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Dr. Steve Tsoukalas here discusses and appraises the Word of Faith movement from a biblical and theological perspective.
I nearly cried with joy after finding this video after a long 9-month journey of confusion over the Word of Faith movement. I am not here to cut down anyone but proclaim the gift of salvation found in Jesus, not in words I may use. Thank you!
Becky Capps, i am with you; it is Jesus alone. I have always suspected that the "word of faith" teachers were false; their gospel is what God can do for you, not what you can do for God or your neighbor!
@@Mary-re7gd. Do you really think WOF teaches to hate one's neighbor? This is not the love of Christ, not in practice, or your statement.
You’re not the only one who was confused about WOF movement. My discernment told me something was wrong , so glad I found something that out a finger on it.
“Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." - Jesus, Mark 11:23-24
@@booboobear1701 notice how Jesus didn't specify "when" and "where" you will receive the things you prayed for? the problem with these WoF fanatics is that they think they can get anything they want as long as they pray for it here on earth while they're still alive completely disregarding the fact that God's will trumps everything regardless of how much faith they think they have.
No, no......We are NOT GOD. We are His creation
When I was young God told me "Have Nothing To Do With Movements!" At that time I didn't even know of any movements or what they were, but then along came (WOF) Word Of Faith and (NAR) New Apostolic Reformation, just to name a couple! Trust in God and Love Him with all that you are and He will guide your footsteps!
faith is a supernatural substance found within the word and generated within the heart of the believer as the word of God is injested by our spirit.
Faith is not evil. There’s nothing wrong with speaking God’s Word
When your faith is a force and not in Christ, it is faith that deceives people. Word of faith makes man the God and in control.
@@calvinpeterson9581 I take it you're calvinist? If you're not, then you believe that we are saved by faith. Does that mean that we are Gods because we activate our salvation by believing the word of God along those lines?
@@JewandGreek
Not a Calvinist, rather an Arminian.
Faith comes from God, but it is also a human choice. But faith is not something we have to control God or use as a display for "having greater faith". Rather it is a trust in God and a faithfulness to him.
@@calvinpeterson9581 I give unto you all power over the enemy. We operate and SPEAK in faith using the delegated authority given to us by Christ by His name.
This is the most succinct description of the word of faith movement I've heard so far, and just think; in seven minutes.
AMEN AND HALLELUJAH. FOR A MINUTE I THOUGHT I WAS FIGHTING THE WORLD WITH REGARD TO THE WOF MOVEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE THE MINORITY.
WHEN I SAW THAT VIDEO OF KC BEING WORTH ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS I REMEMBERED CLEARLY...Lucifer to Jesus, " if you bow down and worship me, I will give you all of this and more."
Jesus. "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and Him A L O N E shalt thy worship."
The Object of Faith is Not a Force
A true believer in God should rest his faith on the Word of God. The object of faith is the Word of God, where Christ is found. Our faith rests on Christ of the Word because the authority of God Himself is speaking. But the principal acts of saving faith are accepting, receiving, and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life by virtue of the covenant of Grace."
Come, Yeshua. We have mess hear on plane earth!!!
I wish I heard this truth years ago nevertheless I'm grateful for the truth being reveled today and I pray that people wake up from this madness. People do not read the bible to get full understand of GOD, Jesus, and the Holy spirit they trust what is told to them.
Thank you for the post. So many wounded believers need the hope that the truth brings!
I'm glad we have folks out there exposing this WOF.
God is the "Potter" and we are the "clay." God is the Creator and we are the created. We need to put our faith in God instead of having faith in our faith.
Politically Incorrect Say god is the potter and we are the clay and to say I’m glad people left the word of faith movement is not a good judge mental it’s almost saying that you know better than God how are you people and you probably believe God punishes people for doing wrong
I go to a Church that someone might think was WOF. They had the only Children's Ministry that could deal with my son, who was extremely hyper-active. They always had good WORDS to say when I picked him up, rather than to discourage me with a terrible report.
God says, cast out devils, heal the sick, raise the dead, freely you have received, freely give.
This is a great word of TRUTH. I have seen myself how people in WOF are taught to believe in themselves and not God. Their "faith" is perverted into whatever they desire or think is right, not the almighty, omniscient and eternal will of God. That is exactly what God led me to understand before coming here. I was caught up in WOF for years because I wanted to be, but it just never fit with the entire context of the Bible and the Gospel. God help us have discernment to know the TRUTH. Those who are blind will not see but God will deliver all who come to Him in humility seeking this truth. RE: those who are in error, I avoid them. I do not publicly rebuke or engage them. I pray for them to find the truth of God's Word and the Gospel of Christ as their focus.
“Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." - Jesus, Mark 11:23-24
What if prayers / declarations for healings never answered ?
@@sparkey8065 , I didn't write this - God did. If you trust him, then believe. But with this promise you often have to press in for it. Claim it, believe that God doesn't lie, and build your faith by reading scriptures. I found a book by Chris Gore, “Walking in Supernatural Healing Power,” to be very helpful:
www.christianbook.com/walking-in-supernatural-healing-power/chris-gore/9780768442427/pd/442427
Here are some of my favorite scriptures for healing:
“By whose stripes you were healed”
- 1 Peter 2:24
“Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits; who forgives ALL your iniquities, who heals ALL your diseases.”
- Psalm 103:2-3
“I will give you back your health and heal your wounds and chronic ailments, says the Lord.”
- Jeremiah 30:17
“I am the Lord who heals you”
- Exodus 15:26
“He will rescue you from every trap and protect you from deadly disease”
- Psalm 91:3
“He sent his word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions”
- Psalm 107:20
Rom 8:11
Rom 8:3
Psalm 107:19-20
John 10:10
Here's a larger list from Joseph Prince:
www.josephprince.org/blog/gods-promises#collapse2
I read those scriptures thank you. What do you say to someone who had tons of faith for loved one to get healed but that person died ??
@@sparkey8065 , some things are mysteries. We don't know why things don't always happen as they should, but we should trust God in those difficult and confusing situations. In the situation you mentioned, perhaps someone needed to pray to raise that person from the dead, but nobody prayed. Many people have been raised from the dead by prayer, but here in the West, few Christians ever pray for that. Maybe we need to learn the power we can have in Christ.
@@booboobear1701 Any faith we receive is GIVEN and is a gift of God. We can not turn it on and off like a switch. That is referring to the rhema word of God that is given by God for a special time and situation. When it is HIS word, yes, it will always happen and the mountain will be cast into the sea. When it is our flesh calling out things, it will not not.
Crystal clear, succinct, and thankfully
understood. I am here because the Lord had a message He wanted me to know and understand. Thanks 2 the messenger today.
Thanks for posting this video. 7 years later and it still helped clarify what the WOF movement is and what it is not.
Nope, it does not and has not done that. Lies
Thank you Dr. Steve for proclaiming truth! i needed this clear word! It has set this captive free!
Thank you so much for making this video. I have been confronted in the church I'm going to and a group I am helping to facilitate, with Word of Faith, Copeland, Dollar, TD, etc. people and I am working at educating the 'new babes' so that they do not get caught up in these false information people that truly are charlatans and blasphemous people leading them into more bondage with 'religion' of men. Thanks for this concise, condensed video I can share.
