Dune (2021) | Movie Reaction & Review | Lay Off The Spice!
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- The two of us head to Arrakis and get a little spicy with Dune (2021). Here's our reaction to our first time watching.
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No they're not married. She's a concubine. The Duke left himself available for marriage in case he needed a political marriage.
The Emperor Shaddam IV considered a political marriage between Leto and his daughter Irulan, but his jealousy towards Leto's popularity in the Landsraad ultimately won.
@@thoso1973 its weird that gaius says wife in that one scene. script error?
But, the future will remember Jessica and Chani as the wives!
@@maciedixon3983 well alot people call someone wife that isnt married xD
Are you talking about these TH-cam reactors?
Paul sees _possible_ futures. What _might_ happen, but not necessarily what _will_ happen.
In the book, Paul cries after killing Jamis, and the Fremen say "he gives water to the dead" which is part of their messiah prophecy.
A lot of cool things got left out dialog wise. I'm still waiting for moods to be for cows and love-making!
yes, but he cries at the ceremony after the fight not at the fight. that scene still may (should) come in part two
Yeah, when I read the book as a college kid I remember that the duel scene mentioned the Fremen got angry at Paul because they thought he was toying with Jamis by the way he was fighting him but in reality it was because Paul was accustomed to fighting opponents wearing personal shields while wearing one himself so his blows had to look half-hearted in order to be able to pierce the shield because if he put too much force into them the shield would knock them back.
@@jmhaces not too much force but slow
@@scotthewitt258 as much as it is an amazing sentence think about it would it fit in the tone that the scene is going for?
31:10 The Baron floated to a corner of the roof to avoid as much of the poison as he could, but it still hurt him, which is why he's taking a long spice bath (the spice extends life).
Not something that needed to be added. Whatever isn’t in the movie is a spoiler.
@@griff5940 All of this _was_ in the movie... I mean the quote in the film was changed to "the spice _preserves_ life" and it was on Paul's "Everything you wanted to know about Arrakis (but were too afraid to ask)" video instead of Irulan's writings (no chapter headers to put her writings on...), but the meaning is still the same... and given what the film has been showing us about the spice and the Harkonnens up to that point it's safe to assume that the Baron's treatment after being almost poisoned to death probably involves the Harkonnens' vast reserves of spice (we've been told it has healing and life preserving properties, and the colour fits with what we've seen the spice to look like, though darker, probably due to concentration or to it being in liquid form)... I don't even remember if a similar scene _is_ in the book or not (it's been a while since I last read it), it simply follows from what was shown in the film... I was just clarifying it because they hadn't recognised the Baron up on the roof and were wondering what he was doing in that tub of liquid, since they missed the fact that he'd been injured. 🤷♂️
You can see his Shield flicker red. Red is slow stuff penetrating. He definitely got some poison. I legitimately thought he was not going to survive this version. Since directors do sometimes change things from the expected outcome from the book or the movie being re-made. And this is both.
@@scotthewitt258 Yeah, a shield wouldn't do much about gas, otherwise you'd suffocate when using it... I suppose it could stop suspended particles if they were moving fast enough (i.e., if they were hot), maybe it could even protect you from fire to some extent, but I wouldn't want to be the one to try it. The poison must have been somewhat heavier than air, and thus less concentrated towards the ceiling, which is probably what saved him... and, well, his body mass might have had something to do with it, too... he simply might have needed more poison to kill him than the other people in the room; combine both things (and possibly the shield to some extend), and the bastard survives long enough to be found and get treatment.
(Of course a proper neurotoxin would have killed him - and possibly _only_ him and Leto - on his first breath, but Dr. Yueh probably had to make do with whatever medicines he had, I doubt the Atreides would have let him play with deadly neurotoxins, no matter how much they trusted him...)
That black goo was spice? Man, it's so difficult to follow this movie for someone who never read the books.
The visions you see Paul see aren't all linear. Paul basically sees all the different possible time paths. That is why in one vision he sees Duncan alive with the Fremen and in another vision he sees Duncan dead. Paul essentially see's all the different possibilities at once (which is a near infinite amount of possibilities) and then instantly decides the best choices to make.
I think his visions with Duncan and his death especially are conflicted due to stuff I won't get into.
I thought him seeing Duncan with the Fremen was while Duncan was on his mission. Then he saw him dead. But, the non-linear thing explains it as well.
hence The Golden path :)
I'm also pretty sure the visions are allegorical. He saw Chani killing him because she gave him the knife that he unalived himself with (metaphorically, he killed the old Paul, making way for the Kwizatz Haderach - the Bene Gesserit voice in his head said something to that end before the fight). He saw Jamis teaching him the way of the Desert because Jamis taught him that you have to kill or be killed. Nothing in the desert will just be handed to you. It was a deep lesson, which is why his mind made him see Jamis when he was learning other things about the desert.
This is speculation. I just started the book.
@@DavidWright1138 I interpret it is just different paths, comes up more in later books.
Does anyone agree with me when I say one of the most amazing things in this movie is how cool they made the Ornithopter?
If only it was real I fly it everywhere
Very definitely they did the coolest possible ornithopter. Outside of a few unofficial illustrations I've never seen a better one
Corridor Crew made a great vid explaining the VFX going into creating the Ornithopters and why they look so great. Can recommend a watch!
My headcanon is the regular thopters are made by Chevy or Jeep and the fremen thopter is the equivalent of a ‘86 Ranger.
While Lynch's Dune will always have a special place with me. Denis did a great job building Frank's universe.
This is without a doubt my favorite film of the year (don't like to use "best" with things whose quality is measured by opinion). It may be my favorite film of the 21st century. I have to think about that one.
Villeneuve hit it out of the park with Arrival and BR2049. The man is fast approaching Nolan levels of greatness if he keeps this up.
This and Blade Runner 2049 are at the top of the last three years for me
@@HighLordBlazeReborn Come on now... Many of the designs in this film are lifted from pre-existing artwork, and narratively speaking the story is cut in half. I know people are wow'ed by the visuals in the film but Villeneuve is working from other people's creations.
Mine too!
@@RichardStrong86 of course Villeneuve is working from another person's creation. It's literally a fucking book adaptation.
