Joshua Graham and The Punisher Debate Justice
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Joshua Graham, the Burned Man from Fallout New Vegas, and Frank Castle, known as The Punisher, dive into a profound debate on justice, redemption, and the burdens of a vengeful path. These two characters, voiced by AI, explore the depths of their convictions in a desolate wasteland. This thought-provoking exchange, rich with philosophical undertones and moral dilemmas, is a must-watch for fans of both universes.
These videos are written by me, and many of them are part of an ongoing, multiversal narrative. If you would like any characters to be added to the cast, particularly from gaming, let me know in the comments and I will try to work it into the story.
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Joshua is basically an interdimensional therapist at this point, and I'm all for it.
Perked my spirits up Joshua reminds me no matter how darkness the road is there is always light.
He gets a lot of flak, but I think essentially Joshua Graham just wants people to clean their rooms, get their lives in order and take on as much responsibility as they can carry.
I am not exaggerating in saying that Joshua Graham speeches helped me transition back to civilian life. I've never stopped thinking about his character, my ideal theist I suppose. More real than people sometimes.
Yeah, and he just casually loads some 1911's while he does it at least I think those are 1911's.
He is the one therapist id actually be willing to listen to.
Weird. It's like the Punisher debating the Punisher.
Well Joshua did say if frank needed a mirror, not saying literal but something that they share
Actually Punisher i recent comics have been interpreted to be more morally dubious since a partial motivation for his war on criminals is because he enjoys war so much that he needs to continue fighting and killing to provide meaning to his existence.
@@hamizanyunos1502 Meh, that reason's honestly inconsistent depending on the writer. Sometimes he treats it more like a job and doesn't derive any enjoyment nor regret out of killing, sometimes he's just in a perpetual state of grief, sometimes he's motivated by what you just mentioned.
Not necessarily
he is the punisher if the punisher could turn it on and off.
You can tell Obsidian was proud of that gun inspection animation.
Which is funny considering Bethesda don't know shit about the guns in their own franchise.
@@therealdankclankeven more apparent when New Vegas is the only Fallout game with multiple ammo types. Even if half of them were redundant it was still a cool aspect that Bethesda has never tried to replicate.
You can tell they put in effort into it. He tests the action, removes the magazine, checks for clearance and inspects the barrel, all in a couple motions, keeping all the rules of gun safety and doing it quickly. With that one animation they clearly establish him as someone who knows his way around a gun and someone diligent in their work. It's a really good piece of character building through just the animation.
Glad OG Thomas Jane Punisher is finally getting some love, He was the closest thing we ever got to seeing comic book punisher on screen. The game was just *Chef's kiss*
Really? Moreso than even the Dolf Lundgren or the Netflix one?
Agreed.
@@HansCast didn't know that, still funny when the guy thats the fallout equivalent of Liam Neeson's taken charictar is telling Frank castle "dude dial it the fuck back!" What does that tell you?
Actually that would be Ray Stevenson.
@@williambowes-xt2sm I liked dolphs as well
Now We Need Batman and Punisher Debate Justice
It's on the channel. It was done 2 days ago
HA! You’re late to the party!
batman is too shallow in morality
@@whiteeye9584 No, he's not. His idealism is a huge character flaw, and it's compelling.
@@clonecam117thefilthycasual6 the reason it is his character flaw is becasue his morality ameks no sense plus he use for himself as restrainer becasue once he cross that line he becomes joker
I’m getting really damn invested in this AI voice connected universe, It’s hilarious to think this all started because people like listening to Joshua
Thank you! I'm hoping to tell a cohesive story between them all over time, if that's something people are interested in.
@@TheCouriersGambit Speaking of interesting conversations, Joshua having debate with ghostrider would be a really fascinating one, although that entirely depends if you can find a good voice for it but also depends on which ghost rider you want to use.
But it would be interesting if possible
@@TheCouriersGambitPreston Garvey vs Paladin Danse Commonwealth debate?
i want to see johnny blaze ghost rider.
