I don't think so b/c the fastest benchmark test recorded was 90 ms which would be lowered to 40 ms with the 3 frame advantage and that's the benchmark test where you know exactly what's coming and you are preparing for 1 thing with 1 button/mouse push which is a lot easier than melee
Big Money fascinating Couldn’t you have just gone to the other illogical extreme of saying that the pink pill doesn’t specify current retirees and includes future retirees?
The Red pill is so good they barely talked about the second effect to it imagine being able to have the time to practice and have multiple mains, and at any point be able to counter pick any match up and you hardly struggle switching
Imagine if zain was just as good as he is at marth rn, at both puff and fox. Since essentially, the 3x efficiency can be split between 3 different characters, and hand warming between them in sets doesn't need to happen.
The most insane part about the black pill is that you can abuse it to attend literally every single tournament that you want. Because there are no inconveniences, you can easily just ask around for plane tickets, or cop a ride, or literally hitchhike to the tournament and you will arrive unharmed and on time. Not only that, your matches will never be at an inconvenient time, and you could theoretically attend multiple tournaments at the same time abusing this property. I think it's pretty insane for practice. Also, YLink with green pill would be pretty insane imo.
Black pill is free safe travel anywhere there's a melee tournament: Fuck results im gonna see the world. Boutta get 4 stocked in every continent. Lost to a Ness main, don't care lmao im in Japan rn
I would take green pill directly Being better than axe young link makes you super good and you can play the funniest character in the game without constantly losing
Why ylink? Wouldnt it be better to choose a mid tier? I mean since they have higher level representation it would mean that you are going to be better than that automatically and a better player that if you chose ylink. Unless you were talking about style, in which case maybe ylink really is a top contender.
what's the pill that gives you perfect johns? the one that makes everyone who hears your excuses say "oh wow, that sucks man, fair enough" every time? the pill for the convincingest and undeniablest johns?
@@gwen6622 Grey pill. You could john your way out of getting obliterated, while still getting that sick 0-death combo to prove you actually could pop off like that again lol
I think that would lead to all black pill takers facing off at the latest possible point in winners' and if there's an uneven amount of them, some of them would randomly get DQ'd due to inexplicable circumstances.
Whether you think some pills are bad or not, this is an amazing idea. It's not immediately evident which pill is best and worst [unless you're a Leffen apparently], and it spurs some fun discussion on the important aspects of being a pro. Also, this is basically like a "What superhero power would you have?" discussion but just more fun and organised.
I don't think his hands repair but they don't get any worse, he can play melee without worrying about his hands degrading any further imo. orange is definitely the hax pill. imagine physical peak on the boxx.
Cool thing about the grey pill for your career aspects is that it literally gets better over time - you go your entire career without missing a 0 to death in every game. That's insane.
imagine you could conserve it to when you needed it most each game, like your opponent takes a stock at a late percent, you take theres and get to mid but then you activate the pill, boom another stock gone so its mid 3 to 2 and a mind crush through assumedly because you could have 0-deathed them in a weird long way mid levels of play. Or you start a game like that and play a stock up. Or you could time them out by stalling the 0-death if you wanted to take it to the extreme thus winning every game by time out.
id just go up to top players and money match them. id be like if you 4-stock me ill give you $1,000 and if you dont you owe me $100. easy money every time
Things that I think matter that were missed: Yellow pill: Human reaction time, specifically to sound, has been recorded to be as fast as about 90 ms at the very best. 3 frames is about 50ms. Shave 50 ms off the fastest reaction times recorded and we are sitting at about 40 ms. For fox to shine and then jump cancel it, we are looking at a minimum of 6 frames (3 in shine, 3 in jumpsquat - I might have these numbers wrong by a frame or two but just stay with me) which would be about 100 ms. It would become humanly possible, if the right human took this pill, for shine to be whiff punished. Green pill: This doesn't specify you are the best (whatever character) main, this says you are the best at that character period. Zain showed he can beat some top players with roy. This pill would, for example, let you be better at Roy than Zain. However, the weakness is bigger than it seems. The problem with this pill isn't just that you have to play a below luigi tier, but that tier lists change over time, so you will have your character of choice taken away from you sometimes. The flipside of this is that for some reason tier placements are actually unchanging and whether or not you are able to pick a character is the foundation of how people figure out the true tier list. Orange pill: I'm not able to compete in melee because of some health reasons, give me that shit. For people who do regularly attend tournaments, this pill will just make the game more fun for you. That's a big deal. Pink pill: you get to talk to crush. idk if it would be that helpful but it would be sick to be able to just bother him about melee with psychic powers Black pill: At the greatest extreme, (assuming your only concern is being number 1 and not having exciting games) then a lucky bracket is one where your opponents drop out during the tournament. The travel stuff is really cool though because that means that you won't get sick in the airport or whatever. Too bad it kills the game and maybe some other people because they gotta drop out of the tournament some how. Pill combinations: Grey and pink: "Hey crush watch this lol" Black and green: Enter tournament as kirby, all opponents drop out, character below luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing Green and blue: If team comboes that involve your teammate shining count for this pill, then you will never mess up whatever low tier bullshit requires a teammate to shine Green and red: You single-handedly destroy the tier list and make r/ssbm even worse every time you play
Red: if you workout you get super srrong in no time. You can learn a language in a month or 2. You get the hang of any sport you try within a couple hours. If your socially akward you can learn to not be without as much difficulty. Orange: your memory is insane. You arent affected by old age. You never need to proof read papers you write.
Thanks for the expansion of the abilities that would be accessible. I definitely gained a few brain cells looking at this comment as well. Btw if you need to be absent to avoid not being able to play then you can't play either way
It doesn't say "you can only choose a character lower than luigi as your character" it sas "You can only play a character lower than luigi". To me that implies you can NEVER play Marth EVER again
@@swaderable why would you pick a character you can't even play? like okay, your marth is now better than zain's, but you can only play roy? if you wanna play roy just pick roy lol it would still make your roy better than zain's roy.
@74 year old man yeah if you get the green thing the only moral thing to do is give it to your grandma and watch her ganon stomp through top 64. think of how many twitch subs Ganon Granny would get, you'd both be rich
Counterargument for green: I now get to meet my favorite smash players without having to spend years of labbing and getting my ass kicked to not meet them lol
The Black pill is actually my beast 5 PM run: lost right away, then 3 DQs in a row because nothing was ready yet and people were freezing to death (that tournament was a mess), then won like 3 sets to end up placing 33rd or something. I've never been able to play like that day ever since lol
Why Orange is S-tier: "You are unaffected by sleep loss." This means you can practice all night. Every night. Until you die. And you are always at your physical peak. You would become the number one player slower than red pill. But, you still grow exponentially over time, and stay at your physical peak until you (presumably) die of old age. Literally, who could beat you 20 years into your career? 50? You would be the goat of all goats.
I wrote off blue pill at first, but if you think about it, shine is invincible frame 1.... And I would consider using shine's invincibility an advanced tech. That being said, definitely red pill.
