If We Lose Ukraine, We Are On Our Way To A Global Catastrophe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2023
- Steve Forbes warns that the U.S.'s inability to punctually fund aid to Ukraine is a testament to the dangerous fecklessness of our foreign policy-and warns both President Biden and Republicans to stop playing games and help stop the threat of totalitarianism.
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If you lose Ukraine, you loosing your investment.
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Yes- The LPR&DPR regions are Russian territory now after overwhelmingly voting to become part of Russia, so now they will be protected against genocide from Ukraine that was occurring since 2014.
nope, they invested in US military-industrial complex + money loundering.
that not loosing
Yup, that's why it would be a global catastrophe in the US politics' minds 😂
@@soundsoflife9549 If the germans would have held elections in Belgium in 1942 they would have been "overwhelmingly voting" for Germany. Everybody back to pre 2014 borders
If We Lose Ukraine.....?.... who is WE ?
Ukraine belongs to the Ukrainian citizens not America, if America was a real friend to Ukraine it would not have promised them NATO membership which has caused Russia to behave the way it did
The military industrial complex and the corrupt politicians
WE become zero. Putin transforms Russia into a real superpower. He will bully the US along with China and Iran.
"We" are the neocon/neolib cabal also knows as the the military-industrial-congressional-intelligence-media-academic-complex.
I don't ever recall the USA offering NATO membership. All NATO members have to be voted in. As I understand it, the USA has only one vote. I would also say, No one would be sending Ukraine aid if it had not been asked for. The USA and England share a lot of blame for this terrible war but the Ukraine has a piece of it as well. @@gordonwilkinson5041
The world is already in a Global Catastrophe. Kudos to all those leaders who got us there.
Well stated !
You mean poo tin
@@thehoon1@the. The leader you refer to is currently polling above 85% in his nation. But .. hey ! Ukraine is winning !!!
Abused child PTSD causes narcissism and rage. i.e. almost all politicians. Hitler was an abused child.
@@danwright1794 Abused child PTSD causes narcissism and rage. i.e. almost all politicians. Hitler was an abused child. So is Putin. In fact PTSD can cause a craving for power and control.
Ukraine is not yours to lose.
Neither is it Putin's to take F-Nutt
Nor is it yours to win .
@@skullsparkjoker9942too late
@@skullsparkjoker9942 The people of Crimea and Donbass voted for what they want. The citizens of Donbass did this after enduring 8 (!) years of bombing. Russia came to the aid of those who expressed their will.
He is referring to the western civilisation , of which we are part of, and Ukrainians have also shown to be want to part of
In case you haven't noticed, we are losing the usa.
Good
No, they haven't. Too preoccupied with Ukraine.
It will only escalate I’m afraid
Immigrate back to Europe 😂
Y don’t you go back to your fav channel? Fox News
So true
“Ukraine is a democracy” they asked me why i was laughing that hard
It's exactly the same democracy as the US itself.
@@EdwardRadzinskiThen why did Zelenski cancel the elections. An the US is a representative republic, not a democracy
Are you kidding me?Did you notice that almost 8 millions of people live in a foreign country and Ukraine is at war? @@PatRiarchy-qw6cp
@@PatRiarchy-qw6cp Their equivalent of the US Congress agreed to postponing the election, based on their Constitution.
Well.. I guess it is currently more of a democracy than the Republic US was intended to be.. US at the moment, so bipolar, that nothing will happen, just stuck. To great delight of Putin and Xi..
90% of the aid to Ukraine funnels into the US. - Anthony Blinken
With 10% for the "big guy" and 65% divided among the rest of the warmongering kleptocracy, and only 10% for Zelensky and his team. That leaves only 15% for Ukraine and the US economy.
So? They're sending American-made weapons from American weapons manufacturers. They didnt just fall from the sky or something.
@@MegaSupermario666 also partially financed by Europe
The UK just finished paying our US war loans off. We paid to have had the privilige of fighting the entire Nazi war machine alone. Thank God our oppressed down trodden colonials volunteered to help Britain. Our problem at the moment is the US cries for isolationalism and the EU quasi fascists such as Von der Leyden Varadkar etc who want an EU army .They will only complicae things needlessly. Nato is the only defence.
@@Sophie-go3ql Most of Ukraine aid is American War Surplus. It is being replaced with better stuff. Ukraine handles disposal. Not much cash changes hands when it comes to weapons.
Yes. American billionaires are. But who cares about them?
You have to support the billionaires because they are the job creators.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I hope that was meant as a joke. @@JonROlsen
Don't confuse us. Get your geo- politics right. In fact the world will be in peace when the war mongers are equalised to the rest of the world.
The decade of 2000-2010 has been the most peaceful in the history of mankind. And before you say Afghanistan and Iraq, know that Afghanistan was invaded by Soviets in 80's and Iraq was at war with Iran in the 80's as well. Then they attacked Kuwait...
Abused child PTSD clouds everything. Hitler was an abused child. Putin is an abused child.
I don't believe the entire world will ever know peace. Humans aren't that evolved.
Don't you mean 2016 to 2020?@@martinforro5696
I am as old as this guy and I remember the red menace and the domino theory barked by people just like him as excuses for nevering wars across the globe. It is about time to antiques into storage .
American successive governments, aided and abetted by corporate media, much like Forbes, morphed the overwhelming Soviet army victory into the Red Menace scare. A narrative which most of us in Canada and the USA bought into, unquestioningly, for 45 years. The onion of lies and untruths has been unpeeling since 1990.
Agreed
Let the boomers fight the wars they are so keen on others fighting, let the young live.
@@hicmad So, how do you convince Putin to "let the young live"? He only understands the barrel of a gun.
@@hicmad " let the young live." Under Russian domination. Putin knows how to handle them.
“Global catastrophe” is the loss of the ability to start wars around the world and benefit from them.
you are a true American thinker !
Exsacly
A global catastrophe is referring to losing the international global order which kept the world in relative peace for more than a decade
@@falsul96 Peace?
In which planet you live?
