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- The Atheist Experience 847 for January 5, 2014 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner.
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"two against one; It's not fair"
This shows that her goal isn't truth. The conversation was a game to her and she wanted to win.
Yeah Ego plays a huge role in most religious types.
Also, shouldn't she have a GOD on her side? So it would be two against a lady and the god of all creation, right?
@@illusion_of_your_delusion To a large extent, I think there is also laziness as an important factor that is inherent in all of us. In particular, laziness in thinking prevents an established worldview, be it because of simplicity or the habit (since childhood and thus religious upbringing) to be questioned and defended like a lion.
It is surprising that it starts with a very simple core statement, such as: God is everything. After that, like the Vatican and the Catholic Church, a building of lies(and that literally and figuratively at the same time!:) ) grows organically over 2000 years. The tap dance of evasions, denial of truth, misrepresentation of history and attempts at explanation is everything else except "simple" or calming for the also imagined "soul".
That costs a lot of strength even for non-scholars (who, on the contrary, have received an education and their bread from the church) and I could laugh myself to death that their own stubbornness in refusing critical thinking causes exactly the opposite: abysses of doubt and self-deception.
To each his own, right?:)
Also she was beaten down by logic and reasoning so she has to come up with some nonsense to make herself feel better. Theists are very fragile.
I think it’s more a sign of rationalization. She didn’t expect that all of her points would be shot down so easily, so she made up to reason that the numbers must be the problem - and with that, she can still feel good about her points.
She can at least say "that's a good point" at least she can acknowledge that.
But then she just ignores it.
And then goes right back to “the Bible said”. She’s either liar or a complete dullard
Religious apologists like to say things like that to give them time to
come up with better arguments. Too bad they haven’t been able to find any better arguments in the thousands of years they’ve been trying.🤡
Intellectual dishonesty or dissonance.
"The point is that someone wrote the Gospels therefore Jesus is real."
Someone wrote Lord of the Rings, therefore Gandalf is real.
Wow she hit a full range of apologist classics, didn't she?
Unfair because it's two against one? Really? No, it's two against 2000 years and millions and millions of believers.
Well since she "claims" to be a believer it was 2 against 2. Her and her god verses Matt and Martin.😁
2000 years and millions of believers and the best arguments she could come up with are shot down by two people. It should show her how worthless all her nonsensical beliefs are, but someone like her would never make that connection.
Actually it's billions of believers with only claims and we are still waiting on good arguments or evidence. When cornered they claim faith as in hope that it's true, no evidence required as they they already believe. Backwards from looking at the facts and evidence for something and then forming a belief.
Believers =Deluded fools.
I absolutely love watching The Atheist Experience. I was once like that lady, Faith. This show opened my eyes to what makes more sense. I'm super thankful especially to Matt. Respect.
Yes, I honestly don't see how christians think gods, saviors, angels, spirits, ghosts, and demons make any sense at all.
@@anonymousjohnson976 They are indoctrinated from birth till death with nonsense.
Fp
Bc they are scared that a thug would send them to be tortured for eternity if they don’t continue to worship him
What changed your mind? Was it something specific? Was it gradual or sudden?
These people just assume that their beliefs are true but the second anyone asks them how they know it, they have no answers. They're just very certain that they've got it right, even though they have zero evidence at all to justify it. It just makes me roll my eyes. These are not rational people. She gets to the very end and finds out she has no point and then she just whines. What a child.
They are mostly indoctrinated from a young age.
Do you know whats even more bizarre? . That human intelligence can come out of a big bang . This same big bang that just started for no reason .
@@__blue--blood__7857 That doesn't mean any kind of deity had anything to do with it. Not knowing all of the nuances isn't a license to just make shit up because it makes you happy. That's just stupid and irrational.
@@BitchspotBlog regardless if it was God or not . Theres no way that a big bang alone could have formed human intelligence. Human intelligence alone is way more advanced then the entire solar system. Regardless if it took 13 piont something billion years . For something as advanced as humans there had to be somethey way more advanced then humans . And im not talking about big spaces or stars galaxies. Sorry but a big bang that forms humans for no reason just doesnt cut it for me . When we have someting as advanced as humans there must be something billions of times more intelligent then humans . Its that simple
@@__blue--blood__7857 The BB had F all to do with how life began. Life and the universe’s beginnings are two separate concepts.
