there sure is and they sure are, i just got one this evening. was doing Expert, not sure if that influences anything. its unreal how much loot a run of Expert (so 3x chests), 1 purple datafruit (2x more chests), on top of whatever remaining datafruit was left in the bank gets you.
You probably should have mentioned, in the Enigma Protocol activity, when you get to the hold/pause/reset room, there are 3 vex spires that have ghost-scan icons on them. Scanning them gives a purple data item. When 1 is scanned, there is a little pause and then the other 2 can be. So take the 30 seconds and scan all three :)
Are the spires shared with the team? I know one person scanned one and it didnt come back. The second person left without scanning one and I could grab the last two
While I don't think its necessarily complicated, I fail to see why I would do half of it. It's not that interesting imo, just feels like season of the splicer 2 currently
@@flufkyntotally agree this season is really weak(especially compared to last season coil was actually a good activity and it’s a shame it’s just gone), seems all of bungies resources got pumped into the dlc content and the season was an afterthought. Also enigma protocol sucks idk why they doubled down on the timed lightfall missions I didn’t hear anyone raving about that “oh yeah the lightfall sorry sucked but man those timed missions more of that please”
@@alexwilliamson9562well that is nothing new. First season that drops with the DLC is always bad. For BL it was season of the hunt, for witch queen was chosen, for lightfall was defiance and for this is this echo
@@DerLuukee Basically outside of the current activity the original comment is hoping that we can see the changes to the planet and it won't just be tied to the seasonal content, for example how in destiny 1 the edz/cosmodrome changed after the siva events happened
It definitely is, I was walking around & noticed you can find holograms of that new vex from the trailer and after standing in a circle it tells you to go somewhere but I couldn’t find where it told me to go. Something for a hidden quest I’m sure
My favorite part about the samples and the piston is how if your teammates continue to the next area, it gives you a joining allies timer and pulls you away from looting them.
I've now seen Datto, Byf, and myself fail that jump at 04:20. It’s even funnier knowing that everyone who has attempted that jump will reposition themselves when picking up that exact material. Gotta love niche pointless details.
I remember them saying episodes are meant to be more cinematic and such with more cutscenes but given the nature of how episodes are structured we won’t see how it’ll turn out until act 2 I guess
The biggest annoyance with the echoes activity is there is always one player that rushes to the next objective not giving any time to harvest samples. I mean half of the loot from the activity is turning in samples at the end, and most people just can't be bothered with it.
@@jeremykeen7515it’s not poorly explained at all. It has its own dedicated mission and is impressed upon you multiple times. But destiny players are averse to accountability. They get confused easily but it’s also never their fault.
I definitely missed when they explained the collecting part. Bungie really needs to do something about what info is needed in game to help the player along vs what info needed to solve puzzles/ figuring out mechanics. Some puzzles are way too easy and sometimes there is no info at all for things we should know and not have to figure out.
Wish we could get a private normal version so we can get the radiolite in peace, without having to deal with randoms ignoring them and rushing to the next encounter so you get teleported away.
That would be a good solution. They do have an experts mode with zero match making. So you have that option as well. The radiolite farmers vs people who just want to farm the loot are not a good mix.
fun fact: the area in Enigma Protocol is also the Splicer area in some of the missions from Season of the Splicer. was definitely happy to be returning here, i love that season
my issue with episodes being "time gated" is that it was my main complaint about seasons, i understand acts being timegated, so theres a reason to come back. but if i want to bang out an act in 1 sitting and have the time/drive to do so, let me.
I've always seen the piston spawn after the first encounter. Thank you for including this in your video. It feels like I'm the only person who knows about collecting radiolite. Maybe now everyone will start to catch on and not immediately rush to the next encounter or boss. I'm tired of leaving free easy loot on the table because of ill informed teammates.
I enjoy the new breach activity, reminds me of gambit but actually fun and with a few additional mechanics. My only gripe is how oblivious people are when it comes to pistons. They will just go and immediately start the fight, completely ignoring the fact that collecting as many nodes as possible gives you even more rewards. I’ve wasted a bunch of charges on my hammer because they start the activity right after I activate the piston.
Some actually find the piston, activate it, then just rush to the objective without picking up anything. The activity is not too bad, the auto-teleport is the worst thing about it...
Couple of things of note. If you clear ALL the security nodes in a givien area, the yellow text will say area cleared. And the higher difficulty seasonal (sorry, "episodic") activity pinnalce is currently not working as far as i can tell, and completions are not granting progress towards either the powerful engram reward for just running it or the pinnacle for 3 higher difficulty runs
I'm fine if Episodes just become slightly larger scale Seasons. But I would like Bungie to clarify that. If we are supposed to expect a larger shakeup of the model, week 1 doesn't show it.
I'm waiting to see the transitions between act 1 and 2 to have a major opinion on this. Week one was fun and i like the activity so im not very irked or anything.
Something weird happened the first (and only) time I did Enigma Protocol. After the second wipe to the timer (we were all underleveled) the timer turned off, and when it turned back on after the next encounter we had like 5 minutes left. The timer went back to 1 minute after the first chest (and we wiped soon after), so I don't know if it was a glitch or an intentional "mercy" mechanic. It was pretty convenient, though.