@@cooldoberman2024 Right i’m thinking the same, the problem is, we’ve had plenty of voice actors for ghost rider, but not for Johnny blaze, it’s pretty slim pickings
You do the Punisher better Justice than the most recent dumb shit in the comics, mate.
Amen.
What dumb shit? He still has all his guns they just wanted to do a fun little samurai thing it’s not a permanent rebrand.
Wokeness ruining marvel and dc
Im more curious how Judge Dredd and Punisher would surprising agree on lethality, but argue on WHO deserves the last shot in a mag. And about the plac eof order of Dredd and the Chaos of yhe Punisher. It would a very unique angle that the Punisher and Dredd would have
He needs to make this
I like how this is all connected with one another like a shared narrative. It's like some interdimensional, divine force is bringing these characters together to have profound discourse. Like a multidimensional, shared spirit journey.
A beautiful conversation seeking to heal revenge confused as justice. For forgiveness finds righteous anger, recenter itself into an island of peace. Protected by those capable to defend it. In any means necessary.
Excellent convo and lines that are 🔥 af and hard af 🔥🔥👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
while frank isn't wrong on what he is doing nor do joshua
Joshua yes. Frank no. It’s pretty different.
Joshua LITERALLY made me shed a tear
That's why this character is an absolute masterpiece
I'm giving the platinum chip to Punisher and let him handle it
Joshua: you wanna kill evil sunsabitches?
Frank: did we just become best friends?
Joshua: YEP
Probably one of my favorite AI conversations besides all the ones with Kreia
Now I just want an AI video of Joshua Graham giving a history lesson on the colt m1911 while the gun inspect animation is looping in the background
So weird hearing this from Joshua the same logic he uses against Frank can be said about his own views on the white legs.
Who knows better than who it most applies to?
This is probably the same Joshua after the player convinces him God would want him to show mercy to the white legs.
True but then again the courier could have persuaded Joshua that death was not the answer, instead he could have persuaded him to let god deal with the white legs leader for the leader would live with the guilt and run with his tail between his legs.
This whole debate mirrors the one between Punisher and Daredevil in the latter's respective show (which was also well written and even better acted)
Its the eternal question of not neccesarily what is justice and what is vengeance, but who deserves which and who should administer it. Its a very complex , but fascinating philosophical question.
And its wild that a YT video of 2 fictional characters explores it better than most media nowadays, to my knowledge anyway.
Perhaps maybe somebody might want to give the punisher a suit of T 51B power armor, and set him loose on Caesars Legion.
Frank would be having the time of his life against the legion
@@purrgiri9862 he would probably paint the power armor all black and put his punisher skull on the chest portion of it too.
@ZoomerStasi true but I’m pretty sure getting the Legion would be top priority though.
@ZoomerStasi I’m no NCR fanboy. My allegiance is to Mr. House.
@ZoomerStasi that’s where you’re wrong I know exactly what Mr. house has done but for better or for worse, he is the best possible future for the Mojave wasteland.
Holy based.
God, Punisher in Fallout would be amazing.
This is great. I could listen to Castle and Graham debate all day.
I'd love a NV mod where you RP as The Punisher, and this is rhe first encounter you have in game. Just all kinds of moral conundrums as Frank tries to find his way home. Even give him the choice to go back to a certain time (temptation to see his family again).
Multiple endings, new weapons, new characters, and give a kind of "Dark Tower" feel.
I wanna see Joshua Frank and Guts all in a conversation now
You should invite Darth Vader into your channel and have Kreia tell him that he was free
I wonder what a meeting between Joshua Graham and old Uncle Iroh would be like?
a cup of tea would give enough conversation between them
Deeply philosophical and spiritual debate I love these types of debates that talk about the dangers of falling into darkness and remembering the enduring power of the human spirit
Hey hey! Id love to see Joshua debate nihilism with Alex Mercer from Prototype, maybe even a Followup with James Heller
“A good man does not sit idly by while Injustice flourishes around him while lives are destroyed” so true hear that god those are the words you should live by if you had any balls
I am liking these debates. Most people would have them go into there base nature. These sound like 2 souls are on neutral ground to just discuss. Is good, very good.
