What do I think? I thought that from the beginning, when I heard Qui-Gon describe the Midichlorians to Anakin, that they themselves were NOT the Force, but allowed their symbiont hosts to USE and FEEL it. I really fail to see how anyone can misunderstand that and thus throw hissy fits.
That's why I like what Darth Plagueis said, "The Force Creates Life." Then Life expands The Force with variety,depth, and diversity and this is what makes The Force(Living Force) grow.
I never had a problem with Midichlorians and I welcomed their edition to the the lore of the galaxy. I was hoping we'd get evil Jedi clones or the explanation of gray side users or even a light side sith and midichlorians would explain all of that or at least be the bridge. When Lucas said they were the key to the sequel trilogy it broke my heart because I wanted to see him complete his vision.
Well I suggest you read plaguies novel. Because it goes into the idea more. He wants to live forever. But as Midochlorians are how jedi and sith both interact with the force like an access to it. He seem them as interlopers interfering with his goals. Also his ability to revive the dead is possible. But he can't fully use them on himself to revive he needs a partner. As I say I don't want to spoil the book but it's worth reading or listen to the audiobook. Audiobook is great with music and acting.
The book also refrences other chacters it really shows how well researched the creator was. For example simple comments on Bane about how Bane before being Darth was a miner. And this is how it starts off with them in a mine. Plaguies and his master at the time. Saying what a fitting place to end the rule of 2.
Meh the midichlorians never bothered me. I was a young teen when I saw the Phantom Menace in theaters and it was my first ever exposure to Star Wars. I went on to love the Original Trilogy and wait expectantly for episodes 2 and 3. The midichlorians were presented to me intially then as just part of Star Wars and I accepted it. I also went on to get a degree in biology and I always loved the idea that there is so much going on at a microscopic level. To me, midichlorians didn't take away from the magic of the Force. However, I couldn't handle jar jar from day 1 LOL.
Little Flower that’s a great comment. I’m sure you were excited to hear of Lucas’ alleged plan for the sequel trilogy regarding a microbiotic world or whatever it was they mentioned last month. I was intrigued.
+The Sci-Fi Dragon not sure if I would consider myself excited when I heard his plans, but it may have been really good, it would of been differen't but nothing is wrong with that, just leaves me unsure because it sounded really weird too me.
I originally thought that Lucas's plan for the midichlorians was to show the Jedi Order slowly leaning towards scientific beliefs in what the Force is, and would play a part in creating some kind of schism in the Clone Wars.
I could certainly see why/how that would've been your belief. At first they do come off as a means by which for the Jedi to quantify the Force and begin to truly explain it scientifically. However, in TCW, I think Lucas makes it clearly they play a very, very intricate part in the grand scheme of things.
Midichlorians were actually first mentioned in an interview Lucas gave in 1977. He used it to explain that other races actually have a stronger connection to the Force because of them. Of course, this changed by TPM and race doesn't equate a strong count.
also, immortality is a central theme of the star wars saga (though not explicit, you have to read between the lines kind of). the sith seek immortality through science, through manipulating midichlorians. however, it is only by embracing the light side of the force that one becomes immortal. not through scientific means, but through spiritual means.
LOVE this video!! I'm with the group that is totally fine with the introduction of midi-chlorians, and rather than pretend that never happened... would like to see an explanation that still leaves mystery AND that pleases EVERYONE on BOTH sides of this argument.
I love your videos. You have the ability to take any aspect of the star wars univers (frowned upon or loved) and extract so much interesting thoughts about it that it makes even more sense and fits to the universe so much perfectly. Please never stop doing your videos!
Midichlorians have never bothered me. I’ve always thought of them as just the Jedi’s connection to the force. Think of Jedi as WiFi only iPads. The force is the internet. Midichlorians are wireless routers. Midichlorians are in all living things, but the more you have, the stronger your connection is.
I don't get why people hate them they weren't straight up called the Force just part of it besides it makes sense because one of the first things we *know* *about* the Force in the very first Star Wars movie is that it's a genetic thing considering Luke and Leia are strong in the Force because of their father. So yeah people why don't you explain how the Force was never genetic and how force sensitives have babies that are force sensitive 99% of the time?
I heard the arguement that people hated them because it sort of meant that not everyone could of been a Jedi, yet that seems rather odd to me as we already knew it was a genetic thing... **edit hey its you not seeking out all your comments to reply to I sware!
"The Force is strong in my family", said Luke, and Yoda said the same thing, telling him to "pass it on". It was established already in RotJ that the Force is genetic.
I never, ever understood the constant bitching about midi-chlorians by the so-called "true fans." It was a useful plot device for TPM, and more importantly, it was completely consistent with the Expanded Universe, as it existed at the time. For example, it explained why Force-sensitivity seemed to be hereditary, how animals like the "ysalamiri" had a Force-deadening field, how a species like the Yuuzhan Vong could exist outside of it, and how in the Jedi Academy trilogy, the Emperor was found to have a Force-scanning device. The objections are simply misinformed crap, and it annoys me that *because* of those objections, we will never get to see George's proper Episodes VII-IX. So there, haters.
Nick Hentschel Maybe the problem was that those "true fans" were actually just "film only canon purists" who wouldn't accept the EU. And when that minority spoke out, casual fans assumed "they must know what they're talking about because they're the people who camped out in front of theaters for two days dressed like a Rhodian" So the vitriol became memetic and it was just "cool to hate" stuff. BandWagonning
This! This is the explanation for what was bothering me about why there is so much "sheep hate" (as in blindly spreading, unquestioned, irrational, dogmatic hate) for the prequels and midichlorians in so much of the fandom, in the most hardcore and more casual part of it alike... now I see... it just became a meme, before the term "meme" was even a thing... and every new fan is pressured to hate the prequels by the hardcore bunch to be even considered a SW fan. That's just... depressing. I wonder what would happen if someone would spread this opinion/theory/fact/knowledge more.
I'm 39 y/o, and Empire was the first movie I saw in theaters. Before that, I saw STAR WARS (Now called "A New Hope") on Beta-Max. So I obviously grew up, AND older with the original trilogy. With that said...midichlorians never bothered me. I got it then, and it's sad that Thor Skywalker had to break down simple answers for 3 folks, at the time of this comment. Going with the former or latter theory, they both make sense, though the latter was a new way of looking at it, for me. But come on....HOW a Jedi senses the Force bothers you so much, that you have to twist it into the Force itself changed between movies? Come on!
Whenever an explanation is given to the Force, it should either raise more questions than it answers or be so hard to understand that it takes extensive study to truly comprehend. I feel that's what the midichlorians and the living/cosmic Force both did quite well. The midichlorians quantified the Force, yes, but they also raised questions about what and why they exist. The living/cosmic Force thing is so complicated that, even after detailed explanations from both Dave Filoni AND Thor Skywalker (truly the mightiest Skywalker since the Chosen One), I still can't make heads or tails of it. Just my two cents. Which happened to be manufactured in the 40's, so they actually might be worth quite a bit on the black market...let me check Ebay real quick...
I've never quite agreed with that. I always figured the *trauma* had more to do with the loss of potential, not the actual injury. A mind over matter kind of thing. We see Vader overcome his handicap and sustain himself using only the force on more than one occasion. Just my view.
@@davemarx7856 The novelisation of the ROTS says that he loses his connection due to the injuries. The implication that as a Jedi he was not yet able to tap into the full potential, and that in time as a sith he is able to develop a strong connection which allows him to perform great feats none the less, which I think makes him a more tragic character, that only after he had lost most of his potential was he able to gain the maturity required to be able to access it.
I also don’t understand why people are so disturbed by the midi-chlorians. To me, it makes sense. It helps explain why certain people are stronger in the force, no matter their level of devotion, rather than people randomly being strong in the force for no apparent reason. It provides a “scientific explanation.” It also helps explain why it tends to run in families. I understood the midi-chlorians as a device by which force users could connect and communicate with the force, versus people who couldn’t. I also am fascinated by the mysteries of the force. I wish we could have explored it further.
Hi Thor! I love your videos, and I get the feeling that you might ironically understand Star Wars better than anybody at Lucasfilm. Watching this video made me think of a question that I don’t think you have fully answered yet: What exactly is the dark side? We know that it is sort of a corruption or sickness within the force, but where does it come from? And how do the sith draw it’s power? I feel like this could be a great topic for a future video. Thanks!
I honestly love midichlorians. It's very rare for fantasy stories to actually take a scientific look at magic. People truly misunderstood that midichlorians is the Force, instead of what it actually is: more of a way for the Force to be controlled by life in Star Wars
Honestly, I like your explanation of midichlorians and the distinction between the cosmic force and the living force. It helps keep the mysticism of the cosmic force, while helping the uninitiated understand the living force.
I never really loved the Midi-chlorians but I knew Yoda mentioned the Force being inside all beings and there had to be a way of seeing Anakin’s potential in the force in order for Qui-Gon to think he was the chosen one. I also never understood the complaints because it was just something to get the plot going and create (in my opinion) more intrigue in the Force because there’s still enough mystery to not know what fully happens in the Force itself. However, your explanation has fully sold me on them. Great job!
What I like about this is that so much is subjective. How the force, cosmic and life as well as mediclorians works could be debated on and on but at the end of the day, we can believe it works in such a way that suits our own personal beliefs or rather our own personal canon.
Thor Skywalker, I will never understand why these movie writers couldn't have half as much creativity and vision as you do. This is my favorite Star Wars channel, by the way.
I thought, and still do, the midichlorian concept was scientifically plausible. Consider the mitochondria in our cells. They produce ATP the energy fuel for our life processes plus several other vital functions. We have several symbiotic bacteria in our intestines that assist in proper digestion. It is quite possible that some similar tiny 1 cell being can be a symbiotic entity that can function as a 2 way communication system between us and the Force. Therefore the more one has, the greater the innate ability for connection to the Force.
-Mitochondria- midichlorian, the -power house- intermediary of the -cell- force In all seriousness I kinda feel bad for jumping on the midichlorian hate wagon all those years ago. Eventually I got over it and even came to find the concept interesting... but by that point, the damage had been done and we had all basically "reeee'd" George Lucas into never wanting to make another starwars film 😔 😟 to quote Anakin Skywalker... "What have I done?"
