Lenovo Tab Plus Review - 90hz and Nice Speakers - Black Friday Android Tablet

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  • @jonathonearl482
    @jonathonearl482 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I have it! The sound system on this one is phenomenal! I have the 256GB version with a 2TB micro sd card installed.

  • @jnb756
    @jnb756 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    first tablet that has caught my interest in years - price isn't bad either

    • @Anthony-og2ss
      @Anthony-og2ss หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same here...😊❤

  • @michael_c2
    @michael_c2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    I wish more companies would have built-in kickstands on the tablets. You don't need to worry about wireless charging for most of these. So there's not much in the way of a downside.

    • @jonwik7056
      @jonwik7056 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @michaelcorcoran8768 no thx

  • @derikhancock1224
    @derikhancock1224 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I bought this tablet, almost immediately when it came out. The speaker setup caught my eye. I must say it sounds great and the performance is just fine for the price point. I love it

  • @tonymancini9958
    @tonymancini9958 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thank you for reviewing this tablet! I have been watching and liking your videos for years and I enjoy them. I am so glad you called attention to this tablet. I just bought the 256GB version with a protective sleeve from Best Buy for $249 and I absolutely love it. For the money it is fantastic and the unique feature set of this tablet are what sold me. Just to clarify a few things, this tablet ships with Android 14 and Lenovo is promising two OS upgrades to Android 15 and 16. It will receive four years of monthly security updates as you said. I think consumers need to look at Lenovo tablets as a nice alternative to Samsung as they offer good value. I am amazed at the quality of the speakers, for music this tablet is absolutely incredible.

  • @oscarbarrios
    @oscarbarrios 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The tablet was on Loanovo. Sorry, Lon, couldn't resist. (Love your content man)

  • @augmach5
    @augmach5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Bought this unit - 256GB - $245 from Lenovo - It's great. Tried an ipad - No thanks - Samsung UI always does something bizarre. The kickstand, amazing speakers and design suit me well . Not a generic slab.

    • @bobasquid3339
      @bobasquid3339 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How is it for gaming? Cod warzone, Diablo immortal etc

    • @ChińskaKura
      @ChińskaKura 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bobasquid3339 well it has mediatek g99, so it wont be a great gaming device, but some less cpu demanding games should work fine

    • @seekgame2944
      @seekgame2944 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@augmach5 hows the display ?

    • @augmach5
      @augmach5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great for me - ​@@seekgame2944

    • @Anthony-og2ss
      @Anthony-og2ss หลายเดือนก่อน

      ❤❤❤

  • @SkyVenomMC
    @SkyVenomMC 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i highly reccomend this tablet The kickstand is so handy, the speakers are amazing and the screen looks fantastic. feels snappy and the expandable storage is a must have on a tablet imo

    • @Anthony-og2ss
      @Anthony-og2ss หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are"....just what i wamted to hear!😊❤

  • @yogasounds1
    @yogasounds1 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    At first I bought Lenovo M11 then I went and exchanged it for the Tab Plus. I couldn't be happier! The Lenovo Tab Plus is an amazing tablet. The reviewer is not being fair on all of its many great features. I certainly recommend it!

    • @Anthony-og2ss
      @Anthony-og2ss หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I just opened mine, this evenimg ! 😊❤

    • @lickshotpalmer1
      @lickshotpalmer1 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hi, could you say if it has support for a magnetic keyboard?

    • @lickshotpalmer1
      @lickshotpalmer1 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Anthony-og2ss Hi, could you say if it has support for a magnetic keyboard?

  • @alliejr
    @alliejr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Excellent! I believe most “tablet denial-ists” misunderstand the golden use-case: portable media consumption. My iPod does nothing else (even though it can). It’s storage is packed with media and I mostly use it offline when on the go and also for streaming from anywhere in the house.

  • @MisterPikol
    @MisterPikol 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    looking good in glasses, Lon !
    im happy more and more companies introduce the desktop mode for their devices

  • @marks-the-spot
    @marks-the-spot 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks, Lon. That is a nicely designed tablet for media consumption. A little more processing power and a little less bloatware and it might have been my next tablet.