You ain't the only one that had a weird glitch We couldn't add time at all to the timer Reset multiple times but it never fixed itself to start giving us time
When this happen to my group we also had double perk rolls on every weapon drop. Then when we got to the boss we couldn't add time to the clock when we shot the yellow things.
It seems to be a bug that happens when you reboot multiple times. Whether it's an actual bug, or an intentional mechanic, i'm not sure, since the very first prompt to enter the vex network is "glitch" into the net, so it would fit that the net becomes buggy as we tamper with it.
I wasn’t expecting a difference in content delivery but I was expecting… something different? I don’t know what I was expecting in particular, but I’m hoping the other acts change it up some more
I thought a couple of days of this and people would catch on to the mechanics. How wrong I was. There's a reason why Raids don't have public matchmaking. Enigma protocol is even worse.
IDK if Datto has said it here, but in the Breach Executable activity, on the encounter where you're getting Arc Craniums, Void Crystals *also* work for the little data points.
Somehow we paused the time in the Enigma Protocol and had 6:30 left while fighting the boss. Got the triumph for a fast clear aswell. No clue how to replicate this…
During the Enigma Protocol activity, the power level of the enemies for me was 2020 (I am around 1950s) and they were WRECKING everyone who tried to match in. Minotaurs were taking like 4 rockets, or seemingly a dozen crit hits to die, and could one-hit you. I wonder if we'll get some kind of splicer perk eventually that makes doing that activity easier, like we did when in that wayback season.. It's also worth noting that if you wipe, you have to restart all the way from the beginning again, and it's not clear to me what constitutes a wipe event. The timer is not always visible.
I feel like my only real complaint about the episode so far is that I was hoping this would be a transition to more content in larger drops as opposed to small bursts every week. I've never really liked having to come back every week to see what's going on and play a tiny bit of content before being done for the week (mainly because some weeks would just be "hey nothing is actually happening in the story come back next week") and would rather have a few hours of new stuff to blow through every month or so instead.
No one is stopping you from doing exactly just that. Wait for a few weeks and cone back for a chunk of it instead of waiting every week. The episode isn't going anywhere.
Switching to Episodes has truly allowed Bungie to move past the limitations of Seasons and bring us a deep level of content the likes of which have never been seen.
Piston has always spawned after the first encounters for me, but it can also spawn after the second, meaning there’s a chance you can drop 2 charges in a run. The standard resource nodes seem to always spawn after completing an encounter, usually in groups of 4. Banking data also gives Failsafe reputation
The funny part is bungie saying how they heard feedback of how the seasonal model felt samey and too predictable, and said that big changes would be coming to it... just for it to end up being literally the same thing but now called episodes. Idk how anyone could be confused on how this works, it's the same seasonal model as the past... 3-4? years.
@@Westbrook__ You're describing the whole Destiny game in your reply. 😅That said, episodes have one huge difference from seasons, imo - There's no grid to fulfill to get buffs and perks.
I was under the impression the timegates would only be for act 1,2,3 that we could play all of the act 1 content when act 1 dropped, instead of the weekly timegated story stuff we always got going off the high from TFS, back to the weekly seasonal slop really took the wind out of my sails
I like how fast the activity is but it’s so boring honestly and I’ve only done the other activity one time but I can’t get progress towards my powerful engrams by completing it on harder difficulty
So i very much have a bad feeling about episodes because why is it that after the amazingness that was final shape we get basically the seasonal model? Wasn’t this supposed to be different? It just feels like weird extra time gated seasons
Besides the extra cutscene with saint and Osiris wanting to travel this seemed almost if not the same as a week 1 season launch which these episodes were said to be different did they mean different all together or it’s different late into the episode. Hopefully week 2 and onward are different from a season model cause in the showcase they made it look like these will be a drastic change to how the content works but in execution this is a bad first impression
Yeah...still not seeing enough of a shift away from seasons to secure my purchase. I'll keep an eye out for a breakdown of episode 2 and see if things have improved.
The first time I did Enigma Protocol the time was just at 1 minute the entire time. We made it to the room that had a rally banner but then we all hit the reset button not knowing what it did. When we restarted the timer was working correctly.
What does it do exactly? Do we press it just for a wipe, or is it like a forever grind loop every time? We also have the option to continue with the mission do I dont know what is the right thing to do.
@@accountkim6686 it killed all 3 of us and restarted from the beginning. Really don't know what the point is, maybe to get more of the time extensions?
I think it is better to have re-used them, because TFS "re-uses" tons of other familiar bits like the Tower. Re-using them is therefore both consistent, and helps us recognize areas to go because we're already familiar with them since we're on a timer situation =)
@ablestmage the Pale Heart was meant to be a place made of memories, so reusing destinations was expected there. This is the Vex network, which should be different from the last visit, because why would the Vex simulate a situation again in which they already lost?
Meteroric does not show up for my second + third characters as Mission, or anything. All went well starting everything and running a few laps on Warlock, but Titan and Hunter can only deposit Extracted samples the Warlock collects. The new Lab section remains walled-off, but one is within reach to deposiit Bio-thing, Failsafe never shows up in Helm. Only the Warlock sees Failsafe to advance ranks. All characters show ‘Ownership” of Echoes I, but no access seen in Map, except Enigma Protocol - which is blocked as both need to complete Mission:Meteoric. I’m writing this out to describe ‘symptoms’ for anyone else stymied, then sending to Bungie.