This is the monologue about the force that the Phantom Menace needed. If some wise old Jedi (read: Yoda) had delivered this speech to an older (read: teenage/twenty year-old) Anakin who'd just been freed by and made friends with Obi-Wan and brought back to the temple, it would instantly improve the concept itself and execution of the film in question.
I see it more as an understanding of organic correlation to the Force, not an explanation of the Force. It just adds depths and layers to an already deeply layered mystery. I wish people could understand. It's one of my favorite aspects of the lore and one of my favorite things about the prequels. Back before everyone made videos and wrote articles about how awful an idea midichlorians supposedly are, I remember exciting, detailed discussions of the lore. For over a thousand hours, lore discussions were a source of awe and wonder in my small circles of friends... before the dark times... before the RLM reviews popularized sensationalist bandwagon hate.
I think people got mad about explaining any physical aspect of the Force. It had to be vague and wibbly wobbly mysticism. But from what I understand, Lucas included the Force as a way to spread spirituality in young people. We live in the real world and have scientific explanations for things, so you need a way to break through that. It's not done by rejecting the material and seperating it from the spiritual, but by combining the spiritual with the material. The Midichlorians are the physical mechanism that connects organism to the force, but the Force is beyond the powers of the Jedi or Sith. The force is in everyone and moves through everyone. The presence Midichlorians simply allow for creatures to know the force and work with it. Ultimately, the Midichlorians are important because they reaffirm the theme of symbiosis and the interconnectedness of life, which is what the Force is a metaphore for after all.
I think some things are best left unexplained. Such as the force, yoda’s origin etc. Adds a certain mystery to it and allows you to interpret it yourself.
One of the Ancient Mythological(possibly historical) figures inspired for Anakin is Gilgamesh. *Aside*:" the stars of Gilgamesh were the constellation Orion (ORIAN in feminine).,* Gilgamesh claimed to be "Two-thirds god and one-third man", this is a real mystery... HOW CAN THIS BE?!?! Mathematically that doesn't add up. This mystery would go on for thousands of years... "MITOCHONDRIAL DNA" makes it possible where the mother can install more of herself into her fetus than normal: making such a Radical claim indeed surprisingly accurate! " "MIDICHLORIACEA" a bacteria that is symbionts with a particular tick, because of mitochondria dna. "Chloroplasts"(in green plant cells) a plastid that contains chlorophyll and in which photosynthesis takes place. I just explained "MIDICHL"... ORIAN, as I said is feminine Orion. Anakin Skywalker had no physical father, so he is 100% his mother... These were never your story's, a lot of work/research went into star wars. Its George Lucas story, that was already hinted at in the OT, that he always had planned.... *Anakin is Osiris/Montu/ Horus the Elder/Marduk/Lucifer/Cronus/Zues/Heracles/Ninurta/Ninus/Ashur/ and Darth Vader is Set/Nergal.. Shmi is Nut/Neith/Gaia/Danu/Ashera/Sophia/Martha.. Luke is Horus/Phoebus Apollo/Utu Shamash/Sol/Zues... Leia is Inanna/Diana/Artemis/Astarte/Isis/Minerva Athena/Aphrodite... Padme is Hathor/Hera/Metis/Isis/Ishtar/Istre/Astarte/Ashteroth/Aphrodite... Darth Plagueis is Lord Ea/Enki/Ptah/Yaldabaoth/Saklas/Samael/Kukulkhan*
NorthcuttCharles I know it’s not my story, and I get that it’s influenced by stuff, just personally think it’s a bit dumb for Darth Vader to basically be Jesus or whatever. Just takes away some of the mystery to it and wondering how he just came into existence is not a good enough trade off to have the force explained by a sudo science. Less is more in a lot of cases in regards to storytelling.
Mistaj86 I think you should look up the Word "Mystery"- you'll be surprised it backs up my comment more than yours; Lucas never answered this mystery about the force yet, only expanded upon it. (And very little, seeing as the concept was hinted at in the OT) Also, Anakin/Vader was already named after SON OF GODS in the Original trilogy, well before the prequels. Its in Anakin Skywalker very name! (The real mystery, that I've given you some answers to but you don't care because you didn't do the work). I don't know why you and others are stuck on this mindset, but it's clear you heard about the amount of influence George got from ancient sources, yet don't care to read them. How then can you even form this opinion of yours (which just seems like more parroting of other people views) when you fail to understand the actual Original Trilogy then go on carrying a grudge against truth... Is it dumb? Not only is dumb used informally here, but in truth it's actually Genius.. but I know you prefer to be mystified so you won't do the research,.. *"The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know absolutely nothing about yet refuse to investigate"*
One of the most misunderstood concepts in Star Wars. George Lucas has said that the midi-chlorians are the practical biological side, distinct from the spiritual and metaphysical side of the Force. For years since watching The Phantom Menace, I never understood why people would bitch about the midi-chlorians. George Lucas actually first conceived the midi-chlorians as early as 1977. They were not featured in the original trilogy because Lucas felt there wasn't enough time to introduce the concept.
I think you have over-complicated this one! We are told two things, both of which you have pointed out: that life generates the force and that the midichlorians are microscopic life forms in all living things that enable us to know the will of the force. We are not told either that the midichlorians generate the force - either living or cosmic - nor are we told that they make you strong with the force. That latter is one possibility, of course, but it is also possible that a simpler explanation, as you point out, is that a high midichlorian count simply enables you to have a better sense of the will of the force. Although many fans have assumed that the existence of midichlorians must mean this or that, and have hated their introduction based on what they assumed it meant, what is actually said on screen leaves room for many interpretations. We never got to see what GL intended so it was never pinned down. Presumably, given what little he has said about his plans for the sequel trilogy, we would have found out more but that is all moot now! As for the Sith having a lower m/c count, again, not necessarily. It might be that Sith Lords know very well what the will of the force is but they ignore it. Of course, all of this leads to a different, but related, problem - if the force really does have a will in the sense of an intentional purpose then you have to ask why does it make itself strong with or accessible to those who will not do its will? Or when we talk about the will of the force is it more a natural thing such as water always finds its own level and the force naturally wants to find the perfect balance point between all living things. I'd love to see a video with your thoughts on what the will of the force actually means!
I know I've been saying this for awhile but I'm still working on putting together The Lost Jedi into one complete video (with a few fixes). Hopefully I'll be done with that soon and I can get back to storytelling.
Great video! I agree with most of what you said, but regarding the sith, I think they would have similar midi-chlorian counts to the Jedi as they seek to control the force. Essentially doing the opposite of what the Jedi are doing.
Thor Skywalker, loved the video. I put it in my good playlist. And some incouraging news, M count was mentioned the mandolorian for baby yoda!!! Maybe, who knows one day Dave filoni will give us the full George Lucas midochlorian treatment!!! 👍
To really understand the Force and midichlorians you need to know did the Force evolve from nothing (which is impossible) was it created (by what) or did the cosmic force just always exist? Idk where did it all come from? I really liked the explanation for a Sith's midichlorian count btw I never thought of that
Star Wars, the force, life, midi-chlorians, so confusing and mysterious, but mostly confusing. I think we all would like to one day understand all the secrets of the force and how it works, and exactly what it is. But that’s one thing that’s great about Star Wars, the mysteries of it.
At least so far as the Sith's midi chlorians, check out the novel Plagueis again, I believe there is a section where Plagueis manipulates the midi chlorians in another sith's body to kill and revive him over and over. Though I do not think it is ever specified exactly how many the sith had, it does show they needed to be present. Overall, Plagueis is a great book in my opinion because of how scientific Plagueis is when compared to Yoda or Qui Gon. It really showcases the differing viewpoints on the force. (and yes I know this is no longer canon but I think it is still a good reference point and expands on Sidious' explanation of Plagueis in Revenge of the Sith)
As always, i could not agree more with you. Please continue to put out awesome content like that. You are definitely my favorite Star Wars Channel here on youtube. Greetings from Germany !
I actually think it was said in such a way by Yoda to make it ambiguous, that Yoda's backwards speech actually _is_ the point, deliberately designed to symbolize how things are circular, not simply straight forward as we percieve; i.e. both readings are true, as Thor Skywalker explained.
Not at all. Yoda sometimes, where meaning is preserved, mirrors entire short phrases, sometimes not at all, and sometimes, _I believe,_ both. Of course there is no hard and fast rule to his grammar structure, just what he (and thus the writers) felt was most poetically fitting for each given point. Which I think only lends more credence to the idea of circular symbolism behind the line in question. 1 2 3 i.e. _"Strong is Vader"_ 3 2 1 or: Vader is Strong 1 2 3 Thus: _"Life creates it"_ 3 2 1 and: It creates life
But you can swap a subject and its adjective without changing the meaning of the sentence (as in “Strong is Vader”). But in this case, it’s not a matter of simply mirror imaging the sentence: you have to consider the relationship of the subject and the object in the sentence. For example, if Yoda meant “Rock beats scissors”, even by his inconsistent grammatical standards, he would never simply reverse it and say “Scissors beats rock”, as this would result in a complete change in meaning. Hence why he would need to modify the verb in this case, “Scissors is beaten by rock”.
pretty much, also once explained I don't think fans would of had any issue. but they among many other things is not what made TPM get all the hate those were just the easy things to jump at. The movie had pacing and plot issues that could and should have been worked out all the little details like Midiclorians would of been less hated in that case...
I don't know I entirely agree with your description of the cosmic force and the living force, but I do like the idea of the Balance of the force being the balance between the Living and Cosmic force rather than light and dark. And maybe this is when the Jedi lost their way because they started seeing the battle being between light and dark rather than balance within the force: started medicating the symptoms rather than the disease as it were. Also liked the lower medichlorian count in the Sith idea as well. Perhaps furthermore, in bending the force to their will, they actually start demanding more flow of energy than what the midichlorians can handle, and actually start destroying the ones in their body; hindering their ability to conduct the living force. Maybe this is the Dark Side as it were.
Lucas could have called midichorlians the whills, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. It’s unfortunate that so many of his ideas are only taken at face value regarding the force, and how fans say he doesn’t even know his own movies. You could probably have a 3 hour discussion with George about the concepts of the Force, and he would still have more to say about it. It’s impossible to put the complexities of the force into one 2 hour movie. I’m saddened we won’t see exploration of the force in this sequel trilogy. It would have been nice to hear Luke acknowledge the midichorlians and how the Jedi Order turned its back on spirituality in favor of science. The best we will get into Lucas describing what the force is is the Yoda arc in The Lost Season of Clone Wars. @thorskywalker, thanks for being a voice of reason among the Star Wars fans.
