Wonderful! I don't know why this video doesn't get more views because it's not just for firefighters. Anyone who works in or around a metalworking shop needs to know that magnesium and similar combustible metal fires are very different from most other fires which can safely be handled by your typical ABC fire extinguisher when in it's incipient stage. Although most people in general will never encounter a fire emergency involving burning metals knowing the do's & don't's in the event you're faced with one can save lives and keep injuries and property damage to a minimum. We cannot always prevent emergencies or know when and where they will occur, so it's very important we have an up to date emergency action plan and periodic drills are an important element in our preparedness.
@@MattDavis5 they are available mostly used in places like server rooms, they come with there own set of challenges/problems. they arent very practical out in the open like where you would find a burning car. i personally had the thought that if mag fires in cars became a big problem having a mobile fold out room that could be pumped full of argon would be the way to go.
Yeah cool. I haven’t seen an argon gas deluge system before. I’ve seen a bunch of co2 and halon gas but not an argon. But it makes sense 😀 As for cars the problem has been dealt with by car manufacturers. These days they really only make small components with magnesium. But in some older cars (some old VW’s) had entire engine blocks of magnesium.. crazy stuff! Thankfully not much of around these days 👍🏽
@@MattDavis5 engines made of mag...dang I would like to see something bigger than a few grams burn. I have only heard of mag wheels being used in any abundance. I know that it's been largely abandoned in the auto world(for good reason). Now we have an entirely new beast to which I can only think of one way to put out. Argon gas wont take care of it either. Only thing i can think of is an even harder way to put out a nasty fire....ev battery packs. Any guesses on the best way to stop one(without just letting it run its coarse) cuz I only have one idea that I can think of.
Same deal don't water spray it. Pretty sure co2 will behave the same...nitrogen / argon air displacement are kinda your only bet. Not sure which version of phosphorus you're talking about but water will put out white phosphorus, it will just reignite if you let it reach air after.
Why a manufacturer would design a combustion engine vehicle powered by highly flamable fuel with magnesium parts and sell it to busy people who are known to be in a rush all the time and crash vehicles quite often to save time, even resulting in fires occasionally... is beyond me, but honestly can you blame them for making sure the vehicle is half melted and unusable after a good crash. I mean, you just sell more vehicles if the expensive and hard to make engine is partially melted by a magnesium fire once a glowing hot surface or spark ignites leaking hydraulic fluid and fuel in the event of a catastrophic collision. Leave as little salvagable as possible right, just make it so flamable that once it starts to burn it burns so hot that the introduction of water or CO2 which are commonly used to extinguish fires causes a more powerful and unpredictable exothermic reaction.
Never knew this, thanks Matt!
Wonderful! I don't know why this video doesn't get more views because it's not just for firefighters. Anyone who works in or around a metalworking shop needs to know that magnesium and similar combustible metal fires are very different from most other fires which can safely be handled by your typical ABC fire extinguisher when in it's incipient stage. Although most people in general will never encounter a fire emergency involving burning metals knowing the do's & don't's in the event you're faced with one can save lives and keep injuries and property damage to a minimum. We cannot always prevent emergencies or know when and where they will occur, so it's very important we have an up to date emergency action plan and periodic drills are an important element in our preparedness.
You make some great points there!! I hadn't even considered how metal workers etc might find this useful!
great series
Thanks Adam 👍🏼
Why does this video not have more views?
I guess it's appeal is a bit limited 🙂🤷♂️
how do i turn off the fire?
Would liquid nitrogen work for putting out a magnesium fire or would it not transfer enough heat away
Magnesium burns in nitrogen gas, and CO2, from the videos I just watched.
I think the problem is getting and transporting enough of it in time.
It would "slow" it down(unless you got it cold enough quick enough to kill it) but mag will form mag nitride.
argon. not practical but it will put out a mag fire.
Great point, I hadn’t thought of argon! (had my head stuck in thinking of what is available on the fire ground). 👍🏽
@@MattDavis5 they are available mostly used in places like server rooms, they come with there own set of challenges/problems. they arent very practical out in the open like where you would find a burning car. i personally had the thought that if mag fires in cars became a big problem having a mobile fold out room that could be pumped full of argon would be the way to go.
Yeah cool. I haven’t seen an argon gas deluge system before. I’ve seen a bunch of co2 and halon gas but not an argon. But it makes sense 😀 As for cars the problem has been dealt with by car manufacturers. These days they really only make small components with magnesium. But in some older cars (some old VW’s) had entire engine blocks of magnesium.. crazy stuff! Thankfully not much of around these days 👍🏽
@@MattDavis5 engines made of mag...dang I would like to see something bigger than a few grams burn. I have only heard of mag wheels being used in any abundance. I know that it's been largely abandoned in the auto world(for good reason). Now we have an entirely new beast to which I can only think of one way to put out. Argon gas wont take care of it either. Only thing i can think of is an even harder way to put out a nasty fire....ev battery packs. Any guesses on the best way to stop one(without just letting it run its coarse) cuz I only have one idea that I can think of.
What about stopping the fire from Phosphorus?
Same deal don't water spray it. Pretty sure co2 will behave the same...nitrogen / argon air displacement are kinda your only bet. Not sure which version of phosphorus you're talking about but water will put out white phosphorus, it will just reignite if you let it reach air after.
Yet another complication for fire fighters . .
Why a manufacturer would design a combustion engine vehicle powered by highly flamable fuel with magnesium parts and sell it to busy people who are known to be in a rush all the time and crash vehicles quite often to save time, even resulting in fires occasionally... is beyond me, but honestly can you blame them for making sure the vehicle is half melted and unusable after a good crash. I mean, you just sell more vehicles if the expensive and hard to make engine is partially melted by a magnesium fire once a glowing hot surface or spark ignites leaking hydraulic fluid and fuel in the event of a catastrophic collision. Leave as little salvagable as possible right, just make it so flamable that once it starts to burn it burns so hot that the introduction of water or CO2 which are commonly used to extinguish fires causes a more powerful and unpredictable exothermic reaction.