One problem with Dune is that the book came out in the 1960s, and many iconic concepts have been used in other films. Star Wars, A new Hope, in 1977 had a desert planet, C3PO walks by a huge serpentine skeleton, the Jawa sandcrawler is a huge desert traveling vehicle, C3PO states that he will be sent to the Spice Mines, Han is in trouble with Jabba for dumping his cargo of spice. The “Jedi mind trick” comes from the Benefit Gesseret “voice”
I simply HATE the TV trailers that keep saying "The Next Star Wars and Lord of the Rings". Star Wars took everything it did not rip off from Japanese Samurai cinema from the Dune books.
@@scotthewitt258 not ripping off anything, INSPIRATION not ripping off
I think this is the reason it felt so underwhelming and boring when I watched it in theater day before yesterday...I was almost asleep. Also I felt the characters failed to connect, didn't feel anything for them...which I blame Villenueve for. I loved Blade Runner 2049 but this time was disappointed ☹️
@@scotthewitt258 And Dambusters, it pretty much ripped off the entire space battle off of that too.
And the sarlacc, of course
I just watched this in theaters today--the bass when Paul uses The Voice was DEAFENING
I bet. I watched on HBOMax Thursday the second it dropped. The audio must be incredible in a theatre, though!
@@scotthewitt258 it is! this movie is made for the big screen both in audio and in cinematography. dune is an experience more than a movie, i am so glad that i saw it in a theater first! now i want to se it in imax.
Lol yeah it was kinda funny
When I heared it I jumped into my seat just as intended.
It really NEEDS to be seen in the theatre!
I think the vision of the guy Paul kills saying "I will show you the ways of the desert" is metaphorical in the sense that Paul killing him is how he ends up joining the Fremen tribe. So it's not that he directly teaches Paul anything, but he was what enabled Paul to be taught.
I think it was another possible future (I seem to remember that from the book)
I’m not convinced the guy in his vision is the same as the guy he fights.
@@maxducoudray it most likely is Liet Kynes father, right? Still is weird because he is supposed to be long dead the time the movie takes place in.
@@maudelhoyo4019 Oh yeah, that’s a great observation, I bet it is him! It could also be someone we will see in Part Two, but I think your idea is it.
could be, or it could be that by forcing Paul to kill him, he taught Paul the ways of the desert.
The simple background to the conflict is that the Emperor’s troops (the Sardaukar, the troops in white) are unbeatable. Josh Brolin and Jason Momoa’s characters are such great warriors that they are able to train the Atreides troops to be almost as good, and the Emperor cannot tolerate the potential of a military challenge. So he sets the Atreides up to be eliminated. (Little does he realize, the Fremen are even greater fighters.)
I know that The Saga of Duncan Idaho does not get going if Duncan survives, And that Kynes also is fated to die. But, the WAY it all happened was kinda poorly done, for me. Sardaukur are the equal of any ten troops in the known Imperium. But, Fremen CHILDREN take out SQUADS single-handedly when they attack the Sietches. Having the Fremen lose to the Sardaukar after having the added advantage of the element of surprise in the Research Station just so that Duncan can begin his journey and Kynes can get got kinda Nerfs the Fremen.
@@scotthewitt258 - A handful of Fremen took out most of the battalion that came in.
Its not just the fact that the Atreides military is strong and loyal, but that Leto is the head of an Honorable House so many of the other Houses look to the Atreides for leadership. All the other Houses together, balance the Power of the Emperor.
The Sardaukar was also the reason why Duke Leto wanted to make an alliance with the Fremen. The Sardaukar are born and trained on the imperial prison planet Salusa Secundus where the environment is so harsh that half the children die before reaching the age of 11. And the ones that survive are inducted into the Sardaukar army. Because of that they're some of the fiercest and toughest warriors in the Known Universe. Similarly, Arrakis also has a harsh environment which also made the Fremen equally as fierce and as tough as the Sardaukar. With a Fremen army on its side, House Atreides could stand toe to toe against the Imperial House.
'Drum sand' is sand thats hollow underground so it makes rhythmic noises that attracts the sand worms. basically only choice they had was to run for their lives.
dont worry about not understanding anything fully yet. in this part of the book nothing is explained either. most things will get clear in the next movie.
this is probably the best book to movie adaptation I've ever seen
It's awesome for those of us that know the background. But, I get it does confuse brand new fans.
Thank you for this comment. Now I get it. I thought the director, whose Blade Runner 2049 I loved, did a bad job with it not explaining anything for those who never read the books. Usually I love slow and epic movies but feel sleepy only when I don't understand what's going on. I tried my best not to fall asleep in theater. But now I feel I get the nature of the movie. You are not supposed to understand what hasn't been explained. You need to watch both parts. It's like the Knightmare in BvS. I used to tell people you aren't supposed to understand everything. You need to wait for JL...basically ZSJL for it. That's the nature of the movie.
I agree!
Villeneuve's films are always mysteries that slowly unravel before your eyes. Though he leaves a lot of visual clues throughout, very few in the audience can see the twists coming (unless they know the work the movie is based on).
Liet-Kynes is a man in the novel. And there's a whole series of Appendices in the book to explain in-universe vocabulary, the basics of the Guild, of CHOAM, and of how the Orange Catholic Bible is used as the vehicle to help spread and reinforce the tenets that came out of the Butlerian Jihad: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind."
So lots of things are explained in the book. It's just that too many people are too lazy to read it.
Denis did a great job with the adaption and as a fan of the books I loved it. I have to say that I went to see it with a friend who didn't read the books and he really enjoyed it too and it made him want to read the books. Here in Europe, Dune did pretty good. Hopefully they gross enough money now that it's out in the US so they can make the second part.
My favourite character from the movie was definitely Lady Jessica and my favourite scene was the Gom Jabbar scene, I had goosebumps while watching. It was so well done.
The movie is really good at giving exposition just through visuals. That was perfect.
But it falls quite short of the intrecacies of the character motivations in the book. That is of course what makes the book so hard to adapt and in some parts the David Lynch version did this better, in others Villeneuve did better. The best adaptation when it comes to script is still the TV Miniseries, but that of course suffers from a ridiculous production design.
@@Quotenwagnerianer I agree but I think that comes with the majority of book to movie adaptations. The good thing is that the movie is going to make a lot of people want to go and read the book.