Her name is Faith and she's a believer? .....Shocking
My name means anointed bearer lol...
I'm neither.
I'm not the first one to have an epistemology that belials my names meaning... there was at least one more ^_^ his last name is Hitchens.
I should have been called bullshit and I'm a nonbeliever.
@@weemac4645 huh? Wot?
Were you covered in psychedelic mushrooms when you were born?
I'm calling bullshit ;)
He/she/it/hen will get to the bottom of this stanking mess!
Might as well have been named "Bible"
@@roberttee8426 I remember spelling it for the first time before I knew it's spelling...
"Buybull"...
My fundamentalist aunt theresa did not approve.
Amazing how patient Matt was back in 2014
@@ministryofarguments5257 Excuse me?? That's a bold ass assertion. Athiestism is not based on ANY faith, so please stop with the fallacious strawmaning. You do know, generally, what athiestism means right? It means.... we don't believe a god claim due to the lack of suffient evidence. Your comment contents two... TWO... logical fallacies in just only two sentences. You arent exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.
@@kylevogelgesang9996 It's a troll.
Yes I find it difficult to listen to him these days. He was so much more compelling back then when he allowed theists to talk themselves into a corner.
@@ministryofarguments5257 Atheism is not a faith. Only someone who has no clue or someone who needs to denigrate atheism would think so.
I suspect the latter. Most intelligent people know what atheism is but try to tarnish it to make their own arguments seem more valid to the weak minded.
@@ministryofarguments5257 No, atheism is based on hearing a claim and asking "prove it"
You trying to shift the burden of proof or redefining atheism to make it fit your narrative isn't going to change things.
I really miss Martin. He was a fantastic cohost of this show. If TAE gets the chance to have him back on for current shows, please do.
Claiming that a watchmaker makes a watch is the EXACT OPPOSITE of claiming your watch was made by an elf who lives inside of a tree......
Easter....when jesus raised from the dead, became a bunny and pooped out chocolate eggs
You don't realize how rare chocolate was back then ;)
The chocolate bunnies are Hollow, just like the promises in the Bible
Pooped out chocolate eggs! 🤣😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And when we eat one it will still look chocolate like when we poop, so Jesus is real.
I miss Martin. He was awesome!
He was really good at breaking down religious claims of people, and politely asking them to explain their claims before he went through it with them.
He did it in such a manner that they couldn't really go off at him. He was good at what he did.
He was fantastic!
Where is he now tho?
@@jawi9972 he just stopped doing the show. Probably got tired of the callers and drama
Agreed, he was the co-host who most consistently actually contributed something relevant
In the 7 years since this was recorded, she never came back, whether alone or with those 2 friends. When backed into a corner, she simply said the NUMBER OF ARGUMENTS AGAINST HER was "unfair". Hello? Martin and Matt could EACH have given you those questions/arguments. Doesn't matter if they were there together or alone. The number of arguments against yours were not only greater, but higher in truth and accuracy.
why did'nt she ever call back with her two friends gawd and jebus
I mean to be fair, it's possible she has had more serious worries in life than a call in show on the internet. Not that there's anything bad about the show of course, but I'm saying stuff could have happened in real life that made this kinda thing trivial in comparison.
Amazing that people are still trying these same bad arguments, all these years later. No wonder Matt's less tolerant in the present day. 😂🤣
She was at least open to their arguments. It was a pretty respectful debate on both sides.
She didn't just use the oldest trick in the book (the watch maker argument)
Not only did she use it... she had no idea what it truly means lolz. Indoctrination at it's worst.
@Nathaniel Yates God is fake.
@Kyle Vogelgesang troll ⚠️. 😂
@@sfvaitkus If only it was that easy. Sadly I'm not.
My favourite rebut to the watchmaker argument is to point it back. "What you're saying is that human's ability to measure time sprang as a fully formed Swiss watch on Adam's wrist."
