Bought a z125 pro from Kawasaki with 24 miles on it for 3k delivered it gets a lot of use I bet this is about the same. Works well where I live. 40 yrs riding all bikes have a purpose it’s people who hate on them that bring about issues. Ride it for what it is
I haven't been able to try a z125 yet. Was curious about how it is since it only has 4 gears. Minimotos are really fun to ride, and absolutely all bikes have a purpose and a reason for being and should be treated as such. In my many years of riding, I've been lucky to try all different types, and I love them all. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I greatly appreciate it. Stay safe
Dude, you don't buy a 125 cc for speed! Duh... 200 lbs?fyou want fast get something else. This is a great bike within its design parameters. Enough with the lack od speed. Totally adequate for its size.
I agree with you and as I said in the end it is a great little city bike, quick run around town, a little farm bike or fun little commuter if you don't need to go faster than 45-50mph. I personally liked this bike a lot. That said I'm much heavier than the normal individual purchasing this bike so if you are lighter you will be able to get a bit more out of it than I would. Super light and put a smile on my face ultimately.
If you're coming from big boy bikes the papios are definitely "slow as shit" but mini motos are so much fun to ride.... Specually in a group. But you'll be smiling the whole time. Also CF MOTO killed the style points on their 2024 PAPIOs
Lol yeah I would agree that these bikes are better in a group. Just a different experience. I suppose I could have been more pg in the video but true and honest feelings in the moment. Yeah it does look really good and so the the ss version. I think that addon screen you can get for the side is really cool. Stay safe
Personally, that scrambler version of papio XO-1 is better looking. 125 cc might be enough for just some mild riding. Not enough power for uphill. But still good motorcycle. Hope they make it more mainstream.
I think it looks better than the other version also. I sat on the SS and didn't like rider triangle. Personal preferences of course. Its a fun little bike and if I lived in the city or needed a farm bike it would be a good option. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts. I appreciate it. Stay safe
I think better looking is a moot point when its tiny. If they made these even midsize, that would be cool. This tiny bike trend is kind of played out to me
The Grom and Papio are so close in specs that it really comes down to looks. If you are worried about service then dealer location would factory in as well but I'm a DIY guy so I personally would by the Papio also. lol Yeah I don't have much of a PG filter even though I do try. That said I start the camera and whatever I feel comes out. Thanks for taking the time to share your feelings and I'm glad you got to laugh abit. Stay safe
Is there a small motorcycle that you would recommend that can handle hills? I've never had a motorcycle before and would like to start with something as small as possible but I live in an area with steep hills.
All the Minibikes roughly the same in horsepower and torque so are going to be the same more or less when dealing with the hills. Can't really say anyone of them is better than the other. Grom, Papio, Z125 are all fun and will do what you need but having a little more torque may be recommended. Perhaps looking at the 300NK, any Royal Enfield 350, Rebel 300 might be a better option for you and your needs. All are very approachable and will have a little more torque to handle the steep hills and are under 5k msrp.
True enough! We don't have the best riding roads in IL. We do have a few but not a lot. My wife and I are looking to move when and if I can ever retire! Do you have any suggestions?
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders I’m in the Denver area now and do a lot of trips around Colorado, but I don’t know if I would recommend retiring here. Prices on everything are through the roof.
I bet you have some great roads to ride! I will keep that in mind. We have been looking at states around Colorado but yeah with the cost of living retirement seems as if it will never happen lol. Thanks for sharing I appreciate it.
I know! Thanks, Donald Trump, for those wonderful tariffs that were supposed to be so go for America. Just ment we the people pay more than we should. Thanks for sharing that information
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders Many americans hype boycott China made products but even though China made products cost more(thanks to your own government) the sales is just increasing.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders i have the ss i love it you need to change the shift light to above 7200 to get good power response i have mine set to 7500rpm now
Blame Harley Davidson. They're the ones who lobbied for high import taxes on foreign bikes, because they couldn't compete at all otherwise. If this was 1,000$ less, they'd be killing the market.
I have ridden the 2022 grom, and it is the same comfort wise, in my opinion. I had hoped to try a 2023 and film it so I would have a solid comparison video to show but no luck as of yet with honda.