@@Quotenwagnerianer yeah Doctor Yueh was done so dirty in the movie LOL.
Warner Brothers stated to the media, in the last day or two, they're doing Part 2.
@@NefariousKoel so happy to hear that 🎉
Paul was trained with a shield in mind. A shield stops quick-moving objects, but will allow a slow object to penetrate. So, Paul's attacks against Jamis were slow. Also, Paul's reluctant to kill because he's never had to do it before. In the book, Stilgar criticizes Paul for "playing" with Jamis instead of finishing quickly, as he's obviously capable of doing.
And his mother does not congratulate him for winning but asks him scornfully how it feels killing a man. She does it deliberately to shock him into a higher consciousness in an attempt to prevent him from being casual about killing as others in his position of power are.
He criticized him in this movie as well when he asked Jessica if Paul was toying with Janus
9:14 the funny thing is the Jedi are actually based on Bene Gesserit. like 99% of star wars.
the jedi are based on the Samurai with a dash of the Bene Gesserit
When you understand how the Bene Gesserit get their power, it is so much cooler than Jedi. Lots of Training, Study, Discipline (both mental and physical), and Spice. Not magical at all but definitely mystical to those how don't know how they do it.
George Lucas plagiarized so much from Dune that Frank Herbert considered suing him.
@@houseofaction They dressed like Samurai, but acted like Bene Gesserit. Samurai were dedicated to their "Masters", not the population at large. Both the Jedi, and their predecessors, the Bene Gesserit , served the "Greater Good" of their universes. Working behind the scenes to make a better society.
@@kananiokala4423 Jedi also require a lot of training though, they train their entire lives. The potential to do what they do is magical, but to actually use it, it requires massive amount of training.
I’ve been very wary of this movie since Frank Herbert’s novel is so dense, thankfully this seems like a decent and measured adaption
It helps that it's just the first half, too; it sucks having to wait for the second one, but at least the pacing was perfect and there weren't any significant changes or cuts (unless I'm missing something; it's been a while since I last read the book).
It is incredible
As was David Lynch version before studio messed it up , cutting half off of it , thats why there are parts missing .
Saw it in theaters.....for a 3 hour movie IT MOVES SOOO SSSSLLOOOOW.
@@andrewjacksonbr It's definitely not fast-paced, but it didn't _feel_ long for me and who I saw it with, if anything it felt shorter than we expected... I've watched much shorter films that felt much longer (and to be fair, Dune isn't a particularly fast book either, so the pace felt right to me).
The blue eyes of the Fremen, the Eyes of Ibad, are a result of saturation of the blood with the Spice. Happens to anyone who lives on Dune long enough. Unless, like the Harkonnens, you pay truly exorbitant prices for air filtration units in your living space.
I really love how this movie for the first time shows how intense the spice saturation is. To see particles of spice glittering in the shafts of sunlight floating in the air is awesome.
To make matters more interesting spices highly addictive and spice withdrawal is always fatal
The great thing about Paul's visions in the film is that they were uncertain potential futures. That's why Paul sees visions of Jamis talking to him as if they were friends, even though he ends up killing him in single combat immediately after they first meet at the end. Brilliant take on visionary experience. It made me think of one of the aspects in Villeneuve's film Arrival, which I definitely recommend you do a reaction to. Keep up the great work! Cheers!
No matter the adaptation, Dune will always be confusing to those who didn’t read the book.
This movie is not confusing if you pay attention. There are many subtle hint to how everything works in dune world. Yes it is very heavy to absorb. But once you do you'll get everything and it won't be confusiong anymore
@@eliasbonafe9236 I prepared myself before it came out so I understood it completely and I had the biggest smile on my face when I saw it it felt like only an hour rather than 2 and half hours
@@eliasbonafe9236 This movie is not hard to understand because it is only 50% of the first book, and it is not nearly as dense as the source material.
@@RichardStrong86 yep, I'm sure of it. Every big book when adapted into movies lose a lot of density, but the movie purpose is not to replicate the complexity and the density of the book, simply because it is impossible for how movie works today. That being said Dune part one density is basically much more than all the movies I can recall, except for Fellowship of the Ring. It is not a case that these two are (dune and lotr) are rispectively cornerstones of their own genre
Not confusing at all I actually understood this one a-lot more than the original. Beautiful writing beautifully directed
Mrs. Movies: "I love that I don't have to listen to movies as loud as you like to listen to them."
Mr. Movies: "What?"
The disapproving shake of the head of Mrs.Movies and smirk of Mr. Movies is just marriage perfection.
That moment was the best moment for me! Better than the awesomeness of watching two people become fans of the Saga of Duncan Idaho!
My wife and I can never agree how loud to play movies either. I have a fairly high quality audio setup and I like to crank it up sometimes. That said, I think a lot of movie theaters have the volume up too high sometimes.
Not entirely understanding why people get confused with this movie. It’s all explained with visuals or dialogue.
Dune is a rather dense and complex story it requires more viewings for it to click with you and if read the book it might help explain some stuff a bit better
About the scene when the imperial judge (the leader of the fremen) died: in the movie she was calling the worm to ride it, just like when they see some fremen riding it by the end of the movie. Those hooks that she was holding have this purpose. In the book, however, Kynes is a guy and it's a very complex scene because he actually has a whole crisis while the worm is coming and he basically lets it eat him, but it would be too complicated for the movie to explain this passage, so they chose this path instead. I actually like this moment in the movie more than in the book.
As a fan of the book, I thought this was an incredible adaptation. Beautifully done.
Nah. In the books, Kynes has been stranded deep in the desert. It's complex because he thinks over the process that creates the spice deep below the surface and can smell the reaction is near completion. His thoughts hint at what comes later in the book, just before the spice bloom erupts and consumes him.
That's a tricky bit of exposition that can be delivered much more easily some other way. I felt the death in the movie was essentially the same (betrayed by the emperor), and she got to be a bit of a badass fremen too. It also hints at how the worms are ridden, as you said.
I agree it was beautifully done.
