Well done LeRoy3rd! I have had classical and jazz training and what you were able to explain and demonstrate in 15m took me years to understand. Just an idea but you could rebrand the keyboard demonstration of this video to a wider audience by just sharing your theory expertise. You have a very sharp mind. I'm very much hoping you can harness your strengths to get your life back on track because you are very gifted. Let's hope that it does not get to the point that you need to part with your MV-1 as we'll lose a very valuable contributor from the MV-1 community. All the best.
I think mess up with correct naming of chords on Verselab it's because you can do automatic transitssion later as a part of automatic arrangement of a song... So unit is thinking in one scale only oceralll.... If you change overall scale of the project (or transpose notes) chords should fallow... So if you want to use Fchord as a root it needs to be in F scale...so F chord in C scale is 4th chord.. It's pretty unlogic in normal playing but you need to think as machine is thinking... Scale is also connect with a vocal harmoniser later in arrangement...etc. Great explanation. Keep posting. 😊😊😊
Unfortunately that's incorrect. If you change the key of the project, it won't affect chord mode. In fact, it doesn't affect anything EXCEPT clips you import after you change the key of the project (and the clips have to be saved with a key). Definitely try it out, changing any key or scale won't change the error on the root note on chord mode.
Thanks a lot! Is it possible to enter your own chords into the chord banks of the verselab through your midi keyboard? That would be amazing and logical 😁
That would be pretty great, but, unfortunately, there's no way to edit the chords in chord mode except through the EDIT+PAD system. There are a whole lot of ways that chord mode could be improved, and this would definitely be one of them.
Hello Leroy, I'm a new french user of the mv 1 and I'd like to thank you very much for your very helpful videos about this machine. There's not much tutorial on it and to me your videos go deeply in the understanding of it's functionnalitys. I have a question about the use of tonality, scales and chords : I know how to set a tonality and a scale of a clip, but when I try to play some chords on it, I check the tonality with EDIT + [pad] and it's always in C, whereas I set it on D#. Do you know how to fix it ?
Good eye! This is a bug with the verselab. When you change the scale, say from C to G, the chords change correctly on CHORD mode (meaning the pads are PLAYING the correct chords), but the LABELS on CHORD mode don't change to match. As an example, if you change the root of the scale to G, pad 1 will be Gm and pad 9 will be G, but if you try to edit the pad, it will still say the root of the chord is C. Incidentally the chords in CHORD mode follow pattern based on what the root of the scale is. Pads 1-8 are the triads, in order, of the minor key (with pad 8 being the i chord, an octave up), and pads 9-16 are the triads, in order, of the major key (with pad 16 being the I chord an octave up). So, if you want to play the major progression I-IV-V-I, you'd play pads 9, 12, 13, 9. Pads 1, 4, 5, 1, would be the same progression in the parallel minor (i-iv-v-i).
@@LeRoy3rd Thks a lot ! I'll send an email to Roland to fix this bug (I don't expect the problem to be solved quickly ;-) ) but in any case your answer solve partially my problem !
Yeah, this is a known bug that's been around since the verselab was released. There are a bunch of other bugs that Roland just ignores. I highly doubt they'll be fixed any time soon, if ever. I always recommend that people make note of the errors, and find ways to work around them.
Once the chords intervals are setup on the pads, can they be triggered with the external midi controller? So if A is pressed on the controller and A-minor will play On the verselab?
No, chord mode is kind of its own thing, and (as far as I can tell), can't be triggered by an external controller. You'll have to use the pads directly on the verselab. That being said, a lot of external controllers have chord functions, and typically those will send midi data of the notes from that. So, for instance, I have a Keystep 37, and a Launchkey Mini mk3. Both of those will allow you to make a chord, and then it will play and transpose that specific chord and voicing to any key you press... unfortunately you have to make several passes at recording unless you only wanted one chord type (for example, if you're using a dominant 7 chord, and playing blues, that may be useful). All that being said, I mostly use chord mode when I take the verselab with me, and don't have room for a keyboard controller. It's very difficult to get wide chord voicings using only the pads in NOTE mode, but using CHORD mode, while taking a bit of time, is super useful, in that regard. And the ability to play the chords you've created (or use the defaults) live, OR put them into the step sequencer makes this really useful, honestly, when using it standalone, I think this is one of the most useful, and underrated, features of the verselab.