AMEN -TRUTH !
God's Word is Truth!
It would be good to hear the things that you love about them rather than an angry rant about how wrong they are. It sounds like everything you believe is 100% correct. I think we all should meditate on John 17 and the prayer of Jesus in that chapter.
Thank you for this...I've always shied away from the Word of Faith clan and now I know why..the Lord was keeping me safe from it's heresy !! halleluyah !
Word Faith is so slick and deceiving, they mix part truth with part lies and when they do that, you don't notice the deception as much. They try to take away the deity of Christ and put man on the throne. Disgusting.
I've heard there is abuse in the "cult" too
Lorna Wynn, yes. Spiritual, emotional, and financial.
I have been in WOF churches for 20 years, and have never heard that man equals God. Trusting in God to honor His word because He promised to do so is the basis of the difference between what I believe and what I see others believe.
Wilson If you want I can share you quotes from at least five leaders in the movement who indicate this equality. It’s not something they often say from the pulpit, because discerning believers would have a problem with it. But there is much to be said about looking in context about those “promises” you’re trying to make God honor, and what it is in context, who it is to, and when it is intended for. Let me know if you would like quotes or just wanted to comment.
@@ruthvansandt9713 when they say little gods what they are stating is that when we speak under the authority and anointing of the word of God, God's will is being expressed. God said to moses that He was going to make moses a god unto pharoah, that that moses was a god, but that the power of God working through moses would express the power, will, and authority of God.
Excellent content!
Hi Seedbed, thank you for this 7 minutes of insightful word. I recently came out from the "word faith prosperity gospel" here in Kenya East Africa.
I have a question. I'd learned that "man is a spirit who has a soul and who lives in a body." From your teaching, I have seen why the "word of faith" teach that erronious doctrine and definition of man, I was wondering whether you'd mind helping me understand what a man is if he is not a spirit who has a soul that lives in a body.
Thank you very much for sharing your light with us.
The Church has debated for 2 millenial its definition of a mortal's composition.
Some also would say that the body and soul are connected (those who believe in soul sleep).
But yes, a lot believe in the distinction/separation of the two.
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
tell me is this not true?
Steven James context , if ppl would context we would all be better off!!!
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Note the next line ....what the word of faith is .......is the confession that Jesus is lord and belief he was raised which leads to salvation)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.!!!!
Romans 10:8-10 - www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans%2010:8-10&version=KJV
Steven James: It sounds good to me! Also my friend Paul was born-again in my Church which somebody might say was WOF. I just consider myself a born-again Christian, who is trying hard to follow Jesus. I don't believe He was born-again in Hell. He is God Almighty. God doesn't need to be born-again!
@@jjzmurphy Exactly!
@@caroleiimani8754 Paul was the furthest thing from wof. He once preached the gospel to the Galations because of an illness. He did not confess willy nilly; he was totally dependent on the Holy Spirit, not his "godhood". He confessed very negatively in 2 Cor. 11: 25-28: "Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; 26 on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers; 27 in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. 28 And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches. He also said he was the "scum of the earth". Paul would not be allowed in wof circles. Too honest.
Come out... come out from among them.
Please share this.
Searching for answers. Are we not created in His image and in His likeness? God did give us Dominion to rule and reign on this earth? To me somewhere in the middle is the Truth.
I came out of this movement from the pit of hell. So much deceit, lies, manipulation. Thank you for this video.
I am ...GOD....and there is not one like me
I have found it very alarming to hear people who embrace the teaching of these men pray. They may coin these phrases, "I know that I know because my faith tells me so." or "I have prayed the Prayer of Faith; Because I have faith in God and His Word He is obligated to act." They seem to think/act as though the Holy Spirit is as Thor's hammer; That the Third Person of the God head can be sent out/return as they beckon. Thank-you for posting.
Jeanette Hall why did God say in Isaiah 45:11 command ye me why does he say in Matthew 11: 23-25 speak to the mountain and it will be moved from you why did Jesus speak to the fig tree and tell her that no man would eat fruit from him ever again and it dried up because he was giving his disciples an example of what they were supposed to do there were people in the Bible where their words were like weapons like 
Well explained
I agree with 99% of what this manner said but do have one question. If Jesus was born from Mary and then later born from the dead was he not bodily born again? There was a day when Jesus was born from Mary but there was a day when Jesus was begotten of God, claimed by the writer of Acts that it was the day he was raised from the dead, cross-referencing psalm 2. I would like some clarity on this thank you so much.
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The sad thing about this is that they are EXPORTING these teachings to the rest of the world 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Galations 5:22 The fruits of the spirit-love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Stop hitting God's children, you are out of control.
Did Jesus not love His followers because He told them the truth?
I wish this video was a tad bit more impartial, a bit more objective.
I was raised in this, and I left it when I was 17, I guess my family knows I don’t believe in a lot of the theology anymore, but I wouldn’t tell them that.
I just hope people find freedom and peace wherever they are at.
I was very blessed to have seen this video. But could you please point me towards videos that detail what exactly is Faith and Healing according to the Bible. Thanks and God bless
Rick Renner Videos
Psalm 103:3 Psalm 115:3
It's believing healing is real and for you like the Bible says...
Thank you for this video. Thanks to the Coronavirus pandemic, God laid it on my heart to make a permanent exit from the Word of Faith movement. We live in San Antonio, TX and churches now have had a partial reopening and I’m going to a new church, one that teaches the Bible.
Edward: Are you saying that Word of Faith Churches don't teach the Bible?? I guess it depends on the Church!!!
This is a pretty sloppy piece of apologetics. He takes issue with the "gnostic notion" that the real you is the spirit. Nonsense. Christian theologians have debated this issue for centuries, and even Billy Graham acknowledges this. billygraham.org/answer/do-we-have-both-a-soul-and-a-spirit/ Why do people insist on throwing out the word "gnostic" when it doesn't apply? All you have to do is read the Wikipedia article on Gnosticism to see that it bears no resemblance to Word of Faith theology.
Dr. Tsoukalas then misrepresents what Kenneth Hagin was saying when he said that the believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth. He wasn't deifying man. He was referring to the fact that God the Holy Spirit comes to live in human flesh when one is born again. That's orthodox Christian theology. The word "incarnation" means "in the flesh", and in theological terms it's referring to God in the flesh. Jesus was God in the flesh in his identity, but when the Holy Spirit comes to live in the believer it is "an incarnation". In the 19th century many ministers referred to the born again experience as an incarnation as a way of emphasizing the reality of the indwelling of the Spirit. In his early years of ministry Kenneth Hagin was influenced by the writings of many of these men and those who followed them.
He then ends up quoting a lot of Kenneth Copeland statements that I won't defend, but Kenneth Copeland wasn't the leader of the Word of Faith movement. Kenneth Hagin was, and he didn't agree with many of the things that Kenneth Copeland taught. After building a straw man based on what Copeland has said he concludes that the WoF movement isn't biblical. It seems to me that if you want to know what a movement teaches you should take what the leader of the movement teaches rather than piecing together a non-existent homogeneous belief system based largely on things that the leader of the movement doesn't believe.
