I once had a theory because Dust was like a fossil fuel, that it came from latent magic from the ashes of humanity. Instead of coal or oil, it was Dust. Glad to see that might be the case.
@@acgearsandarms1343 It's basically something that's "meh" when you watch it, but you realize how horrifying it really is later, when you're opening the fridge to look for a snack. There's a more detailed explanation (with examples!) on TvTropes.
@@EthanKironus8067 Thanks for explaining. But considering how long dead the original humanity was, I don’t find it disturbing much less it is a modified version of the cycle of life in real life.
Theory time: The Big Plot Twist. Something has been bothering me in regards to magic and the Brothers Grimm, and the whole fairytale basis of RWBY. It has been a recurring theme with characters lying or not giving the whole truth. (probably as a result of the writers lack of foresight, but hey.) ...How exactly do we know we can trust info coming from Jinn? ...How do we know that the Gods actually left? No good scientist would just leave an experiment unobserved, and for all the claims that the Brothers were just incompetent and childlike... Its possible, sure, but I think the more likely possibility is that they are just operating behind the scenes now. Notable points: 1- They tried being out in the open, having shrines dedicated to them, where people could just come and talk and ask for things. This ultimately led to humanity getting "greedy" and rebellious. The Gods exterminated them for this. Seems... a drastic solution, not exactly something a "good" god would just stand by and let happen. 2- The Ultimatum that the god of Light gave Oz is... vague, with brutal consequences. A classic sort of final judgement style end of the world is humanity cannot learn to exist peacefully and unite? Sorry, but Utopia through threat of force is how you get a dystopia, and that always has its fair share of rebels. How would the Gods who created humanity know so little about human nature and instinct? Or just be willing to ignore it and force humanity to bend to their will under tacit threat of extinction? 3- The Lost Fable episode seems... fake. Fabricated, but with enough of the truth so that Oz can't disprove it. (either that or his mind was messed with. we don't exactly know how reincarnation works here.) This episode is also a problem episode for many fans, as it is somewhat shallow on details and paints the Gods as... less than intelligent, shall we say. 4- So far, all the relic spirits are blue, and carry a motif of golden chains. Let that sink in for a second. These are powerful entities, being wielded and controlled and fought over by humans, effectively trapped inside inanimate objects. Sound familiar to any fairytale tropes of spirits and gods being trapped unwillingly? Golden Chains as well... gold IS a recurring theme with the God of Light. 5- Alchemy. Early on in the show, Dust and Alchemical glyphs were a common sight, even during the first episode. Those floating symbols were never explained. References to alchemic and hermeticist concepts like Aura and Elemental Energy are found all over the place, but glossed over as worldbuilding or macguffins(again, writing problems). If these were just random inclusions that stopped after the first season, perhaps I could overlook it. They didn't stop, however, and Salem even uses them to shape and control the Grimm, as we see during Volume 8. Some of the interpretations for what these inclusions could mean are... troubling. Universal death and rebirth, over and over and over. 6- Music. RWBY has always seemed like a more vibrant world through the songs written for it, giving new character insight and even lore. Some of the songs specifically around Cinder, Raven, and Salem hint at something much bigger than Salem and Oz's war going on. "Show them Gods and deities, blind and keep the people on their knees" is a direct quote from Sacrifice, as far back as Volume 2, and has been reinterpreted to be about everyone from Phyrra to Raven to Cinder to Salem. 7- Final point for now. What was the point of the "experiment" of original humanity? What did the Brothers Grimm want to learn or gain? Finally... say I'm wrong. What have they been doing all this time, away from Remnant? Started another world? in that case... ...how many times have they let this happen? Conclusion: In short, If the writers want to solve a LOT of problems, the Brother Gods simply removed themselves as factors in their experiment, and began again from behind the scenes. If the central story of RWBY is still based on The Wizard of Oz... "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". They could end up being the true villain's at the end of the series. Creators and destroyers toying with mortal lives. The "players" of the chess game. People die, new pieces are chosen, but every battle ends with either Oz or Salem dying and being reborn. They are the King pieces, not the players. In a strange way, it reminds me of the Halo theory of the Primordial and Flood's true nature, and of Destiny's Traveller and the Darkness. Both of whom happen to have been made by Bungie. RWBY was clearly setting itself up as the successor to Red vs Blue, especially when Roosterteeth started suffering financially. If Roosterteeth were planning on following in their footsteps... Perhaps this is not the first time history will repeat. "My future is your past", "all suffering is but sweetness" and all that. Or perhaps I'm overthinking things. Either way, I'm totally making a reboot-style fanfiction out of this.
This exactly. Working on a fanfic where the gods are essentilly just playing around with what they don't understand as normal people do in real life with lab rats, and expanding that to; what happens when the experiment decides it dosn't like being stuck with needles? Salem and Oz's war is more or less about how they escape the experement. One side being controle humanity to bring unity, (make the scientist happy so you get cheese,) the other being total liberation by simply fighting against the gods again. (Bite the hand that feeds and escape the lab) And humanity is stuck in the middle suffering the concequences of the two bigger rats fighting over how they "win." With other "scientists" trying to influince the work. Then there's a crochity old man who hates Salem for being a mass killing "for the greater good" psycho, disagrees with Ozpin's methods (basically the gods methods of never directly interfering which is the reason for so much suffering in their world), and blames the gods for being "Worse parrents than Oz and Salem combined." Oh how I love to watch world's burn.
Actually, Humanity didn't get Greedy or Rebellious till Salem became Immortal It was Salem that Triggered everything in the lost Fable 1- Who was in the tower that Ozma went to ? SALEM 2- Who told the Humans to attack the Gods lying saying "I stole Immortality from the gods" ? Salem 3- Who was left to roam the land after the *Great Dusting* {that's what I call it} punished with Her Immortality forever ? Salem 4- Who {Probably} gave birth to the original 4 Maidens ? Salem 5- Who is the one *Defeated* {Still pretty sure she's dead} Summer Rose many years before even Vol 1 started ? Salem And, yes the Gods are supposed to be idiots here. They gave their Creation {Technically God of Light's creation} the Humans full sentience and Will of their own, their like Robots with Hyper AI if they think they're better then their creators they Rebel That's what we know about our fellow Man in real life, we do things against the Authority or Higher Ups when we feel as if we are miss treated or deserve more. The God of Light even says it himself *"This was a very intresting experiment but we failed"* ~ God of Light {Para-phrased of course} He does call the World of Remnant an *Experiment* though. To the Gods Humanity {And later Faunus} are basically just like Robots or any other type of Science Experiment, the power of Magic in itself is an iffy thing to say when it comes to these Two Gods Even in real life Magic can be summed as *Science we know nothing about* And, Red vs Blue has nothing to do with RWBY but the idea of having Colors involved They never mention Soldiers that go to space like characters in RWBY, that's the whole Point In RWBY they have no space travel because Aura, Semblances and Dust don't work up in space. Last I checked RVB is a series taking place in space not on Earth or what would be Remnant
I think that Gods’ experiment of Remnant failed. That’s why they departed, only leaving the Relics as a one-time beacon for them to return and dispense judgement.
@@emberkryska9265 Can confirm this as this is exactly what GOL said to Ozma the first time he reincarnated……well, before he was reincarnated *"These relics when put together will summon us back……only then will humanity be judged"*
About Dust being finite: If you use up a dust crystal, what happens to it? If laws of preservation (matter cannot be destroyed) apply in RBWY as well (and seeing that magic was preserved once already), then I doubt it will be gone entirely. Most likely whenever you use up a dust crystal, the 'magic' inside somehow scatters into something so small and insignificant that it doesnt do anything anymore. But I think that over time, once this faint magical byproduct settles down somewhere -in the sea, under layers of dirt and sand etc-, it will one day compress and crystalize to become dust again. Basically how fossile fuels (vaguely) are created.
It honestly would be finite because the God's produced it to limit humanity, it was to see if they're willing to not be selfish and value what they were given, they could create more or give back magic if humanity changes, that's the reason why there's Semblance and Dust.
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What about semblances that sorta have elemental-like properties? Sure they cant pull fire or water outta thin air full on Avatar Style, but we have seen semblances that can do something similar, such as Cinder’s Scorching Caress generating heat, or Neptune’s Water Attraction allowing him to move a certain area of water? How far could a semblance go in the realm of elemental control before dust should be involved to amplify it?
Semblances can't generate the element itself but they can manipulate the element, like amplifying it or mimic some effects of it. There are semblances that generate heat or make things cold but they do so without actually generating ice or fire themselves if that makes sense
@@PhoenixNight Yeah I always thought it was something like that! My Huntsman sona (the guy in my profile pic) can manipulate water similarly to how Neptune does, albeit his is more in line with controlling the pressure of water and shaping weapons out of it (Specifically a blade), rather than attracting or pushing it away. But he always needs a large source of water to draw from, so his jacket has water dust weaved into it!