In the book Kynes is left in the desert without a stillsuit to die so again if faced with a truthsayer they could truthfully say they didn't directly inflict his death. Kynes wasn't killed by a worm but by the explosion of a pre spice mass below him. He was in fact killed by the planet he was attempting to change. While wandering in the desert he began to have hallucinatory conversations with his father that Herbert used to express his ecological concerns that Dune was based upon. Paul wasn't the only flawed character who failed to escape man's attempts to control what cannot be controlled, Kynes too was a character that on the surface was trying to do something good in changing the ecology of the planet while the truth is that both he and the Fremen were guilty of trying to bend nature to their will, making it something they desired but wasn't natural at all.
@@kkjhn41 It struck me on my first read through that Keynes was a John the Baptist figure to Paul as Messiah. Except it was really Kynes *and* his father who prepared the way - they made the Femen believe that it was really possible to turn Arrakis into a garden, and set up the multi-generational process of gathering the water and preparing to terraform. Later that was a huge part of the Fremen's motivation for helping Paul become Emporer.
@@benjaminodonnell258 Even when Kynes had sent out word to find Paul none of them accepted him as the "Voice from the outer world" just on that basis and Kynes never said that Paul was the foretold Messiah, just that he as the rightful Duke, a fact Paul made him acknowledge, was a better alternative to the Harkonnen's rule of Arakis.
Kynes was a scientist who began by manipulating the Fremen's religious beliefs to use them as part of his own plan for the ecology of Arakis but then as Duke Leto put it, had gone native. Despite his scientific training and his colonizer's view of the populace of Dune as being "his Fremen" he found himself wondering if the myth of the "Voice from the outer world" was both real and embodied in the child Paul.
Ultimately, he accepted Paul's official position as Duke and on that basis decided to help him escape the Sardaukar who were hunting him. When Paul and Jessica were found by the Fremen they were willing to take Paul in because he was young and able to be trained, he wasn't seen as a Messiah approved by Keynes and Jessica certainly wasn't valued as part of the Myth, they were ready to kill her on the spot.
The John the Baptist analogy doesn't really fit Keynes. It was the Bene Gesserit through their Missionaria Protectiva that sowed the seeds of superstition and religious myth to protect a sister who might find themselves in need of a lever to manipulate a potentially hostile and dangerous foreign culture. It was never intended to provide Paul's basis for playing the role of Messiah, that was the unintended but one could argue inevitable result of their taking on to themselves the task of deciding what was in the best interest of humanity and acting on it through their training and breeding program.
Dune is ultimately a refutation of the myth of control.
@@kkjhn41 One of the central tenets of Dune is "beware the charismatic leader." Even those with the best of intentions can be unlucky or screw things up spectacularly. Leto's men learned that as they were being mowed down by the Harkonnens and Sardaukar.
The visions aren't literal. Jamis taught him the ways of the desert: the way of the desert is death. Chani killed the boy Paul was by giving him her Crysknife.
Apparently US audiences are strangers to metaphors.
I saw Dune in IMAX yesterday & it just begs to be seen on a huge screen. This really is the adaptation that fans of the novel; like myself, have been wanting for so long.
It wasn’t rushed & forced to cram the story in to a short run time like the Lynch version; it was given the space to breathe. Also the vastness of the worlds were also allowed that space.
Not for a long time; probably since Blade Runner 2049, or seeing LOTR in a theatre have repeatedly let out sighs of relief….& smiled so much at how amazing a film has been.
From a design point of view (as I have a degree in film design), the worlds are spectacular. From the Grecian influence on Caladan, to the brutalist buildings of Arrakeen were epic. The size of the Guild Highliners is incredible….& seeing Salusa Secundus was just the icing on the cake. Can’t wait to see more of Shai Hulud!!
Also, the inclusion of the mouse made the fan boy in me freak out!!
Casting was spot on; just wish we’d been given more of Piter De Vries!! Rebecca Ferguson was excellent as Jessica; her connection to Paul in the test scene is awesome. Also, the controversial regendering of Liet Kynes didn’t even bother me. The Baron is truly terrifying; not some pantomime villain as we saw in the Lynch version.
Hopefully in Part 2 (which by all accounts will be the second part of the book & Dune Messiah rolled into one), we get to see Zendeya’s Chani be given the chance to really develop.
Also, we’re yet to see Feyd Rautha; who at the moment is still not cast due to WB waiting to green light part 2.
The soundtrack & sound design was just perfect; the bagpipes as Gurney lead the troops into battle was 👌🏻
10/10 & an absolute must see in the theatres!!!
Question for the fans: Do we think that Piters pet was the remains of Yueh’s wife? After all he said they took her apart like a doll.
there will be a third movie for Dune Messiah.
the visions: If there are things out of focus on screen then the vision is cloudy, some of what he sees it true and some not. If the vision is clear, focused and easy to follow they are true.
Maybe a better way would be to say that some visions are more likely to become true than others. Paul sees different possibilities of what might happen, his actions do matter as the future is not set in stone. Once he choses to follow a path of a possible future certain outcomes become inevitable, though.
@@toncica no, when you watch the movie it is clear if you pay attention, the director set it up that way, visions that are "clear" are true and ones that are cloudy are possible
@@AddSerious I'm not sure why you use the word 'true' for the visions. Do you think in the Dune universe everything is predetermined? I've read the books and I never got that impression.
@@toncica it was a director choice how to show it, This an interesting way to do so. If you see a vision and it is out or focus or cloudy it is possible, if clear and easy to see it is future
@@toncica we are talking the movie, the way he filmed it. If it is CLEAR with no out of focus things then it is a true vision, if part of it are somewhat out of focus then it is what could be
When Stilgar gave Jessica and Paul his countenance, all the Fremen cut the back of their hands because the Crysknife cannot be sheathed without drawing blood. They cut that part with the Shadout Mapes, either in editing, or in the script.
That contradiction between his visions and real life is intentional and it's awesome you picked up on it. He can only see parts of possible futures and those futures change with every action he makes.
That lady who died while calling a worm, she was calling it for a ride. Those hooks are used for climbing onto them
She was calling it, so it could eat her and her enemies.
But, yes, you can ride them, with the Hooks.
@@lokithecat7225 no she wasn't
@@ozymandias3068 in the books he had resolved himself to death. I think this was just showing it in quicker way since the death in the books is via exposure to the sun.
She had been stabbed in the gut already in the movie.
This was a rare case where I didn't mind the gender swap.
This is a bit of a spoiler in that I bet it will be a sort of “big reveal” in Part Two.
