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21:18 kinda blew my mind
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Lol
would've never expected to hear the words "ex-president gang signs" in my life
some deep lore lmao
@@LunarySSF2 LOL
little bit of context: the video released the very same day as the Genesis 7 concluded, timed to release after Grand Finals ended. That year's grand finals was Zain vs Hungrybox. While Zain won, I still have mad respect to release the video betting on the coinflip HBox might have won.
This is the video that introduced me to the smash bros community and I've been a fan ever since
Me too
Same
Me too!! is really crazy because i didn't know hbox now i am a huge fan
Same here
That’s crazy me too
i watched the hbox doc like 2 months ago thinking "damn they really hate hbox/puff. also there's a weird cult community for a 20 year old video game?" then i fell down the melee rabbit hole, watched a full hbox set, and understood everything.
now im a hugs86 dreamhack dallas 2019 world champ fan
hugs86 dreamhack dallas world champ fans unite
Only the realest ones know
I actually saw this doc when I knew nothing about competitive Smash so I can say that it is a good intro to the competitive scene for anyone who is new to Smash. It presents many of the storylines in an easily digestible and interesting way that is very hard to replicate.
Granted, looking back, the Mango downplaying is downright criminal lmao. It's especially ironic since Hbox hadn't won any majors in both 2013 and 2014, aka the peak of the god era, yet Mango doesn't get a pass when he goes just one year without winning any majors. Like I get that it was to build narrative, but it just feels a bit too much imo.
I don't think the documentary claimed that hbox had god status in 2013/2014. The documentary claimed that mang0 had a slump during this time which is a true statement, albeit a bit editorialized for the sake of the narrative, but it doesn't bring the doc down imo
Mango also sort of does it to himself. He has a history of slumps and talking about now wanting to compete. Hell, he's coming out of a slump right now. I think to people who aren't always in the Melee storylines it gets really easy to count him out because Mango himself sets the stage for people to doubt him.
Not that anyone should. Mango isnt a favorite of mine, but the dude is a genuine demon when he's activated. One of the best to ever do it for SURE.
@heartnet40 yeah, Mang0 is right behind Armada when people discuss the all-time greatest Melee players imo.
I've shown this vid to family and friends who knew nothing about Smash and all of them loved it. The Smash Doc is kinda hard to recommend to people with no investment since it takes more than 4 hours. You can get away with putting a 90 minute film on for a movie night, but it's a lot harder to get people to sit through a miniseries.
the gamer talk with the slurs and stuff in the doc also makes it hard to watch sometimes, which this doesn’t have
i found this video about a year after i got into competitive smash, and it got me to pick up melee, and over 3 years later this game has changed my life for the better
I’m from South America and grew up with nintendo games my entire childhood, Smash being my favorite including Brawl. I always dreamed of smash tournaments here when I was little but this is not the US or Japan in my case, and eventually I grew up and kinda forgot about it.
2019 I moved to the US and my hommies there loved playing Ultimate, which I got hooked really fast; this documentary popped up on my youtube some day, and I absolutely loved it. I found out about the entire smash scene and its history, started watching majors and streams durong the pandemic and finally migrated to Melee. In fact, I loved watching Melee tourneys even when I only played Ult, then I eventually picked up the game and I regularly play both to this day.. one funny part about this story is that I didn’t even know Smash 4 even existed even after I was playing Ultimate for a while lol (that’s how successful nintendo and the wii U were down here).
Hbox is a huge inspiration and I always cheer for him to this day no matter what, and that’s because of this video; picking up Melee during the pandemic was also an extremely fun and deep experience. I attended some tournaments including Genesis 8 in the beautiful San Jose, CA, and it was literally a childhood dream come true for me where I witnessed the Jmook arc, the n0ne stomp, the Fizzwiggle upset and much more all in person, so thank you EmpLemon!!
