DF Direct: The Price of PS5 - Are We Looking At A $500 Console?
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- Bloomberg is reporting that Sony is facing cost challenges in the construction of the PlayStation 5 - and the chances of a $399 console are receding. So what are the challenges in creating the next generation of console hardware - and are we looking at a $500 console?
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I heard the PS5 cooling system is based on wind generated from Richards' hands.
carljthatsme94 haha good one man
Richard's hand turbine :D
Lmaoooooo
Lmao
it's an exclusive version just for him no one else could keep up.
When I see a DF direct notification, I go in expecting two things: Tech and Hands
Oh yes, the hands. Priceless piece of entertainment. Hahaha
Borsalino Kizaru tech? Pfff... We all know we are here for the high quality hand movement
Lmfaoo (waves hands)
@@viniciuscoxoba3842 "tech?" What is that, am I right? Hahaha
The hands allow me to watch this in Italian!
Richard looks like he's lost a bit of weight, nice. He's probably doing more calorie-burning hand gestures than usual.
I like how more involved the team is now. Their older videos were literally just side-by-side comparisons or an fps counter with no commentary and it made for a rather boring experience. I like when there is actual input from the guys who made it.
Is Wichard aware of this
Wichard is losing weight because he's too ansious and hyped with the incoming next-gen. Ansiety decreases the hunger, so it's explained 🙂
his brain Burns 4500 calories on a slow day.. no need to work out when you have that kind of processing power
That’s the first thing I thought of when I started the video
My mind was made up at $500 to $600 anyway.
Anyone thinking $400 for this jump are out of their minds.
Yah sony isn't gonna sell new tech for a ps4 pro price. Anyone that thinks that doesn't understand the tech.
There's always a chance they'll do what they did with PS4: Release a 'vanilla' PS5 for $400 and 3-4 years later a $500-$600 PS5 'Pro'.
JohnSTF72 except this video is about the “vanilla” PS5 which won’t cost $399
@@campersruincod6134 I bet you, it won't cost $500. It'll cost $449.99. then the pro, which will be released in 2 years time will cost $599.99.
george k That's kind of weird. Why hope for a higher price tha may imply higher specs, when you could just hope for higher specs?
Hurts my soul seeing this channel under 1m subscribers, with the content we get they definitley deserve more.
We are the great people who watch such videos. Don't bother explaining to others. They all swear by IGN and stuff
I'm glad. DF doesn't use clickbait and over-the-top reactions, so this comment section is always filled with sensible people instead of children arguing over which console is better.
Im from the future, look again!
$500 sounds good to me i wasn't expecting $400 for those specs
kingscotto I always expected $500 for both consoles. Why is this news? Their tech is just expensive. I’m fine with it. I suppose it will be out of reach for some however.
If xbox will released at $500 then sony will release around $400
Yes but don't normally console subsidize them taking a loss to get a larger install base.
Plus the monthly sub get a pc
@@mr.clutch3071 Hardly as their costs are bigger than that. 500 will be a reasonable price for both consoles.
500 bucks would still be very reasonable, given the specs, IMO. I would be very surprised if they come in at anything less.
Exactly. Well worth 500$
Right. No one in their right mind should complain about 500.
Yet people have no problem paying for an outdated $1200 iPhone with $250 build control cost.
@@manveerghuman5276 wow there's so much wrong with this one statement
ps3 was 599$ so dont be amazed if the ps5 and xbox series x are 599$ which honestly sounds about right with all the parts inside the consoles
I dont understand how anyone was logically expecting it to be any cheaper than this. 500 dollars is a reasonable price point for the power being offered here.
TheHypeLordOGS that’s why I believe they should make 2 consoles. An all digital $400 unit with no Blu-ray disk player (subsidized cost) and $500 unit with disk player (build price). Being that they make their money back from game sales while the people who like to buy and trade physical games still have that option.
I think it's too little, and is worse in the long run
It has to be reasonable. Hardly anyone is willing to pay more 500 is the sweet spot.
Jules Badguy yeah $500 is reasonable considering the increased power and improved load times, plus VR / motion controls, and 4K blu-ray player. I can’t wait to step into the next gen.
It will be $500.. if either console is more than that, I’m just going to get a PC
People: "Oh no, I'd never spend $500 on a dedicated games console that will last me for 8 years allowing me to play with my friends and all the latest games with no fuss for the life of the console"
Also People: *Spends $1500 on newest iPhone*
"no fuss" *dying in the middle of its service life and taking 3 weeks to have repaired under warranty*
Ikr..dumb ass logic.
@@lucasward9506 And you think iPhones don't have the same issue? It's all about percentages. The percentage of consoles that just die for no reason is minor compared to the percentage of consoles that die because consumers are stupid idiots (Such as not ventilating them properly, dusting them, cleaning vents, sticking things into disc drives etc). All electronic hardware has these issues.
Mantenner I agreed. I swear to god people are so unaware of how they should take an actual good care on their electronics
Not to mention the backwards compatibility
Fast Load times, quality parts and backwards compatibility? Sold
Forward compatibility also
How about longevity, upgradability, open ecosystem, 30 years of backwards compatibility, cheaper games, higher resale value, broad multifunctionality lower overall pricing? If you value any of these things seriously consider getting a gaming pc (even 2nd hand ones)
@@Rem_NL nope I like a good 5-8 year long console cycle, and I like the simplicity. I respect pc gamers and trust me I wish I had graphics mods and the ability to play games like half life mesa but consoles serve me well
@@dagreatberich1070 yeah we'll finally get some top notch souls bourne gaming in this year
@@Rem_NL Why do PC users always try to remind us how much better it is. Just let us buy what the fuck we want.
I remember paying $600 for the PS3 so...
I remember paying $500 for the PS2.
@@GrimReaper4383 Exactly, so I don't see what all these whiners are bitching about. Especially taking things like inflation in to account.
$600 Back then would be ~$800USD today, same for ps2 at $500. So it's actually cheaper in this day and age
State of the art in 2000 should be less than state of the art 2020. Why would a console made today cost the same as a console made 20 years ago. I wish it true. I'd love to pay half the price they're asking for a new truck. Even things that are still made exactly the same after 20-30 years, like musical instruments, are more today than 20 years ago because of inflation and rising production costs, etc. We shouldn't expect consoles to get cheaper. We shouldn't even expect them to stay the same. And actually they don't, but the manufacturers eat the cost and lose money on the console because games are where the money's at.
@@adamaj74 PC stuff cost more in the past. A top of the line computer in 1980s cost way more than a top of the line computer in the 1990s, and so on.
Don't gimp the specs to maintain a lower price Sony!
Moat casual consumers don't need the huge specs
@Lain Casual gamer dont even know what gaming is but we do and we want better specs at least I do. I don't mind paying over 600 if it's the case. But too many cheap gamers out there that's settle the the cheapest and what works fine. Fuck that.
casuals buy everything and like every bs. Look at the logo. Give me nothing.....I lIKE IT. lol
As long as it can run VR decently, I'm good..
@@GForceIntel It's not about settling, it's about not having enough money. People who want to spend a lot of money on gaming buy PCs. The whole point of the console is to make it more accesible for people with lower income and with less of an interest on the technical side.
500$ is really an ok price for a console of this caliber.