@@PhoenixNight ...Except when you say this, I can't help but think of Yang's hair catching fire, or in the fight against Mercury in the Vytal Festival, a whole line of the arena bursting into flame when she activated her semblance at the end of the fight. Was that just artistic license, or badly planned out writing, or what?
The world of remnant says something in the lines of "Dust, when in contact with the aura of humans and faunus..." Meaning maybe that the powers dust exhibit when in contact with aura, is like bringing both halves together meaning magic.
I think Ironwood's rational thinking was not working on the hard light dust shields not working when Atlas would be raised into the atmosphere because he was not focused on saving the people. Ironwood just did not want to lose. You can see it throughout the volume 8 and a little in volume 7. When Cinder said that is checkmate Ironwood's will was broken. He made dumb decisions in the battle not just because of his declining mental state, but because he just did not want to lose. It's something that I noticed about Ironwood's personality. He tries to come off as noble, but he just doesn't want to lose.
no Ironwood plan just raised into the atmosphere so dust still work you have leave atmosphere to make dust not working I think his plan is save Atlas and get Reric out of Salem frist what he have to do next he can think it later of course his plann have flaw but he not have time to think and analysis his plan like us time in v8 only 2 day and use most time in find Penny and fight Grimm to thing any thing and in his eye he don't have other choice Ruby and her friend don't have any way to save anyone and fight him so he don't trust them anymore and/or he still have to mush trust in Atlas military power that if Salem can't bring army of Grimm too he can find way to deal with her somehow
@@supattreewatanawong5025 Regardless of what his plan was, it was never for the people. Ironwood just did not want to lose to Salem. At the end of the day though, he would have lost regardless.
Yang did specifically state in Volume 8 that the Vaults were somewhere outside of Remnant and I already have a number of ideas because of that. This video is layingthe groundwork for future videos 😊
@@PhoenixNight Their semblances and dust were still working in that intermediate vault-space at the end of 8. I wonder how the rules of dust work there when it’s not on Remnant. Maybe it was directly connected to Remnant so it still worked? That might be totally different in v9 tho. I’m excited to hear your thoughts on that, this isn’t an idea I’ve heard discussed yet
@@CamTreky don't forget Dust loses it's power when it leaves remnant's atmosphere but because remnant doesn't have any magic left to keep the dust going the island 🏝️ their on has magic so the dust can still work
To be completely frank, Ironwood was already starting to lose it when he made his plans He was literally not thinking straight, so his plans would actually doom humanity not save it. Dust, Semblances and all that would shut down out of Remnant. Which would mean, Ironwood's plans would actually just make things worse Small Edit: The exception to this rule would be Crossover Fanfiction or events {Examples: Yang vs Tifa in Deathbattle, Weiss vs Mitsuru and Blake vs Mikasa}
13:40 If this actually happens in Vol 9 I actually would really like that. If semblances and perhaps aura were only able to work in Remnant this would kinda nerf everyone that fell into the island. This really could amp up the stakes if everyone couldn’t use any abilities there. Kinda gives me a Loki episode 1 feel where the Infinity Stones and all types of power didn’t work in the TVA
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If everyone's magic was the same in Era I, why or how was Salem "trapped"? If her magic being equal to her captor, she should have been able to break free/not been captured.
I think theres another place where magic, dust and semblances still work and its the dimension created by Ambrosius, and although this could be due to the portals and the connection between realms does not remove the possibility
I completely agree with Phoenix about Semblances not working outside of Remnant. In the Little Trailer where Neo attacks Ruby and uses her Semblance to turn into Penny, we don’t hear her break it before we see her again as Neo
If humanity had magic from the first era of humans, makes you wonder why not every Human and Faunus now has Aura or a Semblance. We know that every Human and Faunus has the ability to unlock their Aura, but not everybody can or want to. So it seems that only certain Humans and Faunus after being reborn from dust could activate a semblance. But this is what I think.
I think it works similarly to Quirks from My Hero Academia. Everyone can use the power, but they aren't exactly obliged to actually use it for anything other than mundane tasks unless they choose to. Even though Watts had his Aura unlocked, he didn't bother actually trying to figure out what his Semblance was.
Ironwood's plan wasn't to launch Amity (and later Atlas) into space outside the atmosphere. I think his idea was to raise them far into the upper atmosphere (in the stratosphere) and create what is known as Atmospheric satellite (a.k.a atmosat) or pseudo-satellite. It would allow him to keep using Dust, but possibly protect them from grimm attacks.
You can't put something "into space outside the atmosphere." and still expect to use Dust. It has been tried and it fails. Ironwood would have to be inside the atmosphere.
Salem or ozma crushed a nevermore with telekinesis My guess is that magic could replicate a semblance Just as dust boosted semblance could look like magic Also I dont think that magic was restricted to the atmosphere but the part that allowed it to function outside of is was taken by the humans
1. Ironwood probably was going to design whatever so it can launch Atlas into the atmosphere AND keep the population alive 2. The dust was probably supposed to just launch Amity, they probably discovered how to make a non-dust reliant satellite 3. You didn't what Salem did to the Nevermore and her and Ozma flying in the lost fables
I have one theory about the relic of choice. I remember that Ozpin said that he made the relic of choice, the crown, a little more difficult to find compared to the other relics. Could it be that the crown was take apart and that the those who seek the crown need to find the pieces that make up the crown?
here is what I think Ironwood's thought process was when he lost it & decided to take Atlas to space "maybe since dust cant work if it leaves Remnant it might work if we bring a piece of Remnant with us"
Vol 7, Ep 7- Ironwood: ...Get a communications' tower up in *the sky* , higher than the Grimm can survive. I read this as Atlas has tried this and knows how high Grimm can fly. All they have to do is get atlas higher than that point, which is still lower than "space"/still able to have Dust, semblances and Magic work.
@@dragonrune6800 The problem with this is how would Atlas even know the litmis grimm can fly at, or if this little sweet spot between space and out of salems reach is actually obtainable, if the Amity tower is the first thing they've tried putting into space for god knows how long. And that goes double for Atlas. Sure they solved the fuel problem with the relic, but as for dust I think they finally figured out Dust requres an oxidizer to work, hence the mention of Atlas having an artaficial climate via hard light shields, but this is never expleained so it feels hollow. Secondarilly, Monstra uses gravity dust to fly, and if anyone could figure out how to make dust work near space it's salem, seeing as she's been around since it came into being. Thirdly, after the Atlas hard light shields were destroyed/ the second Atlas got invaded, it was game over for Atlas. No shields means no containment of atmosphere means no air for your people. Grimm and grimm sludge is now in Atlas with you, so even if you got up to the edhge of space, you could be screwed by a suden influx of grimm that seeaped into the tunnels of Atlas. More to the point, by simply abandoning Remnant and taking the staff with you is not a victory, it's a stalmate, and it will be broken eventually. Again, all it would take to bring Atlas out of the sky is a little bit of time. If Salem get's the sword of destruction, there's litterally no way to know if she'd be able to simply crack Atlas in half and watch it fall. Ironwood after Atlas got invaded, procecded to keep lossing his mind, and instead of acctually thinking about the end game was so wrapped up in simply winning the battle against Salem then and there that he was doomed to lose the war, like the US in Vietnam and Afganistan. Salem is wrong, there is victory in stregth, but it's how you use it that determins a victory. Ironwood really should have read The Art of War, if he did he would have known how to attack Salem when she first got spotted coming into Atlas Airspace. Like really, The enemy's general is on the flagship, accompanied by the entire navy, who's in range of your deffences, while they are currently unable to attack you. This is a Navel comander's wet dream. Project the fighting as far away from the homefront as possible. Destroy the smaller ships, isolating the flagship. Kill or capture the enemy leader.
@@thebanditman5663 Nice dissertation. All I will talk to is lifting up atlas. You had asked how they might already know the limits Grimm can fly. Atlas has military flying ships. They probably [at some earlier time] captured a manticore or some other flying Grimm and had it chase a ship. Whenever the Grimm stopped following the ship, that is the highest they can go. With Ironwood's wording, it's safe to say that there is a limit within the atmosphere that is breathable. Food and water can be stored. Still a waiting game.
