This video is a little different than what I usually make. However, I think it's an important subject to talk about. Bloody Rose discord link (Will work I promise): / discord
I changed the audio settings in order to avoid it picking up my keyboard click, mouse clicks, and the chair creaking. I would love to hear what you guys think about it.
I think that the main problem is Eldryon, actually. Instantly included in every comp and the top comp is whatever can abuse Eldryon the most, basically a hit number race between characters. An endless cycle started by a bullshit doomsayer :(
A lot of characters releases that leaned towards multihits were also balanced with Eldy in mind, which is why Rho can outvalue them VS Avatar But overall Id say that both Rho and Eldryon restrict character design, mostly because of their passive number- they are too good when enabled, Rho with synergy should be 150% performance at ma and 50% performance without it if he is designed to be synergy - heavy
It might seem like that but the mechanical team is also the best against avatar where you can't use eldy. The 2 hits every mechanical attack that do a total of 4000-6000 is too much. I don't want to see the character get gutted. But I want to see it be much less oppressive.
@@Draupnir_BR Yeah, Id like for them to reduce the passive hits to 1. Or, you know, maybe its Snowprints way of allowing us to do as many Guild Raid boss cycles as before Legendary 5 and the boss buffs :D
There is plenty of room for snowprint to develop new characters to form a much more effective team comp against avatar than admech is now. Likewise, there is plenty of room for their to be better team comps against mortarion and others. Let’s not forget that new bosses drop regularly, and those could be made to be rho resistant.
To speak to the ‘future design space’ argument, Snowprint has other options. They could also: 1)Create new bosses that admech struggles against (or an admech boss which would negate taking rho and company at all) 2) create more specialist new characters/teams that would be better than admech against specific bosses. A mortarion team that does 1 million damage wouldn’t be game breaking but would be substantially better than rho. An avatar comp that does 800k wouldn’t be game breaking but would be substantially better than admech. Of SnowPrint were to take 1 or both options it would allow the admech comp to be a great general team but would encourage players to have secondary teams.
What percentage of guilds get past Legendary Guild Raids? My Guild, and I believe that most Guils are like this, have a range of power levels. We never get past the 3rd Legendary Guild Raid. I keep seeing vudeos about how much damage is done at Legendary 5 (or whatever) and I have no context for what is being talked about. How does a G1 or D1 Exitor team compare to a G1 or D1 Ragnar team? These are comparisons that would be useful to me.
Somewhere above 200th place guilds start clearing L5. my old guild was around 200, we sometimes beat L4. My new guild is 54th place and we clear L5 two times.
I will strongly disagree with Rho being overpowered but the bosses being to weak and a lot of characters being also too weak. You are talking only about maxed Rho or the most end game build. Most of the people doesn't have an end game account and if you then compare mechanical teams to the others you can see the other teams are better/easier to use. The problem still is Eldryon. If you can see a character being used every single comp, there is a problem. Nerfing Rho doesn't make sense, but buffing single hit characters makes sense. Bosses need to have finally mechanics to be for only 1hit with very high armor.
Im puttting all my resources into Rho. He is on his way to Dia1 leggy 4*. Skills only 36/38, that will take 3 months or more but what can you do. In the last video about Rho someone told me the passive would be capped at 15 times additional attacks, I dont know if thats true. Anyway Im very happy I went against the advice of my guild mates and ignored Ragnar and went for Rho instead. I wasnt even aware he works for Mortarion and Rogal (cause the Overwatch gets triggered by the summons?) . Avatar I can imagine, but you probably need D3 for all chars and lv50 Tangida summons, otherwise they will not survive (same for Morty). Maybe you can do a video about the general strat for each boss with Rho and 1 example of a high damage game for each boss. Would be appreciated :) Also one last question should I use the armour which gives only armor or the other one which gives HP as well?
15hit cap isn't about rho. It's the change in rotbone and gibbascraps for the prime fights. Realistically rho is the easiest character to max the 15 hits per round so he was probably mentioned but I've seen combinations of abraxas and yarrick, sho that also max out the 15 hits per round
Thanks, and please continue this constructive, polite criticism. We both love this game and its community. I have undeveloped Exitor-Rho and Tan Gi'da. 27 shards more, and I would have 130 needed to unlock Actus. Lucky for me, there is this special offer... (--,__,--) ,,I,. I'm tired of money-grabbing, toxic, pay-to-win. Bull...t like that. And there's much more of it now as the player base is growing. A year ago, this game was announcing slogans like "Importance of balanced costs for all players" and they were really doing that. So more people started playing. Oh, wait... I know this marketing trick. It's not too late yet. But it has all the symptoms. It's becoming another Predatory Casino mobile scam game. But not yet. It's not too late yet. We can vote with our money and communicate with dev team. Let's be a polite, good, willing community.
