Best Chainsaw Sharpener Ever - FINALLY!!!
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I bought one of these today. Never sharpened a saw in my life. First time, cuts like butter again. Very user friendly tool!
OK, so what is this tool called please? I would really like one 🏴
@@clivebritton8389 2 in 1 Filing Guide
@@clivebritton8389 it's also named "Pferd CS-X 2 in 1". It is exactly the same device but in blue color and with a lower price. Pferd is manufacturing the white and orange version for Stihl 🙂
These are great! Now you may or may not have noticed but when the round files are removed the pointed end are towards the “pushing hand” . The reason for this is that this allows the files to rotate on that point as they are pushed through the chain. F’en brilliant, this eliminates you needing to rotate the round files for even wear. This is an excellent tool well worth the $45. I paid for it in Canada at my dealers. Thanks for the great review.
I bought one for myself and one for my family Christmas party. My nephew, who heats with wood, got it and thanked me later for introducing it to him. Good stuff.
So bought one of these today and used it on my little battery Makita 16” saw. The Makita has a narrow kerf chain (0.043”) but 3/8” pitch. Makita wants a 4.5mm round file diameter but I figured the Stihl 5.2mm could enlarge it and it would work ok. It was a bit more work to get the sharpening done because of the mismatch, but the end result was a battery saw that cut brilliantly with with the long Easter-Basket style strips of wood. Turns out it helps battery life a LOT too if you keep that chain sharp. The chain was never super sharp even new (it’s an Oregon I think) but the Stihl sharpener left it “sticky sharp” and I’m a big fan of this sharpener! I think it nails the correct depth gauge too. Stihl would seem to know a thing or two about chainsaws.
Ive sharpened mine 2 previous times and each time I used the "factory angle" as a guide. My cutters were super sharp and it cut great. This last time tho (chain was very worn) I decided to sharpen using the 30 degree guide as Stihl suggested.....I DESTROYED my chain. It was all jacked up. That's why I watched this video was to see what angle you used. Thanks!!
25 degrees for summer & 30 degrees for winter cutting here in the north. Angles can vary for different species of trees as well. The lines scribed on the top of the tooth of chains straight out of the box intended as a guide are generally 25 degrees.
@@nickpetkoglou1990 Differs from chain type also full 25° and half chisel 30°
Best I ever used. The day I saw that sharpener I also saw a board with a vise on it to hold the saw. What a revelation!!! Of course I went home and made one. Wish my Father could have seen it. The man in the picture is my Father. GOD BLESS YOU.
Any pics of the board you made?
I know this video is a bit old but being a stihl rep it's great seeing our products in use. And yes the pro saws do run a more aggressive angle to allow Biggers chips.
I live in New Zealand, I bought one of these recently because of this video. Exceptionally clear and well explained. Very happy purchase. @wranglerstar thank you so much.
I'm gonna try it Alexander. Looks like a winner.
Same feeling here, Alexander
Several months ago I bought one of these because I watched your video. It has worked very well. The tool has a icon of a chainsaw on it, so you can easily tell which side to use depending on how your saw is on the bench. As sharp as I thought it was when I started using this, I discovered another video with the title "It took me four years to learn this" (or something very close to that). The guy said I should be lifting the file as I make my sharpening stroke to better sharpen the tooth like the factory chain. I tried his technique and this tool worked even better. It has truly cut like a new chain. I was amazed and have continued to add this technique to using this tool with excellent results. Thanks for your great videos, I've learned a lot. RC
Just bought the sharpener and this is the first instructional video I've watched. Thank you.
Pauly B I use mine all the time! It’s a dream come true!
This video also inspired me to get one
I got one about 2 years ago. Talked into it by the Stihl guy, I thought it was a gimmick till I started using it. Brilliant, so easy to use and pretty well foolproof. Bought another for the little chainsaw, and another for the bigger one.
You sold me on this sharpener. I was reviewing my options and I had the same thought you did..."this is gimmicky". On your say so, I ordered one. I just used it and oh my goodness, this chain cuts like new!! Thanks Wranglerstar....keep these videos coming.
