100% agree I honestly find that playing most games at 20 watts That's you 90% of the performance and you can game for a good hour and I mean when you get older you don't have you know 5 hours to sit down and play games it's really something that I bought so that and when I have downtime I can just turn it on play Forza play ratchet & clank or whatever and then when it dies or it's time to stop playing or whatever you just shut it off plug it in and go do what you're doing and pick it up later on
This is such a good era for gaming, at least hardware-wise, between handheld devices, VR headsets, consoles, laptops, and desktops, all between $500-1000. If I were to pick a handheld, it would definitely be the one from Lenovo. The removable controllers mean that it could be used as a tablet so it would also be a decent solution for reading comic books. My only problem is that for a little more money, you can get a decent gaming laptop with a 4050 or a 3060Ti, then even upgrade it down the line. That's a better investment for me because I'm not sure for how long AMD APUs will be able to handle AAA titles, even on medium settings. The other thing is that I play a lot of strategy games, so an 8" display and a controller won't help much. I'm also very tempted to get something like the Meta Quest, which is much cheaper and a pretty good gaming/entertainment device when travelling.
I was thinking about ROG Ally but as I have full time job and 2 kids spending so much didn't make any sense so I just bought a steam deck and it is freakin amazing! Especially streaming from my PC works insanely well so I can game in my bed, and whenever I travel it also allows me to play most AAA games no problem at all!
Good call I love my deck and recommend basically 95% off people to get it unless you can put up with Windows or play very very heavy games like starfield or anti cheat games.
I've had ROG Ally since launch. Thing is fantastic and use it every night. Cyberpunk 2.0 phantom Liberty on the Ally is outstanding. No issues to report
@fresco_dinero5155 yea but when you spend almost 800+ on the device you would think it should all work properly. Imagine putting that much money out for a switch/playstation/xbox console and a feature of the device malfunctions on most devices. There would be far more accountability and refunds
@@Tyler-hs9eu my kickstand don’t work on my switch no more My disc drive on my ps5 doesn’t work no more My ESC key on my Mac doesn’t work no more Doesn’t make it any less of a product. I’m still able to use those devices. Nothing critical. Same with the ally. As long as it’s nothing super critical then you’re still getting what u paid for which is the most powerful smallest handheld. More powerful than a steam deck while being smaller and easier to hold. Also being way better at dockability being that the ally is literally windows so when u dock it ur getting a literal PC
@@fresco_dinero5155🤦 the SD card problem is a huge shit show of a problem, it's wank. Spending another £200 on a large SSD to work around Asus fuck up on a brand new decice as I did, is absolute fucking shit. The only reason I didn't return it is because I have a Steam Deck that works properly and the Ally is very much a secondary console to that.
Had a Steam Deck. Upgraded to the ROG Ally. Completely changed how I want to play games. I’d rather sit in bed even plugged in all day over sitting at my desk now. Being in my mid-thirties, comfort became key to everything I do.
if only ally can work out its sd card reader it would be perfect. now mind you mine still works but it's a ticking time bomb. gamers nexus unit sd card reader went out within days of their testing lol.
As someone who owns Switch, Steam Deck and had the ROG ALLY until recently. I would 100% say no at this time with windows handhelds. I’ve sold the Ally as it was just too many issues and the battery life makes it not worth it unless you are plugged in all the time.
I just use my Rog with a 20,000mah powerbank much more realistic use out of it , unless I'm just using a emulator usually can run those in low power and it's fine depends on your use case
ROG Ally running SteamOS has almost identical battery life compared to when it's running Windows. Windows is not the problem here, the SoC is just less efficient than the steam deck's one. Better performance, but worse perf/watt.
The two major limitations to these devices right now is a quality OS experience and a universal plug & play eGPU option. Ally has its expensive eGPU setup but Windows is still awful for handheld use. Valve has nailed the OS, particularly with SteamOS 3.5 but can't use eGPU. This from a Deck owner running Steam/Win dual boot... I would love a Steam Deck revision with a 2nd USB C thunderbolt port and eGPU support. For me that's the next big step... simple plugin desktop experience with decent power.
Steam Deck nailed the user experience but other devices have proven that Valve could have gone with stronger hardware. Windows 11 on a handheld isn't ideal and the ROG Ally has a far worse user experience than the Steam Deck, but it objectively has a better gaming experience with its higher resolution display and higher refresh rate. However, I'm probably returning the Ally and going back to the Steam Deck primarily because dealing with Windows 11 is so buggy and unenjoyable on the Ally.
I bought an Anker Powercore power bank alongside my Steam Deck. It was a bit pricey, but I believe my experience with the Deck has been more enjoyable for it. It fits in the strap outside the Deck's case, and so I can carry both around easily, and as a result, I've never worried about battery life. I've even bought a 90 degree usb-c cable to charge the deck while it's in the case. It's a pretty nifty setup if I do say so myself.