The grom feels a little quicker when getting up to speed but since the papio has 6 gears it has a higher top speed. But to be honest its really close. Change the sprocket to adjust the gearing on either bike to achieve either a faster acceleration or higher top speed is personal preference. Both are great mini motos in my opinion
No question about it, yes. Nearly the same price also. The one thing would be the fact that you don't need a motorcycle license for the rukus. I'd actually love to film a rukus and other 50cc machines for the channel someday. Fortnine did a cool video on them. Little city bikes and scooters are practical and fun.
@MotorcycleDemoRiders do you have to have a motorcycle license to ride a papio? I'm asking because I live in the mountains in Pennsylvania and there are alot of back roads here. I would think a papio or a ruckus would be just perfect here. I just don't think I would take either one on an interstate highway
Yeah since its above 50cc you need a motorcycle license. In Illinois people can get a class L for bikes below 150cc but i did a quick search for Pennsylvania and it looks like anything above 50cc is a motorcycle license. For what you are talking about then sure this would be a decent option. I was just thinking that if I needed a small farm bike this could be ok also. Hope this helps
In Australia we can’t buy Groms or Z125s anymore coz they don’t adhere to our Gvt standards of brakes, so less choice. The Papio and the Benelli TNT 125 are the options I’ve come across here in Aus
Learn something new everyday! That sucks for the minimotos but don't you all get the 150cc options in Australia? I'm curious because we don't get them in the US
@@MotorcycleDemoRiderswe used the get the 150cc options in Australia. Now anything 126cc and over must have dual channel ABS (front and rear wheel in other words) and most scooters of 150-160 size do not have that. So now we only have 110-125 cc scooters as they’re permitted to have linked brakes (when you touch front brake, it automatically applies the rear brake too, and the opposite) Front wheel only abs like Grom had didn’t meet the rules so it is no longer sold new in Australia. But this papio is because it has abs both on front and rear wheel
For what you are thinking about its not bad. The power is good to get to 25mph but has no top end power. Same as the grom. For town and light trails it would be just fine.
I remember my first motorcycle(89 Ninja 250). i was scared when I first took it out, and to be honest, it wasn't much faster than this was. Take your time and go at your pace. At this point, I've ridden every type of bike there is. It's a journey, and for me, riding is one of the biggest stress reliefs I have. It isn't for everyone, of course, but I couldn't imagine not riding! Stay safe and enjoy the ride!
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders Thank you for the reply! I really like the Triumph 400x but I want to start small and my college is right up the street in a downtown area. This bike looks so cool and doesn't seem overwhelming. Still, I will wear all my gear 😅
I appreciate you for taking the time to comment. Funny you mention the 400s, I finally got a call from my triumph dealer about the 400s. Im going to head up soon to take them out for a ride. I'm very excited to try them out. I try to do the same with gear. However, I sometimes don't, to be honest. This would be a fine get around bike for that purpose without a doubt and great on the pocket book.
To tell you the truth, many of these bikes are very safe for beginners, since you can keep the revs to 3k rpm, with low output (like a 50cc), and get into the higher rpm ranges as you get more comfortable with it.
Bought a z125 pro from Kawasaki with 24 miles on it for 3k delivered it gets a lot of use I bet this is about the same. Works well where I live. 40 yrs riding all bikes have a purpose it’s people who hate on them that bring about issues. Ride it for what it is
I haven't been able to try a z125 yet. Was curious about how it is since it only has 4 gears. Minimotos are really fun to ride, and absolutely all bikes have a purpose and a reason for being and should be treated as such. In my many years of riding, I've been lucky to try all different types, and I love them all. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I greatly appreciate it. Stay safe
Dude, you don't buy a 125 cc for speed! Duh... 200 lbs?fyou want fast get something else. This is a great bike within its design parameters. Enough with the lack od speed. Totally adequate for its size.
I agree with you and as I said in the end it is a great little city bike, quick run around town, a little farm bike or fun little commuter if you don't need to go faster than 45-50mph. I personally liked this bike a lot. That said I'm much heavier than the normal individual purchasing this bike so if you are lighter you will be able to get a bit more out of it than I would. Super light and put a smile on my face ultimately.
If you're coming from big boy bikes the papios are definitely "slow as shit" but mini motos are so much fun to ride.... Specually in a group. But you'll be smiling the whole time.