What? Get out of here.... you're clueless if you think 500 is ok for what's in the ps5
@@GForceIntel the xbox one x is 500 bucks
@@The98xander was** is now less then 300
@@The98xander you can find it for 280 ...
@@Ultecpo yes its 350 at bestbuy but it still launched at 500
I'll believe the price and performance when it actually comes out.
Shame on you for making a logical comment about console's
Me too, I don't think they are gonna be as powerful as these claims say.
@@kevinragsdale6256 i think so actually cuz they gonna suc customers with ps plus
@@identity2257 I still doubt it. People say the same things about every console gen before it come out. "It can do this, is this powerful" and it never lives up to it. They regurgitate this stuff to get views, nothing more.
@@kevinragsdale6256
If you know about the tech you can make a decent educated guess, take the Zen 2 8 core 16 thread CPU, that is going to absolutely smoke the crappy laptop Jaguar CPU in current consoles, 3x at least, then RDNA 2 should get 2x OneX performance at 9TF, a 9.5TF 5700XT is faster than a 12.5TF Vega 64 and that's RDNA 1 vs GCN, there gonna be pretty good for the money considering there using current CPU tech and GPU tech that's not even out yet, vs cheap old tech they slapped in PS4 and Xone.
"Clicking the appropriately shaped icon" - godfather of hand wave simulators, 2020
Still, half the price of a modern flagship phone, so i'm ok with that
Yeah although most phones don't cost that much.
True, it’s crazy when you think console manufacturers are being so much more price conscious of their hardware, which is magnitudes faster than any phone.
@@someonesomewhere8658 Do not forget that speed is not the only factor in cost. Efficiency and size dies factor in far more. That is why a laptop costs twice as much as a desktop with the same power.
@@baronsengir187 and even then the laptop's cooling performance won't be anywhere near that of a desktop. In my opinion a gaming laptop is pretty much useless except for two groups of people: those that travel constantly and those who's living space is extremely limited i.e. in a dormitory.
But the thing with most flagships is that they lose almost half their resale value after one year past their release date, and having in mind they release a new one each year with mostly marginal upgrades, I still think that's a lot of money, specially if you're not a power phone user. Btw, excuse my english if I make a mistake, i'm not a native english speaker.
Honestly its a one time purchased so, fck it ,price it at $500 and put all the high spec this way we benefit from it in the long run.
I'd pay 500$ for top notch components, i mean native 4k60 but I'm pretty sure we'll get stuck to 30 like this current gen ☹️
Nope. Even the PS4, which was the most advanced console at the time, was a mid-range PC at launch. Past generation consoles were much more advanced for its time
@@diegofrgc sadly but hey, the higher the better. I'tll benefit not just the console but the pc race
@@Jean-jk4zv well maybe Sony Will do 30fps. But MS showed this Gen that they prioritize fps. Gears 5, Forza Horizon 4, Halo 5 were all 60fps. They could have done 30fps and had more graphics than they did. But opted for gameplay performance. I think MS should be commended for that.
Why stop there... $599 all day! Remember the PS3?
People- "oh hey look. A new phone that offers almost no noticable upgrade over my current one, which I just got last year. And it's only 1200$. I'ma get it. "
Same people- "500$ is to much for a console. It doesn't matter I'll have the device for years. That's too much money."
Exactly, man. I've always thought about that. People spend thousands on a fucking phone, that can be easily lost or broken. And still have the balls to complain about a few hundreds for something far more likely to last much longer.
@@rekoj08
For real, I usually change phones every year and a half to two years.
But even then usually get them used lol. But I'm more than fine paying 500$ for the next Xbox (I'm getting it. I just prefer their ecosystem). Especially since I'll trade my X in and get some off lol
Exactly. Both consoles will be well worth 500$. I'd pay more. Try building a pc with the same specs for 500$. Good luck.
Hum like xbox 360 and those red suspect lights? And my ps4 already brock twice it was under warranty fortunatley.
@@candidosilva7755 my 360 is 8 years old. Still works.
My one S lasted 2 years before I traded it for my X. Im a year in with it, no issue.
My PS4 did die though. Something in the PSU went out
I'm not at all that worried about the price of the PS5. People pay way more for cell phones, and tv's.
@tegarcho todo damn your about to go from xbox 360 to the newest gen!😮 big leap!
No sh*t you pay more for tvs.
A tv is 100000x times more useful than a console.
@@MattyPeq no tv an PS5 Xbox are the same level how the everyday use so u rong
@@KingKiller1012 tv and phones has more demand.
@@MattyPeq Dream on give me a high refresh rate monitor and I'll be golden
12:13 "Seeing an elaborate game of corporate chicken"
Damn Richard, I'm dying from laughter after hearing that ahahaha! Well said!
I'm more than willing to pay $500 for a PS5. I just want a true generational leap.
This. Or else it'll be just a PS4.5 (if they go budget) Or it's a streaming device.
Both should be optionally available this gen.
@Synergy2900 What is it then? I want to know too since Sony wont tell us.
I dont want to pay more than $500. That's what Xbone was and it was so disappointing. The $400 PS4 was priced just right.
It won't be a true generational leap unless they drag the consoles out longer. Just think of rdr2. That game was made by 3 studios and is hard to be topped rvern today and that was over a year ago. What tou are asking for is gonna take developers either massive costs or massive amounts of time to make a game.
@Synergy2900 How is $500 too expensive for 2070-2080 GPU equivalent, 8 core Ryzen CPU, next-gen SSD tech? There isn't a single PC spec equivalent at that pricepoint... You're already far past $500 with those components that doesn't even include the motherboard, PSU, cooling, OS, RAM, casing, peripherals, etc.
Plot twist: consoles get delayed while Sony and Microsoft wait on each other for pricing
and they will blame coronavirus
PS4 had an estimated BoM of $372 before ~$9 manufacturing costs added in. Without Kinect, Xbox One came in at an estimated $382, with additional $14 manufacturing costs. Sony was taking a slight loss on the $399 msrp, but denied the $60 loss per unit "insider" estimates. A ~$450 BoM puts you in a no-man's land of sorts. On the high side if you're looking for $399 launch price, and maybe risking perception issues at $499 if your competitor is sandwiching you in between a more powerful unit at $499, and a budget model at $299-349.
This is assuming Bloomberg isn't just bullshit. I think Sony is waiting for MS to reveal the XSX price. If $499, they'll launch at $399 and eat the loss. If XSX comes in at $599(unlikely), then they'll feel ok at $499 with no loss on hardware.
with how clueless business sites tend to be about the gaming sphere there's a good chance the 450$ figure is indeed bullshit
I disagree. The kinect build costs couldn't be pass $50. Amd the total xbox one costs with kinect equated to $471. When it comes down to it Sony were able to get more power out of their build. If the same prevails and they have about the same total costs this time around Sony could potentially squeeze out more power and performance than MS.
For instance if total costs for both consoles are around $500 its very likely Sony would get better performance per dollar.