Have you completed the Final Shape campaign with the other characters? That is the very first step of the episode's quest. You won't get any seasonal stuff until then.
I’ve seen double pistons. After the first you can get it and before boss room you can get it. It I think you need the first for the second to spawn. Luckily I was with a team that was hunting for them
I would be so down if they added more long term content like imagine we got 2 30th anniversary’s every year instead of seasons but that probably wouldn’t happen
The amount of times that I use a hammer charge for more drops, and a random pulls me to the next encounter is unreal. The only private version is Legend. This one will go down as meh, kinda like Plunder's activity.
it can definitely spawn after the first, but im fairly certain that its rng if 1/2/0 spawn during runs, because some runs i only get 1 or 0. Only a couple of my runs have had 2
The Timegate really killed my Momentum coming off the final shape, I finished all the post campaign questing waiting for Echoes to start, just to play some samey activates that end with another timegate
You got to also think about the fact that bungie used to get bad feedback because they released big content drops all at once and then people played it all in 1-2 weeks. It’s very hard to win as a developer because your core audience is very split in what they want. People like me who really only play D2 kinda prefer this style because I always have a reason to come back. If it was all at once I’d probably play D2 just a few weeks out of the year
Take it slow fam, there's exotic khvostov and exotic heavy trace rifle microcosm to get, also the exotic sword and exotic class item, if you're feel nothing to do, try to farm the above mentioned 👍🏻👍🏻
Meh, doesn’t make too much of a difference to me, as I’ve kept super busy with my personal life, so I’ve had a lot less time to play since raid launch. Its a good way to give me time to catch up
@@pepjacklentso what you are saying is, because you would finish the content in less than a month you want it to be timegated so everyone that likes to play one game at a time is fcked in the ass because they will inevitably quit to play something that they can actually finish? There is no excuse to timegate seasons and they didn't get bad feedback, you are misinterpreting the data they showed, the only thing they got is that people log in less frequently because they can finish something they like and move on until the next season/dlc drops, which means they said "we can make more money by selling content people missed (season pass armor) and we also have a higher % of players that log in each week to show the shareholders/sony." I really like TFS, but with the seasonal content we currently have available its not enough to let me get over the letdown of Lightfall.
As a returning player who hasn’t played since witch queen, what are the most important things to catch up on other than campaigns. Would onslaught be worth farming now that focusing isn’t available anymore?
I’d say try and get a good roll of “the call” from pale heart engrams(or craft it if you can), you could try farm onslaught for an endgame edge transit but I don’t think it’s very easy now you can’t focus. I’ve heard the new HELM rocket is decent with a good roll just TH-cam that if you want that
If you want an easy to run loadout that wipes pretty much everything try The Call, Sunshot & a DPS heavy. I’ve been almost exclusively running this and is great for everything
You should probably farm onslaught. Although you missed its prime (being able to target farm specific weapons, as well as bonus drops and shiny weapons (second row of perks and special ornament)), you should still run it. There’s a lot of good weapons worth getting from it.
I had a run where I had the piston spawn after the 1st encounter AND the 2nd encounter. It was Expert difficulty, but on repeat runs, I did not always have 2 pistons. Not sure if it is just chance regardless of difficulty or not.
Can I do this if I'm a new light and don't want to do the Final Shape campaign yet (still on Shadowkeep) or is Final Shape needed, cos all I want is the seasonal artifact without delving into too many spoilers for myself.
@@volks7x 4/10 of the weapons aren’t available currently with the reasoning being 3 will release in act 2 and other 3 will release in act 3. Maybe it’ll be one new weapon a week we’ll have to see on Tuesday
@@SavvyMon4 There's currently 6 seasonal weapons available, not 4. The gl, the sword, the rocket, the scout, the auto rifle and the handcannon. There's also 3 reprised weapons. They'll most likely bring 2 seasonal and 3 reprised each act.
@@voltus20 forget about he scout and the HC that’s how unmoving they are. I’ll be curious to try a heal clip roll of the scout to see if works after reloading a single shot. And I’m pretty sure the only other 2 dawn weapons returning are Martyr’s and perfect paradox
Soooo were basically Intergalactic Stickup Boys running around strong arming Vex and taking their packs back to Failsafe?? This is starting to sound like The Wire.. I get it now!! 😅
Honestly I wasn't expecting too much from Echoes Act 1, cause the season following a major release is ALWAYS weak. That being said, this definitely feels a lot more substantial than last year's Season of Defiance, which was basically just strikes. I dunno, I feel like I need to see the other acts and episodes to get a better sense of what they're trying to do.
I’ve seen multiple pistons appear, I triggered one before a boss and one of my random teammates had triggered another while I was harvesting. This was on the higher difficulty though
So all we get are 3 Season split into 3 Acts. I would have prefered if they were more like small Dlcs and i could play through them without being timegated or anything (Within one Act of course). At least for me I can much better follow a story if it isnt split up in 5 weeks or so and i can play through it and know what is going on.
NEED HELP. I completed act 1 and act 2 on my titan. I went to do it on my Hunter but I cannot find the intro mission. I can’t find it in the directory or at the failsafe on Nessus. Any suggestions??? Thank you
Episodes just really feel like longer spread out Seasons tbh. Bungie's business plan to keep players spread out across the year instead of having a large number on launch and spikes only happening every new weekly story and season finale.
