It makes sense if you look at the pcb and heatsink layout. Blower is throwing air over the pcb heatsink parallel to the fins and out the back keeping stagnant turbulent air off critical components. Then the blow through is putting as much cfm as possible through the open heatsink and is not sppashing back onto the pcb. Makes sense to me. Same concept as arctics freezer ii and iii aios.
All "gaming" laptops are trash in some way. MSI and Gigabyte have the biscuit hinges which WILL break and/or chew through the internal cable, and Assus puts copious amounts of bloatware on theirs and are overpriced as hell. The only exception is Eurocom, their laptops use actual desktop CPUs and have more NVME and RAM slots.
Hey Dawid, I just realised since its 2024 now and the market is kinda nice, why dont you try a 2024 version of "CUSTOM VS PRE BUILT pc 2024 edition " video it'd be fun to watch
I would have preferred seeing Dawid portrayed as "Arnold Schwarzenegger covered in mud in a jungle" instead of him throwing an acer straight into a river. Could photoshop his face over Arnold from a scene in the movie maybe
nah it does totally have the potential to have the benefits of both. the fan is there for actual cooling, and the blower is just a built-in exhaust for the whole system so it doesn't get too heat-soaked. the fan being there for cooling allows the blower to run at a slow enough rpm that it isn't noisy. in theory anyway.
11:03 yeah Acer Predator RX 7600 is $300 USD on amazon, with many other cards with the same GPU for $40 less. I'm considering getting a 7800 XT some time soonish.
I feel like trying to revolutionize a cooler design after this many years is a fool's errand. It's not like the laws of air mechanics and thermodynamics have changed. The best you're going to get is something comparable to what already existed, which is what we're seeing here.
The laws of air have changed to restrict drones in certain zones. I'm sure the fan community has something to say about this, and apparently it is saying "blower" I'm not sure how to parse this. I'm going to take mushrooms and talk to the fans in my area to see their opinions.
@@mintymus What an overreaction. Because one aspect of one product in one market has been mostly solved, you take that to mean we should stop all R&D? Chill out
My daughter wanted to play Pandora, so I got this card as it included the game for free (I paid a LOT less.. sorry you had to take such a hit on the $$). I paired it with a Ryzen 7 7700x and 32gb ddr5. It was nothing but a crash fest, and I gave up. The combined heat in the case was so bad that I had to run it with the cover off.. eventually, I replaced that PC with a new build from various spare parts around the shop. She now has a Ryzen 3700x, 64 GB 3200 rams, and an RX 6700 xt. The new machine has been ROCK solid and is working great for school and play. She's threatened physical violence if I try to change it again ;). As for the 7600, I put that in a 5600x Alienware that I built to run MS Flight Sim and Realsimgear G1000 panels for pilot training. The visuals and performance were great. I mean, REALLY good. There were some weird driver issues occasionally that required restarting the sim, but they were few and far between. The card did NOT crash, however. Lastly, my 7700x system runs great with 6000 series AMD cards or 3000 series Nvidia. I'm considering making it my new primary workstation and switching from Intel to AMD. What are your thoughts? Cheers Rick
Acer: Get the best from both design (I am always genius) Dawid: Looks more like going to get the downsides of both design (because I know Acer too well) Me: (pressed like 👍)
I appreciate the noise that sounded like Star Trek Bridge sounds with the space scenes... its the little things in Dawid videos that make them truly epic.
I've been using the XFX RX 7600 actively, and I haven't encountered any crashes. In fact, I've even undervolted it to squeeze out more performance without any stability issues.
I wonder how many are going to get the joke about Arnold in the mud ... took me straight back into my child years thanks for making me feel old in a video about a GPU Dawid ! Verry Nice
TIMMY JOEEEEEE!!!! The man the myth and the legend! I hope you are doing well my brudduh!!! Did you ever see the video that I made about you a few months ago? I really really hope you are doing well!
Used to be an Acer hater cuz it seemed like 'the laptop your parents bought in 2011 to edit a family photo album' But got an acer predator helios something in 2021 and man, ive had like 6 gaming laptops over 10 years and this one has been THE best. Been using and abusing it for 2 years now and the fans are still like new and it runs the same? Never had a gaming laptop fan last more than a year before it sounded like gravel so i gotta say i was really impressed
The prebuilt running at completely respectable temps is my biggest takeaway. You should do a series on just how much a single 80/120mm case fan can handle.
It's not really about the temps that make negative pressure questionable. It gets a lot of dust sucked into the case & the dust filters, eventually seriously clogging up the limited airflow there already was. Positive pressure fares so much better in that aspect.
That heavily depends on how far you're willing to stretch the definition of a 80/120mm case fan - since technically, those over-9000 RPM Deltas they use in servers and mining ASICs count as case fans too.
got one of the a750s with this design lately and honestly... the build quality punches way above its price point ($180 at the time i purchased) so good job acer. feels premium and looks slick
I bought an ACER gaming laptop once, it was an amazing laptop with (for the time) an insane price to performance (for a laptop), it was late 2020, and for $1500CAD I got 32GB DDR4 at 3200, 1TB SSD, I7-10750H, and RTX2070, and then it died 2 years later 5 days out of warranty; and now I don't touch the brand for anything
6:03 I am part of the RTX 2060 squad. I was thinking about selling my card though and saving up to get a 7700 XT. I want to switch to AMD and give them a shot.