I always imagine these pro-Putin people working under "phone bank" type conditions on Russia-owned computers 12 hours a day in some poverty-stricken 3rd-World country. I suppose they got families to feed, and Ukraine seems very far away to them.
"Global catastrophe"? For weapons manufacturers, the global catastrophe would be a cessation of all military conflicts.
So they should all be thanking Putin for starting this war! Maybe it was a conspiracy... maybe Putin works for Western weapons manufacturers?
It will be good for the world at large if the West stops calling its "Globe".
It is unbelievable how ignorant people have become these days!
Remember lessons from the Munchen treaty of 1938. when Western powers left weak Czechoslovakia at the mercy of blood thirsty monster Hitler very much like some of so called "pacifists" are advocating now with Ukraine against another imperialist monster Putin!
Do you really think this is way to ensure peace in face of the extremely agressive autocrats?!
Good catch. They think we are idiots.
That guy must be owning plenty of stocks of weapons manufacturers. Way to go
If he thinks Global = G7 countries, then he is right. But if you really mean Global = Global majority, well, he might not be entirely correct.
*G7 is not even G7...😂*
top 7 real Economies are different from G7 Gang.
@@buravan1512G7 stands for genocide 7, which are the 7 countries committed the most crimes against humanity in the world
Mr Forbes speaks only for the G7 .Globally, he doesn't see past his nose .
U so right
He means the West, the most important civilisation in history, inventors of the modern world.
If we lose Ukraine ?? Is Ukraine belonging to you ??
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That's the whole problem. We decided that it was. World upside down. Of course, Russia also thinks Ukraine is theirs. The problem is that they actually have some basis for their attitude. If the US were half as benevolent as it claims to be, it would have spent its energy supporting Ukrainian neutrality: let the Ukrainians figure out how to be a sovereign state, not try to rope them into out power play against Russia.
well said. The vast majority of people seem to miss this point.@@charlesiragui2473
You cannot lose what you never had
Easily done.. lose of influence, lose of trade, lose of allies. So lots to lose for US.
Good one!
Not "we"-working class people, but "you" - capitalists class. Usual people dont have to kill each other for interests of capital.
Abused child PTSD causes narcissism and rage. Hitler was an abused child. Putin is an abused child.
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Oh yeah? Tell that to the ruzzians who have committed the most awful inhumane atrocities to us. All “working class people”. They had a choice. So please… Don’t presume that all nations think like you Americans do, cos there are plenty of beastly & medieval mentalities out there
Well, Russia is killing people exactly for capital. That is why he wants Ukraine.
I don't see Forbes's family members serve in the military branches.
If Ukraine falls is not due to Russia aggression but due to our incompetence and our leadership on how to deal with issues. The people to blame is the people in power. This shows that their leadership is no longer valued and they should step down
after destroying iraq over bs the west has lost all credibility and should mind its own business.
If Ukraine falls, it’s because an Orc put a gun to the head of the last Ukrainian defender and pulled the trigger. It will be because the last child was abducted and taught that Putin loves them more than their parents. It will be because the last hiding place, be it a theater or a persons own basement, was shelled to oblivion. All of these actions happen when good people do nothing to stop it. America’s greatest generation stood up to the foe and gave the next generation everything they could hope for. I guess there are some who have forgotten how they got everything and simply want anyone who promises that they can keep what they got. I donate to Ukrainian causes because what I have came from someone else’s father, husband, child was sacrificed so freedom would live to see the light of another day.
Now we have people who say - but what’s in it for me.
You're absolutely right
The United States and NATO started the war.
And Azov
He would say that, got to keep the war and paranoia going, or it doesn't benefit them and there own plans for what they want the world to look and be like.
I have been working for 30 years as engineer, saving every f single penny, and nowadays barely can get by with high inflation. F. Ukraine, F. our politicians who know nothing but warmongering, ignoring Putin and Russia for so long getting us into this not winnable mess. Our politicians getting rich with their military industrial complex.
Your catastrophe has already has already started, sir !! You have no escape !!!
It started when the MAGATs gained a majority in Congress.
The US losing it's superpower status is not a global catastrophe. The world population breathes in oxygen, not the US.
Totally agree- it's long overdue, IMHO
Sure, if you don't mind your small nation being invaded by the nearest larger dictatorship, and having all your freedoms cancelled.
@@annebritraaen2237 it's a global catastrophe until you can hide from nuclear weapons.
It has less to do with the US, who will keep happily with its dollars, but more with Russia wanting to dominate all of Eastern Europe , and countries of Eastern Europe do not want it and will defend themselves. And NATO will not be able to stay on the sidelines like in Ukraine, because these countries are members of NATO, US may even want to not get involved, but Western Europe will get involved, wanting or not.
@@ollifrank6255the same old mischievous narrative that lies about Russia wanting to take over other countries. This is pure propaganda
Probably the "We" means big corporation or/and billionaires?
Ukraine has already gone by the sounds of it!!
Has it? Says who?
No. The opposite. Ukraine is not, and has never been "yours".
He is referring to the international community not the US. We are all part of the global community.
True, the US thinks they alone own the world and will enslave all remainibg sovereign countries to looting their resourses for free. I said no to this kind of polarity.
There was never Ukraine country , it was Russian state from 1945 , however before 1945 that land was Polish all the west side of Ukraine and Russian all the east of Ukraine.
I think you will find it is theirs. Zelensky sold the country to American investors Blackrock and Goldman Sachs and is busy at this moment selling the country’s assets. It is exactly the same scenario as in Russia when the Jewish oligarchs sold Russias assets at a knock down price leaving the country bankrupt and then fled abroad, which is what Zelensky will do he will join his brethren abroad.
Neither has it been ruZzian, or anyone else’s for that matter. We are an independent country. Who have made a conscious choice a long time ago to be allied with the WEST. And that will not change, as long as we are still alive and not tortured into oblivion by the disgusting and pathetic creatures to the East of us
Catastrophe for weapons manufacturing companies.. $$ this grandpa means..
Hello russian troll. How is the weather in St. Petersburg?