@@dragonrune6800 I don't think you really understand the physics behind what I'm reffering too, nor the lack of research RT did for this arc. For one, a country with next to no spacefairing history dosn't on a whim figure out the math to launch a stadium into space in a few weeks, nor would they figure out how to create a nuke in about two days. The limit to how high an atmosphere is brethable for people is 20,000 feet, and higher and you need speciel equiptment or evolution. Assuming the grimm can not breath past this, also means that dust would stop working at about that hight without some form of artaficial atmosphere to burn it in like with Amity, or jet engiens, of which we've not seen once. (please point out to me a single instance of an aircraft in RWBY that has air intakes) so there's no way Atlas took an aircraft higher than what grimm can "survive" to test this, and more to the point birds on earth have been spotted as high as 37,000 feet. After Atlas lost it's shields it's already floating at an altitude nearly that of the highest city in america at well over 10,000 feet, and people that go there need to be aclamated first. Raising it any higher after the shields are gone would likelly start dropping bodies. More to the point, even if Atlas was to fix the shields, fly away, clear all the grimm they have, and stablize their food production they will evenualy run out of dust, minable metal, stone, and other necessities found in the ground. There's a reason the City of Mannhatten has to import so much shit, Atlas cutting itself off from the rest of the world only makes that worse. And that's again ignoring the fact that we've already seen Salem make grimm do imposible shit. The amount of energy requred to make the monstra fly with gravity dust alone is absurd, and if all it takes is a little bit of an oxydizer to have dust function at altitude the whale's, you know, able to hold a fuck load of air in it's lungs, by that point, it's a matter of just breaking the shields of Atlas again and everyone dies as the air gets sucked out from depressurization. Ironwood lost his damn mind after the invasion started, and was litterally going to get everyone killed either way.
let's be glad that Ironwood's so called plan, didn't get everyone on that floating rock killed, cause you'd think he would've been smart enough to know the fact that Dust wouldn't work outside of Remnant's atmosphere.
This may be late and unrelated to the video but I had a fantastic for 2 semblances I don't have names yet but they are -The ability to copy any other semblance that the user sees as long as they know how it works there is no limit to how many can be copied at once the person may need an perfect memory also they may deduce how the semblance copied is instead of be told -The ability to remove another's aura without their knowledge the one with the semblance has their aura increased by the aura removed along side an increase in their strength and speed basically use another's aura as a battery not use full against grimm but against people deadly Well those are my semblance ideas tell me what you think. note the second one does not deplete ones aura it removes the defensive aura around someone basically removing ones defense against attacks but the strain on the aura one has is not affected.
People don't seem to be seeing the answer that's been staring them right in the face this entire time. What are Semblances? They are a Semblance of the Magic/Power that Humans used to have.
This got me asking: what exactly would happen if Dust were to be consumed or metabolized by microbes, plants or animals? Specifically regarding the fact that Dust contains traces of human essence.
Listening to this, my thought is about Ozpin. Magic is tied to the soul, so anyone that Ozma's soul binds to will have magic as well. His soul was placed in the second coming of man, and each like minded soul he binds with in theory will have their own semblance. If they too, due to their souls being bound together, are reincarnated with Ozma, does that mean Ozma had a stockpile of semblances in his backpocket? And if that's the case, why does he not use his semblance more often because, with magic, semblance is something he can wield that Salem can not.
OK this whole vid has me thinking. What if Salem and Ozma's ultimate goal is elevate humanity to where it has the ability, resources and technology to eventually travel beyond Remnant. Just the way each wants to accomplish such a thing are different. If Salem summons the gods with the relics, her goal could be to challenge the brothers and take their powers from them (she is like only person other than Ozma who has magic and think she could do a better job than the gods), then use it to create a new world and a new wave of humans uninhibited by the flaws of the past and current humans. Either that, or she just wants to die, but Salem probably don't care which outcome she gets. While if Ozma had his way, the god of light could reward humanity with the ability to travel beyond the stars as a result of sorting out its differences and stand as a whole.
You know, the god of light really should've taken away Salem's magic before he and his brother left. I don't know what they were thinking with allowing a magic wielding immortal running around causing havoc to their continuing experiment.
@@acgearsandarms1343 So much for keeping the balance, didn't the brothers stop to think that making Salem immortal might actually destroy that balance.
@@goddesssalem4842 Looking at it from a narrative perspective, consider that humanity itself has failed. It’s been given a second chance to overcome their worst instincts to prove they deserve to live. Here’s the thing about humanism. Not even gods can predict how good or bad humanity can be. It’s a common thing across many myths and religions in history. At this point, it’s pity. The balance was broken so there should be no point in restoring it. The God of Light took pity so devised a way to prove they can salvage something from the mess made. You should know punishment dealt by deities are always harsh. To be honest, destroying only humanity and letting them be reborn again is pretty light. They could have done far worse had Salem rallied more people. That’s why I don’t really blame them for the punishment chosen. It’s the consequences of that punishment that people have an issue with. And to be fair, it’s a cruel consequence. But who do you truly blame? The gunmaker, the one who made the bullet, or the one who pulled the trigger? Many guilty parties involved in Salem’s saga, but ultimately the Gods were only responsible for what came before, not after. They gave her an easy out: Learn to let go. Had Salem tried and not given into her worse instincts, she would have been freed long ago. It’s humanity that perpetuated the broken world. They who broke the balance. Sad fact of any world real or fictional, people are just that bad.
@@acgearsandarms1343 Well it completely backfired, because Salem used that very immortality to turn the people against the brothers. Also I find these brothers very hypocritical , they also broke the balance a second time when they resurrected Ozma, the very request that Salem asked for in the first place. Yes the gods are very harsh, they seem to break the rules when it suits them. They preach balance but inflicted collective punishment on the whole of humanity for the so called crimes of a handful of people. I don't know why the people of remnant would want the brothers back, all it takes is one person to annoy them and the brothers will through another temper tantrum and wipe out humanity again.. Foolish brothers who act more like children than deities
@@goddesssalem4842 Crimes of a handful of people with the backing of entire nations and kingdoms. I don’t agree with what the God of Darkness did, but it was done. It sometimes takes just one person to save or condemn a race. Human morality isn’t a thing. Morality is of different standards to gods. I don’t bother trying to put them to human standards unless it can be applied. In this case, only some of those standards could be applied.
So I think a good way of thinking of the two different species of humanity is one the original species being called high human's as they were much more powerful then a current human.
Then, if dust stops working outside of remnant, would semblances stop working too? Or would it still work since it's part human part magic? I'm wondering because team rwby is not on remnant anymore in volume 9
Ironwood did say that there was no sacrifice he wouldn't make, both in the show and in "Hero". So he would be more than willing and eager to try any of Phoenix' theories here. The man would literally do anything, any 👏 thing 👏, if he thought for one second there was any chance in hell it would stop Salem.
Since the lost fairy tale I always thought; a chunk of the moon falling down to the planet will vaporize anything near the impact zone reducing it to dust... Many animals must have met their end that day and their dust mixed with some of that from humanity. This would also explain why there are less faunus than humans. Humanity's dust was everywhere while the mixed dust was only near the impact zones of the moon chunks.
For ironwpod's plan he might have meant 300-500 miles above remnant and not out of the exosphere,we simply don't know the technicalities of space for the writers,they probably mean past the exosphere is where dust stops working
Given that that would also be enhancing his semblance, I think it would be a positive feedback loop of his semblance enhancing his semblance, enhancing his semblance (and so on forever), that would make him nigh invincible.
My theory on theory on this is magic requires no substance and no taxation while semblances require taxation in the form of auras and dust requires a physical form.(don’t know if you said this in the vid but I’ve been holding this in my back pocket for a vid just like this
I know this is a couple years old but i have a question. If you had a dust crystal could you use your aura to fuel the dust and have the dust be used as a medium to transmute your aura into the element and cast magic? The magic you use would be limited to the dust you have and your aura but is this possible in RWBY?
Excellent point. Their semblances were definitely working in that space and it certainly wasn’t on Remnant. Actually, come to think of it the dust was working too hmmmmm ???
@Phoenix/Night With the relation between semblance, dust and magic what does that make Jaune's amplifying aura ability because I don't remember them saying that was his semblance.
Maybe the God of Light has helped Jaune but not having him realize it? I mean he is the God of Light afterall and did the impossible, it's possible they can see the world but not completely.
Hey Phoenix there is this fanfiction called Remnant of the Key a Rwby x kingdom hearts crossover and it’s really good currently Studiofandom the creator of that fanfic is looking for voice actors and more supporters.
I wonder: With Ozmar/Ozpin reincarnating in Oscar, will Oscar still get a semblance? As far as I remember Ozpins and Oscars soul are merging together. Ozpin - as someone from the first aera of humanity - doen't have any semblance, right? But Oscar normally could develope one. Now with the semblance connected to the souls and their souls merging together what would happen? Can Oscar still develope a semblance before they fully merge or maybe even after? And if Oscar would develope a semblance before the two souls fully merge would that mean they could use both (semblance and magic) afterwards? Thinking about it, I don't assume that's the case. Because if it were, woudn't Ozmar "collect" a semblances with any (or at least some) reincarnations he is going through? (Assuming when he dies the whole merged soul reincarnates and not just Ozmars original one) And I can't recall ozpin using any semblance. (btw: not nativ so sry for my english😅) What do you think about it?
