Hyundai Ioniq Electric 38kWh range test (in UK summer). Wow, these are efficient!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video, I look at the efficiency and range of the Hyundai Ioniq Electric 38kWh. I've done various efficiency videos in the past, but in this video I drive the car all day (8 hours) to use the full battery pack to see how many miles I can drive for when trying to drive efficiently, but at the same time, keeping to the traffic or maximum road speeds.
The 'official' range of the 38kWh Ioniq is 193 miles using the WLTP test and 170 miles using the EPA test. While most EVs struggle to achieve the rated range in the real world, the Ioniq is incredibly efficient and the official tests don't do the car justice. Even without trying to drive efficiently, the car can achieve the rated range easily. But if you put some effort in, you can smash it. As I showed in this video, I got 256 miles out of it and averaged 6.9mpkWh. But I've done better in the past and it is possible to drive even more efficiently and get further!
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Timestamps
00:00 Ioniq efficiency
00:39 Watching tips
01:06 Start up
01:58 New inefficient EVs
03:40 The drive & conditions
05:55 How to drive efficiently
09:40 Results at 76% SoC
11:48 Results at 50% SoC
13:04 Final results
15:08 Total range
16:15 After a charge
18:08 Comfort
18:46 Economy history display
20:45 Outro
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I can't believe we started with these efficient cars and ended up with the cars some can only make 2.5 miles per kW!
It's what puts me off changing my 28 - the £/mi for some of them could be double what my Ioniq costs me now.
I might look at 2021 - 2023 Model 3 SR as they are close to the same efficiency and rapid charging at Superchargers is actually cheaper than all other providers - earlier models are not as efficient (no heat pump) and the new one doesn't have an indicator stalk (and that bothers me)
too much power is half the problem.
@@GoGreenAutos for sure. The Model 3 Performance (you can get a used one in the low £20k's now) is 480bhp!
@@FFVoyager And no driver's display, what a terrible idea!
The Wind Knife was the most amazing EV and completely flew under the radar. Im seeking a 28kw SE model with low milage. I have a friend that could easily eek 200 miles out of his 28kw version, that’s his badge of honour!
I've got this exact 2020 model, it's really such a comfortable and excellent car to drive, it's my first time buying an EV and I'll honestly never go back, my fuel costs have reduced roughly by about 80%.
Yep, me too. The only trouble with the car is it spoils you for anything else!
To put things in perspective for people who don’t know the performance of the Ioniq28 / Ioniq38 EVs:
the other day I did a 320 miles trip with my Ioniq28, with 85%-90% of the trip on the motorway, it was cold, windy, heavy rain, classic British winter day, so had the heat pump on at 20deg throughout the trip, drove with adaptative cruise control on 70mph, and reached around 60-65mph of average speed for the trip: the efficiency was still at 4.5 miles/kWh, which most EVs cannot reach even in summer 😂.
The Ioniq 28 premium has a 88kW electric motor, but even at motorway speed or going up-hill, with the car full, I have never seen it go higher than 45kW of power.
So very efficient EV indeed ❤
I would second that - my 'longest day' was 430 miles on a chilly, wet February day, mostly motorway and fast A-roads and I averaged 4.6mi/kWh.
I'm going to experiment today - 35 mile trip to Exeter (from Taunton) usually go down the M5 an would expect around 4.5mi/kWh given it's still freezing out there - but I have time, so will meander down the A38 and let you know what the efficiency is when I arrive. My guess now (09.50 just before I leave) would be over 5mi/kWh and a journey time of about an hour instead of 45 minutes.....
@@FFVoyager 👏🏻
@@Nikoo033well - temperature between 0c - 3c I got 4.9mi/kWh on the way down.
Came back up the motorway at 4c and the final total was 4.7mi/kWh
No great benefit in going a bit slower on the A road!
I was using heating as required! Could have perhaps saved a fraction by being a bit colder in the car!
@@FFVoyager that’s very much consistent with what I got. 👌🏻
I bought my 72 plate premium earlier this year and no regrets. Very efficient and have topped 230 in summer. Does suffer from cold a bit but wouldnt change to a newer car. They missed an opportunity to stretch the chassis into an estate and add extra Kw capacity. Prices have dropped significantly so get a bargain and go EV
Long live the king of efficiency! During summer my Ioniq 38 estimates its 100% range to 419 km (260 miles). In winter it drops to 372 km (231 miles), which is still way higher than the WLTP range! This car is a hidden gem ❤
Impressive!
