One thing I would recommend with man, is to not get a profet on your first turn, but get a (unicorn) knight commander and then make him a prophet. This way you get a strong, and fast prophet that can quickly lead a group of knights around and bless them all. Also, I think your bless could be improved quite a bit by dropping awareness and one reinvigoration for getting 5x undying. With enchanted blood, 5x undying is pretty much equal to +10 hp as units who is at negative hp at the end of battle will always heal up to positive hp before the battle fully ends.
I was thinking the same thing for the prophet, but I thought undying only keeps undead alive after the battle and not living units. I guess it's something to do with enchanted blood that positive hp's them before end of battle?
@@jakeg7033 When a battle ends, something like 30 "after battle turns" are played out where various effects (decay, burning, poison) on units are applied. This include regeneration, allowing units with regeneration to regain hp before the battle truly ends. The 0.5 regeneration of enchanted blood is generally not enough for units to fully regain all their hp, but it is always enough to get to positive hp if they are at negative hp from undying. Undying have always worked great in combination with regeneration.
@@Kris_Lighthawk That's pretty good to know. I knew about the decaying etc turns from COE but never thought that it applied to regen. Thanks for the explanation and I will try to put it to good use!
A couple of thoughts on Heroism: you do discuss here how it doesn't affect your new recruited units, but there are two further considerations: firstly it does affect passive exp income and secondly your sacreds recruited later in the game will barely benefit compared to those recruited in the first 20-25 turns, simply because they will fight less and magic will kill more enemies as the game progresses. So making a statement such as " you will have roughly 1 more star" compared to going without it is true but it is more correct to say your first sacreds will have 1 more star while your later ones will maybe have 1/2 a star or less. Also regarding enchanted blood: I really like it vs assassin nations or nations that try to magic attack. It lets your sacreds regen up after fights and during the arena or chain assassinations, very handy.
Marignon would be cool too. I think you have a Mari playthrough up, but uh, you don't really get a chance to do insightful commentary when there's a bunch of people memeing on voice chat. And I know I already said it but yeah definitely, I know what everything's thinking. "I'll set all the AIs to random personality and then I won't know what they'll do." Yeah in practice not really, you just end up sabotaging your game randomly because some of the AI settings are extremely badly performing.
Seems like a bug in trusty research if you get the 1st turn research based on the magic scales of your cap instead of your drain level of pretender. A drain 3 Man shouldn't have 150 free research turn 1.
I like to take enchanted blood paired with undying. The regen is enough to prevent negative hp units dying at the end of the battle. I'm not convinced that the regen offered is worth it without that synergy, but you are also getting mr. I kind of like putting 9 points into undying enc blood, it also can prevent a sacred mage from dying to a random arrow.
The Heroism 3 (105%) math is pretty simple: between 8 unbuffed XP and 15, and between 25 unbuffed XP and 400, it is pretty close to straight plus one star (just because each XP tier is twice the last). Stops at 400 XP because that's when without Heroism you'd hit the max level. An XP star is 1 attack, 1 defense, 1 precision, 1 RP, 1 morale, and above 50 XP, it adds either 1 Strength or 2 HP and 1 encumbrance... Making it a very nice value conditional bundle (like 8 bless points worth of stuff... But who buys Precision for troops?) a la Blood Surge. But it does nothing for newly summoned sacreds, including battle summons, and so it is better the more durable your sacreds are and the more that you'll be using ones who've been around the block a while.
Personally i'm not that fond of the new defense blessings (awareness, blur) as first pick anymore. I would rather dump awareness and a point of heroism into 2 points of defense that works all the time. But that's me. :)
Blur I wouldn't prioritize on a glamour nation, in that you can buff it pretty easily, but awareness is I think pretty meaningful on high defense units, where most hits would come after getting harassed down anyway.
Fun! And this is a great nation. But so far, you haven't encountered _my_ problem with MA Man - not a big problem, admittedly. But those monks die in droves. I need them to bless my sacred cavalry, but they can't do anything else, so *they run into battle, hitting the enemy with their fists!* Yeah, they don't last very long. It doesn't seem to make any difference what orders I give them - after the scripted orders, at least. Once there's no one to bless - and no undead around - all they want to do is run forward to get murdered. It's not a big deal, I know, but it's a pain to keep running out of priests to bless my cavalry. Later on, once I have some Construction, I can make them a bow to keep them occupied. But that takes awhile, it's expensive, and they're still likely to get hit by an arrow. Oh, well, MA Man needs _some_ downsides, huh? :)
@@LucidTactics That's interesting, Lucid. What do your monks _do_ in a battle, after they have no one left to bless? When I played MA Man, they always ran forward and tried to punch the enemy - even when I had them on "stay behind" the troops. I couldn't tell them to stay put, and they have no other spells to use in most fights. It was so frustrating that I almost decided to tell them to retreat after they finished casting "bless," but that has other problems - especially during expansion. But I'll be interested to see how that works for you.