You guys should read punisher max, that goes into the punisher true nature
MAX Frank is almost an entirely different character from 616 Frank, (though after the MAX run finished, atleast most of the time he is).
No one is truly ready for The Slavers
why is something id watch way more than most movies and tv shows nowdays?the level of care and understanding to each individual it’s truly something. 7:05
I like to think that every time joshua goes to inspect his .45s he just thinks “I bet someone else is gonna come through that cave”
Can we get The Tenth Doctor meets / debates with Punisher or Joshua Graham? Or some other character I don't mind
Id definitely kill to see the Tenth Doctor
At this point Joshua seems like the voice of god, or as one comment from an interdimensional therapist said, have you considered using Heath Ledger's Joker for a future video? Or maybe Tony Montana from Scarface, no one has ever made a video of this style, it would be interesting to see a debate between him and the Joker, although I don't have a very clear idea what it would be about
I could just listen to Joshua being the messiah, the chosen one who could persuade other characters that has been through so much shit that Joshua can relate on a deep level of understanding. Bro could be an inter dimensional therapist. 🔥
This is absolutely beautiful.
Speaking of vengeance I feel like a video of Arthur Morgan and John marston from red dead 1 talking can be interesting
This is ridiculously amazing! 😢😭🛐
Might be interesting to see a debate between the Punisher and Max Payne
What I hate is how much of the current punisher media portrays him as a violent revenge obsessed bafoon. But historically in the comics he is massively intelligent, which is why I loved Thomas Jane’s portrayal. The Punisher is horrifyingly intelligent, he doesn’t just kill his enemies, he destroys them psychologically too. He also doesn’t kill out of pleasure, he kills methodically, and only when he needs to (unlike a current rendition of the Punisher). He is very emotionally reserved, rarely having outbursts of emotion (a clear sign of depression and PTSD, similar to the archetype of Mad Max). I can go on and on, but his character is very underrated and underrepresented outside of the comics.
Now I need to see Frank's story going through old world blues, seeing him change as a character, reflecting on what Joshua said and finally accepting the past before moving forward towards a brighter tomorrow
I assume that this Joshua is the one who went to war with the white legs and was talked down from killing general goboldeguk by the courier. Awesome video dude. And thanks for using Tom Jane voice from the punisher game. Both these games were legendary. Keep on rocking.
A conversation between Joshua and The Judge from Blood Meridian would be quite interesting. He wouldn't be a character too out of place in the setting either, all things considered.
Interesting. At first glance, Joshua stance vs Franks almost feels hypocritical when compared to how oppositional he was to Batman. But upon listening closely you'll hear he's coming from a more relatable stance to Frank, because of what he's been and has to go through vs never being a killer in the first place. It's kind of like when people who've never let's say played Basketball in their lives try to debate basketball to a former pro. He doesn't condemn Frank with his words but he definitely attempts to nudge Frank's worldview in a different direction. Which eventually would lead to not killing. Which in turn would prove Batman right, albeit as wishful of an ask it may be.
I know he doesn’t exactly have a normal voice but might I suggest John from Faith the unholy trinity. John is a man who has fought against daemons with nothing but his lingering faith and a cross. He may not have walked through fire like Joshua but John went through his own trail of fire to restore his faith. Love to hear the conversation between the two.
In the desolate hush of Zion's land,
A visitor stands, with a heavy hand.
"Ah, another traveler, what brings you here?"
Frank's voice cuts through, cold and clear.
"I met a man in riot gear, said I should come,
With a flash of light, now here I am, numb."
"Chalk led me to you, the burned man they say,"
Joshua Graham, with scars on display.
"Your arrival’s no accident, Frank,
There are forces at play, though their motives are blank.