And why wouldn't we support hard working Americans building the arsenal of the free world home in America?
@@mikedittsche It's really nice Comrade Nazilensky..
How is it in Kyiv?
@@BladeRunner2021_ rissians calling Ukraine Nazis for defending themselves 🤡
@@mikedittschecalling people names is a dead giveaway that you have a weak argument
@@PatRiarchy-qw6cp so according to you Ukraines right to self defense in the face of a genocidal invasion is a weak argument?
How completely morally lost are you?
Well Steve, I don't think it's a question of IF now. Ukraine is gone.
In your Russian dreams.
@@parabalani Of course Zelensky can delay the inevitable defeat by throwing cannon flooder. But yeah what's another 400k deaths? Should have negotiated in March. But it looks like he has problems with mobilisation now.
His quote “of WE lose Ukraine WE are on our way to Global Catastrophe” Reminds me of my favourite Lone Ranger joke………
The masked man and his faithful Indian companion Tonto find themselves trapped in a dead end box canyon facing a raging band of blood thirsty Comanches. The Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and speaks,,
“Well old friend it looks like we are not going to get out of this alive…..”
Tonto replies: ,”What you mean “WE” white man?”
Except in this case it will be "we." Unless you like living in a dictatorship and/or breathing in radioactive dust.
The 2014 coup in Ukraine shows how dangerously feckless the US has become. Also the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines. Glad to be of service.
Lies
There was no coup in Ukraine. No military force was used to remove the government. Rather, when Yanukovych's brutal suppression of the protests (resulting in scores of deaths and injuries) failed, he abdicated and fled -- to Russia, of course.
@@iriemon1796😂😂😂😂😂 of course no CIA involvement whatsoever 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@microbus432 😂😂😂😂😂 You mean the FSB 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@iriemon1796 You might be right there as I can't remember the year, I think it had something to do with Klitchko challenging someone and then stepping back.
I'm not denying Russia has interests in Ukraine, but You can't deny that the USA also does.
Do people that say this stuff actually believe it because they're in an echo chamber of lies? Or do they just lie for money?
That's a question I ask myself daily and I've still no idea!
Money, Power, Fulfilment of every sick fantasy they've ever had.
Money always the money. Send money, many money.
Lies for money
Power, money and control are the goals of the US, UK and NATO countries.
Russia doesn't want NATO bases next door in Ukraine.
Imagine foreign Nukes in Cuba.
We didn't have to image a Russian base in Cuba. It was so for decades.
And now due to Putin Finland and Sweden are in NATO. Murmansk is covered and the Baltic Sea is a NATO lake.
@@stream2watch And so? With Denmark and Norway in NATO for decades, the Baltic Sea has already been completely sealed off from the oceans.
@@iriemon1796learn history, don't you know what "Caribbean crisis" was.
@@charlesiragui2473 Got access to maps? Look at St. Petersburg. . Look at Finland. Look at the Murmansk access. You'd have to be born this century not to understand the gravitas of these two nations joining.
USA shouldn’t have messed around with Russia in a first place
But then they tried 😅
Yep, They thought they could defeat Putin.
Russia is cheap gas station which can not stand USSR is gone. @@JonROlsen
And they killed tens of thousands of you with 0 casualties of their own.
@@JonROlsen I always imagine these pro-Putin people working under "phone bank" type conditions on Russia-owned computers 12 hours a day in some poverty-stricken 3rd-World country. I suppose they got families to feed, and Ukraine seems very far away to them.
I don't know what motivates people like you.@@Fuzzybeanerizer
What a strange title ! When the title starts "If we lose Ukraine . . .", the implication is that we might lose Ukraine. But the fact that we have already lost Ukraine is something like two years old. So this must be some sort of day dream, that we are not in global catastrophe. I guess America still has a lot of waking up to do.
huh? Russia has failed its Special Military Operation, and is currently in a quagmire they can't get out of.
@@youren8 Yup... Finland now in NATO, Sweden soon to join as well. Many Russian ships sunk and even a Russian submarine destroyed, until Putin's Black Sea fleet ran away from Crimea with their tails between their legs. LOL, it turned out the former "grain deal" was actually protecting Russia from Ukraine in the Black Sea, not Ukraine from Russia! Russian weapons industry now discredited, Russian oil selling so cheap it's barely worth pumping, Russian gas has no pipelines to get to anybody actually wanting to buy it. Putin 100% exposed as a liar, a fool, and now an officially-charged war criminal as well. Half or more of Russia's war stocks, built up over decades, now flushed down the toilet... the fact that Russia is desperately pulling air defense systems out of Kaliningrad (totally surrounded by NATO) reveals what a lie Putin told about being afraid of an attack by NATO... in fact Putin only attacked Ukraine exactly because he completely trusted that NATO would NOT do anything reckless. And then Xi shook the hand of his "good friend" and was barely out the Kremlin door before he called up a meeting of the Central Asian nations to meet their new master. Oh, yeah, those defective artillery shells Putin begged off of that silly-looking goof in North Korea... how desperate is that? Oh well, Putin already killed 300,000 of his own people on this hobby project of his, what will a few more matter?
And let's not forget the millions of Russia's best and brightest who actually had enough sense to leave the country. Smart, able-bodied workers... just the folks Russia could afford to lose the least, with their demographics problem getting worse by the day.
@@youren8gaining territories the size of half Great Britain🤡
WE, as the free democratic world - do not want to lose Ukraine to a dictator like Putin.
1. Who are "We"?
2. If "We" means the U.S. Military Industrial Complex, it's true, "We" lose...
3. But happily, Ukraine, Europe and Russia have everything to win and have learned a lesson: don't engage in proxy wars and understand that European interests subjected to U.S. hegemony is suicidal...
A typical NeoCon. Gloom and doom unless they get what they want.
Zelenskyy is THE WISE MAN
@@magicsmurfy Slava Cocaina!