I use my chainsaw to clear dirt bike trails. I'm by no means a professional logger. My chains get trashed because a lot of the logs i have to cut are laying on the ground. I bought 2 of these sharpeners (i have 2 saws that have different sized chains) based solely on this video. I've never sharpened a chain before...the chains for my trail saw are small and fairly cheap, why bother. It took me a couple minutes to figure out the perfect stroke, but in 10 minutes my chain cut like new again. It's even easier than he makes it look. And, the sharpeners were much less expensive at my local Stihl dealer compared to Amazon...i got both for about the price Amazon wanted for one. If you're on the fence, go buy 1...you'll be stoked!
When you cut on the ground, just cut 2/3 of the way down (leaving a small hinge) for all your cuts. Then roll the log over and finish all the cuts from the other side. Save your chain and saw from damage. It's not good to dip into the dirt.
Sounds like your working with stuff on the small side, but if the logs are big and heavy, save your your back and get a cant hook to turn it over. Something like this www.amazon.com/LogRite-CH048-Aluminum-Handle-Cant/dp/B01M11V5IR/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=cant+hook&qid=1592273833&s=lawn-garden&sr=1-6
Never ever let your chain touch the ground or any soil. Never. Cut 95% through, all you can. Search for parts of the log that are above ground. Start here. Bore cut into the middle of the log and down and very carefully all the way out the bottom. Then lift cut your way out the top of the log. Now roll free your log to finish all the 95% cuts. A small wedge is great help to hold the cut open. A cant hook or log roller if you can but usually not needed.
NEVER TOUCH GROUND 👍
The reason you had to adjust the angle of the sharpener is that it isn't designed to line up with a full skip chain according to Stihl
Not everyone cuts sift wood trees -- so it makes sense.
It works, but it really only applies to people who can't sharpen a saw. And keeping the bar out of the dirt is still the most important part.
Just got my first chainsaw, a Stihl MS250. This sharpener just got delivered today, and I'm excited to use it. Great videos, been watching you for years.
This is the best thing since sliced bread I love it, follow the angle of the tool it is designed for the proper angle of the tooth. I have zero issues with my chain.
This guy is one of the few that i actually trust when he does reviews. Like even when he likes a product and then compares it to another he is willing to kick the old one to curve if the other is better. Go watch his electric chainsaw vs gas one video. in the beginning he was singing the electric praise but by the end you could tell he wanted to kick it off his homestead.
Bought one ! Absolutely a no brainer . works flawlessly. Its as good as my foley ! ,and much quicker .
At what price? Thanks ahead.
@@franknada8235 there $59 in aus
Works great, i've been using them for years. Like any file have to keep them clean and they will dull. Replacements for the center file a bit pricey but well worth it. I don't know why he thinks he knows how to use it better than stihl does. I go buy the recomended angle and it does exactly what is supposed to do. If you look in this video he is also going against the markings on some teeth which indicate file direction.
@@אוריפלסי a good tool in the wrong hands..
@@אוריפלסי his first time using it.. I'm sure he figured that out soon enough
I saw this for sale at my local hardware store but was skeptical of it till I saw this video.... you might of just made a believer out of me! Thank you...new subscriber cause of this too
I cut all winter long for warmth. This is the best sharpening system I've found.
The tool is set at the 30 degree angle from factory chain setting for hard wood.
Looks ok. If you want to get another lesson check out Buckin' Billy Ray Smith (Canadian faller). He makes a lot of sense by just using files. Buckin" sure has the experience at logging.
Cody: whatever you say , DON’T call them rakers. They’re depth gauges.
Cody: proceeds to call them rakers multiple times.
Rakers are depth gauges. Cody isn't the only one that says "rakers". Rakers, rakers, rakers.
@@harrisorourke6926 - well no he’s not, everyone says rakers lol I think it’s the fact Cody said they are not called rakers, they are called depth gauges.. but then proceeds to call them rakers lol
@@harrisorourke6926 We call them "Rockers' here in NB Canada
I did ur mom
@@anagramconfirmed1717 you are my mom.
Thanks for the tip. I ordered one and love it. I don't use a chainsaw all the time so am not a pro at sharpening. This made it simple!
I only use this file in my stihl saws, i think it is the best! Great video, nice that you found this product!