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What @The Objective Believer said. Those thinking they are correcting deception don't have the facts straight or their full research done and, well... they perpetuate a deception.
I am no scholar but at one time a booklet of Kenneth Hagin came in my hands not Copeland ok Hagin and I remember his words very clearly as if I read them yesterday. He said jesus Christ was the first person to be born again. Now this is pure blasphemy because Jesus did not have to be born again. Jesus never sinned , not once but Kenneth Hagin made him a sinner.
Taking our sins on the cross is no excuse to claim that he was born again. Words can be very deceiving as is in this case.
@@lizcutajar9352 Jesus Christ is always eternal deity which is the opposite of finite flesh needing John 3:7.
@@lizcutajar9352 Yes it is pure blasphemy. You're absolutely correct. It was in his book that we are as much an incarnation of God as Jesus Christ.
The very thing the word of faith is contrary is covenism and traditional protestant religious blinded view. There are tons of scriptural verses telling us that our beliefs and WORDS (tongue) indeed make a difference in the mental and spiritual realms.
Yep
Dr. Steve - I'm a Presenter on a UK Christian radio show, with 105 countries reached every day. My concern is that the management has now joined charitable status with Acorn International Ministries, who are under the auspices of 'Word of Faith'. Now in the last 3 months, I've not discerned anything concerning the 'prosperity gospel'... should I nevertheless still be concerned about this association? The people in authority are Steve & Ann Laidlow. Do you have any particular information on 'Acorn International Ministries'? The station has recently added the awful Joyce Meyer to a list of our recorded shows, which does worry me immensely.
Hi, 2yrs later.. I have found too in my city and country these heretical preachers purvey their gunk on "Christian" radio and television stations enmasse. The average (non descerning / new / babe) believer does not have a clue of the heresies they are sucked into. And long before they know, their foundation is ruined. Manny of these preachers call on the listeners to make/repeat some confessions and decrees and much of those utterances render the listener and enemy of God!
Excellent summary. Re: Christianity in Crisis, by Hank Hanegraaff. If you know of Steve, he has a long history teaching about cults, exposing their error, and serving Christ and His Church faithfully. I remember him when he was at Gordon-Conwell and appreciated his classwork, "field trips" and impact. Now, 20+ years later, living in an area saturated with Word of Life influences, I am happy to see Steve has already been here exposing the error. I hope he has some written material on it!
In the last days people will gather around them teachers to teach what their itching ears want to hear.... and deceive even the elect if that were possible....
He ismy teacher in Haiti. Emmaus Biblical seminary of Haiti. he teaches very well the word of God
Hank Hanegraff used to say He was the "Bible Answer Man." Who died and made him King?
Who started "Jesus died spiritually " beliefs that Joyce Meyers , Hagin, and others teach ??
You're pointing out a criticism of the Word of Faith teaching that asserts faith is a substance. However, it's worth noting that Hebrews 11:1 does indeed use the term "substance" in relation to faith. It's important to clarify that the criticism might stem from a misunderstanding of Word of Faith doctrine. In this belief system, faith is seen as the means by which individuals receive what God has already promised or purchased through His sacrifice.
While you've mentioned various criticisms, it's important to engage in a scriptural debate to understand the basis of these beliefs. Every ministry may have some teachings that are open to interpretation or critique. However, it's essential to avoid labeling fellow believers as heretics without due consideration, a stance you have not taken.
What is your take on Mark 11:22 through 11:24
After 2 years without an answer, I will myself reply, and to whomever.
Any doctrine (a word I despised when held captive in the WoF -- as i also did the word "denomination") is not to be based on one Scripture.
Do you give everything that is asked of you to whomever asks, as the Word commands?If so, and if you own a house, car, and have any savings, please give them to me. Mt.5:42 commands it. Get it?
Doctrines are correctly obtained by assembling all the Scriptures on the subject, then taking into account the audience it was spoken or written to, the culture at the time, the overall natures of both God and man, whether something was implied literal or instead hyperbolic or a parable, experiences....
Generally speaking, when we isolate a Scripture and use it as a basis for one of our personally believed upon doctrines/beliefs, it is the enemy of our souls continuing his veil building over our heart.
One question... so whant do you say...you yourself? Why should i listen to you? what is your own message (sorry i'm french speacker)
You tell me what in this round world is here to have Faith in? Except faith?
Faith in God
Jeremiah 51:30
The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.
Zechariah 4:6
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
This message is unlocking God's truth and a light in this dark world.
Jesus Christ, our savior and Redeemer.
He's taking Kenneth Hagin out of context. He was quoting E. W. Kenyon regarding the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. In Kenyon's day it was common to refer to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as an incarnation, which means "God in the flesh". This doesn't mean that we're as much God as Jesus. It means that it's just as true that God the Holy Spirit lives in us as it is that God became a man in the person of Jesus. Also, Gnosticism's error wasn't in the belief that man is a spirit. Their error was in promoting the dualistic view of spirit as good and matter as evil, and the only way to escape the evil physical universe and return to the realm of pure spirit where the unknowable god dwells was through the secret knowledge of the Gnostic teachers. There's absolutely no similarity here with WoF. This is the logical fallacy of guilt-by-association.
@@sheroyal9326 No heresy. WoF holds to all of the essential doctrines of the faith.
Hagin regularly plagiarized Kenyon!
@@JewandGreekit absolutely does not!!! Can you create a tree with your words? Can you create the heavens and the earth with your words? No you can not! Are you Jesus? This is blasphemy!!!
From what it sounds like, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, Word of Faith is the exact opposite of Reformed theology. Whereas Reformers rest on the sovereignty of God and there being major borders on whether or not man has true free will, Word of Faith seems to say, we are the sovereign ones and God has bound to do what we say.
Word of Faith people do not believe that they are sovereign. They believe that God is Sovereign but they see different implications to God's sovereignty from the reformed crowd. Just as we're saved by faith upon hearing the word of God, we are healed by believing the word of God regarding healing. That doesn't mean that we're sovereign in healing any more than we're Sovereign in Salvation., Reformed people believe God is Sovereign in Salvation in the sense of predestination.
God isn't bound by what we say.. Hes a doer of what he promises... Reformed theology is dead and cultic. And no WOF people don't believe they are sovereign..cessationism which is what reformed theology is all about is false doctrine of demons
I love how you explained this ! Ty
Great teaching
Having trouble getting my page off the ground. Would you view. I’ll submit to your honest critique.
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My mother is lost. She once was a true believer, but fell into this trap of word faith, and the prosperity gospel. She watches Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Joseph Prince, Joyce Meyer and has their books. Many times I tried to talk to her, I sent her videos, she won't watch them. She think I'm aligned with the devil. What do I do? How do I reach her?
Simply exercise TRUE Faith, asking, and then reminding as the S(s)pirit leads, God that you are trusting His perfect will to be manifested in your mom's heart and mind. 1Jn.5:14-16
@@brotherjim5904 Amen. Thank you. I just wonder if that's enough..