It’s to be expected as it launched alongside the expansion. Similar to seasons that launch with expansions, they tend to be lackluster because all their time and effort is put into said expansion. The season (in this case episode) is the “after thought” but here’s hoping things get better in the following acts
@@voltus20 ummmm because seasons had the same structure weekly lock out progress, talk to vendor , radio message. Then wait till next week it’s completely obvious it’s the same thing as a season with a different name and longer. What’s the point of “Acts” when everything is weekly progression, and not all dropped in each act?
Im okay with the current content for a little bit the new seasonal content feels like old stuff they had leftover in the content trough that they want to utliize before they begin developing the next arc in the story which is why its reminensent of other seassonal activities. Im hoping for a shift away from the combat loop dunking think into box and shooting stuff gambit esque content for the short term and I hope I'm right.
When they first announced episodes I though this was going to be like bigger chunks of content rather than the weekly time gate again. So far I don't see what's the difference between the two other than the name.
oh so i wasnt missing anything in that mid point room. It feels like that room should give us perks like in coil. Enigma Protocall is fun but the other one is boring.
Disappointing how quest steps are time gated. I hoped Act 1 all drops on onw day,you can finish it on your pace and then wait for Act 2 story quests. So far the only difference i have seen between this and previous seasons was legendady weapons timegate and a single cutscene more.
All im saying is we were promised major changes to the seasonal model and this literally is just a longer season with less content droughts. They set the expectations too high
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Welcome back, Red War
Talk about deja vu 😂
there IS A PURPLE RARITY for the resources. I think they give 400 but they are rare as hell
there sure is and they sure are, i just got one this evening. was doing Expert, not sure if that influences anything. its unreal how much loot a run of Expert (so 3x chests), 1 purple datafruit (2x more chests), on top of whatever remaining datafruit was left in the bank gets you.
@@mvrk4044been telling everyone. Attempted it solo(private) and it wasn’t so fun. Definitely a nice little 15 min loot farm on Expert
Makes me wonder if there is gonna be a exotic rarity for the exotic weapon
@@mvrk4044You mean Radiolite?
You probably should have mentioned, in the Enigma Protocol activity, when you get to the hold/pause/reset room, there are 3 vex spires that have ghost-scan icons on them. Scanning them gives a purple data item. When 1 is scanned, there is a little pause and then the other 2 can be. So take the 30 seconds and scan all three :)
Are the spires shared with the team? I know one person scanned one and it didnt come back. The second person left without scanning one and I could grab the last two
Had a teammate take all 3 before I could even get one. Are they shared? I didn't get any
_"You remember how you dunked fish into the aquarium?"_
Yes, and I want my fish back.
Finally I will understand how this very complicated activity works! Thanks Datto!
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While I don't think its necessarily complicated, I fail to see why I would do half of it. It's not that interesting imo, just feels like season of the splicer 2 currently
@@flufkyntotally agree this season is really weak(especially compared to last season coil was actually a good activity and it’s a shame it’s just gone), seems all of bungies resources got pumped into the dlc content and the season was an afterthought. Also enigma protocol sucks idk why they doubled down on the timed lightfall missions I didn’t hear anyone raving about that “oh yeah the lightfall sorry sucked but man those timed missions more of that please”
@@alexwilliamson9562well that is nothing new. First season that drops with the DLC is always bad. For BL it was season of the hunt, for witch queen was chosen, for lightfall was defiance and for this is this echo
@@spajki001WQ was Season of the Risen which was better than Plunder imo
I hope the Planet actually changes and its not restricted to the activity.
What do you mean? Nessus is the episode planet, Vex and so on
@@DerLuukee Basically outside of the current activity the original comment is hoping that we can see the changes to the planet and it won't just be tied to the seasonal content, for example how in destiny 1 the edz/cosmodrome changed after the siva events happened
@@DarkChibiWeebie exactly, like what they did with Proving Grounds. Actually changing the patrol space.
It definitely is, I was walking around & noticed you can find holograms of that new vex from the trailer and after standing in a circle it tells you to go somewhere but I couldn’t find where it told me to go. Something for a hidden quest I’m sure
@thunder5026 there's holograms yh. But none of the new plant life etc. The hologram leads you to the second seasonal activity. Enigma Protocol
My favorite part about the samples and the piston is how if your teammates continue to the next area, it gives you a joining allies timer and pulls you away from looting them.
I've now seen Datto, Byf, and myself fail that jump at 04:20. It’s even funnier knowing that everyone who has attempted that jump will reposition themselves when picking up that exact material. Gotta love niche pointless details.
I remember them saying episodes are meant to be more cinematic and such with more cutscenes but given the nature of how episodes are structured we won’t see how it’ll turn out until act 2 I guess
Also looking at the roadmap they released like a year ago when they first announced episodes we do get a new activity each act
@@tromar5758it’s not “new” per se more like probably being 3 man activity, some battleground and 6 man activity prolly
@@DEADtoRISE08 so new activities
@@fleepdeep1706 if that what you want your narrative to be
@@fleepdeep1706I don’t consider battlegrounds new activities lol. They all play nearly the same just in different locations.