You were brought to me, perhaps for guidance or truth,
A mirror to show you the cost of your youth."
"I need no reflection, no spiritual guide,
My path is carved from the blood and the pride.
Justice is what I seek, no more, no less,
To avenge my family, to right this distress."
"Justice is fraught with peril, a path unclear,
I once walked in vengeance, consumed by my fear.
I served a warlord, believing in our cause,
But in the end, I was lost in the jaws."
"I'm not a warlord or a puppet on strings,
I’m a father, a husband, mourning what life brings.
The scum I pursue took everything from me,
And if blood must flow, then let it be free."
"Will your bloodshed fill the void of despair?
Or will it deepen the wounds that you bear?
It's not what you've lost, but what you create,
In the ashes of vengeance, can you cultivate?"
"I know your pain, I’ve walked through the flame,
Burned by the fire, I've carried the shame.
But redemption came not from the wrath of my fist,
But from nurturing life, from what I had missed."
"Vengeance and protection, can they coexist?
I protect the innocent by striking with a twist.
Yet fire begets fire, a cycle unending,
And at what cost is this war you’re spending?"
"You stand at a crossroads, as I once did,
One path leads to pain, the other to bid.
Peace can be found, if you dare to believe,
Not just for the world, but for your heart to retrieve."
"In this war, there’s no space for peace,
Not until the guilty face their release."
"Then you’ve chosen a war that never will cease,
For guilt will persist, and pain won’t decrease."
"The best we can hope for is justice divine,
Yet are we the ones to draw that line?
God has turned his back on the cries of the meek,
It’s up to the strong to act and speak."
"What of your life, Frank, in your quest for revenge?
You punish the guilty, but at what end?
I suffered and burned, but in pain, I found light,
True strength is enduring and holding on tight."
"You talk of redemption as if it's a game,
But I’ve lost my family, I’ve borne their blame.
When you lose everything, it’s hard to believe,
In ideals of humanity, in the hope to achieve."
"But those internal battles, they shape who we are,
In a world of misery, they can be our star.
Even the darkest night holds a flicker of grace,
And in our struggle, we find our place."
"Maybe you’re right, this light I can’t see,
But right now, it feels too dim for me.
So follow your path, I hope you find it bright,
The journey of men is to crawl towards the light."
"One day you’ll remember what home felt like,
And until then, know you’re not alone on this hike.
Others have walked through their own fires,
Emerging reborn, igniting new desires."
"I’ll ponder your words, they resonate deep,
For in this wasteland, there’s much to keep.
But let’s shift our focus to matters anew,
I don’t suppose you’ve a plan for what’s due?"
"Your journey back isn’t as simple as it seems,
You must find your own way, beyond your dreams.
No more flashing lights to guide you hence,
You’re a traveler now, in this vast expanse."
"You’ll make your way southwest, through Vegas’s sprawl,
To the Big Empty, where the past may enthrall.
A center of research, with technology grand,
To return you home, if you dare to stand."
"Why this trouble? What’s the intent of your guide?
Is it a message buried, a truth to abide?"
"Old World Blues speaks of those who can’t see,
The present’s reflection, the future’s decree."
"It’s a story you must live, not merely hear,
To understand the past and face your fear.
For your journey’s your own, the tale yours to spin,
In the Wasteland’s embrace, let the adventure begin."
"Thank you for your wisdom, your insight today,
Until we meet again, may you find your way.
The journey is daunting, the road may be long,
But in every struggle, we find where we belong."
"Until next time, Frank, may your heart stay strong,
And may your path lead you to where you belong."
"As you say, Joshua, I’ll take what I find,
For every echo carries the weight of the mind."
Would you be willing to make a Batman and Ezio Auditore debate the no kill rule video?
The No Kill role is stupid. If the system cannot keep or contain the evil, then it's irresponsible to keep villains alive.
Ay, Frank.
If God seems silent, it's because the teacher doesn't talk during the test.
ain't htat some muslim line?