Based on what Oz has said regarding Oscar's semblance (whatever it is), he will have one. Just because we haven't been given info on Ozpin's semblance doesn't mean he didn't have one (many theorize time related). Ozpin said that "Oscar will need to strengthen his body and his aura" and he confirms that they must find his semblance. Most theorize that every reincarnation has a new semblance. Magic should still be available because it is an Ozma trait, not an exclusively Ozpin trait. Oscar will have his own semblance. Many theories are light related, dream related, soul swapping, and time. I would suggest rewatching volume 5 for any info on Oscar and Ozpin regarding their mention of semblance.
just thought of something if Dust is finite when it runs out then does that mean that the world of Remnant will follow Darwin's theory of evolution: only the strong survive? (ie.: those people who have semblances?
You are mistaking raising Amity above flying grimm and out of the atmosphere alltogether. Pietro and Maria were still fine after all. Atlas, if hermetically sealed, could be raised even into Orbit by the Scepter, since it isn’t Dust, but relic magic.
I love Jellos video poking fun about semblances and dust Edit: also, I made a bet with my friends back during v2 that dust was ancient humans, not quite what I had in mind when I thought "ancient humans" but the look on their faces was fantastic
"Magic can't recreate what Semblances do." I would need a little elaboration on that. I get that Dust is all elemental properties and Semblances can only manipulate something like these at most, not straight up create elements like Dust can, but with magic being wholly separate from Semblances I am not sure about. Case in point here would be Qrow and Raven, who we know got their 'Magic' from Ozpin, and their power now is to turn into birds. Now, I would argue that this is awfully similar to Ruby turning into rose petals and zooming about, with that being her Semblance. Don't get me wrong, I would love for magic and Semblances to actually be something completely separate, and in some ways they are, like how, again, Semblances can't create elemental powers, but magic definitely can, but magic is so vaguely defined that, honestly, anything is possible. I mean, magic can create elemental... everything - projectiles, beams, shields, weapons - but it can also allow for bird shapeshifting and... wireframes..? Maybe the point of magic is being this omnipotent, all-powerful force that allowed humans of the first era to do anything, that now only the most powerful people, like Ozpin, Salem and the Maidens, can wield. But straight up saying "Magic can't recreate what Semblances do" is a little unfounded, or not explained well enough for my taste.
Team RWBY, Jaune and Neo now at another world. If your theory about semblance could only be used on remnant is true, they all couldn't uses their semblance in another world.
Hope he can make another Summer Rose theory about her being trapped in the V9 world so people can lose their shit once again. But like always, keep up the good RWBY videos Phoenix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to know the relation of Dust, Semblances and Magic now.
Well, if semblances only works on Remnant, that would mean that Rwby, Jaune, and Neo, would´t be able to use their semblances in the Wonderland (Unless wonderland is in fact still Remnant...but maybe not the Remnant that we know...) that would be interesting and dangerous
Regarding Semblances and elements, we have seen Semblances with those aspects (Yang, Neptune, Nora). I don't think it's a stretch to think elemental Semblances exist, though possibly rare. Maybe we'll see another fake Maiden take advantage of this.
None of those semblances actually produce elemental effects. Yangs semblance is about power augmentation, her hair looks like it is on fire but her semblance has nothing to do with fire. Neptune's semblance does not produce water, only controls and manipulates water. Noras semblance uses electricity to increase her strength, she does not produce electricity. Semblances can manipulate elements but cannot produce the elements themselves, only Dust has been shown to do that
I know this isn't related to the video but i'm gonna ask a question thats been on my mind for a while. What would happen if two people with heredetary semblances have a child? Would the child have one of the two semblances? Or would the child have a sort of hybrid of the two? Example: Lets say the father has a fire semblance and the mother has an ice semblance and both are heredetary semblances, would the child have one of them or a hybrid semblance (producing both fire and ice) Edit: liked the vid
We don't have an answer to that unfortunately. The only hereditary semblance we have seen in 8 seasons of the show thus far is Glyphs used by the Schnee family, that leads me to believe they are incredibly rare (or that the Schnee family has the only 100% hereditary semblance and there is something else going on related to magic, etc.) But hypothetically, a semblance could be a combination of two hereditary semblances or it could work like genetics where the "dominant" semblance genes are the ones the child has. Interesting question to think about
If you could only have one (dust, a semblance, or activated aura), which would it be? I’d go for a robust aura myself. Because my connective tissue isn’t particularly hardy and I’m getting older, so I’m vulnerable to sprains, strains, and tendinitis. Which is a massive source of frustration when you want to be physically active!
it makes sense how semblances could be very similar Yet still different. yang and Adam have the same semblance, with the difference that Adam didn't need to get Hit to generate the powerfull attack of his semblance. yang HAS to take damage to increase her power. i don't think i seen much other semblance similarities... other the nadam and yang. and Qrow and clover
spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen the last episode of season 8 so if a semblance can't work outside of Remnant then Ruby & the others that fell won't be able to use them for as long as they're in this new world or what ever it is
@@dragonrune6800 well word would you describe it?, remember what Phoenix/Knight said on this video?, about the people born from dust, or something, the magic never left Remnant, the magic had been crystalized in multiple colors representing magical elements?, so therefore, I call Dust fossilized magic.
@@pauljordan0203 Ok, but my question stands. Other than the visual manifestation, what is Magic? Quantify it for me. What about Magic is physical? You can't fossilize aether or plasma or other gasses.
@@dragonrune6800 well I call what I see when I watch shows like RWBY, magic is mystical energy that everyone harnesses in fantasy genre's, that's all I've ever known, if I called Dust as fossilized magic, I call it fossilized magic, so deal with it.
I once had a theory because Dust was like a fossil fuel, that it came from latent magic from the ashes of humanity. Instead of coal or oil, it was Dust. Glad to see that might be the case.
That honestly makes it a serious case of Fridge Horror.
@@EthanKironus8067 I’m unfamiliar with that term.
@@acgearsandarms1343 It's basically something that's "meh" when you watch it, but you realize how horrifying it really is later, when you're opening the fridge to look for a snack. There's a more detailed explanation (with examples!) on TvTropes.
@@EthanKironus8067 Thanks for explaining. But considering how long dead the original humanity was, I don’t find it disturbing much less it is a modified version of the cycle of life in real life.
It makes me wonder if Dust has any adverse effects on the environment?
Theory time:
The Big Plot Twist.
Something has been bothering me in regards to magic and the Brothers Grimm, and the whole fairytale basis of RWBY.
It has been a recurring theme with characters lying or not giving the whole truth. (probably as a result of the writers lack of foresight, but hey.)
...How exactly do we know we can trust info coming from Jinn?
...How do we know that the Gods actually left?
No good scientist would just leave an experiment unobserved, and for all the claims that the Brothers were just incompetent and childlike...
Its possible, sure, but I think the more likely possibility is that they are just operating behind the scenes now.
Notable points:
1- They tried being out in the open, having shrines dedicated to them, where people could just come and talk and ask for things. This ultimately led to humanity getting "greedy" and rebellious. The Gods exterminated them for this. Seems... a drastic solution, not exactly something a "good" god would just stand by and let happen.
2- The Ultimatum that the god of Light gave Oz is... vague, with brutal consequences. A classic sort of final judgement style end of the world is humanity cannot learn to exist peacefully and unite? Sorry, but Utopia through threat of force is how you get a dystopia, and that always has its fair share of rebels. How would the Gods who created humanity know so little about human nature and instinct? Or just be willing to ignore it and force humanity to bend to their will under tacit threat of extinction?
3- The Lost Fable episode seems... fake. Fabricated, but with enough of the truth so that Oz can't disprove it. (either that or his mind was messed with. we don't exactly know how reincarnation works here.) This episode is also a problem episode for many fans, as it is somewhat shallow on details and paints the Gods as... less than intelligent, shall we say.
4- So far, all the relic spirits are blue, and carry a motif of golden chains. Let that sink in for a second.
These are powerful entities, being wielded and controlled and fought over by humans, effectively trapped inside inanimate objects. Sound familiar to any fairytale tropes of spirits and gods being trapped unwillingly? Golden Chains as well... gold IS a recurring theme with the God of Light.
5- Alchemy. Early on in the show, Dust and Alchemical glyphs were a common sight, even during the first episode. Those floating symbols were never explained. References to alchemic and hermeticist concepts like Aura and Elemental Energy are found all over the place, but glossed over as worldbuilding or macguffins(again, writing problems). If these were just random inclusions that stopped after the first season, perhaps I could overlook it. They didn't stop, however, and Salem even uses them to shape and control the Grimm, as we see during Volume 8.