1. Black Rock & JP Morgan buying the farmland and want their cut in future reconstruction
2. The MIC has already got their cash. Hoping to get more before Jan 19 budget deadline though.
3. Russians and Ukrainians dying or getting maimed for life in the trenches sure are the losers.
Correct "we" are the people who are continually expanding a military alliance in Europe.
During the Cold War, we rightly said that we wanted everyone to experience the prosperity that free markets would bring. We should have been able to look down the road to a world in which prosperity was widespread and therefore power dispersed (eg China becoming superpower). For a long time now, the US should have been using its persuasive power to urge countries to move towards freedom, not military force and commands. And that means also persuading ourselves to stick to this right path too: free speech, freedom of religion, tolerance for disagreement, accountability. Let's be honest, we have ourselves strayed from being a model to others and yet we treat the rest of the world as our vassals, who should obey us (even as our power is obviously slipping). So two things: fix our own problems and work towards a world of shared power and mutual respect.
Yep!
1000%
As long as there are abused children with PTSD running countries (Putin and almost all the rest) militaries will be required. The issues are not the issues. They are displaced anger. PTSD is a mental illness.
The problem started with sanctions and blockades. The sanctions showed it was not a free market but one that was controled only by one country. No different than any other empire
Blockades showed that freedom wasnt a choice. It literally was losing freedom. So it wasnt a controled evacuation but a mass punishment of innocents
Their ability to say blatant lies never ceases to astonish me.
Biden and his underlings put out the same propaganda. It feeds the military industrial complex.
Yeah, Putin and his internet troll army amaze me, too!
@@Fuzzybeanerizer You know, there's a Russian saying: "When someone calls you names those names are his" 😁
@@spacetraveller9399 So he who calls others liars, is actually a liar himself?
@@Fuzzybeanerizer Your attempt to turn my words against me has failed. First, I didn't call anyone a liar. Second, criticizing someone's actions is not the same thing as calling them names. Calling someone names is a personal attack.
When these people talk about "Putin" instead of "Russia" it tells me exactly how out of touch they are. They really think this is about Putin. As if any other Russian president would have acted differently in the situation Russia found itself.
Good point. It is typical of fascist dictators to still up nationalist base instincts to expand their grip on power.
it's seems stupid unless they running psyop for Russian voters or elite, remember that we no longer have iron curtain.
Putin's "Historical Russia" speech explains the situation Russia found itself in. And what Putin intends to do about it. Wars of conquest.
I must have missed something?
What situation did Russia find itself that warranted starting a war and killing people?
@@lawshorizonOMG🤦🏻♂️dude🤦🏻♂️
Unipolar moment of the US is already in the history. But there is still a lot of power left for this country. Instead of mourning for the lost hegemonic position, the US should spend more time and energy on how to have a better future in a multipolar world.
Yeah, that's true says a guy who emanates from the East but loves life in the West.
ok poo-mao
@@and1111000Doesn't hurt to have both instead of craving for western hegemony and imperialism all over the world. This isn't the 80's. The world is shifting to multipolarism
They/we can't, we have been robbed completely and we are broke and broken. The default needs to occur before we can even think of moving forward. God help us if we have to use the IMF, we will be enslaved forever just like we did to those now throwing off the shackles under the BRICS+ umbrella.
Maybe US could have helped to settle the peace between Russia and Ukraine, instead of talking about how much weapons and military help will they send...
I believe US still is strong enough to help bringing peace, and rational enough to help to figure out the win-win conditions.
But for that, US needs wise leaders taking actions... Not sure if that is possible in country's current state...
It doesn't matter Mr Steve, we already lose Ukraine time ago.
"Mr Steve"
Spot the Indian paid poster.
@@stream2watch I always imagine these pro-Putin people working under "phone bank" type conditions on Russia-owned computers 12 hours a day in some poverty-stricken 3rd-World country. I suppose they got families to feed, and Ukraine seems very far away to them.
@@Fuzzybeanerizer That is probably the bulk of them. I would really like to see some journalism on it. They no doubt would spill the beans for peanuts 😄
If by “we” you mean ruZZia, sure, you’ve lost Ukraine a long time ago
@@alenakrav Seriously. Russia could have just coexisted peacefully with Ukraine, now they have made their neighbors into mortal enemies in a way that will last for decades, if not centuries.
Steve Forbes holds lots of stock in Raytheon and other weapons
manufacturers and he would hate to lose out on all the potential
profits he's expecting to make while by losing.
You know this? How much stick in which companies?
We are going to a tough time with or without Ukraine.
Some poor country on another continent should be the least of US worries. Issues about border, inflation, education, infrastructure will not solve themselves.
It will become worse without !
@@johnmahutga4478 It will become much better without .
@@edvsilas8281it’s almost bankrupted the western whirld trying to prop it up
@@johnmahutga4478 could you show Ukraine on the map before Feb 2022?
Comments give me a hope that America is awakening ❤❤❤
yeah, I'm shocked. This Republican dinosaur is on his own site and not one commenter is buying his propaganda.
It wasn't a global catastrophe when Ukraine was part of the USSR along with a lot of other nations, and it won't be a global catastrophe if Ukraine becomes part of Russia now
very well said .👌👌👌
So Ukrainians should just bow down to russia cuz russia said so? Its up to Ukrainians to decide with whom they align!
@@erics7376 let them decide then but with their own money
And did you ask what people of Ukraine think about this idea? Do you care what they want? I am sure they would disagree.
@@Blanka1100 what people of Ukraine-those pro Russian in the east or those pro EU in the western Ukraine ?
Not really opposed to the US being a 'declining power' personally. Real power comes the people. People in the US are clearly unhappy, divided, overtaxed, underrepresented, undervalued and saddled with enormous responsibility towards all the people of the world at the cost of any semblance of fulfillment or security of our own. The time for isolationism is in fact exactly what our country needs along with some deep soul searching if we are going to make it another century with any power whatsoever. The US, my lifelong home has lost it's way and it's long past time for healing right here at home.
when was Ukraine our own in the first place
how can we lose something which was not ours in the first place.
historical events are so fresh unfolded right in front of our eyes that they cannot be forged....not yet ....