Cody, just re-watched this video from when it came out till now you have lost a LOT of weight man! Take a look back at this and I hope you feel damn good about the changes you've made!
Wow, you just blew my mind. I sharpen my saw chain with a lil tool set I picked up for the purpose. I can get that "sticky sharp" pretty easy. But, by the end of the cutting season, chain won't cut fer *&^%. NEVER knew about the depth gauge filing. lol Just figured, eh thats it for that chain. Go get another one for next year. What makes me feel really stupid is, that tool set has another file in it...... Never could figure out what it was for. I am now assuming, its for the depth gauge. Find me a wall to beat my head against. Maybe It will make me smarter.
Same here. I'm 30 years old and at the age of 15 I started cutting wood for money. I learned on my own as my parents lost everything to addiction. No one has ever mentioned depth gauges on a chain. I will have 10-15 chains in garage that I can put back into service!
@Joe Faultroy Moron? really, ok. you must be a liberal, all that useless hate in your head.
Yes that name caller deffiently a libRat! U can see em a mile away lol
Very unattractive people, just look at dems in the house' in congress and name calling ,Angry humans- Fact
Growing up in a logging family, and felling trees professionally for years, I can personally testify that the angle of the tool is correct. The vertical side of the tooth should have a knife edge to help remove heavier chips. It also aids in the tooth releasing the chip as opposed to the following cut forcing the previous chip out ...
When you're on a mountain alone except for your skidder man? Learning how to get the most from your saw comes out of necessity
been using saws 40 years you are right
So happy to see this comment. The tool wasn't used correctly in the video. I own one of these but found you lose the gullet after a few sharps. I'm a chainsaw carver & it's a prerequisite to do Crazy S#%T with chains anyway..... Someone should inform him that the 2nd round file in the guide isn't intended as a spare. Just Sayin' Be safe on the mountain friend. Cheers!
i ran this tool through my husquvarna 572 xp with a 24" bar it was super fast and hard to mess up left it really sharp on the recommended angle highly recommended
I bought one of these today thanks to your review. Haven't tried it yet though. I appreciate your reviews.
This is sick stuff. In the 80´s when i was teached to be a lumber jack, we had every week to sharpen HZ saws by hand, with no meassurement help, just eye and hand checking. Later week after week sharpened all chains we had in storage. Was a mass, and i did not liked it at all. But man, i tell you, that was the best experience ever, now i am 52 jears old, scince 30 years dont work as a lumber jack, but still sharpen my chain saw by hand. And its running like through butter. To much helping tools are not good. As Bruce Lee said: Dont think, FEEL!
I still do sharpen by hand. And do foes everyone i work with
teached?
I made a handle out of a piece of elk horn for my files after decades of simply bending the tip so it wouldn't jab my hand. Never used any type of guide or machine for my chains, always took satisfaction in filing by hand/eye. But after seeing this, I think I'm going to get one of those now. Looks great.
@@GaryWRose Yep, he really "massed" that one up ;)
Why am i watching a chainsaw sharpener when i dont own or have ever used one haha.
Your missing out. Using a chain saw on some trees is very satisfying.
Higgarn real men watch such things.
FYI, that's why
I know this is an old comment but I have an answer for you. It's because now, if something like this comes up in a conversation, you'll have knowledge to add. The ability to talk smartly about a wide array of subjects is part of what makes people interesting and engaging. I don't mean know-it-alls, but just people that have a broad spectrum of knowledge.
lol lol good lol!
Thank you thank you thank you! After watching your video .. I ran out and bought me a sharpener and cannot believe how well it works and the time saved! Incredible.. once again.. thank you!
I have used one, and it's great, and used fairly lightly but regularly, it is quick and easy and very effective. I use it at the angle of the handles on a 52 cc saw, 52cm bar. saw.
was the cutting footage real time or was it sped up just a little?
The angle matches my stihl factor chains perfect. Was that a ripping chain for a saw mill never compared the difference as I don't have a saw mill.
Terra Fur-muh Landscape Management, LLC yeah that chain as I can see appears to be a square grind tooth for milling . Cutting angle at 10° vs average 30°
I thought he would know that tho he seems to be sharpening his square grind with a round sharpener . ??
