I would just add Tessellation has one insane combination and that’s with strand warlock on swarmers with thread of rebirth, thread of evolution and thread of generation. It ABSOLUTELY NUKES! Ads and some beefier targets in GMs and battle grounds especially with the amount of threadlings it creates its bonkas! Only caveat is there’s no mod for fusion rifles in the artifact so things get a little dicey with certain champion combinations, but if you have good team mates who can stun it allows you to go absolutely crazy. Definitely worth trying just for the fun of it and if done right you should get a grenade back instantly almost every time.
Final Warning : 3:10 Tesselation : 4:00 Cerberus : 5:31 NechroChasm : 8:32 Dead Mans Tale : 9:34 Deterministic Chaos : 11:22 The Colony : 13:09 Symmetry : 14:52 Truth : 15:41 Bastion : 16:50 Eriana's Vow : 19:16 Thank you for ur time
Queensbreaker so forgotten, it wasn't even mentioned. It did get a buff in Final Shape, increased ammo reserves by 3, and +12% damage boost against bosses, minibosses, Champions, and vehicles. .... basically it doesn't really matter lol
Imo if they really dont wanna make it a special, they could just give it dummy thicc reserves to play off the d1 fantasy of having a lfr with a ton of ammo
@@Gee-bg2rv It really doesn't help it much, 12% is just not enough to matter, and the extra ammo won't help in DPS phases. It's decent utility in some content, but you'd be sacrificing a heavy exotic slot for it, and that would completely tank your DPS, the buffs didn't help with that issue. They should give the slow charge mode a 30% buff, then it might be interesting, since then it could actually do some decent damage, without powercreeping Sleeper Simulant in terms of raw damage. In the weapon tuning they did mention a future update at some point, so I hope it'll be something like that.
Bungie is in a tough spot regarding Exotic weapons. There are so many of them now that it’s very difficult to make any of them stand out without making one ridiculously overpowered. The gradual power creep of Legendary weapons further compromises the necessity and effectiveness of Exotic weapons. What surprises me is how cautiously Bungie buffs older Exotics that end up being barely viable even after a buff. For example, several of the weapons featured in this video.
Deterministic Chaos should get a catalyst that bumps the mag to 64 (to keep the multiples of 4 in sequence of 4>16>64) and every 4th consecutive shot landed gives a stacking 4% damage buff
Colony does endlessly chain, but there is an internal cooldown that prevents it from spawning new robots if the next kill is too close to the first. Best chain I've got so far was 5 in a row. They need to reduce that cooldown a bit to make it feel better.
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Deterministic Chaos still has value. It allows the person to who is debuffing to put out more damage than a div. However, do you want to make that choice is up to you since the dmg difference is so small
I agree. Either Eriana’s Vow needs a damage buff against PvE shields, Wish-Ender needs a nerf against PvE shields, or Eriana’s Vow needs to be converted to a primary ammo weapon. I suspect that Eriana’s Vow’s potential impact in PvP is a big part of why it’s such a difficult weapon to balance.
@@BahamutBreaker def just nerf wishender. Theres no good reason for it to one shot shields. It makes arby and eriana irrelevant. Especially since you can still use an energy weapom for energy shields.
@@raygoza91cnah nerfing wish ender would obliterate it and make it useless. It has the longest draw time of any bow besides Levi, popping shields in one shot is the only thing that makes it good. The answer is to buff eriana and arby making them more relevant.
The buff to Symmetry's caty actually really feels nice on Arc due to being able to get amp'd off arc multikills. The reload and handling buffs at base are definitely noticeable; adding Eddy on top and it's legitimately shocking how much nicer the gun feels when you don't spend a season reloading it.
The way I see Truth now is it's basically an Exotic Bipod Rocket now where it doesn't get hit by a damage or Blast Radius penalty and it deals all of its damage in the AoE itself, putting it in more of being a "add-clear" rocket that can still burst champions which would probably make it good for stuff like GMs maybe. Though I do wish it got Danger Zone as a catalyst perk, since not dying to your rockets while surrounded by adds is actually really helpful in non-boss damage focused situations. (But I'm also biased in that my favorite rocket roll is Danger Zone/Bipod for stuff like Nightfalls and Add Clear focused Raid encounters.)
The only thing that really got my attention is Bastion. The thing basically has 1-2 Punch and Trench Barrel now. During some Normal Nezarec farming on Pyrogale Titan, I was second place scoring in damage numbers without using any heavy, only being outdone by the Titan using the rocket chestpiece.
Imo, there are a few things I feel would make these weapons better: - Eriana's Vow: Allow Death's Glance to stack up to 3. Gives a better reward for keeping it active rather than just having the damage buff active in the first place. Would also feel pretty good. - Deterministic Chaos: Other than magazine capacity, allow it to slightly ramp up in either speed or damage whenever you apply a unique void debuff with the weapon. - Bastion: All it needs is built-in Pugilist. It's pretty damn good otherwise. - Truth: Imo it needs better tracking, as that was always the original reason to use it before the nerf. I know it's a great general-purpose rocket launcher, but better tracking would absolutely fill a niche that is not really being filled. - The Colony: Allow spawned insectoids to generate another. In other words, your first insectoid can spawn a max of two (maybe even three) instead of just one overall. Bonus suggestion: - The Queenbreaker: I think Bungie was worried it wouldn't be picked over Euphony, but imo it is trying and failing to compete with far better Exotic options for Power weapons. It'd be a great multi-purpose Special weapon in the Energy slot. It would also occupy the unique role of a Linear in the Energy slot.