@@lokithecat7225 She is clearly holding a set of hooks when she calls the worm. So yes, she was intending to ride it, then unexpectedly got stabbed and then resigned herself to be eaten.
It's pretty much exactly like the book. It captures the essence of the book better than any other adaptation of book to movie.
Yeah, I was super worried going in, knowing just how ridiculously dense the books are. But they distilled it down to the important things extremely well. I'm excited to see people figuring out where this is going. Because it's not going where a lot seem to think it will be. :D
Well, its like the first half of the book.
It's pretty hard for a movie to explain the complexities of the Bene Gesseritt, but this movie at least did well in showing that they are important.
The miniseries was a good interpretation
Yes! Love that you guys watched this. It's really epic on the big screen. A sequel is already underway though the budget will depend on the box office of this film. btw Denis Villeneuve is French Canadian so it's pronounced denee vill-noov.
I would say Den-ee Veal Nerve is going to be easy for the septics to pronounce. I must admit, I learnt how to pronounce it from watching Formula One racing driver Gilles Villeneuve (no relation).
Paul has the hability to see future possibilities. There was a possibility that Jamis would be his friend, but something went wrong and the ended up fighting
If you're confused, just call Atreides "Stark" and Harkonnen "Lannister."
Haha Dune is game of thrones in space lol
@@andrewsmith8715 No, Game of Thrones is Dune in a fantasy world.
@@wratched Excellent point. I really love space feudalism its a cool aesthetic.
So, for reference, when David Lynch did the version from the 80s. The release had to give a piece of paper to explain all the terms in the theater. I saw it originally in the theater back then. Later when they did the 'Director's Cut' they had to add a voice over to explain all of those terms.
This version seems to just assume you will figure that out.
This 1984 film covered a lot more ground. Covered the entire book but to do that left out a lot of important stuff.
Always the Director's Cut. The theatrical version leaves out some key things. Like, if you just watch the theatrical cut, you have NO idea who the one woman and the two kids in Paul's private squad are.
@@scotthewitt258 The annoying thing about that is that Harah was never one of the fighters. She was Paul's servant for a year, choosing to help Jessica care for Alia (an adult mind in an infant's body doesn't mean the infant body doesn't need care). Some years later, Harah marries Stilgar.
Probably the biggest change I would have made it to better explain what a Mentat is and why they are needed.
The guy whose eyes rolls back and who has a tattoo on his lower lip is Thufir Hawat, the chief Mentat serving House Atreides. To someone familiar with the book it is clear that his eyes rolling back indicate that he is doing incredible complex calculations in his head. I assume the tattoo on his lip is supposed to be the stain from Sapho Juice, a drug that most Mentats use to increase their concentration and the speed of their calculations. (It is not Spice but Spice can be used to the same effect.)
Thinking machines have been outlawed for thousands of years, since humanity overthrew the domination of Terminator-like AIs during the Butlerian Jihad, so almost all computations have to be performed by human minds specially trained to process vast amounts of data like a super computer system would.
Few humans are capable of this. Those with the potential must be trained from a very young age, and informing them of their potential too early in the process makes further training impossible.
In the books there is a short scene where Paul is informed that he has what it takes to be trained as a Mentat, and is offered the opportunity to begin formal schooling to refine his abilities. Before we learn of his Bene Gesserit abilities it is said that a Duke with the genius of a Mentat is already someone to be feared.
That stood out for me too. People really need background on the Mentats and their significance as you stated.
@@thestarseeker8196 I feel like they might cover more details like that in Part 2, but regardless as a newbie to Dune who hasn't read the book yet (will fix soon) this was an incredible experience in the theater and still presents such a unique world, it's a breath of freash air after years of comic book movie spam.
And it also makes me wish even more that books like "Rendezvous With Rama", Ben Bova's "Mars", or even newer stuff like "We Are Legion, We Are Bob" got such incredible adaptations, so much good scifi out there and yet most people only know Star trek, or the Science Fantasy of Starwars.
And yes especially with Ben Bova's Mars it should deffinitly use all the retro tech described, go all in on being an alternate version of the future, it'll be an interesting contrast as we start to see real large scale missions landing on Mars
Compared to Dune 1982, this was much better. I confess, though that I like the miniseries better. This has the most amazing cinematography, it is really beautiful, but the miniseries is more accessible and develops the characters more. I think you would have a lot easier time following the story.
I like the miniseries as well. Music is pretty good
35:37 - It changes. Paul is seeing multiple possible futures. He saw a future where he joined the Fremen and became friends with Jamis, who taught him a life lesson that helped him survive the storm. But then, he ultimately chooses a future where he kills Jamis, and never knows him (except in his vision).
Where was there a possibility of Jamis not trying to kill Paul as Jessica's champion? The Fremen are described as a rigid society, the challenge seems inevitable...
@@zvimur Perhaps it was a future where Jessica died on the crossing, and so no besting Stilgar, and therefore no need for the amtal rule.
In the book Paul even considers if he could stop the visions from coming true by killing himself and Jessica in the cave, but if I remember right he sees that he has already started something with the Fremen and must kill all of of Stilgar's group as well in order to stop the future he sees coming.
@@DunawayCreations makes kind of sense. Unless we have DS9 situation with Shai Hulud spirit borrowing a face from Paul's future (like the wormhole prophets).
Duncan Idaho killed 19 before succumbing to his injuries
Mamoas character duncan killed 19 imperial soldiers in that fight. ( in the book anyway)
I didn't count, but he sure did take an honour guard with him in this film, too.
If 1 Imperial Sardaukar is equal to 10 Landsraad Soldiers, then Duncan's score should be 190? And if 1 of Paul's Fedaykin is worth 3 Sardaukar then would Duncan's score be 570? I say yes!
@@kananiokala4423 agreed. Sword master indeed
You guys should watch Master and Commander, The Far Side of the World.
It's an amazing movie.
Agreed marina its an amazing movie arguably the best historical movie ever .
Yup, amazing movie
I agree. It's another well done movie adapted from a great book series.
lol, this is like the first half of the first book....
Its decent adaptation.Cept unnecessary race/gender swaps.
Dune is my favorite book, and now my favorite movie. Thank you for doing this one. I enjoy your reactions.