For me it's not very efficient. I own a 38kwh Ioniq produced in 2022, bought it new. Now it has around 18.000 km on the clock. I drive 5 km in city to work and 5 back home. The average consumption is 19kwh/100km. At full it shows me around 245km total range. Probably if you drive it around town all the time and the car is heated up the consumption goes down but if I drive short trips in town at -6 degrees Celsius the consumption is very high. Also something strange is happening. If for example I arrive at work with 37% SoC and leave the car for 8 hours until I leave back home, it often happens that the SoC will drop to 30% or even below that. So it loses more than 7% by just staying in the parking space. Not so happy about it...
@@ConstantinBanciuIt should not drop 7% like that, I would definitely document it by showing mileage and percentage before and after and go to a dealer to get it checked.
@@ConstantinBanciu losing 7% SoC in 8 hours is really surprising. Something fishy is going on. When i go on vacation and leave my car for two weeks in my garage, it looses around 2-3 percent SoC. Also regarding high consumption on very short trips, in -6 C temperature: that is normal, your battery and drive train lose efficiency in cold temperature. Usage of AC to heat the cabin further drains the battery and dramatically increase consumption. Prefer the usage of heated seats instead of AC. Also do you have winter mode activated ? If i remember well, it is heats up battery when temperature is negative to preserve its performance, thus it increases the consumption.
@@TH3G4M3SM4N The winter mode only heats up the battery during charging. If it would heat up during driving than I would get some readings on the Infotainment screen were you see driving,climate,electronics and battery care. Regarding the sudden drop of SoC, it also happens the other way around. Sometimes if I charge it to 80% and leave the car in the garage, the next day it shows 83%.
EV Dabler mede en excellent video in the consumption of the Ioniq. The sweet spot is 43 mile/ h (or 70 km/ h).
EV's have gone backwards in my opinion.
This was peak EV
I would agree, with the exception of Tesla. They keep innovating. The heatpump on the new Teslas are amazing and so more advanced than others.
@@GoGreenAutosdon't the premium variants of the 28 and 38 ioniq have heat pump?
@@JohnLasseter-ct5in Yes, all UK spec Ioniqs have heat pumps. I meant that Tesla heat pumps are different to all others.
absolutely, Ioniq (both classic and facelift) were superb cars, in germany there are a few Ioniq classic with > 300.000km and 85% SOH, this is indeed incredible.
I've had this car for 3.5 yrs now and this assessment is 100% 'on the money'. The reason i bought another one used after a 3 year lease. Happy bunny 👍
Hi I also have 38kwh Ioniq. I thing also that no other EV beats efficiency Ioniq. I have found that you don't have 3 levels of regen but 4 levels. By holding the left hand paddle towards and holding on you have higher regen. Nothing in manual to tell you. Great video,s.
That will actually bring the car to a stop so full one pedal driving
i just bought one with full options.
I'll received it within 5 days i can't wait to use it 🙂
@@tomselek7560Have you got it yet? I'm hoping to get one v v soon!
@@ohyesitsme Annoyingly this doesn;t work when in cruise control though is that right?
@@AndyKennedy yes i'm verry happy with it.
I can drive for 300km since i do not use eco mode but normal mode.
My wife and kids are happy too it's an amazing car
I own this car, In motorways, this car gives 140 miles in long run in winter if you put heating 3-4 times continuously before the travel & with heating ON while running . After full charge it gives range varies from 168 to 200 miles
I love these cars, i even love how they look which a lot of people don't. I hope im lucky enough to be able to own one one day.
Prices are getting lower and lower, factor in cheap running costs it’s actually very affordable. I love mine!
I wonder if newer battery tech will allow swaps of these older packs for newer denser packs and possibly hit 300/400 miles? I get about 4.3mi/kwh in the 2021 facelift 64kw Kona, which averages about 280 miles on the GOM in the winter, I usually get around 5.5mi/kwh and it shows 350ish miles on the GOM. I’d love to see what’s possible with a 64Kw battery in an Ioniq.
