MELEE'S HALL OF FAME (ft. Cody Schwab)

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  • @Tophbbq
    @Tophbbq  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FULL VOD: www.twitch.tv/videos/1936780281

  • @DigitaIJustice
    @DigitaIJustice ปีที่แล้ว +86

    I miss this old school melee talk. This game has SO much history. Being a doc kid felt like I was late to the party and now even that’s ancient history

  • @danielmango1806
    @danielmango1806 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    I love that you bring Typo up. He's been my best friend since college (2010) and rightly deserves the title as the guy who pioneered GOOD controllers. I happen to have been his play tester for many of his commissioned controllers, for Mango, N0ne, Swedish, Hugs, etc. So cool to see him destroy Home Run Contest now!

  • @poppinfresh1010
    @poppinfresh1010 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I think druggedfox was also the person to finally convince the general player base that pure reaction tech chasing is viable and worthwhile.

  • @andrewferguson6901
    @andrewferguson6901 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    If theres tech named after you, you're in. Bombsoldier suicide dair, amsah tech, wobbling, Johnny stock, my b, wombo combo, armada shine, etc

    • @andrewferguson6901
      @andrewferguson6901 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Similarly, anyone who pushed a character farther than anyone before gets in. Kage amsa and jmook for sure earn it on that basis

    • @Pwrplus5
      @Pwrplus5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      my b is my favorite melee tech
      that would also qualify the legend John himself for the list

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Pwrplus5 Putting John on the list would actually be hilarious, omfg

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@andrewferguson6901 I get what what you're saying about pioneering a character - aMSa and Axe are the two prime examples of players who are Hall of Fame contenders just for their character contributions alone even ignoring their competitive performance - but I feel like there is a line that needs to be drawn, tbh. And for me, Kage is *RIGHT* on that line.
      Like, EddieMexico and Abate aren't on the list despite their contributions with Luigi. Junebug is currently doing some wild shit with DK. But even if you pioneer a character and are the best at that specific character, there is only so far that gets you.
      You could can be the best Bowser in the world; discover brand new tech, and completely reinvent the way that Bowser is played. But at the end of the day, you're still playing *Bowser*. If you are unable to demonstrate that your innovations are actually competitive, then it only effects that one character, not the wider scene.
      Cody explained this when Kage was brought up: Kage did great with Ganon, but his tournament record was inconsistent as a result of his character choice. The difference between him and aMSa or Axe is that the two of them demonstrated that their characters - who were previously considered unviable at the competitive level - can not only compete, but actually win majors.
      Before aMSa and Axe came around, both Pikachu and Yoshi were considered worse than Ganon - hell Yoshi was literally considered a BOTTOM tier with the likes of Kirby and Bower until around 2010. Nowadays, however, both characters are solidly considered to be within the upper end of mid-tier/lower end of high-tier. Throughout pretty much Melee's entire span, Ganon has been considered a mid-tier. Yet the former low-tiers of Pikachu and Yoshi have won majors, and no Ganon has ever won a major.
      I genuinely think that if Kage had a single year where he finished top 20, that feat *combined* with his contributions to Ganon would be enough to cement him as a Hall of Famer. But his work with Ganon by itself isn't quite enough in my opinion.

    • @morganlak4337
      @morganlak4337 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Obligatory "actually armada learned the armada shine from KJH", but its not like armada needs help getting on the list

  • @jacoblunchbox9499
    @jacoblunchbox9499 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    im 20 minutes into the video and ive learned so much about the history of this amazing game. love this kind of content, really lets your knowledge of smash shine. hope to see more cool video ideas like this!

  • @TheEssentialHughJazz
    @TheEssentialHughJazz ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I think Ice definitely deserves a spot. I don't think you guys focused much on it, but he did quite well considering his location in a time before Slippi and even NTSC standardization. He, Armada, and Leffen were pretty much the faces of transatlantic Smash. Also, I think you guys missed Kzhu?

    • @TheEssentialHughJazz
      @TheEssentialHughJazz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great video, also! I really like the idea of a Melee HoF and would love to see it organized and set into motion. Just wanted to chip in.