I think best to start with landless/longbow/Wardens then split those with wardens in stealth stack with huntsmen from forests, only then roll out knight/longbow. Starting knights too few so risk.
Yes, that's a definite possibility. Those wardens are great. (I tried a quickness bless, which was lots of fun. And they expanded very, very well.) But the cavalry recover from afflictions. And since you get so few of them, it was just really hard for me to waste the limited amount I can get in the capital on _anything_ else. It's just easy to be greedy with MA Man, isn't it? :)
@@Bill_Garthright Greedy over expansion too quickly yes guilty. I think the walk throughs even from good players tend to show over optimism at start but then the cavalry shines longer term (afflictions etc) so I prefer best of both sacreds then transition. For a map edge start, high dominion and an average ghost king dormant bless (as I wanted farcaster because of slower communions, death summons etc) with 2 production and 1 order I found I had to have a couple of wardens a turn anyway or waste capital recruitment as you get to 5 temples quickly....the thing is that the logistics of expansion mean that foresters and their commanders can reinforce from woods close to the front whilst the horses expand into the plains....but longbows to go with them do not keep up until forts on line.
Middle aged man............ Comedy gold
One thing I would recommend with man, is to not get a profet on your first turn, but get a (unicorn) knight commander and then make him a prophet. This way you get a strong, and fast prophet that can quickly lead a group of knights around and bless them all.
Also, I think your bless could be improved quite a bit by dropping awareness and one reinvigoration for getting 5x undying. With enchanted blood, 5x undying is pretty much equal to +10 hp as units who is at negative hp at the end of battle will always heal up to positive hp before the battle fully ends.
I was thinking the same thing for the prophet, but I thought undying only keeps undead alive after the battle and not living units. I guess it's something to do with enchanted blood that positive hp's them before end of battle?
@@jakeg7033 Enchanted blood has a very light 0.5 HP regen a turn. So it can bring them back to positive before the battle finishes.
@@jakeg7033 When a battle ends, something like 30 "after battle turns" are played out where various effects (decay, burning, poison) on units are applied. This include regeneration, allowing units with regeneration to regain hp before the battle truly ends. The 0.5 regeneration of enchanted blood is generally not enough for units to fully regain all their hp, but it is always enough to get to positive hp if they are at negative hp from undying.
Undying have always worked great in combination with regeneration.
@@Kris_Lighthawk That's pretty good to know. I knew about the decaying etc turns from COE but never thought that it applied to regen. Thanks for the explanation and I will try to put it to good use!
@@Kris_Lighthawk dont they die anyway from going into undying?My understanding is that only undead could heal back and survive after the battle.
A couple of thoughts on Heroism: you do discuss here how it doesn't affect your new recruited units, but there are two further considerations: firstly it does affect passive exp income and secondly your sacreds recruited later in the game will barely benefit compared to those recruited in the first 20-25 turns, simply because they will fight less and magic will kill more enemies as the game progresses. So making a statement such as " you will have roughly 1 more star" compared to going without it is true but it is more correct to say your first sacreds will have 1 more star while your later ones will maybe have 1/2 a star or less.
Also regarding enchanted blood: I really like it vs assassin nations or nations that try to magic attack. It lets your sacreds regen up after fights and during the arena or chain assassinations, very handy.
Vs ai they get xp all game long, less vs players
@@LucidTactics Isn't Dom6 also supposed to be a bit more about the army and less about the big mages? Have you felt a difference in that yet?
Idk in first 20 turns you're running around with 2-3 packs of 4-5 star knights with 3 heroism+. With some sort of defense bless you're unstoppable
Ashdod making moves to set that border
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Research bonus from heroism is nice, offsets drain a little. Also experience gives a boost to precision for sacred mages/archers/thugs with bows
Nice. Man ma is one of My current faction interest.
Marignon would be cool too. I think you have a Mari playthrough up, but uh, you don't really get a chance to do insightful commentary when there's a bunch of people memeing on voice chat.
And I know I already said it but yeah definitely, I know what everything's thinking. "I'll set all the AIs to random personality and then I won't know what they'll do." Yeah in practice not really, you just end up sabotaging your game randomly because some of the AI settings are extremely badly performing.