"I'd just like to finish this one sentence" ... that literally hundreds of other callers have used in exactly the same way and it has always been debunked. Jeeeezus these people ...
11:00 isn't it just great when you've taken the time to present your thoughtful and patient response to the argument someone brought to you,
and they promptly ignore all that and switch topics to the most remote mystery of the universe? Hahahhh. 😐
It’s the default reaction from creationists in my experience. Once their initial claims have been refuted, they move the goalposts all the way back to the Big Bang.
@@billneu Because it was hardly mandatory in school only 40 million years ago i mean 40 years .
This may be my favorite episode. Lots of patience and good conversation.
If by “good conversation” you mean a dumb old lady spouting ridiculous mythological tropes and two people trying to teach her basic critical thinking skills, then yeah it was a good conversation.
Whenever a theist says ' I enjoy listening to your shows' or ' Am a big fan of the Atheist Experience' I despair. It's like they are listening to music without ever having any intent of questioning themselves. Sigh...
Her name is Faith. Very interesting call.
She got a lot of it.
@DJ.AKADEMIKS.SUPREME.HOODIE bahahaha
haha
I thought at first it was SJ Thomasson, but I think this woman sounds a bit older
11:00 My kids at age 4 and 5 had a better understanding of the start of the universe that this faith lady.
I would like to see those children when they are adults. They probably won't take to many wooden nickels.
Everyone of this person's understanding of her beliefs were reliably questioned. So she moved on, holding on to her faith in the absence of evidence and logic.
According to the Bible, lots of people rose from the dead and walked into town.
"And the graves were opened and many bodies of the saints which slept arose" Matthew 27:52
But surprisingly, nobody on earth alive now is more than 125 years old.
If they did rise from the dead, where are they now ? Back in their graves ?
I remember hearing this years ago.
I had forgotten just how brilliant it is.
Thank you!!!!
Priest: “Thanks everyone for participating in this year’s Easter Pageant. All right kids we need to rehearse the part where it’s Easter morning and the first visitors arrive at Jesus’ tomb. Now who’s in this scene?” Child 1: “I am! Matthew 28:2-5 says an angel came down from heaven to greet them.” Child 2: “No, it wasn’t an angel! It was a ‘Young man’, Just look at Mark 16:5!” Child 3: “Hello! Luke 24:4 says very clearly it was ‘Two men’.” Child 4: “Well according to John 20:1-2 nobody was there.” Priest: “Children, the contradictions don’t matter! What matters is that we unquestioningly accept the magic of the resurrection even in the face of such glaring contradictions within the story.” Child 4: “Father, that was the most wonderfully concise summary of Christianity I have ever heard.” Priest: “Thank you child. It is blind submission to authority that got me where I am today.”
reality was so much more interesting before television and internet... miracles everywhere.
🤦♂️
@@ajclements4627 My sentiments exactly.
the caller says hmmmmm that's a good point several times. if she really thinks about it all she will have free time next Sunday
Her brain hasn't fully shut down and it shows
Or Saturday if you were Adventist lol
You mean the teachings are all utter bollocks? Hmmmmm that's a good point.
No evidence of Jesus, makes him either a myth or a regular man who the myth was based on.
Or if you read the buybull the three different jesus don't really connect (birth/teen/33 yo), so *maybe* three *possibly* real persons.
@@timsmith2028 You can stand on a roof top and shout that a million times but doesn't change the fact there's absolutely no evidence, zip, zero, zilch!
@@timsmith2028 Prove it. You have less evidence for Jesus, than there is evidence for the Greek gods...
@@t800fantasm2 watch the devil and father amorth trailer.
@@timsmith2028 says an obvious troll.
It's funny to me how people never realise that a text specifically written to promote and convince people of the truth of Christianity asserting hundreds of people saw these things but can't name a single one sounds just a bit fishy. Like it's a deliberate untruth meant to give the story more weigth than it would have otherwise.
I've got to love the newer version of dillahunty that demands you either rehabilitate the point that's been disproven or admit that it doesn't hold before letting you move on. Faith just gambols on from point to point ignoring the responses...