Final warning is a top 5 white ammo gun in the entire game. Damage is off the charts. Faded take from datto there. Usable in hardest content in the game without question
Personally, I'd be fine with Symmetry applying some additional bonus if you get to max revolution stacks before entering seeker mode. Jolt is the obvious choice, but considering the weapon's name and gimmick, it could be cool if it fire a second shot, with both shots mirroring each other's movement.
Surprised Datto was “meh” about it. One of the highest primary dmg guns for a while now, especially with a Strand build. The catalyst just makes it better lol.
Huge facts. Ain't no one going to tell me Final Warning is meh when that thing absolutely melts on Prismatic and Strand Warlock. I even got my buddy playing it now. It's one of those "If you know, you know" weapons.
@Way2fuzzy Final Warning + Matiodoxia for unraveling and suspending on everything is my personal favorite. But I also love Final Warning as an off pick on my Speaker build to give it another source of DPS outside of Apex and to help make up for No Hesitation not doing much damage, or when I just don't want to play Red Death.
Final Warning is the best, if not, second best primary damaging weapon outside of shooting an Outbreak on a target with max nanites. The catalyst only adds 5% damage rather than 30. Combined with threaded blast and a strand build to benefit it, and it’s like having OG warmind cell builds.
Literally me. When I first tried to use it I thought “it sounds cool but feels clunky as shit” then I realized I was using it completely wrong and it hit WAY harder under proper use!
@@pjk42293 never fully charge unless you're trying to unravel. Optimal combo for dps is (while ADSing) Mark target, release immediately following a mark, and rapidly tap the trigger for 15 total rounds (or until mark falls off), reload, repeat. For groups of ads you can use the full charge to mark multiple targets. Probably just better to mark a couple and release early if tangle is on cooldown. Hit crits while ADS This is the second strongest primary dps weapon in the game and the only strong contender that requires no setup or damage ramp up at all, while the only drawback the weapon has is range. also, you can just tap the trigger without marking. The weapon still functions like a normal sidearm. Pick your poison has a secret third option called shooting the gun like a gun
random heads up for folks interested in Tessalation. The base exotic weapon is available with TFS however you need to own the Annual Pass to get the Catalyst. I'm assuming this works like the past years where the Deluxe edition gets 1 season early access to the weapon but with a catalyst instead,
10:02 Dmt nerf got hit hard, first from 150 rpm w hipfiring and increased crit dmg with more stacks to 130 rpm hipfiring, then at x5 stacks getting that 180 rpm to not getting increased crit dmg w each stacks, to now getting increased damage on hipfiring only. Such a beast that got killed
Regarding Symmetry at 15:04 and balance - they should give the alternate firing mode Overload Rounds to we have another *primary* weapon that can deal with Overload champions intrinsically. If they did, I'd 100% use it a lot more often..
this artifact (and others like it) make tessellation a fantastic room clear, but only on Stasis, as the explosive makes the debuff - in this case slow- and this seasons artifact making stasis weapons make slow bursts when defeating slow or frozen targets. Now what this does is, Tessellation > grenade-shot > Tessellation impact slows first then possibly kills > artifact spreads and stacks slow into freeze > shatter. this single thing has about 5 different damage instances atm that domino effects stasis out, niche but cool
9:29 it’s funny cuz if something is poisoned(by the explosions, thorn, necrotic) they explode on death if killed by necrochasm, regardless if it’s a crit or not. So really you only have to get the first initial kill as a crit (unless you prime the target with necrotics first)
Datto... Expanding Abyss artifact mod is 30% dmg boost on weakened targets. Which is why Deterministic Chaos can kill the scorpion tanks in Expert Vox Obscura in less than 1 clip. It's pretty good..
I believe Eriana's needs to apply scorch at minimum, give it the bonus for matching shields sure, but shield matching has been something reduced in a lot of ways so letting it build towards an ignition in situations where it can't match would help I'm sure. I mean the real thing I'd want is for them to bring back chip damage that bypasses shields on it but you know... that's not happening.
i think deterministic chaos is better than divinity for the witness if you're wanting to run a debuff. it's void which interacts with the stronger weaken artifact perk for people running void weapons, it does higher damage than divinity since it's a machine gun, and the reserves are fucking massive for whatever reason so you won't run out of ammo ever. with actium war rig you only need to reload one time as well it's very funny. i can't say it's the BEST option but pulling it out was a great time.
I'd love to see Eriana's Vow get a buff where triggering its ignite allowed it to heavily scorch for a couple shots/the rest of the mag, refill two shots/the mag on ignition, and/or get a damage buff on ignition to make it more competitive for breaking barriers and bursting down the champion. I'm thinking along the lines of applying 35 scorch stacks per shot for 3 shots so it can ignite a second time after triggering the first, or with Ember of Char and Ember of Ashes, causing two more ignitions after popping a bubble to really shred a champion, though im unsure how appropriate that is for a special weapon. Maybe less scorch stacks on more shots but the mag is refilled after causing an ignition
It's sad that bungie CONTINUES to let Rohan's death be for nothing because his machine gun to this day still sucks. Bigger ammo reserves, bigger magazine, make every bullet volatile yknow intrinsic volatile rounds, or at the very least just a smidge more damage and maybe people will think about it again
Bastion trench shots are 112k with 4mag size it's made to demolish champs with 2 shots or 3 on others. Really nice for a fusion to go crazy like that .. But poor range.
Bastion is amazing when paired with Song of Flame. Melee>Shoot>Melee all while you have Hellion proc'd is just a bunch of ignitions and damage going out. I remember fighting Rhulk a week or two ago and was able to compete with the Still Hunt bros.
