Dr. Jordan Peterson & Faytene - The Centre, Abortion, Family & Women's Rights
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2025
- This a segment of an interview by Faytene Grasseschi with Dr. Jordan Peterson.
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Appreciate the video, it helped me learn alot of about the issues at hand
I wonder what Dr. Peterson thinks of very strickt abortion laws like in Poland. Should it be allowed to abort when foetus has very bad diseases leaving her/him to be disabled for entire life?
I guess i could ask you whether you could kill a human being with a very bad disease?
Damn, good thinking
@@ccpol8525 Yes. If the 18-20 week routine diagnostic ultrasound reveals the child is no longer growing (Fetal growth restrictions) and the skull is either not fusing or the brain (or where the brain should be) is just cerebral fluid (severe hydrocephaly) and a Dr advises the baby is brain dead, these congenital malformations will not give this baby any quality of life. So... you can continue with the pregnancy for another 4 months and be monitored closely to watch if the baby passes in the womb, and meanwhile you plan for what they call "a good death" in the literature. So you plan/set up the baby to go to palliative care if it survives outside the womb... or you bring it home. OR you terminate the pregnancy before the baby is viable outside of the womb. If this is the case... two specialist Dr's and genetic counselors (who are also doctors) will sign on (at least in Canada) to agree to preform a therapeutic abortion. What they do in Canada is very similar to amniocenteses where a small needle is inserted into the mother abdomen, and they insert a serum in the babies heart which stops it in seconds... the mother is then decided to deliver the baby vaginally so if she chooses she can hold the baby and then the family is provided with grievance counselors and guided in how to plan cremation/funeral. Or the mother is given the option to do this under sleep so she doesnt have to hold the baby but still they have to preform a funeral/cremation at that stage in a pregnancy. The baby isn't just thrown in a trash at that stage. The choice came down to giving the baby a painless ending vs a suffering ending. Other examples of theraputic / medical late term abortions happen if the mothers life is in danger. They try to prolong the pregnancy to deliver the baby when it has a chance to survive outside of the womb which is 22 weeks. Beyond that babies have a chance of living in the NICU. But if that isn't possible, they have to terminate the pregnancy to save the mother. The other reason would be twin pregnancies or triplets. one of the baby has congenital malformations and is in the process of dying... and in the meantime is risking the life of the other twin (I'm not a dr so I can't explain why this happens but it does) so the parents have to decide to again terminate that one child to save the other one that has a chance at living or put it in gods hands which usually ends in both babies dying. So really ... no on ever thinks of those examples... they just think late abortions of a disabled baby are just otherwise healthy down syndrome kids... in that case. Parents find out at 18-20 week anatomy scan and are given genetic counseling and no reputable dr would preform that type of abortion passed 23 weeks gestation, in Canada at least. When you are getting into late term abortions it's coming down to a family who really wanted a baby and if there is no good medical reason... you aren't going to find a Dr who is reputable who will agree to do the abortion for no medical reason.... and it's not safe beyond that time if no reputable dr will do it and you have to find some shady dr to do it that you pay a bunch of money to.
Depends
@@megansampson5445 TLDR
No reputable Dr in Canada would preform an abortion after 24 weeks. At that stage it's not abortion it's delivering. The average late term abortions which is a small percentage of abortions are 18-20 weeks at the diagnostic anatomy scan. WIthin that small percentage at the anatomy scan you are dealing with parents really wanting that baby, planning for the baby, already announcing the baby to family and then they discover at the anatomy scan... they have a tough decision to make. Multiple scenarios that isn't just talking about a otherwise healthy down syndrome baby. The cases are usually severe congenital malformations like excess cerebral fluid in the brain to point the baby is indeed brain dead, but otherwise their heart is fine... usually multiple deformities on top of another like they are no longer growing, they have barely a kidney function. So parents are told the severity and they are basically told now you are planning for the death of the baby. You can decide to end the baby peacefully. In Canada the Dr will usually perform a procedure that is very similar to amniocenteses where a thin needle is inserted into the moms abdomen, guided by ultrasound the dr will insert a serum in the babies heart and the baby passes away within seconds, painlessly. The mother is then given the choice to be induced, give birth vaginally so she and the father can hold her baby and then prepare for burial or cremation, offered counseling, grief councilors and essentially treated in hospital as if they delivered a still birth. The other choice they are given is to proceed with the pregnancy, be watched carefully and prepare for the death after the baby is no longer in the mother's womb... they are given the option of taking the baby home to