Faith is responding truth to think or know you have Provided a second belief .
I know that God was not in Germany during WWII. And why didn’t the prophets give us a heads up in the Old Testament.
I think that's because it's all bollocks.
Well the Vatican was on Nazi side , when it suited them .
The most common theme seems to be that theists can't comprehend the idea that science says this is our best guess about x and if something changes that will no longer be our best guess.
That shows me that they were never taught Science basics ..
Exactly…science is happy to have questions with no answers (yet) but religion has all the answers with no questions.
I love around 25:30 she starts resorting to "oh it's two against one" when backed into a corner she knows that she can't get out of. She already admitted to them having a good point earlier in the call, she's obviously feeling very defensive. Even sounds like she's probably convinced some people with these arguments, but the difference is that she's taking on people who actually know something about what they're talking about.
It’s so funny when Matt asks a caller why they believe something and they “answer” with something like “Do you believe the Holocaust really happened?”.
Whether Matt believes something has absolutely nothing to do with why other people believe nonsense.🤤
20:50 "I'm not finished". I feel that's the issue, she thinks she's presenting new stuff to the table. She genuinely thinks these arguments are undebunked. after that she says "I've been doing this for years". Only in the pews and altars I imagine, because 1 day in true research you should've already seen the debunk.
around 20:00 when Faith starts to trot out the watchmaker argument - the looks on Matt and Martin's face is just priceless - I was rolling around laughing. LOL they have heard this 1000 time and had to sit patiently for 2 minutes once again. At 21:10 Matt gives Martin a cheeky look and Martin mimics Faith's belief that she has them cornered. Hilarious guys!
To be told to have faith in a God in which you can’t see, touch and hear from is such a scam!🙄
throw every apologetics at the wall and see what sticks, and when nothing does... say it again...
The notion that she thinks turning water into wine is "amazing" is telling. I learned how to turn water into milk when I was 7 years old. It's LITERALLY one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Really? How is that done?
@@MadHatter42 There are multiple ways to do it. One is with powdered milk. The only trick older is probably pulling something out of your sleeve.
Misdirection is as old as religion
@@greyeyed123 Powdered milk, is THAT how the old "milk from a paper cone" trick is done? I always wondered. Thanks for the info!
I can turn wine into yellow water, it's a superhuman power that I haven't yet figured out how to use it to help humanity, so please keep this on the down low.
Thanks.
The moment Buddha was born he walked 8 steps. At the foot print of each step, a water lily flower sprouted..This is believed to be true .
The delusion is strong with this one Obi-Wan.
Ahhh, the good old days. Thanks for the upload!
The notion of "prophecy" where the old testament predicts the future - Soooo, didn't the writers of the new testament have access to the texts of the old testament? It's easy to write a story that matches up with an old prediction you just read...
I’d go as far as to say, Martin is as good as Matt!
Notice how when her arguments are debunked she moves to the next predictable, tired apologetic argument and acts as if they’ve never heard it before and never mentions that the previous argument was demolished. This is apologetics.
She has likely never had her beliefs questioned
One of the best episodes! Kind of mutual respect for each other, while no actual agreement.
I really like the adverts interrupting an interesting discussion about Jesus and the universe.
It's nice to have a variety of influences. Jesus, hamburger, God, flooring tiles, big bang, hair curlers.
I think some people see and accept the complex nature and wonder of the cosmos and the fragility of life and existence...while other seek to find a mechanism and process and other seek to find a hierarchical meaning, purpose, process and order..to then justify and confirm their position, place and purpose within it.
The alien abduction method is always solid 😂😂😂
This clip is one of my faves 💖
When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, the multitude applauded loudly.
And they said unto the Lord, "How the Hell did you do that ?",
and enquired of him, "Do you do children's parties ? "
and the Lord said, "No".
a point of childrens party?
@@trafficjon400
Do you mean, What is the point of children's parties ?
God does answer prayers. I prayed for him to cure my headache. He said take two tylenol. Amen.
Good on her for acknowledging good points . Many callers don't
my church pointed out Grape juice as the wine of the watered down church i mean grape juice.