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Then you need to take the next step, applying Proverbs 3:5-6. Whenever your mom's salvation/Christian walk comes to mind, you tell the Father you're trusting Him that if there's anything additional you can and should do, He will guide you accordingly, and thank Him.
"The just shall live by Faith."
[Oftentimes the Lord will wait until we've "given up" (with our own efforts) before He moves, mostly so that we cannot justifiably steal His glory. His name is Jealous.]
Woah. Your right. There is an occult teaching Law of Attraction.
Hmmm
Thank you!!!! God keep you!
Seefbed, Of cause the TRUE Word of Faith teachings are Biblical, As anyone who knows the Bible will know.
The trouble is, to many Christians don't know the Bible.
Well, the idea of speaking things into existence is all through the Bible. Before we attack someones belief we should examine the scriptures they use and why they use them
Amen
Wow i didnt know that. “Force of Faith”?!?! Sounds like New Age “The Secret” or “Laws of Attractionl
How interesting: I was sure my New Testament read, "Whatsoever things you desire, when you pray, believe..." Does His New Testament read differently?
LyleE Cooper way to go taking bible verses out of context. How about I desire someone else’s husband or to be someone else’s object of worship and see if God answers that.
We are supposed to grow and mature in the Lord. Also the Bible says, "Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom and with all your getting, get understanding." If we are continually seeking God's wisdom, we should eventually get to the point where our prayers will please God and we will not be desiring carnal stuff, like somebody else's husband. Give me a break!!
word of faith has conned many well meaning christians
Many well meaning Christians have been conned by the devil not to have faith in the Word. That doesn't mean that the WOF is wrong. It may mean that they are right.
@@nunya9555 I never try to get anyone to agree or say I m right and all are wrong about anything but I have asked this many times.....They say that there are between 500 to 700 million Pentecostal/Charismatics in the world and is still growing faster that any other part of the Christian faith.....so lets say that for round numbers 1 million somehow got into the wrong group and was misled in someway to cause them doubt or got discouraged in some way... and that should not have happened ..!!!! But my question is what about us 499 to 699 million that have never been deceived ... duped .. misled ...tricked.. stolen from or any of the other things that is always talked about....What about the Happy from the start like me 45 years ago and still Happy and blessed to this day....We dont get interviewed or any attention its always the negative stories....I as others have had things that happened in my life that I wish had not but it wasnt because of WOF teaching it was usually my own dumb choices or mistakes....As Christians we cant lose for winning...We win either way.. AMEN AWESOME...Lets all get back to LOVE and to the unity of the Faith..!!!! LOVE TO ALL LOVE LORD JESUS..!!!!!
Dr. Tsoukalas, please consider making a video on the Prosperity Gospel. I know Seedbed has one, but it is lacking (understated, meandering) in addressing this error that has a global impact.
Not trying to be mean, but to put forth a critique of the Word of Faith Movement in 7 minutes is just this side of ludicrous. I am not a WOF person, but grew up in and around it since 1975. I was part of the Way Ministry cult of V.P. Wierwille in 76 and 77 (ironically, his mantra was “The truth of the Bible fits like a hand in a glove!) for 2 years, and was mercifully delivered to cycle through nearly every major Pentecostal and charismatic denomination as well as 9 non-denominational church communities. What I have learned is this: There has been a restorational movement of the Holy Spirit working deliberately since M. Luther’s 95 critiques of the R.C. Church (1517), progressively restoring truth and practice to the church for 500 years. This is a fact of church history. There have been numerous waves of the Holy Spirit’s working among humanity, restoring the understanding of holiness, divine inspiration of scripture, the gift ministries, the 5-fold ministry, church leadership, (emerging now is a return to doing church according to 1 Cor. 12 and 14) and on and on. In each “movement” there has been truth revealed. But, humans being humans, we go off to pendulum swings and emphasize things that God isn’t emphasizing, and even teaching things that God hasn’t spoken and unfortunately we often only discover this with hindsight. There are truths that God has spoken, clearly indicated by Scripture enclosed within the WOF movement and to deny that (or claim that the best lie has the most truth) is equivalent to being a novice in the exegesis of the Scripture. The knee-jerk reaction, when finding that something being taught in one of these “movements” (such as the holiness, charismatic, Pentecostal) is not scriptural, is to just chuck the whole thing…throw the baby out with the bath water. I believe this is a direct result of not understanding that everything must be built upon the revelation of Christ as the foundation of all spiritual understanding, and the depth and breadth and power of a person’s ministry depends upon that person’s clarity of who Christ is, who and what the corporate Body of Christ is, and the degree to which they have actually submitted their lives, body, soul, and spirit to God and have been transformed in the “spirit of your mind” that a person may “prove” what the true will of God is. The Christ is a spiritual reality that can only be understood by the spirit. The carnal mind will get it wrong every single time: Rom 8:7 “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” This is why there are umpteen denominations out there today. I think it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest that you can take the WOF movement and make a case for its being completely bankrupt of truth. First of all, you’d have to go back to E.W. Kenyon and study his writings and his ministry in general to understand how the WOFaithers went off the rails. You make a number of points in your rejection of WOF that are fundamental to the scriptural revelation of the new birth and the restoration of the individual to the conscious experience of Christ. All human life originates in God. He didn’t make humanity out of nothing, He created the human being from His own being, literally breathed His life into Adam. If there is something about that life that is not an intrinsic component of God, somehow lesser than God in kind and quality (not speaking of God’s omni-attributes here) than you would have a real hard time trying to explain it, just on the basis of logic, for instance. Yet, that R.C. religious spirit jumps right on that and immediately says, “Oh my god, you are saying that you are God!!! This is the carnal mind’s response to a clearly revealed purpose of the Father in the restoration of humanity ("For me to live is Christ" and "It is no longer I that live" etc.). This is probably why It's been rarely heard in my experience in the last 40 years any preaching on the 17th chapter of John where he speaks of the seamless oneness that the Father is creating between His offspring and Himself. In any event, I’ve tried to make brief case for this: A 7 - minute rejection of the WOF movement is absurd. It is a very novice and likely naïve approach to understanding an authentic restorative intervention of the Father into the 20th century church; and finally, a major reason for error in nearly the whole scope of human learning, whether political, social, religious, etc., is not knowing history, in this case, the history of the church.
the economy of the church is founded on faith. you cannot experience salvation, healing, or deliverance without it.
faith in what? God's word.
"Word of Faith" preachers include Joel and Victoria Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, the late Robert Schuller, T. D. Jakes, Leroy Thompson, Marilyn Hickey, Christine Caine, John Avanzini, Paula White, Todd Bentley, Rick Warren, Creflo Dollar, Brian Houston, the late Paul and Jan Crouch, Robert Morris, Casey Treat, Steven Furtick, Joseph Prince (birth name Xenonamandar Jegahusiee Singh), the late Kenneth Hagin, Andrew Wommack, Rick Joyner, the late Myles Munroe, Bill Winston, Reinhard Bonnke, Rod Parsley, Perry Stone, Kerry Shook, John Crowder, Morris Cerullo and others. Plus we must bear in mind the shamed "pastors" such as Jim Bakker, Peter Popoff, Robert Tilton, Ted Haggard, Earl Paulk, Eddie Long and Jimmy Swaggart.