Seems like a bug in trusty research if you get the 1st turn research based on the magic scales of your cap instead of your drain level of pretender. A drain 3 Man shouldn't have 150 free research turn 1.
Yeah thats true actually.
I like to take enchanted blood paired with undying. The regen is enough to prevent negative hp units dying at the end of the battle. I'm not convinced that the regen offered is worth it without that synergy, but you are also getting mr. I kind of like putting 9 points into undying enc blood, it also can prevent a sacred mage from dying to a random arrow.
Hu LucidT! Why your map look different then mine in dominions 6? i love how it looks
The Heroism 3 (105%) math is pretty simple: between 8 unbuffed XP and 15, and between 25 unbuffed XP and 400, it is pretty close to straight plus one star (just because each XP tier is twice the last). Stops at 400 XP because that's when without Heroism you'd hit the max level.
An XP star is 1 attack, 1 defense, 1 precision, 1 RP, 1 morale, and above 50 XP, it adds either 1 Strength or 2 HP and 1 encumbrance... Making it a very nice value conditional bundle (like 8 bless points worth of stuff... But who buys Precision for troops?) a la Blood Surge.
But it does nothing for newly summoned sacreds, including battle summons, and so it is better the more durable your sacreds are and the more that you'll be using ones who've been around the block a while.
eyy ma man!
Personally i'm not that fond of the new defense blessings (awareness, blur) as first pick anymore. I would rather dump awareness and a point of heroism into 2 points of defense that works all the time. But that's me. :)
I have a sameler view of blood shurge it's good for thug and thug like units.
Blur I wouldn't prioritize on a glamour nation, in that you can buff it pretty easily, but awareness is I think pretty meaningful on high defense units, where most hits would come after getting harassed down anyway.
I suggest the name Temple Me Elmo
Or if playing as Ulm, Tickle Me Ulmo
Heyy so I went to the patron link and signed up and all, but the most recent posts I see are from 2022.
Am I missing something?
Wow that Slave market site is so lucky.
Is this not the best nation for the Weightless bless?
Fun! And this is a great nation. But so far, you haven't encountered _my_ problem with MA Man - not a big problem, admittedly. But those monks die in droves. I need them to bless my sacred cavalry, but they can't do anything else, so *they run into battle, hitting the enemy with their fists!* Yeah, they don't last very long.
It doesn't seem to make any difference what orders I give them - after the scripted orders, at least. Once there's no one to bless - and no undead around - all they want to do is run forward to get murdered. It's not a big deal, I know, but it's a pain to keep running out of priests to bless my cavalry.
Later on, once I have some Construction, I can make them a bow to keep them occupied. But that takes awhile, it's expensive, and they're still likely to get hit by an arrow. Oh, well, MA Man needs _some_ downsides, huh? :)
Hmm i dont run into this issue at all.
@@LucidTactics
That's interesting, Lucid. What do your monks _do_ in a battle, after they have no one left to bless? When I played MA Man, they always ran forward and tried to punch the enemy - even when I had them on "stay behind" the troops.
I couldn't tell them to stay put, and they have no other spells to use in most fights. It was so frustrating that I almost decided to tell them to retreat after they finished casting "bless," but that has other problems - especially during expansion. But I'll be interested to see how that works for you.
@@Bill_Garthright think I just have them on spells. But I use divine blessing for big fights instead of lots of monks
I think best to start with landless/longbow/Wardens then split those with wardens in stealth stack with huntsmen from forests, only then roll out knight/longbow. Starting knights too few so risk.
Yes, that's a definite possibility. Those wardens are great. (I tried a quickness bless, which was lots of fun. And they expanded very, very well.) But the cavalry recover from afflictions. And since you get so few of them, it was just really hard for me to waste the limited amount I can get in the capital on _anything_ else.
It's just easy to be greedy with MA Man, isn't it? :)
@@Bill_Garthright Greedy over expansion too quickly yes guilty. I think the walk throughs even from good players tend to show over optimism at start but then the cavalry shines longer term (afflictions etc) so I prefer best of both sacreds then transition. For a map edge start, high dominion and an average ghost king dormant bless (as I wanted farcaster because of slower communions, death summons etc) with 2 production and 1 order I found I had to have a couple of wardens a turn anyway or waste capital recruitment as you get to 5 temples quickly....the thing is that the logistics of expansion mean that foresters and their commanders can reinforce from woods close to the front whilst the horses expand into the plains....but longbows to go with them do not keep up until forts on line.