The useful thing about blue pill is you can do perfect shield pressure, perfect waveshines, any game on stadium you can drillshine infinite them in the pit for a free stock, you will hit all your shine bairs, all your pillars, all your armada shines, all your LEFFEN shines which pretty much gives you free reactions to any defense and perfect edgeguards on many characters. Perfect frame 1 shine out of shield. Always reflect Samus's charge shots and missiles. Shine into firebird off top would give you lots of kills. Blue pill is OP af
@@AlexRoseGames I thought they came to the conclusion that you will only execute them 100% perfectly every time but not necessarily hit every shine for example.. so you wouldn't 100% hit every Armada shine or reflect every projectile, right? You still need to time the shine, which isn't really part of execution. Once you hit a waveshine on Peach tho, you can keep going forever. Or am I wrong in this? :c
@@unterbawr I disagree. an armada shine's entire execution is jump just within shine range -> shine. A leffen shine's entire execution is wait until they're exactly in range -> shine. that's the fundamental execution of those techs
@@AlexRoseGames I would just call "within range" spacing, which, to me, isn't part of execution. Execution feels like 100% correct inputs and frame perfection, no? I know they are given those nicknames, but that doesnt really make them purely execution based, imo. Something like a ledge dash on the other hand is 100% execution based, imo
@@unterbawr but to perfectly execute an armada shine you HAVE to get in range of the flames and shine at the right time. if it doesn't give you the power to armada shine 100% of the time then I don't see how it can claim that description. I think the difference is like.. the other person would be able to stay out of range so you can't possibly armada shine them, but if it's possible and there's time imo it should be possible, it's a routine tech
I’m curious that neither of them considered green and red. You get the instant gratification of being the best low-tier main in the world, but you can probably break the currently perceived ceiling of that low-tier. Melee changes every year, this combination could radically change the tier list and how we see Melee overall.
But that's the thing. You can only main a character below Luigi in the tier. Assuming it's the one on the wiki, if a red+green player picked Ganondorf and raises him up the tier you can no longer play Ganondorf because he's no longer below Luigi. You'll have to pretty much retire because you can't play anymore. Assuming that all characters are available instead of just one the next question becomes how far will Luigi drop because of this single player? Luigi is probably going to be looked at as the worst in extreme cases and result in another retirement. I guess that is too extreme however and there is a chance that people will just straight up say "this guy is just too skillful." Red+Green is good for if you want to go down in Melee history as some unknown legend who destroyed everyone at tournament and suddenly disappeared. Red+Orange can achieve the same goal, but you are no longer restricted with having a single character main and don't have to worry about suddenly losing a character. Red can achieve the same effects just as a green pill with the only restriction being the time it takes to become the best low tier main.
I think the red vs yellow argument ultimately comes down to if you think Melee is a game that could ever be solved. If it is, yellow pill wins because you’ll get there eventually and have superhuman abilities to defend it indefinitely. If it’s not, red always lets you be ahead of the competition, so that’s the one you pick
I think Toph is HUGELY overestimating how good 3 frames is. He's acting like it's a full second or something. Game mastery is far more important than reaction times. Consider that Fox's spotdodge and Puff's spotdodge are actually 5 frames apart, 22 and 27 respectively. People STILL don't punish Hbox's spotdodges effectively because he uses them in tricky scenarios. Even though 22 frames is the shortest spotdodge in Melee (shared by 13 chars), even FIVE frames more isn't enough to react to perfectly. Being able to use your reaction time efficiently is WAY more important than just having raw reaction time in general. Hard work beats talent, and 3 frames is not enough of a gap to beat out working hard 3x as efficiently. ALSO if you are not at your physical peak, reacting 3 frames faster isn't gonna do shit if your hands can't keep up or you're already tired. You can arguably get 3 frames faster by sleeping right, eating right, being healthy, good mental state, etc. I feel like this shows the difference in mentality between Toph and Hugs. "I wish I had faster reaction times" seems like way more of a john than "I need to practice more efficiently". Also I'm sad they didn't cover that Black Pill taken to the extreme could actually cure coronavirus. If you have no inconveniences to tournaments, that means tournaments are open again because nobody is getting infected. If someone hosted a tourney where literally everyone in the world was sent an invite, and you attended, nobody's getting sick, covid is gone.
Can you imagine bringing a character into the limelight and pushing it up the tier list, only to lose the ability to play that character until it goes back down? What a tragedy lol
hmm. I suppose then you might pop the pill, and the character you pick might, according to the pill, be higher than luigi, and not work. Which would mega suck.
@@SoAsIWasSaying you continually bring every character above luigi on the tier list until luigi is considered the worst character in the game and you’re forced to retire
Heres mine. S: Yellow, Red, Orange (the one I would pick!) A: Blue, Green B: Grey F: Black, Pink And If I had to pick a pair of pills, it would be Red and Orange. I love that quality of life!
Yeah, I would pick orange as well. Not only good for melee but life in general. No hand injuries No sleep loss. Way more productivity and you can still sleep recreationally if you want to. It's not like it forces you to NOT go to sleep. Controller always works. It didn't specify any kind of controller. This is just good for anything that constitutes as a "controller". and then more benefits of physical peak by whatever "etc." at the end means.
I think the orange pills migth be the most useful for life in general, but to me it still means you have to bust your ass hard. Like, what does physical peak mean? Do I get to push my body further than everyone ever has whenever I want? Or I just always hit the best my body can do?
@@kannalostherjaw.8693 I assume it means you always do the best your *current* body can do. Which means you can most certainly continue to get stronger and such but you're never going to be affected by external factors limiting you
The pink pill would be godlike if you could get coaching while you practice imagine getting coaching from Armada while you're grinding melee for like 5 hrs
Then Core-A-Gaming drops a new video on the natural and profound importance of practice. Using this video as a cited source of what players cherish the most, right before going into a visual presentation of different choices and why practice matters.
I think that in general the red pill beats the yellow pill. As a new player, I'd get more mileage out of it. But If I were top 2 or 3 in the world, I would 100% take the yellow. Having that consistent extra 3 frames advantage is insane when we're talking about a skill level where practicing is starting to yield diminishing returns.
green Pill. You beat don't test me, you become the first ever top 100 roy. You become a legend in the melee community, you stream beating good players as Roy. Im never going to be top 100 with any of the other pills so might as well take the easy route.
Blue and orange pills are opposite. Blue means that with infinite running jc shine you will never lose a game, but orange means you could theoretically stay alive forever as long as you play lol Edit: Have to edit to say they had the worst take on the pink pill. Literally dont even know what the word "can" means.
Something to add about the pink pill. The "avatar state" lets you commune with the minds of DEAD people. So, in combination with the "not just melee" loophole, you could be getting advice from ancient Olympians and legendary swordsmen Not to mention JOI
3 frames faster than wizzy doesn't apply to everyone. Someones fastest possible reaction time might not even be close to someone else's fastest reaction time. Yellow pill really depends on the person who's taking it.
If Orange Pill works for everything (not just melee) that's the most free pick of all time tbh. Imagine actually waking up without feeling tired already.
6:34 Secret out for green pill: It doesn't explicitly say the Melee tierlist. So, if you make a game with all the same characters, but make Luigi busted, or make top characters in Melee worse, you can play those characters now
One of the great thing about the red pill is that you can be one the best in a world at one game with less time playing it while enjoying so many other things in life. However, I think the orange pill is the way to go. Playing at peak performance and hand cramps and lack of sleep is more of a long term and safe strategy that's more reliable. Knowing that you're always going to be at peak performance can make mastering a skill much easier, as you don't have to worry about repeating difficult or basic combos, because once you do it perfectly in a set amount of times in a row, you can always rely on doing that same amount over and over again. Plus, if this applies to litterally any other part of my life, it makes everything so easy. Some things are a pain to practice and are better done consistently. I don't want to repractice math, reading, writing speaking so I can push ahead, I want to build straight up on the best version of myself right from the gecko
Wait so the green pill would make me have a better Roy than zain and when he improves I improve more so I could just pick Roy and just become amazing while not practicing like it is an easy A or B
Yeah it makes you better then Zains Roy instantly, but the downside comes when players figure out they can just stay on the side platforms and you can't really contest them
They also neglect the second caveat of the red pill, in that you can switch characters without missing a beat. Imagine if you could practice so efficiently that you could be a top tier Fox, Marth, and Puff main, and switch between them within a set. This is like M2K on steroids.