Thor, you should read this quote by Lucas about his beliefs on religion in real life. I think it gives insight to his design of the Force. “Scholars who have studied myth and religion for many years and have connected all of the theories spawned over the ages about life and consciousness and who have taken away the superficial trappings, have come up with the same sensibility. They call it different things. They try to personify it and deal with it in different ways. But everybody seems to dress down the fact that life cannot be explained. The only reason for life is life. There is no why. We are. Life is beyond reason. One might think of life as a large organism, and we are but a small symbiotic part of it. ... It is possible that on a spiritual level we are all connected in a way that continues beyond the comings and goings of various life forms. My best guess is that we share a collective spirit or life force or consciousness that encompasses and goes beyond individual life forms. There’s a part of us that connects to other humans, connects to other animals, connects to plants, connects to the planet, connects to the universe. I don’t think we can understand it through any kind of verbal, written or intellectual means. But I do believe that we all know this, even if it is on a level beyond our normal conscious thoughts. If we have a meaningful place in this process, it is to try to fit into a healthy, symbiotic relationship with other life force. Everybody, ultimately, is trying to reach a harmony with the other parts of the life force. And in trying to figure out what life is all about, we ultimately come down to expressions of compassion and love, helping the rest of the life force, caring about others without any conditions or expectations, without expecting to get anything in return. This is expressed in every religion, by every prophet.” -George Lucas, “The Meaning of Life” Life Magazine 1991
I dont think Star Wars is about "balance" anymore. Disney is simply trying to tell stories, and unfortunately for them the "force" has to be part of that story. The lack of "traditional" force powers used in TLJ, and to some extant in TFA, is a good example of this. The force has become nothing more than a weak plot device used to advance a scene, rather than something that is used to enhance a scene. The midichlorians wont be brought up again because if it is, the writers may have to actually explain something that even they dont understand.
I actually love the idea of midichlorians. It just perfectly explains why some can use the force and others can’t, without bad reasoning like “the force works in mysterious ways” I’m more of a science over fantasy guy in the sci-fi / fantasy genre, so if there is a scientific reasoning and mystic reasoning, I’ll always take the science reasoning
Case in point: Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion in Knights of the Old Republic 2; both were powerful Sith Lords who threatened the balance of nature by feeding on life to extend their own and thus violating every natural law in a selfish, but understandable, fear of what lies beyond after death and the threat being rendered moot by essentially being recycled and repurposed by the Cosmic Force. But, as Gargoyles' Hudson says, "true immortality isn't living forever, it's what you do with the time you have"; leave behind an impact and you'll create a legacy that lives on forever (Darth Vader a prime example)
Thorskywalker I like the idea of Midichlorians just fine. I grew up with the prequels btw. I've noticed though that you and I have different ideas and theories on what the force is, how it works and what is it's true nature. I would love to discuss with you about it sometime.
There are few things I enjoy more than have friendly debates about Star Wars, especially when concerning the nature of the Force and the purpose of the Jedi.
Thor Skywalker Sweet! Ok so here's my understanding: There is only 1 Force. It is the source of all life and energy. It is self aware and sentient though impersonal. What I call The Force sounds like what you call the cosmic force (although I know you don't believe it to be self aware). I don't really use the term living force as I feel it is just a term that simply describes life itself that was created by The Force. So I simply just say life. However I do agree that the will of The Force is for the circle of life to continue uninterrupted and in harmony. Although I do consider all living things that die do have their energy or life force returned to The Force but I don't think it needs that energy per se or that it somehow depends on it to replenish or recharge itself, as The Force produces energy on it's own. That being said, it has a special connection with sentient and intelligent life through the Midichlorians bc it itself is sentient as well. Not sure if SW canon has established that ALL life has Midichlorians but I would think not and only sentient life does like aliens or humans. Which is why only they have the ability to actually use the force. I think the first sentient and intelligent life forms understood The Force and it's true nature. And The Force allowed them, through the Midichlorians, to be able to draw power from it and use the force but only in accordance to its will. However, in time some individuals discovered they could use the force for themselves and bend it to their own will. But as this is not it's purpose it causes great strain and resistance on the Midichlorians which in turn cause the cells to deteriorate. The Force does not like to be used against it's will which is why it started to guide those that were listening and wanted to do it's will to go and stop these individuals. The term "darkside" was created to describe what these individuals were doing: bending the force to their will and using it against it's will. That's what the darkside truly is, simply the potential The Force has to be used against it's will. I like to put it this way, imagine a hammer that is sentient and it has a will. A will to be used in accordance to its purpose: to be used as a tool. However the hammer also has the potential to be used as a weapon, something against it's original purpose and will. (One could say that is the "darkside" of the hammer) And when it is used this way it resists but of course it lacks the means to stop the individual from using it in that way. So instead it "communicates" with others that do want to use it correctly and guides them to go and stop that individual. Basically that is what The Force wants and does. That's why those that listen to The Force and follow it's will (like the Jedi) go and try to stop and eliminate the Sith (or those that use the force wrongly, against it's will). It's interesting that they are suppose to destroy the Sith and not the darkside bc the darkside can't be destroyed bc it's not really a thing or even a part of The Force. It is simply the potential The Force has to be used in a way it was never intended to be or against it's purpose and will. (Like the hammer). And that potential can never be elimated. Only those that seek to use it in that way can be elimated. And that's what The Force ultimately wants. That is what is described by the phrase "balance in The Force". It's not about balancing the darkside and light side of The Force bc in reality those things don't really exist. There is only The Force. (The term light side was created after the term darkside to simply contrast it) So I don't believe in the duality of the force but I do think that is a misunderstanding that came about at one point and took root. Which is why so many in the SW universe subscribe to that ideology including the Jedi, Sith, Grey Jedi, etc. Even though in actuality they are all wrong.
Thor Skywalker Actually allow me to adjust some things. I remember Qui Gon's conversation with Ani and he does state that midichlorians are inside all living things. So I think as all life is created by The Force, the Midichlorians are a sort of residual effect from that act of creation. Which is why all life forms do have Midichlorians and that the amount of that residue is random (for the most part). Which is why, for example, plant life could have high Midichlorian counts and be strong In the force like the force trees. But since plant life is not intelligent it lacks the ability to communicate with the Midichlorians and use the force. Where as intelligent life forms like alien and human races do.
Some interesting ideas here and we are on similar pages when it comes to the Force. I'm curious, have you ever seen the Yoda story arc from season six of The Clone Wars?
Thor Skywalker Actually no. I'm pretty bad when it comes to the stuff outside the movies. I know about some stuff here and there but haven't really seen the shows straight through from start to finish. I am starting to though. Why, what does that story reveal?
This is just pure conjecture but I think the power comparison between Jedi and Sith can be made apparent if you liken them metaphorically to batteries; specifically lead acid batteries like the ones you use in a car. See if mitichlorians are to the force as amperage/amps are to the amount of electrical power a battery can hold, then basically force sensitives are giant batteries of useable life force. Now back to how I would relate this to lead acid batteries; The thing about these batteries is that they are not made to be drained all the way down to zero(deep cycled) like you would a cell phone. That is whatever the batteries are rated for, you are not to use them past 50% because doing so significantly lowers their shelf life. Now back to how this relates to the Jedi and Sith. The Jedi are pious in maintaining their own power balance in the force which gives them virtually no side effects at the cost of curbing off their peak potential. The Sith on the other hand gear themselves for optimal performance in the short term at the cost of their own longevity.
My headcanon was always something like this: that midichlorians live off the force like a plant lives off sunlight and when somebody is strong with the force, their connection to it is stronger and they act kind of as a "well" for the force to manifest itself, and the midichlorians thrive in people like this so midichlorian count is a good way to tell how strong someone is with the force. I wasn't *that* far from this video I don't think.
My headcanon was they were force sensitive microorganisms that were merely attracted to powerful force users. They didnt generate the Force itself, they just liked to congregate on powerful force users making them useful in determining a force user's power. They also start feeding on a force users body as they turn to the dark side, which is why dark side user's flesh became corrupted over time.
the way i see it, the midiclorians measure the potential and make it easier to use the force. the energy which makes up the force creates a web on three levels, not 2. the cosmic connects everything, in the past, present and future; the living force between all multi-cellular life, and the midiclorians within each individual creates a web between all their cells. more midichlorians means there is more force energy naturally existing within the individual making it easier to use instinctively and learn more easily.
I thought they made sense from the start and I grew up with the prequels, but saw the originals first. The force was already implied to have a biological side or else sensitivity to it couldn't be genetic. If it was 100% spiritual, anyone could become a jedi or sith and it wouldn't make any sense for Luke or Leia to be force sensitive even without heavy training; they being Anakin's offspring and thus he passed it onto them makes it very logical. I always thought of the midichlorians kinda like the middle-men of the force as the video describes, or as my animal loving mind thought, like remora fish hitching a ride on a shark. They sense someone is strong in the force and bond to them to help them out.
George always had them planned... and they were also hinted at towards in the OT. (But these "purists" are too proud to accept their folly) I mean George IS God of the Star Wars universe.
fzdreaddy "That boy is our last hope" "no there is another"... "then the emperor has already one, you were our only hope... that other you spoke of is your twin sister... the emperor new, as I did, that should Anakin have any offspring, they would be a threat to him" "the son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi" Even though the force surrounds and binds all living things, these quotes imply there is something more physical than what there appears... why else wouldn't Ben Kenobi just teach the whole Rebellion to be Jedi, unless force potential was an obvious issue!
NorthcuttCharles exactly. That's why I hate star wars explained. He said the force is usable by anyone at any level as long as you have faith. He thinks it's okay for someone like Han to be just as skilled or even more so then Yoda as long as he believes hard enough....ugh.
I disagree that Lucas is God of the Star Wars universe. He came up with the basic idea and story, yes, but Star Wars was also shaped by so many other people, like Mark Hamill, Carrie Fischer, Alex Guiness, the screenwriters, John Williams, and so on. Hell, the first movie almost ended up a crappy B movie were it not for the incredible editing efforts of his wife and his editing crew. To me, Star Was has and always will belong to everyone. There can be "canon", sure, but that's ultimately just to keep they basic stories consistent for marketing purposes. Star Wars is like Don Quiote or Little Red Riding Hood or Heracles; it doesn't belong to any one person, it's for everyone who's inspired by it.