The biggest annoyance with the echoes activity is there is always one player that rushes to the next objective not giving any time to harvest samples. I mean half of the loot from the activity is turning in samples at the end, and most people just can't be bothered with it.
it’s an annoying mechanic that is poorly explained in-game. bungie shouldn’t rely on outside sources to teach their players how to play
If I see a fellow guardian looking for samples I'll wait at the portal gate but yeah then you have the third guardian rushing in
@@jeremykeen7515it’s not poorly explained at all. It has its own dedicated mission and is impressed upon you multiple times. But destiny players are averse to accountability. They get confused easily but it’s also never their fault.
I definitely missed when they explained the collecting part. Bungie really needs to do something about what info is needed in game to help the player along vs what info needed to solve puzzles/ figuring out mechanics. Some puzzles are way too easy and sometimes there is no info at all for things we should know and not have to figure out.
There is another Radiolite dunk spot that spawns at the end of the 'Breach Executable' activity as well, especially for those on the red border grind.
Isn't that exactly the same as the one in the helm though? What difference does it make?
Wish we could get a private normal version so we can get the radiolite in peace, without having to deal with randoms ignoring them and rushing to the next encounter so you get teleported away.
Deep dives were worse but agreed
That would be a good solution. They do have an experts mode with zero match making. So you have that option as well. The radiolite farmers vs people who just want to farm the loot are not a good mix.
@@isaiahkelly8955 But Radiolite = more loot. People are just lazy
fun fact: the area in Enigma Protocol is also the Splicer area in some of the missions from Season of the Splicer. was definitely happy to be returning here, i love that season
my issue with episodes being "time gated" is that it was my main complaint about seasons, i understand acts being timegated, so theres a reason to come back.
but if i want to bang out an act in 1 sitting and have the time/drive to do so, let me.
No one is stopping you from doing just that.
Wait 20/21 days for all of act 1 to release and then play it all in one sitting.
@@voltus20
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@@voltus20 this one of the dumbest replies I've ever seen.
The armor for the season is actually pretty crazy. The hunter ronin hat and sword on the back is awesome.
I've always seen the piston spawn after the first encounter. Thank you for including this in your video. It feels like I'm the only person who knows about collecting radiolite. Maybe now everyone will start to catch on and not immediately rush to the next encounter or boss. I'm tired of leaving free easy loot on the table because of ill informed teammates.
Type in chat your going for them. My teams listen
@@MrHealingmonk I would but it takes an hour to type a sentence on the PS5 on screen keyboard
Bungie shouldn't have gone out of their way to ambiguously describe how episodes were different from seasons, otherwise 🤷♂️
The new gl is so nice can’t wait to try it out in gms to see how viable it is
The interaction between the GL frame and it's foundry perk definitely makes it strong, especially if you also have the reverberations perk
1:31 holy shit thats a really good analogy
The time it’s taking for the raid thoughts is making me hyped for the raid thoughts (no rush, love you datto)
I enjoy the new breach activity, reminds me of gambit but actually fun and with a few additional mechanics. My only gripe is how oblivious people are when it comes to pistons. They will just go and immediately start the fight, completely ignoring the fact that collecting as many nodes as possible gives you even more rewards. I’ve wasted a bunch of charges on my hammer because they start the activity right after I activate the piston.
Some actually find the piston, activate it, then just rush to the objective without picking up anything. The activity is not too bad, the auto-teleport is the worst thing about it...
So good to see the Well of Flame getting used again.
Couple of things of note. If you clear ALL the security nodes in a givien area, the yellow text will say area cleared. And the higher difficulty seasonal (sorry, "episodic") activity pinnalce is currently not working as far as i can tell, and completions are not granting progress towards either the powerful engram reward for just running it or the pinnacle for 3 higher difficulty runs
For whatever reason the private fireteam option works for progress but not match-made on expert.
@@Fateless wild. Will test later. Thanks
I'm fine if Episodes just become slightly larger scale Seasons. But I would like Bungie to clarify that. If we are supposed to expect a larger shakeup of the model, week 1 doesn't show it.
I'm waiting to see the transitions between act 1 and 2 to have a major opinion on this. Week one was fun and i like the activity so im not very irked or anything.
Something weird happened the first (and only) time I did Enigma Protocol. After the second wipe to the timer (we were all underleveled) the timer turned off, and when it turned back on after the next encounter we had like 5 minutes left. The timer went back to 1 minute after the first chest (and we wiped soon after), so I don't know if it was a glitch or an intentional "mercy" mechanic. It was pretty convenient, though.
same
You ain't the only one that had a weird glitch
We couldn't add time at all to the timer
Reset multiple times but it never fixed itself to start giving us time
Same here
When this happen to my group we also had double perk rolls on every weapon drop. Then when we got to the boss we couldn't add time to the clock when we shot the yellow things.
It seems to be a bug that happens when you reboot multiple times.
Whether it's an actual bug, or an intentional mechanic, i'm not sure, since the very first prompt to enter the vex network is "glitch" into the net, so it would fit that the net becomes buggy as we tamper with it.