I like the style of this video. No hype. Easy to listen to voice. Just good explanation. Thanks for being real.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Totally agree on the seat comfort!
Damn i love your videos:)
Damn, I love your comment.
Brilliant cars and efficiency! Only 4% depredation. Amazing!
V good, thank you!
This Classic Ioniq charges fast for the size and the old school cobalt chemistry helps here... Great video BTW... Immediately subscribed 👍 Per (DK)
Thanks
Fairly sure that the packs of the Ioniq 28/38 are Lithium ion, not NMC.
Amazing. My friends wife has a new Citroen eC4 & I’m sure he said she’s getting under 2m kWh in this cold weather. My eniro is getting 3.6 at motorway/sub urban speeds
I even got shown up to 427 km of range at 100% SOC in the summer (267 mi)... That's why I love my Ioniq so much!
All the people that made the mistake in buying a iPace , eTurd , Merc , anything Stellantis etc must be watching these figures in disbelief.
I have a Stellantis/Vauxhall eCorsa. Admittedly in winter, but I'm only getting around 3 miles/kwh. I suspect they designed the ICE version first, then made minimum changes to produce an electric version . I guess the Ionic has the same origins, they just did a better job: Stated range on the eCorsa is 208 miles - I have never seen better than 160 miles, and that's in the summer going 60mph on motorways! Next car's probably a Tesla Model 3.
I'm close to buying a 2021 38kWh Premium SE with around 20,000 miles on the odometer and I'm hoping I'll have a chance to run CarScanner to get an idea of the battery SoH. Having watched a number of your other Ioniq videos you highlight the ~10% inaccessible buffer at the extremes of the battery which are "consumed" by degradation before the accessible range is affected. Given most people accept 1% degradation a year is normal, would you feel it should be fair to expect a car of this age (3 years) to read 100% SoH to the point where if it's anything less, I should walk away? Love your videos, by the way. You really are the TH-cam reference for classic Ioniq information!
I've never seen an Ioniq with anything other than 100% SoH, so yes I guess so as the next one will be.
Thank you for the video love!
@@GoGreenAutos Thanks for the reply - one other query I had is does the heating/AC operate when the Ioniq 38kWh is rapid charging? I had a Renault Zoe ZE50 for about 18 months with ONTO and, as I did a lot of distance work and all my charging was public, I got frustrated by its refusal to run HVAC whilst charging and thus sitting freezing for 30 minutes while it charged! The VW ID.3 I had for 6 months had no such limitations.
@@MrBinabanana I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever tried. The only time I've ever rapid charged an Ioniq a handful of times and this was for video content! Ask in the Ioniq Facebook group.
Looks like you have a very healthy battery pack. I've seen Ioniq 38s with 160 miles predicted range when fully charged, which is 4 miles / kWh. Your 5 miles / kWh at 70mph is particularly impressive in comparison.
The prediction is really only to do with how you drive it rather than battery pack health. The pack is actually 40.4kwh and that headroom means its doesnt see any impact on mileage until the degradation is more than 5% and the car would likely have done over 100k by then.
@@richardlphillips degradation also depends on how you drive, charge and store the battery so presumably we are likely to see different levels of degradation in used Ioniqs? I'm just thinking about this as a potential buyer for a used Ioniq with high mileage.
@@decimal1815 of course that is 100% correct but you are only really going to get an accurate figure if you plug in an OBD monitor and look at the state of health, and even that could probably be taken with a pinch of salt. Seeing quite a few examples now of Ioniqs with 60-70k miles on with 100% soh, so it looking good so far. Time will tell i guess, but the degradation is shielded from the user because of the buffer in the battery. Not the same for all cars though
yes, Nissan made a mistake in my opinion with the Leaf "40" when the usable battery was 36kWh new (a huge buffer); it raised expectations beyond what the car was capable of.. even before taking efficiency and degradation into account. Same with the Leaf "62" (56kWh).
@@richardlphillips It is recommended that ev batteries should not be discharged below 20% & charged above 80% so the usable amout of ev batteries is 60% right? It just confuses me a bit?