37:32-37:27 is the funniest part:
"In his time, there were four others like him. Now, there's just one" / "In his time, there were four others like him. Now, there's just Juan"
Hugo: “It’s interesting that the two biggest smash documentaries make Mang0 look like a dick”
Also hugs: “I coached Mang0 when he won, he didn’t thank me, but he threw 100 bucks in dollar bills and asked me if I had grabbed any. I think that was his way of showing gratitude”
Why do you think it is, Hugo? Lmao
It’s awesome how much Hugo appreciates the essay
23:40
This is what we come to the HugS channel for😭😭😭
I died at that lmao
On the bit where he sidelines Mango's god status:
This video was published basically at the lowest point of Mango's career where his results were on a decline, and he was saying on stream how he wasn't enjoying tournaments and losing interest in competing. Of course after his re-engagement during the pandemic and rise to rivalry with Zain et al it seems presumptive in hindsight; but if you were just drawing a straight line trend of his recent results at that point in time it wasn't as crazy a statement.
I'm sure most of the work was probably done long before this, but the video was released just a couple of months after Mango won BH9. Hbox himself had worse (and longer) periods of bad form during the era of the 5 gods, and there was only a very brief time during which his place among them was questioned.
It's intentional misrepresentation of reality for the sake of fitting a narrative. The documentary also ignores some of the other problems people had with Hbox outside of the game. It's certainly not some cardinal sin or anything, but it's pretty irresponsible in my opinion.
@@festeelerfan This documentary was made of the course of 6 months to almost a year I think Emplemon said. Documentaries never can be perfect representations. I think by the time Mang0 won Bighouse, the script was probably more or less finalized. He edited the video for a straight month and a half I believe he said.
I think a lot of people criticize the doc for bias, but the point is telling Hbox’s side of the story not the entire picture. Hbox had never been understood by the community and was perennially hated, but just showing everyone exactly what happened in a different light changed a lot of perspectives on the guy for the better. The reality y’all remember isnt the reality Hbox experienced and that was the entire point of the doc; hes no antagonist, hes just one of us we all decided to hate.
I think this kind of “why it’s successful” content is dope. Even though most people don’t create content, everyone has a side of them that wants to make EmpLemon-level documentaries
Mango was on a slump during the creation of this video. So maybe lemon assumed he was on his way out.
Yeah that's how I understood it
He always comes back
I kind of hate how many in the community only got this from the doc when Slippi came around after mang0 came back from a slump in 2018 while the video was made. Portraying Hbox as mostly a victim was for me the biggest misconception to come around when i entered the scene and sort of established this Hbox fans vs Melee fans relationship that made it miserable to watch Melee until Summit 11 as an Hbox fan with all the toxicity coming from older spectators who got a kick out of bullying us and giving us confirmation with our bias from the video with this.
But the part of the relentless harassment was very much true and we still see this degenrate amount of hate directed at players till this day be it at Cody, Leffen or even still Hbox
I'm definitely an hdoc kid. I was slowly getting more into smash and melee, but this vid brought me in completely. It may be biased, but the doc was not the only thing that was saying mang0 was falling off (11th rank) I really like this vid because it's probably one of the best pieces of smash media to show to someone who has never seen melee. I'm not really as much of an hbox fan anymore from when i saw the video for the first time, and nowadays I definitely understand why some people don't like this video, but it can't be denied that this was a very good and influential video for smash.
11th rank only happened like 3 years after the doc, in a period where Mango was genuinely slumping.
Immediately after the doc was the online era, aka Mango Zain Tier era, immediatley followed by Mango being the undisputed number 1 in 2021, and then his slump was genuinely only for first half of 2022 before winning like 5 tournaments in the second half.
Fuck, Mango won literally the two biggest tournaments immediately before the doc released (Big House 9 and Birthday Bash) and ended the year ranked 3rd. Mango was absolutely not falling off when it was released.
