This video changed my opinion about the Ioniq EV. So I went ahead and bought one. There’s currently a big discount on all the models here in Denmark. It’s a nice car.
Hej Kasper. Min nabo har lige købt en som "kone-bil". Jeg har været ude og prøve den og jeg er helt solgt. Vi skal skifte vores primære bil ud om et lille års tid og jeg tror at det bliver en Ioniq. Er der nogle ting man skal være opmærksom på inden køb?
The car was pushing 112mph there. Very impressive and not noisy at all. In an ICE car, slowing down is kind of annoying but in EV, it's just free power = safer driving.
The average consumption was just a bit over 220Wh/km even with the high speed parts. Ioniq is extremely efficient electric car. Hyundai should try to put there a 50kWh battery. That would make it an amazing car.
Would be better to have a cheaper lower price ionic even 25KWh battery pack and slower top speed and slower acceleration would be acceptable if they could get the price down to €25,000 25KWh could get 240km range on the motorway if you stick to 90km/h that's good enough in the last year the longest single day I drove was 176km so could have got home with >20% charge remaining Price is important to EU drivers the best selling car in the EU is the VW Polo which is the UK costs just £12,500 (~€14,000 Euro)
If you look at the beginning the consumption at high speed was way beyond 32-34 when he was driving fast. Just by the regen at the end did he lower the consumption. A model 3 at these speeds is around 27kWh even if you gun it constantly, so the IONIQ is efficient, but only at speeds below 120km/h.
Marko T no room, they’ve pretty much maxed out the battery capacity by squeezing parts of into the central transmission tunnel area on the 38kwh. It is effectively compromised due to having the hybrid versions of the same chassis. They’d need to move to skate board platform to get a bigger one in, which they’ll likely do eventually.
Both the Model 3 and the Ioniq are low aerodynamic drag cars, but still the drag goes up by the square of the speed - and the power required to push it goes up by the cube of the speed!
Excellent drive, an eye opener. I am still keeping my ID.3 1st order but my second choice would be this Ioniq, especially since they have lowered the price in Portugal to 33,000 €. The Ioniq might even be the more sensible option.
Very interesting, thank you for the test. It's such an amazing car and I never thought the Ioniq could do 180 km/h. I looking for an EV which can go 280 kilometers (90% autobahn / 5% urban area) with only one charge. But therefore the batteries of the Ioniq first and second generation are a bit too small. I mean it's possible but then I have to almost hypermile it.
Chris, you should try drive in coasting mode for a while. Regen when you are continuing to drive is counterproductive. It is less efficient. Regen is great - but it should be reserved for when you actually need to slow down quickly.
I know you are the coasting lover. I don't like it at all. I don't care that it is more efficient. When I take my foot of the gas pedal, i want to feel a braking force. One pedal driving all the time.
@@BatteryLife Understood. If range is important, then coasting can help. Highway driving is the least critical as far as slowing down - 1 pedal driving is a lot like racing, and is most useful in city driving. Regen *always* loses more energy than coasting. The key thing that changes when you get used to coasting is you accelerate LESS, and you are smoother. The car does slow when coasting (especially at higher speeds), and so you learn to back off a little sooner. So having a lot of regen puts you in a more aggressive approach, which is harmful to range in 2 ways. Also, I can't drive *anywhere* near as fast as you can in Germany - here the speed limits are 55mph to 65mph in most highways, and some areas of the country they are 75mph. I think I have only ever driven at 100+mph ONCE in my entire life. And it was pretty hairy ...
@@NeilBlanchard is there any good instruction of how to drive most efficient with coasting in mind? Just bought an ioniq and want to learn more Thanks for the info!
@@AzizIzgin The easiest way to think about driving efficiently, is to think about how you would ride a bicycle. Coast whenever it is possible - you add no energy, and use the kinetic energy of your mass moving forward - to continue moving it forward. Add as little energy as needed - and this can involve adding a little energy while going downhill - when you know there is an uphill right after. Anticipate your stops - and start coasting as you approach them. If you can slow down enough to time things so you don't have to stop, and you can then go through a green light - then you have saved a LOT of energy. Accelerating from a stop is hard, so if you are in traffic, if you can just roll along at a low speed, that is much better than accelerating harder, and then having to stop again. Try to creep along, rather than stop and go and stop and go. Look ahead on the highway - driving at a slightly lower speed and coasting a bit and so on, is much better than accelerating up to a higher speed, and needing to brake a lot / often. Even with regenerative braking, this is still true. Regen can only regain a portion of the energy, and you still lose energy to aero drag and rolling resistance - so if you coast, you are using more of the kinetic energy of the moving vehicle, than you would be with regenerative braking. Regen is great for when you *need* to slow down / stop. But it is going to lose more energy than coasting. I just was looking at our Bolt EV dashboard, and over 26,000 miles, the four drivers in my family have averaged 4.0 miles per kWh. This includes winter driving here in New England. The Bolt EV has a Cd of 0.308 which is not great. Lower drag coefficient vehicles should be able to average higher than this.