I have just purchased an Arc A770 version of this, only tested on one game - world of tanks - temps went up to a max of 77 c after about 1 hour of use, mine is a very good airflow case. Ive recently set the fan curve to not run till 55 c and it seems quite happy with that when not under load. Case in question is a Thermaltake level 10
I wonder if the crashing is from the acer card specifically or just in general RX 7600 cards. You could’ve put an msi card in there too maybe. RX 7600. To see if it crashes or not
Most likely RDNA3's fault. A friend had that issue during the few months it took AMD to find a fix with his 7800XT, he'd always crash once or twice a day no matter what but Cyberpunk was one of the games that would keep crashing like that.
@@vuri3798 The 7600 has been out long enough that any early driver issues should be well and truly fixed... The PCB seems fairly spartan compared to even the AMD reference board. I wouldn't be surprised if Acer's corner cutting is causing stability issues
@@Ben-Rogue Yeah tbh I would have liked to see him dive into that a little more. I don't remember Acer's Arc cards doing worse in that way, and AMD already supposedly fixed (twice) the consumption issue that would cause these crashes on RDNA3, I also don't think Dawid saves videos for months. But I've recently seen users who bought OC models and Adrenalin automatically fucked up AIBs settings wen booting up. That's why I said most likely not surely, but I would have liked to know more...
@@vuri3798Yeah is that why all the day one and subsequent reviews of the 7600 never mentioned any crashes? You've now seen two, TWO! cards with problems, clearly all GPUs are trash.
Blower fans are still awesome at keeping the GPU thinner and it blows the hot air out right away. With that secondary fan the blower doesn't have to run as fast therefore reducing the noise so this is a clever design though there is still room for improvement.
Dude, I would *love* for you to make a video doing a breakdown on how the number of degrees away from junction temperature empirically impact longevity. Like, I'm sure there's some kind of function: 10 degrees away from junction = 2 year life span, 20 degrees = 5 year, 30 degrees = 10, etc. I've seen a few of your videos where you don't seem to understand opportunistic boosting and squawk and cry about how it's "hot" without explaining how it being "hot" is bad. I can save you a bit of time: silicon degrades prematurely due to excessive power. The excessive power degrades the copper traces by causing the atoms to break off, leading to an eventual open circuit and death of the IC. You can see this in the Intel 13th and 14th gen. They're not crashing and degrading because they're "too hot". They are doing so because of excess power being supplied from the motherboard to eek out tiny benchmark gains. Repeat after me: If the Intel chips were run under liquid nitrogen and running at 3 degrees C, they would degrade just as quickly as if they were running at the edge of their junction temperature limits. Repeat it again: power, not temperature. Again: It's not temperature. It's power. Temperature is the *byproduct* of high power consumption. High power consumption is not a bad thing if the IC is designed to take that much power. The problem with the Intel chips is that they're designed for a 125 watt TDP (not a power consumption value, but a value to use as a proxy. It's the approximate heat output at base clocks.) If you take a "125 watt" (not really) part and pump 250 watts through it (yes really... really 250+ watts, some boards are allowing up to 999 watts for up to 4096 seconds or 8x the design power for an hour... when the turbo timer is usually 28-120 seconds.) and it runs at 20 degrees C under liquid, will it fail more quickly or less quickly than the same part running at 125 watts and 90 C under an air cooler? (Hint: Yes... obviously.) Stop. Obsessing. Over. Arbitrary. Temperature. Values. Also, while you're at it: NAND store data for *longer* with *less* wear due to requiring *LOWER* temperature inputs when the NAND flash chip is HOTTER. NAND flash runs LESS EFFICIENTLY requiring MORE POWER to save and maintain data when it is at a HIGHER temperature value. The purpose of the heatspreader on an M.2 SSD is to move the heat FROM the controller (which yes, does throttle under extreme heat... but it also has a junction temperature meaning, again arbitrary values are meaningless without context) *TO* the NAND flash... to heat up the NAND flash. New HAMR hard drives are so-named because they are... say it with me "HEAT-assisted magnetic recording". They HEAT UP THE SURFACE OF THE HARD DRIVE INTENTIONALLY to write more data in less space. (PS, hard drives heat death is due to *uneven* cooling which causes the lubrication to break down, not the absolute temperature.) That's why, again, arbitrary temperature values are meaningless without context. Sincerely, a technical architect (8 years), data center architect (6 years), and computer hardware engineering major.
I have Acer laptop and PC that is still running since 15 years, zero upgrade zero maintenance, what is this guy talking about. it is way better than my 4 years hardly used Dell which is leaking very sticky liquid, I guess I need to replace the oil pump.
Everyone in our family owns an acer laptop, ultra book, normal ones or gaming. The only place that smells of plastic more than my house is in a kardashian
As a computer technician that opens a lot of laptops I don't recommend Acer to clients. They seem to use cheaper plastics and skimp on small things like minimal damping protection for the hard drive/SSD and the least amount of screws to hold it together. Acer do make some good high-end and gaming laptops and some good monitors but their mid to low end laptops are rubbish imo. Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo, MSI and MS Surface are much better although HP, Asus and Lenovo mid to low can be hit or miss. Dell seems to be good throughout and Surface only really start in the mid range and are good also. MSI make great gaming laptops as you probably know. I mean no offence, I just recommend a better brand that's all.