At least she did acknowledge when they came up.with good thought provoking arguments.
Sadly she then threw the "no fair, two against one" complaint when things didn't quite go her way, but she was happy to accept the "her and twoother god botherers against just Matt", challenge, which to the the best of my knowledge, she has yet to actually take up
But there's time...lol.
I think it's disingenuous to complain about two against one when she, presumably, knew she'd be talking to two people before she picked up the phone to call the show.
Ex-Christian here! Ty Matt
I think there are many of us here. Once we lose our faith we need to pass the good news on to every christian showing them that they no longer have to be a slave to stupidity, or denial of self, as well as freedom from compulsory hate
I believe I know more about christianity, also religion in general having actually reading the Bible, and studying the whole of religion to understand how I ever fell for it, and why it's followers don't actually do what they say. I'm sure almost all christians don't know or refuse to accept the Yahweh and Allah are the same God and the proof is in the bible they don't read. I can talk about all religion forever because it has a history of evolving from ancient Sumeria, and influenced by all faiths throughout ancient history. If you can start from "lilith was adams first wife," it only gets stranger from there
Do you have sort of the same dilemma Minecraft villager as myself? having part of your life stolen, and repeadly told what to be, how to be, and why you exist, by the people Who act differently from what they preach and hate whom their supposed to love without judgment or anger. Christianity today is really a cult of personality, and it's leaders are lying theives who worship money and hate those who threaten their hypocrisy. The church messed me up. I had to unlearn everything I was controlled to believe like hate, and relearn the truth about everything. I can't believe my mind was controlled by something that wasn't me and it affected every part of my life. I'm so angry that I learned everything I could about religion and it's history, only to use it against the people who screwed me. The only difference between me and them is I'm not a selfish ignorant liar who claims to be something I'm not, taught to hate others while told to love everyone. That is what I hate most about religion, it makes people hate, and judge, believing to be morally Superior to everyone else. It makes me sick what religion can do to people. I also know their are truly good christians who live what they believe, I don't bother those people. I feel like taking the faith of those particular people is just as bad as when I was trying to give faith to innocent people. Anyway, my rant is over. I guess I'm passionate about something I no longer believe and hold a grudge..if that makes sense
One thing I know about arguing with christians is that using science is pointless because they reject it. It's easier to use the book they don't read and point out their hypocrisy. That is the easiest way to make a person question their faith by pointing out that they are just ignorant misinformed and controlled proletarians with no idea they are slaves and I am free
John 8:32 and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
How telling at the end when she was faced with an unanswerable question that defeats her claim she puts out a dodge to avoid dealing with that issue.
Happy Ostera (spring/ welcoming new life/growth/fertility) Bunnies !!!!
Happy Ostera!!! Not that zombie fest the Christians pushed on us...
@@NaughtyNimitz It's Ēostre and probably didn't exist as a myth either. The only source we have for that is Bede and he is not very reliable.
But it's not spring where I live, it's autumn.
Gets demolished at every stage and what happens?..... albeit she sounded rather jovial about it all, but you could still hear the persecution complex so many Christians have with her “oh it’s two on one” comment. You called in 🤷🏻♂️
Quote from Internet: ''It's said that Horus, like Jesus -- or Jesus, like Horus -- was born of a virgin, had twelve disciples, walked on water, delivered a 'sermon on the mount', performed mircles, was executed beside two thieves, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.''
Another wonderful representative of the atheist community
This woman is like a voltron of every shitty argument for god.
Is it just me, or does the audio get out of sync as it goes on?
Yes, it did for me too.
I had to stop the video when the caller raised the Catholic Church. I encourage her to look at how this organization has operated in the last 2000 years. Then explain to all why she would support such an organisation. Open the book or open your eyes. Yes I have a problem with that organisation. You should too.
@6:45 At first I thought "If people believe it, thats actually absolute verification of it being 'able to be believed.", but then I lit my joint... Then I thought "Isn't anything 'believable' as long as the believer is gullible enough?'... then I hit the joint again... lastly I thought "If I was gullible enough to believe anything... I probably wouldn't believe that anyone could be that gullible!" Now Im smoking another one to ponder the paradox and looking for sober incite. Should I just go to bed?