Personally I agree with the fact that Mediclorians were the first life forms in the Star Wars galaxy, I believe Qui-Gon was only speculating when he said that they communicate the will of the Force or that they reside in one's cells. What I think is, Mediclorians are extremely strong with the Force, strong enough to connect to the Cosmic Force, due to them being the very first life in the galaxy. I also agree that they opperate under one colective consciousness, although I don't think they're senescent, and they are just naturally attracted to very strong Force-users and they exist in and around the Force-user's body. Not specifically in their cells, that's just how the Jedi of the prequels perceived it. So, that's just what I think about the Mediclorians. However, I am very intrigued by your speculation of how the Sith become deformed by their usage of the dark side and selfish nature. I would definatly like to see a video on that sometime soon!
8:50 it's interesting your theory. But if you read Darth Plaguies book it seems like the dark side of force does distort the user as you face. Eyes for examples. And Palpatine during his training is wondering will that happen to him. And plaguies says a sith doesn't fear these changes but embraces these changes becoming one with the dark side of the force. Sunking eyes and sort of "dark looking" seems to be case of this. It's really eye opening stuff. On how a sith sees themselves. They see themselves as masters over the force controlling it rather than summing help from the force or alliance like the jedi do.
lol Suddenly everyone claims they love Midi-Chlorians, have always loved them and never understood how anybody could not love them. Back then it was like everyone hated the very idea. I hated it. Some wrote songs about how George Lucas ruined Star Wars. I didn't hate it that much. I just ignored the scene where they were mentioned. Though I have to admit, this explanation saves the day. If only the Phantom Menace presented it like that. The Force is still the Force. That's all we needed to hear.
I agree Thor, some over reacted to the micro scopic organisms in phantom. To me, it was just one more puzzle piece, and I dismissed it as nonessential to George's story
I like medi chlorians because I always thought of medi chlorians the same way as you do. The way that you explained the sith is a little bit different. But I kind of like your idea better.
I actually love the idea of midichlorians. Many elite Olympic athletes actually have higher than average mitochondria counts, giving them the advantage of using more energy, and thus being able to do more physically than the average person. Mitochondrial density can also be mildly affected by training, and studies have shown that training can even alter gene expression. with training, even those not blessed in all areas by genetics, can compete at the highest level. genetically gifted individuals also need to work for it, no matter who you are, as Luke says in the mandalorian, talent without training is nothing.
The introduction of Midi Chlorians changed Star Wars from fantasy to science fiction and that was the distinction between Star Wars and Star Trek. It was the beginning of the end of Star Wars.
I find it hilariously ironic that many people who like these movies prefer math and science over religion, while they hate the idea that the mystical energy field has a scientific basis of identification and mathematical system of measurement. Also, it would be amazing if IX ended with Rey (and maybe Kylo) dissolved into the purest form of Midichlorians and forged with the Whills to restore balance to the Force.
darth plagueis novel even goes into futher detail. And even non-force users have it. As he finds out. He even finds out species Watto like species are not able to influenced by the force suggestion. They've evolved to have this counter too it. Which is interesting. Watto's species isn't the only the only species that naturally have a force blocker. But midcholorians are how a force user interacts with the force. Infact Plaguies master was going to create a virus that attacked them. But as Plaguies says it's dumb considering we as sith use the same method. Plaguies can revive people later on but he finds out he can't do it too himself. So if he wants to be imortal he will need a partner. That's why he needs Palpatine in order to keep both alive. As he Plaguies says it's not apprentence he's looking for but a partner. And he really means it when he would never hold anything back from Palpatine. While he did use the apprentice and master role at the start to teach. And keep Palpatine from seeking old tales which was Palpatine wanted the most. That was his biggest desire is to read the old sith legends. Plaguies knows this so after the failed assassination. Palpatine goes on a killing spree against the ones who did it to his master. Which is just cool. He shows Palpatine his desire the treasure of sith knowledge. But midi Chlorians don't equal how powerful you will be. They are merely way to interact with the force. But as you pointed out more doesn't mean your the most powerful. Anakin has a high count because he's the chosen one and not only that was a being created by the force. Thanks to plaguies.
The theology in Star Wars is deep. I have a Master's Degree in Theological Studies, and sometimes I think Lucas understands God better than most Christian theologians. Look at Christian Trinitarian Panentheism, and compare it to the Force and you'll find some interesting parallels.
6:37 just want to add in the EU Mace Windu is very much a republic style of jedi. He does what's best for the republic. So on the council you have these different versions of jedi. With their own thoughts and differ from other jedi. There was a great comic though it was about a jedi that left temple and followed the force. The force Guided her to mission with obi wan to stop a virus with Count Dooku behind it. She wasn't messaged or received anything she was just guided to that point in time by the force. It's even been theorized the force let her not age.
I'm definitely okay with mediclorians, but really the only way they could be brought back was with a force ghost, ahsoka, or some recently found book or something that would basically seem like a deus ex machina thing
I wanna learn more about the force. I mean; what makes mystery schools intriguing is the mystery, but they could show it. Kind of like they did in Clone Wars and Rebels, or the Vader graphic series. Just... a bit more. They have tempels, Sith and Jedi. What do they even do, there, you know? I wanna see some dark sith scorcery, Crowleyesque mad chanting and manifestations of Will. And the heck do jedis do in the temples? Just train and meditate? Give me some drama. Show, don't tell and they can kinda keep the mysteries.
The one thing that's never been clarified is where life in the galaxy came from, don't get me wrong I love the idea of the force having some sort of explanation, and I was fascinated by the idea of midichlorians and often wondered if they created life anyway, but surely if something like the midichlorians is to become important then how life came about to create the force to begin with is important too?
Midi chlorines, when Lucas turned the mystical Force into a blood disease. No luminous beings aren't an energy as a being has sentience, energy is just energy. So I'm going to disagree with you.
I think it’s unfair to judge the idea of midiclorians bcuz GL has said he was going to further explain them throughout the trilogy. But I think the simple explanation is that they are the “conscience” of Force user. It’s how the Force communicates to them.
Ryan Young I prefer to think of them as an indicator for how easily one might connect with the force. That all living creatures have some amount of midichlorian and, though a high concentration was beneficial, anyone could train to make that connection... it would just be hard and frustrating.
The sith tend to seek out apprentice not by midocholorians but sensing the force within someone. Plaguies was actually setup. His father had a slight future sight ability. And his mother was darth tenebrous agent. She was clearly a force user but not sith worthy. So Tenebrous had this couple mate. Make a child that would Darth Plaguies and become Darth Tenebrous apprentice. What's actually interesting is that it's like nearly a 100 years master and apprentice. With both their species having longer life spans than the normal human. But as darth Plaguies notes it seems the force favours humans. And has allowed them to kinda take over the galaxy. Almost like the force is favouring them. You know the force is talked about as living thing. Plagueis even says it must be a human who becomes chancellor. That's why he loves that he found Palpatine. Since the republic being human dominated on many planets. Since humans dominated alot of planets. Have alot of power. Senator of Naboo was perfect it wasn't originally part of the republic. It wasn't part of the core worlds too. It was human majority held. Until Palpatine and Plaguies took over the rulers using politics. And eventually executing them. When Padmae becomes queen. Yea the nobels of Naboo didn't like the commoners becoming kings or queens. While it was election. It was very in favour of the ruling nobels.
I think Dark Side users might have high midichlorian counts too. They meditate and listen to the Force, but I think it's a similar but different religion from the Light Side. I don't think Palpatine was lying when he said the Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way. He also said that Darth Plagueis used the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life. Did he mean their own midichlorians or the midichlorians of the people he wanted to save or create?
as a biology major, i love the idea of midichlorians. the link connecting life to the force
can you confirm that midichlorians are essentially tardigrades with little jedi robes and light sabres
More Star Wars fans need to see this video.
I enjoy how Thor explores the lore when few else do. We need that for balance. Thanks for all you do.
What do I think? I thought that from the beginning, when I heard Qui-Gon describe the Midichlorians to Anakin, that they themselves were NOT the Force, but allowed their symbiont hosts to USE and FEEL it. I really fail to see how anyone can misunderstand that and thus throw hissy fits.
That's why I like what Darth Plagueis said, "The Force Creates Life." Then Life expands The Force with variety,depth, and diversity and this is what makes The Force(Living Force) grow.
I never had a problem with Midichlorians and I welcomed their edition to the the lore of the galaxy. I was hoping we'd get evil Jedi clones or the explanation of gray side users or even a light side sith and midichlorians would explain all of that or at least be the bridge. When Lucas said they were the key to the sequel trilogy it broke my heart because I wanted to see him complete his vision.
Well I suggest you read plaguies novel. Because it goes into the idea more. He wants to live forever. But as Midochlorians are how jedi and sith both interact with the force like an access to it. He seem them as interlopers interfering with his goals. Also his ability to revive the dead is possible. But he can't fully use them on himself to revive he needs a partner. As I say I don't want to spoil the book but it's worth reading or listen to the audiobook. Audiobook is great with music and acting.
The book also refrences other chacters it really shows how well researched the creator was. For example simple comments on Bane about how Bane before being Darth was a miner. And this is how it starts off with them in a mine. Plaguies and his master at the time. Saying what a fitting place to end the rule of 2.
Meh the midichlorians never bothered me. I was a young teen when I saw the Phantom Menace in theaters and it was my first ever exposure to Star Wars. I went on to love the Original Trilogy and wait expectantly for episodes 2 and 3. The midichlorians were presented to me intially then as just part of Star Wars and I accepted it. I also went on to get a degree in biology and I always loved the idea that there is so much going on at a microscopic level. To me, midichlorians didn't take away from the magic of the Force. However, I couldn't handle jar jar from day 1 LOL.
Little Flower that’s a great comment. I’m sure you were excited to hear of Lucas’ alleged plan for the sequel trilogy regarding a microbiotic world or whatever it was they mentioned last month. I was intrigued.
I saw TPM after the OT and the midichlorians didn't bother me either.