Going with the legion go for a few huge reasons. 1. The way i play is more relaxed on the couch laying on my side. I play my switch kickstand up and both controllers in each hands. 2. The screen is big and its a heavy device but with reason 1 that whole heavy system goes out the window. 3. Yes i do have a steam deck and i do love it but the biggest issue is not being able to play all of my games even dos box games. 4. I played with thr rog ally its light sure but its smaller and i feel like legion just out beats it by a few different thing's. The whole no vrr is not a huge deal for me as i honestly dont even notice a huge difference from on or off but thats just me. 5. Playing xbox pc gamepass games and other game hubs will be cool.
I own both an Ally and a Deck. My Steam Deck travels with me. My Ally is strictly either docked or used on the couch with power from the wall. While the Allys power is great, it's also it's greatest weakness. As an actual out and about portable console it's not great. There's too many little annoyances and one major one that stack up compared to the deck. Depending on the title and tuning I can get my Deck to last 5 hours. I know it's possible to get nearer to 6 with even lighter titles and really low TDPs. The Ally is at best a 3 hr device on really light stuff. Asus and Valve tuned their APUs in entirely different ways.
I have a steamdeck and don't plan to buy another handheld pc for awhile. I mostly use it for emulation anyway. My 4090 gets the eat on the triple a games. 😎
As an ally owner yes they are but its not for pickup and play gamers its for pc gamers. Unless Microsoft Amd and Nvidia can all work with developers to set a standard like game consolea have it will still be a core gamers device rather than replace something like the switch/Xbox
Unless Windows fundamentally changes, it won't be the OS of choice of any good handheld. Steam Deck will be better until windows stays the way it is, sadly.
Asus rog ally has been my dream come true. Honestly and the way Asus supports this thing is amazing. Not to mention the performance is so much better than the steam deck and switch and has much better dockability.
@@Scatner is this an “Asus isn’t American so they’re bad thing” or have u genuinely ordered an Asus product that was not functional at all and they didn’t help you I don’t want other peoples stories, I want your story. Cuz I’ve been ordering from Asus for years and haven’t had no REAL issue
@@calculator91 sd card isn’t stopping you from using the device and playing games. Says nothing about the quality if you can still use the device for what it is intended for
Hardware without good, seamless software is almost meaningless, this is where the Steam Deck and Switch shine. They just work out of the box and I'd say the Deck still has a couple issues here and there as I have one but mostly happens when plugged to a TV its not as fast or intuitive as the Switch but its getting there, maybe after a few revisions and updates. Portable wise its almost perfect and I'm glad Valve chose a custom Linux distro for it.
I' say it works the other way around. What good is the best software when you're actually playing games? I want my game playing device to play games as well as possible. I sold my switch so I could just emulate the games because it runs so poorly.
@@tbunreall the Switch has been stretched as far as it can thanks to good optimization and NVN api. The point is devices like Rog Ally are leaving some performance on table because of Windows OS heavy requirements and also could use a more friendly UI specific to portable devices? I'm not talking about high end PC's where optimizations almost don't matter because you can just upgrade.
Weren't there a lot if issues with the Steam Deck that were solved by installing Windows!? Almost all of the difference in price between the Deck and the Ally is the cost if Windows.
Well thanks to Asus they’re doing the exact opposite. They’ve been transparent and were getting updates like every 2 weeks. In fact were getting a new bios update that will improve performance even more on 10/12
Windows is regularly updated with drivers and OS updates. But really,in BOTH cases it isn't about trusting Steam Or Microsoft for the OS, but trusting AMD for the drivers! Personally, I don't want to EVER have to put trust in AMD ESPECIALLY for drivers, and the fiasco with the Ally power levels early on is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
From a business perspective I wonder if Valve has a bigger incentive for very long term support of the steamdeck. Bigger user base. Also those users continue to generate money for Valve with every steam purchase. With Asus they'll make money off the initial sale, but that's where it ends. I'm sure Asus will support Ally for a couple years, but I'd put money on Valve supporting steamdeck longer than the Ally is support3d by Asus
Having owned a steam device, steam streaming device, and a steam controller. Also having played half life 2 and episode 2. i can assure you that valve does not support anything long term or care about gamers.
ROG Ally, Legion Go, AyaNeo, OneXPlayer, GPD, and others will never have the long term support, community support or customer service the Steam Deck has. Just saying. Valve is treating the Deck like a console where you won't get a new one anytime soon. But you do have the community support which consoles don't and will never have due to their locked down ecosystems. Next year Asus will sell you a ROG Ally 2 with an AMD 8000 apu and drop support for the Ally like they do with their laptops. Not to mention all of the baked in software they come with like Armory Crate is hot garbage.
The Ally will at least be supported by handheld Linux operating systems like ChimeraOS and Bazzite for anyone who already purchased from Asus, but yes the Steam Deck is probably the better choice.
oh really? i can afford all the future handhelds so that's no problem forme , my problem is those steam PIXELATED deck fanboy can't accept the fact that their machine was ancient
I am simply waiting to see what the Switch 2 can deliver in terms of features and perfomance, before deciding on choosing between that and any hybrid PC. If the Switch 2 is not backwards compatible and at least powerful as these devices; I will skip it in favor if what ever is the best one by then. Anyone buying these hybrid PCs bow; is paying a premium to be an early adopter for what the Switch 2 could be; so it best to wait.