  • @kathhollandful
    @kathhollandful 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great review. You gave so much information so concisely. No chatting and messing about! Great! 🇬🇧

  • @camberwellcarrot420
    @camberwellcarrot420 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Watching this on a Lenovo Tab M10 Plus 3rd Gen (that's a mouthful). It's a really good tablet for the price. It has a great battery saving mode you can put it in to preserve the battery if you have it mostly plugged in. It doesn't charge until it's below 40 percent and charges only to 60 percent. The battery should last many years the way I use it.

  • @AABB-kh9eb
    @AABB-kh9eb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'll definitely consider this when it comes time to purchase a new tablet. 👍

  • @ravagingwolverine666
    @ravagingwolverine666 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good review and an interesting tablet. Those speakers looked like laptop PC card slots at first, but I knew that couldn't be it. I think sound has been an issue with a lot of mainstream tablets in the past, so this is a nice idea. At $180, it's not bad when compared to the list prices of the Amazon Fire Max 11 or Wal Mart's Onn 11 Pro considering it has that speaker setup. It's worth mentioning for those unaware that, while far from a high-end chip, the G99 is the same chip used in the first Onn Pro 11 which reviewed very well and was their top offering. It is also very similar to the chip Amazon uses in the Fire Max 11 which is just a little bit faster. The G99 uses A76 cores for its big cores and the Fire's chip uses A78 cores. These are still very capable CPUs for tablets meant for internet and media use. It's a far cry from the days of budget chips that were all A53 cores. Some people act like these tablet chips are super low end. To put it in perspective, I have a Fire HD10 2021 model with a chip with A73 cores(a fast big core back in the day) and it's still very usable for internet stuff. General media stuff is trivial and can be handled fine by chips way older and much lower end than a G99.
    Some might say to get an ipad instead. On paper, the performance makes that an interesting proposition. But for those of us who either won't buy Apple stuff because we don't like how they do business, or those who dislike their software design or ecosystem, that's not really a viable option. Compared to other Android tablets, this one seems good at the $180 price tag with that sound system.

  • @mpa324
    @mpa324 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I just got mine yesterday, the speakers are great, there's a little bit of bass to it, it's like those Alexa or google speakers, possibly better with Dolby atmos.

    • @Anthony-og2ss
      @Anthony-og2ss หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just bought mine yesterday ! Havent opened it yet...😊❤

  • @TedinNY
    @TedinNY 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    GREAT REVIEW! VERY USEFUL! THANK YOU!

  • @U227-x8d
    @U227-x8d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whats up Lonny? Thanks for reviewing this.

  • @ArthurZazueta
    @ArthurZazueta 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've never cared about a camera on my tablet. I have a phone with a great camera and a really nice DSLR. I just bought this for the sound quality. And viewing photos in my own gallery

  • @sintram10
    @sintram10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Looks like great value

  • @gmosc
    @gmosc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If you said "the best sound of any tablet" as many times as you said "it isn't as good as an iPad" you might have done it a little more justice.
    I bought it sight unseen, based with the claim that it had the best sound, even "better than or comparable to an ipad pro" you do know what ipad pros cost right?
    I already have a lenovo tablet with a kickstand/handle so I appreciate that feature.
    The fast charging is also very nice to have.
    These two features, best sound and fast charging really set this tablet apart.
    Oh, and did I say it was cheap?
    The price makes it almost an impulse purchase. It won't break the bank to buy it on a whim.
    Also it is possible to use it as an external monitor for a pc using a simple program like space desk. And it then gives touch input ti the computer. Also the pen that can be bought for it will then work for the computer, too.
    Thanks for spending time with the device.

    • @gmosc
      @gmosc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To use my android tablets as an external monitor for windows, with touch capabilities, actually I mostly use Super Display but some of my computers work better with space desk.

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is a cheaper tablet for light use and media consumption. But it has a three-year-old slow chip that is well behind the latest base iPads. It also only gets two years of OS updates compared to six on the iPad. Also, the iPads are around the same price and have better accessories, e.g., keyboard cases. It has its place, but I watch a lot of HDR, so that is a deal breaker as the Lenovo does not have that.

    • @gmosc
      @gmosc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @andyH_England your desire for HDR alone makes it a deal breaker. That's cool. If I remember correctly, the security updates are 4 years. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Apple bundles stuff into OS updates whereas many of those things come in android security updates.
      One deal breaker for me is that my religion (self created) is not giving any money to apple or Elon. So that is a deal breaker for me, but I read up on apple and often help my apple using friends to solve their apple problems cuz many (like them) don't really follow the tech. Peace.