Acer most definitely produces some very high end, high quality laptops (not only gaming ones) besides the cheap budget ones and some good monitors too, and saying 'they are not terrible' is simply highly ignorant.
The one lesson that I learned over the last two weeks is - lay the PC case on it's side when installing a new GPU! I used to always install one with the case being upright, but the 4080 performance GREATLY improved when I installed it with the case laying down! For some other reason, the rest of my system sped up and performed much better as well!
In 2020 I bought a $1,000 4K Acer monitor. This morning I woke up to dark spots on my expensive monitor. Entire sections of the monitor are dark. Evidently LEDs are broken. I think I'll pass on their video cards.
The bigger fan is pulling air in from the case and then the second one (squirrel cage style) is ejecting it from the case out the port. It's a pretty smart design actually.
I have an acer CB5-571 Chromebook from 2016, I still use it everyday to monitor Octoprint Jobs and stuff. The battery is still holding up. Installed a 128gb ssd years ago and have gotten more than my moms moneys worth out of it.
Have it. Love the design. It's in a Tower 100 and never goes above 65 degrees. Have been using it for a few months now. Absolutely love it. Got mine for about $230 US. Also up to now I've had 1 maybe 2 crashes.
ACER's Predator cards get hot. I had one of their 16GB Arc A770 cards, and this card got up to 90*C in a high airflow case running Unigine Heaven benchmark on its first pass!! I returned it and bought the ASRock Phantom Gaming version, which ran Heaven without a hitch, never going above 74*C.
i thought about getting that one but the problem is my case literally has 305mm space for gpu's while the card is 305mm long, lol :D It runs the coolest of all a770's
@@BeastMode-4422 you can fit the card if you unscrew the card's moutning plate, stick it into the two slots, insert the card 8 to the PCI slot, and then rescrew the mounting plate back onto the card.
AMD drivers are a lot more sensitive to Ram stability than Nvidia ones; though Nvidia drivers certainly are not as fussless as they were during Pascal.
I think HIS has had the solution to the problem of noise with blower coolers with the IceQ for years, it has a dual-intake design which both drastically improves cooling compared to stock blower coolers and even at 100% speed the noise isn't terrible. I got an IceQ HD7870 and loved it.
Since the 7600 appears basically to be a reference card style build, the only trick is the cooler. I think you are correct, the "best of both worlds" solution here is for ACER's own use. When they make prebuilts with horrible airflow, the blower part of the card will do a lot to mitigate the airflow problems, and the more normal fan will "help". Considering the amount of heat pipe, fins, and copper, it seems like even if the blow through fan wasn't working at all that there would still be significant cooling going on. So I think they have built a very good card for their own business. It is way too expensive for what it is, though!
I bought the same GPU, because in Germany it was a long time the cheapest RX 7600. But mine also crashs often. I undervolt them much for the games where it happend the most, but do you have an othere solution for this?
For some reason I always had strange problems with Acer laptops/PC's and other stuff. Never really broken but always unstable/crashing or getting way to hot. Both my Acer laptops died right after the warranty expired....
The cooling should be more than fine. The blower will keep the ram and gpu cool while exhausting the heat out of the ATX case. The standard fan/heatpipe/fin combo will handle the vrm/power handling components. This will cut down on a large chunk of the heat building up inside a ATX case. The key thing that will be needed though is for the case itself to have a proper fan intake to get enough cool air in the case for the card to utilize, while also having decent exhaust to dump whatever minimal heat does build up.
That GPU shroud design still looks pretty good, and it sounds like a good idea. A blower cooler with a regular cooler to help the GPU cool in a possibly more efficient way.
Ejecting high heat right out of the case might make sense also assuming that airflow is limited. If some of the components produce less heat cooling the hot parts with hotter air and cooler parts with cooler air could net a benefit to going to a full internal circulation build. Also theres only 2 fans. End of the day you have to test both configurations in representative cases with all their other fans.
Interesting concept for GPU cooling. I'm not surprised it didn't work out too well with the stability, I wouldn't be shocked if temps rose too high on some part fo the card your overlay wasn't watching. Probably a good idea to prototype a card like that to see how well it works, but it doesn't look like it was a good idea for a public release.
G'day Dawid, That 7600 vs 3060 Comparison was very relevant for me down here in Australia as at PCCG pricing is... RTX3060 8GB $429AUD vs RX7600 8GB $429AUD
Dawid used a 12GB version of RTX3060 . The 8GB version is a scam from Nvidia and you should not even think about buying it. The performance difference between those 2 variants are significant.
To be honest, I use two Acer monitors. They were cheap to buy (about 120 € each), they are nothing fancy (60Hz), but they do the job fine many hours/day for the last 5 years and still not show any sign of fatigue.
I got the Acer Predator BiFrost A770 OC and I quite like it so far. Glad to see Acer keep using the hybrid fan cooler design. Hope to see them doing cards for Intels next gen of GPU.
i just got one of these the other day and i love it, i tuned the crap out of it and it crushes 1080p gaming. very nice upgrade to my RX590 from 2018. $250 on amazon!
All the Acer GPUs of this style were on sale during Black Friday 2023. I believe 240 USD or less. I was considering them, but my pc case is the NZXT H1. I figured the hot air would get trapped in the bottom or go back up into the case. I settled for the Asus RX 7600 instead. It hasn't given me any problems at 1080p.