Not buying any handheld, windows or otherwise, until it's the size and form factor of at least the original PSP (if not the PSP GO) with passive cooling and equivalent or better battery life to a PSP. The PSP is STILL the best portable handheld experience almost twenty years later.
The lack of potential advancement is my argument for this as well, we're getting to the point we're not going to squeeze more out of lower wattages, even PC is hitting limtis without changing the way stuff is done more then putting more raw horsepower behind it. Battery Life isn't much of an issue, I'd be playing plugged in, on the couch or something just to chill, and probably not playing large tripple A games anyway, more casual. I haven't got one yet, but considering it. I wouldn't be using it to play cyberpunk and stuff like that most likely but more indie backlog or more chill games that I can play while laying on the couch or in bed.
Can you guys make a video about Payday 3? Especially on consoles since there's a few graphics settings that arent exactly clear about what they are. Anti-Aliasing has settings ranging from "Off, FXAA, Performance, and Quality" and also an Upscaling setting ranging from "Native, Quality, Balanced, Performance and Ultra Performance"... would love to know exactly how these effect gameplay on consoles. Thanks guys! 👍🏼
Also it has a smaller community and at least in Europe i can't find them in any local stores. I'd prefer purchasing locally than importing so I can have some in person assistance in case I face any issues
1600p is nice right? Yes, it's more pixels then you want and it's costing power any way you cut it. BUT, playing games at 800p means it can do an integer upscale to get still good looking experience just as if the screen would be 800p. Playing 720p / 800p on a 1080p display like the ROG Ally would mean you always have scaling softness.
Scaling is not really that important, we're very deep into the temporal reconstruction era of rendering, so having a proper integer scaling is meaningless outside pixel 2D games, and those games are easy enough to run that you can always run native. You can use any internal resolution with the ally screen in 3D games, just use FSR2 or TAA and there you go, gonna be way better than a Switch image quality wise no matter what you do anyway.
@@steel5897 Fair point, but the amount of games actually having FSR2 built in and working isn't that high, and most games have something like internal resolution / screen resolution, but that's just bilinear scaling, no temporal upscaling like TAAU or TSR for most games. And looking at 800p perfectly doubled on a 1600p screen looks less blurry than 800p bilinearly scaled to 1080p. You are absolutely right that if there is some sort of modern temporal upscaling going on (without wrong implementations with the fizzle and the ghosting :wink:) that it doesn't matter as much.
Hey @DC Clips please let us know how Warhammer Darktide runs on these handhelds. It probably looks better running at 800p than how it appears on console.😝 All joking aside we a video!
Had the ally but the buggy asus software and frying sd cards I sold it and preordered legion go.from the videos I seen it looks like legion is doing really well in the performance wise way better than Rog ally even tho it’s same chip but faster ram
Just an odd comment. "Do you really want to play triple A games with anything less than the best possible performance?" If you're in this train of thought, then you want a PC or console. Portable gaming handhelds with only 1 hour battery life is even worse than those gaming "laptops" of yester-year with 30 min battery life. Tethering yourself to an outlet or weighing yourself down with multiple battery packs just seems counter to what the general purpose of PORTABLE gaming handheldd devices should be.
Most, if not all of these handheld PCs are not worth it at their current form right now (including the Steam Deck), simply because of the mediocre battery life. We’ll see in the next few years if we can get better battery tech developed.
And I never found the battery life lacking on my deck to be honest. It all depends on what you expect to do with it. But I never game so long that the battery is an issue.
@@jorismak Most of the people want all and everything and for 200 bucks. Otherwise they whine. Nomatter what you offer. If they can't play CP2077 on SD/ROgAlly for like 5 hours with 60 fps high setting - the device is bad
@@jorismak I do. Different people, different experiences. Doesn’t mean that it’s not an issue. People only accept how it is because it’s an unsolvable problem right now. There is no world where portable devices are okay with only 1h30min battery life, we just accept it for what it is because it’s the best we can get right now.
@@Scatner There is no world where portable devices are okay with only 1h30min battery life, we just accept it for what it is because it’s the best we can get right now. Quit being a fanboy and be honest with your reviews, there’s clearly rooms for improvements here, at least in another few years.
Windows handhelds are useless as long as Windows doesn’t support quick suspend and quick resume. That’s the killer feature on the Deck, I won’t ever play any game on a device that doesn’t support it I’m that spoiled by it.
I use quick suspe d and resume on my gaming laptops, works perfectly well except for inside games, and even then it mostly works fine. All of these supposed reasons why the Steam Deck is superior are just completely deflated by the massive popularity of Windows gaming laptops.