Hopefully we get opinions for act 2 as well otherwise ill have no idea what to think
You obviously do or wouldn’t be here watching the video commenting
Get your own joke
I wasn’t expecting a difference in content delivery but I was expecting… something different? I don’t know what I was expecting in particular, but I’m hoping the other acts change it up some more
I thought a couple of days of this and people would catch on to the mechanics. How wrong I was. There's a reason why Raids don't have public matchmaking. Enigma protocol is even worse.
There's so much I don't know about this season. I'll need to watch this again..
How it works: pretty much like seasons
IDK if Datto has said it here, but in the Breach Executable activity, on the encounter where you're getting Arc Craniums, Void Crystals *also* work for the little data points.
Somehow we paused the time in the Enigma Protocol and had 6:30 left while fighting the boss. Got the triumph for a fast clear aswell. No clue how to replicate this…
During the Enigma Protocol activity, the power level of the enemies for me was 2020 (I am around 1950s) and they were WRECKING everyone who tried to match in. Minotaurs were taking like 4 rockets, or seemingly a dozen crit hits to die, and could one-hit you. I wonder if we'll get some kind of splicer perk eventually that makes doing that activity easier, like we did when in that wayback season..
It's also worth noting that if you wipe, you have to restart all the way from the beginning again, and it's not clear to me what constitutes a wipe event. The timer is not always visible.
I feel like my only real complaint about the episode so far is that I was hoping this would be a transition to more content in larger drops as opposed to small bursts every week. I've never really liked having to come back every week to see what's going on and play a tiny bit of content before being done for the week (mainly because some weeks would just be "hey nothing is actually happening in the story come back next week") and would rather have a few hours of new stuff to blow through every month or so instead.
No one is stopping you from doing exactly just that.
Wait for a few weeks and cone back for a chunk of it instead of waiting every week. The episode isn't going anywhere.
@@voltus20rewards, loot, xur. you saying ‘don’t do that’ is ignorant to the fact that we have multiple sources of powerful drops every week.
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Switching to Episodes has truly allowed Bungie to move past the limitations of Seasons and bring us a deep level of content the likes of which have never been seen.
Piston has always spawned after the first encounters for me, but it can also spawn after the second, meaning there’s a chance you can drop 2 charges in a run. The standard resource nodes seem to always spawn after completing an encounter, usually in groups of 4.
Banking data also gives Failsafe reputation
The funny part is bungie saying how they heard feedback of how the seasonal model felt samey and too predictable, and said that big changes would be coming to it... just for it to end up being literally the same thing but now called episodes.
Idk how anyone could be confused on how this works, it's the same seasonal model as the past... 3-4? years.
It's similar but it's not the same.,
@@pftvfc66 I have seen absolutely zero difference outside of the cutscene.
@@pftvfc66 cap it’s still kill stuff, follow white waypoint, do what left quest activity objective says.
@@Westbrook__ You're describing the whole Destiny game in your reply. 😅That said, episodes have one huge difference from seasons, imo - There's no grid to fulfill to get buffs and perks.
I was under the impression the timegates would only be for act 1,2,3
that we could play all of the act 1 content when act 1 dropped, instead of the weekly timegated story stuff we always got
going off the high from TFS, back to the weekly seasonal slop really took the wind out of my sails
I like how fast the activity is but it’s so boring honestly and I’ve only done the other activity one time but I can’t get progress towards my powerful engrams by completing it on harder difficulty
So i very much have a bad feeling about episodes because why is it that after the amazingness that was final shape we get basically the seasonal model? Wasn’t this supposed to be different? It just feels like weird extra time gated seasons
Can’t wait to see the “Episode 1: Echoes, the Jumpfail edition, w/ Travel Daniel”.
Besides the extra cutscene with saint and Osiris wanting to travel this seemed almost if not the same as a week 1 season launch which these episodes were said to be different did they mean different all together or it’s different late into the episode.
Hopefully week 2 and onward are different from a season model cause in the showcase they made it look like these will be a drastic change to how the content works but in execution this is a bad first impression
so pretty much the last mission. is just there if you want extra stuff....
I hope you’ve gotten some rest since launch!
Yeah...still not seeing enough of a shift away from seasons to secure my purchase. I'll keep an eye out for a breakdown of episode 2 and see if things have improved.
Played a few of these missions thus far, so thank you Datto, or else I'd keep missing those pistons.
The first time I did Enigma Protocol the time was just at 1 minute the entire time. We made it to the room that had a rally banner but then we all hit the reset button not knowing what it did. When we restarted the timer was working correctly.
What does it do exactly? Do we press it just for a wipe, or is it like a forever grind loop every time? We also have the option to continue with the mission do I dont know what is the right thing to do.
@@accountkim6686 it killed all 3 of us and restarted from the beginning. Really don't know what the point is, maybe to get more of the time extensions?
That could be one use, but having a reset button solely for one achievement seems a little odd.
I’ve tried going after the pinnacle rewards for doing the activity on Expert but despite platinum got no progress whatsoever.
Tysm for the guide! The quest steps are...weirdly dense.
So many reused Splicer areas. That's a kick in the teeth after TFS came out so great
I think it is better to have re-used them, because TFS "re-uses" tons of other familiar bits like the Tower. Re-using them is therefore both consistent, and helps us recognize areas to go because we're already familiar with them since we're on a timer situation =)
@ablestmage the Pale Heart was meant to be a place made of memories, so reusing destinations was expected there. This is the Vex network, which should be different from the last visit, because why would the Vex simulate a situation again in which they already lost?