+The Sci-Fi Dragon not sure if I would consider myself excited when I heard his plans, but it may have been really good, it would of been differen't but nothing is wrong with that, just leaves me unsure because it sounded really weird too me.
Zero Cool It sounds interesting and not really like something that could ruin SW
Nice comment I completely agree
I originally thought that Lucas's plan for the midichlorians was to show the Jedi Order slowly leaning towards scientific beliefs in what the Force is, and would play a part in creating some kind of schism in the Clone Wars.
I could certainly see why/how that would've been your belief. At first they do come off as a means by which for the Jedi to quantify the Force and begin to truly explain it scientifically. However, in TCW, I think Lucas makes it clearly they play a very, very intricate part in the grand scheme of things.
Logan Smith that would have been cool
Midichlorians were actually first mentioned in an interview Lucas gave in 1977. He used it to explain that other races actually have a stronger connection to the Force because of them. Of course, this changed by TPM and race doesn't equate a strong count.
@@ignitetheinferno1858 do you have a link to that interview? I would love to read that
also, immortality is a central theme of the star wars saga (though not explicit, you have to read between the lines kind of). the sith seek immortality through science, through manipulating midichlorians. however, it is only by embracing the light side of the force that one becomes immortal. not through scientific means, but through spiritual means.
YES, SO FEW PEOPLE MENTION THIS!!!I love this part of SW
LOVE this video!! I'm with the group that is totally fine with the introduction of midi-chlorians, and rather than pretend that never happened... would like to see an explanation that still leaves mystery AND that pleases EVERYONE on BOTH sides of this argument.
As always, mind blown. I agree with you on so many levels and really like how you think
I love your videos. You have the ability to take any aspect of the star wars univers (frowned upon or loved) and extract so much interesting thoughts about it that it makes even more sense and fits to the universe so much perfectly. Please never stop doing your videos!
Thank you, I very much appreciate you saying that... and I have no plans on stopping this anytime soon.
Midichlorians have never bothered me. I’ve always thought of them as just the Jedi’s connection to the force. Think of Jedi as WiFi only iPads. The force is the internet. Midichlorians are wireless routers. Midichlorians are in all living things, but the more you have, the stronger your connection is.
caddan05 the way you see them is actually the objective way George Lucas explained them so,not an opinion,you're using facts my man
Yup this pretty much sums it up.
Lol qui-pad jinn
So you're saying only Apple people can be Jedi?
I guess that makes me a Sith.
@@marksmith2412 Yo dude the empire is pretty chill! may be you like should join it or something
I don't get why people hate them they weren't straight up called the Force just part of it besides it makes sense because one of the first things we *know* *about* the Force in the very first Star Wars movie is that it's a genetic thing considering Luke and Leia are strong in the Force because of their father. So yeah people why don't you explain how the Force was never genetic and how force sensitives have babies that are force sensitive 99% of the time?
I heard the arguement that people hated them because it sort of meant that not everyone could of been a Jedi, yet that seems rather odd to me as we already knew it was a genetic thing...
**edit hey its you not seeking out all your comments to reply to I sware!
Zero Cool I don't mind
"The Force is strong in my family", said Luke, and Yoda said the same thing, telling him to "pass it on".
It was established already in RotJ that the Force is genetic.
Absolutely brilliant..This is the most informative and imperitive video explanation I have ever seen on the STAR WARS Universe. Thank You.
I never, ever understood the constant bitching about midi-chlorians by the so-called "true fans." It was a useful plot device for TPM, and more importantly, it was completely consistent with the Expanded Universe, as it existed at the time. For example, it explained why Force-sensitivity seemed to be hereditary, how animals like the "ysalamiri" had a Force-deadening field, how a species like the Yuuzhan Vong could exist outside of it, and how in the Jedi Academy trilogy, the Emperor was found to have a Force-scanning device. The objections are simply misinformed crap, and it annoys me that *because* of those objections, we will never get to see George's proper Episodes VII-IX.
So there, haters.
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Maybe the problem was that those "true fans" were actually just "film only canon purists" who wouldn't accept the EU.
And when that minority spoke out, casual fans assumed "they must know what they're talking about because they're the people who camped out in front of theaters for two days dressed like a Rhodian"
So the vitriol became memetic and it was just "cool to hate" stuff.
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Dave Marx Quite so: SW hate is simply a tired meme that’s gone too far.
Not if we're talking about disney
Midichorians never really bothered me. Padmaê’s and Anakins underdeveloped love story does.
This! This is the explanation for what was bothering me about why there is so much "sheep hate" (as in blindly spreading, unquestioned, irrational, dogmatic hate) for the prequels and midichlorians in so much of the fandom, in the most hardcore and more casual part of it alike... now I see... it just became a meme, before the term "meme" was even a thing... and every new fan is pressured to hate the prequels by the hardcore bunch to be even considered a SW fan. That's just... depressing. I wonder what would happen if someone would spread this opinion/theory/fact/knowledge more.
I'm 39 y/o, and Empire was the first movie I saw in theaters. Before that, I saw STAR WARS (Now called "A New Hope") on Beta-Max. So I obviously grew up, AND older with the original trilogy. With that said...midichlorians never bothered me. I got it then, and it's sad that Thor Skywalker had to break down simple answers for 3 folks, at the time of this comment. Going with the former or latter theory, they both make sense, though the latter was a new way of looking at it, for me. But come on....HOW a Jedi senses the Force bothers you so much, that you have to twist it into the Force itself changed between movies? Come on!
Whenever an explanation is given to the Force, it should either raise more questions than it answers or be so hard to understand that it takes extensive study to truly comprehend. I feel that's what the midichlorians and the living/cosmic Force both did quite well. The midichlorians quantified the Force, yes, but they also raised questions about what and why they exist. The living/cosmic Force thing is so complicated that, even after detailed explanations from both Dave Filoni AND Thor Skywalker (truly the mightiest Skywalker since the Chosen One), I still can't make heads or tails of it.
Just my two cents. Which happened to be manufactured in the 40's, so they actually might be worth quite a bit on the black market...let me check Ebay real quick...
Would Anakin losing limbs, or any being for that matter, contribute to a loss of midi chlorians?
Flus Yes.
His potential in the Force got literally cut off with his limbs.
I've never quite agreed with that. I always figured the *trauma* had more to do with the loss of potential, not the actual injury.
A mind over matter kind of thing. We see Vader overcome his handicap and sustain himself using only the force on more than one occasion.
Just my view.
@@davemarx7856 The novelisation of the ROTS says that he loses his connection due to the injuries. The implication that as a Jedi he was not yet able to tap into the full potential, and that in time as a sith he is able to develop a strong connection which allows him to perform great feats none the less, which I think makes him a more tragic character, that only after he had lost most of his potential was he able to gain the maturity required to be able to access it.
I also don’t understand why people are so disturbed by the midi-chlorians. To me, it makes sense. It helps explain why certain people are stronger in the force, no matter their level of devotion, rather than people randomly being strong in the force for no apparent reason. It provides a “scientific explanation.” It also helps explain why it tends to run in families. I understood the midi-chlorians as a device by which force users could connect and communicate with the force, versus people who couldn’t. I also am fascinated by the mysteries of the force. I wish we could have explored it further.
Hi Thor! I love your videos, and I get the feeling that you might ironically understand Star Wars better than anybody at Lucasfilm. Watching this video made me think of a question that I don’t think you have fully answered yet: What exactly is the dark side? We know that it is sort of a corruption or sickness within the force, but where does it come from? And how do the sith draw it’s power? I feel like this could be a great topic for a future video. Thanks!
Those are great questions and will be the topic of a video in the very near future.
I honestly love midichlorians. It's very rare for fantasy stories to actually take a scientific look at magic. People truly misunderstood that midichlorians is the Force, instead of what it actually is: more of a way for the Force to be controlled by life in Star Wars
Thanks Thor. Another well thought out, brilliant synopsis.
Finally someone said what needed to be heard!
Honestly, I like your explanation of midichlorians and the distinction between the cosmic force and the living force. It helps keep the mysticism of the cosmic force, while helping the uninitiated understand the living force.
I never really loved the Midi-chlorians but I knew Yoda mentioned the Force being inside all beings and there had to be a way of seeing Anakin’s potential in the force in order for Qui-Gon to think he was the chosen one. I also never understood the complaints because it was just something to get the plot going and create (in my opinion) more intrigue in the Force because there’s still enough mystery to not know what fully happens in the Force itself. However, your explanation has fully sold me on them. Great job!
What I like about this is that so much is subjective. How the force, cosmic and life as well as mediclorians works could be debated on and on but at the end of the day, we can believe it works in such a way that suits our own personal beliefs or rather our own personal canon.
Thor Skywalker, I will never understand why these movie writers couldn't have half as much creativity and vision as you do. This is my favorite Star Wars channel, by the way.
I thought, and still do, the midichlorian concept was scientifically plausible. Consider the mitochondria in our cells. They produce ATP the energy fuel for our life processes plus several other vital functions. We have several symbiotic bacteria in our intestines that assist in proper digestion. It is quite possible that some similar tiny 1 cell being can be a symbiotic entity that can function as a 2 way communication system between us and the Force. Therefore the more one has, the greater the innate ability for connection to the Force.
Man I just want to watch later swords and space ship battles. LOL
J/k. Brilliant video.
Nate Avery
You wouldn't rather watch sooner swords?
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-Mitochondria- midichlorian, the -power house- intermediary of the -cell- force
In all seriousness I kinda feel bad for jumping on the midichlorian hate wagon all those years ago. Eventually I got over it and even came to find the concept interesting... but by that point, the damage had been done and we had all basically "reeee'd" George Lucas into never wanting to make another starwars film
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😟 to quote Anakin Skywalker... "What have I done?"
"Not just men... but the women, and the children too!"
The Midi-Chlorians are the powerhouse of the cell.
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Oh you and I are going to have to fight over this joke. I hope you know this means war
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This is the monologue about the force that the Phantom Menace needed. If some wise old Jedi (read: Yoda) had delivered this speech to an older (read: teenage/twenty year-old) Anakin who'd just been freed by and made friends with Obi-Wan and brought back to the temple, it would instantly improve the concept itself and execution of the film in question.
100% opinion.
fzdreaddy i agree with your opinion or my opinion his another? ^^^
If the Midi-Chlorians were responsible for the Force, Qui Gon would’ve said so rather than saying that they give us “knowledge” of the Force.