I don't get why mobile geforce now never comes up in the handheld discussions. I get that some people need something they can play on a train , but most people just want to game in bed. All these handhelds are way overpriced for the experience they offer, except maybe the steamdeck, but one and a half the price of a home console, just to have to put up with low resolutions at 30fps on awful displays with abysmal battery life seems like a terrible deal to me.
i would wait until the lenovo go is out and see the real world use. not having VRR for screen tearing is huge for me. they claim it's not needed due to having only a 60hz screen vs 120hz on the ally which has vrr. but we'll see. if its not an issue after launch and it performs well i may sell my ally and get it or just wait for some thing better down the road.
I honestly can't even tell the difference from vrr on or off. I've watched comparisons videos. Not a big deal breaker for myself. Plus I'm sure I've been gaming with no vrr and was perfectly fine and having a good time.
Steam OS > Wintendo Repairability...?! Leaving and continuing a game instantly? If I really want to push performance and visuals I can always stream games from my pc to anything. Even the desktop experience on the Steam deck is awesome out of the box, touch pads also helps a lot.
Definitely an upgrade over the deck even in size it makes more sense for me and my girl’s hands. Either way playing your games while at your job or at lunch is un matched.
They are not, they will be "old" too quickly, Steam Deck can't run the recent games without struggling or using FSR to handle it. And the hardware updates will be annual, same as the Smartphones, not good for who wants to play for 5 years without changing the hardware to something new. And the battery is other point that makes these PC's not good to have.
@@MrMorotep nintendo don't liko share but other handheld do roughly the same thing and play the same gamese t ie steam. PSP had games strictly for itself until they got ported to Playstation years later.
Exclusives that were downgrades of console games or original games that were a generation or two behind a home machine. You can recreate that experience by playing retro style or retro games.
Or buy a gaming laptop. Their hybrid pcs are not realistic as portables with that kind of battery life. Not worth carrying battery banks to just see what a powerful yet chunky hybrid PC can do for under 2 hours. Laptops now have better battery life than they did in 2017.
Switch at this point is too weak sure it has good battery life but when you have games like MK1 trying to run it's not a great experience. Unless you only want to play Nintendo exclusives and even some of those have pretty poor FPS. Devices like the Steam Deck or Ally have plenty of power but that comes at the price of poor battery performance.
I have the qlly with the xg mobile....i LOVE it. Wont be getting rid of it anytime soon. Im at work 12 hours a day and game for about 7 soooooo....im always on it 😂
Have the Ally, 100% worth it, it has changed my gaming habits for the better. Away from the office, around family more.
100% agree I honestly find that playing most games at 20 watts That's you 90% of the performance and you can game for a good hour and I mean when you get older you don't have you know 5 hours to sit down and play games it's really something that I bought so that and when I have downtime I can just turn it on play Forza play ratchet & clank or whatever and then when it dies or it's time to stop playing or whatever you just shut it off plug it in and go do what you're doing and pick it up later on
This is such a good era for gaming, at least hardware-wise, between handheld devices, VR headsets, consoles, laptops, and desktops, all between $500-1000. If I were to pick a handheld, it would definitely be the one from Lenovo. The removable controllers mean that it could be used as a tablet so it would also be a decent solution for reading comic books. My only problem is that for a little more money, you can get a decent gaming laptop with a 4050 or a 3060Ti, then even upgrade it down the line. That's a better investment for me because I'm not sure for how long AMD APUs will be able to handle AAA titles, even on medium settings. The other thing is that I play a lot of strategy games, so an 8" display and a controller won't help much. I'm also very tempted to get something like the Meta Quest, which is much cheaper and a pretty good gaming/entertainment device when travelling.
Richard innocently gesturing the mouse 0:55
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Yeah, weird movements. 😂
@@biorumthats what the legion go mouse looks like.
I was thinking about ROG Ally but as I have full time job and 2 kids spending so much didn't make any sense so I just bought a steam deck and it is freakin amazing! Especially streaming from my PC works insanely well so I can game in my bed, and whenever I travel it also allows me to play most AAA games no problem at all!
Good call I love my deck and recommend basically 95% off people to get it unless you can put up with Windows or play very very heavy games like starfield or anti cheat games.
These PC handhelds remind me of the Game Gear / Atari Lynx days with the size of them and crazy battery solutions.
I actually held a genuine Lynx last weekend. The screen is sooooo small compared to the body.
I've had ROG Ally since launch. Thing is fantastic and use it every night. Cyberpunk 2.0 phantom Liberty on the Ally is outstanding. No issues to report
I love mine as well but the SD card issue is a huge pain
@@Tyler-hs9eusd card is 2% of the total device, a very minor pain especially when you have a very easy way to swap the ssd and upgrade storagge😊
@fresco_dinero5155 yea but when you spend almost 800+ on the device you would think it should all work properly. Imagine putting that much money out for a switch/playstation/xbox console and a feature of the device malfunctions on most devices. There would be far more accountability and refunds
@@Tyler-hs9eu my kickstand don’t work on my switch no more
My disc drive on my ps5 doesn’t work no more
My ESC key on my Mac doesn’t work no more
Doesn’t make it any less of a product. I’m still able to use those devices. Nothing critical. Same with the ally. As long as it’s nothing super critical then you’re still getting what u paid for which is the most powerful smallest handheld. More powerful than a steam deck while being smaller and easier to hold. Also being way better at dockability being that the ally is literally windows so when u dock it ur getting a literal PC
@@fresco_dinero5155🤦 the SD card problem is a huge shit show of a problem, it's wank. Spending another £200 on a large SSD to work around Asus fuck up on a brand new decice as I did, is absolute fucking shit. The only reason I didn't return it is because I have a Steam Deck that works properly and the Ally is very much a secondary console to that.