Regen braking is better than using friction brakes but the best approach is to judge speed well ahead of slow down points and just reduce the "accelerator" so you lose a little speed with the energy flow meter showing approx zero.
Great video, I have the 28kWh version. Prefer it as it has faster DC charging up to 68kW unlike yours that is only 50kW even though it has less range but who cares if there is plenty of public fast chargers(DC). I use the Coast mode ALOT which I love. Mind you mine will be sold soon as my lease is ending in about 3 months. Moving to new 2024 Kona EV. There is no 'engine' in an EV. ;) Good efficiency mind you I use the metric Wh/km for my efficiency numbers. Tyres as I've found do help my original ones were EV specific the new ones are not and lost 15-20km range(not good).
What tyres did you replace them with?
@@benellis7427 Well I wasn't around when my tyre got a puncture so someone else who had borrowed my car took it to a nearby tyre shop and they put on Dunlop Sport which are now due to be replaced in the next 5000km unlike my original tyres. I would look at Hankook iON EV tyre as it's developed from the ground up as an EV specific tyre.
regarding the driving history, my 28kWh 2018 model only updates every half day for the past driving. So doing some driving in the morning only get an driving history after noon has passed.
I'm considering either this or used kona electric (64kwh). On average in my country the price difference is somewhere near 2000 to 3000 euros (kona is more expensive) would you say it's worth it to go for kona or is the ioniq 38kwh just that good ?
I managed 6.5 over a 250 mile drive from Cumbria to scotland including Shap and Bettock
in my Ioniq 28 which is about 180 miles on 1 charge.
They are reaĺy a SuperCar
what was the mph?
I also wish that manufacturers would focus more on real world cars not these monstrous powerful suvs with massive batteries. Hyundai need to just update the 38 and sell it for a reasonable price.
I’ve got one of these, it’s great on efficiency. You mentioned they come with a heat pump, but I don’t think they do and we’re not an optional extra either? I’m sure mine hasn’t got a heat pump.
All UK Ioniq Electric (both 28 & 38kWh models) have heat pumps as standard.
It may be different in other markets.
absolutely love mine. brilliantly efficient. for me 195 in summer 165 in winter. 2 things would love to upgrade is the battery to 50kw would love a 250 mile range. also the charging speed. that said i love it love LOVE IT ❤
Well as I showed in the video, it is possible to get over 250 miles with careful driving.
What do you reckon the average battery degradation is per year on these from your experience? 2.5%? That would give just over 35kWh capacity after 3 years. So for 70mph driving, in summer, the range should be around 176 miles, assuming 5 miles per kWh.
@@decimal1815There may be some but you will not notice it in 3 years.
.. and a rear wiper.. and a front charging port.. and a 360 parking camera.
Yes just curious as predicted range in Ionic 38s for sale that I've looked at is around 160 miles, implying an average 4 miles per kWh.
256 miles on 1 charge is nuts! My usual drive is along similar roads to what you drove here, would you say you get this on an average drive for yourself?
To be honest, I typically don't make any effort to drive efficiently as the range is plenty and therefore don't need to max it out. However in the summer, I would get around 220 miles on average. As always, it depends on how you drive.
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for the reply. I got this car yesterday so not really tested out the mileage yet, its currently at 79% and says 117 miles according to the blue drive app, so I'm assuming that number updates as it learns your driving habbits. Still 220 miles+ when its advertised as 192 is really promising news
Good car!! It’s not for me, but it’s a very good car indeed!!
Hello all, Any one have news on coolant problem and if its now fixed or still not? He dont deal about this since 5 months so...
I really want to get this as a second car but no chance in convincing the Mrs, she absolutely hates the look of it. I think it's amazing for the money! Total bargain.
I think the looks grow on you. I appreciate much like the Tesla model 3 the design is actually a piece of engineering that lots of work has gone into.
Thank you for nice demo. EV does not have cruise control? Sad.
Yes, it does. And semi-autonomous driving. See th-cam.com/video/wHHPvtBhF_c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ijsBGwxm1LoT4Nkx
Ours can still hit this range after 73000km (45000mi) around town
is it true that the 28kwhr charges faster than the 38kwhr, and therefore better or about the same on road trips?
Yes that's correct. The 28kWh Ioniq has a peak charging rate of 69kW, whereas the 38kWh is 44kW.