Actually, we had dominant raid teams for most of the time. We had summoner, multihitters (before and after Ragnar). And we were also close to killing boss in 10-20 tokens until they added 5th epic and raid bosses. Rho isn't anything we didn't see before.
I don’t want to build him out of principle. I have all the Admechs… except I already have a multi Rag team and Neuro team going. I just finished my first two D1s! (Rag and Bella). Extra imp badges just went into FoC AM and DAs to use in guild war. Rho and SP can go right off. Idk what to do other than maybe get in on the next big meta swing.
Agreed This continuos power-creep isn't good for the game. They already did some wrong turns in game design, i hope they'll understand what is better for the game to keep it good.
I despise mechanics where you sit iddle and pets do your thing and also dont like mechs I am never leveling him, so far almost no one in my guild has him at a decent lvl and we are ranked around 70 in guild wars , so if they really make ra obsolete or kharn within a moronic time frame I might just quit
Ppl dont like it but nerfs are just necesary,. The "dont nerf, buff others to x level" is cancerous.. it snowballs into hyper power creep. Proper balancing comes from nerfing the top tiers and buffing the crap tiers.. it is inevitable . "Oh but i put so much effort and money on rho" .. well here comes what i call : " the concesuences of un ethical advantages " Everibody KNOWs rho is broken, dumping money into a broken situation is not an excuse to avoid the righteous repairs.. (this aplies to all in life) Enjoy it while you can but dont cry when things get fixed or normalized .
@@kstud40k the video answers that question.. as i did : it leads to hyper power creep. You cant buff everyone to rhos level , thats perpetuating the problem, you would end now with 10 ROH instead of just 1. Nerfing 1 is the right move . Swift amd practical.
@@kstud40k Again - power creep. Everybody gets too powerfull -> bosses needs to be buffed -> they release someone who deals damage slightly better -> that character becomes meta -> people start crying "buff other characters" -> infinite circle If you just nerf some OP character you can restore balance without continuous power creep.
@@kstud40k you won't achieve total balance for everyone. SP is a bit too small company to be able to balance things right. If they were able to - they would be doing that, but instead they focus on making new characters. And you actually can see how well they balance things based on their reworks. Hence the easiest possible solution right now - to nerf Rho.
I changed the audio settings in order to avoid it picking up my keyboard click, mouse clicks, and the chair creaking.
I would love to hear what you guys think about it.
There were no auditable disruptions on my side. =)
I think that the main problem is Eldryon, actually. Instantly included in every comp and the top comp is whatever can abuse Eldryon the most, basically a hit number race between characters. An endless cycle started by a bullshit doomsayer :(
A lot of characters releases that leaned towards multihits were also balanced with Eldy in mind, which is why Rho can outvalue them VS Avatar
But overall Id say that both Rho and Eldryon restrict character design, mostly because of their passive number- they are too good when enabled, Rho with synergy should be 150% performance at ma and 50% performance without it if he is designed to be synergy - heavy
It might seem like that but the mechanical team is also the best against avatar where you can't use eldy. The 2 hits every mechanical attack that do a total of 4000-6000 is too much. I don't want to see the character get gutted. But I want to see it be much less oppressive.
@@Draupnir_BR Yeah, Id like for them to reduce the passive hits to 1.
Or, you know, maybe its Snowprints way of allowing us to do as many Guild Raid boss cycles as before Legendary 5 and the boss buffs :D
There is plenty of room for snowprint to develop new characters to form
a much more effective team comp against avatar than admech is now.
Likewise, there is plenty of room for their to be better team comps against mortarion and others.
Let’s not forget that new bosses drop regularly, and those could be made to be rho resistant.
To speak to the ‘future design space’ argument, Snowprint has other options.
They could also:
1)Create new bosses that admech struggles against (or an admech boss which would negate taking rho and company at all)
2) create more specialist new characters/teams that would be better than admech against specific bosses. A mortarion team that does 1 million damage wouldn’t be game breaking but would be substantially better than rho. An avatar comp that does 800k wouldn’t be game breaking but would be substantially better than admech.
Of SnowPrint were to take 1 or both options it would allow the admech comp to be a great general team but would encourage players to have secondary teams.
What percentage of guilds get past Legendary Guild Raids?
My Guild, and I believe that most Guils are like this, have a range of power levels. We never get past the 3rd Legendary Guild Raid.
I keep seeing vudeos about how much damage is done at Legendary 5 (or whatever) and I have no context for what is being talked about.
How does a G1 or D1 Exitor team compare to a G1 or D1 Ragnar team? These are comparisons that would be useful to me.