@@pilabuddajelly-time7686 I have been wondering why the angle looks odd.
Best files I've ever used you get two things done at once you get the blade and you get the rakers filed at the same time I use it on my Stihl chainsaw and a Husqvarna
I bought this file after losing my file kit. After figuring it out it works great. My bestfriend tjought it was a gimmick until he sharpened his chain and after his 1st cut his response was "I'm buying two, one for my big saw and 1 for my little saw".
Really pleased you approve of this sharpener... I just bought it.
Cheers!
@wranglerstar If you watch your video you can visibly see the bar vibrate as you file and that will not produce the best edge. You want the bar as stable as possible while filing. Great video, I bought the product based on your review. Thanks for all you do. Take care to ensure the bar does not vibrate while filing. I like to set the vice about 4-5 inches back from the tip of the bar and file on the tip of the bar side.
I’ll be putting this in the “tool porn” category in my save files.
Great review, sir! Does this tool work on different brand chains? (Oregon, Husqy etc.)
Just watched the video, not sure if anyone mentioned this in the comments but those tools aren't real designed to work as designed on skip chain since there is no place for the additional rail of the tool to sit. I do believe that it designed to sit on both rails of the tool to index for the depth gage/raker. Which means that the cutter teeth left and right must be spaced evenly like on a traditional chain. Alternating left and right cutters help hold the file at the proper height. Also they perform best with little to minimal pressure, since pushing on them may cause the metal guide rails to flex a bit which effects the depth gauge filing height. Great tool, I usually follow these angle on the guide. For home owner this angle won't effect their performance. As Professional sawyer's we have different angles for different situation well beyond the average user. Great video
My son got me one of these for a Christmas gift , This thing is phenomenal !!! For someone that's not very skilled a sharping a chain, this thing is a godsend ! Absolutely LOVE mine !!!
Love this file! Revolutionary!
Try it as the tool is made. May be better?
there are different versions of this tool with different size files and different angles, you are meant to buy for each different type of chain
I've been sharpening with a dremel. Now I know not to thank you sir
Thanks for the update and the way you explain things thanks once again for the efforts 👍🇩🇰🙏
Just bought one and it's outstanding. I don't if you mention in the video but it's really intended for full house chains and not the skip tooth one you sharpened at the beginning. Great videos though, thanks.
I've been thinking about one of these for a long time. I'll have to give it a try.
not worth it bud
I have a good friend who was gifted one of these for .325 chain. I spoke with him about it a few weeks ago and he agreed that there's no real advantage to using it regularly. While I doubt he throws it in the trash, I don't think he will continue to use it much. His exact words were "definitely NOT worth the money"
I like running my rakers a little deeper than recommended too. Course ive also ripped the handle out of a tank.
I wouldve liked to see you use it at recommended settings, just to see if theres any difference.
nice video.I don't know if any one posted not to be used on skip tooth chains or it will take the rake down too much. Keep up the great videos.
You're doing it wrong!
That is made for a FULL COMP chain ONLY. You are sharpening a SKIP CHAIN and because of that your "rakers/depth gauges" are too low and your tooth is improperly sharpened.
Each guide needs to rest on a tooth....hence the full comp chain requirement.
KimballCody you're doing life wrong
Hopefully Cody sees this. Your comment makes it very clear he cut the depth gauges too far.
I'm a bit of an amature, with a MS 290, would it serve me putting a pro chain on?
pro chain vs anti kick back chain. yes, I don't like anti kick back chains. they cut slower and I feel cause people to build bad habits. learn and practice proper cutting techniques, wear PPE and keep your chain sharp and you'll be able to avoid most "accidents".
the anti kick back chains are easy to point out because of the extra bump near the "raker/depth guide"
Isn't that a full skip RIPPING chain on there? I swear that's what the teeth look like, would explain the oddball angle... Total incorrect use of this tool - "Those are nice files" he says - must have never used a new file to sharpen before ROFL...
In the woods of Arkansas we don't call them rakers or depth gauges.
We call them drags.
Same in North Alabama.
Yeah, they're actually made for the New Zealand market. I run genuine Stihl chains and we sharpen them at a 30 degree angle, and that sits perfectly with the angle, both etched on the tooth, and the angle of that sharpening tool. You must sharpen yours at about a 20 - 25 degree angle?