How are they evaluating blue so low? Touching Fox's shield would always lead to getting waveshined offstage into armada shine. Perfect shine oos and ledgedash shines give perfect ledgedashes lol. Touching falco's shield would lead to a pillar combo into shine up b or jist shine instant bair
Toph's argument (and I agree) is that even if you execute perfectly, that doesn't mean your opponent gets hit by it. Up Smash out of Shine is useless if your opponent is on the other side of the stage. You could perfectly execute a waveshine, but if your opponent SDIs too far you don't hit. This is why Toph also said the ultimate cheeser would be blue + yellow.
@@StormySensei That is a good point but normally the players interact eventually and safe approaches on every exchange with perfect nair shines, dair shines and perfect pillars seem too good.
Green and Gray is the ultimate content creator combo, no cap Like a guy consistently pulling zero to deaths with ANY low and bottom tier, plus playing super good with unconventional characters, is more than enough for a long lasting TH-camr/Streamer carrer
play, defined as: "engage in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose." so if you look for fun in your life (you can work as well it doesnt matter under the best interpretation as i think the point you stop having fun doing something is the point were you get tired). Meaning essentially you would always be at your peak until the day you die. Under the absolute best interpretation, no sickness or old age can hit you and you would only die from something like asphyxiation, getting kicked with great force like under a drawer or with a fist or with non-pg grim artifacts, or shocked by electricity, or overheated, or freezed, or cutted, essentially like the elfs from lotr
the black pill would make you immune to getting coronavirus under the best interpretation as well as making it safe to walk in unsafe streets, but would just make you immune and the world wouldnt be cured of coronavirus, always used if you are always looking out for the next tourney. under the worst interpretation it would make you unable to be excited for a tourney/want to be in one unless you want to go into the "inconvenience" of meeting new, potentially dangerous or bad people making you, unless you quit looking forward to playing melee, unable to make new friends -and potentially being avoided by your current friends-.
How to tell if your fit is trash or drip: Step 1: Go to a tournament and somehow get to Leffen Step 2: Wait for Leffen to comment on your fit. There are two possible paths; Number 1: Leffen calls your fit trash Number 2: Leffen does not comment If Leffen does not comment, it means you're dripped out the wazoo
Red Pill versus Yellow pill is the Batman debate in comics, sure X character can beat Batman because they have more power or are faster, etc. but all Batman needs is prep time and he is prepared to beat whomever it is.
Ill take the green pill as someone who "doesn't play melee" to be able to skip months/years of learning and training and just instantly be in the competitive scene 😴 id be pretty down for that 0-100 real quick
I think y'all are missing the second clause of the grey pill. If you know you took the grey pill and are willing to cheese the start of every game, it's not starting every game at 4-3, it's starting at 3-2. You ALWAYS get a zero-to-death within the first 3 stocks of the game? Stock 1: All that matters is that you damage the other guy, but don't cause a zero-to-death. Best case scenario, you take the first two stocks completely normally and don't die yourself. Then their third stock, you're guaranteed the zero-to-death, so all you gotta do is win neutral once for it. Worst case scenario, you lose the first stock. Well, because you're guaranteed to get a zero--to-death in the first 3 stocks of the game, you now know that the next 2 stock losses have to be the other guy. He's already taken damage on the first stock, so you can't zero to death it, and once he loses it the next lost stock has to be the zero to death. It's still not a great pill, but it's better than it sounds at first.
Pink pill may be underrated for training purposes. You basically have a library of all melee plays ever in your head, as well as the practice methods of all of them. That might cause you to improve faster than red pillby optimizing your training
Very interesting video and I agree for the most part, but disagree on the top picks. I think Orange is SS tier, after that I agree on Yellow and Red being S tier. The thing that has never been talked about, even though all other pills were discussed and evaluated at their max potential, is the fact that with the Orange Pill, you are immune to any health issues, fatigue, injuries, which opens up a lot of potential. With the Red Pill, you can practice 3 times as efficiently (not practicing as efficient as possible as was said in the video, just 20min = 60min, but even if it also makes you practice efficiently as a bonus on top of it, it wouldn't change my mind), but with the Orange Pill, you can literally practice as long as you want. With the Red Pill, if you grind for hours every day, you'll still be affected by health deterioration, which limits how long you can practice, if you dont want to shorten your career. I know it'll take a lot of dedication to do, but if you have someone willing to grind 15-18 hours a day of melee with the Orange Pill, or even more, since you're unaffected by sleep loss, the Red Pill will at best go equal in the short and mid term, which will already be hard to do, since grinding efficiently for 6-7 hours a day every day will have an impact on your health, leading to the Orange Pill eventually leaving you behind, due to superior health and consistency. But that's only for practicing, as when you actually play, the Orange Pill has a really strong advantage. So not only can Orange outgrind Red, but it also has an advantage in the actual game. Yellow vs Orange Pill, one thing I'd like to say here is, that reaction time is highly inconsistent and depends a lot on your health, how you sleep, eat, etc. Orange will actually boost your reaction time quite a bit, too, since you'll actually get to play at your peak, every time, whereas with the Yellow, you'll still have variance and slower days, not always actually having your best day. You'll obv still react faster with the Yellow one, but Orange will still have a very serious impact on RTC, etc. Alone being able to focus well consistently thanks to the Orange Pill is OP. Lastly, Orange on top of everything also has the best influence on your entire life as a whole, even outside of melee, it's a huge quality of life improvement. Well, that's my opinion at least, feel free to disagree or respond with your own opinion, very fun topic.
Okay, so, you can interpret the Pink pill as infinite friendlies with every character whose ever retired, in which case it DOES actually have a lot of value.
Pink pill means nice people like Wife or Mew2king coaching alongside the SUPER MEGA ULTRA SERIOUS GAMERS so i would take it just out of curiosity but the other pills are better
Studies have shown that animals like birds with lower reaction times perceive time slower, so if you pick the Yellow Pill the entire world will slow down for you. You'll effectively get a longer life. But maybe it will be a more monotonous annoying one where everyone takes too long to say anything.
It's three frames. Nothing is going to change significantly in real world. In videocalls you have way more than three frames delay and you can keep a conversation pretty much normally.
@@areks4397 that's 0.05 seconds off your reaction time. Average human reaction time is 0.25 seconds. That's your reaction time knocked down by TWENTY PERCENT. If the science is right, that potentially means you would experience the whole of time and reality 20 percent slower. Your life would feel 20% longer. You would get better at everything like driving, skating, gaming, flying, catching, fighting, balancing, 20% longer to think in every situation
@@AlexRoseGames Some people already operate at .05 seconds faster than you or me, and I guarantee they dont feel any different. 20% sounds huge, but its still just .05 seconds.
@@AlexRoseGames Dang. Now I feel bad for not doing the math. Thanks for explaining that for me! You'd need some of those friends that talk super fast lmao. I can barely listen to 1x videos on youtube, imagine at 0.8x.