@@Celia_Dawn ima be honest i dont know melee time frames well, it was a long time ago, biases happen with everyone so idk. all i know is that before covid and hbox was pretty dominant, aside from zain ofc. mang0 was in a slump in this era, he had wins but had inconsistencies, the stuff the doc said was obviously biased but wasnt based in complete falsehood, thats my only point
I want to pronounce emplemon like pokemon
This video got me into smash during covid.
Okay so I didnt watch the video because I wanted to watch the whole uncut thing so I watched the vod on twitch instead. I think what's important to note with the "last of the gods" thing is that while the phrasing does make it sound like Mango stopped being good entirely, I think Emp means to say that Hbox was the only one still dominating the rest of the competition like the gods did in their time. Mango stopped dominating that hard, at least until after the video was out. So Hbox was "the last of the gods" in that he was the only one still dominating over everyone else, not that he was the only one still good at the game.
I totally agree that Hbox was really good for the game, but only in hindsight. When his reign was happening, a lot of the community seemed to be divisive and toxic, but his dominance allowed other players to push through and figure out how to make it a good fight. Hbox was absolutely critical in getting to where we are now, which is undoubtedly the best melee has ever been. A Pikachu won a major, a Yoshi has won a few. These are things that were previously considered impossible.
Those things were considered impossible mostly because Armada was still around.
@@austinuhr8459 I mean, those players are better now than Armada was at the time.
If Armada stuck around he'd prob still be up there, but he didnt. The meta has changed quite a bit. Modern Amsa for example would probably clap peak Armada. Not to say Armada couldnt get back on the grind and learn how to win, but the competition today is much harder than it was during Armada's time.
@@eragon78 Naturally, they're better now than he was then. But if Armada had kept playing, I'm very confident Axe and aMSa would not have won majors, and even Wizzrobe may not have (and I say this as a huge fan of all three of them).
It's not a coincidence that Axe and Wizzy won majors within a year of Armada's retirement.
@@austinuhr8459 Maybe, but Amsa also leveled up MASSIVELY from when armada was good. Amsa is legit a contender for #1 in the world right now, and he was barely top 10 when Armada was #1.
I mean, Amsa has Zain's number, and I think Zain would probably give Armada a hard time even if Armada decided to stick with the game.
This means Amsa only needs a run where Zain beats Armada, or Mango, or HBox, or Jmook and then he could win a major. And he's won THREE already, so its pretty likely that something like that wouldve happened, even with Armada still around.
The only person who beats Amsa in modern times consistently is Cody. (and to a lesser extent moky, but he doesnt usually get far enough to fight amsa in winners so its less of an issue).
Axe maybe wouldnt have won, but I definitely think Amsa still wouldve won a major even if Armada stuck around.
@@eragon78 Perhaps. Thing is though, for the majority of Armada's career (I forget the exact %), whoever won the tournament either was him or had to go through him. aMSa struggles against top peaches now; if Armada had continued, he'd be borderline unbeatable for a Yoshi. aMSa would have needed quite a bit of bracket luck to win it. Neither Plup nor Leffen won their first majors without beating Armada first.
This is really interesting. I just started watching this and also am wondering what it is about this video. It got me and many more into the smash community and have been a big fan since.
You raised his spirit so he raised everyone else's in return. That's such a cool story
Im happy that this doc introduced a large number of people to smash but it also presented a storyline with many assumptions as objective reality. Still great, but Could have been presented so much better.
It's like dramatization
Can confirm. I went into melee after seeing this doc with lots of wrong ideas. Eventually understood that this doc presented only one side of things.
People tend to think Documentaries are journalistic in nature, when they are not. They are always biased, it is the nature of anything that wishes to present a compelling narrative. The thing is that, you, may not like the narrative that is being presented, which is ok, but not presenting every angle is part of documentaries. The exact same thing happened when the Metagame doc dropped. People with biases watch docs that have different biases, and it is difficult to meet at the middle in those cases.