die there or to have the baby die in palliative care hooked up to tubes. These cases happen more than people think, but in the literature they are grouped within pregnancy loss articles and not as the medical term "therapeutic abortion." Other medical needs would be a pregnancy with multiples like twins... one twin has stopped growing has deformities and then poses a risk of killing the other twin who is otherwise healthy. SO that procedure is preformed on the twin to at least give one baby a chance. Beyond that diagnostic stage... when you are looking at a baby at 22-24 weeks... you are entering the stage of you know the baby is looking healthy after the anatomy scan. That is behind the parents. But around that time a complication can pop up where the mother's life is in danger... advances have been made that there is a chance for a otherwise healthy baby to be delivered / induced and placed in the NICU. So the option at that stage... if they know the baby is healthy... is to induce labor and hope the baby can survive on machines. Otherwise... you will never see a reputable Dr. in Canada preform an abortion. You need multiple specialized Dr's to give their medical advise and sign off on a late abortion... they consider what is in best interest of the baby or the mother to proceed with the procedure. There maybe there are rare cases between 22-24 weeks where the family weren't able to make the anatomy scan until then... but it isn't happening these "9 month abortions". It doesn't happen... because even if it is in the law... there is no Dr that would preform it at that stage for no medical reason. People do have the choice to abort children with syndromes if they foresee they can not raise for instance a otherwise healthy downsyndrome child. The parents are directed to genetic counseling and need to make the decision by 23-24 weeks gestation. But beyond that time... there is no Dr in Canada who would preform it.
Again... Canada does not do Gender diagnostics until 18-20 week anatomy scan. No dr would sign off on a "therapeutic abortion" purely because a baby is a girl or a boy. Would have to go to a very shady unsafe dr to preform that.
Do you know for a fact that no doctors in Canada perform abortions beyond 24 weeks. There are clinics in the US that perform elective abortions up until week 32. They are located in Albuquerque, Boulder, and DC. As long as the woman has the money, they will perform the termination.
BUT, the government will gladly pay your third trimester abortion if you go do it in the US
I'm almost 84 years of age, and never had an abortion, but have studied for years all the many reasons women do have abortions.
As a result of that study, I conclude that judging morality itself is futile and narcissistic ... because a woman that is determined to abort, is in such a desperate from of mind, she would rather die than proceed in the pregnancy.
So, my choice is, to leave out the judgment of whether or not what the woman is doing is moral or immoral ... and try to make certain that she has the best medical help available to her so she can survive the abortion.
If and when that woman chooses to abort, the fetus will not be saved either way. And to lose the woman because she chose to abort ... well ... would THAT be a moral choice for a society of which to be proud?
Safe abortions is a pretty stupid thing, since for something to be safe, the life and well being of all parties should be protected, in an abortion, the life of the baby is always ended. Also, making abortion illegal will make the total number of abortion drop, resulting in less total death
@@juliengiroux7058 Apparently “God” has double standards … sarcasm intended.
ABORTION IS NOT A SIN ... author ... Kent B. Welton
"Sister Marianna is 35 years old. As a teenager, she pledged her life to Christ and entered a nunnery. She became an English teacher, and was working in the 1960's in the Belgium Congo at the time of the uprisings and revolutions. As a part of these uprisings, Sister Marianna and other nuns were raped repeatedly by the natives. She finally escaped to Belgium, where it was found that as a result of these rapes, she was pregnant. The Church quietly condoned the interruption of this and other pregnancies created under these circumstances. This is the same church subsidizing the opposition to compassionate laws concerning abortion for women who are not nuns."
Takey Crist M.D.
@@juliengiroux7058 I suggest that women should never be forced to have abortions, nor should they be forced to stay pregnant.
This doctor that places high value on fetuses, from my perspective, at least has his priorities in order.
From the book … ALL THAT MOVES US: A PEDIATRIC NEUROSURGEON, HIS YOUNG PATIENTS, and THEIR STORIES OF GRACE and RESILIENCE … author Jay Wellons.
The mother’s life is at risk. If something were to go wrong, we would fight first to save her, then the fetus.
@@juliengiroux7058 In an abortion usually it's just a fetus with no consciousness, though. There is no extra party.
@@devilmayclarify666 a baby before 3 years usually has no sense of self and no real consciousness, people in comatose are 100% unconscious, we still can kill themé A fetus feels pain at about 24 weeks
I don't actually agree with JP here. What about married couples who don't intend to have children? What about those cases in which contraception fails? I don't think that abortion is the consequence of a series of wrong choices here. But maybe my stance comes from the fact that i don't consider abortion murder, at least in the first 3 months of gestation.