And visa-versa Dune in now my favorite Movie and now I'm seeking out the book, seriously awe inspiring to watch in the theater, badly wanting to watch it again
This movie uses expository so well that it scratches my brain to hear someone yell "what's happening"
It's a near perfect blend of show and tell. Very few movies manage to hit that balance so well. Fury Road, Lord of the Rings spring immediately to mind.
For real, you need to not be paying attention to get the basic gist of the story
“A tooth of shai-hulud”
“What does that mean?”
“Wish I read the damn book”
Or just watch the damn movie?
(Seriously though, the movie did explained it. You just didn’t listen)
You were close. According to the book, Duncan kills 19 before he dies.
This is a very well made adaptation, but I can see why it would be confusing if you haven't read the book or have someone who read it nearby to clarify some key concepts, (like Paul's visions of the ever changing future). But I'm sure they will be explained on the next part. This covers about half of the first book, part two would cover the second half. The director said he would come back for a third movie that would cover the second book, but at the moment not even part two is in production.
Herbert never said directly that Paul's visions would work a "certain" way. He left it up to the reader to figure things out. In fact the Bene Gesserit were completely wrong as to what the "powers" of their "Messiah" would be. Paul had the power to "see" all possible futures. But not the "power" to be infallible in selecting the "right" one to make happen. That is the real story of Dune. In creating "Paul" the Bene Gesserit screwed up royally. People are just People. Not "God". The choices they make can be the wrong choices. And that mix of "power" and "fallibility" almost destroys the human race. Herbert wrote that warning 50 years ago.
I liked it better than the 1984 version it was more fleshed out. Of course you can't put everything from the book. But Part 2 we get the emperor of the known universe Shaddam IV , Feyd Routha .
Having watched the other versions, I felt the absence of the Emperor and the Pretty Prince, for sure. I have mentioned it has been DECADES since I read the books. Not sure when they actually show up in the books.
Reverend mother: goodbye young human I hope you live
Mrs: that’s very nice thanks
Me who read the book: yeah I wouldn’t be so sure about that
If you liked the film but haven't read the book i'd highly recommend it, you get so much more explanation about certain events. I hated that they changed Liet Keynes to a woman for no reason and didn't really explain the importance of the character. Otherwise really enjoyed it. Cinematography was fantastic, the ships and costumes were amazing, they really captured the world i had imagined, can't wait for the next one.
For me this was one of the rare cases where a gender swap on the character felt neither forced or out of place. The gender really isn't that important so long as the character serves the same purpose. The movie never really felt like it was trying to make any kind of statement with it.... thankfully.....
@@brianjones8432 I didn't mind the gender swap, but wish they went into a little bit more detail on how she inherited her father's scientific and political position as a planetary ecologist as well as her mother's position among the Fremen.
@@magister343 Agreed, but the movie is already 2 1/2 hours+, and the focus is the Atradies family more than anything else. There's just no way to cover the entirety of the book, even in what will be basically a 5 hour epic when completed. So that's a detail they really didn't need to include.
@@brianjones8432 The genderswap makes a mockery of both Fremen and Imperial culture. Women do NOT make the decisions in either culture, unless they are Bene Gesserit or the ruler of one of the very few female-dominated Great Houses.
In a patriarchal society like the Imperium, a female Imperial Planetologist who went native, married a native, and had a child with that native would not be kept on in her appointed position (that she would never have had anyway).
@@Shan_Dalamani In the context of this movie.... This telling and interpretation of the Dune story.... It had absolutely no bearing. Please stop trying to make a complete nonissue an issue......smh
Spice extends long life: hundreds even thousands of years at a time. it grants the ability to make large complext calculations, it grants visions of the future and other mental abilties. it is for this reason it is the most valuable substance in the universe.
it only extends their lifes to around 200 years. So, you can say it doubles their life span. And, if they stop taking it they die a miserable death, which billions will experience because of Paul's Jihad.
Thousands? Bullshit. The only character in the entire run of Frank Herbert-written novels who lives more than 200-300 years is Leto II, and he spends most of his 3000 years as a sandworm with a human face.
There's another character from the KJA/BH novels who lives longer, but let's not get into that one. She's just a deus ex machina character for when these two wrote themselves into a corner and needed a miraculous "save."
PAUL : Chani... No. Never mind. We are gonna save the line for the part 2. 🤣
He probably wanted to tell her about his visions and their future together. But, timing is everthing!
@@dordogne In the book and movie script, Paul actually does explains the visions at that sequence, if I recall correctly.
The book is really dense and they had to leave out a lot to keep it from getting bogged down,
but that said, its faithful to the central story of the book and does a great job at creating an immersive experience that I hope will get people interested in Dune
It certainly worked on me, absolutely fascinate by this movie
I've watched it 4 times already 👍 (Part 2 is all but confirmed)...this was like 15% of the story. Gurney Halleck is my fav. It did honor the book as much as it could
Gurney and Jessica are my favorites
@@briangrissman8947 At least this movie doesn't have Gurney toting a pug dog around with him for four in-universe years.
Genuine reaction, because she isn't familiar with the material. The 1980s movie went the other way, boring detailed exposition. This version requires one intuit what is going on. Spice can assist ;-)
OK, I like the video because of the Real Ghostbusters T-Shirt!
And I woult watch reactions on episdoes from that 🙂
Hello, take the time to READ THE DAMM BOOK. It is worth the time taken & better than you can imagine.
This movie was so faithful to the books. Obviously, even in a 2.5 hour movie you can't get every single detail in there but you can clearly see that the director is a huge fan of them and knows his materiel. Lady Jessica nailed it for sure. Part 2 has been green lit and is supposed to be released in 2023. Thanks for your reactions, this is my first time seeing you and I'll have to check out more!
If it was faithful to the book, Liet-Kynes would have been a man, and the opening narration would have been done by Princess Irulan. And Jessica wouldn't have whined about going back to Caladan, as in the novel she understood that her place was on Arrakis, taking advantage of the opportunity provided by the Missionaria Protectiva.
@@Shan_Dalamani oh wow, so in a two and a half hour movie there was only three sentences of things that didn't match with an 800 page book. I'd say that's pretty good!