Then again if it wasn't so biased towards hbox and so dramatised it might not have gotten the traction it did
@Supertaldo916 yeah but metagame never straight up lied to fit the narrative like this doc did. Like saying hbox was the last of the gods is just completely false. Along with some other narrative leaps near the end.
Lmao you deserve way more attention man. Naturally funny… sometimes I don’t even think it’s intentional 🤣 28:00
Hearing the stories being recalled from the early days of smash in this story telling kind of way (just from Hugo directly) is fucking priceless. The mang0 dollar bills thank you is so real haha
EmpLemon was a fairly small youtuber prior to the first season of Never Ever, which this video is part of. He literally gained over half of his current subscriber count that year alone.
Armada was pretty annoyed with the documentary as well. In his reaction video to it, he described as the reason for him quitting as not wanting to deal with toxicity he was receiving as being a peach main that was the best in the world because it was a "floaty, campy, uncool character." However since the worst of this was buried either a lot deeper on the forums that were stateside or on twitter posts of chronic posters from over 3 years ago it got missed. Which doesn't surprise me considering the production schedule he had for type of content Emp was pushing on what was a small YT budget at production time.
Despite having watched this a couple times I didn't put together your spoof in this video until the karma struck. The visible shame at 40:00 was worth a good chuckle though you were ultimately right for why this is ultimately good for the community. It got a LOT of people interested and that interest generated a bunch of new blood that either stuck with it or rode it along to ultimate.
This is amazing seeing an og smash melee player make content like this. I love it Hugo❤️🔥
This video is the only reason like 99% of the people I knew in highschool knew about Melee and specifically they all loved HBox and that damn crab. It’s so bizarre what it did for the casual viewing of competitive Melee
This doc def did a lot for the scene but the original doc can’t really ever be outdone imo. Partly because wife’s interview in the original is arguably one of the best interviews ever done about anything lol
ive been an hboxfan since like 2016 and this doc made everyone appreciate him more i feel
Even if this video is very biased towards HBox at the cost of Mango and Armada, it serves the purpose of EmpLemon’s script and narrative. Keeps the normies watching.
There are a lot of people who say this video got them into Melee, and nearly all of them have also said they’re Mango fans now LOL
not what I've seen. From what I can tell, most people reference this video as how they became an hbox fan or a fan of melee in general. I'm seeing that pattern right now in these comments and basically everywhere else that I've seen this video mentioned. And thank god for that because Mang0 was already receiving enough recognition and love from the community at that time, while hbox was easily the most disliked and undervalued top player some years back. And he was hated for such a long time and for such lame reasons like cheating on his ex or playing puff to win, which I think is part of the reason why this appreciation piece was able to work so much magic. It was a chance to shut down asshole bullies in the community like Leffen for once.
@@Carvaka It’s wild because u call Leffen an asshole bullying yet Hbox used to be one as well lmao
@@aznbond3279 who did Hbox bully? I don't remember him getting banned for harassing others
@@Carvaka Asking the question at all shows your complete lack of understanding of where the community once was. Leffen was banned for a short time in Europe sure, deservedly so. Hbox back in the day was a shithead as well. He was often weird around people’s girlfriends and was an asshole in general. (They’ve both changed obviously) People not liking Hbox wasn’t just due to his playstyle lol.
@@Carvaka Hbox was sort of rude to other's in the 2010s from stories probably from getting used to being treated like shit.
I mean he is like one of the nicest guys to others now that he is popular but there is fault on Hbox still in the past and he wasn't just a victim.
I had already been a smash fan for a while when i first watched emplemon’s never ever in hbox. Incredible video, and every other video on his channel is just as quality. I’d highly recommend watching his “Sacrifices to the Church of Nintendo” video on stream as well because you could probably provide some unique insight on that topic as well.