Eh. $450 BoM cost VS a $400 MSRP will be fine for Sony. All they have to do is sell the person who bought it two years of PS+ and they've already turned a profit on that buyer. Plus they make money back on every game and every accessory. Selling consoles at a loss knowing you'll make the money back over time is nothing new, it was happening all the way back in the 90s.
here is a hint if you are a xbox phone plan they changed your xbox one x for a new series x without increasing costs it is obvious that's gonna be maximum 499 but since xbox onex has been that price? it was cut down to even 350 since last november, I believe that microsoft can eat more loss than sony and sell even more powerful console at 399, xbox is in the down side of this history and I think is that why sony is struggling in putting a price tag, if microsoft can tag 399 and again they are likely to will do it, then sony will be in a very though situation anyway they will tag 399 but weaker console this time
Exactly correct figures there. On launch, Sony was banking on the average launch-console purchase to additionally include at least 1 game in order to make a profit. Funny thing was that on avg. most people at launch bought 2 games, including myself, lol.
Sony is also in a much different place financially than in 2013...a $500-550 msrp blow can be lessened by over 30 million ps plus subscriptions and if the rumors are true, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Polyphony and a few other are looking at launch exclusive titles...
We spent the whole of this eighth generation lamenting 'weak Jaguar cores.' I am not afraid to invest in my own luxuries. I already do. It's high time that gaming consoles should rise to the level of customer expectation
Well that's always the problem isn't it?
In general people aren't willing to pay the price for the performance they demand from a console but don't seem to mind paying a lot more for components.
You always have some consumers looking at a console launch like the PS4 and going "my GTX 980 Ti is better, DOA."
Pricing? What's that? They want their cake and they wanna eat it too, don't you dare charge more than I few hundred but they expect the performance of a thousand dollars machine.
I can bet you right now when the PS5 and xXxXxXx come out at supposedly ~499$ you will have people * laughing in RTX 2080 * over looking the little detail that that GPU alone is twice the money but somehow they expect a full box for half the price to match its performance other wise is just old tech they say.
You're right, although I'm afraid that the weaker Xbox will hold back the entire gaming industry: third party games (and in the case of Microsoft, also first party ones) will have to be capable of running on the weakest hardware.
Now, if the "Cheap Box" will have the same CPU and an SSD but just a weaker GPU of the expensive box, then it could run games designed for the big console but just with less pretty visuals.
But if the cheap box will have a weaker CPU and no SSD then we have a problem, because games will have to be designed from the ground up with the limitations of that machine in mind, meaning that the extra speed of the CPU and SSD of the new consoles will go to waste.
I agree completely, but we are people who watch Digital Foundry videos, these consoles also have to appeal to the casual gamer and people who may not be as knowledgeable about tech. All they see is the price tag
I think consumer expectations are too high then if that's been the problem. Consoles always have delivered the best bang for the buck as far as what the technology of the time could allow, and keep the price affordable. Expectations for everything have gotten out of control these days.
@@souljastation5463 you quite literally don't know what you're talking about
I also agree with Richard when saying the storage and cooling prices are wrongly viewed in the article. I guess I take this for granted but working for over a decade in this industry has really made me see things as obvious when they are not. I'm glad Richard pointed it out so most people can see them aswell.
Again amazing job from DF. Kudos to all you guys who make this happen.
Unlikely. Bloomberg likely knows more than they acutally shared. But the prices of memory and storage has been going up and production is having issues due to COVID-19. Prices will continue to go up. Unless Sony/MS got literally millions of units before the whole COVID-19 crap started, they could be in for some major cost and even supply problems. And while SSDs have dropped, these are likely to be NVMe which are NOT cheap.
@@Kougeru Big doubt on NVMe. They aren't cheap, which is exactly why they aren't likely to be NVMe. They're far more likely to go for cheaper SATA SSDs, which is still a huge improvement over the piss poor SATA2 (not even SATA3!) mechanical drive seen in the PS4.
500-600 USD is pretty ok for these new machines, so people should stop complaining. If you can´t afford it, start saving money now or just stick to your PS4/Xbox One.
Especially since the Xbox Series X will have COMPLETE backwards compatibility.
If people don't buy, it'll be a disaster.
@jvalex18 then we'll end up getting underpowered consoles. People should vote with their wallet not with their mouths (if you don't like it, don't buy it.
@@bern9642 not really, they just need to keep production low until demand rises.
700 and 800$ is ok even 1000 when you are a fan boy
I was under the impression that they made money from software sales not from consoles until the cost of the parts decreased.
They make their money off of online subs and gaming sales. Hardware cost is important, it's about guaranteeing zero margin to contain overall costs...otherwise you could get an xbox 360 situation: hot, unreliable, and expensive (negative margin and susceptible to RROD basically)...so then you extend console gen to 8 years to make up for it. PS3 didn't have the unreliability problems, but I'm sure they cost extra too.
This doesn't mean that Sony and Microsoft didn't guess wrong and tech didn't come down in price as expected. Xbox One is underpowered, thanks to mispredictions from Microsoft.
True. They always take a loss on HW at the start. Software and subs is what they push
XCloud will be MS saving grace this gen.
Imagine being able to play any XBox game on any smart device that has internet connection.
@@JP-wm1cc I have my doubts about that. Stadia is dead in the water, Geforce now runs like hot garbage at the best of times (300mb/s connection and 30ms ping). Game streaming is simply just "cool tech" at this point and isnt in what i would consider to be a practical working form. As a proof of concept piece, i streamed from my gaming pc to a hardwired laptop with steam's game streaming tech and even over a hardwired connection, over 50ms of latency was added at the best of times. Now 50ms isnt too bad, but this was an absolute best case scenario and with online streaming the latency is closer to 100-150ms and is very noticeable to me. Gonna be a minimum of 3 more years before the latency is at an acceptable level for anyone sensitive to input delay.
@@RU-pj5rt not Nintendo though who do the opposite. They always have good profit margins on hardware (and likely far fewer software sales too, besides Smash and Pokémon franchises).
$500 seems perfectly reasonable to me.
That’s ridiculous that’s like 650 Canadian plus tax. I would never pay that much for video games especially when there is never any good games at launch. Look at the ps4 it took almost 4 years for good games to start coming out
im guessing you only buy consoles at the end of their life cycle? you definitely dont build or buy gaming pcs cause 500 wouldnt get you anything different than what you could get on current gen consoles, for a lot les.
@@rob-123 if you think it's going to only cost 300 for the hardware inside these consoles you're absolutely dreaming. Even the ps4 cost $381 to manufacture, and it was absolutely underpowered when it came out. These next gen consoles are going to be very powerful and I can almost guarantee that both companies will sell them at a loss initially.
@@rob-123
Retailer's don't get anywhere close to $200 cut.
@@jacobross735 sure people drop 500$+ on a new phone every two years but 500$ for a new console or 600$ for a good pc is too much?
if we could harness the powew of the Wichs hand and eyebwow movements, we would have an unlimited powah.
Let’s not forget the retailers pricing. They won’t stock it if they’re not making that margin.
Even if retailers make a minuscule 10 points (which is considered “a dog” or margin killer) to hit an MSRP of $399.99 USD Sony/MS would have to distribute at $360 USD.
I don’t think Sony is capable of losing $100 USD per unit moved.
Microsoft maybe. They’ve been doing some crazy stuff lately.
Matt Something yeah $450 minimum or $500
Retailers rarely make much on console unit sales. More money in accessories and games.
Ash Carter that may very well be, but even at 10 points it puts the $400 speculation out of the conversation if the cost rumors are true.