Somewhere above 200th place guilds start clearing L5. my old guild was around 200, we sometimes beat L4. My new guild is 54th place and we clear L5 two times.
there are numbers on the leaderboard in the top 50, it tells you how often the legendary raid has been cleared
I started playing right after Tan’s CRE. I still don’t have him…
I will strongly disagree with Rho being overpowered but the bosses being to weak and a lot of characters being also too weak. You are talking only about maxed Rho or the most end game build. Most of the people doesn't have an end game account and if you then compare mechanical teams to the others you can see the other teams are better/easier to use. The problem still is Eldryon. If you can see a character being used every single comp, there is a problem. Nerfing Rho doesn't make sense, but buffing single hit characters makes sense. Bosses need to have finally mechanics to be for only 1hit with very high armor.
I guess they should adjust the raid by realasing new bosses with sorts of restitances to mechanical
Im puttting all my resources into Rho. He is on his way to Dia1 leggy 4*. Skills only 36/38, that will take 3 months or more but what can you do. In the last video about Rho someone told me the passive would be capped at 15 times additional attacks, I dont know if thats true. Anyway Im very happy I went against the advice of my guild mates and ignored Ragnar and went for Rho instead. I wasnt even aware he works for Mortarion and Rogal (cause the Overwatch gets triggered by the summons?) . Avatar I can imagine, but you probably need D3 for all chars and lv50 Tangida summons, otherwise they will not survive (same for Morty). Maybe you can do a video about the general strat for each boss with Rho and 1 example of a high damage game for each boss. Would be appreciated :) Also one last question should I use the armour which gives only armor or the other one which gives HP as well?
15hit cap isn't about rho. It's the change in rotbone and gibbascraps for the prime fights. Realistically rho is the easiest character to max the 15 hits per round so he was probably mentioned but I've seen combinations of abraxas and yarrick, sho that also max out the 15 hits per round
@@ryukyle5913 thx for clarification, so nothing to worry about :)
Thanks, and please continue this constructive, polite criticism. We both love this game and its community.
I have undeveloped Exitor-Rho and Tan Gi'da. 27 shards more, and I would have 130 needed to unlock Actus. Lucky for me, there is this special offer...
(--,__,--) ,,I,.
I'm tired of money-grabbing, toxic, pay-to-win. Bull...t like that. And there's much more of it now as the player base is growing. A year ago, this game was announcing slogans like
"Importance of balanced costs for all players" and they were really doing that. So more people started playing. Oh, wait... I know this marketing trick.
It's not too late yet.
But it has all the symptoms.
It's becoming another Predatory Casino mobile scam game.
But not yet. It's not too late yet. We can vote with our money and communicate with dev team.
Let's be a polite, good, willing community.
nah ragnar is better according to nandi wink wink nudge nudge
Actually, we had dominant raid teams for most of the time. We had summoner, multihitters (before and after Ragnar). And we were also close to killing boss in 10-20 tokens until they added 5th epic and raid bosses. Rho isn't anything we didn't see before.
I don’t want to build him out of principle.
I have all the Admechs… except I already have a multi Rag team and Neuro team going. I just finished my first two D1s! (Rag and Bella). Extra imp badges just went into FoC AM and DAs to use in guild war.
Rho and SP can go right off. Idk what to do other than maybe get in on the next big meta swing.
Thanks for the video man. The community greatly appreciates it
501 :D
Agreed
This continuos power-creep isn't good for the game. They already did some wrong turns in game design, i hope they'll understand what is better for the game to keep it good.
I thought i was the only one noticing everyone using same teams
Buff all other character to make everyone in line?
Good video man hope you get more credit from snow print
I despise mechanics where you sit iddle and pets do your thing and also dont like mechs
I am never leveling him, so far almost no one in my guild has him at a decent lvl and we are ranked around 70 in guild wars , so if they really make ra obsolete or kharn within a moronic time frame I might just quit
Ppl dont like it but nerfs are just necesary,. The "dont nerf, buff others to x level" is cancerous.. it snowballs into hyper power creep.
Proper balancing comes from nerfing the top tiers and buffing the crap tiers.. it is inevitable .
"Oh but i put so much effort and money on rho" .. well here comes what i call : " the concesuences of un ethical advantages "
Everibody KNOWs rho is broken, dumping money into a broken situation is not an excuse to avoid the righteous repairs.. (this aplies to all in life)
Enjoy it while you can but dont cry when things get fixed or normalized .
@@kstud40k the video answers that question.. as i did : it leads to hyper power creep. You cant buff everyone to rhos level , thats perpetuating the problem, you would end now with 10 ROH instead of just 1.
Nerfing 1 is the right move . Swift amd practical.
@@kstud40k Again - power creep.
Everybody gets too powerfull -> bosses needs to be buffed -> they release someone who deals damage slightly better -> that character becomes meta -> people start crying "buff other characters" -> infinite circle
If you just nerf some OP character you can restore balance without continuous power creep.
@@kstud40k you won't achieve total balance for everyone. SP is a bit too small company to be able to balance things right. If they were able to - they would be doing that, but instead they focus on making new characters. And you actually can see how well they balance things based on their reworks.
Hence the easiest possible solution right now - to nerf Rho.