Some of the interpretations for what these inclusions could mean are... troubling. Universal death and rebirth, over and over and over.
6- Music. RWBY has always seemed like a more vibrant world through the songs written for it, giving new character insight and even lore. Some of the songs specifically around Cinder, Raven, and Salem hint at something much bigger than Salem and Oz's war going on. "Show them Gods and deities, blind and keep the people on their knees" is a direct quote from Sacrifice, as far back as Volume 2, and has been reinterpreted to be about everyone from Phyrra to Raven to Cinder to Salem.
7- Final point for now.
What was the point of the "experiment" of original humanity? What did the Brothers Grimm want to learn or gain?
Finally... say I'm wrong. What have they been doing all this time, away from Remnant? Started another world? in that case...
...how many times have they let this happen?
Conclusion:
In short, If the writers want to solve a LOT of problems, the Brother Gods simply removed themselves as factors in their experiment, and began again from behind the scenes. If the central story of RWBY is still based on The Wizard of Oz... "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".
They could end up being the true villain's at the end of the series. Creators and destroyers toying with mortal lives. The "players" of the chess game. People die, new pieces are chosen, but every battle ends with either Oz or Salem dying and being reborn. They are the King pieces, not the players.
In a strange way, it reminds me of the Halo theory of the Primordial and Flood's true nature, and of Destiny's Traveller and the Darkness.
Both of whom happen to have been made by Bungie.
RWBY was clearly setting itself up as the successor to Red vs Blue, especially when Roosterteeth started suffering financially.
If Roosterteeth were planning on following in their footsteps...
Perhaps this is not the first time history will repeat. "My future is your past", "all suffering is but sweetness" and all that.
Or perhaps I'm overthinking things.
Either way, I'm totally making a reboot-style fanfiction out of this.
This exactly. Working on a fanfic where the gods are essentilly just playing around with what they don't understand as normal people do in real life with lab rats, and expanding that to; what happens when the experiment decides it dosn't like being stuck with needles? Salem and Oz's war is more or less about how they escape the experement. One side being controle humanity to bring unity, (make the scientist happy so you get cheese,) the other being total liberation by simply fighting against the gods again. (Bite the hand that feeds and escape the lab) And humanity is stuck in the middle suffering the concequences of the two bigger rats fighting over how they "win." With other "scientists" trying to influince the work.
Then there's a crochity old man who hates Salem for being a mass killing "for the greater good" psycho, disagrees with Ozpin's methods (basically the gods methods of never directly interfering which is the reason for so much suffering in their world), and blames the gods for being "Worse parrents than Oz and Salem combined." Oh how I love to watch world's burn.
Actually, Humanity didn't get Greedy or Rebellious till Salem became Immortal
It was Salem that Triggered everything in the lost Fable
1- Who was in the tower that Ozma went to ? SALEM
2- Who told the Humans to attack the Gods lying saying "I stole Immortality from the gods" ? Salem
3- Who was left to roam the land after the *Great Dusting* {that's what I call it} punished with Her Immortality forever ? Salem
4- Who {Probably} gave birth to the original 4 Maidens ? Salem
5- Who is the one *Defeated* {Still pretty sure she's dead} Summer Rose many years before even Vol 1 started ? Salem
And, yes the Gods are supposed to be idiots here. They gave their Creation {Technically God of Light's creation} the Humans full sentience and Will of their own, their like Robots with Hyper AI if they think they're better then their creators they Rebel
That's what we know about our fellow Man in real life, we do things against the Authority or Higher Ups when we feel as if we are miss treated or deserve more.
The God of Light even says it himself
*"This was a very intresting experiment but we failed"* ~ God of Light {Para-phrased of course}
He does call the World of Remnant an *Experiment* though. To the Gods Humanity {And later Faunus} are basically just like Robots or any other type of Science Experiment, the power of Magic in itself is an iffy thing to say when it comes to these Two Gods
Even in real life Magic can be summed as *Science we know nothing about*
And, Red vs Blue has nothing to do with RWBY but the idea of having Colors involved
They never mention Soldiers that go to space like characters in RWBY, that's the whole Point
In RWBY they have no space travel because Aura, Semblances and Dust don't work up in space. Last I checked RVB is a series taking place in space not on Earth or what would be Remnant
Fabricated?! You’ve got a lot of nerve just by saying that…
I think that Gods’ experiment of Remnant failed. That’s why they departed, only leaving the Relics as a one-time beacon for them to return and dispense judgement.
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Can confirm this as this is exactly what GOL said to Ozma the first time he reincarnated……well, before he was reincarnated
*"These relics when put together will summon us back……only then will humanity be judged"*
About Dust being finite:
If you use up a dust crystal, what happens to it? If laws of preservation (matter cannot be destroyed) apply in RBWY as well (and seeing that magic was preserved once already), then I doubt it will be gone entirely.
Most likely whenever you use up a dust crystal, the 'magic' inside somehow scatters into something so small and insignificant that it doesnt do anything anymore.
But I think that over time, once this faint magical byproduct settles down somewhere -in the sea, under layers of dirt and sand etc-, it will one day compress and crystalize to become dust again. Basically how fossile fuels (vaguely) are created.
Excellent point! That is very likely how it will work, though it probably won't be mentioned in the show
It could be finite if, by the processes of fusion, fission or something like that, the dust crystals are converted to pure magic energy.
It honestly would be finite because the God's produced it to limit humanity, it was to see if they're willing to not be selfish and value what they were given, they could create more or give back magic if humanity changes, that's the reason why there's Semblance and Dust.
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What about semblances that sorta have elemental-like properties? Sure they cant pull fire or water outta thin air full on Avatar Style, but we have seen semblances that can do something similar, such as Cinder’s Scorching Caress generating heat, or Neptune’s Water Attraction allowing him to move a certain area of water?
How far could a semblance go in the realm of elemental control before dust should be involved to amplify it?
Semblances can't generate the element itself but they can manipulate the element, like amplifying it or mimic some effects of it. There are semblances that generate heat or make things cold but they do so without actually generating ice or fire themselves if that makes sense
@@PhoenixNight Yeah I always thought it was something like that! My Huntsman sona (the guy in my profile pic) can manipulate water similarly to how Neptune does, albeit his is more in line with controlling the pressure of water and shaping weapons out of it (Specifically a blade), rather than attracting or pushing it away. But he always needs a large source of water to draw from, so his jacket has water dust weaved into it!
@@PhoenixNight ...Except when you say this, I can't help but think of Yang's hair catching fire, or in the fight against Mercury in the Vytal Festival, a whole line of the arena bursting into flame when she activated her semblance at the end of the fight. Was that just artistic license, or badly planned out writing, or what?
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The world of remnant says something in the lines of "Dust, when in contact with the aura of humans and faunus..." Meaning maybe that the powers dust exhibit when in contact with aura, is like bringing both halves together meaning magic.
I think Ironwood's rational thinking was not working on the hard light dust shields not working when Atlas would be raised into the atmosphere because he was not focused on saving the people. Ironwood just did not want to lose. You can see it throughout the volume 8 and a little in volume 7. When Cinder said that is checkmate Ironwood's will was broken. He made dumb decisions in the battle not just because of his declining mental state, but because he just did not want to lose. It's something that I noticed about Ironwood's personality. He tries to come off as noble, but he just doesn't want to lose.
no Ironwood plan just raised into the atmosphere so dust still work you have leave atmosphere to make dust not working
I think his plan is save Atlas and get Reric out of Salem frist what he have to do next he can think it later of course his plann have flaw but he not have time to think and analysis his plan like us time in v8 only 2 day and use most time in find Penny and fight Grimm to thing any thing and in his eye he don't have other choice Ruby and her friend don't have any way to save anyone and fight him so he don't trust them anymore and/or he still have to mush trust in Atlas military power that if Salem can't bring army of Grimm too he can find way to deal with her somehow
@@supattreewatanawong5025 Regardless of what his plan was, it was never for the people. Ironwood just did not want to lose to Salem. At the end of the day though, he would have lost regardless.
Think vol 9 could be interesting: is the realm they fell into considered part of Remnant? If not, do semblances work there?