As well those thin margins are harder pill to swallow when YoY physical game sales are on the decline.
to be fair, people dont mind paying for $500++ for a GPU; paying $500 for full system that can ray tracing is instadeal.
People are paying one grand for a new smart phone, which they replace every 2 years. A console for half of that lasting much much longer is a significantly better deal.
You wont get a full system at 500 that can do proper raytraceing at any decent framrate resolution and settings, that's the difference.
@@hydroxoniumionplus yeah because everybody pays $1000 for a new phone.... Every.... Body.
It'll likely have a compromised GPU that can kinda sorta do raytracing. Keep in mind that Crytek had a tech demo that could do approximations of raytracing on non-RTX hardware.
@@j.j.9511 Yeah that's right, we do and its every 12 months not 2 years, that guy must be poor or something.
Always love a DF Richard upload, this channel is so good. All the contributors are brilliant, but Rich is my fave :)
Thanks for the quieter background music / noise!
I'm impressed that according to the clock on his monitor he seems to have recorded this in one take.
Legends has it that Richard is always in that chair waiving his hands 24/7
Love the unbiased content about this subject. Great job as always!!
This exact debate happened before every new PlayStation release. So funny
doctoreeee sure, but it’s fun to hear and talk about it.
That's because the ps3 hurt itself by being priced too high, and so did the Xbox one at the start of this gen.. along with other things.
10:57 Richard: "Well!"
With that GPU frequency I think they're going to have an issue keeping the PS5 quiet when running graphics heavy games. They were rumored to have issues keeping the devkits cool which lead to that vent heavy design.
Dustin Lambert That wasn’t a rumor 👍🏿
the same problem with retail consoles, I think ps4 slim is the only one safe from this issue, I changed my ps4 pro twice and they become more noisy over time, sure xbox one x has some noise but far away from ps4 pro and it's processing more heat, cooling decision are crucial to this matter, and honestly I like better a quiet console, you have no idea how I hate my older ps4 pro for that airplane engine sound
What? GPUs produce heat? Any proof of that? You are blowing everyone's mind.
@@DarkP1 i owned ps4 slim, the only game i owned that really spinned the heck out of the fan was cod bo3....
PS4 Pro sounds like an airplane.
Considering how quickly production costs tend to go down, it's pretty doubtful Microsoft and Sony are going to let said costs dictate how things pan out over the course of the entire console generation. The launch is when these companies need to push the adoption rate the hardest because the company that gets a leg-up in that first year often has a pretty big advantage in the long term. And yes, they will use game sales and online subscriptions to off-set the cost. Probably ad-revenue as well.
Finally, I'm not sure why you brought up the retail price of the 5700xt. The current price was largely determined based on what a 40% markup would be based off yields at launch. So not only will Sony be able to drop the manufacturing costs by ordering in massive quantities, but they won't have to pay the markup and yields have improved substantially since the 5700xt's launch. Basically, the retail price of a similar part isn't going to be a good indicator of the APU's production cost. Not that it's completely useless, but it's almost apples and oranges at this point.
11:55 This is what I've been saying all along! It's just a PR stunt to not only play chicken with Microsoft but to prepare their customers for the eventual price rise.
Being conditioned all along.
They did it back with the Xbox One release and capitalized on the trading games fiasco. I think Microsoft's going to wait it out so its not a repeat.
@@greatbudda Yeah I love the catfight companies do to get an edge in the competition, it's petty af, but it's funny to watch from an outsider's perspective.
Microsoft did a similar thing back with the 360, where even when they knew their console had a lot of issues and was unfinished, they rushed it out before Christmas when the PS3 had half a year more to go. Funny thing though about that whole debacle, the PS2 still beat the 360 in sales numbers those holidays.
It's as Rich said in the end, it doesn't really matter since in the end competition means we get a better deal.
@@tommapar "Funny thing though about that whole debacle, the PS2 still beat the 360 in sales numbers those holidays.
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Not really funny when you remember that the reason PS2 beat 360 in sales numbers is because 360s were in limited supply and thus a lot of people who wanted to buy one couldn't do so.
@@mjc0961 Yeah, I mean, it probably wouldn't have been good to have enough 360 units out by that christmas either, since most of those 360s were afflicted by heating issues, and thus killed by the infamous Red Ring of Death.
I honestly don't mind paying 500 dollar in 2020. Inflation, and the hardware spec increase with many features promised for that price is actually not that bad.
$500 wouldn't be crazy because unlike this gen, the coming gen will be very comparable to a good gaming PC.
PS4 and Xbox One were comically weak even when they launched. You could build a stronger gaming PC for almost half the price on launch.
This gen is a true leap like we used to see. $500 wouldn't be crazy.
Sadly, we need to get used to every other gen being weak because power per die just isn't increasing like it did for so many years (decades) before, as noted in this video.
PS6 and the next Xbox may not even be hard consoles like we know them if streaming tech and internet latency issues can be fixed in the next 6-10 years. We may just buy a stream box but then.
If it's a traditional console expect it to be a marginal leap above this coming gen.
500 usd is perfectly fine for the specs of the machine, the jump in hardware will be amazing. I would even say 600 is worth it for the specs.
600 and you also get a 2TB SSD or a 2TB SSHD at least.
And to that i say in the words of don matrick with a twist ;) i say: fortunately we have a product for people that want in,it's called a Nintendo switch!!
They should release 2 versions: one with 1 TB SSD and one with 2 TB SSD. 500 GB would be ridiculously low for 2020.
Times have changed, I'll spend a lot more on a console these days.
Its like no one's ever heard of losing money on console sales, to make money back with software sales.
I was thinking this too but even if it costs $450 to make and sells for $500, the retailers are probably taking a chunk of that and buying it from Sony for like $420.
Love the work and research put into these videos. No other place is doing it like Digital Foundry. Love you guys.
I would of course love for the PS5 to be $399, but when Mark Cerny said that players would be happy with the price considering its capabilities my brain was already expecting $499. Anything less than that is a bonus. I'm so ready for PS5 now though. After 6+ years of PS4 the load times and the fan noise are really starting to get on my nerves.
So people think these two consoles will be the same price but will simultaneously be so different in power?
It’s becoming more and more obvious that these consoles will be very similar in power.
the difference in power between the two consoles is not that big.
Moses Jonson I understand that, but regardless, the rumored numbers won’t be accurate
what what Of course, the difference will be in the extra features and exclusives.
They will look so similar that DF might even stop with the comparisons. Although if the Series X is slightly more powerful, Xbox fanboys will still behave like the delusional jerks like they already do
what what I feel like it’s just Microsoft trying too hard to boast how powerful their console is, and people have been talking about old leaks about the “older PsV” dev kits that were distributed back in 2019. In reality though, there’s been newer leaks that report the 2 consoles are actually very very similar in specs, just little tweaks here and there.
599 still a good price.
We can't expect the same price as 2013 and asking for more powerful stuff, everything got more expansive, but our wages as well.
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It's funny how people buy $1000+ Iphone every year, but buying a console for $700 once a 4-7 years would just be unaccepted.
Barely anyone buys a $1000 iPhone. Most people get it on their cell phone plan and pay a monthly lease fee.
This argument is old, man.
But as far as I remember, there are solid logics against your observation.
Most people who buy 1k phone every year are broke.
Who's buying $1000 every year?