Exactly. Unfortunately people are not able to listen apparently.
#CLONEWARSISBACK!!!
This might be your best video ever.
The Last Jedi, made me miss when Midi Chlorians were what we complained about in Star Wars.
Trace Cinnamon
And trade disputes... oh well, no use dwelling on the past. 😧
I see it more as an understanding of organic correlation to the Force, not an explanation of the Force. It just adds depths and layers to an already deeply layered mystery. I wish people could understand. It's one of my favorite aspects of the lore and one of my favorite things about the prequels. Back before everyone made videos and wrote articles about how awful an idea midichlorians supposedly are, I remember exciting, detailed discussions of the lore.
For over a thousand hours, lore discussions were a source of awe and wonder in my small circles of friends... before the dark times... before the RLM reviews popularized sensationalist bandwagon hate.
I think people got mad about explaining any physical aspect of the Force. It had to be vague and wibbly wobbly mysticism. But from what I understand, Lucas included the Force as a way to spread spirituality in young people. We live in the real world and have scientific explanations for things, so you need a way to break through that. It's not done by rejecting the material and seperating it from the spiritual, but by combining the spiritual with the material. The Midichlorians are the physical mechanism that connects organism to the force, but the Force is beyond the powers of the Jedi or Sith. The force is in everyone and moves through everyone. The presence Midichlorians simply allow for creatures to know the force and work with it. Ultimately, the Midichlorians are important because they reaffirm the theme of symbiosis and the interconnectedness of life, which is what the Force is a metaphore for after all.
I think some things are best left unexplained.
Such as the force, yoda’s origin etc.
Adds a certain mystery to it and allows you to interpret it yourself.
One of the Ancient Mythological(possibly historical) figures inspired for Anakin is Gilgamesh. *Aside*:" the stars of Gilgamesh were the constellation Orion (ORIAN in feminine).,*
Gilgamesh claimed to be "Two-thirds god and one-third man", this is a real mystery... HOW CAN THIS BE?!?! Mathematically that doesn't add up.
This mystery would go on for thousands of years...
"MITOCHONDRIAL DNA" makes it possible where the mother can install more of herself into her fetus than normal: making such a Radical claim indeed surprisingly accurate!
" "MIDICHLORIACEA" a bacteria that is symbionts with a particular tick, because of mitochondria dna.
"Chloroplasts"(in green plant cells) a plastid that contains chlorophyll and in which photosynthesis takes place.
I just explained "MIDICHL"... ORIAN, as I said is feminine Orion. Anakin Skywalker had no physical father, so he is 100% his mother...
These were never your story's, a lot of work/research went into star wars. Its George Lucas story, that was already hinted at in the OT, that he always had planned....
*Anakin is Osiris/Montu/ Horus the Elder/Marduk/Lucifer/Cronus/Zues/Heracles/Ninurta/Ninus/Ashur/ and Darth Vader is Set/Nergal.. Shmi is Nut/Neith/Gaia/Danu/Ashera/Sophia/Martha.. Luke is Horus/Phoebus Apollo/Utu Shamash/Sol/Zues... Leia is Inanna/Diana/Artemis/Astarte/Isis/Minerva Athena/Aphrodite... Padme is Hathor/Hera/Metis/Isis/Ishtar/Istre/Astarte/Ashteroth/Aphrodite... Darth Plagueis is Lord Ea/Enki/Ptah/Yaldabaoth/Saklas/Samael/Kukulkhan*
NorthcuttCharles I know it’s not my story, and I get that it’s influenced by stuff, just personally think it’s a bit dumb for Darth Vader to basically be Jesus or whatever. Just takes away some of the mystery to it and wondering how he just came into existence is not a good enough trade off to have the force explained by a sudo science.
Less is more in a lot of cases in regards to storytelling.
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I think you should look up the Word "Mystery"- you'll be surprised it backs up my comment more than yours; Lucas never answered this mystery about the force yet, only expanded upon it. (And very little, seeing as the concept was hinted at in the OT) Also, Anakin/Vader was already named after SON OF GODS in the Original trilogy, well before the prequels. Its in Anakin Skywalker very name! (The real mystery, that I've given you some answers to but you don't care because you didn't do the work). I don't know why you and others are stuck on this mindset, but it's clear you heard about the amount of influence George got from ancient sources, yet don't care to read them.
How then can you even form this opinion of yours (which just seems like more parroting of other people views) when you fail to understand the actual Original Trilogy then go on carrying a grudge against truth...
Is it dumb? Not only is dumb used informally here, but in truth it's actually Genius.. but I know you prefer to be mystified so you won't do the research,..
*"The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know absolutely nothing about yet refuse to investigate"*
I agree on Yoda but this explains why Luke i herited powoers from Vader. You can't inherit spirituality.
I love your idea about the dark side killing Midichlorians.
One of the most misunderstood concepts in Star Wars. George Lucas has said that the midi-chlorians are the practical biological side, distinct from the spiritual and metaphysical side of the Force. For years since watching The Phantom Menace, I never understood why people would bitch about the midi-chlorians. George Lucas actually first conceived the midi-chlorians as early as 1977. They were not featured in the original trilogy because Lucas felt there wasn't enough time to introduce the concept.
I think you have over-complicated this one! We are told two things, both of which you have pointed out: that life generates the force and that the midichlorians are microscopic life forms in all living things that enable us to know the will of the force.
We are not told either that the midichlorians generate the force - either living or cosmic - nor are we told that they make you strong with the force. That latter is one possibility, of course, but it is also possible that a simpler explanation, as you point out, is that a high midichlorian count simply enables you to have a better sense of the will of the force.
Although many fans have assumed that the existence of midichlorians must mean this or that, and have hated their introduction based on what they assumed it meant, what is actually said on screen leaves room for many interpretations. We never got to see what GL intended so it was never pinned down. Presumably, given what little he has said about his plans for the sequel trilogy, we would have found out more but that is all moot now!
As for the Sith having a lower m/c count, again, not necessarily. It might be that Sith Lords know very well what the will of the force is but they ignore it.
Of course, all of this leads to a different, but related, problem - if the force really does have a will in the sense of an intentional purpose then you have to ask why does it make itself strong with or accessible to those who will not do its will? Or when we talk about the will of the force is it more a natural thing such as water always finds its own level and the force naturally wants to find the perfect balance point between all living things. I'd love to see a video with your thoughts on what the will of the force actually means!
Hey Thor great video. I have really been enjoying the content lately. Just asking, when do you plan on starting your next Star Wars story?
I know I've been saying this for awhile but I'm still working on putting together The Lost Jedi into one complete video (with a few fixes). Hopefully I'll be done with that soon and I can get back to storytelling.
Nice, good to know.
Great video!
I agree with most of what you said, but regarding the sith, I think they would have similar midi-chlorian counts to the Jedi as they seek to control the force. Essentially doing the opposite of what the Jedi are doing.
Thor Skywalker, loved the video. I put it in my good playlist. And some incouraging news, M count was mentioned the mandolorian for baby yoda!!! Maybe, who knows one day Dave filoni will give us the full George Lucas midochlorian treatment!!! 👍
To really understand the Force and midichlorians you need to know did the Force evolve from nothing (which is impossible) was it created (by what) or did the cosmic force just always exist? Idk where did it all come from? I really liked the explanation for a Sith's midichlorian count btw I never thought of that
Star Wars, the force, life, midi-chlorians, so confusing and mysterious, but mostly confusing. I think we all would like to one day understand all the secrets of the force and how it works, and exactly what it is. But that’s one thing that’s great about Star Wars, the mysteries of it.
At least so far as the Sith's midi chlorians, check out the novel Plagueis again, I believe there is a section where Plagueis manipulates the midi chlorians in another sith's body to kill and revive him over and over. Though I do not think it is ever specified exactly how many the sith had, it does show they needed to be present. Overall, Plagueis is a great book in my opinion because of how scientific Plagueis is when compared to Yoda or Qui Gon. It really showcases the differing viewpoints on the force. (and yes I know this is no longer canon but I think it is still a good reference point and expands on Sidious' explanation of Plagueis in Revenge of the Sith)
As always, i could not agree more with you. Please continue to put out awesome content like that. You are definitely my favorite Star Wars Channel here on youtube.
Greetings from Germany !
"Life creates it"
Isn't this just a case of Yoda grammar? Meaning, he really means "it creates life, makes life grow".
I never thought that. I think sometimes Lucas made Yoda speak clearly to make a point.
I actually think it was said in such a way by Yoda to make it ambiguous, that Yoda's backwards speech actually _is_ the point, deliberately designed to symbolize how things are circular, not simply straight forward as we percieve; i.e. both readings are true, as Thor Skywalker explained.
If that were true, he would have said “Life it creates”, not “Life creates it”.
Not at all. Yoda sometimes, where meaning is preserved, mirrors entire short phrases, sometimes not at all, and sometimes, _I believe,_ both. Of course there is no hard and fast rule to his grammar structure, just what he (and thus the writers) felt was most poetically fitting for each given point. Which I think only lends more credence to the idea of circular symbolism behind the line in question.
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i.e. _"Strong is Vader"_
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or: Vader is Strong
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Thus: _"Life creates it"_
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and: It creates life
But you can swap a subject and its adjective without changing the meaning of the sentence (as in “Strong is Vader”). But in this case, it’s not a matter of simply mirror imaging the sentence: you have to consider the relationship of the subject and the object in the sentence. For example, if Yoda meant “Rock beats scissors”, even by his inconsistent grammatical standards, he would never simply reverse it and say “Scissors beats rock”, as this would result in a complete change in meaning. Hence why he would need to modify the verb in this case, “Scissors is beaten by rock”.
They were just supposed to be carriers. George just never got the chance to explain them.
pretty much, also once explained I don't think fans would of had any issue. but they among many other things is not what made TPM get all the hate those were just the easy things to jump at. The movie had pacing and plot issues that could and should have been worked out all the little details like Midiclorians would of been less hated in that case...