I'm so confused how you just found out about it lol, this vid pretty much changed how most people view hbox imo. It straight up changed the scene
Really enjoyed this video Hugo
hey hugs! i love ur videos, im surprised u are doing so good with samus man. your absolutely insane bro. keep making these. keep playing smash 👍
41:30 Nahhh majority of fgc back then thought smash was NOT a fighting game and didn't deserve the spot.
This is the video that got me into melee
Voodoo Rangers got me escorted out of Red Rocks Amphitheater near Denver.
Still love em 😂
This documentary got me into Melee lol
love the content hugs, keep at it bro
This video was the reason i got into comp melee and became an hbox fan, but indirectly also the reason im now a mang0 fan. Mang0 is still a beast but yeah emp kinda went on the box side
I better see the Axe doc next ;)
EmpLemon is a god the title of the vid realllllly pulls you in
I could've sworn you already made this a video, or maybe I watched the VOD
He started with Pound 2019 to mirror Evo 2016
Biased or not, Hungrybox deserved some good press. I knew Emp wouldn't be entirely accurate, and it helped that I was already into Melee before this came out, having found the community since Evo 2013. So this was just sweet for me.
Before this documentary, my only real knowledge of competitive smash came from clip channels and general internet knowledge, and I had personally only done 2 free to enter form tournaments, one for early smash 4 (which I somehow made 3rd place… pretty much my only claim to smash bros fame), and one for the very beginning of Ultimate. After this, I had begun practicing more, Re-purchased Melee since my childhood copy was long gone, became a lot more aware of the figures in the community, and now I’m a lot more active in Ultimate tournaments in Central and Northeastern Pennsylvania, along with trying some Melee brackets when they’re available. I’m not gonna pretend this documentary is perfect, but I think it was a huge boost to the community right before online became the only option, and I think the view count is well-deserved.
Yes HBox popped off on armada at evo. It was just delayed.
Damn that would be a sick ass tag richard mixin
bro this is how i got into competitive,,,.... .
That’s a big claim that may or may not be true. Fun stream
Great response to the documentary.
as great as my response to this comment?
Nothing compares to a Hugs response.
Now the new Mang0 Melee doc has come out and outdone both docs.
I didn't know hugs was this funny
My favorite comment this far :)
Remember game store tournaments? Ya that's where I learned I'm mid tier skill at best lmao
So, he was hated because his pop offs? That's pretty common in Argentina. We are so much passionate. From what i heard he is born in Argentina. Pop off blood 😅
great video hugs keep it up proud of you
Think this doc has a great start and middle, but largely falls apart discussing Armada (who disputes that hungry box was a major cause of his departure), Mang0 who was still really good in 2019, and the broader fgc. Great narrative but it bends reality to support a point that doesn’t quite work.
I still think those are 2 misconceptions in an 1 hour video and that mang0 thing wasn't such a bad thing to say if Emp didn't follow Melee after Pound 2019 tbh because mang0 only came back after Goml and was still giving some not that great performances inbetween that him THAT guy with Zain online.
"New" indeed
0:16 he’s actually talking about hbox here
Bro on the thumbnail looks like a young Tom Cruise.
Richard Nixon would’ve main Ice Climbers
The sole reason why I first tuned into a smash tournament, Smash Summit 12, was because of EmpLemon. I don't think there was any bias in this documentary that increased exposure & interest in Melee couldn't shake off. Weird statements aside, a 1-player hero's journey was always gonna be biased to some degree lol
Crazy fact: Big House 5 was the only BH that Armada won.
it’s hilarious watching the sheer amount of cope in this from out of touch melee people
38:15 The problem with this argument is that the video released in early 2020. Before all that pandemic stuff really hit the world.
Me when I bought my first house. Now what. Property taxes it is😂
Admittedly i feel both of you are wrong with the Mang0 results because you cant judge a video that came out 3 years ago with results that couldn't have been available at the time, thats silly.