Hmm this is interesting. Bjørn Nyland keeps saying that the soc scale is non-linear, but this seemed very linear based on the 50 percent range prediction and miles traveled at that point.
It's non linear once you get under 10% and less linear the closer you get to 0.
EV dabbler has indeed shown (at least for the 28kWh version) that the SoC is not linear because there’s is more energy in the cells from the “top of the battery pack” (100%-50%) than in the lower half. Look it up on the Ioniq forum.
@@Nikoo033 uhm no.. if the scale is linear (comletely up to the software) there is the same amount of energy in the first 50 percent as in the last 50 percent - hence linear.
But if they just measure voltage or amps out, it will be non-linear, and the first 50 percent vill hold more energy than the last, on the scale presented to the user.
Maybe they have tuned the algorithm in the 38 kw version to give a more linear readout.
Seemed so in this real-life example, hence my comment.
Many EVs are like this. But if you push it past zero, there's usually ~10 miles of range available which then makes it sort of linear??
@@orlovsskibet EV Dabbler measured it for the 28kWh Ioniq, using measurements of its energy usage figures, not from the figures displayed by the dashboard. Look it up. I believe him because the guy is very tech/numbers savy, into programming and stuff.
sadly, these cars started at double price compared to i30 fastback in CZ. but more expensive cars depriciate more, so the cars are fairly cheap lightly driven.
During this cold spell my 38kwh 2020 Ioniq shows 149 miles range at 100% battery. In summer it was 176 miles range.
You have to remember what is shows on the display is only an estimate and not always reality. If it shows 149 miles, you'll likely be able to get considerably more if you actually just kept driving. This is because your energy consumption is greater when the heat pump has to warm the cabin and the energy consumption reduces considerably when its warmed up. So lots of short trips are inefficient but a longer trip isn't, so you'll still get a decent range.
What pressure you have in the tires?
36 psi cold
Efficient yes, but sadly way too slow in charging AC as well as DC! 😢 The could have kept the charging speed of the 28 Version at least or upgrade to the 11 kW for AC as in the Kona! 😮😢
Just shows there’s no need to be dragging around 60+kwh of battery weight when most don’t drive that much in one or two days. Lighter weight car inc smaller battery with great aero is the best solution. Pity the charging speeds are woeful on it v the older version but still ok for the few times you need it for longer drives and because it’s smaller battery doesn’t take that long to charge.
Exactly
Hyundai and kia are very efficient, the elephant in the room is the transaxle! Bearings don't last long enough!
Evclinic and carrepairvideos don't recommend these cars!
@garysmith5025 very interesting because there are videos of people complaining about the bearings on the transaxle!
The TH-camr called "fancy a bev mate" sold his nissan leaf and bought a kia eniro now he has the same problem! I asked our local dealer here in Stoke and they said is known fault and they will replace the transaxle under warranty!
@garysmith5025 if you have the registration number of that car, I can check on dvla website m.o.t check to verify the 300k miles you are saying.
@garysmith5025 I hear what you are saying but is very hard to verify! As a taxi driver, is a hard decision to make. I might just go for nissan leaf 62kwh even though they are not as efficient as Hyundai and kia but they seem to be more liable.
MG has endless issues too!
Such a shame that Hyundai limited the charging power of this 38kWh model to 50kW and gave it such an inefficient charging curve 😢
On long journeys, it is much slower than the 28kWh. For example, on ABRP, a trip from Edinburgh to London takes 8 hours 30 minutes with the 28kWh Ioniq, but 9 hours and 12 min for the 38kWh Ioniq. So 40 min slower at best, using 5miles/kWh (which by experience is very accurate for motorway driving) and “quickest trip” in ABRP settings.
Same number of stops (4), but they’re all 35-50 min long for the 38kWh, whereas only 20-26 min for the 28kWh.
Reminder: on rapid chargers the 28kWh charges at 66kW almost constant from 20%-80%, then drops to 45kW or so then 22kW until it reaches 94%.