@@LeRoy3rdah bummer! Yea ive been trying to find a way to play one note chords using a midi foot controller for self accompaniment . Lots of controllers will do one chord shape, substantially fewer will do them to scale (CM Dm Em ect) and the few that do dont seem to respond to an external midi source. The search continues! Thanks for the vid and the reply!
@@fletcherstevens3165 Hmmm, that's an interesting idea. 🤔 Here's a path of inquiry that may yield some results... I know you can get midi pedals (they look like pedals on an organ). I assume, by default, they play a single note, so you could use it to trigger a sequence, etc... but perhaps you could route that midi signal into a device (like your computer), to trigger chords? Oooor, how about this, make samples of the chords you want to use, then put the samples in a kit track... then when you trigger the pad on the kit track, it will play the chord that is on the pad? Takes a bit more work, but this could be a useable workaround.
ok so you mean to tell me with this concept I can make songs that i just keep pressing things in chord mode with the mv1 and then just check out the notes and their pattern(root, nt1, nt2, nt3) and i can just memorize those to play in my piano? 🤯
@@cyb Sure can. All chords are just a set of intervals. Major will always be the same pattern, minor will always be the same pattern, minor 7 flat 5 will always be the same pattern. The names of these chord types are just shorthand for the exact intervals. The trick is to then learn how and when to use different types of chords, and how the chords fit into keys and scales (or not). There's a great book about chords and chord progressions by Jake Lizzio at Signals Music (it can be purchased digitally at their site, I have no affiliation with them), signalsmusic dot com. The specific book is called, "Chord Progression Codex".
Great explanation
thank you! awesome video.
Wow, Leroy, another great video. You make this instruction so clear. I will look for more of your videos. Thank you !
Thank you. Things are semi-stable in my life for the moment, so more videos should be coming soon. Thanks for the encouragement. 😊
Very useful explanations. I wish you the best for the future
very useful!very nice explanation/teaching way...I wish you all the blessings brother!🙏🙏
Well done LeRoy3rd! I have had classical and jazz training and what you were able to explain and demonstrate in 15m took me years to understand. Just an idea but you could rebrand the keyboard demonstration of this video to a wider audience by just sharing your theory expertise. You have a very sharp mind. I'm very much hoping you can harness your strengths to get your life back on track because you are very gifted. Let's hope that it does not get to the point that you need to part with your MV-1 as we'll lose a very valuable contributor from the MV-1 community. All the best.
😢 Thank you for the encouragement.
The Chord Mode on the MV1 is so lovely to have. And I am not aware of another device that has implemented chord mode on pads this well🤔
Thanks for the chord mode.
Thank you
I think mess up with correct naming of chords on Verselab it's because you can do automatic transitssion later as a part of automatic arrangement of a song... So unit is thinking in one scale only oceralll.... If you change overall scale of the project (or transpose notes) chords should fallow... So if you want to use Fchord as a root it needs to be in F scale...so F chord in C scale is 4th chord.. It's pretty unlogic in normal playing but you need to think as machine is thinking... Scale is also connect with a vocal harmoniser later in arrangement...etc. Great explanation. Keep posting. 😊😊😊
Unfortunately that's incorrect. If you change the key of the project, it won't affect chord mode. In fact, it doesn't affect anything EXCEPT clips you import after you change the key of the project (and the clips have to be saved with a key). Definitely try it out, changing any key or scale won't change the error on the root note on chord mode.
Thanks a lot! Is it possible to enter your own chords into the chord banks of the verselab through your midi keyboard? That would be amazing and logical 😁
That would be pretty great, but, unfortunately, there's no way to edit the chords in chord mode except through the EDIT+PAD system. There are a whole lot of ways that chord mode could be improved, and this would definitely be one of them.
Hello Leroy,
I'm a new french user of the mv 1 and I'd like to thank you very much for your very helpful videos about this machine. There's not much tutorial on it and to me your videos go deeply in the understanding of it's functionnalitys. I have a question about the use of tonality, scales and chords : I know how to set a tonality and a scale of a clip, but when I try to play some chords on it, I check the tonality with EDIT + [pad] and it's always in C, whereas I set it on D#. Do you know how to fix it ?