Good point. Putin's claim that Ukraine is somehow Russian is a farce.
People with an education in history can predict the course of events based on historical precedent. Which is the point here. And no, Ukraine does not belong to anyone but Ukrainians, and we have made a choice to ally with the US
@@alenakrav Well history shows that Russia always wins.
@@sleepyjoe7843 Lol i don’t see a point in debating with smb who has such a limited knowledge of history. Use google or open a history book…
@@alenakrav I looked into history books, could not find Ukraine as a country.
Economic catastrophe.. I guess you can’t sell weapons to a demilitarised country
The fate of Ukraine affects European security thus that affects our security.
@@trasewagner7582 if you honestly think that, you’re watching too much TV. There was NOBODY talking about this before this war, the Russians quite clearly didn’t and don’t have the army to do this.
Free Gonzallo Lira! Free Julian Assange! Free Pablo Gonzales! Imprison Biden, Zelensky, Victoria Nouland!
You forgot schwab, soros, gates, trudeau, macron, von der leyen
"We" should have not created this conflict in the first place!
"We" did it:
- By breaking the promise made to Gorbachev to not expand NATO after the fall of the USSR,
- By overthrowing the legal government in 2014,
- By continuously ignoring Russia's plea not to leave Ukraine neutral,
- By arming and training Ukrainian army,
- By not condemning the discrimination against the Russian-speaking population and other ethnic minorities by the Ukrainian government and ultra-nationalists,
- By not condemning Ukrainian government's glorification of Ukrainian WW2 Nazi figures such as Stepan Bandera,
- By not condemning the deaths of over 14,000 civilians in Donbas by the Ukrainian government,
- By callously using the Minsk agreement not for creating lasting peace and saving lives but for buying time to build the Ukrainian army with the intent on taking over ethnically Russian territories of Donbas, Luhansk and Crimea with the high likelihood of massive atrocities and genocide against the civilian population there,
- By refusing to promise the neutrality of Ukraine,
- By refusing the peace deal between Ukraine and Russia in March 2022 which, by now, would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives let alone avoided tremendous suffering and destruction,
- By creating endless propaganda lies that this war is about democracy and saving the West instead of admitting this is yet another proxy war aimed at extending the West hegemony,
- By forcing Ukraine to go on a summer offensive in 2023, which had been needlessly publicised well in advance instead of kept as a secret, knowing full well the offensive would incur massive fatalities and most likely fail considering Russia had spent months fortifying and mining the frontline several layers deep.
And, finally, by continuing to insist that this war is somehow still "winnable" for Ukraine, despite all the evidence to the contrary, and pumping more and more billions, soon trillions, of already burdened taxpayers' money into the coffers of the military industries instead of using this money on education and healthcare, while negotiating and making peace between the two countries even under undesirable conditions with the intent of saving countless lives.
W.O.W. Nothing but the facts!!!!!
Just Facts❤❤
I actually agree with the latter, if "we" hadn't meddled in Ukraine with an overthrow of the legit govt. If "we" had kept our promises to the Russians, and if "we" had listened to Putin's pleas to the UN and to the west at large, then "we' wouldn't have this mess and thousands of lives including innocent civilians would be alive today. If you want my help with this, I am in my cave hibernating. ( DO not disturb).
We also supplied Victoria Nuland with sweets for the rioters.
What you say is what imperialism is all about and the US already has in place an entire eco system to ensure they can dominate the world till eternity
When I was a kid, they said the same thing about Vietnam. They said that we had to fight the North Vietnamese because they would take over all of South Asia then island hop across the Pacific to attack the U.S. mainland. That, of course, never happened.
Except the US does not have boots on the ground fighting Russia as they did in Vietnam.
@@franceyneireland1633 That is what propagandists like the one in this video are trying to convince people of -- that we need to put U.S. boots on the ground in Ukraine.
If the majority of South Vietnamese had wanted democracy, it would have happened. They got what the majority wanted, communism
USA lost Vietnam for communism. But not in field. They lost because worthless politics. USA has lost ALL wars in homefield since 1945.
@@franceyneireland1633 The US today does not have the guts to fight a war against a tough opponent like it did back in Vietnam. Even then the US got beaten and today they would get beaten even worse.
I am more worried about losing America than I am about Ukraine.
U are lost already...
Mwahahaha, the winter is coming USA 😂
you can't win a war against Russia
If only isolationism actually worked.
It's more about letting Putin's Russia win than helping Ukraine. If the US lets that happening, it'll lose a bit of itself as explained by Steve Forbes
NATO ought never to have expanded so near to Russia naturally and inevitably alarming Russia as to NATO's true motives regarding it. NATO and the current Ukrainian government encouraged the notion that Ukraine might actually join NATO placing a military alliance hostile to Russia directly on its border. What would the U.S. have done if Mexico had threatened to join the Warsaw Pact? It likely would have acted preemptively to prevent it, including invasion or some other form of military intervention. NATO became obsolete when Soviet hegemony and the Soviet Union itself collapsed. It too then should have disbanded. The U.S. assured Gorbachev that, with the disbanding of the Warsaw Pact it would reciprocate and disband NATO but it did not. The U.S. has already revealed to the world that it does not keep its word and is unreliable.
iMBECILE.
You might have been consistent and spelled your one word critique with all upper case letters. Alternatively, you might have offered an explanation supportive of your critique.
Yup and it wasnt an mistake, this war was deliberately provoked and only after eight years (and two faux Minsk Accords) spent building up UA AFs, US actually believed Russia would fold within a year through a comination of sanctions and "afghanistan war V.3". Now they've lost ANOTHER war of their own creation except this time it's not in Asia or Sth America it's on NATO's Flank. They're panicking.
There was never any promise made to disband NATO. Soviets didn't disband Warsaw pact, they went bankrupt and couldn't afford to keep Eastern Europeans by force any longer.