Has anybody figured out, how the 28 kWh version behaves at higher speeds? Is it the same drivetrain except less capacity in the battery? So that assumed consumption between discharge of 80 to 20 % is similar? What is the result of the test, what was the average consumption?
35-38 KWh is the sweet spot for EV. They are efficient because of low weight, cost effective and has a lesser environmental footprint as compared to Teslas
I would have disagreed before I started watching this channel. But having seen this car get 6 miles per KWh on the motorway sticking to 90km/h (~56mph) it shows low drag EVs can get great range with modest battery packs 38KWh pack can give a range of upto 228 real miles on the motorway which is more than enough for me For urban drivers who do on average 20 miles a day charging this car just once a week would be enough. So could even use it if a person doesn't have the ability to charge just charge once a week on a 50KW charger or even a slow 7KW public charger while out shopping
EV range should be stated as range at 100km/h on the motorway This car can get ~200 miles at 100km/h speed Urban range is irrelevant because urban driving is slow and not many miles
The website is an average/estimated. Depending on where you live, hills, temperature, speed limit, rush hour, wind velocity, rain vs sun, number of squirrels and deer and skunks lounging in the middle of the road, jaywalkers, and so on, all act as variables. Just as with non-hybrid gas engines.
When you fully press the accelerator pedal and press further there is a button you can press. This is the kickdown button. Name might be wrong. It does different stuff in every ev. Useually it kicks you out of Eco mode to have full power for overtaking or dangerous situations.
I did some testing, and no matter which mode I'm in normal, sport, or eco, I don't feel any resistance or additional change at the bottom of the accelerator pedal, and all modes go up to 100kW of usage on the monitor. The rate at which they get there differs, but they all go to 100kW. Canadian model 2020 Ioniq Ultimate. Oh well? :)
Are you sure this model of the Ioniq can read speed limit signs? Doesn't the speed limit come from the navigation unit? Waze and Sygic will show the speed limit. I searched and wasn't able to find the function for the Ioniq.
But it's informative to have the comparison and in many countries the price difference between the two is also not that much. So I prefer that there is some context provided. 👍🏻
Good, the Teslas are the comparison point many make when talking about EVs, they set the benchmarks in may people opinions so anything positive compared to a Tesla is worth knowing.
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This video changed my opinion about the Ioniq EV. So I went ahead and bought one. There’s currently a big discount on all the models here in Denmark. It’s a nice car.
Ioniq is amazing.
Hej Kasper. Min nabo har lige købt en som "kone-bil". Jeg har været ude og prøve den og jeg er helt solgt. Vi skal skifte vores primære bil ud om et lille års tid og jeg tror at det bliver en Ioniq. Er der nogle ting man skal være opmærksom på inden køb?
Købte min 38kwh i sidste uge. Er meget tilfreds.
This was the video that convinced me to buy a (used) Ioniq 38 kWh.
The car was pushing 112mph there. Very impressive and not noisy at all. In an ICE car, slowing down is kind of annoying but in EV, it's just free power = safer driving.
The average consumption was just a bit over 220Wh/km even with the high speed parts. Ioniq is extremely efficient electric car. Hyundai should try to put there a 50kWh battery. That would make it an amazing car.
Would be better to have a cheaper lower price ionic even 25KWh battery pack and slower top speed and slower acceleration would be acceptable if they could get the price down to €25,000
25KWh could get 240km range on the motorway if you stick to 90km/h that's good enough in the last year the longest single day I drove was 176km so could have got home with >20% charge remaining
Price is important to EU drivers the best selling car in the EU is the VW Polo which is the UK costs just £12,500 (~€14,000 Euro)
@@kaya051285 Otherwise good, but I would need faster charging if the battery would be that small.
If you look at the beginning the consumption at high speed was way beyond 32-34 when he was driving fast. Just by the regen at the end did he lower the consumption. A model 3 at these speeds is around 27kWh even if you gun it constantly, so the IONIQ is efficient, but only at speeds below 120km/h.
Marko T no room, they’ve pretty much maxed out the battery capacity by squeezing parts of into the central transmission tunnel area on the 38kwh. It is effectively compromised due to having the hybrid versions of the same chassis. They’d need to move to skate board platform to get a bigger one in, which they’ll likely do eventually.