And isn't a phone necessary compared to a console?
Jevgenij Bogdašič thats the damn truth
In 2013, we were coming out of a global recession and analysts predicting consoles were dead. It was not ideal to build a $500+ console and the CPU is testament to that. Spending money on GPU also meant games could 'look' next gen - even if they didn't perform better or have anything particularly ground breaking in terms of game-play.
The gap between console and PC was quite large - mostly because of the CPU's and why PC's were offering 60fps where the consoles were limited to 30fps.
7yrs later, we are in a different economic situation and you also have to factor in inflation. $500 (factoring in inflation) wouldn't be the most expensive console and not even including the PS3's price at launch.
If the specs are worth it, I would be willing to pay more for a console - especially if it can last 6yrs+ without needing a mid-gen refresh to boost visuals/performance to see out the end of the gen.
Honestly though, I still think that the 2013 consoles were very clever on their hardware selection. The 8gb of shared ram especially. I feel like this gen has aged considerably better than last gen. In the past you had examples like battlefield 4 in which there was a massive difference between let's say the ps3 version and the pc. Now, while obviously there is a difference, it's nowhere near what 360/ps3 vs pc was. It went from "there is no comparison" to "it takes a hit but it still looks like the same game". You probably end up with a 30fps refresh and the usual 1080p instead of the higher resolutions achievable by a mid range card, but still, doesn't look half bad and even compares decently to a pc in terms of just visual make up.
Something that was supposed to be competitive to the consoles like a 750ti aged terribly worse. Games like rdr2 and shadow of the tomb raider are undoable on that card at console settings.
Another thing to keep in mind is that they were coming from the ps3 launch, and how outrageous the price was back then. They couldn't risk to try that again.
So even though $500 more or less makes sense, I still think they'll probably handle the loss and sell it at 399.
Blue Raven I think you might be saying that because we have had a mid console upgrade. The base PS4 and One are struggling right now. Take Jedi fallen order for example. Everything is down graded and even then there are massive pauses to load environments with noticeable pop in. If it wasn’t for the console refresh these consoles aged much much worse
@@snc237 Wasn't the issue with fallen order just poor data streaming? There are people claiming they had it on pc too to some extent (less than on console). Maybe the slow cpu cores and the mechanical hard drive were at fault? That game seems more like a problem case than a normal thing though.
And no I wasn't taking the enhanced consoles into account. Most people are on the base systems, and while I agree that sometimes there are issues like with fallen order the norm in general has been to stick to 1080p or 900p when necessary and offer stable performance. Well, that's PS4. The One however is another can of worms.
Blue Raven sorry but I agree with snc237, the base ps4 and Xbox one did not have very good cpu or going horsepower atm it was very barebones in terms of what it offered which is why they had to come out with a mid generation upgrade the cpus in the base consoles were similar to the fx series amd cpus which could not really keep up with the high demand of 8th gen games a lot of the times
Typically, the people who really care about performance and are willing to pay more for a console don't console game. The console market has shown that they want a decent improvement in visuals, performance is less important to them overall, and anything over $400 is going to be a hard sell.
$449 limited standalone supply, $499 Bundled with a game. Price cut by March or Fall 2021, depending on sales.
Or same but starting at $399 with no price drop. $449 bundle will drive most of the supply.
You heard it here first guys.
I predict there’s gonna be two versions. A cheaper version of these consoles with 2-year commitment to Plus and Live, with both services seeing a slight boost in monthly costs, or a full-priced version with no commitments. It’s going to be like cell phone plans.
Watching digital foundry high af is something else
Richard Leadbetter is an international treasure.
Ever since i heard the specs on the series x and ps5 i was thinking $500 minimum for those specs. And i hope the ssd gonna be at least 1tb but most nvme ssd’s are $100 at the cheapest. Im just so glad these new consoles are fixing the 2 biggest problems with last generation slow hard drives and weak cpu’s. It crazy to think what they’ve done with those jaguar cores and what their gonna do with some power ryzen cores. I go back in forth with pc’s and consoles but lately ive really got back into pc’s. I love gaming in general and will always buy the new consoles i have a one x, ps pro, and switch. It nice to sit on the couch and play games. I never liked using a mouse and keyboard as much because it’s just more comfortable to use a controller and I play 90% of pc games with one. I love aiming with the mouse but hate movement on a keyboard. This generation is gonna bridge the gap between consoles and pc’s and should push graphical fidelity, ai, and framerate much further. Its crazy to think games like god of war or horizon zero dawn were using a cpu as weak as the jaguar, it’s just that console games are so much more optimized and down to the metal. With pc’s there’s just so many variations of hardware and software.
The PC keyboard is really not good for games. The d-pad was invented in 1982 according to Wikipedia, but on keyboards you are still forced to use WASD, which is clearly worse. And certainly worse than an analog stick. The mouse is great though for many games. But unfortunately not very couch friendly.
By the way, are CPUs even so important? Isn't the GPU more relevant? I'm not sure what effect a worse/better CPU has on games. I think loading is faster with a faster CPU.
@@cube2fox what u said is true but all games this generation have dumb ai or mostly empty world's because of weak CPUs.even mgs2 from 2001 PS2 has better ai than all current gen games
Trurl i would say the gpu is more important but a cpu or gpu bottleneck both suck. Gpu wise the pro and x were ok not great but the jaguar cpu is just anemic. Playing with a 9900k and gt710 or a athlon 200ge and 2080 ti would both suck.
I really hope they don't rely on a comparatively small amount of traditional SSD storage next gen. The only way storage won't be a joke next gen is if they support a small SSD acting as a cache in conjunction with an appropriately sized HDD. Thankfully, MS and Sony have both hinted at this with the notion of using the SSD as a streaming/page file style device. Assuming they don't use a stupidly large SSD you can probably cut this Bloomberg estimation down by ~$50, which brings the console down to a level where it could be comfortably sold at cost or with only a small loss per unit at the $400 price point. Even closer to that point if they were to release a 'base' model without an optical drive.
I dont mind a hefty price, I want a machine that performs and will do for future years as games get more intensive.
consoles will always lack power after some years.
Personally, I'd rather them be very powerful and cost more over a cheaper cut down version. I think 750 to 1000 would be more interesting.
Definitely. That's still only the price of a decent PC GPU. Also, in theory a console is going to last you around 5 - 7 years so the initial price will be spread thin over the years. I say in theory, because if these are going to be 300+ Watts devices, I think they will roast themselves dead in a year or two.
Don’t care how much they cost just as long as we can finally get 60fps as minimum
This will never happen for consoles
@@MAxAMILLIoN757 it will for the next generation. Microsoft said 4k60fps is their goal for the series X. if they can do 4k60fps then why wouldn't they do 1080p60fps?
@@ai-eo4dm it's not really up to Microsoft, game designers will be the ones to make fps caps and targets. The current gen consoles *could* push higher frames if game devs wanted that, but most people on consoles don't care about frame rates and would choose nicer graphics
@@MAxAMILLIoN757 it will cause there will be no bottlenecks for next generation consoles
Transistor Jump so you like something looking realistic as long as the player doesn’t move the camera ?
I still remember that PlayStation 1st console cost about sgd 1200 when it 1st launched. And 2 years down the road it cost sgd 700. Only about the 3rd or 4th year it went to about 300 plus.