    • @sameeyell2586
      @sameeyell2586 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just think of the “ice wtf is dat movement” clip.
      What a legend

  • @andresemidey9679
    @andresemidey9679 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Falco isnt a character for another 3 years without bombsoldier, that's fox brain at work.

  • @WTH1music
    @WTH1music ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Yeee yeeee. Love this idea. Very excited to watch this. Released right at lunch time eeyyyy

  • @kizzagaming6523
    @kizzagaming6523 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I know it was glossed over when I was there, I still think KillaOR, Dekar(From Australia, check his tournament results from 2000's til now), Kira(Think he did end up getting on at the end), Quetz from Australia(Specifically for Peach, doesn't get enough acknowledgement), Ekinz from EU. Forget who else I had on the day, but there was quite a few
    Oh that was the other one Cao (Caotic) Did a bunch of stuff in USA, was in the doc about it. And as far as I know basically launched and carried the Australian scene on his back for a long time

  • @Tmathh
    @Tmathh ปีที่แล้ว +11

    this game is so old there are entire eras that modern players dont know shit about thats wild to me

  • @jsw0rd
    @jsw0rd ปีที่แล้ว +20

    i love these videos but they make me sad i’m not the kid watching 2014 melee anymore

  • @123letsgopokemon
    @123letsgopokemon ปีที่แล้ว +11

    One player I dont remember you mentioning was KillaOR and his MTV True Life episode, that definitely brought a lot of players in during the MLG era

  • @JoeDan54
    @JoeDan54 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank god Fly Amanita got a mention, he gets overlooked a lot but he was amazing
    47:36 Wasn't that Royal Flush?

  • @byrne1807
    @byrne1807 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is exactly what I wanted to watch thank you so much

  • @ricardoludwig4787
    @ricardoludwig4787 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think professor pro at least deserved a mention, ut otherwise I don't see any big omission

  • @noisepollution4473
    @noisepollution4473 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So nice to see a list like this that values contributions to the scene as much as results. Just a feel good video all around :)

  • @parkerbutler5394
    @parkerbutler5394 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I’m not gonna lie Pengboys was a massive melee lifeline for me. I couldn’t always watch tournaments live so Pengboys was the source of tournament highlights for me.

    • @ThePharphis
      @ThePharphis ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Great compilation of streams in the slippi and pre-slippi era when it's just not feasible to watch it all. Lots of great things. Probably responsible for a good portion of N0ne's viewership successes

    • @FirePuff12
      @FirePuff12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I’m conflicted.. Pengboys stole so much content and screwed content creators as a result. But then there’s what you said

  • @muqmanor
    @muqmanor ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I feel like it's crazy to not put Bombsoldier in? Is he not the grandfather of modern Falco play?

  • @fisker25
    @fisker25 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    32:15 IBBW is actually crazy funny

    • @deeptochatterjee532
      @deeptochatterjee532 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We got a player in Manchester, UK whose tag is IBBW

    • @AlexRoseGames
      @AlexRoseGames ปีที่แล้ว

      @@deeptochatterjee532 sad state of affairs when you have to write "UK" after manchester

  • @Lannibal_
    @Lannibal_ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Javi is the reason I started learning fox tech in 2006. Dude was nuts, and so was his brother, twin.

  • @Rufus_BD
    @Rufus_BD ปีที่แล้ว +32

    30:24 In Toph's chat, someone asked, "where is pm dev team". That question shouldn't have made me as mad as it did

    • @J-WASH
      @J-WASH ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it is a valid point, how many
      melee players started with pm during those years?

    • @Rufus_BD
      @Rufus_BD ปีที่แล้ว

      @@J-WASH everyone has their own start into getting melee, I started with ultimate. But that doesn’t mean they get a consideration into the MELEE hall of fame. It’s not significant enough. Doesn’t it sound weird to put the developers of a Brawl mod into the melee hall of fame? They also didn’t make pm for people to get into melee. I’m sorry but it’s not a valid point

    • @ssbVanilla
      @ssbVanilla ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rufus_BDwow i thought you were mad that they didnt make it in, ive met so many people who got into melee through PM and its basically melee 2 so i dont see how u say its irrelevant

    • @Rufus_BD
      @Rufus_BD ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ssbVanilla I was wrong with being mad at the response, I don’t think I made that clear after responding to another commenter. I still hold the opinion that pm isn’t a significant enough to be considered into a melee hall of fame for helping people get into melee

  • @nicostein9875
    @nicostein9875 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That Javi clip does not look like a 2006 Fox lol.