Final warning is definitely an acquired taste, but it’s an add clear monster combined with some of the best primary weapon damage in the game, only held back by its limited range. If you do want to try to get into the weapon tho, I highly recommend learning to do optimal damage without the catalyst, as the random ammo refunds will massively screw with you trying to use it for damage before you’ve gotten the timing into your muscle memory. (For those who don’t know, the optimal damage input is charging as little as possible (AFAIK 5 is as low as you can go) then tap-firing another 10 as quickly as possible before the red mark on your target goes away. There’s plenty of guides on youtube that can go into more detail than me.)
Tell me about it. Osmiomancy Swarm on the bond + Final Warning and Threadling nades and buffed Weavers Call is insane. Who needs blueberries when I can create my own teammates?
I love my warlock's Swarmer/threadling builds. I usually use Wish Keeper with hatchling for wild ad control and ability spam. I will give the Final Warning a go but how is it good with a threadling build?
@Masta_E Final with Swarmers is hilariously good imo. Since it has intrinsic unravel, you're always making tangles, which just turn into threadlings. I do think more useful on Strand as opposed to Prismatic, however. The reason is the suspending bursts on Tangles that just will allow you to unload on bulky enemies without them fighting back. Personally, I like it better on my Matiodoxia build because the sheer amount of CC between Shackle, the buffed Arcane Needle and then Tangles that all create suspend and FW spreading unravel, just makes clearing rooms a breeze most of the time since you don't really have anything fighting back.
@Masta_E I get it. I had to pry myself off Prismatic to make that build. Lol. But it was worth it. Honestly, outside of Speaker on Solar, Matiodoxia is the only other non-Prismatic build I have saved. I will suggest one other thing for that build. Should you not use Final Warning, use Better Devils with Pugilist/Hatchling if you can get your hands on one. Between Matiodoxia giving Melee energy and Pugilist doing the same, you always have your Arcane Needle charges. It's got better range and better up time, but the damage output is worse because there isn't a primary in the game keeping up with Final Warning.
For dead man's tale, we need a way to instantly activate cranial spike to 5 stacks, similar to how Monte Carlo's Markov Chain can be activated to 5 stacks upon any melee kill. Thinking about The Colony, it would be really nice to have more insectoids to spawn on kill. Maybe it should have Chain Reaction on direct hits for the catalyst, since the weapon intrinsically deals higher impact damage when fired at an enemy. It would be nice to see something on Erianna's Vow that would be rewarding after landing all precision hits, whether it be a complete magazine refill or an extra ignition on a barrier champion that has already been stunned. Maybe it could load a final high-damage round out of thin air.
Colony: Should have the spiderbots return to you if there are no enemies left, and return 1 ammo to your reserves. That way if you kill 1 enemy, and there is only 1 enemy on the field you get the ammo refunded. If you shoot 1 grenade at 2 enemies, and kill them both you gain ammo. etc.
I love final warning! It’s so good and does so much damage. It makes tangles like crazy and the fact it has intrinsic unraveling rounds is op asf. It does more damage than most rockets in the game. Heavy weapon damage on a freaking primary is insane. I just wish they made the charge time a little faster that’s my only issue with it.
Final Warning is a massive sleeper busted weapon. It's skill floor makes it seem kinda dog, but it's skill ceiling is incredibly high. Being able the half charge the weapon while still getting full damage and lock on privileges is INCREDIBLY potent, and lets you clear out small fry enemies very quickly with very little effort at all. Then whenever you DO hit something big enough to worry about? full charge, unravel, then half charge precision hit spam for free clear of whatever big enemy is in front of you. I feel it's main strength is if you enjoy continual movement in this game however. Strafe lift titan's and bouncy warlocks use this to especially good effect, being able to still get shots off and kill things while using movement to stay out of the general line of fire. But it can still dish out some of the best primary DPS in the game when used correctly on top of that, making it feel insanely good to use especially on prismatic builds that don't inherently get unraveling effects, or stuff like Arc builds (titan, it's very good on titan). If you'd prefer simplicity and 'sitting in the back of the map' gameplay, then yeah, you're gonna pass over this thing just like Datto has. But if you like moving and dodging around and getting in close with your enemy? This weapon will do WORK for you. (a reminder you can lock on to enemies then spam fire shots from around corners as well, so one can jump out, get a lock on, then get back to safety behind cover with a proper dash and still spam shots on the target you locked onto until it dies. Very amusing high skill ceiling weapon). And as a small Necrocasm side note that nobody will ever see but still, you can proc the cursed thrall explosion on body shots if the target is affected by poison. Necrotic grip or the guns own poison effect will result in an explosion if the target dies while it's on it, it makes the gun SUPER forgiving and really really fun even if you can't land crits on every kill.
You can shoot the final warning the moment the meter starts. You dont have to wait till its full. You start, than release and fire the rest of the magazin by hand. You dont get the unreval buff but the pick your poison buff that way.
It is hilarious to me that you actually just bop the Cerberus to engage Focused Fire, I thought Datto was just being cute by saying it but nope, he was literal XD
I didnt know what Tesselation's catalyst did and while I am interested to see where I can fit it in now that I do...I do really wish it was in the kinetic slot instead of energy.
I already used and liked Tessellation and Final Warning, so I just use them a bit more now. Bastion is an entirely different beast now, and quite fun for us fusion rifle enjoyers. Almost everything else? It feels like they were more focused on getting us to do a double take on the weapon rather than actually use it long-term, if that makes sense. Deterministic Chaos just makes me sad. I love Neomuna and the cloud striders, and even my sentimental ass can’t find a reason to dust it off. It NEEDS enhanced reconstruction or auto-loading. It’s exotic, It needs to be a better commemoration or nobody will ever use it.