It's funny to go back to this older videos simply to see that mostly everyone was wrong about the upcoming console specs and prices
Yes, the price is far, but that's not the issue. If sales fall, it will negatively affect the console gaming industry.
So it doesn't matter if the price is fair or not. What matter is whether 'casual gamers' think the price is fair because 'hardcore gamers' will buy it anyway.
Bernie Bernie casual gamers always wait years to buy a new console. So actually it’s irrelevant what they think as they cheap out anyways.
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A lot of hardcore gamers still wait for price to drop or until there are many more games/exclusives on the system.
Why did the PS3 underperform then? I'm sure most hardcore gamers who couldn't afford it on release finally got it after the price dropped.
While a lot of casual gamers still got the PS3, a significant number didn't.
If PS5 is $600, casual gamers including parents (who simply buy a console for the family or the kids as an entertainment system) won't know all about the hardware prices and all the features. What they will do is compare the price to a PC (a normal pc), and think it's too expensive.
Bernie Bernie you ain’t a hardcore PlayStation fan if it takes you 4 years to purchase a console. You may be a “hardcore gamer” but certainly not a hardcore fan of PlayStation.
Unless you’re dumb, comparing the price of then and now is inaccurate due to infliction. The PS3 launched at $599 which is around $717 right now in 2020. That’s way higher than most find acceptable both now and back then. That’s why the PS3 was deemed to have a high price.
The PS4 launched at $399 and was deemed affordable. When converted that’s $441 right now. A PS5 launching at $450 to $500 is literally within the regions of affordability. It’s *not* a high price at all unless one considers the original PS4 price as being high.
@@campersruincod6134 Hydra MK2 that's some of the stupidest comments I've read in a long time. I've already said the PRICE IS FAIR. I'm just looking at things from the casual gamers' view.
Also, I said "hardcore gamers". The hardcore PS fan you're describing just sounds like a PS fanboy. Hardcore gamers (excluding fanboys) actually take into account performance, exclusives (how many, how good are they) before deciding which console to get. Hardcore gamers can switch from PS to Xbox depending on which system is stronger during which generation.
Many hardcore gamers actually wait for exclusives or for price to drop. Hardcore gamers may have preferences but true gamers game for the games and are not loyal to just one brand. We go for the best experience. And true gamers are not blind fanboys.
Casual console gamers just wanna play a few popular games and maybe the sport games like FIFA, NBA 2k and so on with their friends. They don't care if the price is fair because they don't know or care about the inner workings.
And there are parents, the parents who hardly ever play games, and only time they play is to spend time with the kids. Those will only look at price and nothing else. They buy consoles for their kids and worry about price tag. They don't give a fuvk about anything you're going on about.
All these people affect sales. Hardcore gamers and mindless fanboys make up a large proportion but so do casual gamers and parents who aren't gamers.
Sony, in particular, really consider all types of people, not just proper gamers.
I hope the new gen consoles are at LEAST 500. Tired of them compromising console power for cost of production
They are compromising because of casuals. Casuals dont pay way more then 399 for a console. Casuals is the main target.
@@whoknows8349 yea, hopefully the dont hold back finally
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Everyone: pay 1000 for a phone
Also everyone: I won’t pay more than 500 for a next gen console
Yeah probably only sub 1% of phone users have a $1000 dollar phone where as 100% of PlayStation gamers buy a PlayStation.
Its just not a good comparison.
Those Same People: = Pays $6,000+ on a Mac Pro=
If Sony and Xbox had a payment system like smartphones I’m sure they could get away with higher prices.
Its different. While I would even pay $600 for a console, no one reallly pays full price for phones out right. I think it was sprint or tmobile that said the ratio of people who do payment plans vs buying outright is like 5:1. If someone you could pay monthly for these console, people would be more open. As for me, im in for $500 or even $600.
@UCxMErCmD4D36MEknMP2ierg credit cards are a thing
Given this supposed $450 USD production cost is accurate, it'll be a $700-$800 console race here in Australia. We always pay more. I can't see it being south of $700 given the initial price point we had for pro & x1x; considering the technological improvements. You never pay less for more.
Didn’t mention about maybe both consoles may have some ddr4 memory. 4 GB should be enough for Os/background task. While giving devs full access to 16 GB GDRR6 for video games. They could use 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz for Os/system memory which would be cheaper. But it may require different memory controller, unless it’s already baked into I/O and controller already on zen 2 CPUs? It prob wouldn’t effect performance or it might consider Ryzen/zen 2 loves faster ram speeds.
We’ll be lucky if next gen consoles are more then $500 here. As last gen Sony raised the price by $100 (Canadian) soon after PS4 launched. We both lucky grab them on. Launch for PS4 $399 price tags. (Canadian)
So?The 60GB was $930 in my country at launch.
That's $1214 in today's dollar value.
The $599 PS3 was really cheap compared to what it cost here, and today that'd be $782, so no, if PS5 is sub $750 it's cheap.
At my age I would rather spend 600€ on a PS5 than on a new Graphic Card.
I would rather not spend 600$ on either and just wait for them to be cheaper
Absolutely. Only if you have a 6-12 core modern CPU, 16-32 GB DDR4 Ram and a fast NVME storage, other than that theres no reason to buy an expensive PC GPU anymore. Just get the SX or PS5.
You're not a hundred percent wrong, at least consoles will stop holding back PCS when it comes to graphics, except for bugsida they are more the happy ruining there own name and one of the best names games out there.
I wouldn't want to spend that much money on either option.
But if I am buying either one of them then I will buy the Graphics Card.
Because I can do more on my PC than just play games.
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PC gaming at 4k is a luxury like it was back in the mid 90s. If you want to play modern titles in 4k60 on PC, you must buy a top 3 GPU for at least 700 Euros/Dollars and the CPU, Ram, Motherboard and NVME Storage. Even a 599 Dollar PS5 would be much cheaper compared to that. PC gaming has become too expensive for the average consumer. Way too expensive in fact. I dont count the low power PCs for around a 1000 bucks. Those are just sad. Why even bother paying more for an inferior experience compared to the nextgen consoles?
I just hope there's enough storage for more than 10 games. The latest Call of Duty takes up 150GB...
Sony and MS will stablish policies and guidelines to prevent bloated game instalations or patches.
Why do you have 10 100gb games installed?
SSDs could actually help make games smaller, since there would be no point in duplicating data like in a mechanical drive.
Also, they'll probably have better installation tools and options for the user. For example, delete campaign but keep multiplayer, choose which language to install instead of installing all of them...etc.
They might sell it at a loss to cut the price. But even if it is $500... it's not too bad. Considering the previous $500 (PS3 in 2006) would actually be $640 with current day inflation, and $766 for the 60GB ($599) model. They were clearly more ridiculous prices for it's time. Seeing how much more expensive PC components are now, and how much money spend on phones, it isn't completely unreasonable.
Exciting times indeed , still some great games nearing on the PS4
if I don't hear something soon from microsoft and sony I'll just upgrade my PC setup instead
Honestly that's the better decision.
@@madmax2069 how tf?
@@madmax2069 I'm seriously considering it at this point as there still hasn't even been any real factual infomation released aside from the specs and a potential game for each machine at launch. plus playstations new VR wont even be launching with the PS5 either. I'm thinking Next-Gen is going to be a slow start
@@Pawan-np9ze Games come first and this time around there arent enough exclusives to demand a high price tag regardless of specs which at that point PC is the best investment.