Yang did specifically state in Volume 8 that the Vaults were somewhere outside of Remnant and I already have a number of ideas because of that. This video is layingthe groundwork for future videos 😊
@@PhoenixNight Their semblances and dust were still working in that intermediate vault-space at the end of 8. I wonder how the rules of dust work there when it’s not on Remnant. Maybe it was directly connected to Remnant so it still worked? That might be totally different in v9 tho. I’m excited to hear your thoughts on that, this isn’t an idea I’ve heard discussed yet
@@CamTreky don't forget Dust loses it's power when it leaves remnant's atmosphere but because remnant doesn't have any magic left to keep the dust going the island 🏝️ their on has magic so the dust can still work
@@PhoenixNight maybe their semblances get a power boost in the island all thought Neo doesn’t need semblance Evolution
Has anyone else ever thought that the way they measured others aura, like an aura bar kinda thing, is somewhat similar to an MP bar?
To be completely frank, Ironwood was already starting to lose it when he made his plans
He was literally not thinking straight, so his plans would actually doom humanity not save it.
Dust, Semblances and all that would shut down out of Remnant. Which would mean, Ironwood's plans would actually just make things worse
Small Edit: The exception to this rule would be Crossover Fanfiction or events {Examples: Yang vs Tifa in Deathbattle, Weiss vs Mitsuru and Blake vs Mikasa}
I'd like to think that the Gods created the Faunus just to make Ozma's job that much harder.
lets be real. if it werent faunus they'd find some other reason to divide.
So happy to see that Phoenix is back with RWBY content. Curse my WiFi for not working and preventing my watching of this video!
13:40 If this actually happens in Vol 9 I actually would really like that. If semblances and perhaps aura were only able to work in Remnant this would kinda nerf everyone that fell into the island. This really could amp up the stakes if everyone couldn’t use any abilities there. Kinda gives me a Loki episode 1 feel where the Infinity Stones and all types of power didn’t work in the TVA
I believe Ironwood was only going to keep Atlas/the CCT just on the edge of the earth's atmosphere.
Hey Phoenix love your videos thank you for always putting out great content! Always look forward to each upload :)
Thank you so much for the kind words of support! It means a lot that you find my videos entertaining, I'll be sure to keep putting them out whenever I am able to 😊
another well thought out vid phoenix
Love these theories keep up you doing amazing
Thank you for the kind words! I really appreciate it!
Faunus came about by, from what I assume, another god, by merging animals and humans that we're fighting
Ah, Sera in the end card is amazing^^! ...brain once again wondering when we get the awesome break down of the other two members
If everyone's magic was the same in Era I, why or how was Salem "trapped"? If her magic being equal to her captor, she should have been able to break free/not been captured.
6:31 "After they were dusted by the gods". I see what you did there, Thanos.
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I think theres another place where magic, dust and semblances still work and its the dimension created by Ambrosius, and although this could be due to the portals and the connection between realms does not remove the possibility
I completely agree with Phoenix about Semblances not working outside of Remnant. In the Little Trailer where Neo attacks Ruby and uses her Semblance to turn into Penny, we don’t hear her break it before we see her again as Neo
If humanity had magic from the first era of humans, makes you wonder why not every Human and Faunus now has Aura or a Semblance. We know that every Human and Faunus has the ability to unlock their Aura, but not everybody can or want to. So it seems that only certain Humans and Faunus after being reborn from dust could activate a semblance. But this is what I think.
I think it works similarly to Quirks from My Hero Academia. Everyone can use the power, but they aren't exactly obliged to actually use it for anything other than mundane tasks unless they choose to. Even though Watts had his Aura unlocked, he didn't bother actually trying to figure out what his Semblance was.
The explanation was pretty good. Almost all of it is based just on what was explicitly stated as canon, so it's solid.
Thank you for this video!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Ironwood's plan wasn't to launch Amity (and later Atlas) into space outside the atmosphere. I think his idea was to raise them far into the upper atmosphere (in the stratosphere) and create what is known as Atmospheric satellite (a.k.a atmosat) or pseudo-satellite. It would allow him to keep using Dust, but possibly protect them from grimm attacks.
You can't put something "into space outside the atmosphere." and still expect to use Dust. It has been tried and it fails. Ironwood would have to be inside the atmosphere.
Salem or ozma crushed a nevermore with telekinesis
My guess is that magic could replicate a semblance
Just as dust boosted semblance could look like magic
Also I dont think that magic was restricted to the atmosphere but the part that allowed it to function outside of is was taken by the humans
That was salem i believe, i saw a purple aura around the nevermore before she crushed it
@@goddesssalem4842 salem power had a dark red color to it
1. Ironwood probably was going to design whatever so it can launch Atlas into the atmosphere AND keep the population alive
2. The dust was probably supposed to just launch Amity, they probably discovered how to make a non-dust reliant satellite
3. You didn't what Salem did to the Nevermore and her and Ozma flying in the lost fables
This video gives me an idea for my AU XD
I have one theory about the relic of choice. I remember that Ozpin said that he made the relic of choice, the crown, a little more difficult to find compared to the other relics. Could it be that the crown was take apart and that the those who seek the crown need to find the pieces that make up the crown?
here is what I think Ironwood's thought process was when he lost it & decided to take Atlas to space
"maybe since dust cant work if it leaves Remnant it might work if we bring a piece of Remnant with us"
hard light shield is destroyed, no way to keep air in. critical failure, Ironwood was out of his gourd
Vol 7, Ep 7- Ironwood: ...Get a communications' tower up in *the sky* , higher than the Grimm can survive.
I read this as Atlas has tried this and knows how high Grimm can fly. All they have to do is get atlas higher than that point, which is still lower than "space"/still able
to have Dust, semblances and Magic work.
@@dragonrune6800 The problem with this is how would Atlas even know the litmis grimm can fly at, or if this little sweet spot between space and out of salems reach is actually obtainable, if the Amity tower is the first thing they've tried putting into space for god knows how long. And that goes double for Atlas. Sure they solved the fuel problem with the relic, but as for dust I think they finally figured out Dust requres an oxidizer to work, hence the mention of Atlas having an artaficial climate via hard light shields, but this is never expleained so it feels hollow. Secondarilly, Monstra uses gravity dust to fly, and if anyone could figure out how to make dust work near space it's salem, seeing as she's been around since it came into being.
Thirdly, after the Atlas hard light shields were destroyed/ the second Atlas got invaded, it was game over for Atlas. No shields means no containment of atmosphere means no air for your people. Grimm and grimm sludge is now in Atlas with you, so even if you got up to the edhge of space, you could be screwed by a suden influx of grimm that seeaped into the tunnels of Atlas. More to the point, by simply abandoning Remnant and taking the staff with you is not a victory, it's a stalmate, and it will be broken eventually. Again, all it would take to bring Atlas out of the sky is a little bit of time. If Salem get's the sword of destruction, there's litterally no way to know if she'd be able to simply crack Atlas in half and watch it fall.
Ironwood after Atlas got invaded, procecded to keep lossing his mind, and instead of acctually thinking about the end game was so wrapped up in simply winning the battle against Salem then and there that he was doomed to lose the war, like the US in Vietnam and Afganistan.
Salem is wrong, there is victory in stregth, but it's how you use it that determins a victory. Ironwood really should have read The Art of War, if he did he would have known how to attack Salem when she first got spotted coming into Atlas Airspace.
Like really, The enemy's general is on the flagship, accompanied by the entire navy, who's in range of your deffences, while they are currently unable to attack you. This is a Navel comander's wet dream. Project the fighting as far away from the homefront as possible. Destroy the smaller ships, isolating the flagship. Kill or capture the enemy leader.
@@thebanditman5663 Nice dissertation. All I will talk to is lifting up atlas. You had asked how they might already know the limits Grimm can fly. Atlas has military flying ships. They probably [at some earlier time] captured a manticore or some other flying Grimm and had it chase a ship. Whenever the Grimm stopped following the ship, that is the highest they can go. With Ironwood's wording, it's safe to say that there is a limit within the atmosphere that is breathable. Food and water can be stored. Still a waiting game.
@@dragonrune6800 I don't think you really understand the physics behind what I'm reffering too, nor the lack of research RT did for this arc. For one, a country with next to no spacefairing history dosn't on a whim figure out the math to launch a stadium into space in a few weeks, nor would they figure out how to create a nuke in about two days. The limit to how high an atmosphere is brethable for people is 20,000 feet, and higher and you need speciel equiptment or evolution. Assuming the grimm can not breath past this, also means that dust would stop working at about that hight without some form of artaficial atmosphere to burn it in like with Amity, or jet engiens, of which we've not seen once. (please point out to me a single instance of an aircraft in RWBY that has air intakes) so there's no way Atlas took an aircraft higher than what grimm can "survive" to test this, and more to the point birds on earth have been spotted as high as 37,000 feet. After Atlas lost it's shields it's already floating at an altitude nearly that of the highest city in america at well over 10,000 feet, and people that go there need to be aclamated first. Raising it any higher after the shields are gone would likelly start dropping bodies. More to the point, even if Atlas was to fix the shields, fly away, clear all the grimm they have, and stablize their food production they will evenualy run out of dust, minable metal, stone, and other necessities found in the ground. There's a reason the City of Mannhatten has to import so much shit, Atlas cutting itself off from the rest of the world only makes that worse.