Also CF MOTO killed the style points on their 2024 PAPIOs
Lol yeah I would agree that these bikes are better in a group. Just a different experience. I suppose I could have been more pg in the video but true and honest feelings in the moment. Yeah it does look really good and so the the ss version. I think that addon screen you can get for the side is really cool. Stay safe
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders don't even worry about the PG rating I had to edit a few words out of my first ride for the SS 😂😂😅
@Smallbore2wheels i will check it out! Most of my demographic is over 35 anyway so I guess they can handle a bit of language
it might be faster than a Honda Navi.... I hear they are really slow.
Definitely faster than the Navi. I tried one last year before I started filming my rides and got to 47mph. Fun little city bike
This is Slightly better than an actual mini bike with no aftermarket parts to increase performance. But it does cost more than a mini bike
Personally, that scrambler version of papio XO-1 is better looking. 125 cc might be enough for just some mild riding. Not enough power for uphill. But still good motorcycle. Hope they make it more mainstream.
I think it looks better than the other version also. I sat on the SS and didn't like rider triangle. Personal preferences of course. Its a fun little bike and if I lived in the city or needed a farm bike it would be a good option. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts. I appreciate it. Stay safe
I think better looking is a moot point when its tiny. If they made these even midsize, that would be cool. This tiny bike trend is kind of played out to me
Apparently it’s begging for a big bore kit. My $1,600 Condor is already a 150cc though.
"Its slow as S--T!" I was laughing pretty good to that one. Honestly, I like this bike even more than a Grom.
The Grom and Papio are so close in specs that it really comes down to looks. If you are worried about service then dealer location would factory in as well but I'm a DIY guy so I personally would by the Papio also. lol Yeah I don't have much of a PG filter even though I do try. That said I start the camera and whatever I feel comes out. Thanks for taking the time to share your feelings and I'm glad you got to laugh abit. Stay safe
Is there a small motorcycle that you would recommend that can handle hills? I've never had a motorcycle before and would like to start with something as small as possible but I live in an area with steep hills.
All the Minibikes roughly the same in horsepower and torque so are going to be the same more or less when dealing with the hills. Can't really say anyone of them is better than the other. Grom, Papio, Z125 are all fun and will do what you need but having a little more torque may be recommended. Perhaps looking at the 300NK, any Royal Enfield 350, Rebel 300 might be a better option for you and your needs. All are very approachable and will have a little more torque to handle the steep hills and are under 5k msrp.
If you like the look of it I'd recommend the Honda cb300r.
The roads in IL were enough of a reason for me to move to a different state. Nothing but straight, corn-lined stretches of road. Terrible for riding.
True enough! We don't have the best riding roads in IL. We do have a few but not a lot. My wife and I are looking to move when and if I can ever retire! Do you have any suggestions?
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders I’m in the Denver area now and do a lot of trips around Colorado, but I don’t know if I would recommend retiring here. Prices on everything are through the roof.
I bet you have some great roads to ride! I will keep that in mind. We have been looking at states around Colorado but yeah with the cost of living retirement seems as if it will never happen lol. Thanks for sharing I appreciate it.
Meanwhile in malaysia the papio XO is USD1900 out the door.
I know! Thanks, Donald Trump, for those wonderful tariffs that were supposed to be so go for America. Just ment we the people pay more than we should. Thanks for sharing that information
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders Many americans hype boycott China made products but even though China made products cost more(thanks to your own government) the sales is just increasing.
I got the same one and really enjoy riding this thing. Sounds great and turns lots of heads!
Appreciate you taking the time to share your experience on the bike and I'm glad to hear your are enjoying your time with it. Have you had any issues?
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders i have the ss i love it you need to change the shift light to above 7200 to get good power response i have mine set to 7500rpm now
youer not hitting the power band from 6 to 9k
Appreciate you for sharing the power range. Its greatly appreciated that owners come in to fill in the gaps that I miss to help others.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders definitely suggest looking at the owners manual
Maybe even get a racing papio xo 1 ECU off the Asian markets
My 22 goes 65mph....that's weird
It’s cute but I got a Kawi 125 one mini is enough
Damn that's a rip off, the bike is sold at about 1400$ brand new including the tax in China.