  • @foosball486
    @foosball486 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dang, what about KillaOR in the MLG era? That MTV documentary is still the only mainstream piece of media on Smash

  • @tgamagedon
    @tgamagedon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kinda sad, that Hax$ made it in just by play. Deserved obviously, but I would've loved to see how you weigh his contributions. Between him pushing Fox and tech skill in general forward, being a big part of breaking down and communicating some of the more strange mechanics of the game and obviously the B0XX (and to what extent you think it's a positive development), but also on the other hand evidence 2 and becoming sort of a figure the more toxic side of the community was rallying around.

  • @duhsmith
    @duhsmith ปีที่แล้ว +11

    No magus? The real old heads know his contributions to the understanding of core engine mechanics is second to no one

    • @andrewferguson6901
      @andrewferguson6901 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah idk how you can overlook the number one chess playe-- nvm

    • @christomanci
      @christomanci ปีที่แล้ว

      the proto kadano

    • @seanathan1
      @seanathan1 ปีที่แล้ว

      fr

  • @jamesanderson1139
    @jamesanderson1139 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ken deserves the inclusion for knowing all the stages that would remain legal almost a decade early.

  • @mikec-c4m
    @mikec-c4m 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    bach is who got me into melee. I found his travel vids with husband and wife . A big reason to why I fell in love with melee

  • @henryst5
    @henryst5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    calling HMs hidden machines from Pokémon is hilarious, glad they realized they’re Honorable Mentions

  • @danielbomb1190
    @danielbomb1190 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I know there really isn't a place for coaches outside of DruggedFox because there isn't many coaches. But a really interesting person I think might deserve to be in the hall of fame as a coach would be Crunch. He literally is a huge reason Hbox went from arguable bottom 5 Gods to the top two end of 2016 to then the best player in the world for the next three years. Crunch's impact on Hbox as a coach was so huge and Hbox has talked about this several times, I think its worth the conversation. We aren't talking about someone who coached a lot of people which doesn't get him in as a community influence end but the one person he coached was the best player for several years. I think he should get in as a coach, or at least be considered.

  • @4sfield527
    @4sfield527 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Do a Melee Hall of Shame next

    • @mac_antonio
      @mac_antonio ปีที่แล้ว

      this

    • @XM618
      @XM618 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Too long

    • @yankees2864
      @yankees2864 ปีที่แล้ว

      Every transphobe and sex offender

    • @ssbVanilla
      @ssbVanilla ปีที่แล้ว +1

      best to not bring any more attention to 2020 banned players

  • @JtCoronaOnTheMic
    @JtCoronaOnTheMic ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Petition for Hanky Panky, the 5th greatest player of all time according to the stats (but really Prof Pro overlooked)

  • @ChristianTheChicken
    @ChristianTheChicken ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Only about halfway through, but y'all gotta add Dan Salvato (20XX TE), Anther (Anther's Ladder), NezModGod (controllers), and Fizzi (Project Slippi) for their contributions to Melee.

    • @JtCoronaOnTheMic
      @JtCoronaOnTheMic ปีที่แล้ว

      Loving that G-town got a mention before all of them!

    • @Murph_E
      @Murph_E ปีที่แล้ว +34

      If you're only halfway through, then maybe you should get all the way through before making a comment asking for people to be on the list, because Dan Salvato, Anther and Fizzi are on the list.