One might wonder why an omniscient being needs to test anyone at all...
@@Mandalore863 Easy answer; so you can see if you'd pass. Know you could vs know you did
@@hallowedbeyourdays no offense, but that may be the dumbest answer I've heard in a long time..and I've heard some bad ones lmao
@@Mandalore863 Existential problems require primitive solutions.
I love how you understand punisher, he knows his killing isn’t right, but it’s also not wrong all the way, it’s just… his way, his way of trying to help stop others from feeling his pain
May I suggest Ulysses and Joshua Graham debating.
This is a peculiar characterization of the Punisher. In the comics he genuinely enjoys what he does, and while he doesn't hate his family and still misses them, he doesn't really want them or a normal life back despite having enjoyed it and sometimes yearning for death hoping to be returned to it, but he doesn't wage war for himself and doesn't care for the cost to himself because he views it as necessary and himself as deserving of any suffering it brings. He considers Frank Castle dead and separate from the Punisher, and he's a Catholic who was going to be a priest before he became the Punisher, and while he views his work as justice he views himself as evil for doing it and even moreso for enjoying it and goes to confession on Sundays to pray for forgiveness even though he believes himself undeserving of it.
Joshua seems to have the dialect of a Dunmer in Skyrim.
Same voice actor. The male dunmer voice is also Keith Szarabajka
6:53 The idea of the Punisher Making his way across the Fallout Wastelands sounds like an entertaining story. Ironically I belive I named one of My Courier's Frank Castle at one point.
I'm glad we acknowledge both sides having good points and neither is truly wrong or entirely correct. It all depends on what you believe and what fits your morals.
"Until next time, Frank. And god be with you."
"Sometimes I'd like to get my hands on god." - Ray Stevenson's Punisher. R.I.P.
Another. Character for Joshua to talk to Alucard from Hellsing
Oh boy.
I know this is going to be a bit unusual but I just need to hear Joshua speak to Dagoth ur. I feel like if the courier had gotten to him, things would have changed drastically
I'm so glad to see someone still remembers that game
The voice actor NAILED IT, truly the real voice pf The Punisher in my opinion
I liked the game more than the movie. Granted, I saw the movie on one of the honest worst days of my life. I miss Ray Stevenson's Frank though.
How exactly did you make this? This is nuts
Red Hood and Punisher next?
Well, the wasteland is in a big trouble now, they have punisher that has to came through the whole wasteland to come back home and you can say that he won't hesitate at purging out the whole legion camp including Caesar and lanius after seeing what happened with nipton
so, the course of action is almost the same. The difference is Joshua is more "defensive" than punisher. We also have to remember that Frank Castle saves the last bullet for himself. While joshua still has some hope. I think that is their main difference
Joshua Graham versus Krombopulus Micheal.
"Why do you kill?"
"It's fun!"
Something tells me that The Punisher will do just fine out in The Wasteland. I'm sure he'll appreciate the riot shotgun.
Honestly, the best part is that you capitalized He and Him when Joshua or Frank are referring to God
I love this, I get stupidly tired of the no-kill rule. These two are killers, but one has found peace(I think, idk Joshua), and one is eternally tormented by PTSD and dead family. And being wokeified. And being used a USMC propaganda. Poor punisher’s been through a lot.
I appreciate that even if they don't see eye to eye, there's still respect as they listen to each other's point of views.
This is pretty much canon no one convinces me otherwise for i must have conviction.
Imagine Boone and Frank
I'd imagine they'd be besties cue Hello my honey theme song as they Montague and kill raiders, fiends, legionarys and the kingpins baddies
How about enclave debates the space marines of warhammer 40k
Pretty cool if we had Azrael and Joshua graham debate on religion.
Idea for a video: someone (I personally imagine the SS from FO4, if they somehow crossed paths, as he was pre-war) asking Joshua how he could still believe in God after the nuclear apocalypse.