@@gilgamesh5796 0.05 seconds CONSTANTLY. 20% sounds huge because it is huge. you would be hard pushed to find someone who is that much faster, I wouldn't be surprised if 0.2 seconds is 3.5-4 standard deviations above the mean. and you can't "guarantee" that, you have no basis to assume it definitely isn't true, scientific papers seem to suggest the opposite. There's no valid reason to assume time feels the same for you as it does for me. drive a car at a pigeon and watch how long it waits before it bothers to react, you and I would never risk that because we would die
There is an interpretation of orange pill not discussed here in that if it makes it so that you never play less than your physical peak then you could play perfectly by consistently raising those peaks. If you practice your reaction speed then every time your reaction speed increased by say 1 frame then the pill locks that in as your new floor. If you studied videos of your opponents' matches and committed them to memory then you would never forget their habits or style of play. If you trained your muscle memory for frame perfect options then you would never execute slower than frame perfectly. Each new peak becomes your skill floor which in turn makes it easier to achieve the next level of play as your body acclimates to the changes. You could practice for days at a time with no sleep and little sustenance to maximize training efforts since your execution would never falter due to the fatigue. Each time you played a person you would become better at playing against them, because with enough experience you could download them between sets and eventually even mid game. Over time you would develop Yellow Pill level reactions, perfect executions, infallible game sense, Psychic-like reads, and the definition of consistent play. Admittedly, the Red Pill is incredible and is a clearly dominant choice, but it's main issue is that it peaks lower than Orange long term. Red would improve much faster initially, but it will eventually plateau at certain intervals where practice has diminishing returns. Orange has the advantage in that as soon as you peak that becomes the new standard of play. Plateaus will happen, but they will be easier to overcome and require no practice to maintain. One of Red's greatest strengths is consistency which can never match that of Orange. Red's last great strength is its capabilty to constantly innovate the game, however, I believe Orange would learn from Red when it matters most helping to neutralize the benefit. Meanwhile, Orange would constantly improve your physiological limits until it were physically impossible to improve while never performing worse than your absolute pinnacle. You could also play well into old age allowing you to enjoy the game throughout your entire life without sacrificing your skill. Hence, If you take the Orange Pill interpretation strictly as its stated then it is certainly in contention with Red as the best pill. I personally feel Orange is the best for any player because with enough effort you could match or beat the abilities of any other pill. Of course, this is assuming the Black Pill doesn't have reality warping luck manipulation though lol.
The thing about it is that yellow pill literally shrinks your opponent's zone of influence, and arguably isn't affected by red pill practice because the yellow player is literally playing a different game. The decisions you have to make are literally easier. If you take it as audio reactions, the number of things that are reactable is crazy. You can land combos on reaction that other people have to react to from memory by visualizing ahead. It basically contains the read pill because it unlocks an easier to learn game.
Picking the green pill when Shroomed was a Doc main would be insane because there would be two Doc mains in the top 10. But then Doc would certainly rise above Luigi.
Also pink pill is pretty good cuz avatar state stops time and you could literally TAS every game frame by Frame with armada asking what he'd do this frame lol
Hugo. Watch avatar the last airbender. NOW. That’s what the avatar state is referring to. Also thank me later for having you watch one of the best animated shows of all time.
For someone like me who retired from full-time competitive gaming (NES Tetris) due to arthritis and tendinitis the orange pill is FAR AND AWAY the best pick. Quality of life skyrockets and I become a threat again.
[Takes pink pill] Chillin: I don't know, man. My b.
Lmaoooo
that’s my dawwwg
Chillin would be a huge moral bonus though.
Nah I’m Pink Pill easy. I would pay an insurmountable amount of money to have Chillin say “that’s my dawg” every time I do something sick
Lmaooo imagine if leffen and chillin had a rap battle in ur head
@@frogchip6484 leffen isn’t retired though
They don't understand the avatar state means he would have the skills and experiences of all retired players. That's what it is in avatar.
Kleptomania it specifically says that they coach you. Not anything else, just coach
I’d just wait for the day ChuDat retires so that every time I lose a game I just hear “Yayuhhhhhh”.
taking the pink pill as an ultimate player. "I think this tinder girl is 17"
30 voices: "nah it's fine bro swipe right"
Goddammit bruh
Too soon
Big oof madone
This is actually one of the funniest comments I've ever seen
LMAO
If Wizzy tech chases you after taking the yellow pill, does he see into the future?
He knows how you're gonna roll before you do lmfao
3 or less frame reaction time which some literally have in some circumstances and you've beaten melee essentially
I don't think so b/c the fastest benchmark test recorded was 90 ms which would be lowered to 40 ms with the 3 frame advantage and that's the benchmark test where you know exactly what's coming and you are preparing for 1 thing with 1 button/mouse push which is a lot easier than melee
momo penguins The joke is up here You are down here
Big Money fascinating
Couldn’t you have just gone to the other illogical extreme of saying that the pink pill doesn’t specify current retirees and includes future retirees?
Pink Pill: M2K what should I do?
M2K: well on frame 15 of your neutral b your character actually hit a dab
M2K is gonna a trick you into delivering McDonalds to him.
I've barely watched Hugo otherwise, but I swear to god I'd watch him rank anything.
His ranking streams r great
I didn't agree at first, but here I am 50 minutes later
Same
Same here lmao
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Hearing them talk about Zain on the Red Pill made me realise the Zain in our timeline already took the Red Pill
The Red pill is so good they barely talked about the second effect to it imagine being able to have the time to practice and have multiple mains, and at any point be able to counter pick any match up and you hardly struggle switching
Agreed. Red pill player can keep up 3 mains at the same growth rate as Yellow pill player. Like what the fuck is that.
@@江建国-p9q or 2 mains at 1.5 practice rate!
@@ThePharphis God forbid you solo main someone, you'll probably be the best at that character in max 3 years (depending on the character of course)
Also remember that you could learn a language within wreks and if you exercise you would be strong as shit in no time flat
Imagine if zain was just as good as he is at marth rn, at both puff and fox. Since essentially, the 3x efficiency can be split between 3 different characters, and hand warming between them in sets doesn't need to happen.
The most insane part about the black pill is that you can abuse it to attend literally every single tournament that you want. Because there are no inconveniences, you can easily just ask around for plane tickets, or cop a ride, or literally hitchhike to the tournament and you will arrive unharmed and on time. Not only that, your matches will never be at an inconvenient time, and you could theoretically attend multiple tournaments at the same time abusing this property. I think it's pretty insane for practice.
Also, YLink with green pill would be pretty insane imo.
Black pill is free safe travel anywhere there's a melee tournament: Fuck results im gonna see the world. Boutta get 4 stocked in every continent. Lost to a Ness main, don't care lmao im in Japan rn
Ganon green pill is the only viable one. Maybe Roy for some match ups.
I would take green pill directly
Being better than axe young link makes you super good and you can play the funniest character in the game without constantly losing
Why ylink? Wouldnt it be better to choose a mid tier? I mean since they have higher level representation it would mean that you are going to be better than that automatically and a better player that if you chose ylink. Unless you were talking about style, in which case maybe ylink really is a top contender.
@@charlierose7153 lmao
Y'all are laughing about the pink pill, until some 12 year old newb pops it, becomes literally Aang and single handedly saves Melee in their 20s.
And when Melee needed him most, he disappeared.
Wind Turbine *vanished
I love the orange pill, but it’s drawback is you lose the ability to john
Sorry, I'm not used to my controller working properly.
@@jakezepeda1267 "I was expecting to miss that Ledge Dash."
what's the pill that gives you perfect johns? the one that makes everyone who hears your excuses say "oh wow, that sucks man, fair enough" every time? the pill for the convincingest and undeniablest johns?