However the results at the time were not as bad as Emp made them sound, they arent like his peaks and Admittedly some of them look bad but one was a forfeited so he probably had something on his mind, his rankings and results were atill good.
In addition, he whole title of being a god, whilst a bit cringe, was more of an at the time prediction of who would benon top as opposed to truth, tbf to an outsider it probably looksnthat way but its not fully like that.
Popoff charades where you guess the smasher would make for great content
this video aint new its been around for quite a while but
I really wish you did Ultimate content similar to what you were putting out 2 - 3 years ago
I saw the smash documentary and thought it was INCREDIBLY biased.
feel like watching evo2016 yesterday.
Time runs..
My gut tells me Richard Nixon would main Falco
Richard Nixon be pulling off the most illegal combos ever seen and then claiming to not be a crook
The doc was trying to be somewhat unbias or less bias in the beginning and middle, but just totally lost it towards the second half, absolutely crazy takes on the last god of melee stuff
aww I thought there was a new smash Ult doc. about to enjoy tf outta this though
Does the goddamn richard nixon 😅😅
good video but to me it’s just not the same as an actual doc this is more like a really nice fleshed out video essay
Probably has something to do with an existing audience opposed to Travis' literal emergence from the doc. Emp dickrides the shit out of hbox but hey mangonation aint any different.
Hugs comes off like the toaster strudel girl from mean girls in this video. Idk
ngl i feel weird that when emplemon talked about how hbox fell off and claimed that people said he doesnt deserve god status for not winning a tournament warrants no reaction, but when mango doesnt win anything (because in melee it doesnt matter if you get 2nd 3rd whatever) everyone says this video is insanely biased. I agree the video is biased but like you have to see it from the other perspective where emplemon is simply looking at the numbers.
probably an even crazier statistic about Hbox is that The Big House 4 is also the only time he's missed top 8 at a major in his entire career
the part about mang0 wasn't good yeah. the rest of the doc is good shit.
His documentary was honestly my introduction to whole Melee scene. I saw it when it came out and had under 50k views as I followed Emp for his old YTP content at the beginning.
Its in general a good introduction THO the Mang0 comment was a bit outdated in the end and it kinda sucks that that comment especially invalidates the whole doc for many people.
I guess its because Emp himself admitted later that he really has no experience on Melee comp and just found the Hbox thing interesting, so I don't blame him too much on it. Also I guess because fuckton of other Gods were dropping out at the same time and Mang0 performing pretty bad at the same time, it might have looked like he was dropping off at the same time. ESPECIALLY if you didn't know who the kid was or hadn't looked into Mang0 more(especially when you don't know his history etc.)
Still, taking that thing off, the doc is great even in retrospect. The Mang0 comment just hurts it so much and is very dated.
I also recommend Bronol's docs if YOU(who is reading this) haven't seen them. Good stuff as well.
Regarding Mango look at it this way. Lemon's talking more about that dominant aura players like PP, Armada, Hbox, Ken, and Mango showed in the past. He goes 2018 winless, not great. He gets to 2019 and scores three wins which is great on paper, but these wins were less dominance and more scrapping or being the benefactor. GOML was a dream bracket and he was a sour spot off from losing to Swedish in Winners Quarters. Big House he was the underdog against Zain. Birthday Bash he dodged Plup and Hbox in Winners
They looked like GOML 2022 where Hbox narrowly beat iBDW and was the benefactor of fighting Jmook twice for Winners/GF and him double eliminating Zain. Certainly not given to him, but hardly a run where he looked like 2016-2020 Hbox and felt inevitable.
Anyway I don't agree on "questioning his God status" given M2K didn't win a Supermajor until 2018 and Hbox was shaky until 2015. I do agree that Mango seemed like more of a contender than a favorite up until he started keeping up with Prime Zain in 2020/2021 and got on a hot streak in the 2nd half of 2022. Look I'm happy to be proven wrong that he had a lot left in the tank, I'll hold that L with pleasure.