@@M3A7 I gave three examples. Those are not the only examples. There are more. Having Jessica whine that she wants to go back to Caladan is to do a disservice to that character. That is not how she was written in the novel, at least not at that point. She does return to Caladan after the events of Dune. But while she and Paul are at the mercy of the Fremen, she realizes that her best option is to exploit the opening left by the Missionaria Protectiva that planted the seeds of the "messiah" myth that the Fremen believe in.
I went into this completely cold and am HOOKED. I absolutely loved it. The world building is intense! I just wish they had done a LOTR and filmed the movies back to back. It’s gonna be forever for the next one.
The movie is "Bare Bones" in comparison to what is going on in the books. The visualizations in the movie were stunning though, way better than anything I could have imagined reading the books. My jaw dropped seeing this, I was in full nerd-gasm.
The Baron in the books is way more devious and deviant, truly a masterful villain. Intelligent and cunning..."Plans within plans, within plans".
From what i heard The director agreed to do the movie only if he could split in to two movies. Compared to the book there is way, way to much info and character development missing. However this is real close to the 84" movie. I would say i like this one better visually but the 84" version better information wise. They did an irritating narrative style, but it did give you a little bit better info so you weren't totally confused as you experienced. I suggest since you already started with the movies wait and see if #2 gets approved. If not, and you like to read go ahead and read the first novel it really is an awesome story.
Don't judge this movie fully until part 2 comes out. Part 1 is a introduction to the world like Denis said in a recent interview.
The man will be just as great as Tarantino and Steven Spielberg one day.
Prisoners w/ Hugh Jackman
Arrival w/ Amy Adams
Incendies (amazing foreign movie)
Bladerunner 2049
Sicario w/ Emily Blunt
Now that's a great catalogue.
It was so much fun watching y'all react to this one! Going in with no background from the novels or the other movie and mini-series.
About Liet Kynes and her death. She was calling a Maker. That is why she set the thumper. The expanding sticks she got out were "Maker Hooks". Fremen use them to ride Shai-Hulud and cover great distances on the desert easily. That is why the Assassin Triad was able to sneak up on a Fremen. When you call a Maker, you watch the Maker and concentrate on it. Missing the Hook is almost always fatal.
I'm mixed on whether I should suggest you watch the David Lynch movie and the two Mini-Series from SyFy while waiting for the second half of this film. You would get a lot of answers that this movie causes the questions to if you know nothing going in. This film was obviously made by a fan of the books for other fans, who know all the background stuff. But, Part Two will probably eventually answer at least some of your questions.
Several key characters do not even appear in this version. At least in Part One. A Fair Witness from the Robert Anson Heinlein books could not even take the stand in court and testify that the Emperor is even involved. He is never seen doing any of the plotting. All we have is hearsay and third hand info.
But, whatever choice you make about the other media, welcome to The Saga of Duncan Idaho.
A saga that properly ends on a cliffhanger at the end of Chapterhouse: Dune, and goes no further.
Is that you, Jubal?
The 1984 version, for all of its flaws, does a lot better job at explaining shit and showing you how things work. It also does a better job at making all the different peoples look different so you can tell who is who and what. It's definitely worth watching despite its reputation.
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Villeneuve is French, Villa Nueva is Spanish, These are not the same name.
In the book the Baron is much more evil. They wanted to keep a pg-13 rating so they toned it down. They even cut a torture scene that they filmed.
This is only half of book 1 of a 6 book series.
The dreams are cryptic. Janis showed him the way of the desert. It's brutal but the fremin are honorable. Chenie symbolically kills the old Paul.
Too bad you didn't see it on cinema, because this Dune is too big for TV
@35:25, the Fremen crysknives once unsheathed are not supposed to be put away without drawing blood. This commandment keeps Fremen people from drawing on each other unnecessarily. That is why each of the Fremen cut themselves before putting away their knives.
I really liked the 2000 adaptation, a lot more than the 1984 one, but this one is probably the best so far. Just wish it had a bit more run-time to spend on some of the characters. Maybe we could get an extended cut at some point, maybe with part 2. At least I hope so.
They really should have released the Water of Life Cut. Better break point than the Jamis Cut, since it leads into the natural break of "For the next two Standard Years..."
Nice catch about Lady Jessica not using the voice during the final fight. In the book and during other adaptations Lady Jessica does attempt to use the voice on Jamis.
So while the Reverend Mother made Paul walk across the room and knee at her feet. Lady Jessica could only get people to perform quick actions. With the subject being well aware something happened. When Lady Jessica attempt to make Jamis walkaway, Jamis complained she was in his head. Stilgar threaten her to not do that again.
Y'all should read the books!
It's disappointing to know that in the year 10,000 we still don't have A CURE FOR BALDNESS!!!!!!
Or, like the Federation, they are so advanced that people are not teased and ostricized for being bald.....
The year given is 10,191 years after the establishment of the Spacing Guild, which in turn is approximately 10,000 years after our present time. The Imperium doesn't use the Christian-centric calendar we use.
This story was divided into two films, this is obviously the first one, the second got green-lit last week, and is set for 2023.
Try The King on Netflix with the same guy Timothée Chalamet is good also.
The baron was saved by the shield, but the poison messed him up badly, that's why he was in the healing oil bath. Also, he uses a levitating device because of his weight (he was much fatter in the books)
It's the Emperor that presented Arakis and the wealth from extracting spice as a gift and duty. It's an offer that the Atreidis could not turn down even if they had known it was a trap.
Also, the Harkonnens had the doctor's wife hostage. They were torturing her. Had the doctor not betrayed his house, they would have kept torturing her. I think he knew they would kill her to set her free and he wanted to end her suffering and eventually join her. There are theories that the black weird misshapen creature with the human hands/feet was the doctor's wife.
Throughout this there were a lot of things I wanted to say, but I was also constantly reminding myself the reaction is pretty old and everyone has probably said everything I wanted to say. However, one thing i do still want to point out is the director’s name is French. His name, Denis is pronounced like Denny’s, and Villeneuve is like Ville-New. Here’s a pronunciation video: th-cam.com/video/hU5x8IiGLvQ/w-d-xo.html.
As a fan of the books, this film is perhaps the closest possible adaptation we could have ever hoped for. I only had one or two issues and they are admittedly nitpicks.
Why aren't you two sat in an IMAX theatre????????? Because you seem to be watching this on a really small screen I have to assert you have not seen it. Really, YOU HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD DUNE.