The 7000 series cards from AMD tend to power spike a bit from what ive seen. If you jump into AMD adrenaline and undervolt it by 20mv, increase the power slider all the way on the bottom right, and lower the clock speeds by 50mhz on minimum/maximum each you will have eliminated all of your issues. Also may want to end "AMD Noise supression" in task manager because that can do it too. Love the videos man. Keep up the great work.
It was surprising to see Acer a brand known to put 'warranty void if removed/damaged' stickers on almost all of their laptops (atleast in my country) didn't have a single such sticker in this graphics card
Think I got the idea behind this cooler design. With the blower the heat gets ejected through the IO plate outside the case, which makes the coaxial fan more effective in blowing through the finstack. it therefore does not rely that much on open spaces in the shroud. An aircooled CPU should also benefit from this cooler design as the air the gets blown through the graphics cards is cooler.
Using adaptive sync on my 7900XT used to cause crashes in some games before I reinstalled my drivers after using the AMD cleanup utility. Might have been what was causing problems here too.
Acer must learn how to make a properly working laptop then they can try to make a GPU. In my Nitro 5 one of the speaker not working because their awesome drivers. Also this is brand new laptop with all drivers updated.
I own the A770 Bifrost. It's a pretty cool GPU, with nice RGB and a good build quality. They use puddy instead of pads, temps are fine and the packaging is very nice, they include a USB thumbdrive with drivers instead of the usual CD of older GPUs. That's pretty cool. I believe they made a custom 4090 as well, you should check that out. Overall, Acer is doing way better than other manufacturers.
9:20 as tested the bad scenario. As seeing the power goes really up and down pretty often. Even as it was just like few seconds but just feels that it sure struggled to keep going.
Evga got out, Acer jumped in.... Okay then.
acer is selling them for a year now
Evga has been out for a year@@ab_xar
Too soon bro
Now Sapphire is the best.
Nvidia only has MSI and Asus, which make good gpus only for Nvidia. Their AMD gpus suck.
It was right when EVGA went out that ACER ran in
Shroud image popping up everytime Dawid says "shroud" is essential in every Dawid's video
Three things that are a certainty with Dawid's videos
1. Shroud
2. Thiddy
3. Everything possible going wrong.
@@riven4121 hey glad that Elma isn't the regulars!
Imagine Dawid talking about the Shroud of Turin.
Was looking for this comment 😂
It makes sense if you look at the pcb and heatsink layout. Blower is throwing air over the pcb heatsink parallel to the fins and out the back keeping stagnant turbulent air off critical components. Then the blow through is putting as much cfm as possible through the open heatsink and is not sppashing back onto the pcb. Makes sense to me. Same concept as arctics freezer ii and iii aios.
Your explanation of the thought process behind it makes a lot of sense and it did seem to work fine. Thanks the comment. 👍
I´ve owned a "gaming" laptop from Acer years ago.
That thing ran so hot it melted its own fan. Never again.
My Acer Gaming Laptop from 2010 burned through it's internal power cable.
All "gaming" laptops are trash in some way. MSI and Gigabyte have the biscuit hinges which WILL break and/or chew through the internal cable, and Assus puts copious amounts of bloatware on theirs and are overpriced as hell. The only exception is Eurocom, their laptops use actual desktop CPUs and have more NVME and RAM slots.
Acer has been shit until like last year with their nitros
@@Vinterloftfind fault in the legion 5 pro/7 series
That’s the Alma haunting
They had a A750 and I think A770 before this.
Yeah they were one of the first with intel ARCPartner Models using this BiFrost Cooler
i'm sure some of their prebuilts came with homemade graphics cards. maybe not. never bought an Acer prebuilt. but, it wouldn't shock me if they have.
The A770 is actually amazing
And before that they were already making their own GPUs for prebuilts. I bought a second hand Acer 3060 Ti during covid
@@VinterloftOh cool! I didn't know that.
Should have reviewed the Acer Bifrost A770. It’s a fantastic card for $250. I’ve been using it for months.
does that have the same fan situation?
@@couchtripper yes. But with RGB
Intel cards are not very good.
I ahev one, love it. it cost me double that here though... lol
@@EDGE234 That's just not even true, have you even owned an Intel card before?
Acer does make some decent monitors. I've had one of their 4k 120hz monitors for 4 years now.
I'm rocking an acer nitro 32" QHD 165Hz ips monitor which I got for €275 couple of years ago. Great buy so far
i have a ed270r best monitor i ever owned
And good chromebooks.
so you say they are only "decent" not GOOD, but "decent" at making monitors and thats it? you really are crazy
@@jijopov yeah they’re just decent lmao have you not looked at what LG, ASUS, and Zowie are offering nowadays? Those are good monitors
Hey Dawid, I just realised since its 2024 now and the market is kinda nice, why dont you try a 2024 version of "CUSTOM VS PRE BUILT pc 2024 edition " video it'd be fun to watch
I just realized I have 2 ears.
that's great@@Boogie_the_cat
My cats breath smells like cat food.
@@sirkyoj1haha same. Especially right after he’s eaten 😂
"Babe dont wake up , acer make gpu now"
I would have preferred seeing Dawid portrayed as "Arnold Schwarzenegger covered in mud in a jungle" instead of him throwing an acer straight into a river. Could photoshop his face over Arnold from a scene in the movie maybe
You gotta update that into man, your filming skills, lighting and overall quality is crazy good and it doesn’t do it justice anymore!