@@bademoxyWhy was there NATO after the Soviet collapse? What was the use of NATO after the Soviet collapse? Why don't Europe and America take the diplomatic route to embrace Russia to become a democracy (if they think their democracy is the right one), the western mentality is currently still trapped in the cold war era, it's a shame that the European continent claims to be the most advanced and most innovative continent throughout history it can still fall into war
Correction: in the way of your own disaster but not the global disaster.
With our blatant Meddling in 2014. What do you think would happen? We would have done the same thing to Mexico if roles were reversed. Probably much worse.
Stop your whataboutism Nato is bs excuse for Putin. USA is a good neighbour, Russia never was. It is like blaming a victim for calling the police.
Ukraine isn't Americas to win or lose, it belongs to the citizens of Ukraine, promising them NATO membership is what caused the conflict
Yes and Ukraine was administered by the Russians for centuries and the "globe" was better than today. Let Forbes send his sons there.
Wrong, Ukraine (its people) have wanted to rid itself of post-soviet corruption and the tentacles that extend out from Putin's kleptocracy and his minions that created it. It has stunted growth in Ukraine even further back for hundreds of years. Ukrainians want to become prosperous and control their own destiny. Ask the people of the Baltic States and Poland how they feel about this situation. Imagine if Russia respected their neighbors? There would be no need of NATO's existence. Russian history is riddled war, internal conflicts and stability and with conquest of their neighbors, thus this military alliance is a healthy defensive structure that allows for stability and self-determination rather than empire building as it had in the past, where world wars are staged and millions loose their lives for what. Your point is an easy fix for a more complicated problem. Learning history outside of your own is essential to fully understanding the scope of this conflict.
Nato is bs excuse for Putin.Putin wants to annex Ukraine and he can invade non Nato Ukraine only.
Do they pay you in rubble or dollars.....?
@@leoplaate1165what part of his comment you don’t agree with? Ukraine will never be in nato
'a global catastrophe ' , what you mean is the end of the US being able to bully everyone around the world into oblivion....a big sigh of relief can be heard right now, globally, Mr Forbes.....
I think in the next decade a great many people will be wishing they had a benevolent power like the USA on their side. We are going into a time of lots of small vicious wars and the USA and Russia won't be there to stop it. The global supply chain is breaking up and with it goes the peace enforced by the larger powers.
I guess Mr. Forbes wants a thermonuclear war.
NATO wanted to get closer to Moscow. Now Moscow is moving closer to NATO.😂
Countries closest to Russia wanted to join NATO. And with a neighbor like expansionist Russia, who can blame them?
thats a real dumb way to look at it, apu.
@@iriemon1796get your facts right. It's NATO moving closer to Russia, not the other way around
@@kaizer7568 Nato didn't "move" into Poland, Romania and Finland. Those countries applied for, and were granted, NATO membership. And with Russia as their neighbor, can you blame them?
@@iriemon1796 When one repeats a lie a thousand times, the lie becomes the truth. NATO is no longer a defensive alliance.
If Ukraine is a democracy why do they cancel elections?
because the majority of Ukrainians are in Europe now or fighting the Russians off. There is no current infrastructure to include this two groups.
No need for elections in Ukraine.. Elensky has banned pretty much all opposition parties, chased off or murdered the Orthodox priesthood, etc etc... its Democracy in action, im telling you...
@@PraneshSacher why zelenski shut down all tv stations and opposition parties in Ukraine before Feb 2022 then ? Is that what democratic country do?
Volodymyr Zelensky won the last presidential election in Ukraine in 73% of the vote. It is hard to held election when its war.
@@randitrondsen8337or when he's afraid of losing
The only thing that Putin wanted from Ukraine was to become neutral,and Obama signed the agreement with Merkel and Putin ,but the Americans and English people started involving in Maidan movements . Haven't we so soon forgotten?
murderer putin is the actual victim now?
Exactly its all in the Minsk Treaty of 2014 and the Minsk Accord.
And even in April of 2022 Elensky had Agreed Terms with Russia
for a Peaceful end to the Russian SMO, all based on the Minsk Treaty.
But the US sent its Poodle, Boris Johnson, then UK PM, to tell Ukraine
No to any Peace Agreement and no more Negotiations with Russia.
So around 400k Men have now perished mostly Ukrainians and Russia
now holds more Territory than ever, as the Ukraine defence collapses.
But keep on paying Western Tax Payers, its good for the Soul.
Neutral according to Putin means "powerless and easy to invade and annex"
@@Blanka1100You mean the US.
USA does not invade and annex its neighbours. Russia does and uses every bs excuse it can find. @@stevestephens8969
This is like the domino theory in the 60s, I tought we have learned our lesson but seems we not
Ukraine a democracy?! I like your sense of humor Sir!
Ukraine held elections three years ago and the voters determined to replace their leader with a different one. Remind us of the last time that happened in Russia.
@@iriemon1796 fyi, Russia was never democratic since its existence. and it will never be. so for the west to have wet dreams of having Democratic and liberal form of govt all over the globe is actually not democracy but the opposite.
and for your Ukraine, putting Opposition and media who are critical mr z in jail, is actually is NOT democracy . but another form of putism.
@@iriemon1796they have held elections since 1992, and will be holding another one in March 2024
Volodymyr Zelensky won the presidential election in Ukraine in with 73% of the vote.
@@PatRiarchy-qw6cpLol i guess we’ll see some surprise result in that “election”
Don’t look now, but Ukraine was lost months ago
Tying defense of the Ukraine to southern boarder legal/illegal immigration strategies is analagous to a Fire Department making extinguishing a house fire contingent on signing a home insurance contract.
For better or worse, that's the way our Congress works. Besides, our intentionally porous borders is a far greater threat to U.S. security than the fate of Ukraine.
Russia has already requested to join NATO and the European Union. Why did America specifically oppose this request?? Because losing an enemy like Russia might enhance peace in the world, which is a nightmare that American companies do not hope to achieve. The U.S. cannot Living without an imaginary enemy lurking in this miserable country called the United States.
Y right, it’s so sad when I see some American live in a lala land and trust anything the US government throws at them
Nobody opposed that "request". Russia did not want to toe the line. There's a process.