I think that Deterministic Chaos would be pretty alright if the special shots had AoE effect. Imagine that you hit, not even kill, HIT one guy and everything around it gets volatile and weakened. And the mag increase would also be appreciated
Final warning IS one of the best weapons in the game. Especially when compared to other kinetic slot exotic primary ammo weapons. The thing can clear adds and DPS better than Outbreak all on its own.
I don’t have strong opinions about any of these, I just wanted to add Deterministic Chaos has a niche use case. One of my friends got into destiny for the first time with Final Shape, and so she doesn’t have many good damage loadouts yet, or even that much experience with damage rotations yet, and she definitely doesn’t have divinity. She’s been using deterministic chaos against Witness and other things to help support the team with 100% weaken uptime. It’s niche and divinity is better, but at least there’s a case for it for new players
The final warning did more single target dps than Outbreak (with nanites) BEFORE the catalyst. That's all that needs to be said, but the cat also made it, so you dont need to worry about some of the weird stuff you used to need to do for optimal damage.
The damage on the colony doesn’t even let it one shot a red bar hive knight in lower difficulty content. Even at ad clear it isn’t very efficient because instead of doing a straight path toward enemies, the bugs will do loops-de-loops and unnecessary detours on like walls, like a toddler coloring or google maps taking me anywhere. If they want the colony to be proficient (at all) they need to buff its reserve to around 40-50 robots, and maybe on top of granting a bonus bug on kill they could also partially refill the mag.
Bastion with Mataiodoxía gors hella hard. Arcane needle to juice up bastion, use bastion, then send out a buffed up arcane needle. Sprinkle in some melee regen and you have a devastating combo.
i have a question u where talking about hazerdous propulsion for titan for the buf on all rockets after dameging targets whit exodus rockets my question is wil it also work for grand overture rocket volley ?
Truth actually already had a 3 rocket mag, even thought it said 1. just nobody noticed because of how little use it got. the 3 rocket mag has been there for a long while now
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I would just add Tessellation has one insane combination and that’s with strand warlock on swarmers with thread of rebirth, thread of evolution and thread of generation. It ABSOLUTELY NUKES! Ads and some beefier targets in GMs and battle grounds especially with the amount of threadlings it creates its bonkas!
Only caveat is there’s no mod for fusion rifles in the artifact so things get a little dicey with certain champion combinations, but if you have good team mates who can stun it allows you to go absolutely crazy. Definitely worth trying just for the fun of it and if done right you should get a grenade back instantly almost every time.
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Final Warning : 3:10
Tesselation : 4:00
Cerberus : 5:31
NechroChasm : 8:32
Dead Mans Tale : 9:34
Deterministic Chaos : 11:22
The Colony : 13:09
Symmetry : 14:52
Truth : 15:41
Bastion : 16:50
Eriana's Vow : 19:16
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I actually watched the whole ad because of him
He makes a good point.
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0:56 That cyclops is definitely clipping that
It looks like it's teabagging lol
"...that locks on to targets" gets locked in by the cyclops and gets insta gibbed
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Queensbreaker so forgotten, it wasn't even mentioned. It did get a buff in Final Shape, increased ammo reserves by 3, and +12% damage boost against bosses, minibosses, Champions, and vehicles.
.... basically it doesn't really matter lol
Sooo has anyone tested it with the buffs or is everyone assuming it's still dog shit ? 😂
@@Gee-bg2rv Aegis tested it and it's apparently still awful :d
Imo if they really dont wanna make it a special, they could just give it dummy thicc reserves to play off the d1 fantasy of having a lfr with a ton of ammo
@@Gee-bg2rv It really doesn't help it much, 12% is just not enough to matter, and the extra ammo won't help in DPS phases.
It's decent utility in some content, but you'd be sacrificing a heavy exotic slot for it, and that would completely tank your DPS, the buffs didn't help with that issue.
They should give the slow charge mode a 30% buff, then it might be interesting, since then it could actually do some decent damage, without powercreeping Sleeper Simulant in terms of raw damage.
In the weapon tuning they did mention a future update at some point, so I hope it'll be something like that.
@@Weebfox ahh alright, disappointing, maybe with the next buffs it'll eventually get
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“Bruh”, you’re a wimp.
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Bungie is in a tough spot regarding Exotic weapons. There are so many of them now that it’s very difficult to make any of them stand out without making one ridiculously overpowered. The gradual power creep of Legendary weapons further compromises the necessity and effectiveness of Exotic weapons.
What surprises me is how cautiously Bungie buffs older Exotics that end up being barely viable even after a buff. For example, several of the weapons featured in this video.
finally a comment thats actually talking about the video and not that fucking dog lmao , every buff they gave so far to these weapons has been dogshit
basically every weapon in this video lol , none of these will be meta or used at all after these buffs unfortunately
I think these are buffs that will shine later as the sandbox develops. I bet a few of the archetypes (like DMT) will also get buffs.
I got bastion only to find out you start with no ammo
16:01 "Which was great for PvE... but it made it nearly irrelevant in PvE."
I can't tell what the hell went wrong there
Immediately recognizing the editor since the final warning perk wasn’t in blank white text, but transitioning in with editing magic
Colony not chaining while eyes of tomorrow exists strikes me as unfair
If they added in the old deconstruct generating ammo from thin air on repeated hits it'll be in a solid place.
Deterministic Chaos should get a catalyst that bumps the mag to 64 (to keep the multiples of 4 in sequence of 4>16>64) and every 4th consecutive shot landed gives a stacking 4% damage buff
Colony does endlessly chain, but there is an internal cooldown that prevents it from spawning new robots if the next kill is too close to the first. Best chain I've got so far was 5 in a row. They need to reduce that cooldown a bit to make it feel better.