Meteroric does not show up for my second + third characters as Mission, or anything. All went well starting everything and running a few laps on Warlock, but Titan and Hunter can only deposit Extracted samples the Warlock collects. The new Lab section remains walled-off, but one is within reach to deposiit Bio-thing, Failsafe never shows up in Helm. Only the Warlock sees Failsafe to advance ranks. All characters show ‘Ownership” of Echoes I, but no access seen in Map, except Enigma Protocol - which is blocked as both need to complete Mission:Meteoric. I’m writing this out to describe ‘symptoms’ for anyone else stymied, then sending to Bungie.
Have you completed the Final Shape campaign with the other characters?
That is the very first step of the episode's quest. You won't get any seasonal stuff until then.
The naming is really mouthful. What's next? 2 Episodes 2 Acts?
Episode 1: Echoes: Act 1. how hard is that
it's not really but go off
I’ve seen double pistons. After the first you can get it and before boss room you can get it. It I think you need the first for the second to spawn. Luckily I was with a team that was hunting for them
I would be so down if they added more long term content like imagine we got 2 30th anniversary’s every year instead of seasons but that probably wouldn’t happen
I love DataFruit and the dream team.
I wanted to update, the piston hammer part does happen twice. You can get it after both encounters. At least on expert difficulty
The amount of times that I use a hammer charge for more drops, and a random pulls me to the next encounter is unreal. The only private version is Legend. This one will go down as meh, kinda like Plunder's activity.
I'm so excited to find out my opinion, thank you Daddo!
You don’t have to watch if you don’t are of want to know…
@@jimmcmeen761 what?
@@moonwhooperseems like he’s drunk.
@@cwj2733 perhaps
@@jimmcmeen761 This is the second comment I've seen that you've done this under... For your sake I hope there isn't more...
4:51 good luck with this sentiment in a MM version of the activity.
it can definitely spawn after the first, but im fairly certain that its rng if 1/2/0 spawn during runs, because some runs i only get 1 or 0. Only a couple of my runs have had 2
From what i've played, expert version seems to guarantee 1 and has a pretty decent chance of having 2.
The Timegate really killed my Momentum coming off the final shape, I finished all the post campaign questing waiting for Echoes to start, just to play some samey activates that end with another timegate
You got to also think about the fact that bungie used to get bad feedback because they released big content drops all at once and then people played it all in 1-2 weeks. It’s very hard to win as a developer because your core audience is very split in what they want. People like me who really only play D2 kinda prefer this style because I always have a reason to come back. If it was all at once I’d probably play D2 just a few weeks out of the year
I still haven't finished the post-campaign quests and Echoes feels overwhelming.
Take it slow fam, there's exotic khvostov and exotic heavy trace rifle microcosm to get, also the exotic sword and exotic class item, if you're feel nothing to do, try to farm the above mentioned 👍🏻👍🏻
Meh, doesn’t make too much of a difference to me, as I’ve kept super busy with my personal life, so I’ve had a lot less time to play since raid launch. Its a good way to give me time to catch up
@@pepjacklentso what you are saying is, because you would finish the content in less than a month you want it to be timegated so everyone that likes to play one game at a time is fcked in the ass because they will inevitably quit to play something that they can actually finish? There is no excuse to timegate seasons and they didn't get bad feedback, you are misinterpreting the data they showed, the only thing they got is that people log in less frequently because they can finish something they like and move on until the next season/dlc drops, which means they said "we can make more money by selling content people missed (season pass armor) and we also have a higher % of players that log in each week to show the shareholders/sony."
I really like TFS, but with the seasonal content we currently have available its not enough to let me get over the letdown of Lightfall.
As a returning player who hasn’t played since witch queen, what are the most important things to catch up on other than campaigns. Would onslaught be worth farming now that focusing isn’t available anymore?
I’d say try and get a good roll of “the call” from pale heart engrams(or craft it if you can), you could try farm onslaught for an endgame edge transit but I don’t think it’s very easy now you can’t focus. I’ve heard the new HELM rocket is decent with a good roll just TH-cam that if you want that
If you want an easy to run loadout that wipes pretty much everything try The Call, Sunshot & a DPS heavy. I’ve been almost exclusively running this and is great for everything
@@Keedz yeah i’ve been running the call, sun shot and a threaded needle on prismatic warlock and it’s so good
Farm onslaught, best weapons in the game
You should probably farm onslaught. Although you missed its prime (being able to target farm specific weapons, as well as bonus drops and shiny weapons (second row of perks and special ornament)), you should still run it. There’s a lot of good weapons worth getting from it.
It's worth noting that while pickups are shared, the rarity is random per player, which kinda sucks
FYI, the piston can be after the first and/or second. I had a run with one after the first and one after the second.
I had a run where I had the piston spawn after the 1st encounter AND the 2nd encounter. It was Expert difficulty, but on repeat runs, I did not always have 2 pistons. Not sure if it is just chance regardless of difficulty or not.
Can I do this if I'm a new light and don't want to do the Final Shape campaign yet (still on Shadowkeep) or is Final Shape needed, cos all I want is the seasonal artifact without delving into too many spoilers for myself.
I enjoy Datto’s subtle rage for those blueberries that do not know what they do not know.