Had a Steam Deck. Upgraded to the ROG Ally. Completely changed how I want to play games. I’d rather sit in bed even plugged in all day over sitting at my desk now. Being in my mid-thirties, comfort became key to everything I do.
if only ally can work out its sd card reader it would be perfect. now mind you mine still works but it's a ticking time bomb. gamers nexus unit sd card reader went out within days of their testing lol.
@@RyanLBC and who the fuck on 2023 gaming using slow sd card? i'd rather change my ssd to 2tb for mooth gaming experienced
As someone who owns Switch, Steam Deck and had the ROG ALLY until recently.
I would 100% say no at this time with windows handhelds.
I’ve sold the Ally as it was just too many issues and the battery life makes it not worth it unless you are plugged in all the time.
I just use my Rog with a 20,000mah powerbank much more realistic use out of it , unless I'm just using a emulator usually can run those in low power and it's fine depends on your use case
ROG Ally running SteamOS has almost identical battery life compared to when it's running Windows. Windows is not the problem here, the SoC is just less efficient than the steam deck's one. Better performance, but worse perf/watt.
@@arekb5951do you want power or battery life? Can’t have both
@@JustMikeBro You can..? Why not play at 15 watts when out, and bump to the max when plugged in at home
@@tbunreall that’s what I’m saying you can’t have full power on battery
The two major limitations to these devices right now is a quality OS experience and a universal plug & play eGPU option.
Ally has its expensive eGPU setup but Windows is still awful for handheld use.
Valve has nailed the OS, particularly with SteamOS 3.5 but can't use eGPU.
This from a Deck owner running Steam/Win dual boot... I would love a Steam Deck revision with a 2nd USB C thunderbolt port and eGPU support.
For me that's the next big step... simple plugin desktop experience with decent power.
Steam Deck nailed the user experience but other devices have proven that Valve could have gone with stronger hardware. Windows 11 on a handheld isn't ideal and the ROG Ally has a far worse user experience than the Steam Deck, but it objectively has a better gaming experience with its higher resolution display and higher refresh rate. However, I'm probably returning the Ally and going back to the Steam Deck primarily because dealing with Windows 11 is so buggy and unenjoyable on the Ally.
I bought an Anker Powercore power bank alongside my Steam Deck. It was a bit pricey, but I believe my experience with the Deck has been more enjoyable for it. It fits in the strap outside the Deck's case, and so I can carry both around easily, and as a result, I've never worried about battery life. I've even bought a 90 degree usb-c cable to charge the deck while it's in the case. It's a pretty nifty setup if I do say so myself.
got the same power bank, i use it with my ally and steam deck but it was very pricey
@@michaelm3512 How many times can you charge ROG Ally with Anker Powerbank 747? Thanks
@@zacthegamer6145it can charge it from 0 to a full charge 2 times
I honestly don't understand why only a person or two talk about repairability and longevity.
Some people need repairability cause they can’t buy a new handheld every year and want to use it for years
Maybe if they were running on W10 instead of the shitty W11
Going with the legion go for a few huge reasons. 1. The way i play is more relaxed on the couch laying on my side. I play my switch kickstand up and both controllers in each hands. 2. The screen is big and its a heavy device but with reason 1 that whole heavy system goes out the window. 3. Yes i do have a steam deck and i do love it but the biggest issue is not being able to play all of my games even dos box games. 4. I played with thr rog ally its light sure but its smaller and i feel like legion just out beats it by a few different thing's. The whole no vrr is not a huge deal for me as i honestly dont even notice a huge difference from on or off but thats just me. 5. Playing xbox pc gamepass games and other game hubs will be cool.
I own both an Ally and a Deck. My Steam Deck travels with me. My Ally is strictly either docked or used on the couch with power from the wall. While the Allys power is great, it's also it's greatest weakness. As an actual out and about portable console it's not great. There's too many little annoyances and one major one that stack up compared to the deck.
Depending on the title and tuning I can get my Deck to last 5 hours. I know it's possible to get nearer to 6 with even lighter titles and really low TDPs. The Ally is at best a 3 hr device on really light stuff. Asus and Valve tuned their APUs in entirely different ways.
I have a steamdeck and don't plan to buy another handheld pc for awhile. I mostly use it for emulation anyway. My 4090 gets the eat on the triple a games. 😎
As an ally owner yes they are but its not for pickup and play gamers its for pc gamers.