Good eye! This is a bug with the verselab. When you change the scale, say from C to G, the chords change correctly on CHORD mode (meaning the pads are PLAYING the correct chords), but the LABELS on CHORD mode don't change to match. As an example, if you change the root of the scale to G, pad 1 will be Gm and pad 9 will be G, but if you try to edit the pad, it will still say the root of the chord is C. Incidentally the chords in CHORD mode follow pattern based on what the root of the scale is. Pads 1-8 are the triads, in order, of the minor key (with pad 8 being the i chord, an octave up), and pads 9-16 are the triads, in order, of the major key (with pad 16 being the I chord an octave up). So, if you want to play the major progression I-IV-V-I, you'd play pads 9, 12, 13, 9. Pads 1, 4, 5, 1, would be the same progression in the parallel minor (i-iv-v-i).
@@LeRoy3rd Thks a lot ! I'll send an email to Roland to fix this bug (I don't expect the problem to be solved quickly ;-) ) but in any case your answer solve partially my problem !
Yeah, this is a known bug that's been around since the verselab was released. There are a bunch of other bugs that Roland just ignores. I highly doubt they'll be fixed any time soon, if ever. I always recommend that people make note of the errors, and find ways to work around them.
Once the chords intervals are setup on the pads, can they be triggered with the external midi controller?
So if A is pressed on the controller and A-minor will play On the verselab?
No, chord mode is kind of its own thing, and (as far as I can tell), can't be triggered by an external controller. You'll have to use the pads directly on the verselab. That being said, a lot of external controllers have chord functions, and typically those will send midi data of the notes from that. So, for instance, I have a Keystep 37, and a Launchkey Mini mk3. Both of those will allow you to make a chord, and then it will play and transpose that specific chord and voicing to any key you press... unfortunately you have to make several passes at recording unless you only wanted one chord type (for example, if you're using a dominant 7 chord, and playing blues, that may be useful).
All that being said, I mostly use chord mode when I take the verselab with me, and don't have room for a keyboard controller. It's very difficult to get wide chord voicings using only the pads in NOTE mode, but using CHORD mode, while taking a bit of time, is super useful, in that regard. And the ability to play the chords you've created (or use the defaults) live, OR put them into the step sequencer makes this really useful, honestly, when using it standalone, I think this is one of the most useful, and underrated, features of the verselab.
@@LeRoy3rdah bummer! Yea ive been trying to find a way to play one note chords using a midi foot controller for self accompaniment . Lots of controllers will do one chord shape, substantially fewer will do them to scale (CM Dm Em ect) and the few that do dont seem to respond to an external midi source. The search continues! Thanks for the vid and the reply!
@@fletcherstevens3165 Hmmm, that's an interesting idea. 🤔 Here's a path of inquiry that may yield some results... I know you can get midi pedals (they look like pedals on an organ). I assume, by default, they play a single note, so you could use it to trigger a sequence, etc... but perhaps you could route that midi signal into a device (like your computer), to trigger chords? Oooor, how about this, make samples of the chords you want to use, then put the samples in a kit track... then when you trigger the pad on the kit track, it will play the chord that is on the pad? Takes a bit more work, but this could be a useable workaround.
ok so you mean to tell me with this concept I can make songs that i just keep pressing things in chord mode with the mv1 and then just check out the notes and their pattern(root, nt1, nt2, nt3) and i can just memorize those to play in my piano? 🤯
@@cyb Sure can. All chords are just a set of intervals. Major will always be the same pattern, minor will always be the same pattern, minor 7 flat 5 will always be the same pattern. The names of these chord types are just shorthand for the exact intervals. The trick is to then learn how and when to use different types of chords, and how the chords fit into keys and scales (or not). There's a great book about chords and chord progressions by Jake Lizzio at Signals Music (it can be purchased digitally at their site, I have no affiliation with them), signalsmusic dot com. The specific book is called, "Chord Progression Codex".
@@LeRoy3rd Thank you! i'll check it out!