I don't know I entirely agree with your description of the cosmic force and the living force, but I do like the idea of the Balance of the force being the balance between the Living and Cosmic force rather than light and dark. And maybe this is when the Jedi lost their way because they started seeing the battle being between light and dark rather than balance within the force: started medicating the symptoms rather than the disease as it were. Also liked the lower medichlorian count in the Sith idea as well. Perhaps furthermore, in bending the force to their will, they actually start demanding more flow of energy than what the midichlorians can handle, and actually start destroying the ones in their body; hindering their ability to conduct the living force. Maybe this is the Dark Side as it were.
Lucas could have called midichorlians the whills, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. It’s unfortunate that so many of his ideas are only taken at face value regarding the force, and how fans say he doesn’t even know his own movies. You could probably have a 3 hour discussion with George about the concepts of the Force, and he would still have more to say about it. It’s impossible to put the complexities of the force into one 2 hour movie. I’m saddened we won’t see exploration of the force in this sequel trilogy. It would have been nice to hear Luke acknowledge the midichorlians and how the Jedi Order turned its back on spirituality in favor of science. The best we will get into Lucas describing what the force is is the Yoda arc in The Lost Season of Clone Wars.
@thorskywalker, thanks for being a voice of reason among the Star Wars fans.
Thor, you should read this quote by Lucas about his beliefs on religion in real life. I think it gives insight to his design of the Force.
“Scholars who have studied myth and religion for many years and have connected all of the theories spawned over the ages about life and consciousness and who have taken away the superficial trappings, have come up with the same sensibility. They call it different things. They try to personify it and deal with it in different ways. But everybody seems to dress down the fact that life cannot be explained. The only reason for life is life. There is no why. We are. Life is beyond reason. One might think of life as a large organism, and we are but a small symbiotic part of it.
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It is possible that on a spiritual level we are all connected in a way that continues beyond the comings and goings of various life forms. My best guess is that we share a collective spirit or life force or consciousness that encompasses and goes beyond individual life forms. There’s a part of us that connects to other humans, connects to other animals, connects to plants, connects to the planet, connects to the universe. I don’t think we can understand it through any kind of verbal, written or intellectual means. But I do believe that we all know this, even if it is on a level beyond our normal conscious thoughts.
If we have a meaningful place in this process, it is to try to fit into a healthy, symbiotic relationship with other life force. Everybody, ultimately, is trying to reach a harmony with the other parts of the life force. And in trying to figure out what life is all about, we ultimately come down to expressions of compassion and love, helping the rest of the life force, caring about others without any conditions or expectations, without expecting to get anything in return. This is expressed in every religion, by every prophet.”
-George Lucas, “The Meaning of Life” Life Magazine 1991
I dont think Star Wars is about "balance" anymore. Disney is simply trying to tell stories, and unfortunately for them the "force" has to be part of that story. The lack of "traditional" force powers used in TLJ, and to some extant in TFA, is a good example of this. The force has become nothing more than a weak plot device used to advance a scene, rather than something that is used to enhance a scene. The midichlorians wont be brought up again because if it is, the writers may have to actually explain something that even they dont understand.
Sadly, I think you're right. I think (as time goes on) Star Wars is going to be less and less recognizable from what George Lucas originally created.
I actually love the idea of midichlorians. It just perfectly explains why some can use the force and others can’t, without bad reasoning like “the force works in mysterious ways”
I’m more of a science over fantasy guy in the sci-fi / fantasy genre, so if there is a scientific reasoning and mystic reasoning, I’ll always take the science reasoning
Omg...I saw a triad image of Darth venomous, Siduous and Darth Jar Jar ..in that cosmic shot!😄😊
Case in point: Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion in Knights of the Old Republic 2; both were powerful Sith Lords who threatened the balance of nature by feeding on life to extend their own and thus violating every natural law in a selfish, but understandable, fear of what lies beyond after death and the threat being rendered moot by essentially being recycled and repurposed by the Cosmic Force. But, as Gargoyles' Hudson says, "true immortality isn't living forever, it's what you do with the time you have"; leave behind an impact and you'll create a legacy that lives on forever (Darth Vader a prime example)
Thorskywalker I like the idea of Midichlorians just fine. I grew up with the prequels btw. I've noticed though that you and I have different ideas and theories on what the force is, how it works and what is it's true nature. I would love to discuss with you about it sometime.
There are few things I enjoy more than have friendly debates about Star Wars, especially when concerning the nature of the Force and the purpose of the Jedi.
Thor Skywalker Sweet! Ok so here's my understanding: There is only 1 Force. It is the source of all life and energy. It is self aware and sentient though impersonal. What I call The Force sounds like what you call the cosmic force (although I know you don't believe it to be self aware). I don't really use the term living force as I feel it is just a term that simply describes life itself that was created by The Force. So I simply just say life. However I do agree that the will of The Force is for the circle of life to continue uninterrupted and in harmony. Although I do consider all living things that die do have their energy or life force returned to The Force but I don't think it needs that energy per se or that it somehow depends on it to replenish or recharge itself, as The Force produces energy on it's own. That being said, it has a special connection with sentient and intelligent life through the Midichlorians bc it itself is sentient as well. Not sure if SW canon has established that ALL life has Midichlorians but I would think not and only sentient life does like aliens or humans. Which is why only they have the ability to actually use the force. I think the first sentient and intelligent life forms understood The Force and it's true nature. And The Force allowed them, through the Midichlorians, to be able to draw power from it and use the force but only in accordance to its will. However, in time some individuals discovered they could use the force for themselves and bend it to their own will. But as this is not it's purpose it causes great strain and resistance on the Midichlorians which in turn cause the cells to deteriorate. The Force does not like to be used against it's will which is why it started to guide those that were listening and wanted to do it's will to go and stop these individuals. The term "darkside" was created to describe what these individuals were doing: bending the force to their will and using it against it's will. That's what the darkside truly is, simply the potential The Force has to be used against it's will. I like to put it this way, imagine a hammer that is sentient and it has a will. A will to be used in accordance to its purpose: to be used as a tool. However the hammer also has the potential to be used as a weapon, something against it's original purpose and will. (One could say that is the "darkside" of the hammer) And when it is used this way it resists but of course it lacks the means to stop the individual from using it in that way. So instead it "communicates" with others that do want to use it correctly and guides them to go and stop that individual. Basically that is what The Force wants and does. That's why those that listen to The Force and follow it's will (like the Jedi) go and try to stop and eliminate the Sith (or those that use the force wrongly, against it's will). It's interesting that they are suppose to destroy the Sith and not the darkside bc the darkside can't be destroyed bc it's not really a thing or even a part of The Force. It is simply the potential The Force has to be used in a way it was never intended to be or against it's purpose and will. (Like the hammer). And that potential can never be elimated. Only those that seek to use it in that way can be elimated. And that's what The Force ultimately wants. That is what is described by the phrase "balance in The Force". It's not about balancing the darkside and light side of The Force bc in reality those things don't really exist. There is only The Force. (The term light side was created after the term darkside to simply contrast it) So I don't believe in the duality of the force but I do think that is a misunderstanding that came about at one point and took root. Which is why so many in the SW universe subscribe to that ideology including the Jedi, Sith, Grey Jedi, etc. Even though in actuality they are all wrong.
Thor Skywalker Actually allow me to adjust some things. I remember Qui Gon's conversation with Ani and he does state that midichlorians are inside all living things. So I think as all life is created by The Force, the Midichlorians are a sort of residual effect from that act of creation. Which is why all life forms do have Midichlorians and that the amount of that residue is random (for the most part). Which is why, for example, plant life could have high Midichlorian counts and be strong In the force like the force trees. But since plant life is not intelligent it lacks the ability to communicate with the Midichlorians and use the force. Where as intelligent life forms like alien and human races do.
Some interesting ideas here and we are on similar pages when it comes to the Force. I'm curious, have you ever seen the Yoda story arc from season six of The Clone Wars?
Thor Skywalker Actually no. I'm pretty bad when it comes to the stuff outside the movies. I know about some stuff here and there but haven't really seen the shows straight through from start to finish. I am starting to though. Why, what does that story reveal?
Love the idea. Miss the old canon and books
Great video brotha.
This is just pure conjecture but I think the power comparison between Jedi and Sith can be made apparent if you liken them metaphorically to batteries; specifically lead acid batteries like the ones you use in a car.
See if mitichlorians are to the force as amperage/amps are to the amount of electrical power a battery can hold, then basically force sensitives are giant batteries of useable life force. Now back to how I would relate this to lead acid batteries;
The thing about these batteries is that they are not made to be drained all the way down to zero(deep cycled) like you would a cell phone. That is whatever the batteries are rated for, you are not to use them past 50% because doing so significantly lowers their shelf life. Now back to how this relates to the Jedi and Sith. The Jedi are pious in maintaining their own power balance in the force which gives them virtually no side effects at the cost of curbing off their peak potential. The Sith on the other hand gear themselves for optimal performance in the short term at the cost of their own longevity.
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Some typos in there but I understand and can agree
Dave Marx Thank you.
My headcanon was always something like this: that midichlorians live off the force like a plant lives off sunlight and when somebody is strong with the force, their connection to it is stronger and they act kind of as a "well" for the force to manifest itself, and the midichlorians thrive in people like this so midichlorian count is a good way to tell how strong someone is with the force. I wasn't *that* far from this video I don't think.
My headcanon was they were force sensitive microorganisms that were merely attracted to powerful force users. They didnt generate the Force itself, they just liked to congregate on powerful force users making them useful in determining a force user's power. They also start feeding on a force users body as they turn to the dark side, which is why dark side user's flesh became corrupted over time.
the way i see it, the midiclorians measure the potential and make it easier to use the force. the energy which makes up the force creates a web on three levels, not 2. the cosmic connects everything, in the past, present and future; the living force between all multi-cellular life, and the midiclorians within each individual creates a web between all their cells. more midichlorians means there is more force energy naturally existing within the individual making it easier to use instinctively and learn more easily.
I think you nailed what George was after
I thought they made sense from the start and I grew up with the prequels, but saw the originals first. The force was already implied to have a biological side or else sensitivity to it couldn't be genetic. If it was 100% spiritual, anyone could become a jedi or sith and it wouldn't make any sense for Luke or Leia to be force sensitive even without heavy training; they being Anakin's offspring and thus he passed it onto them makes it very logical. I always thought of the midichlorians kinda like the middle-men of the force as the video describes, or as my animal loving mind thought, like remora fish hitching a ride on a shark. They sense someone is strong in the force and bond to them to help them out.