    • @ChristianTheChicken
      @ChristianTheChicken ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Murph_E Yes, and I am happy for it! :)

    • @SeriousStriker
      @SeriousStriker ปีที่แล้ว

      I find it funny that the guy who made Doki Doki Literature Club is part of Melee's Hall of Fame

  • @daxmoney5011
    @daxmoney5011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2008-2012 isn’t the dark age it’s like the attitude era of melee with crazy language and shit that went down which would get people cancelled nowadays

  • @adamwallace7638
    @adamwallace7638 ปีที่แล้ว

    a guy who just became a top player deciding the hall of fame, makes sense

  • @itsbmeGaming
    @itsbmeGaming ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm glad Cody had forgotten to come back to consider BME for MLG-Era. Who cares about that old fogie? 🙂
    (btw I'm just kidding. Cody actually apologized to me later and we laughed about it)

    • @Nawakooo0
      @Nawakooo0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh it's itsbme! From Twitch chat! I am cynthiayg

    • @itsbmeGaming
      @itsbmeGaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nawakooo0 yo!

  • @sdw-hv5ko
    @sdw-hv5ko ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God this video is so awesome

  • @connorfitzpatrick6571
    @connorfitzpatrick6571 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Edwin budding snuffed

  • @ssbVanilla
    @ssbVanilla ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i guess theres a lot of people behind hardware and software that could have been overlooked like maybe nez or def Altimor

  • @TimatoSaus
    @TimatoSaus ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I gotta shoutout AsumSaus as a next up content creator

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good to see

  • @p0kess540
    @p0kess540 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    didn't bomb soldier invent pillar combos for Falco? or at least be the first one to introduce that in tournament? regardless that's pretty game changing imo

  • @Str8jameson118
    @Str8jameson118 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The founder of Slippi wasnt on here in the Slippi era

  • @RIStar-ds7wr
    @RIStar-ds7wr ปีที่แล้ว

    I do believe that just for longevity Drephen should be there. He’s the oldest active player

  • @Cutrong1229
    @Cutrong1229 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where is Scar’s Dad?

  • @dusky6280
    @dusky6280 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where's "John" of "No John's" fame?

  • @jkassel27
    @jkassel27 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phish got snubbed for the Code of Conduct

  • @E-Brightvoid
    @E-Brightvoid ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lovage is my favorite smasher

  • @nickg8483
    @nickg8483 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Before seeing this list: GR Smash, VGBC/gimr, Kira are the three I hope get brought up

  • @supwithit
    @supwithit ปีที่แล้ว

    Simple way to be added should be if you have a fundamental tech or combo named after you,
    Like Chillin’, Zhu, Pc (walk), Mang0, Ken (combo), Wobbles, etc.
    yay. nay?

  • @Eclipse40
    @Eclipse40 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    about half way in, and feel like they going to forget SilentSpectre and Tang purely for wombo combo. Which is unfortunate.

  • @m8mZ
    @m8mZ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where’s hax 50:33

  • @FBBHRULEZ
    @FBBHRULEZ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did they mention Prog at all?

    • @kuni2330
      @kuni2330 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's under dark age

  • @squilliam7960
    @squilliam7960 ปีที่แล้ว

    TIL that Drephen is the Mitch Richmond of Melee.

  • @kylev1228
    @kylev1228 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does Cody know you can sort columns alphabetically

  • @jamesanderson1139
    @jamesanderson1139 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can srr a case for character ambassadors like Ringler

  • @MAXINE90000
    @MAXINE90000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Angelic thumbnail

  • @yas2ne19
    @yas2ne19 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for vid but would been cool to follow along with better editing like highliting when someone is added to hof and when we switch eras for example

  • @NesDaKid
    @NesDaKid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Silent Spectre is my goat

  • @andrewskylakos3585
    @andrewskylakos3585 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where's Gimpyfish without Gimpyfish I can't approve of this list imho

  • @TheFallGrind
    @TheFallGrind ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cody mentioning Milktea but not Emilywaves was a bit of a stinger :c

  • @christianmayonove6914
    @christianmayonove6914 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well there’s a reason traditional sports don’t rank hall of famers for the recent years. Toph and Cody are trying to determine the impacts of players from like the slippi years, but those are too recent. It’s impossible to see someone’s legacy only 1 year removed

  • @asadk895
    @asadk895 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know how Chillins been since his stroke?