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@@BahamutBreaker chances you're autistic and can't tell he's joking:
they keep deterministic chaos in the same tier as our emotions towards Rohan
Exactly. We forgot about rohan after 2 seconds as well
Deterministic Chaos still has value. It allows the person to who is debuffing to put out more damage than a div. However, do you want to make that choice is up to you since the dmg difference is so small
@@ADawnbladerPointless since using Div would allow you to use any other void machine gun
@@braydenforbes4091 the point is for more damage towards a boss. You can’t use a heavy and do div at the same time.
Still like Rohan a lot more than Nimbus
Eriannas should 100% be able to pop barriers in one hit
I agree. Either Eriana’s Vow needs a damage buff against PvE shields, Wish-Ender needs a nerf against PvE shields, or Eriana’s Vow needs to be converted to a primary ammo weapon.
I suspect that Eriana’s Vow’s potential impact in PvP is a big part of why it’s such a difficult weapon to balance.
I was using it today after a while, with warlock ignition build, I was surprised it didn't pop shield on one hit, back in collections it goes
@@BahamutBreaker def just nerf wishender. Theres no good reason for it to one shot shields. It makes arby and eriana irrelevant. Especially since you can still use an energy weapom for energy shields.
@@raygoza91cnah nerfing wish ender would obliterate it and make it useless. It has the longest draw time of any bow besides Levi, popping shields in one shot is the only thing that makes it good. The answer is to buff eriana and arby making them more relevant.
It was literally the first intrinsically barrier exotic
colony also has the issue threadlings for me have, where 2 robots will almost always go to the same target just cucking themselves
The buff to Symmetry's caty actually really feels nice on Arc due to being able to get amp'd off arc multikills. The reload and handling buffs at base are definitely noticeable; adding Eddy on top and it's legitimately shocking how much nicer the gun feels when you don't spend a season reloading it.
The way I see Truth now is it's basically an Exotic Bipod Rocket now where it doesn't get hit by a damage or Blast Radius penalty and it deals all of its damage in the AoE itself, putting it in more of being a "add-clear" rocket that can still burst champions which would probably make it good for stuff like GMs maybe.
Though I do wish it got Danger Zone as a catalyst perk, since not dying to your rockets while surrounded by adds is actually really helpful in non-boss damage focused situations. (But I'm also biased in that my favorite rocket roll is Danger Zone/Bipod for stuff like Nightfalls and Add Clear focused Raid encounters.)
The only thing that really got my attention is Bastion. The thing basically has 1-2 Punch and Trench Barrel now.
During some Normal Nezarec farming on Pyrogale Titan, I was second place scoring in damage numbers without using any heavy, only being outdone by the Titan using the rocket chestpiece.
Imo, there are a few things I feel would make these weapons better:
- Eriana's Vow: Allow Death's Glance to stack up to 3. Gives a better reward for keeping it active rather than just having the damage buff active in the first place. Would also feel pretty good.
- Deterministic Chaos: Other than magazine capacity, allow it to slightly ramp up in either speed or damage whenever you apply a unique void debuff with the weapon.
- Bastion: All it needs is built-in Pugilist. It's pretty damn good otherwise.
- Truth: Imo it needs better tracking, as that was always the original reason to use it before the nerf. I know it's a great general-purpose rocket launcher, but better tracking would absolutely fill a niche that is not really being filled.
- The Colony: Allow spawned insectoids to generate another. In other words, your first insectoid can spawn a max of two (maybe even three) instead of just one overall.
Bonus suggestion:
- The Queenbreaker: I think Bungie was worried it wouldn't be picked over Euphony, but imo it is trying and failing to compete with far better Exotic options for Power weapons. It'd be a great multi-purpose Special weapon in the Energy slot. It would also occupy the unique role of a Linear in the Energy slot.
Final warning is a top 5 white ammo gun in the entire game. Damage is off the charts. Faded take from datto there. Usable in hardest content in the game without question
From the gameplay he clearly has no idea how to use it.
Brother you’re on one, Final Warning is insane and absolutely wrecks high health enemies
Agree
Personally, I'd be fine with Symmetry applying some additional bonus if you get to max revolution stacks before entering seeker mode. Jolt is the obvious choice, but considering the weapon's name and gimmick, it could be cool if it fire a second shot, with both shots mirroring each other's movement.
Final Warning is sleeper pick. It melts any champion and is very good in PVP when you figure it out.
Every time someone gets a 3 tap with Final Warning in pvp an Angel is born
Surprised Datto was “meh” about it. One of the highest primary dmg guns for a while now, especially with a Strand build. The catalyst just makes it better lol.
@@michaelrhernandez2428he doesn’t use it enough, and his opinion is not fact at the end of the day.
interesting how no one ever mentions the piddly range it has when praising final warning... 🤔
@@CBeavr interesting how this square doesn't fit in a circular hole 🤔
Final Warning is god-tier for both Prismatic and Strand Warlock
Huge facts. Ain't no one going to tell me Final Warning is meh when that thing absolutely melts on Prismatic and Strand Warlock. I even got my buddy playing it now. It's one of those "If you know, you know" weapons.
@@Thee_Rage exactly
The key is building into it with strand effects. The gun alone with either subclass is ok until you build heavily into threadlings/tangles
@Way2fuzzy
Final Warning + Matiodoxia for unraveling and suspending on everything is my personal favorite. But I also love Final Warning as an off pick on my Speaker build to give it another source of DPS outside of Apex and to help make up for No Hesitation not doing much damage, or when I just don't want to play Red Death.