The history of empire, conquest and subjugation would have this organization balking at Russian entry into NATO.
Its funny that now the west is indirectly admitting that this is their proxy war. Who knows, maybe in couple of months they will be admitting thier troops presence in the battlefield 😂😂😂😂
What proof is there we have us army boots on the ground!!
Has the "successful" Russian army captured any USA or NATO troops on the battlefield? Or are you indirectly admitting that the Russian military only loses and never captures?
@@tjw1861not US army, but US special forces & British SAS are present in Ukraine even before the SMO.
Sure there’s international volunteers there. People that don’t like bullies!
says american, lol the irony @@uterogers1
Better read Ziegniev Brzezinski`s "The Great Chessboard" (1998) wherein he dedicated a special chapter to Ukraine, calling the country "the ultimate pawn on America`s global chessboard".
Well, Ukraine has been sacrificed just as Poland in 1939 (way back then the anglos were successful in getting Russia and Germany to fight each other and putting their boots until now on european soil), but this time they failed.
What a pity for all the pain and suffering that was so superfluous (remember that there were peace negotiations held in Istanbul in April last year and then the little sucker - boy boris johnson flew in?).
The English were behind the current conflict in the middle East too. Lord Balfour sold Palestine to Lord Rothschild in 1917.
Yes - it is available on Amazon - costs about $23
@@sparky7915 Why pay for it and contribute $ to his legacy? get it for free from the Pbay.
You can read Putin's "Historical Russia" speech for free. Poland is on the list.
The 2019 RAND Corporation's "Extending Russia Competing from Advantageous Ground" is free to download. It provides a good insight into US policy to attempt to weaken Russia in recent decades. The peace talks and the agreements in place after this 10 year Ukraine conflict finally ends will be interesting.
Better a multipolar world as a the unipolar regime from the US!!
So, "Go Russia"!!!
Greetings from Belgium!!!!
This man makes me laugh uncontrollably. Do we still have ideas of this sort?😮
Yeah, the US as the shining city on the hill. Unless you go to Philadelphia.
We are in this situation because of "bad" foreign policy. The United States needs to foster peace and prosperity not conflict and war. The US needs these countries to help rebuild our economy,not selling weapons and helping kill people.
Take a look at Judge Napolitano's interviews with Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern, both old school CIA; also combat veterans, Colonel Douglas McGregor and Lt. Colonel Tony Shaffer. You will be vindicated.
The United States is developing its military-industrial complex,
90% of the allocated money went to the growth of the US military-industrial complex.
this looks like deliberate preparation for War; one country is destroyed as a warm-up.
Exactly 👏
Tell that to PUTIN please
90% of the aid to Ukraine will be in the US because it give tons of jobs in the military industry and 10% the ready weapons and such go to Ukraine, strange that the republicans do not understand that!
The future of the West depend on Zelenskiy and Ukraine... - can't stop laughing. Can you foresee the outcome of this bet?
Who are the "we"? The US military/industrial complex?
You CAN'T LOOSE something that you never really HAD
When USA starts to tell that its crucial security issues are on the other side of the earth... forgive me, I can see whatever else but security issue.
Imagine if you had stayed out of ww2.
Neither Adolf Hitler, Mussolini and Japan's imperialism seemed important or much of a secutity issue for the extremely isolationist America back in 30s and even in 1939. but this ignorant and superficial oppinion backfired tragically in Pearl Harbour and this attacks aftermath!
And all of that was preventable in earlier years!
Now something similar is happening in Ukraine and yet again some Americans are counting on appeasement of brutal imperialistic monster from Kremlin that is very much the same as was Adolf Hitler!
@@fapmashina1 We are lucky that the actual powers that be will step right over the Alex Jones's and the WACO candidates. Ukraine will get funded 2024. 60 billion or so from the US, a litte bit more than that from EU and UK. This will more than match the 120 billion that Russia spends on their entire military. Let's see how Russia feels about the weakest casus belli in history after 300K more casualties.
@@fapmashina1 what was USA doing 3800km away from the country?) Hawaii was annexed by USA lets remember it. Now you say Russia is like Nazist Germany...on what basis? USA came to Russian border and this is the reaction, what have you expected, welcome drink? So for this reaction (which would be same if Russia tried to include Mexica in military alliance) you immediatelly accuse Russia in being aggressive. For me it looks vice-versa..
@@Aisor98
You're only repeating Russian dirty propaganda narratives! Ukraine and NATO were never real problem for Russia in era of global communications, international ballistic missiles that don't need to be anywhere close to hit any target, nuclear submarines that can come to so many points at the international waters and so forth!
Dirty aggressive Putin's regime si actually going after resurrection of the Russian Empire from the 19th century at the detriment of many smaller independent countries! Also, Vladimir Putin is in extreme fear of ANY at least to some extent democratic country and free society near them since this is serious possible threat to his autocracy considering this model could be sought after my Russian citizens in any time!
Look where NATO controlled in 1989 and what it controls now.
That’s all I have to say. The map doesn’t lie
Russia annexes and occupies other countries by force. NATO doesn't invite other countries to join, countries have to apply to join, they can also leave if they want to, they have to apply to join, they apply to join as they were taken by force and occupied by Russia under the USSR. NATO is a defensive alliance.
Steve Forbes never been so passionate about helping fellow tax paying American citizens.
Or his own portfolio
America needs to change from promoting war to promoting peace. It is wrong to assume Russia will go on to conquor the world. They do not have any intention to.
But 'we' have already lost Ukraine. Since 2014 at least.
If by “we” you mean ruZZia, then sure 💅🏽
If losing in Ukraine was this bad, why did we begin the war to start with? Sounds like negotiations were the better option from the get go. If Ukraine not joining NATO could’ve prevent the war, couldn’t US have sustained the status quo longer? This sounds like an avoidable disaster.
As I recall, it was Putin who started the war BY INVADING UKRAINE. Do you live in a cave, or something?