I saw empire as 5 year old in theater and mid colorians don't bother me at all. Cool concept.
Midichlorians were always phisical indication of being force sensitive. James Luceno even made them more awesome in Darth Plagueis novel.
George always had them planned... and they were also hinted at towards in the OT. (But these "purists" are too proud to accept their folly)
I mean George IS God of the Star Wars universe.
NorthcuttCharles Where are they hinted at in OT?
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"That boy is our last hope" "no there is another"... "then the emperor has already one, you were our only hope... that other you spoke of is your twin sister... the emperor new, as I did, that should Anakin have any offspring, they would be a threat to him" "the son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi"
Even though the force surrounds and binds all living things, these quotes imply there is something more physical than what there appears... why else wouldn't Ben Kenobi just teach the whole Rebellion to be Jedi, unless force potential was an obvious issue!
NorthcuttCharles exactly. That's why I hate star wars explained. He said the force is usable by anyone at any level as long as you have faith. He thinks it's okay for someone like Han to be just as skilled or even more so then Yoda as long as he believes hard enough....ugh.
BOB IGOR RUINED STAR WARS NOT JUST KATHLEEN
Bob Igor?
"I really hate that man"- John Hammond.
I disagree that Lucas is God of the Star Wars universe. He came up with the basic idea and story, yes, but Star Wars was also shaped by so many other people, like Mark Hamill, Carrie Fischer, Alex Guiness, the screenwriters, John Williams, and so on. Hell, the first movie almost ended up a crappy B movie were it not for the incredible editing efforts of his wife and his editing crew.
To me, Star Was has and always will belong to everyone. There can be "canon", sure, but that's ultimately just to keep they basic stories consistent for marketing purposes. Star Wars is like Don Quiote or Little Red Riding Hood or Heracles; it doesn't belong to any one person, it's for everyone who's inspired by it.
Personally I agree with the fact that Mediclorians were the first life forms in the Star Wars galaxy, I believe Qui-Gon was only speculating when he said that they communicate the will of the Force or that they reside in one's cells.
What I think is, Mediclorians are extremely strong with the Force, strong enough to connect to the Cosmic Force, due to them being the very first life in the galaxy.
I also agree that they opperate under one colective consciousness, although I don't think they're senescent, and they are just naturally attracted to very strong Force-users and they exist in and around the Force-user's body. Not specifically in their cells, that's just how the Jedi of the prequels perceived it.
So, that's just what I think about the Mediclorians.
However, I am very intrigued by your speculation of how the Sith become deformed by their usage of the dark side and selfish nature. I would definatly like to see a video on that sometime soon!
8:50 it's interesting your theory. But if you read Darth Plaguies book it seems like the dark side of force does distort the user as you face. Eyes for examples. And Palpatine during his training is wondering will that happen to him. And plaguies says a sith doesn't fear these changes but embraces these changes becoming one with the dark side of the force. Sunking eyes and sort of "dark looking" seems to be case of this. It's really eye opening stuff. On how a sith sees themselves. They see themselves as masters over the force controlling it rather than summing help from the force or alliance like the jedi do.
Yes! Someone who gets it!
We need a movie about the Whills
lol Suddenly everyone claims they love Midi-Chlorians, have always loved them and never understood how anybody could not love them. Back then it was like everyone hated the very idea. I hated it. Some wrote songs about how George Lucas ruined Star Wars. I didn't hate it that much. I just ignored the scene where they were mentioned.
Though I have to admit, this explanation saves the day. If only the Phantom Menace presented it like that. The Force is still the Force. That's all we needed to hear.
I agree Thor, some over reacted to the micro scopic organisms in phantom. To me, it was just one more puzzle piece, and I dismissed it as nonessential to George's story
I like medi chlorians because I always thought of medi chlorians the same way as you do. The way that you explained the sith is a little bit different. But I kind of like your idea better.
I actually love the idea of midichlorians. Many elite Olympic athletes actually have higher than average mitochondria counts, giving them the advantage of using more energy, and thus being able to do more physically than the average person. Mitochondrial density can also be mildly affected by training, and studies have shown that training can even alter gene expression. with training, even those not blessed in all areas by genetics, can compete at the highest level. genetically gifted individuals also need to work for it, no matter who you are, as Luke says in the mandalorian, talent without training is nothing.
The introduction of Midi Chlorians changed Star Wars from fantasy to science fiction and that was the distinction between Star Wars and Star Trek. It was the beginning of the end of Star Wars.
I find it hilariously ironic that many people who like these movies prefer math and science over religion, while they hate the idea that the mystical energy field has a scientific basis of identification and mathematical system of measurement.
Also, it would be amazing if IX ended with Rey (and maybe Kylo) dissolved into the purest form of Midichlorians and forged with the Whills to restore balance to the Force.
I prefer religion AND I don't like the explanation of the Force :p
Do you have a phD in Star Wars.
darth plagueis novel even goes into futher detail. And even non-force users have it. As he finds out. He even finds out species Watto like species are not able to influenced by the force suggestion. They've evolved to have this counter too it. Which is interesting. Watto's species isn't the only the only species that naturally have a force blocker. But midcholorians are how a force user interacts with the force. Infact Plaguies master was going to create a virus that attacked them. But as Plaguies says it's dumb considering we as sith use the same method. Plaguies can revive people later on but he finds out he can't do it too himself. So if he wants to be imortal he will need a partner. That's why he needs Palpatine in order to keep both alive. As he Plaguies says it's not apprentence he's looking for but a partner. And he really means it when he would never hold anything back from Palpatine. While he did use the apprentice and master role at the start to teach. And keep Palpatine from seeking old tales which was Palpatine wanted the most. That was his biggest desire is to read the old sith legends. Plaguies knows this so after the failed assassination. Palpatine goes on a killing spree against the ones who did it to his master. Which is just cool. He shows Palpatine his desire the treasure of sith knowledge.
But midi Chlorians don't equal how powerful you will be. They are merely way to interact with the force. But as you pointed out more doesn't mean your the most powerful. Anakin has a high count because he's the chosen one and not only that was a being created by the force. Thanks to plaguies.
Great vid, can’t wait for your next fan fic though
The theology in Star Wars is deep. I have a Master's Degree in Theological Studies, and sometimes I think Lucas understands God better than most Christian theologians.
Look at Christian Trinitarian Panentheism, and compare it to the Force and you'll find some interesting parallels.
6:37 just want to add in the EU Mace Windu is very much a republic style of jedi. He does what's best for the republic. So on the council you have these different versions of jedi. With their own thoughts and differ from other jedi. There was a great comic though it was about a jedi that left temple and followed the force. The force Guided her to mission with obi wan to stop a virus with Count Dooku behind it. She wasn't messaged or received anything she was just guided to that point in time by the force. It's even been theorized the force let her not age.
"Midi-Chlorians suck!"
"Do you like Harry Potter?"
"...Yeah?"
"Do you hate Wizard Blood?"
"...Oh."
I imagine midichlorians as yoda like beings. Yoda is in fact, a big midichlorian.
Quigon visually inspects Anakins sample and it's just hundreds of microscopic Yoda heads going "mmm haha mmm mmm MMM mine mine mmm"
I thought he was a grown up Mogwai
Dave Marx LOL
Midi-chlorians are the PowerHouse of the Jedi
I'm definitely okay with mediclorians, but really the only way they could be brought back was with a force ghost, ahsoka, or some recently found book or something that would basically seem like a deus ex machina thing
I wanna learn more about the force. I mean; what makes mystery schools intriguing is the mystery, but they could show it. Kind of like they did in Clone Wars and Rebels, or the Vader graphic series. Just... a bit more. They have tempels, Sith and Jedi. What do they even do, there, you know? I wanna see some dark sith scorcery, Crowleyesque mad chanting and manifestations of Will. And the heck do jedis do in the temples? Just train and meditate? Give me some drama. Show, don't tell and they can kinda keep the mysteries.
The one thing that's never been clarified is where life in the galaxy came from, don't get me wrong I love the idea of the force having some sort of explanation, and I was fascinated by the idea of midichlorians and often wondered if they created life anyway, but surely if something like the midichlorians is to become important then how life came about to create the force to begin with is important too?
Midi chlorines, when Lucas turned the mystical Force into a blood disease.
No luminous beings aren't an energy as a being has sentience, energy is just energy. So I'm going to disagree with you.
Revealing the force' true secrets is the kind of thing GL would have done in his final episode, the very end of the story.
I think it’s unfair to judge the idea of midiclorians bcuz GL has said he was going to further explain them throughout the trilogy. But I think the simple explanation is that they are the “conscience” of Force user. It’s how the Force communicates to them.
Ryan Young
I prefer to think of them as an indicator for how easily one might connect with the force. That all living creatures have some amount of midichlorian and, though a high concentration was beneficial, anyone could train to make that connection... it would just be hard and frustrating.
The sith tend to seek out apprentice not by midocholorians but sensing the force within someone. Plaguies was actually setup. His father had a slight future sight ability. And his mother was darth tenebrous agent. She was clearly a force user but not sith worthy. So Tenebrous had this couple mate. Make a child that would Darth Plaguies and become Darth Tenebrous apprentice. What's actually interesting is that it's like nearly a 100 years master and apprentice. With both their species having longer life spans than the normal human. But as darth Plaguies notes it seems the force favours humans. And has allowed them to kinda take over the galaxy. Almost like the force is favouring them. You know the force is talked about as living thing. Plagueis even says it must be a human who becomes chancellor. That's why he loves that he found Palpatine. Since the republic being human dominated on many planets. Since humans dominated alot of planets. Have alot of power. Senator of Naboo was perfect it wasn't originally part of the republic. It wasn't part of the core worlds too. It was human majority held. Until Palpatine and Plaguies took over the rulers using politics. And eventually executing them. When Padmae becomes queen. Yea the nobels of Naboo didn't like the commoners becoming kings or queens. While it was election. It was very in favour of the ruling nobels.
3:00 - I thought it was a beautiful explanation, very well said.
I think Dark Side users might have high midichlorian counts too. They meditate and listen to the Force, but I think it's a similar but different religion from the Light Side. I don't think Palpatine was lying when he said the Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way. He also said that Darth Plagueis used the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life. Did he mean their own midichlorians or the midichlorians of the people he wanted to save or create?
I actually never was mad about the midichlorians