By being really damn good. EmpLemon hit it out of the park.
26:45 wrong, jmook is perfect
So was more of a smash 4 ult fan I was good for a causal I knew of competitive but wasn’t active in it but I got dolphin like a week before the video came out and then tried to play melee as I knew it was the best one and I grew up with it I looked up mang0 puff combo as I knew mang0 played puff at one point about a day after the video dropped I had watched EmpLemon for a few years before that so it showed up and I was like oh cool a video on melee that’s dope and after that I was hooked to the community I know much more now I think the worst take in the whole video was calling mang0 not a god but like he literally still was top like 5 in 2019 so it’s kinda cap other than that fantastic video
I’ve shown this video to maybe like 20 different guys and at least all of them have decided to try melee since I had a crt and a modded Wii and a couple GameCube controllers
48:30 im one of those people who is completely uninformed about the melee scene, and i’ve only seen this documentary. Ofcouse because of this I don’t really understand why people hate on hbox so much, but perhaps theres something im missing so if anyone could explain why he gets so much hate please do. (And ik he gets hate for playing puff but it goes beyond that, some people seriously hate him as at a personal level, as if he smashed their mom or smth)
i mean its obviously complicated, and there were times when people went too far, but overall, combined with the way hbox played, some of it also had to do with the way he presented himself. he always wants attention, he'll steal spotlights, and he always has something he wants to say, although he has gotten better with that recently. the other part of that is the stuff he said always came across as not being very genuine and theatrical/dramatic, like hugs mentions in the video. he also never really did a good job of defending his reputation, and he'd lash out at his haters from time to time, which to be fair is totally reasonable. i wouldnt expect someone to always protect their image or defend themselves, its unfair and doesnt really justify any additional hate that would come from it. there are times where it got bad but i cant speak for his experiences so i couldnt tell u how it affected him. its also always worth checking someones bias when they're recounting things, this documentary certainly had some decently strong bias. there's also just group hate, people will hate something because others do as well. its a complex topic that you cant really fully understand unless u also understand the history and culture of the scene as a whole to some degree as well.
"The Five Gods" is what hooked me lol. Such a badass title. Like the Four Emperors of the Sea or Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. Definitely some anime shit.
Too many people hate on this for no reason
I think him saying Mango isn't a God is idiotic especially after he won GOML and the Big House the year before.
@@rekt_yer_nan_darding_5788at the time it wasn’t weird. A god is supposed to be consistent and on the top of the food chain every tourney. Mango was slacking at the time
@@rekt_yer_nan_darding_5788 I suppose, but I think then the people who watch this look up newer tournaments to see what happens after the video, and they see how volatile this game is/can be
I like a good amount of this doc but the implication that Armada retired due to not being able to keep up?? He was up on Hbox in that year and still looked great while playing up to the end when he decided to retire.
And I say this as a Mango fan but let's not act like if Armada kept pace he wouldn't have been number 1 again and kept the field of play far more grounded than it is now.
The absence of more gods across time has allowed for those that remain to further cement legacies
Edit 1: also saying Armada of all people never faced the hate Hbox faced when he had to go up and be faced with a crowd who suddenly had national chants specifically against him or Leffen? For ten years? Biased
Armada more so got the anti european cheers and against his dominance but never to this insane hateful point like Hbox. The players and commentators all showed respect to Armada while there was a very clear tone on the mic when he played that badically encouraged others to belittle him.
The only time Armada got comperable hate was after he retired and mang0's trashtalk about him was taken seriously by some weirdos.
The mega bias in this community is so cringe
Lmao
Really surprised you hadn't seen this but really dope of you to look into it. One of my favorite smash videos, like many others who watched I assume. Still hate puff. Not really Juan, just... puff....
Don't clip that.
what is this title lol
based takes
If I was mang0 I'd pick the maker of this documentary for luds next chessboxing thing lmao especially for saying hungrybox is the only god left lol