Thanks for including Andrew Womack, I have friends that have been wholly absorbed by his teaching.
Spaseebo no wonder the western church is so apostate!!!
Jimmy Swaggart is not a word of faith preacher
Reinhard Bonnke is not word of faith. Please put some respect on his name, through him 75 million people were saved. That’s more than any man alive! He is up there if not beyond Graham.
Reinhard Bonkke is not WOF. Actually your list is garbage. Lazy.
it would be nice if you cited those quotes that you mention. I appreciate your focus in bringing false teaching into lies but unless you can quote where and when these preachers said these things are allow for your listeners to check then what you are saying falls under the same category of hearsay and its deceptive too. Just my thoughts
Genesis one and God said hebrews 11 faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things unseenAnd chemical but never said faith was a tangible cosmic force
Copeland met with the Pope so come out from the speak it into exsistence
Lets take a look at evangelical culture and remind ourselves why the response to WOF churches is often so severe....1). Evangelical is TRUTH based. This means the priority of FAITH is culturally secondary. 2) Evangelicalism is positioned firmly to regard truth as objectivity in black and white, written Word. This means any acknowledgement that the Spirit of truth speaks verbally to a productive end is naturally considered a subjective exercise in positional conflict. 3) Evangelical theology, with its pervasive reformed influence, emphasizes the incapacity of humanity. Any suggestion of human capacity elevated beyond their cultural norms brings a tension many evangelicals find intolerable. 4) Evangelical theology does not place importance on the supernatural gifts. It is inherently unfriendly to any theology placing continuation of supernatural gifts as a priority in church life. 5) Evangelical theology stresses the sinful state of fallen humanity much more than the new creation of saved humanity. It therefore reacts violently when a church balances their theology toward the new creation. 6) Evangelicalism is averse to the inclusion of finances as a spiritual manifestation of divine blessing. Any priority of prosperity is therefore suspect by default. 7) Evangelicalism is gnostic in the sense of its priority to separate body and spirit. It therefore recoils at the idea that salvation of the body is intertwined with healing and salvation of the soul.
Really spot on. It’s nice to see someone cut through the crap evangelicals try to use to undercut anything that is alternative to established doctrine and dogma.
Let’s also not forget the fetishization of the passion, rather than placing an emphasis on what His resurrection actually means for those who follow him.
My wife and I came out of this I went through bible school Rhema teaching . I could spend hours talking about this .This teaching is extremely wrong it gives false hope .I was taught we are little gods. Please do not listen to Word of Faith which is TBN and most all of the t.v shows. We were in this for 12 yrs The Lord pulled us out through a series of events which was intentional by God. There is so much to this that I could write about .From speaking things into existence to commanding angels. Our lives were destroyed for many years which led to my wife and I separating.But the Lord had different plans for us my wife and I now are marriage coaches and the Lord is doing great things in our life. We need to focus on Jesus all the time every time let God be God .If any church does not focus on Jesus and salvation you are in the wrong church. Not how much power you have .Any teaching that removes the Deity from Jesus ,the Holy Spirit ,or the Father. Run. from it they are deceivers.
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I came out of it too. I was raised in it actually. My parents brothers and grandparents Still follow Keith Moore’s teachings as well as Copland’s. There’s a part of me that cringes not saying Brother in front of their names. I’m married now and it’s difficult explaining the theology to my husband. My family couldn’t believe I married someone who didn’t know what speaking in tongues is, and in every card I get from them it says somewhere in there “remember His truth”.
My husband is cynical that every teacher in the movement is just out for the tax exempt paycheck. I really don’t think so. I think that there are a lot of well meaning people who chose something better than what they had before. I think God can get to us wherever we’re at. And it sucks that a lot of people elevate these teachers to such a high status in their hearts. I honestly don’t know what people will do when anyone of the teachers die. I hope for the best I hope they find truth. I hope they don’t continue to walk around in fear of saying the wrong thing or being a bad witness like I did for so long.
@@HappinessIsAChoie That's awesome I did security for Keith Moore and many other high profile names. we have been in this for a long time God brought us out in 07 after our marriage of 15 yrs broke apart then we Put Jesus as our focus and God healed our marriage .Now were marriage coaches and God has done great things in our life. The stories I can tell about Word Faith teaching I got my ministers license through Rhema teaching I have had to re learn . I am sorry about the husband part I can say this like I have told others the Lord removed us because of many things He was showing us.And part of our vision that God gave us is to show people that the image of God is badly miss represented I could write pages and pages about what the Lord showed me about money and all the tithing . God does not need money and a true pastor should not be pushing a bucket in peoples faces .I used to watch the reactions of people who don't have anything get condemned because they don't have money and told you don't have money because you don't have faith enough to give money i would watch the humiliation on their faces .This is not what Jesus would say or do. There is so much more that I can talk about . if your husband likes motorcycles I started a TH-cam channel I'm still in the learning part of TH-cam but I will be talking more about our experiences.It's a vlog. I agree with you 100 percent after getting out and reflecting there is allot of Demonic things that went on that was past off as a move of God .God had nothing to do with these events .I have watched peoples lives destroyed because of this teaching our was.God miraculously healed it . I will stop i get fired up sorry .I really want to thank you for sending this message Please stay in touch we love connecting with people like you . Honestly if you would like my wife would love to connect it just helps sometimes to talk . One last thing God has plans for you I'm not trying to give you a generic word from God but not allot of people have listened to God enough to leave this teaching they are wrapped up in it and for you to hear that pushing of God is very powerful and I truly believe that God is bringing out the ones who will listen from all false doctrine and I believe these are the people who will show the true heart of God if you haven't been there you can't help someone else. You understand it.You can tell someone not to step there. It's encouraging for us to hear from people like you. God Bless . Troy.
EagleRider ADV amen !!! This is so true run from WOF NAR heretics while you can!!!
if you like email me showme59146@gmail.com I also went to Rhema in tulsa and God delivered me from the W.O.F and also the N.A.R (New apostolic reformation) heresies. I preached a message a while back entitled Wolves in sheep's clothing and I exposed the error of W.O.F . I currently live in St. louis metro area and work full time and write songs, sing and preach in various churches, etc. The level of deception is frightening on so many levels and a great apostasy is taking place. Many are following a false Christ, and a false God that has been created by a false gospel. May God raise up leaders in this last hour to point people to the True God and Jesus by presenting a sound Biblically based Gospel. (I am very thankful that God delivered from deep deception and The Truth indeed sets us free!)
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In Jesus' name, I rebuke you Satan. Stop and desist from attacking holy men of God. I pray that all Christians will have a direct revelation from God. Let all Christians yield to the Holy Spirit and not rely on our own understanding. Let love abound and unite us all.
Thank u Jesus for setting me free from woF
Daughter, your faith has healed you said Jesus
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’?
Jesus said you will do what he did and even greater.
My little son can enlighten you if you want ?
Same old talking points that don’t necessarily reflect the truth of a lot that is often associated with “Word of Faith”--only a slice for the purpose of creating a narrative.