So glad I found this channel. Quickly becoming one of my fav tech tubers. Also the shroud gag cracked me up lol
Your videos are a vibe dude it's really fun to hear and watch you
nah it does totally have the potential to have the benefits of both. the fan is there for actual cooling, and the blower is just a built-in exhaust for the whole system so it doesn't get too heat-soaked. the fan being there for cooling allows the blower to run at a slow enough rpm that it isn't noisy. in theory anyway.
11:03 yeah Acer Predator RX 7600 is $300 USD on amazon, with many other cards with the same GPU for $40 less. I'm considering getting a 7800 XT some time soonish.
I got an Acer Predator in 2017, still using it in 2024 as a work from home PC.
I feel like trying to revolutionize a cooler design after this many years is a fool's errand. It's not like the laws of air mechanics and thermodynamics have changed. The best you're going to get is something comparable to what already existed, which is what we're seeing here.
The laws of air have changed to restrict drones in certain zones.
I'm sure the fan community has something to say about this, and apparently it is saying "blower"
I'm not sure how to parse this.
I'm going to take mushrooms and talk to the fans in my area to see their opinions.
Marketing ploy like pretty much everything else Acer does.
Yeah it’s all just marketing
Yeah let's just stop all R&D, everything good has already been done already.
@@mintymus What an overreaction. Because one aspect of one product in one market has been mostly solved, you take that to mean we should stop all R&D? Chill out
My daughter wanted to play Pandora, so I got this card as it included the game for free (I paid a LOT less.. sorry you had to take such a hit on the $$). I paired it with a Ryzen 7 7700x and 32gb ddr5. It was nothing but a crash fest, and I gave up. The combined heat in the case was so bad that I had to run it with the cover off.. eventually, I replaced that PC with a new build from various spare parts around the shop. She now has a Ryzen 3700x, 64 GB 3200 rams, and an RX 6700 xt. The new machine has been ROCK solid and is working great for school and play. She's threatened physical violence if I try to change it again ;).
As for the 7600, I put that in a 5600x Alienware that I built to run MS Flight Sim and Realsimgear G1000 panels for pilot training. The visuals and performance were great. I mean, REALLY good. There were some weird driver issues occasionally that required restarting the sim, but they were few and far between. The card did NOT crash, however.
Lastly, my 7700x system runs great with 6000 series AMD cards or 3000 series Nvidia. I'm considering making it my new primary workstation and switching from Intel to AMD. What are your thoughts?
Cheers
Rick
Acer: Get the best from both design (I am always genius)
Dawid: Looks more like going to get the downsides of both design (because I know Acer too well)
Me: (pressed like 👍)
I appreciate the noise that sounded like Star Trek Bridge sounds with the space scenes... its the little things in Dawid videos that make them truly epic.
I've been using the XFX RX 7600 actively, and I haven't encountered any crashes. In fact, I've even undervolted it to squeeze out more performance without any stability issues.
I wonder how many are going to get the joke about Arnold in the mud ... took me straight back into my child years thanks for making me feel old in a video about a GPU Dawid ! Verry Nice
I think it's not fair to test the card AFTER disassembly.
I had an ASUS Dual 7600 that was an absolute overclocked and undervolted champion. Never had any crashes outside of getting the tune right
Before you bash Acer that fast in the beginning, I had an Acer with a Core 2 Quad q6600 in there from 2006 to 2013 and that thing was a fuckin tank.
Such a weird design haha. I thought it was a low profile card from the thumbnail but nope.
Good one D!!
TIMMY JOEEEEEE!!!! The man the myth and the legend! I hope you are doing well my brudduh!!! Did you ever see the video that I made about you a few months ago? I really really hope you are doing well!
Used to be an Acer hater cuz it seemed like 'the laptop your parents bought in 2011 to edit a family photo album' But got an acer predator helios something in 2021 and man, ive had like 6 gaming laptops over 10 years and this one has been THE best. Been using and abusing it for 2 years now and the fans are still like new and it runs the same? Never had a gaming laptop fan last more than a year before it sounded like gravel so i gotta say i was really impressed
We need more LINOOOOOOODE
And that weird Glove company, I forgot the name, it starts with V I think 😂😂😂😂
The prebuilt running at completely respectable temps is my biggest takeaway. You should do a series on just how much a single 80/120mm case fan can handle.
A lot, I'm getting sub 60 with a 3070ti
It's not really about the temps that make negative pressure questionable. It gets a lot of dust sucked into the case & the dust filters, eventually seriously clogging up the limited airflow there already was. Positive pressure fares so much better in that aspect.
That heavily depends on how far you're willing to stretch the definition of a 80/120mm case fan - since technically, those over-9000 RPM Deltas they use in servers and mining ASICs count as case fans too.
got one of the a750s with this design lately and honestly... the build quality punches way above its price point ($180 at the time i purchased) so good job acer. feels premium and looks slick
I have had acer monitors and laptops, including my current ryzen 5800h with 3060. I have always had good experiences with acer.
My cousin has been using one for 7 years now and it's his main driver for his house building business.
I bought an ACER gaming laptop once, it was an amazing laptop with (for the time) an insane price to performance (for a laptop), it was late 2020, and for $1500CAD I got 32GB DDR4 at 3200, 1TB SSD, I7-10750H, and RTX2070, and then it died 2 years later 5 days out of warranty; and now I don't touch the brand for anything
I have the 6700XT Red Devil edition and it's a Beast in 1440p Gaming and draw just 140-160w during Gaming and Damn Silent as well :)
6:03 I am part of the RTX 2060 squad. I was thinking about selling my card though and saving up to get a 7700 XT. I want to switch to AMD and give them a shot.