Having the seasonal weapons be time gated is such a major L and you can’t convince me otherwise.
How are they timegated?
@@volks7x 4/10 of the weapons aren’t available currently with the reasoning being 3 will release in act 2 and other 3 will release in act 3. Maybe it’ll be one new weapon a week we’ll have to see on Tuesday
@@SavvyMon4
There's currently 6 seasonal weapons available, not 4.
The gl, the sword, the rocket, the scout, the auto rifle and the handcannon.
There's also 3 reprised weapons.
They'll most likely bring 2 seasonal and 3 reprised each act.
@@voltus20 forget about he scout and the HC that’s how unmoving they are. I’ll be curious to try a heal clip roll of the scout to see if works after reloading a single shot. And I’m pretty sure the only other 2 dawn weapons returning are Martyr’s and perfect paradox
@@SavvyMon4you do realise that we tend to get 6 weapons in a whole season, right?
Soooo were basically Intergalactic Stickup Boys running around strong arming Vex and taking their packs back to Failsafe?? This is starting to sound like The Wire.. I get it now!! 😅
Honestly I wasn't expecting too much from Echoes Act 1, cause the season following a major release is ALWAYS weak. That being said, this definitely feels a lot more substantial than last year's Season of Defiance, which was basically just strikes. I dunno, I feel like I need to see the other acts and episodes to get a better sense of what they're trying to do.
The nodes stop working after the first part of enigma protocol though??? Game bugged??
I’ve seen multiple pistons appear, I triggered one before a boss and one of my random teammates had triggered another while I was harvesting. This was on the higher difficulty though
So all we get are 3 Season split into 3 Acts. I would have prefered if they were more like small Dlcs and i could play through them without being timegated or anything (Within one Act of course). At least for me I can much better follow a story if it isnt split up in 5 weeks or so and i can play through it and know what is going on.
NEED HELP. I completed act 1 and act 2 on my titan. I went to do it on my Hunter but I cannot find the intro mission. I can’t find it in the directory or at the failsafe on Nessus. Any suggestions??? Thank you
I have seen the piston once after the first encounter. Every other time I have seen it after the second.
I've seen the piston spawn at launch of breech executable.
Episodes just really feel like longer spread out Seasons tbh. Bungie's business plan to keep players spread out across the year instead of having a large number on launch and spikes only happening every new weekly story and season finale.
Damn this episode seems mighty similar to a season
It’s to be expected as it launched alongside the expansion. Similar to seasons that launch with expansions, they tend to be lackluster because all their time and effort is put into said expansion. The season (in this case episode) is the “after thought” but here’s hoping things get better in the following acts
Bungie said episodes were an evolution of the seasonal formula. Not a replacement for it.
We're 1 week out of 6 (per act) into the 1st act of a 3 act episode, kinda soon to cast judgement.
@@voltus20people already saying that episodes are no different from seasons, when the episode started 6 days ago. people arr actually insane
@@voltus20 ummmm because seasons had the same structure weekly lock out progress, talk to vendor , radio message. Then wait till next week it’s completely obvious it’s the same thing as a season with a different name and longer. What’s the point of “Acts” when everything is weekly progression, and not all dropped in each act?
I didnt notice the little messages above the mission objective from various characters like failsafe and ikora basically vanguard group chat
Im okay with the current content for a little bit the new seasonal content feels like old stuff they had leftover in the content trough that they want to utliize before they begin developing the next arc in the story which is why its reminensent of other seassonal activities. Im hoping for a shift away from the combat loop dunking think into box and shooting stuff gambit esque content for the short term and I hope I'm right.
When they first announced episodes I though this was going to be like bigger chunks of content rather than the weekly time gate again. So far I don't see what's the difference between the two other than the name.
Wait the Enigma timer is up at all times? I’ve only ever seen it appear after the first chest
oh so i wasnt missing anything in that mid point room. It feels like that room should give us perks like in coil. Enigma Protocall is fun but the other one is boring.
noticed a bug that is possible for the time crystals in the sparrow sections to just not give additional time which is super annoying
Hell yeah, new Datto vid, my new opinion is here
Cool to see the return of stuff from Season of the Splicer
Bungie are the masters at reusing
@@omensoffate True, but this is one that I actually enjoyed when it was in the game
Thank you father
I like collecting like 10 resource nodes of Radiolite, only to be at 180g/200g at the end. 😂
Crap… didn’t know about the double perks. Just tossed em after I saw the perks without inspecting them.
Enigma Balls
You didn't go to the boss in Enigma Protocol?
i'm not at 2000 power yet should i wait to play Enigma Protocol?
Disappointing how quest steps are time gated.
I hoped Act 1 all drops on onw day,you can finish it on your pace and then wait for Act 2 story quests. So far the only difference i have seen between this and previous seasons was legendady weapons timegate and a single cutscene more.
Rare sample acquired!
A piston tower spawns after each encounter
Will there be no playthrought of Excission?
There’s a chance to get two pistons per activity for expert I believe I’ve only ever seen one in normal
Still waiting on dattos thoughts on salvations edge worlds first raid and salvations edge in general
All im saying is we were promised major changes to the seasonal model and this literally is just a longer season with less content droughts. They set the expectations too high
why is there no mention of the timer being bugged?