See my channel for rebuttals.
BE VERY VERY VERY CAREFUL ON HOW YOU APPROACH THIS .
Not saying I fully disagree I'm just saying that this is thin ice to be skating on.
Just realized an interesting connection. Many of our founding fathers in the US were either deist or influenced by deism which was popular at the time which is defined as "one who believes in a Supreme Being who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws and after creation is absent from the world." Sounds like the word of faith movement is similar only it believes that God created the world to run on spiritual natural laws and then does not practice an intervention which is wrong and reflects an impersonal God who doesn't take care of his people. Very much opposed to this view and Jesus shows otherwise by his very existence! Should be Faith in Word (Jesus is the Word made flesh). All glory to God, not man!
Be cautious when preachers and teachers string together Holy Scripture to prove a point or create a doctrine. Study Church history and Christian doctrine. In addition, one cannot separate Hebrews 11:1 from Hebrews 12:1. Faith is an acquisition activator to get what we want, rather trusting in God to fulfill God’s promise and purpose. Thus, the great cloud of witnesses are those who trusted in God to fulfill the Will of God not personal gain.
7 drive-by butchered assumptions in 7 minutes. Oh the satisfaction of reflexive hack jobs.
I dont know anybody or teachers who teach word of faith that disprove,dis-account or deny Jesus and the Resurrection. Adam WAS created in Gods image lol and given dominion. You can not read the bible and deny the power of your words. To deny that is to deny what God has given you.
So if you don't like something on TV, don't watch it! (Duh...). Nobody is holding a gun to your head!
"Christianized magic". It seems obvious, but that's the perfect description.
in the beginning was the Word. gloria is speaking the Word and she is giving glory to God.
I normally like Seedbed stuff, but this is polemic, not analytic, and at points, straight up dishonest. Man is a triune being: body, soul(mind), and spirit. That is not Gnostic, that is Biblical (1 Thes 5:23). Insofar as man has a spirit, he is like God who "is spirit" (John 4:24) (Gen 1:26). If Jesus, while on the cross, took on the sins of the world, which is Christian orthodoxy btw, why is it inaccurate to say he took on the nature of Satan, whom we see throughout the Bible, is identified with sin itself? I cannot vouch for anything Kenneth Copeland says, but it would seem these general ideas are far more scriptural we are lead to believe here.
Man is NOT a Trinity *as* God is.
God is a Trinity,Three PERSONS in one BEING.The Sublime Monotheism,in a Triangle of Supreme Love.
While man is just composed of body,soul/spirit(there is nothing different between a soul and a spirit its just the different word for the same thing) ,and of ,,intelect,,-*Imago Dei*.
Also man is NOT 3 persons,but one.
God is SINGLE and Simple,not made of parts,while man is made of many things,and thus complex.
It is herasy to say that MAN is Trinity ,,just like God is,,
Also man CAN NOT create anything out of nothing.
The spirit is different from the soul. Depth psychologists would say that the mind is the soul, but the spirit is something else, and very scarcely can we actually sense it.
OGAndizzo Hows that?
Whats the difference between a spirit and a soul?
A soul is something you can sense between your mind and emotions. A spirit is seen only by God and other other spirits, and then only as He permits.
Ok listen, Jesus never took on the nature of Satan! Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and for ever! His nature has never changed! He was the perfect lamb of God on the Cross. The perfect sacrifice for sin. He said it is finished while on the Cross before He died. Copeland teaches that He became as Satan and went to the burning side of Hell and was born again in Hell. That's a lie, and blasphemous. Word of Faith is in error for many reasons, one reason is that the object of their Faith is in their confession, the Bible teaches that the object of ones Faith is the Cross of Christ, in fact only Faith in Jesus Christ Crucified will allow the Holy Spirit to work in ones life. If your in the Word of Faith, you'd better run for your life.
I go to a Word of Faith Church. I take some of their stuff with a grain of salt. A Christian has to go to Church somewhere!! There are some things Baptists believe that I don't agree with. We should work out our own salvation with fear and trembling!!!
Yes, but as far as I know Baptist churches do not teach heresy (at least not the major denominations). Wof teaches several heresies. Come out from it, for the sake of your soul and the love of God.
The danger your are in is that by you accepting, agreeing to and confessing those heresies, you too become an enemy of God. Holding to and believing those blasphemies renders you to judgement. That is the danger you pay your tithe, financial seed, first fruit and free offerings to. Have been there... my prayer foe you is that you will read the Bible for yourself and will confess Abba Father as your Father, Jesus as your Captian and The Holy Spirit as your teacher.
@@ianfrancis777they do teach heresy. Calvinism has doctrines that are just plain unbiblical.
@@andreapril6969I don’t think so. Jesus gave the gift of salvation for free. It’s faith alone. Not correct doctrine. What you will find if you actually read the Bible is that false doctrine will be burnt up, but the main himself will escape.
They get the idea of being little Gods from the Scripture in the Old Testament that says, "Ye are gods. (small "g."). They take it out of context. And "gods" does not mean JEHOVAH/Yahweh!!!
It seems the good doctor should try reading the Bible. He quoted many verses directly from scripture in his comparisons, and yet feels it is somehow in error?? How can one have knowledge of these scriptures and still NOT see? Claiming to be wise they have become fools I suppose.....
Your teachings in this video is out of point with the message of salvation. The word of faith simply can not be castigated because of the abuse of some pastors and preachers. jesus came to restore man back to the state he was in before the fall. Why then did Jesus come, why did he offer salvation, was there ever the fall of man? What did jesus come to do? The epistles make it clear about the reason jesus came. Ephesians 1:17 speaks of God's intention before the foundation of the world sir.
My dear brothers and sisters of our lord Jesus Christ. If you are walking and see someone fall do you not run to help? We are human. We are flesh. Since our Father with the word made all that is.. man has been trying to know Him. So here we are 2014 and tell me which GROUP is right? Your is yes? This man here yes? No..
Nothing has changed since Yeshua left. With the 12,120,3000 people then just like now new what was REALLY the truth. What hurts is so many of us talk about a brother in Christ and we know just be looking and reading and watching videos if they are really of God. We don't have to see the heart for we know if TONGUES or healing or your a little god or rapture pre mid or post.. pick one. Just this alone means you are not of God you are of the (forgive me Father) of the devil.
So this man says some word of faith preachers use words to discribe faith is wrong. Yet in the other books other videos when they did preacher it just like its written ..hmm why is you only talk about this and not what they do get right? No wheres your video of how many times you preached wrong got it wrong? I dont care if you confessed your sin and Jesus forgave you and never remembers it..I still do and thats what matters yes? lol do you see?
What because they are in the light (so to speak) all can see where and when they get it wrong. Then they make sure they NEVER forget it. Yet they will never bring up the times they prayed it wrong said it wrong taught it wrong. You are not there masters and they do not ever have to answer to you only Jesus.
To watch and discern is wise. Yet your version of the truth is not what matters to Christ. Jesus said "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me"
Sorry how of the wisest of you offered prayer for them? So let me get this right.. they are falling away or really off (in your view) missing Jesus. Preaching and living worldly ways with riches or something to this effect and your Christ in you says?