@@kaya051285 90km/h speed limit is ridiculous and just stupid. Even at £5000, People will not buy a polo with a speed cap of 55 mph
Both the Model 3 and the Ioniq are low aerodynamic drag cars, but still the drag goes up by the square of the speed - and the power required to push it goes up by the cube of the speed!
You do a very good job..greetings from Romania!!
so many fans from Romania ! :)
Yes
Thank you so much for this nice Video!
Great test. Thank you so much.
Another great video, glad I'm buying Hyundai, hope you made video of the ionity recharge.
I like the gen2 Ioniq more and more thanks to your review, if only it wasnt so expensive in NZ, for 10% more i can but a model 3
Your not wrong the gap in pricing here in NZ is crazy
Shame the charging speed got such a nerf.
Excellent drive, an eye opener. I am still keeping my ID.3 1st order but my second choice would be this Ioniq, especially since they have lowered the price in Portugal to 33,000 €. The Ioniq might even be the more sensible option.
Nice!
Woww . It îs a amazing car. Maybe Hyundai will increase de battery. Good job. Thank you for sharing wit us.
Very interesting, thank you for the test. It's such an amazing car and I never thought the Ioniq could do 180 km/h. I looking for an EV which can go 280 kilometers (90% autobahn / 5% urban area) with only one charge. But therefore the batteries of the Ioniq first and second generation are a bit too small. I mean it's possible but then I have to almost hypermile it.
This is a good speed limit. It’s like fossil topspeed but you are there way faster. Good job Ionic.
It drives faster than the most expensive gasoline volvo. Because they are all limited at 180
Chris, you should try drive in coasting mode for a while. Regen when you are continuing to drive is counterproductive. It is less efficient. Regen is great - but it should be reserved for when you actually need to slow down quickly.
I know you are the coasting lover.
I don't like it at all. I don't care that it is more efficient.
When I take my foot of the gas pedal, i want to feel a braking force.
One pedal driving all the time.
@@BatteryLife Understood. If range is important, then coasting can help. Highway driving is the least critical as far as slowing down - 1 pedal driving is a lot like racing, and is most useful in city driving.
Regen *always* loses more energy than coasting. The key thing that changes when you get used to coasting is you accelerate LESS, and you are smoother. The car does slow when coasting (especially at higher speeds), and so you learn to back off a little sooner. So having a lot of regen puts you in a more aggressive approach, which is harmful to range in 2 ways.
Also, I can't drive *anywhere* near as fast as you can in Germany - here the speed limits are 55mph to 65mph in most highways, and some areas of the country they are 75mph. I think I have only ever driven at 100+mph ONCE in my entire life. And it was pretty hairy ...
@Frugal Family Living Yuck lol
@@NeilBlanchard is there any good instruction of how to drive most efficient with coasting in mind?
Just bought an ioniq and want to learn more
Thanks for the info!
@@AzizIzgin The easiest way to think about driving efficiently, is to think about how you would ride a bicycle. Coast whenever it is possible - you add no energy, and use the kinetic energy of your mass moving forward - to continue moving it forward. Add as little energy as needed - and this can involve adding a little energy while going downhill - when you know there is an uphill right after. Anticipate your stops - and start coasting as you approach them. If you can slow down enough to time things so you don't have to stop, and you can then go through a green light - then you have saved a LOT of energy.
Accelerating from a stop is hard, so if you are in traffic, if you can just roll along at a low speed, that is much better than accelerating harder, and then having to stop again. Try to creep along, rather than stop and go and stop and go.
Look ahead on the highway - driving at a slightly lower speed and coasting a bit and so on, is much better than accelerating up to a higher speed, and needing to brake a lot / often. Even with regenerative braking, this is still true. Regen can only regain a portion of the energy, and you still lose energy to aero drag and rolling resistance - so if you coast, you are using more of the kinetic energy of the moving vehicle, than you would be with regenerative braking.
Regen is great for when you *need* to slow down / stop. But it is going to lose more energy than coasting.
I just was looking at our Bolt EV dashboard, and over 26,000 miles, the four drivers in my family have averaged 4.0 miles per kWh. This includes winter driving here in New England. The Bolt EV has a Cd of 0.308 which is not great. Lower drag coefficient vehicles should be able to average higher than this.
I also have the heated backseats in style-version. Still wondering why, but I won't complain about this :D
Try to test the electric Peugeot 208 !!
Good video as always bro !!!
Thanks. I am contact with Peugeot. They are talking about summer for press cars. Bit I amnot confirmed to get one yet.
@@BatteryLife That's superb ! Thanks a lot, waiting for it !!
Has anybody figured out, how the 28 kWh version behaves at higher speeds? Is it the same drivetrain except less capacity in the battery? So that assumed consumption between discharge of 80 to 20 % is similar?