Man the "Shroud" pop ups are Amazing ❤❤
I have just purchased an Arc A770 version of this, only tested on one game - world of tanks - temps went up to a max of 77 c after about 1 hour of use, mine is a very good airflow case. Ive recently set the fan curve to not run till 55 c and it seems quite happy with that when not under load.
Case in question is a Thermaltake level 10
I wonder if the crashing is from the acer card specifically or just in general RX 7600 cards. You could’ve put an msi card in there too maybe. RX 7600. To see if it crashes or not
Most likely RDNA3's fault. A friend had that issue during the few months it took AMD to find a fix with his 7800XT, he'd always crash once or twice a day no matter what but Cyberpunk was one of the games that would keep crashing like that.
@@vuri3798 The 7600 has been out long enough that any early driver issues should be well and truly fixed... The PCB seems fairly spartan compared to even the AMD reference board. I wouldn't be surprised if Acer's corner cutting is causing stability issues
@@Ben-Rogue Yeah tbh I would have liked to see him dive into that a little more.
I don't remember Acer's Arc cards doing worse in that way, and AMD already supposedly fixed (twice) the consumption issue that would cause these crashes on RDNA3, I also don't think Dawid saves videos for months. But I've recently seen users who bought OC models and Adrenalin automatically fucked up AIBs settings wen booting up. That's why I said most likely not surely, but I would have liked to know more...
@@vuri3798Yeah is that why all the day one and subsequent reviews of the 7600 never mentioned any crashes? You've now seen two, TWO! cards with problems, clearly all GPUs are trash.
In my experience, frequent crashing is a recurring feature of AMD graphics drivers.
Blower fans are still awesome at keeping the GPU thinner and it blows the hot air out right away. With that secondary fan the blower doesn't have to run as fast therefore reducing the noise so this is a clever design though there is still room for improvement.
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Hell yeah.
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Dude, I would *love* for you to make a video doing a breakdown on how the number of degrees away from junction temperature empirically impact longevity.
Like, I'm sure there's some kind of function: 10 degrees away from junction = 2 year life span, 20 degrees = 5 year, 30 degrees = 10, etc.
I've seen a few of your videos where you don't seem to understand opportunistic boosting and squawk and cry about how it's "hot" without explaining how it being "hot" is bad.
I can save you a bit of time: silicon degrades prematurely due to excessive power.
The excessive power degrades the copper traces by causing the atoms to break off, leading to an eventual open circuit and death of the IC.
You can see this in the Intel 13th and 14th gen.
They're not crashing and degrading because they're "too hot". They are doing so because of excess power being supplied from the motherboard to eek out tiny benchmark gains.
Repeat after me: If the Intel chips were run under liquid nitrogen and running at 3 degrees C, they would degrade just as quickly as if they were running at the edge of their junction temperature limits.
Repeat it again: power, not temperature.
Again: It's not temperature. It's power.
Temperature is the *byproduct* of high power consumption. High power consumption is not a bad thing if the IC is designed to take that much power.
The problem with the Intel chips is that they're designed for a 125 watt TDP (not a power consumption value, but a value to use as a proxy. It's the approximate heat output at base clocks.)
If you take a "125 watt" (not really) part and pump 250 watts through it (yes really... really 250+ watts, some boards are allowing up to 999 watts for up to 4096 seconds or 8x the design power for an hour... when the turbo timer is usually 28-120 seconds.) and it runs at 20 degrees C under liquid, will it fail more quickly or less quickly than the same part running at 125 watts and 90 C under an air cooler?
(Hint: Yes... obviously.)
Stop. Obsessing. Over. Arbitrary. Temperature. Values.
Also, while you're at it: NAND store data for *longer* with *less* wear due to requiring *LOWER* temperature inputs when the NAND flash chip is HOTTER.
NAND flash runs LESS EFFICIENTLY requiring MORE POWER to save and maintain data when it is at a HIGHER temperature value.
The purpose of the heatspreader on an M.2 SSD is to move the heat FROM the controller (which yes, does throttle under extreme heat... but it also has a junction temperature meaning, again arbitrary values are meaningless without context) *TO* the NAND flash... to heat up the NAND flash.
New HAMR hard drives are so-named because they are... say it with me "HEAT-assisted magnetic recording". They HEAT UP THE SURFACE OF THE HARD DRIVE INTENTIONALLY to write more data in less space.
(PS, hard drives heat death is due to *uneven* cooling which causes the lubrication to break down, not the absolute temperature.)
That's why, again, arbitrary temperature values are meaningless without context.
Sincerely, a technical architect (8 years), data center architect (6 years), and computer hardware engineering major.
Love how Dawid is still referencing a game that will turn 20yo next year. Freaking Alma, man 😂
First horror game I ever played, so good for it's time
Stop talking about Alma
Dawid has almost got me replaying fear so many times now it's not funny lol
Alma. Alma. Alma!!
(Summoning with the power of three)
Tge mouse clicking is a really good way to put noise into perspective, really helpful!
so do we now call this the new acer I suck, blown, and spit edition?