Dont talk to me about sin and mistakes. You dont know me. I sin more then most. You watch me you read me and judgment follows. Yet the nights I stay on my knees which is almost every night and cry and weep to change to be like my savior my friend my brother my GOD. To see people like He does. To love the one I hate. I seek to be like Him. I confess I repent. You think in your world I have to confess to you? I have to let you know if I have and when? Sorry whats your job again?
Ask this man ..sorry how many hours days weeks did you spend before the lord on this? How many times did you reach out to this man and others like him? You will not like what you hear.
So, if I have improved symptons after healing prayer and the symptoms vanish, I'd better not discuss it with my doctor because the creator of the Universe has no power when I do that and it unravels a healing. Like God's wringing His hands in the courts of heaven. "Oh if only she didn't say that. Now my work has been destroyed.
James 14-16, Is anyone among you sick? find out when the next healing crusade coes to town. Take them there. Hopefully, the healer will pray over them. And the prayer of the healer will make them well, providing that the sick one has enough faith and has given the minimum amount of funds."
Noooo, this is what it really says. Are we so self-righteous and spiritually arrogant that we actually believe we're running the show?
the REAL James 5:14-16, Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord and the healer. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well."
Thank you Father, that whether we get it "just right" or not, your power is not compromised and YOU get the glory. Not Benny Hinn! I'm really thankful Lord, that you don't do things our way.
I was in terrible back pain. I asked my husband, who was about th say grace to ask God to heal me. My husband simply asked God to heal me. God did and it was instant. God healed without oil or fancy words or spiritual gymnastics. Who are we to even believe that God Almight can't heal without us?
What on earth are you talking about in that first "paragraph". WOF does not teach this. I am happy God healed you, and glad that Faith in Jeaus was involved, along with the Word. Wait, does that mean you are WOF?
God is everywhere and All Powerful in Himself. We shouldn't put Him in a box. I think words can help sometimes. Let us say continually, "Let God be magnified, Who has pleasure in the prosperity of His servant.". (Sorry people.... It's in the Bible)
Seems God lead me away from this movement 10-15 years ago & I'm not even the best of Christians.
God can help you. He said,. Call unto Me and I will show you great and mighty tt no
God can help you. He said,. Call unto Me and I will show you great and mighty things.....(which you know not)
Mark 11:22 - 26 is what it is. Either you believe it or not. Jesus said it.
Taught HOW TO STUDY or WISDOM in Gr. School, H. School, Bible College, or Church ? NO Not till I joined WORD OF FAITH,- age 37 !
( GOD'S BIBLE MYTH BUSTER - Faithfully Teaching the Church , God's Difference between the 2 Religious Ways . ( 1 ) THE WAY that IS RIGHT - versus . ( Number 2 ) the way that SEEMS RIGHT ( but ends in Death ! ) ( PROVERBS 14 verse 12 )
HERE KID , Read these Books , and Remember what they say , could accurately sum up most of " The Instruction " on How to Study , thay I received in Grade , High , Bible College and ( Traditional ) Church . I dare say , this was probably Your experience also .
BUT , WISDOM , REVELATION , FAITH , DIVINE HEALING , HEALTH , PROSPERITY , HOW TO STUDY , ( Etc ) are Only Correctly Taught , as we Personally Study THE SCRIPTURES on each one of these Important Subjects , ( and , plenty of them ! ) I was 37 years old , Before I started to hear any REAL WISDOM , in How to Study these Subjects .
Unfortunately for Many , when we start to hear some of these things , we've had so little experience in HOW TO ( WISELY ) STUDY , that we think " What's This " ? Someone says " It's A Cult " ! and then we say " OH , O.K. " , and Many get Talked Out of Going On , INTO TRULY GODLY WISDOM , because , it is a lot Different , than what we have been used to . So , far too Many, Decide to stay with what we have been used to ( the way that SEEMS RIGHT , ) instead of going with The WAY that IS RIGHT ( The Strictly Scripturally Based WAY ) WORD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN , Celebrating 33 Years of SCRIPTURAL WISDOM , HALLELUJAH !
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Lol if Adam wasn’t subordinate to got then how could god have punished him? That one statement was enough to convince me that Kenny C is full of baloney
Good statement
A Nigerian Lover Built a Resting Palace for his lover Gloria Copeland in Nigeria and Kenneth Copeland and Gloria are very happy about that.!! I forgot the name of that Nigerian Christian Minister.!
Word of Faith doctrine totally destroys any ontic grounding of faith and totally objectifies it as an impersonal entity like the "the Force". Biblical faith is not the manipulation and control of an impersonal force, but it is expressed confidence in the being of God.
There's a lot of straw man fallacy in the man's description of the Word of Faith
Some are so intent on condemning the Word of Faith they failed to grasp or simply quote Romans 10:8-10.
It is the Word Faith which we preach, we confess with our mouth and believe with our heart for salvation. That is how faith works for the believer.As I believe therefore have I spoken said the Psalmist in his affliction vs 116:10.
We have the same spirit of faith, as it is written as I believe therefore have I spoken and as we believe therefore we speak
This revelation was revealed before the new covenant and long bet the Word of Faith Movement.
What if some do not believe? Shall that make the faith of God of no effect. God forbid.
If the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch. The Word of Faith is what we preach.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. How can they believe on him of whom they have not heard, how can they hear without a preacher, how can they preach except they be SENT.
Grace and Peace!
Thank you for explaining it. I listened to a 3 hr. presentation about it. I've been upset about this teaching. I am praying that those involved in this will get out. It is not of God.
Some of the biggest hypocrisy I have seen has to do with people that blast Word of Faith people. 2 weeks ago I was at an event where people started criticizing what they call health and wealth and when these people left they got into their $69,000 pick up trucks and their new Lexus's and other expensive cars.
Did they speak those trucks into existence or have to work to buy them .
@@sparkey8065 Thank you! I was trying desperately to see the correlation. Lol. Of course, there isn’t one.
I think you misrepresent Word of Faith people by lumping them all into all the doctrines that Copeland teaches. I think he (Copeland) has strayed quite a bit from his beginnings and has a lot of incorrect perceptions. I haven't heard a lot of Hagin's teaching, but what I have heard seems correct. Obviously word of faith people will be targets of cessationists, Calvinists and non-charismatic folks, but as a whole their doctrines are pretty orthodox in nature. The little gods teaching has been blown out of proportion but we clearly are partakers of the divine nature and have become one with Father, Son and Spirit. I think it is unwise and unfair to lump everyone who fellowships within certain groups as all believing the same thing. This is true of Arminians, Calvinists, Inclusionists, Word of Faith, Catholics, etc.
If a person goes to hell, it is because they sinned. So what they are saying is that my Savior Jesus Christ sinned!! How dare anyone say that about my Lord!!
GOD'S BIBLE MYTH BUSTER ( Bro Jim, Born Again in 1967 ) Is PROSPERITY unscriptural ? Ninety One Scriptures , in the King James Version , contain the word " Prosper " , and GOD is in Favor of it , according to all these Verses . ALWAYS check Your Concordance , Before condemning Doctrines , that are Scripturally based ! What is the Church's most common " Religious " Error ?