@@gwen6622 The brown pill. Same color as the shit that comes out of their mouths
@@gwen6622 Grey pill. You could john your way out of getting obliterated, while still getting that sick 0-death combo to prove you actually could pop off like that again lol
Orange pill would be sick, imagine 70 yo mang0 schmoving
He’s gonna be schmoving regardless lol
The Black Pill’s potency depends on the amount of people that picked the Black Pill
Holy shit. Dont open that can
This is some inception stuff
That bracket setting would be ridiculous
I mean if they picked black pill they would all be shit players so they just play each other normally.
I think that would lead to all black pill takers facing off at the latest possible point in winners' and if there's an uneven amount of them, some of them would randomly get DQ'd due to inexplicable circumstances.
Whether you think some pills are bad or not, this is an amazing idea. It's not immediately evident which pill is best and worst [unless you're a Leffen apparently], and it spurs some fun discussion on the important aspects of being a pro. Also, this is basically like a "What superhero power would you have?" discussion but just more fun and organised.
I when I first saw the meme on twitter I immediately upvoted cause it’s genius. Hope we get more memes of this quality.
Hax$ takes the orange pill, does he get his hands back?
I don't think his hands repair but they don't get any worse, he can play melee without worrying about his hands degrading any further imo. orange is definitely the hax pill. imagine physical peak on the boxx.
@@AlexRoseGames his physical pique was when he had his hands though
He already took the blue pill he cant have two
Mull1ns does that mean that if youre and fat fart you go back to your youthful fit physical peak
@@AlexRoseGames "Your hands don't get sore."
No, his hands would still have problems, but he would feel no pain from them.
Cool thing about the grey pill for your career aspects is that it literally gets better over time - you go your entire career without missing a 0 to death in every game. That's insane.
imagine you could conserve it to when you needed it most each game, like your opponent takes a stock at a late percent, you take theres and get to mid but then you activate the pill, boom another stock gone so its mid 3 to 2 and a mind crush through assumedly because you could have 0-deathed them in a weird long way mid levels of play. Or you start a game like that and play a stock up. Or you could time them out by stalling the 0-death if you wanted to take it to the extreme thus winning every game by time out.
id just go up to top players and money match them. id be like if you 4-stock me ill give you $1,000 and if you dont you owe me $100. easy money every time
You make bets as bowser saying you'll zero to death em and make a career out of it
@Garo what?
If you get one then it’s effect was used...
Things that I think matter that were missed:
Yellow pill: Human reaction time, specifically to sound, has been recorded to be as fast as about 90 ms at the very best. 3 frames is about 50ms. Shave 50 ms off the fastest reaction times recorded and we are sitting at about 40 ms. For fox to shine and then jump cancel it, we are looking at a minimum of 6 frames (3 in shine, 3 in jumpsquat - I might have these numbers wrong by a frame or two but just stay with me) which would be about 100 ms. It would become humanly possible, if the right human took this pill, for shine to be whiff punished.
Green pill: This doesn't specify you are the best (whatever character) main, this says you are the best at that character period. Zain showed he can beat some top players with roy. This pill would, for example, let you be better at Roy than Zain. However, the weakness is bigger than it seems. The problem with this pill isn't just that you have to play a below luigi tier, but that tier lists change over time, so you will have your character of choice taken away from you sometimes. The flipside of this is that for some reason tier placements are actually unchanging and whether or not you are able to pick a character is the foundation of how people figure out the true tier list.
Orange pill: I'm not able to compete in melee because of some health reasons, give me that shit. For people who do regularly attend tournaments, this pill will just make the game more fun for you. That's a big deal.
Pink pill: you get to talk to crush. idk if it would be that helpful but it would be sick to be able to just bother him about melee with psychic powers
Black pill: At the greatest extreme, (assuming your only concern is being number 1 and not having exciting games) then a lucky bracket is one where your opponents drop out during the tournament. The travel stuff is really cool though because that means that you won't get sick in the airport or whatever. Too bad it kills the game and maybe some other people because they gotta drop out of the tournament some how.
Pill combinations:
Grey and pink: "Hey crush watch this lol"
Black and green: Enter tournament as kirby, all opponents drop out, character below luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing
Green and blue: If team comboes that involve your teammate shining count for this pill, then you will never mess up whatever low tier bullshit requires a teammate to shine
Green and red: You single-handedly destroy the tier list and make r/ssbm even worse every time you play
Red: if you workout you get super srrong in no time. You can learn a language in a month or 2. You get the hang of any sport you try within a couple hours. If your socially akward you can learn to not be without as much difficulty.
Orange: your memory is insane. You arent affected by old age. You never need to proof read papers you write.
If we can only combine two together, then Yellow and Red is the best combo by far. Edit: didn't realize they talked about it at the end, my b.
If the tier lists change depending on the character you play won't Luigi eventually become the worst character and then you just can't play the game?
@@bobbybenoit21 Yes, until you are absent long enough for Luigi to rise back up
Thanks for the expansion of the abilities that would be accessible. I definitely gained a few brain cells looking at this comment as well. Btw if you need to be absent to avoid not being able to play then you can't play either way
Green pill: Pick Roy and apply skills to Marth. Insta Top 15 cause youre almost Zain at that point
It doesn't say "you can only choose a character lower than luigi as your character" it sas "You can only play a character lower than luigi". To me that implies you can NEVER play Marth EVER again
@@AlexRoseGames but you can do the opposite... Pick Marth and only play Roy. Doesn't say you can't pick a top tier just that you can't play them
APP So you can be best in the world at Marth but nobody would ever know?
@@swaderable why would you pick a character you can't even play? like okay, your marth is now better than zain's, but you can only play roy? if you wanna play roy just pick roy lol it would still make your roy better than zain's roy.
@74 year old man yeah if you get the green thing the only moral thing to do is give it to your grandma and watch her ganon stomp through top 64. think of how many twitch subs Ganon Granny would get, you'd both be rich
Counterargument for green: I now get to meet my favorite smash players without having to spend years of labbing and getting my ass kicked to not meet them lol
Orange Pill is an immortality pill so long as you're always playing.
You die when melee does. Lit
@@charlierose7153 when the crt light busts when hbox throw it out the window.
The Black pill is actually my beast 5 PM run: lost right away, then 3 DQs in a row because nothing was ready yet and people were freezing to death (that tournament was a mess), then won like 3 sets to end up placing 33rd or something. I've never been able to play like that day ever since lol
lmfao i'd go pink pill just for the chillindude hypeman passive
Nobody's laughing at the Green Pill since DontTestMe hit the scene.
Hugs literally predicts DontTestMe at 6:50
Why Orange is S-tier:
"You are unaffected by sleep loss."
This means you can practice all night. Every night. Until you die. And you are always at your physical peak. You would become the number one player slower than red pill. But, you still grow exponentially over time, and stay at your physical peak until you (presumably) die of old age. Literally, who could beat you 20 years into your career? 50? You would be the goat of all goats.
Im so sad that hugs didnt watch avatar.
jochem tieman he’s never seen the little mermaid, his pop culture knowledge is limited at best
Black pill cures Corona you can't be inconvenienced by an event being canceled or having it done online.
Great content as usual Hugo. Been loving all the videos you've been putting out. Keep up the good stuff
I wrote off blue pill at first, but if you think about it, shine is invincible frame 1.... And I would consider using shine's invincibility an advanced tech. That being said, definitely red pill.