Truth.... I use it for strand titan
Brimm's sponsor is the only one i wont skip over
Literally
Final Warning is the best, if not, second best primary damaging weapon outside of shooting an Outbreak on a target with max nanites. The catalyst only adds 5% damage rather than 30. Combined with threaded blast and a strand build to benefit it, and it’s like having OG warmind cell builds.
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final warning is the most sss+ tier exotic in the game it's ridiculous. While simultaneously being b- if you don't know how to use it properly
Literally me. When I first tried to use it I thought “it sounds cool but feels clunky as shit” then I realized I was using it completely wrong and it hit WAY harder under proper use!
What’s the proper way to use it? Feels super clunky to me but maybe I’m using it incorrectly
@@pjk42293 never fully charge unless you're trying to unravel. Optimal combo for dps is (while ADSing) Mark target, release immediately following a mark, and rapidly tap the trigger for 15 total rounds (or until mark falls off), reload, repeat. For groups of ads you can use the full charge to mark multiple targets. Probably just better to mark a couple and release early if tangle is on cooldown. Hit crits while ADS
This is the second strongest primary dps weapon in the game and the only strong contender that requires no setup or damage ramp up at all, while the only drawback the weapon has is range.
also, you can just tap the trigger without marking. The weapon still functions like a normal sidearm. Pick your poison has a secret third option called shooting the gun like a gun
You worded that exotic perfectly for me
Bastion is pretty good now. All it needs is more ammo.
random heads up for folks interested in Tessalation. The base exotic weapon is available with TFS however you need to own the Annual Pass to get the Catalyst. I'm assuming this works like the past years where the Deluxe edition gets 1 season early access to the weapon but with a catalyst instead,
Colony Rework concept: make it strand, and make it shoot threadlings, the shots deal more damage if you have perched threadlings
Brim promotion jumpscare 2:02
10:02 Dmt nerf got hit hard, first from 150 rpm w hipfiring and increased crit dmg with more stacks to 130 rpm hipfiring, then at x5 stacks getting that 180 rpm to not getting increased crit dmg w each stacks, to now getting increased damage on hipfiring only. Such a beast that got killed
Keep in mind that eriana's will 1-shot barriers after the august patch with 67% damage buff to champion barriers
Regarding Symmetry at 15:04 and balance - they should give the alternate firing mode Overload Rounds to we have another *primary* weapon that can deal with Overload champions intrinsically. If they did, I'd 100% use it a lot more often..
you can use cerberus' special reload after every kill even when the buff is active to never functionally need to reload btw
this artifact (and others like it) make tessellation a fantastic room clear, but only on Stasis, as the explosive makes the debuff - in this case slow- and this seasons artifact making stasis weapons make slow bursts when defeating slow or frozen targets. Now what this does is, Tessellation > grenade-shot > Tessellation impact slows first then possibly kills > artifact spreads and stacks slow into freeze > shatter. this single thing has about 5 different damage instances atm that domino effects stasis out, niche but cool
9:29 it’s funny cuz if something is poisoned(by the explosions, thorn, necrotic) they explode on death if killed by necrochasm, regardless if it’s a crit or not. So really you only have to get the first initial kill as a crit (unless you prime the target with necrotics first)
That ad read was flawless
For me (the sidearm guy of Gambit) i really enjoy Final Warning. Such a powerhouse, so worth the risk of getting closer
Probably the single best sponsor bit to date. Nice job.
@4:48 talking about the tessellation... It also utilizes your transcended grenades, and since demolitionist, you get a lot of charged shots
That's one smart dog. I got 4 mortgages by the end of the video. Thanks, Brim!
Datto... Expanding Abyss artifact mod is 30% dmg boost on weakened targets. Which is why Deterministic Chaos can kill the scorpion tanks in Expert Vox Obscura in less than 1 clip. It's pretty good..
Didn't knew that dog was doing all those videos about destiny, nice reveal video
I believe Eriana's needs to apply scorch at minimum, give it the bonus for matching shields sure, but shield matching has been something reduced in a lot of ways so letting it build towards an ignition in situations where it can't match would help I'm sure. I mean the real thing I'd want is for them to bring back chip damage that bypasses shields on it but you know... that's not happening.
i think deterministic chaos is better than divinity for the witness if you're wanting to run a debuff. it's void which interacts with the stronger weaken artifact perk for people running void weapons, it does higher damage than divinity since it's a machine gun, and the reserves are fucking massive for whatever reason so you won't run out of ammo ever. with actium war rig you only need to reload one time as well it's very funny. i can't say it's the BEST option but pulling it out was a great time.
I'd love to see Eriana's Vow get a buff where triggering its ignite allowed it to heavily scorch for a couple shots/the rest of the mag, refill two shots/the mag on ignition, and/or get a damage buff on ignition to make it more competitive for breaking barriers and bursting down the champion. I'm thinking along the lines of applying 35 scorch stacks per shot for 3 shots so it can ignite a second time after triggering the first, or with Ember of Char and Ember of Ashes, causing two more ignitions after popping a bubble to really shred a champion, though im unsure how appropriate that is for a special weapon. Maybe less scorch stacks on more shots but the mag is refilled after causing an ignition
7:38 what i do for cerberus +1 and most weapons is getting at least 1 reloader on my gauntlet for it so it’s less slow to reload
It's sad that bungie CONTINUES to let Rohan's death be for nothing because his machine gun to this day still sucks. Bigger ammo reserves, bigger magazine, make every bullet volatile yknow intrinsic volatile rounds, or at the very least just a smidge more damage and maybe people will think about it again
Bastion trench shots are 112k with 4mag size it's made to demolish champs with 2 shots or 3 on others. Really nice for a fusion to go crazy like that .. But poor range.