    • @seanathan1
      @seanathan1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Watch his streams, it seems like he's been doing well

  • @xTheReapersSpawn
    @xTheReapersSpawn ปีที่แล้ว

    Comment for the algorithm...
    I'm a Toph fanboy, what can I say!? ❤
    Oh and an IBDW fanboy too!

  • @AlexRoseGames
    @AlexRoseGames ปีที่แล้ว

    Gideon who made smashboards. Sakurai

  • @SOCIALCREDITSCOREOVER
    @SOCIALCREDITSCOREOVER ปีที่แล้ว +1

    borp??

  • @franz009franz
    @franz009franz ปีที่แล้ว

    no ice is a joke

    • @franz009franz
      @franz009franz ปีที่แล้ว

      he's in so many top 20s having the chance to travel to 3-4 tournaments a year playing in a region without competition. his movement was absolutely insane for its time. he literally traveled once last year and beat aklo while being semi-active...@Gundice

    • @franz009franz
      @franz009franz ปีที่แล้ว

      plus his 2on2 successes with leffen @Gundice

  • @tysonmaddox1090
    @tysonmaddox1090 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does heeew count for all of smash cause I feel like he would count

  • @kipz
    @kipz ปีที่แล้ว

    gee i wonder why ludwig is in the thumbnail

  • @celestial_crash0
    @celestial_crash0 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just came here to make sure PewpewU was on the list

  • @an6ling
    @an6ling ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't believe y'all just dissed my bro jvx3

  • @DasGoodSoup
    @DasGoodSoup ปีที่แล้ว

    so why is he not IBDW now?

    • @lelouchdagoat4477
      @lelouchdagoat4477 ปีที่แล้ว

      He just decided to go by Cody now. His name was Cody Schwab on a lot of platforms for years anyway

  • @trickytristan1
    @trickytristan1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would definitely put TurnDownForWalt and Magi on for modern era, and probably also soonsay for either modern/upcoming

  • @AbigBlackcat
    @AbigBlackcat ปีที่แล้ว

    The melee documentary should go into the hall of fame. The amount of new players after that dropped

  • @kuni2330
    @kuni2330 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also Jackzilla and Chroma been around forever but Fourside Fights is such awesome content that I feel like that plus their contributions to commentary and TOing should get them on the "next up" list.

  • @wesleymcbob
    @wesleymcbob ปีที่แล้ว

    scar?

  • @shanepoops5993
    @shanepoops5993 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video I’m only 16 mins in

  • @matthewburnside9566
    @matthewburnside9566 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where’s Ludvix 😢

  • @joeykeilholz925
    @joeykeilholz925 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cody no bookmarks bar and no adblock? Very interesting...

  • @JadenSmithEyes
    @JadenSmithEyes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't believe they forgot Hax$ 😂

    • @Adantenshi
      @Adantenshi ปีที่แล้ว +7

      they put him in 2010

    • @seanathan1
      @seanathan1 ปีที่แล้ว

      he should've been in fr

  • @Nawakooo0
    @Nawakooo0 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok but where is Hax

    • @cheryldragunoff4129
      @cheryldragunoff4129 ปีที่แล้ว

      he is in there

    • @Nawakooo0
      @Nawakooo0 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cheryldragunoff4129 Nah it was a joke, I guess you weren't watching the stream. People kept asking where Hax was even though he was there.

  • @vddxr7240
    @vddxr7240 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the continued deletion of shiz from smash history because of religious views will forever be corny

    • @vddxr7240
      @vddxr7240 ปีที่แล้ว

      yea bro having retarded views on things (his right as an american) somehow invalidates having arguably the most influential set in melee history. makes sense@Gundice

    • @goodwoodstudios3440
      @goodwoodstudios3440 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A little assault and battery is fine, but don't you dare point out that men are men and women are women.

    • @chadwicktouchdown
      @chadwicktouchdown ปีที่แล้ว +13

      "religious views" loool foh

    • @vddxr7240
      @vddxr7240 ปีที่แล้ว

      quite literally is@@chadwicktouchdown

    • @vddxr7240
      @vddxr7240 ปีที่แล้ว

      smashers have the intellectual maturity greater than a 15 year old girl challenge (impossible)@@goodwoodstudios3440