It blows and sucks at the same time too lol
@@gianlucamorellieyy wtf
I have Acer laptop and PC that is still running since 15 years, zero upgrade zero maintenance, what is this guy talking about. it is way better than my 4 years hardly used Dell which is leaking very sticky liquid, I guess I need to replace the oil pump.
Everyone in our family owns an acer laptop, ultra book, normal ones or gaming. The only place that smells of plastic more than my house is in a kardashian
As a computer technician that opens a lot of laptops I don't recommend Acer to clients. They seem to use cheaper plastics and skimp on small things like minimal damping protection for the hard drive/SSD and the least amount of screws to hold it together. Acer do make some good high-end and gaming laptops and some good monitors but their mid to low end laptops are rubbish imo. Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo, MSI and MS Surface are much better although HP, Asus and Lenovo mid to low can be hit or miss. Dell seems to be good throughout and Surface only really start in the mid range and are good also. MSI make great gaming laptops as you probably know.
I mean no offence, I just recommend a better brand that's all.
That heatsink coverage is nice, it would still perform better in a dual fan setup though
Acer most definitely produces some very high end, high quality laptops (not only gaming ones) besides the cheap budget ones and some good monitors too, and saying 'they are not terrible' is simply highly ignorant.
so much hate... for the card you tested that ate the most power and had the least heat. They call that brain worms.
😮ACER NITRO SUCK FACE EDITION. 😂😂😂😂
how the hell do u lose a computer tower ..?
Sir a second graphics card has hit the tower
I really don't wanna talk about it ok
The one lesson that I learned over the last two weeks is - lay the PC case on it's side when installing a new GPU! I used to always install one with the case being upright, but the 4080 performance GREATLY improved when I installed it with the case laying down! For some other reason, the rest of my system sped up and performed much better as well!
Dawid! They also have Acer Predator BiFrost A750 8GB. It cost 240 USD on AMZN.
There is also A770 16GB variant but it costs much more, about 360 USD.
In 2020 I bought a $1,000 4K Acer monitor. This morning I woke up to dark spots on my expensive monitor. Entire sections of the monitor are dark. Evidently LEDs are broken. I think I'll pass on their video cards.
Doesn't matter the brand or price. Dead pixels are common. The matter is when they'll appear
@@oldbonniegamer938Yeah, it's not dead pixels. It's whole sections of the monitor that are dark. Definitely bad LED lighting.
The bigger fan is pulling air in from the case and then the second one (squirrel cage style) is ejecting it from the case out the port. It's a pretty smart design actually.
"Arnold SWAT and egger".
The close captioning trying to understand dawids accent leads to some hilarious results.
I have an acer CB5-571 Chromebook from 2016, I still use it everyday to monitor Octoprint Jobs and stuff. The battery is still holding up. Installed a 128gb ssd years ago and have gotten more than my moms moneys worth out of it.
Have it. Love the design. It's in a Tower 100 and never goes above 65 degrees. Have been using it for a few months now. Absolutely love it. Got mine for about $230 US. Also up to now I've had 1 maybe 2 crashes.
Did he reviewed the Acer BiFrost RX 7600 with DirectX11 and the Geforce 3060 with DirectX12? o.O
ACER's Predator cards get hot. I had one of their 16GB Arc A770 cards, and this card got up to 90*C in a high airflow case running Unigine Heaven benchmark on its first pass!! I returned it and bought the ASRock Phantom Gaming version, which ran Heaven without a hitch, never going above 74*C.
i thought about getting that one but the problem is my case literally has 305mm space for gpu's while the card is 305mm long, lol :D It runs the coolest of all a770's
@@BeastMode-4422 you can fit the card if you unscrew the card's moutning plate, stick it into the two slots, insert the card 8 to the PCI slot, and then rescrew the mounting plate back onto the card.
AMD drivers are a lot more sensitive to Ram stability than Nvidia ones; though Nvidia drivers certainly are not as fussless as they were during Pascal.
I think HIS has had the solution to the problem of noise with blower coolers with the IceQ for years, it has a dual-intake design which both drastically improves cooling compared to stock blower coolers and even at 100% speed the noise isn't terrible. I got an IceQ HD7870 and loved it.
Aaaaah Acer i remember my old gpu Acer Geforce 2070 8gb alsow a blower and its baby blue. Thank you for the awesome video Dawid.
Since the 7600 appears basically to be a reference card style build, the only trick is the cooler. I think you are correct, the "best of both worlds" solution here is for ACER's own use. When they make prebuilts with horrible airflow, the blower part of the card will do a lot to mitigate the airflow problems, and the more normal fan will "help". Considering the amount of heat pipe, fins, and copper, it seems like even if the blow through fan wasn't working at all that there would still be significant cooling going on. So I think they have built a very good card for their own business. It is way too expensive for what it is, though!
Dawid, I still want to see you do an "intel CPU with an AMD GPU" vs an "AMD CPU and an intel GPU" in the deathmatch arena of death
I would like this cooler on a RX 7800XT
I bought the same GPU, because in Germany it was a long time the cheapest RX 7600. But mine also crashs often. I undervolt them much for the games where it happend the most, but do you have an othere solution for this?
This almost looks like they had a bunch of old blower fans laying around and build a card around it so strange.
Wait until Dawid learns about the Intel arc acer varients
For some reason I always had strange problems with Acer laptops/PC's and other stuff. Never really broken but always unstable/crashing or getting way to hot. Both my Acer laptops died right after the warranty expired....