It's worth remembering that if you charge the 28kWh to 80% (from a theoretical 0%), you're only adding 22.4kWh of energy. Adding 22.4kWh of energy to the 38kWh battery takes it up to 59% which is still in the 45-50kW "fast" part of the 38kWh car's charge curve. Accepted, it's not the 66kW the 28kWh can manage in the right conditions, but if you're adding the same energy to each battery, you don't have to worry about the significantly slower charging speeds of the 38kWh above 60%.
You can often get more comparable results in ABRP if you limit the maximum charge to 60% or 70% with the 38kWh.
If your journey requires en-route charging, the 28kWh can be quicker in many situations, but not all. For example, if your journey required one charging stop, you'd potentially need to add less energy to reach your destination in the 38kWh because you were able to start out with more. So even though it charges more slowly, the time spent at the charger would be comparable because you wouldn't need to add as much energy. As a bonus, you would also use more energy at domestic rates and less energy at public charger rates!
@@MrBinabanana However, your estimates are simply not realistic. Real world driving with the Ioniq electric means no lower than 10-15% state of charge (SoC), particularly in winter and when driving at motorway speed. Anything lower is like playing with fire because there are about 12 min left of driving between 15% and 5% of SoC at ~65mph average motorway speed and with 4.5 miles/kWh of efficiency. So you have got to be close to a junction or services. From 5% you then enter turtle mode, which is not very pleasant…
So with real motorway driving figures, you’d drive down to 10%-15% at best, and then you’d charge up to 80% or 94% (DC max on the Ioniq28).
If you were to charge from 15% to 80%, that’s 65% of battery capacity or 18.2kWh for the Ioniq28. 22.4kWh if charged up to 94%.
With the charging speed and curve of the Ioniq28, you get this energy back into the pack in ~ 16 min for 80% SoC, or ~25 min for 94% SoC.
For the Ioniq38, 18.2kWh corresponds to 47.5% of battery capacity and 22.4kWh is 58.5%.
For the Ioniq38, the charging speed between 15% and 50% SoC ramps up very slowly from 40kW to ~45kW, so 42.5kW average. After that, it drops to ~33kW average between 50% and 70% SoC.
Therefore, if you were to put in the Ioniq38 battery pack the same amounts of energy as above with the Ioniq28 (15%+47.5%=62.5% SoC or 15%+58.5%=73.5% SoC) it would take you 26 min (versus 16 min) for 18.2kWh or 42 min (versus 25 min) for 22.4kWh.
The Ioniq38 is basically 1.5 - 2 times slower to charge in these conditions.
So yes, from departure SoC 100% and with destinations within 150 miles, the Ioniq38 is worth it. But as soon as you have several legs in a long trip, the difference in charging speed is very much an inconvenience.
@@Nikoo033 One could argue though, that if long road trips are your life then neither model is really a great fit. There always seems to be arguments as to which is better, but the truth is, they're both excellent and each is slightly better than the other in specific usage cases. These days, I do long trips infrequently so the 38kWh will suit me fine - plus the nicer interior, infotainment and Bluelink are a win.
One minor correction which skews your sums slightly is that the 38kWh charges at ~50kW to 60% before lowering the charge rate. Only the earliest models throttled at 50% and this was revised to 60% in a subsequent BMS update. Honestly, the 38kWh really isn't as bad as you think as long as you charge between 15% and 65% on the road. It might make a 200+ mile trip take 10 minutes longer, but if 10 minutes here or thee when charging was a real concern, we wouldn't be driving EVs in the first place :)
@@MrBinabanana didn’t know about this BMS update for the Ioniq38. So if it’s now constant 50kW between 15%-65% SoC, that means it probably adds 19.15kWh or 86 miles in ~ 23-25 min (if driving at 4.5 miles/kWh). What does it drop down to? Still 33kW?
I was about to buy this one in 2022. But I just found out Hyundai stopped producing this. I was gutted.. ended up with an ugly Kona....
Surprised you say that about motorway efficiency…I once did 15mins at 60mph and my 28k Ioniq just lost 6miles off the GOM (zero regen)
Also as an Engineer I believe that packing batteries in to a vehicle to get more range makes it heavier so bigger brakes are needed making it heavier and so a bigger motor consuming more electriceric is required..! Hence these reviewers think 3.3m/KWh is OK, I can get 6.2 - 6.3 m/KWh with my Ioniq (28k) 🤔
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