Unless Microsoft Amd and Nvidia can all work with developers to set a standard like game consolea have it will still be a core gamers device rather than replace something like the switch/Xbox
Unless Windows fundamentally changes, it won't be the OS of choice of any good handheld. Steam Deck will be better until windows stays the way it is, sadly.
The Rog is the reason I recently started gaming on computer I haven’t used my Xbox Series X or PS5 since other than streaming the to the Rog
What is understand is the RDN2 iGPU is still starved of memory bandwidth.
Thinking of getting the legion
Really interested in one of these devices, gonna wait for the Lenovo to see comparisons but right now I’m leaning towards the Ally
Asus rog ally has been my dream come true. Honestly and the way Asus supports this thing is amazing. Not to mention the performance is so much better than the steam deck and switch and has much better dockability.
lol...Asus support...a good one ye
@@Scatner is this an “Asus isn’t American so they’re bad thing” or have u genuinely ordered an Asus product that was not functional at all and they didn’t help you
I don’t want other peoples stories, I want your story. Cuz I’ve been ordering from Asus for years and haven’t had no REAL issue
@@fresco_dinero5155while I’m glad that they seem to be supporting the Rog Ally well Asus doesn’t have the best track record with device support.
Sd card issue is a pretty huge blow to the quality of the product imo. I'd have an ally by now otherwise.
@@calculator91 sd card isn’t stopping you from using the device and playing games. Says nothing about the quality if you can still use the device for what it is intended for
Hardware without good, seamless software is almost meaningless, this is where the Steam Deck and Switch shine. They just work out of the box and I'd say the Deck still has a couple issues here and there as I have one but mostly happens when plugged to a TV its not as fast or intuitive as the Switch but its getting there, maybe after a few revisions and updates. Portable wise its almost perfect and I'm glad Valve chose a custom Linux distro for it.
I' say it works the other way around. What good is the best software when you're actually playing games? I want my game playing device to play games as well as possible. I sold my switch so I could just emulate the games because it runs so poorly.
@@tbunreall the Switch has been stretched as far as it can thanks to good optimization and NVN api. The point is devices like Rog Ally are leaving some performance on table because of Windows OS heavy requirements and also could use a more friendly UI specific to portable devices? I'm not talking about high end PC's where optimizations almost don't matter because you can just upgrade.
Weren't there a lot if issues with the Steam Deck that were solved by installing Windows!? Almost all of the difference in price between the Deck and the Ally is the cost if Windows.
0:58 not Richard's best on screen moment
I trust Valve one million times more than ASUS/Lenovo to support their product after they take my money
Well thanks to Asus they’re doing the exact opposite. They’ve been transparent and were getting updates like every 2 weeks. In fact were getting a new bios update that will improve performance even more on 10/12
That's kind of where I'm at, but it's kind of weird that we feel that given the Steam machines, Steam Controller, and Steam Link.
Windows is regularly updated with drivers and OS updates. But really,in BOTH cases it isn't about trusting Steam Or Microsoft for the OS, but trusting AMD for the drivers! Personally, I don't want to EVER have to put trust in AMD ESPECIALLY for drivers, and the fiasco with the Ally power levels early on is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
From a business perspective I wonder if Valve has a bigger incentive for very long term support of the steamdeck. Bigger user base. Also those users continue to generate money for Valve with every steam purchase. With Asus they'll make money off the initial sale, but that's where it ends. I'm sure Asus will support Ally for a couple years, but I'd put money on Valve supporting steamdeck longer than the Ally is support3d by Asus
Having owned a steam device, steam streaming device, and a steam controller. Also having played half life 2 and episode 2. i can assure you that valve does not support anything long term or care about gamers.
I’m waiting your review sir. When you get your hand on the device. I was astonished from one of your review deep knowledge of technology.
Qualcomm should just make their own rosetta like x86 to arm translator and put that in their upcoming windows on arm socs.
Snapdragoon 8 gen 2 is way behind AMD newest SOC though
@@IronicSonic83 not the 8 gen 2, the new ones they will make for pc with tbe former apple chip team - nuvia, they have another lineup.
@@bulletpunch9317those is way too much watts though
ROG Ally, Legion Go, AyaNeo, OneXPlayer, GPD, and others will never have the long term support, community support or customer service the Steam Deck has. Just saying. Valve is treating the Deck like a console where you won't get a new one anytime soon. But you do have the community support which consoles don't and will never have due to their locked down ecosystems. Next year Asus will sell you a ROG Ally 2 with an AMD 8000 apu and drop support for the Ally like they do with their laptops. Not to mention all of the baked in software they come with like Armory Crate is hot garbage.