And that's again ignoring the fact that we've already seen Salem make grimm do imposible shit. The amount of energy requred to make the monstra fly with gravity dust alone is absurd, and if all it takes is a little bit of an oxydizer to have dust function at altitude the whale's, you know, able to hold a fuck load of air in it's lungs, by that point, it's a matter of just breaking the shields of Atlas again and everyone dies as the air gets sucked out from depressurization.
Ironwood lost his damn mind after the invasion started, and was litterally going to get everyone killed either way.
let's be glad that Ironwood's so called plan, didn't get everyone on that floating rock killed, cause you'd think he would've been smart enough to know the fact that Dust wouldn't work outside of Remnant's atmosphere.
Whoa. Just...whoa. Those implications...we gonna have heavy drama.
This may be late and unrelated to the video but I had a fantastic for 2 semblances I don't have names yet but they are
-The ability to copy any other semblance that the user sees as long as they know how it works there is no limit to how many can be copied at once the person may need an perfect memory also they may deduce how the semblance copied is instead of be told
-The ability to remove another's aura without their knowledge the one with the semblance has their aura increased by the aura removed along side an increase in their strength and speed basically use another's aura as a battery not use full against grimm but against people deadly
Well those are my semblance ideas tell me what you think.
note the second one does not deplete ones aura it removes the defensive aura around someone basically removing ones defense against attacks but the strain on the aura one has is not affected.
I like the gears turning in my brain because of this
Great explanation.
"Semblance, Dust and Magic! The three main-"
Where's aura, bruh
Semblance is an extension of Aura. For the purposes of this video, semblance and aura are synonymous
People don't seem to be seeing the answer that's been staring them right in the face this entire time. What are Semblances? They are a Semblance of the Magic/Power that Humans used to have.
This got me asking: what exactly would happen if Dust were to be consumed or metabolized by microbes, plants or animals? Specifically regarding the fact that Dust contains traces of human essence.
Listening to this, my thought is about Ozpin. Magic is tied to the soul, so anyone that Ozma's soul binds to will have magic as well. His soul was placed in the second coming of man, and each like minded soul he binds with in theory will have their own semblance. If they too, due to their souls being bound together, are reincarnated with Ozma, does that mean Ozma had a stockpile of semblances in his backpocket? And if that's the case, why does he not use his semblance more often because, with magic, semblance is something he can wield that Salem can not.
OK this whole vid has me thinking. What if Salem and Ozma's ultimate goal is elevate humanity to where it has the ability, resources and technology to eventually travel beyond Remnant. Just the way each wants to accomplish such a thing are different. If Salem summons the gods with the relics, her goal could be to challenge the brothers and take their powers from them (she is like only person other than Ozma who has magic and think she could do a better job than the gods), then use it to create a new world and a new wave of humans uninhibited by the flaws of the past and current humans. Either that, or she just wants to die, but Salem probably don't care which outcome she gets. While if Ozma had his way, the god of light could reward humanity with the ability to travel beyond the stars as a result of sorting out its differences and stand as a whole.
You know, the god of light really should've taken away Salem's magic before he and his brother left. I don't know what they were thinking with allowing a magic wielding immortal running around causing havoc to their continuing experiment.
From a god perspective, it’s a proper punishment. From a human one, it isn’t. I think we can’t apply human logic to it.
@@acgearsandarms1343 So much for keeping the balance, didn't the brothers stop to think that making Salem immortal might actually destroy that balance.
@@goddesssalem4842 Looking at it from a narrative perspective, consider that humanity itself has failed. It’s been given a second chance to overcome their worst instincts to prove they deserve to live. Here’s the thing about humanism. Not even gods can predict how good or bad humanity can be. It’s a common thing across many myths and religions in history. At this point, it’s pity. The balance was broken so there should be no point in restoring it. The God of Light took pity so devised a way to prove they can salvage something from the mess made. You should know punishment dealt by deities are always harsh. To be honest, destroying only humanity and letting them be reborn again is pretty light. They could have done far worse had Salem rallied more people. That’s why I don’t really blame them for the punishment chosen. It’s the consequences of that punishment that people have an issue with. And to be fair, it’s a cruel consequence. But who do you truly blame? The gunmaker, the one who made the bullet, or the one who pulled the trigger? Many guilty parties involved in Salem’s saga, but ultimately the Gods were only responsible for what came before, not after. They gave her an easy out: Learn to let go. Had Salem tried and not given into her worse instincts, she would have been freed long ago. It’s humanity that perpetuated the broken world. They who broke the balance. Sad fact of any world real or fictional, people are just that bad.
@@acgearsandarms1343 Well it completely backfired, because Salem used that very immortality to turn the people against the brothers. Also I find these brothers very hypocritical , they also broke the balance a second time when they resurrected Ozma, the very request that Salem asked for in the first place. Yes the gods are very harsh, they seem to break the rules when it suits them. They preach balance but inflicted collective punishment on the whole of humanity for the so called crimes of a handful of people.
I don't know why the people of remnant would want the brothers back, all it takes is one person to annoy them and the brothers will through another temper tantrum and wipe out humanity again.. Foolish brothers who act more like children than deities
@@goddesssalem4842 Crimes of a handful of people with the backing of entire nations and kingdoms. I don’t agree with what the God of Darkness did, but it was done. It sometimes takes just one person to save or condemn a race. Human morality isn’t a thing. Morality is of different standards to gods. I don’t bother trying to put them to human standards unless it can be applied. In this case, only some of those standards could be applied.
Interesting video
Semblance is literally just Next Generation Magic which requires Dust to enhance & feul it.
Nice video. Could you do one on the grimm campaign. Cause it's canon and there is magic involved in it as well as a connection to aura in it.
So I think a good way of thinking of the two different species of humanity is one the original species being called high human's as they were much more powerful then a current human.
Salems immortality stops working in space?
Then, if dust stops working outside of remnant, would semblances stop working too? Or would it still work since it's part human part magic? I'm wondering because team rwby is not on remnant anymore in volume 9
Funny that you mention that, I may or may not be in the process of editing a video with that exact idea in mind 😁
Ironwood did say that there was no sacrifice he wouldn't make, both in the show and in "Hero". So he would be more than willing and eager to try any of Phoenix' theories here. The man would literally do anything, any 👏 thing 👏, if he thought for one second there was any chance in hell it would stop Salem.
Since the lost fairy tale I always thought; a chunk of the moon falling down to the planet will vaporize anything near the impact zone reducing it to dust... Many animals must have met their end that day and their dust mixed with some of that from humanity. This would also explain why there are less faunus than humans. Humanity's dust was everywhere while the mixed dust was only near the impact zones of the moon chunks.
For ironwpod's plan he might have meant 300-500 miles above remnant and not out of the exosphere,we simply don't know the technicalities of space for the writers,they probably mean past the exosphere is where dust stops working
Are going to do a video On Ozpin's Weapon the Long Memory
I made one a while ago actually but I could make an updated one since we learned a lot more about the Long memory in Volume 8
This was a good video
So if Jaune used his semblance on him self would he never run out of aure or would he run out faster because he's using aura to power him self up
Given that that would also be enhancing his semblance, I think it would be a positive feedback loop of his semblance enhancing his semblance, enhancing his semblance (and so on forever), that would make him nigh invincible.
@@eliosullivan7050 ok but he's the big question would his body be able to handle that much power
I would say no as I bet there is downside to his boosting
Question on Cinder's grim, can she take other magic too?
My theory on theory on this is magic requires no substance and no taxation while semblances require taxation in the form of auras and dust requires a physical form.(don’t know if you said this in the vid but I’ve been holding this in my back pocket for a vid just like this
I’m just dumb and Phoenix just absolutely showed up my stupid ‘theory’ or I guess just observatory guess.
I guess you could say it's a semblance of magic.
Indeed 😊
I know this is a couple years old but i have a question. If you had a dust crystal could you use your aura to fuel the dust and have the dust be used as a medium to transmute your aura into the element and cast magic? The magic you use would be limited to the dust you have and your aura but is this possible in RWBY?
Do you think that the vaults, or the space created to get the people of Atlas to Vacuo, or 'Wonderland' count as being within Remnant?
Excellent point. Their semblances were definitely working in that space and it certainly wasn’t on Remnant. Actually, come to think of it the dust was working too hmmmmm ???
You called it here, no semblance will be able to be used on the island!!!
Might need to update this. As if vol 9 dust and semblances worked in the ever after.
@Phoenix/Night With the relation between semblance, dust and magic what does that make Jaune's amplifying aura ability because I don't remember them saying that was his semblance.