There was a peace agreement - the Minsk Accords. Biden promised Putin that they were going to have a meeting to insure that all sides followed them. However, Biden never had that meeting and instead promoted the current proxy war. The reason? To "Punish Putin."
Putin never cared for peace and never resected any deals. Russia is always nightmare neighbour and Eastern Europeans know it best. USA did not start this war. Russia did. Russia is not a special need abby. Russia is not Eastern Europe's master.
And one more thing. Nato is bs excuse. Putin hates Nato because he wants Ukraine and if Ukraine had been in Nato, he would have never been able to annex Ukraine.
And one more thing. Nato is bs excuse. Putin hates Nato because he wants Ukraine and if Ukraine had been in Nato, he would have never been able to annex Ukraine.
Ukraine is such an example of US delusions about the world that is going more and more multilateral.
“Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.” - Churchill
Maybe true 70 years ago, not anymore
@@PatRiarchy-qw6cpUnited Americans were never trustworthy just as Churchill.
Downfall of *the empire of lies, robber, and war crime!*
If they lose Ukraine, they could lose Vietnam again.
I am Vietnamese.
how did the winning the war go for vietnam?
If you get kicked out of Vietnam come to OZtralia ,,,every body else is.
@@jesselivermore2291one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now and they recently discovered large deposits of lithium, so they are getting the last laugh
France, the US were defeated in Vietnam. Next could be Russia.@@sergiozammel8261
He reads the teletext written for him very unconvincingly, in places with incorrect intonations. Moreover, teletext could be placed at the camera level, and not below
First, i am not a Putin fan. We messed up this situation. Hgulag
We have a lot of short minded people in our country these days. They are so focused on one or two issues that they cannot see the evils developing in the world. It is sad that we have to relive history again and again because we do not see the whole picture and keep making the same mistakes.
Yeh - Ask most right wing folks about Global Warming and expect either BS or the deer in the headlights look. However, ask them about old man Biden's son and they are all over it.
Mr Putin created his own Russian Foreign Legion starting with his jadehelm15 hoax: aka maga-hatters
I agree a 100% with you...... too busy looking for money or likes ..... I agree with Mr. Forbes !! But he did not mention / highlight an other important fact.
If Russia "gets" Ukraine it will have one of the biggest if not the biggest BREADBASKET IN THE WORLD he can control.
This, together with the oil and gas - reserves gives him and Russia a tremendous advantage.......... 😒🙄🤔
The problem is the word ' evil ' .As soon as an American president utters 'evil' the world is in trouble . Bush jr and 'the axis of evil ' .Please never use the word 'evil '. 😊
Oh, like you have x-ray specs. Y don’t you edify us?
Steve, the world is changing. Us can keep the edge, but not dominance. So Steve, unless your child/relatives are on the frontline, stop reading from your notebook calling for more blood other than yours.
Haven't you learnt nothing from history books?! Haven't heard of the Munich treaty in which Western powers sacrificed small and weak Czechoslovakia forcing them to give away their own territory to the Adolf Hitler's Third Reich, all of that for the sake of peace!?
And do you think this has done any good or had satisfied insatiable appetites of monster very much the same as is now Vladimir Putin!?
This only showed Nazis that democracies are weak and gave him more confidence to attack Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, France...
Now Ukrainians are fighting for the future of all Europe with less and less western support and facing with ignorants and obviously successful russian propaganda, in near future better parts of Europe and soldiers from the US could easily end up against the genocidal russian imperialism which could of been prevented with far less casualities!
that's actually a hella good point here, applause for your opinion , man👏
This whole thing looks like a parody.
"We" is NOT the people.
I remember when I was a kid in the days of Hoover in the US they had witch hunts for what they called "Reds under the bed" how things have changed!
Ironically now Russia isn't communist anymore but our country is headed that way
In yet an even earlier generation, just before our entry into WWI, the vast majority of Americans were against involvement in yet another European war. Our government bamboozled us into it.
This isn’t aging well already, and it will continue to sour.
RuSSian bot from St Petersburg
@@geoffwalker6739 And you are a NWO bot who thinks they understand based on programming. Not everyone in the west fell for the brainwashing.
It will age like fine wine, unfortunately, if the USA does not get its act together.
@@geoffwalker6739name calling just means you have no real counterargument
If We Don't Take Care Of Our Own Borders.............
We lose Ukraine? who's we? I never decided or voted to fight for Ukraine.....
The US trying to play the role of the world's policeman is absurd and ridiculous.
Isn't that line getting old? We know what happens when thugs are allowed to run rampant around the globe. Eventually they show up on your doorstep.
Stop that nonsense! Check EU membership recently in Europe. Europe wants Ukraine, not the USA. Please let us be informed.
It's really about something else. Please pay attention.
We know very clearly what follows American policing... Death and destruction. They only criminals when they don't push your mandate. So no that line will never get old as long as Americans think they so special.. Those people show up because of your actions @@ronhau1542
I actually enjoy US Taxpayers flipping the bill to be the policeman. More money for my country to spend on socialism. Thanks American Tax payers on sacrificing affordable healthcare!
There is much better comedy on this platform, ngl.
No feelings for the 500 000+ Ukrainian dead and maybe 2x that number horribly injured? All because of American greed.
Scrap heap of history for you Steve.
And the rest of the world shall rejoice
Forbes is reach they should donate
We AREADY LOST Ukraine to Russia!
Forbes is both neocon and paleoconservative. He peddles the most extreme version of the domino theory here. Imperialism on steroids.
Funny how it is Russia that immediately annexed parts of Ukraine, while the "imperialist" USA put Japan and Germany back on their feet after WW2 and annexed no part of either, let the Philippines go as promised, etc. etc.
Yes we stupidly blundered into Afghanistan and Iraq, but annexed no part of either. I guess we are really bad imperialists, just inept at it no matter how hard we try.
Not really. Collective security 101. Nothing he said was without precedent. History repeating itself on steroids.
So does Putin
Just depends what you prefer… do you want McDonald’s or Hungry Jack’s with those fries?
@@marcussurleyadventures1928 Clown