What separates a baby that is 2 1/2 months to 3 1/2 months? Why is aborting a 2 1/2 month ok while not ok for the 3 1/2 month?
Lack of brainwaves, essentially
He isn't an expert on abortions from a medical standpoint. However, his one major point is that it is wrong because no one actually wants an abortion, no one would wish it upon someone, no one feels good about it. But he said he knows there are a lot of complex issues/problems beyond just the abortion itself... so that it is hard to actually put the procedure into legal terms of making it illegal. In Canada, there is no Dr that will preform an abortion beyond the 18-20 week anatomy scan sufficient medical reasons. Any sort of pamphlet you find about abortion in a hospital says up to 23 weeks. Beyond that you are moving into a time when the mother clearly had the routine anatomy scan where she found out if the baby was healthy... if she found out the baby wasn't she was sent to genetic counselors to speak with other types of dr's and had to make the choice before 23 weeks. If you are moving into the examples of oh well maybe the mother's life is at stake... well beyond 22 weeks the baby has a chance of living in the NICU so it's moving into the realm of just inducing labor and hoping for the best. But really... there is no reason past the anatomy scan that shows the babies severity of congenital malformations for an abortion. No Dr in Canada would do it without sufficient cause, even though technically the law has no restrictions in Canada. It comes down to medical reasoning that is making "restrictions." This is also why Canada doesn't do gender reveals until the 18-20 anatomy scan, to avoid people just terminating a healthy pregnancy based on gender. There is no Dr in Canada that would preform that sort of procedure unless someone goes to some sketchy hospital and in that case risk their life.
@Future Deadguyan honest question, if you are of the stance abortion is murder what are your thoughts on In Vitro Fertilization?
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OK - this has to be one of the subjects that Peterson does not answer. The question that needs to be answered is when is abortion the lesser of several evils. Rape is an obvious area, whereas abortion should not be a form of birth control to take responsibility away from grown ups.
This was a VERY empty talk!
He analysed it according to the issues presented at the time. On top of that atm Peterson is in a dire state. So unfortunately we both know that he can't say much about today's broken world
I would say that he gave his two cents on it, he said that it’s wrong no matter how you slice it basically, i mean that’s what bothers me the most, he also basically said that the real problem is that people are so damn promiscuous; getting people to get married more is the real solution.
I was satisfied with his response
@@nathansanrochman5018 No presenting marriage as a solution is a pseudomoralistic stand that does not offer any solution. The world has changed in the last especially 90 years since penicilin was invented. Sex is a natural urge and biologically there is a reason for how male and female sexuality works. Since we are not living primitive lives any more where a woman needed to give birth early and often for the survival of the spiecies, then we have the freedom to choose. Going back to the 1950'ies and before is not really what most people want though some religious groups do.
There are unwanted pregnencies, they have always been there, they will always be there and people that are fanatically against abortion tend to chainge their minds when it affects them directly.
it was empty because he already admitted in a past interview its beyond his realm of expertise... but that he does know no one would wish it upon someone and thats why its bad... but that there are many complex issues which make it impossible to make a law making it illegal. No one talks about the minority of abortions... they tend to only discuss the majority which is unplanned sex between people who don't want to be parents. Rarely talk about the instances of rape. They also don't differentiate between the argument to do with late abortions where people find out their child has a disability. With that argument no one separates the severity of what they mean by disability.. the happy down syndrome child going to a college is always the poster child against that argument. That's all well and good but you are not considering the examples of children so deformed with like hydrocelphy which is a common thing that happens... which is fluid in the brain making the brain unable to form properly and essentially in severe cases the baby is brain dead. There are children who have a bunch of defects like they don't have a kidney functioning properly and fetal growth restrictions where the baby isn't growing properly if at all past a certain point, the head isnt fused together and the brain is growing outside the body. There are other examples of defects that have nothing to do with the main syndromes people are aware about because typically with syndromes we are aware about these are children who are alive because they had a good chance of a good quality of life despite disabilities. No one talks about the differences or debates those issues in detail. They also don't debate the issues of the mother's life being in danger so either she dies or they terminate the baby and she lives. Or the issue of Twins... where one has major defects and is slowly dying but in the meantime is killing the otherwise healthy twin in the process. So Dr's have to preform an abortion of one twin to keep the other one alive. There are so many medical/marginalized reasons for abortions to be legal and no one ever talks about them.
"...as dreadful as marriage is." Damn, Dr. Peterson. That sharply contradicts his efforts to sell a special on marriage through The DW. He has talked about how awful divorces are and how men tend to become poor after a divorce. This is another atack for the "why get married?" Column.