Maybe the God of Light has helped Jaune but not having him realize it? I mean he is the God of Light afterall and did the impossible, it's possible they can see the world but not completely.
Question is: Are the Dust-Kristalls growing ? If yes than it could be that it could regenerate...over a long span of time
Hey Phoenix there is this fanfiction called Remnant of the Key a Rwby x kingdom hearts crossover and it’s really good currently Studiofandom the creator of that fanfic is looking for voice actors and more supporters.
What about nora creating electricity??
I wonder: With Ozmar/Ozpin reincarnating in Oscar, will Oscar still get a semblance?
As far as I remember Ozpins and Oscars soul are merging together. Ozpin - as someone from the first aera of humanity - doen't have any semblance, right? But Oscar normally could develope one. Now with the semblance connected to the souls and their souls merging together what would happen? Can Oscar still develope a semblance before they fully merge or maybe even after? And if Oscar would develope a semblance before the two souls fully merge would that mean they could use both (semblance and magic) afterwards?
Thinking about it, I don't assume that's the case. Because if it were, woudn't Ozmar "collect" a semblances with any (or at least some) reincarnations he is going through? (Assuming when he dies the whole merged soul reincarnates and not just Ozmars original one) And I can't recall ozpin using any semblance.
(btw: not nativ so sry for my english😅)
What do you think about it?
Based on what Oz has said regarding Oscar's semblance (whatever it is), he will have one. Just because we haven't been given info on Ozpin's semblance doesn't mean he didn't have one (many theorize time related). Ozpin said that "Oscar will need to strengthen his body and his aura" and he confirms that they must find his semblance. Most theorize that every reincarnation has a new semblance. Magic should still be available because it is an Ozma trait, not an exclusively Ozpin trait. Oscar will have his own semblance. Many theories are light related, dream related, soul swapping, and time. I would suggest rewatching volume 5 for any info on Oscar and Ozpin regarding their mention of semblance.
It could be that dust needs oxygen to work, or something else that is in the air. That would be missing at high altitudes.
just thought of something if Dust is finite when it runs out then does that mean that the world of Remnant will follow Darwin's theory of evolution: only the strong survive? (ie.: those people who have semblances?
Interesting
You are mistaking raising Amity above flying grimm and out of the atmosphere alltogether. Pietro and Maria were still fine after all.
Atlas, if hermetically sealed, could be raised even into Orbit by the Scepter, since it isn’t Dust, but relic magic.
I haven't read the DC crossover, were they on Earth or Remnant?
What Neptune his semblance is to manipulate water and that’s a element
dont think water dust is a thing though
I love Jellos video poking fun about semblances and dust
Edit: also, I made a bet with my friends back during v2 that dust was ancient humans, not quite what I had in mind when I thought "ancient humans" but the look on their faces was fantastic
That photo of Ozpin and Salem is similar to the scene of Harry and Voldemort dueling each other in goblet of fire
@Phoenix/Night If you haven't already you should make a video on how team Rwby could destroy Salem
Thanks for the video :)
so will they be able to use their semblance in the island they found????? mind blown.....
Whatever the case Team RWBY, Juane, and Neo will most likely be at a huge disadvantage ability/skill wise in this new realm during volume 9.
Dude. The staff can only make one thing but one thing can do multiple jobs. Just make a space station with the staff holding and protecting Atlass.
"Magic can't recreate what Semblances do." I would need a little elaboration on that.
I get that Dust is all elemental properties and Semblances can only manipulate something like these at most, not straight up create elements like Dust can, but with magic being wholly separate from Semblances I am not sure about. Case in point here would be Qrow and Raven, who we know got their 'Magic' from Ozpin, and their power now is to turn into birds. Now, I would argue that this is awfully similar to Ruby turning into rose petals and zooming about, with that being her Semblance.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for magic and Semblances to actually be something completely separate, and in some ways they are, like how, again, Semblances can't create elemental powers, but magic definitely can, but magic is so vaguely defined that, honestly, anything is possible. I mean, magic can create elemental... everything - projectiles, beams, shields, weapons - but it can also allow for bird shapeshifting and... wireframes..? Maybe the point of magic is being this omnipotent, all-powerful force that allowed humans of the first era to do anything, that now only the most powerful people, like Ozpin, Salem and the Maidens, can wield. But straight up saying "Magic can't recreate what Semblances do" is a little unfounded, or not explained well enough for my taste.
hey phoenix you should react and analyze the fairytails of remnant series also the relic of choice was shown in the episode the indecisive king.
Love the video's keep it up
Although I think in this one video and audio are off synch at some points
Team RWBY, Jaune and Neo now at another world. If your theory about semblance could only be used on remnant is true, they all couldn't uses their semblance in another world.
Hope he can make another Summer Rose theory about her being trapped in the V9 world so people can lose their shit once again. But like always, keep up the good RWBY videos Phoenix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to know the relation of Dust, Semblances and Magic now.
As aura and semblances are tied to the soul, based by magic, then how can someone 'steal' a semblance like with mercury?
Ac9rching Caress has an Elemental component, my guy
Very informative. I kinda suspected that each were in its own category.
Well, if semblances only works on Remnant, that would mean that Rwby, Jaune, and Neo, would´t be able to use their semblances in the Wonderland (Unless wonderland is in fact still Remnant...but maybe not the Remnant that we know...) that would be interesting and dangerous
Regarding Semblances and elements, we have seen Semblances with those aspects (Yang, Neptune, Nora). I don't think it's a stretch to think elemental Semblances exist, though possibly rare. Maybe we'll see another fake Maiden take advantage of this.
None of those semblances actually produce elemental effects. Yangs semblance is about power augmentation, her hair looks like it is on fire but her semblance has nothing to do with fire. Neptune's semblance does not produce water, only controls and manipulates water. Noras semblance uses electricity to increase her strength, she does not produce electricity.
Semblances can manipulate elements but cannot produce the elements themselves, only Dust has been shown to do that
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Then I guess that team RWBY will be in for a rough ride if they fell out of Remnant.
I know this isn't related to the video but i'm gonna ask a question thats been on my mind for a while. What would happen if two people with heredetary semblances have a child? Would the child have one of the two semblances? Or would the child have a sort of hybrid of the two?
Example: Lets say the father has a fire semblance and the mother has an ice semblance and both are heredetary semblances, would the child have one of them or a hybrid semblance (producing both fire and ice)
Edit: liked the vid
We don't have an answer to that unfortunately. The only hereditary semblance we have seen in 8 seasons of the show thus far is Glyphs used by the Schnee family, that leads me to believe they are incredibly rare (or that the Schnee family has the only 100% hereditary semblance and there is something else going on related to magic, etc.)
But hypothetically, a semblance could be a combination of two hereditary semblances or it could work like genetics where the "dominant" semblance genes are the ones the child has. Interesting question to think about
If you could only have one (dust, a semblance, or activated aura), which would it be?
I’d go for a robust aura myself. Because my connective tissue isn’t particularly hardy and I’m getting older, so I’m vulnerable to sprains, strains, and tendinitis. Which is a massive source of frustration when you want to be physically active!
that one dislike is salem
Cool
it makes sense how semblances could be very similar Yet still different.
yang and Adam have the same semblance, with the difference that Adam didn't need to get Hit to generate the powerfull attack of his semblance. yang HAS to take damage to increase her power.
i don't think i seen much other semblance similarities... other the nadam and yang. and Qrow and clover
Emerald and Neo
Dust was also stated to not work outside of the atmosphere in rwby vs justice league
And I hope they find a way around that
@@killerbee1974 in the comic they did
spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen the last episode of season 8
so if a semblance can't work outside of Remnant then Ruby & the others that fell won't be able to use them for as long as they're in this new world or what ever it is
I would add: unless Magic works in this place. Since Semblances and Dust come from Magic, they should also work- to some extent.
to be honest, I was under the impression that the Dust crystals are fossilized magic.
How would you "fossil-ize" Magic, which is pure energy ? What fossilizes?
@@dragonrune6800 well word would you describe it?, remember what Phoenix/Knight said on this video?, about the people born from dust, or something, the magic never left Remnant, the magic had been crystalized in multiple colors representing magical elements?, so therefore, I call Dust fossilized magic.
@@pauljordan0203 Ok, but my question stands. Other than the visual manifestation, what is Magic? Quantify it for me. What about Magic is physical?
You can't fossilize aether or plasma or other gasses.
@@dragonrune6800 well I call what I see when I watch shows like RWBY, magic is mystical energy that everyone harnesses in fantasy genre's, that's all I've ever known, if I called Dust as fossilized magic, I call it fossilized magic, so deal with it.
@@pauljordan0203 That's fine; it's your headcanon, not mine.