    • @gmosc
      @gmosc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @andyH_England oh, and by the way, I have the tablet and not once in my use did I complain about the chip speed. (I don't play games)
      The screen ratio makes wider content look larger than on ipads that create larger black bars top and bottom.
      And my main point is that the SOUND is good. Already, twice I've had comments from my apple using friends saying, "What IS that?!? It sounds good". Listen to one and see if the sound doesn't raise its value a tad, although not for your HDR needs.

    • @jussikankinen9409
      @jussikankinen9409 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Better sounds than ipads

  • @bbgarnettTotallyNotABot
    @bbgarnettTotallyNotABot 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep up the great work

  • @natskar
    @natskar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always been a fan of Lenovo’s tablets (some of them). I use an ipad Pro now due to it just being great for anything I do with the stylus (apple pencil), processor, and screen all being reliable and dependable. But if not for work and school, I’d probably consider one more than I do now. Price alone, even though it’s mostly for media consumption, is still exponentially cheaper than an ipad pro lol. I’d wager I would still take it though over the base model ipad because it has better speakers and (imo) screen. I just can’t recommend the regular ipad because of the unlaminated screen on it, once you notice it, you just can’t un-notice it

  • @michael_c2
    @michael_c2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    No video output is kind of a bummer. Like even the Lenovo duet 10-in version will give you video output. Or you could buy like a used Galaxy tab s6 or something or S7. But it's hardly all that unusual I think even the first generation pixel and OnePlus tablet don't have video output.

    • @RidwanGosal
      @RidwanGosal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah i think it's kinda hilarious that this one a tablet with proper kickstand can't be used as input for bigger screen, and an external monitor for other devices. My guess is the SOC doesn't support it, i wouldn't mind paying more for the same tablet with these extra features built-in.

    • @gmosc
      @gmosc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@RidwanGosal I have this and the more powerful and bigger yoga tab13 that has HDMI INPUT and I rarely use that input since there are at least 2 useful apps that turn any (even much older tablets) into extra screens for a PC. Those apps are Super Display and Space desk. There might even be more by now.

    • @gmosc
      @gmosc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RidwanGosal I have this and the more powerful and bigger yoga tab13 that has HDMI INPUT and I rarely use that input since there are at least 2 useful apps that turn any (even much older tablets) into extra screens for a PC. Those apps are Super Display and Space desk. There might even be more by now.

    • @lescarpio
      @lescarpio 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michael_c2 you can always cast the screen, but totally get the reasoning for the need to have cabled video out.

  • @leskaighin8903
    @leskaighin8903 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That kick stand looks good, the sound spread to be great. Like the ear phone socket and the sd card. A pity though that they're is no video out.

    • @jussikankinen9409
      @jussikankinen9409 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why need video out, why not just open video if that what doing if had video out

    • @leskaighin8903
      @leskaighin8903 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jussikankinen9409 video out would allow use with a projector for presentations

  • @sprockkets
    @sprockkets 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is nice in a way. Too bad Lenovo won't sell the Legion tablet here. Totl snapdragon in a 8 ish inch tablet.

  • @Specialresident
    @Specialresident หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sososo happy they kept the stand built in. its the reson i stick with lenovo and the reason i wont buy tablets unless the stand is buikl into the tablet. Not a fan of the large black border on the screen, makes it look old fasioned.

  • @peber13
    @peber13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Looks perfect for my kids to watch TH-cam kids

    • @jussikankinen9409
      @jussikankinen9409 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cheaper tablet better for ur children

  • @RougeRaid
    @RougeRaid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i believe you cannot work with external monitor because the usb c only do audio output and not video. also, lenovo added so many bloatware games and other apps

  • @MrChanw11
    @MrChanw11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Front camera looks more than acceptable

  • @traviscunningham_1
    @traviscunningham_1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wrongly,
    I thought those slots on the side were for SSD’s you could insert in that slot.

  • @parkhyungkim7667
    @parkhyungkim7667 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With Lenovo, you will have years of hoping there will be a security update.

  • @maricallo6143
    @maricallo6143 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please stop quoting NTSC gamut coverage as if it's still or ever has been a thing when it comes to modern devices. It says nothing about how good the support for modern display color spaces like sRGB or DCI-P3 is. NTSC primaries are skewed in comparison with, say, sRGB so it doesn't mean that sRGB coverage is bad if NTSC coverage is bad.