The useful thing about blue pill is you can do perfect shield pressure, perfect waveshines, any game on stadium you can drillshine infinite them in the pit for a free stock, you will hit all your shine bairs, all your pillars, all your armada shines, all your LEFFEN shines which pretty much gives you free reactions to any defense and perfect edgeguards on many characters. Perfect frame 1 shine out of shield. Always reflect Samus's charge shots and missiles. Shine into firebird off top would give you lots of kills. Blue pill is OP af
@@AlexRoseGames I thought they came to the conclusion that you will only execute them 100% perfectly every time but not necessarily hit every shine for example.. so you wouldn't 100% hit every Armada shine or reflect every projectile, right? You still need to time the shine, which isn't really part of execution.
Once you hit a waveshine on Peach tho, you can keep going forever.
Or am I wrong in this? :c
@@unterbawr I disagree. an armada shine's entire execution is jump just within shine range -> shine. A leffen shine's entire execution is wait until they're exactly in range -> shine. that's the fundamental execution of those techs
@@AlexRoseGames I would just call "within range" spacing, which, to me, isn't part of execution. Execution feels like 100% correct inputs and frame perfection, no?
I know they are given those nicknames, but that doesnt really make them purely execution based, imo.
Something like a ledge dash on the other hand is 100% execution based, imo
@@unterbawr but to perfectly execute an armada shine you HAVE to get in range of the flames and shine at the right time. if it doesn't give you the power to armada shine 100% of the time then I don't see how it can claim that description. I think the difference is like.. the other person would be able to stay out of range so you can't possibly armada shine them, but if it's possible and there's time imo it should be possible, it's a routine tech
I'm making a formal petition for hugs to watch The Last Airbender cartoon and learns properly about the avatar state
I thought it was about avatar the blue people...
If it was actually like the real Avatar state and I just say "Armada take the wheel" I would love that pill
Idk why people are upset he doesn’t know what “avatar state” is when it wouldn’t matter anyway.
The pill says they can only coach you
I’m curious that neither of them considered green and red. You get the instant gratification of being the best low-tier main in the world, but you can probably break the currently perceived ceiling of that low-tier. Melee changes every year, this combination could radically change the tier list and how we see Melee overall.
But that's the thing. You can only main a character below Luigi in the tier. Assuming it's the one on the wiki, if a red+green player picked Ganondorf and raises him up the tier you can no longer play Ganondorf because he's no longer below Luigi. You'll have to pretty much retire because you can't play anymore.
Assuming that all characters are available instead of just one the next question becomes how far will Luigi drop because of this single player? Luigi is probably going to be looked at as the worst in extreme cases and result in another retirement. I guess that is too extreme however and there is a chance that people will just straight up say "this guy is just too skillful."
Red+Green is good for if you want to go down in Melee history as some unknown legend who destroyed everyone at tournament and suddenly disappeared.
Red+Orange can achieve the same goal, but you are no longer restricted with having a single character main and don't have to worry about suddenly losing a character. Red can achieve the same effects just as a green pill with the only restriction being the time it takes to become the best low tier main.
The greatest combination is Green & Grey. You become a living highlight reel with a low tier. The content would be insane.
lmao love how in depth this conversation got. Really tried to take each idea to its fullest potencial.
Fuzz III announced
@@IMONFIREPLEASEPUTMEOUT that's awesome, I actually didn't know
I think the red vs yellow argument ultimately comes down to if you think Melee is a game that could ever be solved. If it is, yellow pill wins because you’ll get there eventually and have superhuman abilities to defend it indefinitely. If it’s not, red always lets you be ahead of the competition, so that’s the one you pick
I think Toph is HUGELY overestimating how good 3 frames is. He's acting like it's a full second or something. Game mastery is far more important than reaction times. Consider that Fox's spotdodge and Puff's spotdodge are actually 5 frames apart, 22 and 27 respectively. People STILL don't punish Hbox's spotdodges effectively because he uses them in tricky scenarios. Even though 22 frames is the shortest spotdodge in Melee (shared by 13 chars), even FIVE frames more isn't enough to react to perfectly. Being able to use your reaction time efficiently is WAY more important than just having raw reaction time in general. Hard work beats talent, and 3 frames is not enough of a gap to beat out working hard 3x as efficiently. ALSO if you are not at your physical peak, reacting 3 frames faster isn't gonna do shit if your hands can't keep up or you're already tired. You can arguably get 3 frames faster by sleeping right, eating right, being healthy, good mental state, etc. I feel like this shows the difference in mentality between Toph and Hugs. "I wish I had faster reaction times" seems like way more of a john than "I need to practice more efficiently".
Also I'm sad they didn't cover that Black Pill taken to the extreme could actually cure coronavirus. If you have no inconveniences to tournaments, that means tournaments are open again because nobody is getting infected. If someone hosted a tourney where literally everyone in the world was sent an invite, and you attended, nobody's getting sick, covid is gone.
What if after you pop the green pill your character goes higher than luigi on the tier list?
Can you imagine bringing a character into the limelight and pushing it up the tier list, only to lose the ability to play that character until it goes back down? What a tragedy lol
What if the pill knows the true, objective tier list?
If not, you should throw vs luigis
hmm. I suppose then you might pop the pill, and the character you pick might, according to the pill, be higher than luigi, and not work. Which would mega suck.
@@SoAsIWasSaying you continually bring every character above luigi on the tier list until luigi is considered the worst character in the game and you’re forced to retire
14:44 I laughed soo loud lol
Toph laugh is so funny and this Da Wes impression:" fuck him up" Gold
Heres mine.
S: Yellow, Red, Orange (the one I would pick!)
A: Blue, Green
B: Grey
F: Black, Pink
And If I had to pick a pair of pills, it would be Red and Orange. I love that quality of life!
Yeah, I would pick orange as well. Not only good for melee but life in general.
No hand injuries
No sleep loss. Way more productivity and you can still sleep recreationally if you want to. It's not like it forces you to NOT go to sleep.
Controller always works. It didn't specify any kind of controller. This is just good for anything that constitutes as a "controller".
and then more benefits of physical peak by whatever "etc." at the end means.
I think the orange pills migth be the most useful for life in general, but to me it still means you have to bust your ass hard. Like, what does physical peak mean? Do I get to push my body further than everyone ever has whenever I want? Or I just always hit the best my body can do?
@@kannalostherjaw.8693 I assume it means you always do the best your *current* body can do. Which means you can most certainly continue to get stronger and such but you're never going to be affected by external factors limiting you
Pink Pill is the hypest, I just want to be able to have Crush in my head at any time.
The pink pill would be godlike if you could get coaching while you practice imagine getting coaching from Armada while you're grinding melee for like 5 hrs
I feel like it could be a fun summit skit if they showed possible scenarios of each pills, especially with the pink and black pills lol
Then Core-A-Gaming drops a new video on the natural and profound importance of practice. Using this video as a cited source of what players cherish the most, right before going into a visual presentation of different choices and why practice matters.
I think that in general the red pill beats the yellow pill. As a new player, I'd get more mileage out of it. But If I were top 2 or 3 in the world, I would 100% take the yellow. Having that consistent extra 3 frames advantage is insane when we're talking about a skill level where practicing is starting to yield diminishing returns.
Blue pill is versatile because you can say it works for both fox and falco
green Pill. You beat don't test me, you become the first ever top 100 roy. You become a legend in the melee community, you stream beating good players as Roy. Im never going to be top 100 with any of the other pills so might as well take the easy route.
This but n0ne's Ganondorf
Hugo definitely practiced that bit about the pink pill before hand lol was funny tho
If you give mew2king the red and the orange pill he will basically become The IRL TAS player.
As a DK main, the green pill is a no-brainer.