I run 30° as well I'm in Aus. Some over here run 25° and even down to 10° when slabbing hardwood
@Wranglerstar
I believe you actually have the wrong tool for your particular chain.
After seeing this video I went looking for one for my father's christmas present and they seem to have 5 different versions for the various different chain pitch/types.
That is why the plastic part didn't line up with the bar.
Lucky you went with your instinct and corrected the angle!
Good Day Farm, thank you for your valuable input.
Great video! Interesting tool. Will it work on an ECHO chainsaw (CS-490). Thanks!
I think you should have thrown a 2nd older chain on another saw and sharpen to the angle that was on the tool and see why they wanted the buyer to use that steep of angle.
Jason Bechard ££h
Just gave away a brand new never used Oregon sure sharp as I replaced it with this, the Stihl 2 in 1 saw sharpener…takes only minutes and my chains are wicked sharp !
Just bought this for 029 Farm Boss, has the lowkickback 26rmc3 81.325 20”, worked great , but I can see in your vid , it’s not aligned properly, they make these in different sizes, not sure if these are meant for pro saw chains, but if you have a farm boss , did nice job!
30° is the angle I've always used, out here in western softwoods anyway
Kinda looks like if you flipped it over the angle might be right.
I have two of them for sharpen my saws they are sweet
Bought it based on your video. Absolutely a piece of finely thought out tooling
I'm going to give one a go. I use a Stil/Granberg file guide at the moment.
The softest wood we cut is Jarrah which is a bit like Mahogany or Ash and the hardest is Gimlet that is a bit like Cast Iron or Bronze.
I will get back to you.
I have one and I only wish the handle was a bit more comfortable. I follow the angle found on the file and it works great for me.
@Wranglerstar Can you do a part 2 of this, using the "Intended Angle". I use the laser line as well but i am curious. Thanks for the review, as a tree guy im always looking for a better way.
Also, Question from Oregon, Why do you use a round file versus a chisel bit file? I noticed on the video that you had a chisel bit chain and used a round file on it.
It’s not a chisel chain man
Good explanation....however....Cautionary note...the chain here is a skip tooth chain and this tool is made for a full house chain. Because the "rails" are made to "ride" on top of the teeth on each side of the file which keeps it level. It can be made to work on a skip tooth like this but it is important that the file be held level. Also they come in more than one size so be sure to match it to your chain. See YT Stephen's Small Engine Saloon for clarity on these two points.
These work amazing by the way
Looks like a great tool. I must get one, thanks. 😀
The angle marks are on the square shiny metal supports .The angle guide is not the plastic handle ,its a stupid design mistake as it is would be more visible and much easier to line up with the plastic handle . Using the guides on the metal you get the correct angle and I find it gives a razor sharp chain
Cody, soft pines get a shallow angle (20-30) and a bit more hook on the tooth and hardwoods like white oak get the deep angle 35-40) and less hook for a more durable less aggressive edge.
Before you go through all this nonsense. ...watch buckin Billy rays filin tecinque...just a regular file and comm on sense will get you a long way..and if your filin alot my suggestion is get a grinder...my wrists can't handle much hand filin....get the gullet!
Get the Gullet !
Buckin' is a great faller/woodman. A real pro.
100%.. been following him for over a year. Always learning from his techniques.. real pro yes.. and a good man!
I agree I have the 2 in 1 wranglestar has here but I didn't even use it for 1 month I had seen buckin 's videos and I went back watched learned and practiced hand filing with a plain saw file. nothing better than that now I hand file every chain
arborist460: We love Buckin Billy Ray. But his program is quite different from this presentation.
I was thinking of Billy when Cody spoke briefly about the gullet.
I have been using saws, mostly professionally, since the 1980s. Had many troubles along the way. But things really turned around when I started learning chain terminology and doing what it said in the chain saw's manuals. And I have read everything I could concerning saws and especially chains and related things. THEREFORE -- there is nothing wrong with this product. And that is why I first wrote that this is Cody's best video on this subject EVER!!