It's a solid buy at that price! Such is the issue with import taxes and other fees. We, the consumer, get the shaft.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders Yeah, it's exactly like back then we can only buy a ninja 400 for over 10k USD
Blame Harley Davidson. They're the ones who lobbied for high import taxes on foreign bikes, because they couldn't compete at all otherwise. If this was 1,000$ less, they'd be killing the market.
The Grom is not faster...
how would htis compare to a grom in terms of comfort
I have ridden the 2022 grom, and it is the same comfort wise, in my opinion. I had hoped to try a 2023 and film it so I would have a solid comparison video to show but no luck as of yet with honda.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders how does this compare to the grom in terms of power and speed
The grom feels a little quicker when getting up to speed but since the papio has 6 gears it has a higher top speed. But to be honest its really close. Change the sprocket to adjust the gearing on either bike to achieve either a faster acceleration or higher top speed is personal preference. Both are great mini motos in my opinion
I bet the papio is faster than a honda ruckus
No question about it, yes. Nearly the same price also. The one thing would be the fact that you don't need a motorcycle license for the rukus. I'd actually love to film a rukus and other 50cc machines for the channel someday. Fortnine did a cool video on them. Little city bikes and scooters are practical and fun.
@MotorcycleDemoRiders do you have to have a motorcycle license to ride a papio? I'm asking because I live in the mountains in Pennsylvania and there are alot of back roads here. I would think a papio or a ruckus would be just perfect here. I just don't think I would take either one on an interstate highway
Yeah since its above 50cc you need a motorcycle license. In Illinois people can get a class L for bikes below 150cc but i did a quick search for Pennsylvania and it looks like anything above 50cc is a motorcycle license. For what you are talking about then sure this would be a decent option. I was just thinking that if I needed a small farm bike this could be ok also. Hope this helps
Don't understand why someone would buy this over a Honda for the price. CF Moto seems ok, but its not Honda or even Kawasaki
Oh for what they are asking now no. I would also buy the grom or z125 but if this was 500 to a 1000 cheaper then this would be a better buy!
In Australia we can’t buy Groms or Z125s anymore coz they don’t adhere to our Gvt standards of brakes, so less choice.
The Papio and the Benelli TNT 125 are the options I’ve come across here in Aus
Learn something new everyday! That sucks for the minimotos but don't you all get the 150cc options in Australia? I'm curious because we don't get them in the US
@@MotorcycleDemoRiderswe used the get the 150cc options in Australia. Now anything 126cc and over must have dual channel ABS (front and rear wheel in other words) and most scooters of 150-160 size do not have that. So now we only have 110-125 cc scooters as they’re permitted to have linked brakes (when you touch front brake, it automatically applies the rear brake too, and the opposite)
Front wheel only abs like Grom had didn’t meet the rules so it is no longer sold new in Australia. But this papio is because it has abs both on front and rear wheel
Nice motorcycle bro
Absolutely was just thinking it would be great to get around Davao.
Is it really that slow ??? I wanna bike for town use and some trail riding but I don’t want something super super slow …
For what you are thinking about its not bad. The power is good to get to 25mph but has no top end power. Same as the grom. For town and light trails it would be just fine.
This would be perfect for me as a new rider. Even this bike scares me.
I remember my first motorcycle(89 Ninja 250). i was scared when I first took it out, and to be honest, it wasn't much faster than this was. Take your time and go at your pace. At this point, I've ridden every type of bike there is. It's a journey, and for me, riding is one of the biggest stress reliefs I have. It isn't for everyone, of course, but I couldn't imagine not riding! Stay safe and enjoy the ride!
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders Thank you for the reply! I really like the Triumph 400x but I want to start small and my college is right up the street in a downtown area. This bike looks so cool and doesn't seem overwhelming. Still, I will wear all my gear 😅
I appreciate you for taking the time to comment. Funny you mention the 400s, I finally got a call from my triumph dealer about the 400s. Im going to head up soon to take them out for a ride. I'm very excited to try them out. I try to do the same with gear. However, I sometimes don't, to be honest. This would be a fine get around bike for that purpose without a doubt and great on the pocket book.
To tell you the truth, many of these bikes are very safe for beginners, since you can keep the revs to 3k rpm, with low output (like a 50cc), and get into the higher rpm ranges as you get more comfortable with it.
@@ProDigit80 I may get the 400MT honestly.