@@Pawan-np9ze how exactly is that hard to understand ?
In this economy I can see $500 to $600 due to tomorrow technology deal with it
Exactly, people pay that much for smartphones, frankly they pay far more for smartphones these days.
I rather spend that money on bills and food in my stomach tbh
$500 easy as there not even breaking even there, $600 though is a risky price to go for and Sony will be sweating on if they should go so high.
@DANK Microsoft has noted the disaster of Xbox One sales compared to PS4, and also PS3 being priced at 600 bucks. I don't think they'll make that same mistake again.
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Dude, you cant afford a luxury item. So why bother comment on it? You can get a very cheap used PS4 for like 100 bucks on ebay. You are not the target consumer for these kinds of products.
Sony waiting on Microsoft to announce there price.
Pretty much confirms Sony actually worried about the Series X.
Imagine if Sony and Microsoft both say $500 and the Series X has 30-50% more power...
80+% of gamers are casuals, This would be a HUGE win for Microsoft at launch.
Add in the insane Value of Gamepass and a possible $300 Series S.
I can see why Phil Spencer is already super confident!.
I've always bought PlayStation and I'll be buying ps5 as well.
Xbox’s exclusives suck badly I have both but selling my Xbox one s PS4 and it’s games and the next gen with god of war sequel and Spider-Man sequel I’m already sold
@@bencoventry335 yea all my favorite games are first party PlayStation exclusives so I agree
@@bencoventry335 While i'm sure the next god of war and spider-man will be amazing.
Halo infinite , Ori , Hellblade 2, OuterWorlds 2, Forza, Gears etc all included with gamepass is insane amount of value. You say xbox exclusives suck but im pretty sure Gears Of War 5 was great, Forza Horizon 4 is incredible, Ori is charming, Halo Infinite could turn out to be a goty contender, OuterWorlds 2 and Hellblade 2 will no doubt be amazing.
Not to mention multi platform games, 30-50% more power available for games like GTA 6, Battlefield, Call Of Duty, Elder Scrolls 6 etc.
For the casuals who don't care for exclusives, There far more likely to go for the best looking version of the game being the Series X or if they want the cheaper console that still plays the newer games the Series S.
Microsoft have checkmated the PS5 on power on end and price on the other end.
D Miller I know what you mean but gears 5 sucked ass it’s the worse one by far little content at launch which sucks campaign was average not amazing and I’ve played forza bored me and halo will be boring that series needs to die or rebooted and okay only outer worlds and hellblase the rest suck PlayStation has the best studios and deals including exclusive deals such as call duty marvels avengers and Spider-Man uncharted god of war days gone rockstar games Star Wars and more coming no point getting Xbox when I can get all there multi platform games on my ps5 which will be better anyway and not to mention the last of us 2 Xbox will be dead and PS4 and Nintendo will be the best two platforms to own
Please do more DF Reacts to E3 20XX!
ive been saying this for about 8 months, everyone talking about 399 for next gen...i knew it would be at least 499. I personally thought 499 was a fair starting point. All electronic increase in price every new generation. cell phone when from 599 to over a grand, tablets when from 499 to 799 plus. Hell even internet prices use to be 50 a month now its closer to 100. lastly, if next gen console keep current gen prices (not happening)you better expect new game prices to creep up a bit as well.
But what Richard is saying is that they could release for 400 and eat the costs because the Digital Model and store fronts are so succesful now, as well as other factor in regards to component pricing. i disagree with that notion and also, like you, think that it will be more than 400.
In reality the pressure is on MS as they are the spare tire of the console busyness right now. Even if the initiative to purchase studios left and right pans out well, it would take more than half a generation to see any important reutrns on that investment. Only when the migration to "on demand streaming videogame services" is embraced by the mayority of consumers is when MS would be dominating the videogame busyness.
If it’s got tech that pushes games in ways we never imagined then I’d be happy
Hope you dont expect a console to push games in ways you've never seen before more then a gaming PC. So anything under 600 buck is a fair price.
Xandis 37 the PC has no place here. Like I said, if it’s got the tech and the games blow us away then they can take my money all day every day.
Rather even paying a bit more for a beefier more future proof system to be honest
I paid $500 for the PS3. I’ll pay $500 for the PS5. 💯
600 for the PS3.
@@kraenk12 on release date in the USA
There's another scenario where Lockhart might exist despite pricing and cost of Series X not being an issue: As a pure cloud server. xCloud needs both a 1080p and a 4K solution. It makes little sense to put expensive Series X server blades into the cloud - when for the same cost you can put two 1080p/60 Lockharts in there. I suppose xCloud will similar to Stadia have a free (with purchase) 1080p solution based on Lockhart and a paid 4K stream based on Series X. Lockhart could be just that, a device that was never meant to launch alongside Series X, but one purely for the cloud. Curiously enough there doesn't seem to be a Lockhart devkit, leading me to believe that the process is indeed fully automatic and Lockhart runs everything at a quarter the resolution. At 4 TF vs 12 TF it does seem to have overhead compared to how Microsoft achieved a similar jump with One X (which offered 4.2x the performance of One S). Based on that 3 TF should be enough to achieve what Lockhart is supposed to do.
Hey Digital Foundry,
Nice video. I always like watching your videos. Not sure if you are going to see this but is there any chance you will make a video on how worried should PC gamers like myself be for next gen? I'm honestly not sure my GTX 1070 ti will survive the first year of the new consoles at 1080p 😅
They always sell at a loss, only Nintendo get's away with earning from their console sales. $399.99 makes sense if it actually is coming in at arround 450 per unit.
Ps4 was $20 per console profit
@@Allpurple_reign Not on release day though. It was sold at loss for around 6 months.
@@helpinghands7935 And PS3 was sold at a massive loss, since it included a blu-ray player day one at a time when standalone players cost about double the PS3's initial price. $50 loss seems really feasible, especially as Richard said, PS Plus is basically required at this point, and it's a continuing investment over the life of the console.
@@Allpurple_reign And it was rather unheard-of that a console would be profitable that fast after launch.
No. Selling at 400USD is not just a loss, that's a waste of money.
When they say they sell at a loss, they mean selling at a price that is lower than production + shipment + tax + labor + research cost per unit. This console can sell at $500 and still be suffering a loss.
Why should Microsoft do the same and wait for Sonys price? They said they wont compete against them anymore... (haha)
That article is in regards to MS/Xbox talking about competition in cloud/streaming infrastructure market. Sony is paying MS to use Azure. In terms of console, if you releasing one you are in competition.
Microsoft the one with 9.2TF Sony one with 12TF
Robert Kelly u got it reversed.
C. I .A Prove it leaks are unconfirmed I can type bs just like does leakers can
Robert Kelly can u prove the Xbox is 9.2 tf ?
Sony took an early lead this gen due to price now Microsoft has them afraid to even showcase their console or even come to E3.
Nightwalker601, not at all, E3 shows are very expensive to pull. Not to mention, it’s highly unlikely PS has any huge “blockbuster” games coming soon. I doubt insomniac games has the next Spider-Man, or if the next HZD or God of war is ready to be announced. I highly believe Microsoft is going all out this E3, they have no need not too. It’ll be a great Next gen for sure, regardless of what anyone chooses, let’s just put the “MY TOY IS BETTER THAN YOUR TOY” bs away.