I don’t mean in a cringy Reddit atheist way, but in a “I can’t help but think god abandoned us.” way, a genuine crisis of faith.
Hence why I specifically imagine the SS talking to him. Maybe SS was a devout Christian before, until the bombs fell and their spouse was killed. (That’s my headcanon anyway)
“I used to be able to close my eyes and pray, but now when I close my eyes, I only see the bombs. When I open them up, I only see the destruction. I’ve tried so desperately to pray and believe, but He has abandoned us…and rightfully so.”
If you also subscribe to the idea that Male SS was a war criminal, he could feel like all of this was his divine punishment. (Adding a link between M-SS and Joshua.)
I’d love to see an interaction like this. A devout believer speaking to someone who lost their faith when he watched the bombs fall.
Boy I wonder how well Nightcrawler would handle talking to Frank Castle in regards to God’s love n his ways of punishing evil
Feels like a therapy session 😂
God? You think he's watching this if he was he turned his back a long time ago, damn you think there are some things the punisher won't say something so cold 😐😐🥶
Do one with daredevil and Joshua debate
I don't know why but watching these AI videos has put a bunch of conservative political videos in my feed.
I wish i had someone in my life as well spoken and wise as joshua. Probably could have stopped me from making some bad decisions in my youth but i cant change that now
If punisher learned the lesson in Big MT, I can’t imagine what it would mean for him. To understand “New World Hope”.
You should do a video using dark souls characters it would be so cool to see interactions with sir gideon and smough !
I know it's selfish but I want to help a friend to play a character, Azrael from the DC universe. He can't seem to understand the character, and neither are we his friends, since we have no knowledge of him. But perhaps if he could watch this kind of video about him, his personality, beliefs and motivations would make him closer and more defined in what he tries to interpret. We are roleplaying as some sort of incarnations from different stories, comics or what ever you'd think of.
Punisher and Anakin Skywalker dialogue ?
THIS HAS LORE!!!!?????
This was pretty legit
You should do Joshua Graham and Ellie from The Last of Us 2 debating revenge
should be Frank or Joshua against Abby
next, superman? the doctor?
Frank Castle doesnt deal in nor debate justice... Frank Castle deals in punishment... plain simple cold and permanent... punishment
*( ͠° ͟ ͜ʖ ͡ ͠°) The Punisher being put in his place.*
There is a saying in this wasteland: Old World Blues.
It refers to those so obsessed with the past, that the cannot see the present, much less the future, for what it is.
They stare into what was, eyes like pilot lights, guttering and spent. As the realities of their world continue on around them.
yea, so joshua needs to talk to like, all people...oh god get the Emperor from warhammer 40k! Last church part 2! Only this case the Emperor can't burn the wasteland down!
Now do Venom Snake.
Even if the pain is relative, solidarity is still present. Frank lost his loved ones, Joshua was set on fire. Different pains, two strong men.
I was waiting for Graham to drop the “War never changes” line, but maybe that was low hanging fruit.
Dude do one with him and revy talking about god
Who is Revy?
@@TheCouriersGambit If I had to guess, the red headed character from "Black Lagoon".
Basically a character who had nearly everything go wrong in their lives and it turned them into a psychopathic mercenary.
Though she becomes kinda obsessed with a crew member they bring on at the start of the show, someone who's normal and is mostly morally good, but chooses to stay with a bunch of mercenaries and pirates rather than going back to their old life.
Can you do a peacemaker one
@@Richardhudsoon what?
@@RomeBernsteinit's just a bot
@@ST0AT ah thanks m8
What would happen if Joshua was visited by Charlie from hazbin hotel, and was asked about redemption?
at the end, Charlie becomes an angel who watches over Joshua (cue funni animated series)
He would tell her that her goal is admirable, but that she will never know better than God about redemption.
Ooof 😂
Josh debates with the strange man from rdr next?
Make one with Daredevil, please!
Bethesda could NEVER make a Joshua Graham ever
I would love to see Tony Soprano interact with Joshua