It's Accepting 1 or a few verses of Scripture, then coming to an Unscriptural Conclusion , on various Subjects !
GOD'S WORD , is Correctly Understood , ONLY as we Study the Whole Context of Scriptures , on a Bible Subject . ( At least , 15 or 20 Scriptures, from your Concordance , at each Study ) Many ( perhaps the Majority ! , ) of Professing Christians , make the Mistake of JUMPING TO ( Too Hasty ) Conclusions , which turn out to be WRONG , in the Light of other Scriptures , on the same subject .
Anyone can give You 6 Scriptures " Proving " , that " Prosperity is not Scriptural " . HOWEVER , IF they were to actually Look Up the Scriptures , in the KJV , with the Word PROSPER , they would find a total of NINETY ONE Scriptures , in the Bible ! AND , Conclude ( Correctly , after an Honest , Wise , Diligent Study ) that PROSPERITY , is indeed , Scripturally Based !
Don't Believe it ??? Then go to BIBLE GATEWAY Concordance , and Study all 91 Verses ! Amen .
Frankly , if people Remain Too Lazy to do this , ( like the Cessationist Leaders , ) they may never Know , until Jesus corrects them , at the Judgment .
Please get a copy of the Awesomely Scriptural book , GOD'S PLAN FOR MAN . ( 33 Thousand Scriptures , 75 Thousand hours of Wise ( Strictly Scripturally based ) Bible Study , before Publishing , and 1 Thousand pages , by Finis Dake . )
Mke GOD Proud , and become a Bible Myth Buster for Him , by being filled with His freely offered , ( In Ephesians 1 verses 13 to 20 ) " Spirit of WISDOM and REVELATION " , to become Divinely Equipped , by Godly , Strictly Scripturally based Wisdom , to Truly Rightly Divide God's Bible ! Amen .
Boy, I wish it was that easy! If I could just wave a magic wand and say a few words! I never heard it preached like that in our Church!
@@caroleiimani8754 - I learned , that if I was going to ever advance, from a Good Church , I was going to have to be willing , by God's Grace , to quit looking at the good my local church was doing , and make definate plans, to join a Church , where God's Best , was being Taught , on a regular basis . If you humble yourself , and make this your Prayer , God will lead you , to such a Church . Meanwhile , please check out the Teachings , of 3 of the best Bible Teachers , on You Tube , Finis Dake , Kenneth Hagin, Dr. Mike Murdock . ( You may have heard some " Negative reports " about these men , But , please remember, that " Satan comes as an Angel of light, to Deceive ! Don't let someone else , do your thinking for you , Study God's stricttly scripturally based Truths , in the Bible , and " Lean not , to your own understanding " Amen .
Church controversy about "Scriptural Confession", WHY ? Because, "We Overcome, by the Word of Our Testimony" ! M Y T H Busted ! AMPC" And they have overcome (conquered) him by means of the blood of the Lamb , A N D , by the utterance of their testimony -- " Why so much claims of " False Teaching " by so many in the Church today ???
Because , GOD said , we not only Overcome (( Satan, Demons , The Flesh , Sins , Temptations , etc )) not only by Personal Faith , in the Precious Shed Blood of Jesus , but A L S O , according to GOD , by maintaining , by the Amazing Grace of the Lord , our spoken Personal Testimony , which agrees with God's strictly Scripturally based , in Context , rightly divided , Holy Spirit led , Word of Promise ( Written New Testament Promises , and Commands of God . ) Amd, Minus all merely " Angel of Light " man made " Religious Traditions "
( and Satan inspired ) teachings, & " Doctrines of Devils " ! ( 2 Corinthians 11:14 and , 1 Timothy 4:1 ) For an entire book of Scriptures, on " Personal , Scriptural Confession " , see the Great Book - THE POWER OF YOUR WORDS , by Don Gossett and E. W. Kenyon . ( Life Changing ! ) Amen .
2 Cor 5:21 Jesus was made sin. How does this apply then? Jesus didn't took the nature of satan but Jesus was made sin for our sake. Made sin is not the same as Jesus took the nature of sin, that's eisegesis then. He was made sin so that we maybe the righteousness of God. It didn't say we become gods like Jesus - impossible. Anyway this video is too short.
Why do you start your video by calling the leaders of the WoF movement 'so called teachers'. That's disrespectful. You can disagree with them if you don't believe like the do, but there is no need to insult them together with millions who listen to them and have been blessed by their teachings. I wanted to learn something and be perhaps be corrected by you, but your spirit is not right. You might be a doctor in divinity but that doesn't give the right to call others 'so called'. They read the same Bible as you.
We need to pray for discernment and wisdom and follow the leading of The Holy Spirit. We're living in perilous times. Take no man's word as truth but study ourselves approved. I see no problem with warning others of false teachers, we are never to put our trust in man but only Jesus. God Bless
@@sheroyal9326 Millions are ignorant. Lucky that some know the truth.
This is the best articulation and insinuations against the WoF movements and leaders,a very powerful and convincing slanders of all time.Opposed what Jesus taught..YE ARE GODS...this Dr.became a tool of Satan.Dr,you cannot slammed the Words of my Saviour Lord Jesus,period!You are wrong,wrong to the cores,though you sound right!
Jesus was quoting Psalm 82:6, which if you read it, it says, "ye are gods, but you will die just like men.". Logically, that cannot be directed towards men. It is towards the principalities set over the nations, that are referenced in Ephesians 6:12. When you understand there is also the unseen world, part of the ALL things that will be brought under the authority of Christ (Ephesians 1:10), you will recognize that there are other polemics written against them in the OT as well.
That misunderstanding of who that verse is directed to leads to a lot of error. It is part of the basis the rabbis used to claim that Israel is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. It was also part of John of Damascus' defense of iconography, and why he claimed it was okay to venerate saints.
(I'm not against icons, God gives us visual representations to help us remember his faithfulness all the time. However, the whole praying to the saints thing is nothing more than Westernized ancestor worship, which is part of the Levitical prohibitions. When Jesus taught his disciples to pray, it was to the Father directly. When Peter wanted to build an altar to Moses, Elijah, and Jesus at the Transfiguration, the voice of God said, "This is my beloved son, listen to him" Matthew 17:5)
We are not the same essence as God. The created cannot be the same substance as the Creator. A thing cannot create itself. This is what John Chapter. 1 is all about. Jesus is he *uniquely* begotten. There is none other like him. He is God, we are not. We are adopted into his family, not begotten.
"Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us IN Christ to be holy and without fault IN HIS EYES. God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself THROUGH Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do and it gave him great pleasure. So we praise God for the glorious grace he has poured out on us who BELONG TO his dear Son."
And this next verse clearly explains where the work was done - it's always about blood atonement.
"He is so rich in kindness and grace that he PURCHASED our freedom with the BLOOD OF HIS SON and forgave us our sins."
Ephesians 1:4-7 NLT
Paul, first of all that verse is not talking about women teaching anything, it is talking about in church, or women pastors. The woman has done NOTHING wrong.