I loved Bastion when it first came out and would use it way more if it had a catalyst.
Watching you miss consecrations multiple times has begun to heal my soul. Thank you Datto
So strand banner, with wishful ignorance pairs really well with bastion you'll do like 152k a swipe with it amping up per attack.
Datto has a serious talent in marketing and i hope the dog enjoyed the peanut butter. Great video as always!
Brim is such a good salesdog that i actually watched the sponsor part instead of just skipping 10/10
Bastion is amazing when paired with Song of Flame. Melee>Shoot>Melee all while you have Hellion proc'd is just a bunch of ignitions and damage going out. I remember fighting Rhulk a week or two ago and was able to compete with the Still Hunt bros.
Deterministic chaos as any other frame of weapon would be a massive improvement. Such a cool concept packed into a pants archetype
I dont care about Eriana getting more damage / break sheilds better. Make it the ignition king. Ignitions on every precision kill
Final warning is definitely an acquired taste, but it’s an add clear monster combined with some of the best primary weapon damage in the game, only held back by its limited range.
If you do want to try to get into the weapon tho, I highly recommend learning to do optimal damage without the catalyst, as the random ammo refunds will massively screw with you trying to use it for damage before you’ve gotten the timing into your muscle memory.
(For those who don’t know, the optimal damage input is charging as little as possible (AFAIK 5 is as low as you can go) then tap-firing another 10 as quickly as possible before the red mark on your target goes away. There’s plenty of guides on youtube that can go into more detail than me.)
Final warning is way good with any threadling build on warlock I absolutely adore it.
Tell me about it. Osmiomancy Swarm on the bond + Final Warning and Threadling nades and buffed Weavers Call is insane. Who needs blueberries when I can create my own teammates?
I love my warlock's Swarmer/threadling builds. I usually use Wish Keeper with hatchling for wild ad control and ability spam. I will give the Final Warning a go but how is it good with a threadling build?
@Masta_E
Final with Swarmers is hilariously good imo. Since it has intrinsic unravel, you're always making tangles, which just turn into threadlings. I do think more useful on Strand as opposed to Prismatic, however. The reason is the suspending bursts on Tangles that just will allow you to unload on bulky enemies without them fighting back. Personally, I like it better on my Matiodoxia build because the sheer amount of CC between Shackle, the buffed Arcane Needle and then Tangles that all create suspend and FW spreading unravel, just makes clearing rooms a breeze most of the time since you don't really have anything fighting back.
@@Thee_Rage oh I haven't made a build with that exotic yet because prismatic is so fun lol. I'll try that out tonight.
@Masta_E
I get it. I had to pry myself off Prismatic to make that build. Lol. But it was worth it. Honestly, outside of Speaker on Solar, Matiodoxia is the only other non-Prismatic build I have saved. I will suggest one other thing for that build. Should you not use Final Warning, use Better Devils with Pugilist/Hatchling if you can get your hands on one. Between Matiodoxia giving Melee energy and Pugilist doing the same, you always have your Arcane Needle charges. It's got better range and better up time, but the damage output is worse because there isn't a primary in the game keeping up with Final Warning.
For dead man's tale, we need a way to instantly activate cranial spike to 5 stacks, similar to how Monte Carlo's Markov Chain can be activated to 5 stacks upon any melee kill.
Thinking about The Colony, it would be really nice to have more insectoids to spawn on kill. Maybe it should have Chain Reaction on direct hits for the catalyst, since the weapon intrinsically deals higher impact damage when fired at an enemy.
It would be nice to see something on Erianna's Vow that would be rewarding after landing all precision hits, whether it be a complete magazine refill or an extra ignition on a barrier champion that has already been stunned. Maybe it could load a final high-damage round out of thin air.
16:21 'if you have no good rockets to your name" looks at Jez.
Wow that's crazy, datto's dog sounds just like datto
Dog ad might be the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while
First ad that i actually had to turn the volume up and lock in. Thank you Brim.
Final Warning 0:00
Tessellation 4:01
Cerberus+1 5:34
Necrocasm 8:33
Dead Man's Tale 9:33
Deterministic Chaos 11:23
The Colony 13:08
Symmetery 14:52
Truth 15:40
Bastion 16:48
Eriana's Vow 19:16
lmfao "hi I'm literally a dog" god damn killed me 😂
How cooked were the balancing team when they decided to give final warning a catalyst
they should have removed the gun instead fr fr
@@cleanboi9136 final warning is a good alternate primary dps option, it was used heavily in -20 pantheon.
@QuantumLight923can I kiss your cousin (and your mother?)
I am a final warning truther, it goes crazy
@QuantumLight923is this a statement or a command? 😂
“Beastmoding champions” will be my only term for melting champions from now on
"Oh yeah these weapons just dont move the needle for me even with their updates" - Datto reviewing mostly PvP exotics in PvE
Colony: Should have the spiderbots return to you if there are no enemies left, and return 1 ammo to your reserves.
That way if you kill 1 enemy, and there is only 1 enemy on the field you get the ammo refunded.
If you shoot 1 grenade at 2 enemies, and kill them both you gain ammo. etc.
I love final warning! It’s so good and does so much damage. It makes tangles like crazy and the fact it has intrinsic unraveling rounds is op asf. It does more damage than most rockets in the game.
Heavy weapon damage on a freaking primary is insane. I just wish they made the charge time a little faster that’s my only issue with it.