Grey is at least one zero-to-death. We'd need to know about the chance for it to proc for the second, third or fourth time it happens.
Blue and orange pills are opposite. Blue means that with infinite running jc shine you will never lose a game, but orange means you could theoretically stay alive forever as long as you play lol
Edit: Have to edit to say they had the worst take on the pink pill. Literally dont even know what the word "can" means.
Downside of the orange pill: You will never be able to john again.
Something to add about the pink pill.
The "avatar state" lets you commune with the minds of DEAD people.
So, in combination with the "not just melee" loophole, you could be getting advice from ancient Olympians and legendary swordsmen
Not to mention JOI
WHO ARE YOU I AM FROM AINCENT GREECE
This was so fun, please more content with Toph omg
This is actually really good content hugs, you’re really gonna grow the channel here really soon
Being more efficient when practicing sounds Nice and all, but i don't see how you beat 3 frames faster wizzy
3 frames faster than wizzy doesn't apply to everyone. Someones fastest possible reaction time might not even be close to someone else's fastest reaction time. Yellow pill really depends on the person who's taking it.
Mind games. Maybe you reacted three frames faster, but you reacted to the wrong thing.
I wanna take the pink pill, but as an ultimate player I don't know how I'd feel getting coached from people in jail cells
If Orange Pill works for everything (not just melee) that's the most free pick of all time tbh. Imagine actually waking up without feeling tired already.
That Ken impression at 15:30 was kinda perfect
15:28 works better
@@nathan-lf7yc thanks boss
6:34 Secret out for green pill: It doesn't explicitly say the Melee tierlist. So, if you make a game with all the same characters, but make Luigi busted, or make top characters in Melee worse, you can play those characters now
I need more Hugo ranking content in my life
One of the great thing about the red pill is that you can be one the best in a world at one game with less time playing it while enjoying so many other things in life. However, I think the orange pill is the way to go. Playing at peak performance and hand cramps and lack of sleep is more of a long term and safe strategy that's more reliable. Knowing that you're always going to be at peak performance can make mastering a skill much easier, as you don't have to worry about repeating difficult or basic combos, because once you do it perfectly in a set amount of times in a row, you can always rely on doing that same amount over and over again.
Plus, if this applies to litterally any other part of my life, it makes everything so easy. Some things are a pain to practice and are better done consistently. I don't want to repractice math, reading, writing speaking so I can push ahead, I want to build straight up on the best version of myself right from the gecko
Wait so the green pill would make me have a better Roy than zain and when he improves I improve more so I could just pick Roy and just become amazing while not practicing like it is an easy A or B
Yeah it makes you better then Zains Roy instantly, but the downside comes when players figure out they can just stay on the side platforms and you can't really contest them
Ryan Keenan yeah I know but a huge part of playing a bad character is game sense so I can basically gain all of any players game sense with one pill
A "your opponent always bans and counterpicks the wrong stages" pill is a cool idea
The idea of the battle of red pill vs yellow pill was funny af
They also neglect the second caveat of the red pill, in that you can switch characters without missing a beat. Imagine if you could practice so efficiently that you could be a top tier Fox, Marth, and Puff main, and switch between them within a set. This is like M2K on steroids.
How are they evaluating blue so low? Touching Fox's shield would always lead to getting waveshined offstage into armada shine. Perfect shine oos and ledgedash shines give perfect ledgedashes lol.
Touching falco's shield would lead to a pillar combo into shine up b or jist shine instant bair
Toph's argument (and I agree) is that even if you execute perfectly, that doesn't mean your opponent gets hit by it. Up Smash out of Shine is useless if your opponent is on the other side of the stage. You could perfectly execute a waveshine, but if your opponent SDIs too far you don't hit. This is why Toph also said the ultimate cheeser would be blue + yellow.
@@StormySensei That is a good point but normally the players interact eventually and safe approaches on every exchange with perfect nair shines, dair shines and perfect pillars seem too good.
Silver pill: every matchup becomes as enjoyable to play as your favorite matchup.
"Damnit, Leffen is right again!"
Wait is yellow pill just Adderall?
that's the blue pill
Yes
Green and Gray is the ultimate content creator combo, no cap
Like a guy consistently pulling zero to deaths with ANY low and bottom tier, plus playing super good with unconventional characters, is more than enough for a long lasting TH-camr/Streamer carrer
play, defined as: "engage in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose." so if you look for fun in your life (you can work as well it doesnt matter under the best interpretation as i think the point you stop having fun doing something is the point were you get tired). Meaning essentially you would always be at your peak until the day you die. Under the absolute best interpretation, no sickness or old age can hit you and you would only die from something like asphyxiation, getting kicked with great force like under a drawer or with a fist or with non-pg grim artifacts, or shocked by electricity, or overheated, or freezed, or cutted, essentially like the elfs from lotr
the black pill would make you immune to getting coronavirus under the best interpretation as well as making it safe to walk in unsafe streets, but would just make you immune and the world wouldnt be cured of coronavirus, always used if you are always looking out for the next tourney. under the worst interpretation it would make you unable to be excited for a tourney/want to be in one unless you want to go into the "inconvenience" of meeting new, potentially dangerous or bad people making you, unless you quit looking forward to playing melee, unable to make new friends -and potentially being avoided by your current friends-.
How to tell if your fit is trash or drip:
Step 1: Go to a tournament and somehow get to Leffen
Step 2: Wait for Leffen to comment on your fit. There are two possible paths;
Number 1: Leffen calls your fit trash
Number 2: Leffen does not comment
If Leffen does not comment, it means you're dripped out the wazoo
Orange Pill cuz Caral Tunnel like aaaaa
...Caral Tunnel? Who’s that?
@@MadMaxBass This woman that's always attacking people's hands and wrists
Red Pill versus Yellow pill is the Batman debate in comics, sure X character can beat Batman because they have more power or are faster, etc. but all Batman needs is prep time and he is prepared to beat whomever it is.
Ill take the green pill as someone who "doesn't play melee" to be able to skip months/years of learning and training and just instantly be in the competitive scene 😴 id be pretty down for that 0-100 real quick
This was probably my fav vid from you yet. Good shit 🤟
Don't sleep on the green pill.
When aMSa took it back in 2013, Yoshi was #18
Luckily, the choice gets locked in when you pick the character
Which would you rather? To be able to retain info for a test or to already at least know what the questions are? No both
I think y'all are missing the second clause of the grey pill. If you know you took the grey pill and are willing to cheese the start of every game, it's not starting every game at 4-3, it's starting at 3-2. You ALWAYS get a zero-to-death within the first 3 stocks of the game? Stock 1: All that matters is that you damage the other guy, but don't cause a zero-to-death. Best case scenario, you take the first two stocks completely normally and don't die yourself. Then their third stock, you're guaranteed the zero-to-death, so all you gotta do is win neutral once for it.
Worst case scenario, you lose the first stock. Well, because you're guaranteed to get a zero--to-death in the first 3 stocks of the game, you now know that the next 2 stock losses have to be the other guy. He's already taken damage on the first stock, so you can't zero to death it, and once he loses it the next lost stock has to be the zero to death.
It's still not a great pill, but it's better than it sounds at first.
The “yo fuck em up” hahahahah
Pink pill may be underrated for training purposes. You basically have a library of all melee plays ever in your head, as well as the practice methods of all of them. That might cause you to improve faster than red pillby optimizing your training
Very interesting video and I agree for the most part, but disagree on the top picks. I think Orange is SS tier, after that I agree on Yellow and Red being S tier.