  • @DigitalSamTV
    @DigitalSamTV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great vid cheers. Im wondering how this compares in sound quality a d sound loudness to a mini Bluetooth speaker? (Something like the bose soundlink micro or jbl clip 4) ... Is it as good and as loud, if so i could get this to replace that and have less stuff to travel with. Plz tell me 😊

  • @CaptainCaveman1170
    @CaptainCaveman1170 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm convinced that some significant percentage of the population that currently suffers through windows, particularly at home, could get by 100% with any android machine that comes with a desktop mode. As Lon pointed out, there's no good reason for this lovely machine to have a desktop mode...and no video out. Lenovo is too smart to miss that, so to me that's corporate politics at play...as in "don't cannibalize our more lucrarive windows machines!". I am zany enough to believe that Microsoft is actively tapping on OEM shoulders to make sure they keep android desktops from becoming "a thing". because other companies also get right up to the line but never actually cross it. A real shame in my opinion.

  • @ttfidrat
    @ttfidrat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Lenovo tab p11 pro Gen 2 is the best tablet ever made and there will never be one made as good as this one for the price. It's discontinued now and it's sad nobody will ever make another one like it.

    • @kidbluboo
      @kidbluboo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ttfidrat the p12 pro 12gb is the best and its also been discontinued

    • @bomberwarren
      @bomberwarren 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ttfidrat agreed, love the kickstand

  • @rajahua6268
    @rajahua6268 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does it allows to be used as portable monitor i.e. use it as second monitor by plugging in to USB-C port from PC connection?

  • @ORION2180
    @ORION2180 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the only feature missing on this to make it a 100 is a matte screen. I can't stand glass reflection and I absolutely hate applying screen protectors. Oh well.

  • @NINJA_INVESTORS
    @NINJA_INVESTORS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Stop comparing everything to Apple bro. Compare it with tablets in similar price bracket

    • @CaptainCaveman1170
      @CaptainCaveman1170 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Whether we like it or not (and I don't) normal people default to the Apple product, so that is the baseline comparison. That's not changing any time soon and Lon can't just direct his channel to nerds. That being said, you're totally right in the sense that Apple has nothing that really competes with this due to the price point.

    • @NINJA_INVESTORS
      @NINJA_INVESTORS 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @CaptainCaveman1170 Normal people? What does that even mean?

  • @diuran1919
    @diuran1919 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    no usb c with video out, PD hmm almost there but not yet.

  • @binaryNomad_yt
    @binaryNomad_yt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kindly sir please 🙏🏻 can you show how to cast this to my window device unable to do

  • @DigitalSamTV
    @DigitalSamTV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you compare this with the Lenovo p12

  • @MohammadAshrafHussainDPatel
    @MohammadAshrafHussainDPatel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey hi
    I want to know how to set app lock on this device Lenovo tab Plus.
    Thanks

  • @alexr7920
    @alexr7920 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does it do 4k video playback? Like would it play TH-cam 4k videos in 4k?

  • @JoeAnshien
    @JoeAnshien 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Waiting for the Legion 8" with snapdragon 3 v3.

  • @ramman82
    @ramman82 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do I find a file folder for saving pdf or Word processing documents?

  • @TheSnoopyclone
    @TheSnoopyclone 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When browsing, how many tabs can you have open?

  • @jonwik7056
    @jonwik7056 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just get google pixel tablet with smart speaker dock.

  • @justunwindwithnature
    @justunwindwithnature หลายเดือนก่อน

    They released this before releasing a better duet 5 ? Lenovo is kidding me

  • @vincebaker3384
    @vincebaker3384 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a 2 TB 2.5 inch portabul HD with about 1200 movies on it can I plug it in to this tablet & watch movies with VLC media player?

    • @kentyler3962
      @kentyler3962 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It has a USB-C port that should allow an external HD or thumb drive.

    • @vincebaker3384
      @vincebaker3384 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kentyler3962 Thanks 🙂

    • @matthewjbauer1990
      @matthewjbauer1990 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, you should be able to. Android supports that feature. However, I don't know the max bandwidth of the USB-C port given that its wired for USB 2.0. That just means that its using the old school USB standard over USB-C and it is slow for data transfer speeds. How slow, not sure. I have the Lenovo M10 G3 and it's USB-C is 2.0 and slow, almost too slow for real data transfer, so I just have a 512GB MicroSD in it for all my media (I don't have a lot of local media as I stream everything).