Final Warning is a massive sleeper busted weapon. It's skill floor makes it seem kinda dog, but it's skill ceiling is incredibly high. Being able the half charge the weapon while still getting full damage and lock on privileges is INCREDIBLY potent, and lets you clear out small fry enemies very quickly with very little effort at all. Then whenever you DO hit something big enough to worry about? full charge, unravel, then half charge precision hit spam for free clear of whatever big enemy is in front of you.
I feel it's main strength is if you enjoy continual movement in this game however. Strafe lift titan's and bouncy warlocks use this to especially good effect, being able to still get shots off and kill things while using movement to stay out of the general line of fire. But it can still dish out some of the best primary DPS in the game when used correctly on top of that, making it feel insanely good to use especially on prismatic builds that don't inherently get unraveling effects, or stuff like Arc builds (titan, it's very good on titan).
If you'd prefer simplicity and 'sitting in the back of the map' gameplay, then yeah, you're gonna pass over this thing just like Datto has. But if you like moving and dodging around and getting in close with your enemy? This weapon will do WORK for you. (a reminder you can lock on to enemies then spam fire shots from around corners as well, so one can jump out, get a lock on, then get back to safety behind cover with a proper dash and still spam shots on the target you locked onto until it dies. Very amusing high skill ceiling weapon).
And as a small Necrocasm side note that nobody will ever see but still, you can proc the cursed thrall explosion on body shots if the target is affected by poison. Necrotic grip or the guns own poison effect will result in an explosion if the target dies while it's on it, it makes the gun SUPER forgiving and really really fun even if you can't land crits on every kill.
Using your dog was genius. First time I haven’t skipped a sponsor.
You can shoot the final warning the moment the meter starts. You dont have to wait till its full. You start, than release and fire the rest of the magazin by hand. You dont get the unreval buff but the pick your poison buff that way.
Brim ad breaks are top tier. Must haves in every video, my wife now appreciates my destiny content viewing
It is hilarious to me that you actually just bop the Cerberus to engage Focused Fire, I thought Datto was just being cute by saying it but nope, he was literal XD
Bungie: buffs exotics. Guardians: hehe rocket sidearms.
I didnt know what Tesselation's catalyst did and while I am interested to see where I can fit it in now that I do...I do really wish it was in the kinetic slot instead of energy.
@dattodoesdestiny the only channel ads I actually look forward to 👍🏼
The Colony makes for a pure kino Gambit invader experience.
I already used and liked Tessellation and Final Warning, so I just use them a bit more now. Bastion is an entirely different beast now, and quite fun for us fusion rifle enjoyers. Almost everything else? It feels like they were more focused on getting us to do a double take on the weapon rather than actually use it long-term, if that makes sense. Deterministic Chaos just makes me sad. I love Neomuna and the cloud striders, and even my sentimental ass can’t find a reason to dust it off. It NEEDS enhanced reconstruction or auto-loading. It’s exotic, It needs to be a better commemoration or nobody will ever use it.
I think that Deterministic Chaos would be pretty alright if the special shots had AoE effect. Imagine that you hit, not even kill, HIT one guy and everything around it gets volatile and weakened. And the mag increase would also be appreciated
Final warning IS one of the best weapons in the game. Especially when compared to other kinetic slot exotic primary ammo weapons. The thing can clear adds and DPS better than Outbreak all on its own.
I don’t have strong opinions about any of these, I just wanted to add Deterministic Chaos has a niche use case. One of my friends got into destiny for the first time with Final Shape, and so she doesn’t have many good damage loadouts yet, or even that much experience with damage rotations yet, and she definitely doesn’t have divinity. She’s been using deterministic chaos against Witness and other things to help support the team with 100% weaken uptime. It’s niche and divinity is better, but at least there’s a case for it for new players
The only channel I stick around for the ads 😂😍
Best ad read I’ve seen on TH-cam in quite some time
The final warning did more single target dps than Outbreak (with nanites) BEFORE the catalyst.
That's all that needs to be said, but the cat also made it, so you dont need to worry about some of the weird stuff you used to need to do for optimal damage.
I think he just doesn't know how to use it and didn't do any research at all unfortunately
Final Warning is ridiculously good, it's permanently glued to my strand hunter.
there is not a single persons opinion in this game that i trust more. I have been following Datto for 10 years, the trust is real
The damage on the colony doesn’t even let it one shot a red bar hive knight in lower difficulty content. Even at ad clear it isn’t very efficient because instead of doing a straight path toward enemies, the bugs will do loops-de-loops and unnecessary detours on like walls, like a toddler coloring or google maps taking me anywhere.
If they want the colony to be proficient (at all) they need to buff its reserve to around 40-50 robots, and maybe on top of granting a bonus bug on kill they could also partially refill the mag.
Bastion with Mataiodoxía gors hella hard. Arcane needle to juice up bastion, use bastion, then send out a buffed up arcane needle. Sprinkle in some melee regen and you have a devastating combo.
If Deterministic Chaos had it so you didn’t need to be constantly laying on the trigger to get the effects it would feel so much better.
i have a question u where talking about hazerdous propulsion for titan for the buf on all rockets after dameging targets whit exodus rockets my question is wil it also work for grand overture rocket volley ?
Truth actually already had a 3 rocket mag, even thought it said 1. just nobody noticed because of how little use it got. the 3 rocket mag has been there for a long while now
Oh wow Brim sounds exactly like Datto but his sales pitch was on point. Thanks Brim, can't wait for your next Tik-Tok NPC livestream
Remember when Symmetry had intrinsic anti Champ ability but that was a big and after Bungie removed it barely anybody touched the gun.
7:19 literally every on kill effect in the game needs something like this