It hurts so much to leave religion but the other side is true inner peace. Finally, calm
A man died and went to heaven.
He walked around and met up with some old friends, and he decided to tell them a joke - one of those bad-taste horrendous jokes about the Holocaust.
Just as he gave the punch line, somebody tapped him on the shoulder from behind. It was God.
God said, "I heard your joke, and I don't think it's funny!"
The man said, "Well ... I guess you had to be there."
" I am not following you." Well, I am not surprised, miss.
Happy Easter everyone from Aus.
Don't eat to much chocolate like I have :)
Peace
I've heard flat earthers deny Australia exists, so I really hope you do exist.
@@freddan6fly Oh Dang! I guess the "Land down under" doesn't make much sense on a flat earth :)
Solid advice 👍
@@ministryofarguments5257
Ooh nasty.
@@ministryofarguments5257 They were pagan holidays first, solstice and equinox. Having no record of jebus birth or death, after making christianity the state religion Roman christians appropriated the holidays as they were already in place.
Also a lot of stories in the bible are stolen from other cultures mythologies. Look a bit deeper.
It is comical (and sad) when christians present the watchmaker analogy as if it just occurred to them naturally, when the fact is that it was spoon fed to them by their particular priest, pastor, or other brainwasher.
great conversation. I like the caller. open to ideas. would love to know what happened to her. did she stay hardcore christian?
Leesburg, Fla where Randy Rhoads died and where a woman gave me a headache.
So what happened to all the people who lived and died before the time of Christ ??
Another question I can't seem to get an answer for. . . .
If Jesus was God in the flesh then how can he now be sitting at the right hand of God ??
Nice back and forth. This woman can debate better than all of my Protestant, Catholic cousins who I have gotten in a debate with and there are a lot.
In other words, why did God decide to reveal himself during a time in which he knew the recording wasn’t going to be sufficient to convince the whole world.
Faith then Cameth to taketh a Bite out of it. What comes after Faith is the Q would be impossible to make a belief for the wise they could have use there brain and left out. For eventually the wise really got wise over Man because God could go no farther. what a fucking let down for the Christians are in for a party they won't feel Greatful for if this greatful loving nonmanipulating power does not start doing some thing soon.
If the world is a miracle, then swimming in water is a miracle. Walking on water is no better.
You can't look at your watch and conclude that the universe was created
The four Gospels contain somewhat different accounts of the Resurrection of Jesus.
There are differing details about how many women go to the tomb-just Mary Magdalene in John, Mary along with others in Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
There are different numbers of angels reported at the tomb-one in Matthew and Mark, two in Luke and John.
The sequence of whom Jesus appeared to differs somewhat in the various Gospels.
Then there’s the question of where Jesus appeared-in Galilee according to Matthew and Mark, or around Jerusalem according to Luke.
A mistake is also about Jesaya and the gold ( her argument )and a connection with the crusifiction is also total going nowhere....I see not correlation with that!
The Buddha (Siddhartha) is even older than the “Jesus Story” (500 years), yet there are corroborated sources regarding his authenticity (as far as confirming his having lived).
The Buddha was an actual person though.
She’s just there to spew her talking points. Agreeing with the hosts is just a tactic to stay on longer
Good Caller.
In my opinion: “He” IS hitting us over the head right now and at all times. And it looks like this.
...watch... Here we go again.
It's more like 2 minds against 0.
Raising from the dead doesn't seem to be a big deal .... “At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life” (Matthew 27:50-52).
It wasn't, lots of pagan gods resurrected long before Jesus, Adonis, Attis, Osiris, Horus, Baal...to name a few. Resurrecting gods was quite popular.
@@MG-ot2yr My point exactly ! And lots of 'holy people' too.
@Jim Merrilees That's precisely the problem, and if you think about the sheer number of people who would have had knowledge if it actually happened, you've got 9000 people who allegedly witnessed the two 'feeding the multitudes' events, 500 alleged witnesses to his resurrection, and countless people that traveled long distances to seek Jesus's healing powers because word had widely spread according to the gospels. Yet nobody told anyone else who might write about it, there were plenty of historians of the era, and not one peep about a preacher named Jesus.