    • @jussikankinen9409
      @jussikankinen9409 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fbi hinted

  • @jothain
    @jothain 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wasted possibility. They could've easily made Home Assistant / other home automation control unit by adding removable battery to that thick chin. It's really bizarre that almost no manufacturer realizes that there would be a need for tablet style deivces that are powered from wall 24/7. Good ol' Nokia style removable battery and it would be solved. Not gonna buy. Fro HA usage, I would buy one.

  • @crosswhite17
    @crosswhite17 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Of this ran Chrome OS, I would consider it. Android tablets are not for me.

  • @mymultimedia303
    @mymultimedia303 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A9 plus is better for similar price

  • @andychow8938
    @andychow8938 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Expensive at this price I can get a 12.7 inch with dimensity 8300

  • @JackRabbit72380
    @JackRabbit72380 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lon where did you learn how to drive lol

  • @MrJeet-p9i
    @MrJeet-p9i 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice unit !

  • @TheSnoopyclone
    @TheSnoopyclone 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    11:52 Omg. Dude this thing is how much? $180 are you insane. You can get an iPad 10 for less than $250 and it’ll blow this thing out of the water.

    • @augmach5
      @augmach5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Got an iPad after being out of that eco system for ten years and hated it. Something as simple as adjusting the display takes you into a sub-menu, was always getting a red check warning about not syncing to some apple cloud portal that I could care less about. Nice screen and fingerprint sensor but with that backwards Apple UI and such I was so happy to finally dump that off to someone three days ago. I'll take the older media tech in exchange for a better for me UI, speakers, kickstand and form factor.

    • @simon-df9wh
      @simon-df9wh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheSnoopyclone well anyone going for this is not a apple user, 2 for the same amount of storage it is twice the price and that is for a second hand one, 3 this is a device for consuming Media, it's good for that, 4 you can slot in more storage, you can get a 1tb micro SD card, that is a lot of videos to watch, or have a lot of pictures, with apple, you would need a new device.

  • @eyeonart6865
    @eyeonart6865 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I boycott them over bad business practices in that they have never did updates. Over two years and no updates. I boycotted Microsoft for ruining two of my laptops with bad updates.

  • @FLOODOFSINS
    @FLOODOFSINS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are you going to get the new Amazon 21 inch tablet?

  • @CF542
    @CF542 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lenovo does not have a stellar record for future Android upgrades or regular security updates. They tend to release decent tablets like this, but then that's it. For that reason, I will stick to larger tablet makers that guarantee updates and upgrades for at least 3 years or more.

  • @alejandrogalli5286
    @alejandrogalli5286 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nice hardware but lenovo software its so bad

  • @MandoMTL
    @MandoMTL 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2 year old Mediatek SOC is weaker than a 7 year old Qualcomm SOC (SD 835). Yeesh. Really nice tablet otherwise.

    • @RidwanGosal
      @RidwanGosal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The SOC is a dime a dozen and being sold in many entry lvl and budget phones and tablets. I have one myself when it was still being sold relatively premium for its intended market, but now there are many2 cheaper tablets with this SOC and i honestly don't mind. The dedicated kickback and audio speakers r its main selling point, if you want stronger processor you need to buy midrange tablet like iPad or Xiaomi Pad.

  • @matthewjbauer1990
    @matthewjbauer1990 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would recommend a Samsung tab A9 or A9+ instead of anything Lenovo tablet running Mediatek, and I own the Lenovo M10+ G3. Mistake to upgrade from an older Samsung A series tablet. I think the older A series tablet, although no longer receiving software updates and feature updates, is still snappier. I may return to using that A series tablet and retire my 1+ year old Lenovo tablet as its too laggy. Yes, the Lenovo tablet has all the latest Android features, but its just too slow. This Tab Plus will likely suffer a similar fate to anyone who gets it, too slow and laggy.

  • @ShaffafAhmed
    @ShaffafAhmed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    250 usd is too much.

  • @jonwik7056
    @jonwik7056 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    one ugly looking product.

    • @Anthony-og2ss
      @Anthony-og2ss หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its just different, thats all...unique 😊

    • @jonwik7056
      @jonwik7056 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Anthony-og2ss yh ugly