If someone wants to do things Billy Ray's way and it works for them, that's fine. But Cody found a good thing in the Two in One sharpener, and he just wants to share it with us. He isn't forcing anything on anyone.
And if you are not up to snuff on chain cutting theory and nomenclature, then you would be better off listening and learning, rather than chiming in here with misinformation, wrong terminology, and negativity.
I recently got a ms250 as my first chainsaw and was asking how to sharpen the blade, the saleswoman showed this device to me and like you, thought it was a gimmick. I'll be getting one and telling her about your video.
FYI you can call it a blade if you want, but it is really a bar. In fact a guide bar and you don't sharpen the bar. You might however want to file the chain.😂
Very interesting. I'm convinced enough to buy one. Thanks.
Full chisel chains run a steeper angle than semi chisel. Or atleast thats been my experience.
at our shop we use a 30 degree angle to sharpen.. we use the Stihl bench grinder but honestly this tool you are showing is better.. the bench grinder is like $700 from Stihl, that file set is like $30
Works great thanks for the video, the manufacturer should thank you also.
the only time you pull a file backwards is if its a doublecut file. If its not a double cut file you will QUICKLY ruin the file. Do NOT saw a file back and forth if its not a doublecut file. Yes the lager pro saws use a different size chain. I used this sharpener for the first time this week as I work with a non profit that clears trees from rivers. We are hard on chains and saws, many times sawing under the water and hitting sand or worse. I used the angle as indicated by the sharpener as it matched my .325 and 3/8 chains. I used it on a 20" 24" and 32" chains. After the first chain my speed increased. I did 8 strokes per tooth which was too much for a non damaged chain. 4-5 per tooth tops is all thats needed. Another saw guy commented how sharp the chains were and how well they were working compared to when we finished the night before. I Sharpened the 20" chain on his personal saw that had damaged teeth and was done in 5-10 minutes. I was considering getting an electric sharpener but theres no need for it. Plus you can keep it in your toolbox and use it in the field.
Got one it’s ridiculously amazing
The tool has the proper angle built in, not only on the housing but the metal bars as well. I don't know why you would shallow the angle. I've always filed about 30 degrees just like the angle built into the tool.
Thanks for your review. And great info. I will be purchasing one of these next time I’m at a Stihl shop 👍🏻
I use these ,I like them.. good straight cuts takes rakers down nicely
great video Cody , have you ever used skip chain when logging?
Thank you very much for reviewing this, I will be ordering mine very soon! 😎
First class video Cody and extremely helpful! Thanks a lot! Regards Ian. Inverness Scotland.
I like mine had it for 2 years now. But I still use use my single file in a a wood handle to
hi...i think you were holding the files backwards...usually the push stroke is started with the shank of the file closest to ur body as you push away from you ( the shank of file is the uncut portion where u normally place a handle)
Just by the same tool branded by Pferd. It's blue. It's exactly the same tool made by the same company but much cheaper.
So do u recommend 30 degrees or less then the 35 I have done as a first time saw owner?
The angle is different depending on the type of wood you should cut with your chainsaw. Pine is a soft wood type that you can have a sharper angle.
These boys don't cut enough wood to worry about that. 100% i sharpen my chain depending on what wood I'm going to be running through. Hold the file on the top side of the cutter a little more for soft wood.
I use these all the time. I think you have a skip chain. It works better on a standard chain.
The difference will be the type of chain you’re using. Can’t tell if you have a RM or a RS chain. But there’s a difference in sharpening angle between those two
Is it possible that the angle of the tool didn't match the factory angle of the blade on your saw because you ordered one that was meant for a different Stihl bar and not the tool specific to the bar on your saw?
This might be the best vid I've ever seen.
Thanks for your sharing! Saved me years
Just makes sure you order the one that fits your saw chain, one sharpener does not for all. Like if you are using the MS170 it’s the 3/8” P (p=pico chain).
So part of the reason you fought that is that the file isnt meant for a skip tooth chain.....try it on a full tooth chain and it will make more sense.....I learned the hard way lol as I run all skip tooth chains on my saws.
funny... I was JUST thinking that it would be great if they made a file that cut both at the same time.... seems so obvious... and then I clicked on this link, and there it was!!! I'll be checking that out for sure. thanks :)