The Ally will at least be supported by handheld Linux operating systems like ChimeraOS and Bazzite for anyone who already purchased from Asus, but yes the Steam Deck is probably the better choice.
oh really? i can afford all the future handhelds so that's no problem forme , my problem is those steam PIXELATED deck fanboy can't accept the fact that their machine was ancient
I am simply waiting to see what the Switch 2 can deliver in terms of features and perfomance, before deciding on choosing between that and any hybrid PC. If the Switch 2 is not backwards compatible and at least powerful as these devices; I will skip it in favor if what ever is the best one by then. Anyone buying these hybrid PCs bow; is paying a premium to be an early adopter for what the Switch 2 could be; so it best to wait.
Not buying any handheld, windows or otherwise, until it's the size and form factor of at least the original PSP (if not the PSP GO) with passive cooling and equivalent or better battery life to a PSP. The PSP is STILL the best portable handheld experience almost twenty years later.
The lack of potential advancement is my argument for this as well, we're getting to the point we're not going to squeeze more out of lower wattages, even PC is hitting limtis without changing the way stuff is done more then putting more raw horsepower behind it.
Battery Life isn't much of an issue, I'd be playing plugged in, on the couch or something just to chill, and probably not playing large tripple A games anyway, more casual.
I haven't got one yet, but considering it. I wouldn't be using it to play cyberpunk and stuff like that most likely but more indie backlog or more chill games that I can play while laying on the couch or in bed.
There is a way: optimize the softwares. PC hardwares can do much more with less power if only devs make their softwares more efficient.
I say they will worth it coming 2025 - 2026 because most games will be able to run at 60 fps and decent settings by then.
Can you guys make a video about Payday 3? Especially on consoles since there's a few graphics settings that arent exactly clear about what they are. Anti-Aliasing has settings ranging from "Off, FXAA, Performance, and Quality" and also an Upscaling setting ranging from "Native, Quality, Balanced, Performance and Ultra Performance"... would love to know exactly how these effect gameplay on consoles. Thanks guys! 👍🏼
So 50 min battery and a battery pack plugged into it, making it not that practical. And the conclusion is "yes its worth it" 😂
Just buy now and sell it again after a year, two, or whenever it's time to upgrade. There will always be buyers of used electronics
Aya neo kun is pushing crazy performance. About 2x the frames you get on a ROg ally but it cost much more
Also it has a smaller community and at least in Europe i can't find them in any local stores. I'd prefer purchasing locally than importing so I can have some in person assistance in case I face any issues
@@PossessWithinAnd you’re supporting local businesses.
Open box rog ally extreme 549.99
1600p is nice right? Yes, it's more pixels then you want and it's costing power any way you cut it. BUT, playing games at 800p means it can do an integer upscale to get still good looking experience just as if the screen would be 800p. Playing 720p / 800p on a 1080p display like the ROG Ally would mean you always have scaling softness.
Scaling is not really that important, we're very deep into the temporal reconstruction era of rendering, so having a proper integer scaling is meaningless outside pixel 2D games, and those games are easy enough to run that you can always run native.
You can use any internal resolution with the ally screen in 3D games, just use FSR2 or TAA and there you go, gonna be way better than a Switch image quality wise no matter what you do anyway.
@@steel5897 Fair point, but the amount of games actually having FSR2 built in and working isn't that high, and most games have something like internal resolution / screen resolution, but that's just bilinear scaling, no temporal upscaling like TAAU or TSR for most games. And looking at 800p perfectly doubled on a 1600p screen looks less blurry than 800p bilinearly scaled to 1080p.
You are absolutely right that if there is some sort of modern temporal upscaling going on (without wrong implementations with the fizzle and the ghosting :wink:) that it doesn't matter as much.
Hey @DC Clips please let us know how Warhammer Darktide runs on these handhelds. It probably looks better running at 800p than how it appears on console.😝 All joking aside we a video!
Had the ally but the buggy asus software and frying sd cards I sold it and preordered legion go.from the videos I seen it looks like legion is doing really well in the performance wise way better than Rog ally even tho it’s same chip but faster ram
Should have waited.
Who knows what's wrong with the legion
@@Asfanboy1 I trust Lenovo way more than asus I have 2019 legion laptop and their support and build quality is always so good
Just an odd comment. "Do you really want to play triple A games with anything less than the best possible performance?" If you're in this train of thought, then you want a PC or console. Portable gaming handhelds with only 1 hour battery life is even worse than those gaming "laptops" of yester-year with 30 min battery life. Tethering yourself to an outlet or weighing yourself down with multiple battery packs just seems counter to what the general purpose of PORTABLE gaming handheldd devices should be.
Most, if not all of these handheld PCs are not worth it at their current form right now (including the Steam Deck), simply because of the mediocre battery life. We’ll see in the next few years if we can get better battery tech developed.
And I never found the battery life lacking on my deck to be honest. It all depends on what you expect to do with it. But I never game so long that the battery is an issue.
@@jorismak Most of the people want all and everything and for 200 bucks. Otherwise they whine. Nomatter what you offer. If they can't play CP2077 on SD/ROgAlly for like 5 hours with 60 fps high setting - the device is bad
Even most gaming laptops have very little battery life when gaming on the GPU.