@@MG-ot2yr In fairness, depending on how you look at it, it still isn't a big deal.
I mean, people are "resurrected" in hospital emergency departments quite often.
And I'm not just saying that to be facetious, but rather am driving the point that before we claim "resurrection", what's the evidence that Jesus was genuinely dead in the first place?
After all, he'd been crucified. Nailed to a cross. This hybrid Roman death penalty / torture / public humiliation is all about a slow and gruesome death. You're hung up on a cross and just left to eventually die.
Now, in such a situation, where absolutely no-one was medically qualified back then to make an accurate diagnosis, it could entirely be that Jesus fell unconscious. Low heart rate, weak pulse. That he was on the edge of succumbing to this horrid torture, but was not, in fact, dead. These people, though, couldn't tell the difference.
They fetch him down from the cross and place him in a tomb. And being laid out horizontally, rather than hung up vertically, his body was able to recover over the three days.
Eventually, he recovers enough to regain consciousness and leaves his tomb. Everyone is astounded - "you have come back from the dead", they tell him.
And here's the thing. How would Jesus himself know any different? He remembers being crucified and blacking out. Then he wakes up in this tomb - so, clearly, everyone else thought him dead - and then everyone's insistent that, yup, you were definitely dead. So, well, in the absence of knowing any different, he takes their word for it. I must have been dead and, as I'm not dead right now, I must have risen again.
Before you claim "resurrection", please demonstrate that he was actually 100% brain-dead, with no pulse whatsoever, before seeming to magically jump on his feet.
It's a rare event. But this sort of thing does - very rarely - happen in the modern age. Folks presumed dead and taken to the morgue, only for them to wake up later on.
(I mean, yes, we do have machines to measure things accurately, but they're not always used in all situations. An old person in a care home fading away and then appeared dead in their chair. Nurse checks their pulse - but they miss it and it's very weak, so they think there isn't any pulse. It can and has happened.)
@@klaxoncow Its a reasonable theory, and yes most certainly happens, though rarely, but we do have documented cases. But confused on your paragraph on me claiming Jesus resurrected and me having to demonstrate that he was actually brain dead. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in the resurrection story, so I can't demonstrate anything to you regarding that claim. My comment was only about the claim of Christians, and pointing out that many other gods are also claimed to have resurrected, that's it, period, I didn't infer or imply anything else.
it's interesting that she hasn't thought about why God used to "reveal" himself in the Biblical times, and doesn't now. it's something I wondered during Sunday school, as we were hearing tales about people being healed from disease and cured of hunger by multiplying bread. I thought... there are starving and sick people all around the world now, why doesn't God come back? why did people in ancient times get to see these miraculous things, and we don't?
Been watching since 2009 I'm 28 now and still watching
I'm a part time vegetarian... Depends on whether I'm eating meat at the time or not....
Faith...
The point being is that we just don't know. Maybe it's all designed and we are all in a pétri dish but you need to prove this and we can't so in the meantime it's better to just say that we don't know how everything came to be.
That woman calling about Jesus being real and magical is trying hard to hold onto the idea of Jesus miracles.. I feel bad because I've been there but at the same time it's like give it up don't lose you dignity and your logic for religion
Caller: "I can't prove Jesus existed 2000 years ago, but I know for a fact how the WHOLE UNIVERSE was formed Billions of years ago."
Just because there was major narrative created about JC does not mean it is True. Check out the BIOs of the Greek and Romans Gods. For example Apollo.
First I thought these guys were hella smart. Now I’m convinced that they just changed the lens of their worldview
Faith sounds like SJ who is in Tampa and Faith is in Leesburg which is close and it seems the real person's personality came out at the end...just sayin' - call was in 2014
The wonderful laws of the universe...like that gamma ray burst that could destroy all life on Earth.
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when she say's Two against one, doesn't she have God on her side? Where is the Intelligent Designer feeding her the answers?
Just a point that is never brought up -universes
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