Sony was lucky this gen Microsoft did a lot of mistakes. They're probably hoping they'll do something stupid again but unlucky for them is not going to happen.
@@redhunter1535 time will tell.
@@Bossix84 They can do wrong only with the price, you're not going to see kinect, only online, no used games and a weaker console costing 100$ more...
Reveal was a disaster its a miracle they sold more than 50 millions consoles.
"Afraid"
Jeez, you don't have a clue lol
I want minimum hdr 1080p 60fps ultra or high across all games.1080p 60fps bluray quality recording, fifa orbit camera for picture and video recording. User should have options to select graphic settings, fps, resolution.....
If Bloomburg used the various PC gaming websites pseudo mock console builds based off retail shelf components then they likely didn't bother to factor in the UHD drive and game controller costs.
See, Microsoft knew what they were doing when it came to subscription based revenue. It was more about the player base than consoles sold. Now Sony is saying the same thing. Player base matters more, than console sales Next Gen. Funny how fanboys get all caught up in the console war hype. When all along, they were blind to what was coming!
Ah yes, because Sony made no money from titles like Spiderman. It's about games, not subscriptions, but if you want those too Sony has PS Now, which has more members than game pass last I heard.
Microsoft was forced to take that route... it wasn't by choice because if the console sales were reversed there would have been no reason for gamepass....but let's just leave that part out
If it’s all about games then Xbox would have won t console war early on. Xbox launched with more and far better exclusives than the PS4 for around a year or two after launch. PS sold more because it had more power and was $100 cheaper, period. The “Muh games” didn’t become a vocal point until the One X launched because Sony fanboys felt it necessary to damage control for their purchase. PS continues to outsell Xbox now partly because of games but mostly because that’s where everyone’s friends are.
@@ashm3406 almost as if people bought Ps4's knowing that's where the next Uncharted/TLOU was going to be, the next Gran Turismo, the next God of War etc. Consoles aren't judged on their first year of titles, the vast majority of PS4 sales have come from 2015 on when PS4 really hit it's stride.
Of course launch price is a key factor too but I'd wager Microsoft's terrible 2013 PR did more damage.
Petrifying Pumpkins PS what? 😂
I mean we pay more than 1000 for a phone so... What's the problem?
speak for yourself, only idiots pay more than 1000 for phones and even then contracts exist.
You could build a very good gaming pc for the same money.
Who are we? I see less and less people with 1k phones.
Speak for yourself, expensive phones are for rich people or people bad with money.
Yea but don't forget you are paying the games, DLC the online service and who know what more thing are you gonna pay in the future.
I'm glad df said it, I said awhile back who's to say Xbox isn't waiting for Sony and I still believe Microsoft has more room for price flexibility, call me crazy but I think Series X will be less than Ps5, increased revenue from Gamepass, Microsoft as a whole and revenue from Sony themselves and others who have aligned with Azure, you know the Cloud that noone thought would work that's grown exponentially since 2013, I absolutely love how Xbox has rebounded 2013 was hard for us loyalists and I truly feel personally Xbox has and is still making amends for those of Us who truly stuck with them and I'm glad I did.
Before anyone who doesn't feel like me goes in on this comment this is just my opinion, I know ps5 is gonna do just fine, I'm in no shape or form hating on Sony and will straight up admit we got our ass handed to us this Gen, as for NextGen I will say this, I like our chances. Peace y'all!
Does anyone remember what pricing looked like when SNES, Genesis, Dreamcast, PS1, Original XBOX came out? The list goes on of course but things are in line, not to mention the fact what these systems can do now is far beyond systems of old. Look at what cell phones cost now.
I'm buying both and in Australia I paid $649 for the xb1 and PS4 pro was I think $600 so expect we will pay $700 or so for each machine.
499 for Playstation and 549 for Xbox X Series.
haha no, microsoft needs to be cheaper than playstation to sell well. xbox is more like a poor mans pc instead of a console tho.
Oh god, they are still talking about that github leak...
2 ghz gpu doesn't even make sense
Why though?
Explain...
@@antonkirilenko3116 cause it's not worth, can cause overheating problems, it would need an expensive cooling system, etc...
Ps5 will not be 36cu at 2 ghz, for sure...
@@antonkirilenko3116 The reason being AMD's best current Navi silicon (GPU) built on TSMC 7nm doesn't even do 2GHz. The RX 5700XT graphics card. Only hand picked overclocked versions boost to those speeds. So these being the best parts that are presently manufactured, built onto higher end boards, quality VRM components and higher end coolers. They can just about manage 2GHz sustained. They draw down well over 200 watts at these speeds. Just the GPU.
Now imagine that GPU is part of a bigger chip, since it'll also include the 8 core CPU and various other logic. This reduces yields and typically makes it much more difficult to run higher clocks like 2GHz without higher voltage. Then put that chip inside a console, with cooling and power built down to a price. 2GHz seems like a tall order from a Navi class GPU inside a console, when standalone PC versions struggle to do that.
Marco Milan Maybe. Maybe not. It is a custom designed GPU after all.
They’ve always lost money at launch on hardware, and now they’re making so much from network services, that they can take the hit
That's why I like Sony. They sold the PS4 at a loss for about a year before they made any money on it.
@Crispy Terone Crispy, you have a gaming PC right. Tell me all about it. I'm really interested.
@Crispy Terone Troll
@Crispy Terone that doesn't mean they weren't sold at a loss.
You do realize the consoles are all on custom architecture which increase the build price over PCs which are for the most part universally plug and play. Companies like Dell can literally pull parts put of a trash can to put in pre build and sell for pennies.
PC companies are really looking to make money on warranties.
Consoles have to make a single use product that fits everyone
@David Hodge Well, I don't remember it that way, And I'm not saying the PS3 wasn't sold at a loss, because it probablyu was. But I remember them losing money on the PS4 at launch for a time, as well. I do however remember the news going around at the time was that they were making some of it back on the PS Plus subscription that was new at the time, purchased subscription, and on game sales percentage.
The video's audio is quiet (again). The logo is normal but the discussion is quiet.
I realize that this is a non-related question, but, how are you able, with your computer behind you showing the front-end screen of a beautiful photo of a hot spring to NOT have those stupid questions in the top left, center, and top right parts of the screen? I have found no way to get rid of them for just a clean front-end screen. Can you help?
Yeah... definitely being sold at a loss as always but at those rumored prices console gamers really should consider jumping to PC after all that 4k is only upscaled resolution.
Can you provide a link where it says/shows these consoles will only have upscaled 4k?
Most people I know already have a gaming PC, so that's not really the reason why most buy consoles. I personally by consoles because that's what I prefer to use in the living room. Also I don't really game on my PC (which I definitely can) because I've never been interested in tweaking settings or modding, I've always been good with the way most games play on console anyway. There's nothing wrong with gaming on PC or console, it's down to what the player is looking for out of a game.
Playstation 5's cooling system consists of mark cerny farting 💨 in a wind chamber.😊
Not sure why they are "playing chicken" though. The Xbox is now often lower priced than the ps4.
Yes and it still doesn't sell at all.