They really mean it 😊
The cooling should be more than fine. The blower will keep the ram and gpu cool while exhausting the heat out of the ATX case. The standard fan/heatpipe/fin combo will handle the vrm/power handling components. This will cut down on a large chunk of the heat building up inside a ATX case. The key thing that will be needed though is for the case itself to have a proper fan intake to get enough cool air in the case for the card to utilize, while also having decent exhaust to dump whatever minimal heat does build up.
That GPU shroud design still looks pretty good, and it sounds like a good idea. A blower cooler with a regular cooler to help the GPU cool in a possibly more efficient way.
I was a bit confused at 5:50 when I heard "Elma" but I think he meant "Alma Wade" From the Video Game Series F.E.A.R(good game series btw)
Ejecting high heat right out of the case might make sense also assuming that airflow is limited. If some of the components produce less heat cooling the hot parts with hotter air and cooler parts with cooler air could net a benefit to going to a full internal circulation build. Also theres only 2 fans. End of the day you have to test both configurations in representative cases with all their other fans.
I've had the Acer iPredator A770 for a couple of years and I love it.
Intel arc ? Huh they are here for year max
@@Cyber_Gas I was roundin up. You are roundin down. It was launched Q3'22.
Interesting concept for GPU cooling. I'm not surprised it didn't work out too well with the stability, I wouldn't be shocked if temps rose too high on some part fo the card your overlay wasn't watching.
Probably a good idea to prototype a card like that to see how well it works, but it doesn't look like it was a good idea for a public release.
G'day Dawid,
That 7600 vs 3060 Comparison was very relevant for me down here in Australia as at PCCG pricing is...
RTX3060 8GB $429AUD vs RX7600 8GB $429AUD
Dawid used a 12GB version of RTX3060 . The 8GB version is a scam from Nvidia and you should not even think about buying it. The performance difference between those 2 variants are significant.
even though im still on 1080p i went with a 12gb card if you guys want your card to last go above 8gigs recent games are really vram hungry
To be honest, I use two Acer monitors.
They were cheap to buy (about 120 € each), they are nothing fancy (60Hz), but they do the job fine many hours/day for the last 5 years and still not show any sign of fatigue.
I got the Acer Predator BiFrost A770 OC and I quite like it so far. Glad to see Acer keep using the hybrid fan cooler design. Hope to see them doing cards for Intels next gen of GPU.
Cool GPU design!
i just got one of these the other day and i love it, i tuned the crap out of it and it crushes 1080p gaming. very nice upgrade to my RX590 from 2018. $250 on amazon!
Interesting concept, I know blower designs are noisier, but the idea if dumping some of the heat out in a distinct direction makes some sense to me.
great design... hope the trend catches on, i like the idea
All the Acer GPUs of this style were on sale during Black Friday 2023. I believe 240 USD or less. I was considering them, but my pc case is the NZXT H1. I figured the hot air would get trapped in the bottom or go back up into the case. I settled for the Asus RX 7600 instead. It hasn't given me any problems at 1080p.
I loved the fan design and was thinking of getting one if there's a price drop in a few years but im now reconsidering.
The 7000 series cards from AMD tend to power spike a bit from what ive seen. If you jump into AMD adrenaline and undervolt it by 20mv, increase the power slider all the way on the bottom right, and lower the clock speeds by 50mhz on minimum/maximum each you will have eliminated all of your issues. Also may want to end "AMD Noise supression" in task manager because that can do it too. Love the videos man. Keep up the great work.
Acer is a great brand, have has some Acer product and they have also worked well. Probably he sould have tested it before opening it, just saying.
It was surprising to see Acer a brand known to put 'warranty void if removed/damaged' stickers on almost all of their laptops (atleast in my country) didn't have a single such sticker in this graphics card
Wouldn't Ryzen be a better fit for removing the crashing results?
Think I got the idea behind this cooler design. With the blower the heat gets ejected through the IO plate outside the case, which makes the coaxial fan more effective in blowing through the finstack. it therefore does not rely that much on open spaces in the shroud. An aircooled CPU should also benefit from this cooler design as the air the gets blown through the graphics cards is cooler.
Using adaptive sync on my 7900XT used to cause crashes in some games before I reinstalled my drivers after using the AMD cleanup utility. Might have been what was causing problems here too.
I love how he recognizes immediately that parts or systems are haunted
That name is crazy. Perfect for a minecraft youtuber.
Acer must learn how to make a properly working laptop then they can try to make a GPU. In my Nitro 5 one of the speaker not working because their awesome drivers. Also this is brand new laptop with all drivers updated.
Is that a vintage Omega wristwatch? Classy!
Thank you for doing 'Tech Stuff'
I own the A770 Bifrost. It's a pretty cool GPU, with nice RGB and a good build quality. They use puddy instead of pads, temps are fine and the packaging is very nice, they include a USB thumbdrive with drivers instead of the usual CD of older GPUs. That's pretty cool. I believe they made a custom 4090 as well, you should check that out. Overall, Acer is doing way better than other manufacturers.
9:20 as tested the bad scenario. As seeing the power goes really up and down pretty often. Even as it was just like few seconds but just feels that it sure struggled to keep going.
It's kinda smart regular fan does most the cooling and the blower blows it out back of case doing some extra cooling
Do you test before you open up the GPU or do you test and then you open it up?
usualy he tests before he opens it up than he opens it up but he puts the openning before the testing and calls it travelling in time sometimes