What is the result of the test, what was the average consumption?
35-38 KWh is the sweet spot for EV. They are efficient because of low weight, cost effective and has a lesser environmental footprint as compared to Teslas
Possible.
But weight in an EV is not that big of a factor when it comes to efficiency.
I would have disagreed before I started watching this channel. But having seen this car get 6 miles per KWh on the motorway sticking to 90km/h (~56mph) it shows low drag EVs can get great range with modest battery packs
38KWh pack can give a range of upto 228 real miles on the motorway which is more than enough for me
For urban drivers who do on average 20 miles a day charging this car just once a week would be enough. So could even use it if a person doesn't have the ability to charge just charge once a week on a 50KW charger or even a slow 7KW public charger while out shopping
EV range should be stated as range at 100km/h on the motorway
This car can get ~200 miles at 100km/h speed
Urban range is irrelevant because urban driving is slow and not many miles
We need under 20k euros EVs with 350km range already.
The maximum power is limited by the BMS depending on the temperature of the liquid cooled battery
Yes, it is at lower SOC.
Sadly the ambient light does not change to the different driving mode.
Did you use the „sport“ wheel option while driving fast in the Model 3?
I tried all modes. Sport was the best on high speeds but still.
@@BatteryLife did you experience low stability for both TM3 RWD and AWD ?
interesting how the speed is not limited as they say on the website...
The website is an average/estimated. Depending on where you live, hills, temperature, speed limit, rush hour, wind velocity, rain vs sun, number of squirrels and deer and skunks lounging in the middle of the road, jaywalkers, and so on, all act as variables. Just as with non-hybrid gas engines.
I hope teslabjorn will see this! 😹
What’s the “kick down” you mention on the accelerator pedal?
When you fully press the accelerator pedal and press further there is a button you can press. This is the kickdown button. Name might be wrong. It does different stuff in every ev. Useually it kicks you out of Eco mode to have full power for overtaking or dangerous situations.
I had no idea! I have a 300km+ trip ahead of me tomorrow, so time to test. Lots of high speed and hills. Thanks!
I did some testing, and no matter which mode I'm in normal, sport, or eco, I don't feel any resistance or additional change at the bottom of the accelerator pedal, and all modes go up to 100kW of usage on the monitor. The rate at which they get there differs, but they all go to 100kW. Canadian model 2020 Ioniq Ultimate. Oh well? :)
How fast does it charge after that drive, when battery is hot?
Same. Was not too hot.
Can you tell us how much you were charged on the ionity charger in the UK they are charging 79p per kw.
With the Maingau Card 0,35€ per kWh.
Thanks for the reply I'm getting my new Ioniq in June can you tell me how you can get an Maingau Card.
Are you sure this model of the Ioniq can read speed limit signs? Doesn't the speed limit come from the navigation unit? Waze and Sygic will show the speed limit. I searched and wasn't able to find the function for the Ioniq.
Yes, I am sure. It reads construction site signs, that are not in the navigation.
@@BatteryLife good to know. New capabilities for the new model. 👍
Hope they bump the battery to 42-45Kwh for the 2021 model.
Sorry, no battery updates for the Ioniq for a while.
How accurate is the speedometer of this car? What is GPS speed?
GPS is 4 to 5 kmh less. But over all speeds the same.
@@BatteryLife so the real top-speed of the car is around 175 km/h, right? Not bad at all :)
I think that is amazing for this car.
What is the range if u cruise in 120/130 km/h?
Next video, already online ;)
@@BatteryLife ok, so what was the answer?
in regen it accepts 85kW but can't charge faster than 50lW??
Regen is only for a short while.
What do you mean when you use the word REGEN?
Regenerative braking
45kwt/100km... Emtpty in 30 minutes then...
Tesla fanboys will not like you :o)
That is ok. I am saying how I feel it. I am not lying. I am not a VW Fanboy nor a Tesla fanboy nor any Fanboy.
@@BatteryLife That's why I like your channel!
Why?
He had done the 1.000 km record for tesla in a model 3 in 9:29 hours ... so no need to complain for any tesla preacher.
For a review of one car (Ioniq) you are talking an awful lot of another car (model 3). ;)
But it's informative to have the comparison and in many countries the price difference between the two is also not that much. So I prefer that there is some context provided. 👍🏻
Good, the Teslas are the comparison point many make when talking about EVs, they set the benchmarks in may people opinions so anything positive compared to a Tesla is worth knowing.
Its not abou HP ;) I got 140HP and top speed 210Km/h (GPS speed). IONIQ is not a sports car :D
Yes, we know. Ioniq could drive faster. But it is limited so the electric motor does not spin to fast.