The thing that has never been talked about, even though all other pills were discussed and evaluated at their max potential, is the fact that with the Orange Pill, you are immune to any health issues, fatigue, injuries, which opens up a lot of potential. With the Red Pill, you can practice 3 times as efficiently (not practicing as efficient as possible as was said in the video, just 20min = 60min, but even if it also makes you practice efficiently as a bonus on top of it, it wouldn't change my mind), but with the Orange Pill, you can literally practice as long as you want.
With the Red Pill, if you grind for hours every day, you'll still be affected by health deterioration, which limits how long you can practice, if you dont want to shorten your career. I know it'll take a lot of dedication to do, but if you have someone willing to grind 15-18 hours a day of melee with the Orange Pill, or even more, since you're unaffected by sleep loss, the Red Pill will at best go equal in the short and mid term, which will already be hard to do, since grinding efficiently for 6-7 hours a day every day will have an impact on your health, leading to the Orange Pill eventually leaving you behind, due to superior health and consistency. But that's only for practicing, as when you actually play, the Orange Pill has a really strong advantage. So not only can Orange outgrind Red, but it also has an advantage in the actual game.
Yellow vs Orange Pill, one thing I'd like to say here is, that reaction time is highly inconsistent and depends a lot on your health, how you sleep, eat, etc. Orange will actually boost your reaction time quite a bit, too, since you'll actually get to play at your peak, every time, whereas with the Yellow, you'll still have variance and slower days, not always actually having your best day. You'll obv still react faster with the Yellow one, but Orange will still have a very serious impact on RTC, etc. Alone being able to focus well consistently thanks to the Orange Pill is OP.
Lastly, Orange on top of everything also has the best influence on your entire life as a whole, even outside of melee, it's a huge quality of life improvement.
Well, that's my opinion at least, feel free to disagree or respond with your own opinion, very fun topic.
Imagine Green and Grey cocktail, you'd be the most consistent underdog ever
Okay, so, you can interpret the Pink pill as infinite friendlies with every character whose ever retired, in which case it DOES actually have a lot of value.
Pink pill means nice people like Wife or Mew2king coaching alongside the SUPER MEGA ULTRA SERIOUS GAMERS so i would take it just out of curiosity but the other pills are better
Studies have shown that animals like birds with lower reaction times perceive time slower, so if you pick the Yellow Pill the entire world will slow down for you. You'll effectively get a longer life. But maybe it will be a more monotonous annoying one where everyone takes too long to say anything.
It's three frames. Nothing is going to change significantly in real world. In videocalls you have way more than three frames delay and you can keep a conversation pretty much normally.
@@areks4397 that's 0.05 seconds off your reaction time. Average human reaction time is 0.25 seconds. That's your reaction time knocked down by TWENTY PERCENT. If the science is right, that potentially means you would experience the whole of time and reality 20 percent slower. Your life would feel 20% longer. You would get better at everything like driving, skating, gaming, flying, catching, fighting, balancing, 20% longer to think in every situation
@@AlexRoseGames Some people already operate at .05 seconds faster than you or me, and I guarantee they dont feel any different. 20% sounds huge, but its still just .05 seconds.
@@AlexRoseGames Dang. Now I feel bad for not doing the math. Thanks for explaining that for me!
You'd need some of those friends that talk super fast lmao. I can barely listen to 1x videos on youtube, imagine at 0.8x.
@@gilgamesh5796 0.05 seconds CONSTANTLY. 20% sounds huge because it is huge. you would be hard pushed to find someone who is that much faster, I wouldn't be surprised if 0.2 seconds is 3.5-4 standard deviations above the mean. and you can't "guarantee" that, you have no basis to assume it definitely isn't true, scientific papers seem to suggest the opposite. There's no valid reason to assume time feels the same for you as it does for me. drive a car at a pigeon and watch how long it waits before it bothers to react, you and I would never risk that because we would die
42:59 Toph sounding like Bill Nye
There is an interpretation of orange pill not discussed here in that if it makes it so that you never play less than your physical peak then you could play perfectly by consistently raising those peaks. If you practice your reaction speed then every time your reaction speed increased by say 1 frame then the pill locks that in as your new floor. If you studied videos of your opponents' matches and committed them to memory then you would never forget their habits or style of play. If you trained your muscle memory for frame perfect options then you would never execute slower than frame perfectly. Each new peak becomes your skill floor which in turn makes it easier to achieve the next level of play as your body acclimates to the changes. You could practice for days at a time with no sleep and little sustenance to maximize training efforts since your execution would never falter due to the fatigue. Each time you played a person you would become better at playing against them, because with enough experience you could download them between sets and eventually even mid game. Over time you would develop Yellow Pill level reactions, perfect executions, infallible game sense, Psychic-like reads, and the definition of consistent play. Admittedly, the Red Pill is incredible and is a clearly dominant choice, but it's main issue is that it peaks lower than Orange long term. Red would improve much faster initially, but it will eventually plateau at certain intervals where practice has diminishing returns. Orange has the advantage in that as soon as you peak that becomes the new standard of play. Plateaus will happen, but they will be easier to overcome and require no practice to maintain. One of Red's greatest strengths is consistency which can never match that of Orange. Red's last great strength is its capabilty to constantly innovate the game, however, I believe Orange would learn from Red when it matters most helping to neutralize the benefit. Meanwhile, Orange would constantly improve your physiological limits until it were physically impossible to improve while never performing worse than your absolute pinnacle. You could also play well into old age allowing you to enjoy the game throughout your entire life without sacrificing your skill. Hence, If you take the Orange Pill interpretation strictly as its stated then it is certainly in contention with Red as the best pill. I personally feel Orange is the best for any player because with enough effort you could match or beat the abilities of any other pill. Of course, this is assuming the Black Pill doesn't have reality warping luck manipulation though lol.
TFW you take the green pill, become the best Doc in the world, which results in Doc jumping up the tier list, so you have to become a Mario main
I'd pay a lot of money to have DA Wes tell me "YoU'lL FoOk HiM Up" before each of my games
i took the black pill and met my wife.
The thing about it is that yellow pill literally shrinks your opponent's zone of influence, and arguably isn't affected by red pill practice because the yellow player is literally playing a different game. The decisions you have to make are literally easier. If you take it as audio reactions, the number of things that are reactable is crazy. You can land combos on reaction that other people have to react to from memory by visualizing ahead. It basically contains the read pill because it unlocks an easier to learn game.
I think y’all had a weird take on the black pill. I think it’s what Toph said at 25:20
They asked the guy who made the pill chart what it meant
Picking the green pill when Shroomed was a Doc main would be insane because there would be two Doc mains in the top 10. But then Doc would certainly rise above Luigi.
Being the best at every character below Luigi would be kinda cracked on counterpicking matchups.
Also pink pill is pretty good cuz avatar state stops time and you could literally TAS every game frame by Frame with armada asking what he'd do this frame lol
Hugo. Watch avatar the last airbender. NOW. That’s what the avatar state is referring to. Also thank me later for having you watch one of the best animated shows of all time.
14:39 pink pill break down is hilarious
"You'll fook him up" Oh god I died.
For someone like me who retired from full-time competitive gaming (NES Tetris) due to arthritis and tendinitis the orange pill is FAR AND AWAY the best pick. Quality of life skyrockets and I become a threat again.
Pink pill discussion had me rolling holy fuck lol
I'm picturing a show where players get to pick one pill each and they go against each other in a large tournament.
Yellow Pill vs Red Pillow is literal Sasuke (Y) vs Naruto (R)