This movie has done the impossible for me. For the whole duration, the pace was slow at first but not a single boring thing happened. I had zero yawn. I think I yawned more when I watched Star Wars 😂 Never read Dune (but somehow understands it), and I think the 80s Dune with Sting is ridiculous, but I inherently love this movie.
Are there Battle Pugs? If not, I don't want to watch it.
I was so fracking mad. Gurney Hallock is NOT Gurney Hallock if he is not fighting the Harkonnen assault with a weapon in one hand and the House Pug cradled in his other arm.....
@@scotthewitt258 Gurney Halleck is NOT Gurney Halleck without a Baliset either so I guess the Battle Bag Pipes will have to do.
@@kananiokala4423 I guess nobody could figure out a baliset. Fun fact: there was actually a scene filmed in the Lynch movie where Patrick Stewart (Gurney) plays the baliset (Stewart said that Sting taught him how to play the instrument that was designed).
It's a shame that the music is not that good by 20th century standards. The Dune Encyclopedia included sheet music for two of Gurney Halleck's songs, and they are quite playable (I transcribed them for the organ, which is the instrument I play).
Blue eyes mean prolonged exposure to spice. The blades are made of the teeth of the worms btw
The full subtext cannot be understood just by the first book. You need at least two books to get the subtext/theme.
Paul Atreides has every possible attribute you could want in a leader. He can calculate odds like a computer, predict the future, read people's true emotions, control people against their will, and can defend himself in combat. Despite having every possible advantage, everything goes horribly wrong in the end. This is an epic tragedy.
The story is ultimately a warning against following charismatic leaders. Even with a perfect leader, at the end of the day, they are still human and can still screw things up badly, so it is not wise to put too much faith in any one leader.
This is the most faithful adaptation of the story I've seen. It's amazing.
*here is another we didnt watch!* since wee cant see vids in order anymore (thx YT) cant easily check the early ones wo reasonable ammount of hacking about. or scrolling. (& i dont scroll) _JC
Fun fact: the Dune novels from the 60s were one of the inspirations for George Lucas to make Star Wars. So maybe without Dune, we wouldn't of got Star Wars.
Everyone's performance was brilliant, beautiful cinematography and outstanding set designs.
Only gripe i have was that it's pretty much beat for beat of the original 1984 movie and have not added much else, where they could have.
Other than that, this movie is a beautiful piece of cinema.
8.4/10
Dune also inspired Tremors, as well as some aspects of Game of Thrones, and a bunch of other fictional works I can't remember of the top of my head.
i think you kind of have to recreate the original, if the goal is to actually make this a multipart series of movies based on the books. there is really no need to add anything different than the 1984 version, just to add their own flavor through cinematography and music as well as catch it up in quality with modern time. solid foundation for a proper dune franchise imo.
@@rowdyprostate8247 while I enjoyed the 1984 film and it motivated me to read the novels it's very inaccurate to the novels. So I disagree with you position that I doesn't need to provide anything different.
@@russellward4624 exactly. There's much more lore and backstory in the novels that they could have used instead of re-creating scene for scene from the 1984 movie.
@@abrimfulofasha i’ve never actually seen the 1984 version or read the books. I was just saying that if a new director is taking on a franchise that wasn’t completed previously, it would make sense for them to reboot/polish what’s already been done and continue from there. i suppose it’s kind of a moot point if the 1984 version was lacking though. i interpreted your comment wrong assuming you thought the 1984 version was good and thought you were criticizing them for modernizing it without significant change. I’ll definitely be reading the books once winter break hits.
Read the book and watch again ;)
What reward could bring us besides the water in your flesh? Ah. We come from a water would. How much would you like?
I like this one but I will always have a soft spot for the DL version.
This film would've been better if it was one, 4 hour long movie; but that wouldn't have been financially wise considering the budget and how it's an adaptation of a scifi book from the 60's. A lot of the budget was undoubtedly spent on the cast to get butts in the seat.
"ah, Denis Villeneuiveivja" ... yeah. Good try. Keep at it! ^^ (think french-canadian when prounouncing his name)
why does everybody give bad pronounciation tips for villeneuve? have you asked a quebecois how he would pronounce it? because a frenchman wouldn't pronounce it that way.
Part 1 summed it up perfectly from the book. In fact, they should make it into three as with the books.
Part 1: Dune
Part 2: Muad-dib
Part 3: The Prophet
@36:00, in the book the fight between Paul and Jamis is even more one sided. Despite his youth and never having killed anyone, Paul has been trained to fight since an early age. Jamis was never able to lay a finger on Paul.
As Stilgar asked Jessica “Is he toying with him”. In fact until Jessica told him Paul had never killed, Stilgar was worried that Paul might be some type of baby faced sociopath.
As good as the book
Loved this version of Jessica, and Duncan is a beast
Can you guys react to Greyhound.. it's from 2020 and it has Tom Hanks in it! It's a WW2 movie..
The Baron was hit by the gas just not killed. he survived. The Baron in this adaptation was effected a bit differently according to the director.
@35:00
Jessica didn't use Voice on Stilgar when it became clear he intended to kill her for her body's water because she wanted to demonstrate her superior fighting abilities to the rest of his tribe.
(the Bene Gesserit are terrifying in hand to hand combat) Voice can only be detected by the person it is directed at but not anyone else in ear shot. By physically overpowering him all the others could see with their own eyes what an asset she would be to them.
Now, right before Jamis and Paul fight she does use Voice on Jamis. She vows how if he hurts her son she'll teach him the meaning of the word "pain" and how his entire body will writhe in agony. She doesn't completely subdue Jamis but it scares the living hell out of him and gives Paul an advantage.
Lady Jessica is actually extremely high born, but I won't spoil that here.
LOL. She's a bastard with no claim to any noble title. Bene Gesserit concubines occasionally become wives (Margot, Lady Fenring - a character in the novel but one who is usually overlooked in adaptations - married Count Fenring - an advisor to Shaddam IV, and at least he is seen in the miniseries).
Many a evening i find myself asking my wife the same question as Gurnee ask Paul in the knife fighting training scene " what does mood have to do with it "
I like you guys. You make me smile.
Liet Kynes was luring the work towards herself so she could ride it. The hooks widen a gap in the worm which will instinctively