@@jorismak I do. Different people, different experiences. Doesn’t mean that it’s not an issue. People only accept how it is because it’s an unsolvable problem right now. There is no world where portable devices are okay with only 1h30min battery life, we just accept it for what it is because it’s the best we can get right now.
@@Scatner There is no world where portable devices are okay with only 1h30min battery life, we just accept it for what it is because it’s the best we can get right now. Quit being a fanboy and be honest with your reviews, there’s clearly rooms for improvements here, at least in another few years.
As long as Windows OS is Trash these Pc handheld's future is STEAM OS or other Linux Distro that caters Gaming.
Windows OS is fine. It also has more video game support than Linux
Windows handhelds are useless as long as Windows doesn’t support quick suspend and quick resume. That’s the killer feature on the Deck, I won’t ever play any game on a device that doesn’t support it I’m that spoiled by it.
I use quick suspe d and resume on my gaming laptops, works perfectly well except for inside games, and even then it mostly works fine. All of these supposed reasons why the Steam Deck is superior are just completely deflated by the massive popularity of Windows gaming laptops.
Wait for Intel APUs.
They're too expensive for my liking. Plus the battery life is complete arse.
I don't get why mobile geforce now never comes up in the handheld discussions. I get that some people need something they can play on a train , but most people just want to game in bed. All these handhelds are way overpriced for the experience they offer, except maybe the steamdeck, but one and a half the price of a home console, just to have to put up with low resolutions at 30fps on awful displays with abysmal battery life seems like a terrible deal to me.
i would wait until the lenovo go is out and see the real world use. not having VRR for screen tearing is huge for me. they claim it's not needed due to having only a 60hz screen vs 120hz on the ally which has vrr. but we'll see. if its not an issue after launch and it performs well i may sell my ally and get it or just wait for some thing better down the road.
The Go isnt 60hz, its 144hz
I honestly can't even tell the difference from vrr on or off. I've watched comparisons videos. Not a big deal breaker for myself. Plus I'm sure I've been gaming with no vrr and was perfectly fine and having a good time.
Steam OS > Wintendo
Repairability...?! Leaving and continuing a game instantly?
If I really want to push performance and visuals I can always stream games from my pc to anything.
Even the desktop experience on the Steam deck is awesome out of the box, touch pads also helps a lot.
Ally Gang Gang
Definitely an upgrade over the deck even in size it makes more sense for me and my girl’s hands. Either way playing your games while at your job or at lunch is un matched.
Is Ollie as high as a kite in this? His pupils are huge!
He's live from inside a dark GameCube, pupils adjusting to the light
Rog Ally > Steam Deck
No.
Agree. I have both and reach for the ally every time
Decent gaming laptop > any handheld whatsoever.
@@Wobbothe3rdA cluster of supercomputers > Nokia 9910.
They are not, they will be "old" too quickly, Steam Deck can't run the recent games without struggling or using FSR to handle it. And the hardware updates will be annual, same as the Smartphones, not good for who wants to play for 5 years without changing the hardware to something new. And the battery is other point that makes these PC's not good to have.
You should check out the Aya Neo Kun. Double the performance of the Rog ally
Absolutely fucking not, get a Steam Deck or wait for a version with a better screen.
Aya neo kun is looking worth it so far. Double the frames that the Rog ally can produce with haptic track pads.
Lame content
Remember when hand-held had their own exclusives? That was my reason for buying them, not anymore.
Switch has its own exclusives (and they are a lot).
What a clueless comment
@@MrMorotep nintendo don't liko share but other handheld do roughly the same thing and play the same gamese t ie steam. PSP had games strictly for itself until they got ported to Playstation years later.
Exclusives that were downgrades of console games or original games that were a generation or two behind a home machine. You can recreate that experience by playing retro style or retro games.
They are better than the steam deck but still not worth it and then Nintendo switch is the best.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They are more powerful, not better
@@butch_luffyThey are better, Linux sucks.
@Brothers-rv7ht of course it all depends on the individual, but they have too many issues with them using windows to be called objectively better imo
@@deathtrooper2048 sure bud, have a great day
battery life make pointless these windows devices, switch still king
Just use a powerbank 🤷♂️
Buy a power bank with the thousand dollars you save not buying Nintendo accessories/re-buying games you already own on PC
Or buy a gaming laptop. Their hybrid pcs are not realistic as portables with that kind of battery life. Not worth carrying battery banks to just see what a powerful yet chunky hybrid PC can do for under 2 hours. Laptops now have better battery life than they did in 2017.
Switch at this point is too weak sure it has good battery life but when you have games like MK1 trying to run it's not a great experience. Unless you only want to play Nintendo exclusives and even some of those have pretty poor FPS. Devices like the Steam Deck or Ally have plenty of power but that comes at the price of poor battery performance.
Switch can’t play anything right tho lol.
Just pre-ordered one from Argos. Probably sell my steamdeck now.
I have the qlly with the xg mobile....i LOVE it. Wont be getting rid of it anytime soon. Im at work 12 hours a day and game for about 7 soooooo....im always on it 😂