Borutards #71: Subverting expectations

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  • @reinsama2.09
    @reinsama2.09 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    Zeta Gundam released in 1985 and 4 decades later (despite some questionable decisions) it's still one of the BEST anime sequels of all time.
    Borushit could never

    • @shadowofthenorthstar989
      @shadowofthenorthstar989 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      comparing Zeta to Boringto is pretty unfair lmao its not even close. its a giant squashing a bug

    • @reinsama2.09
      @reinsama2.09 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @shadowofthenorthstar989 shhhhhhh
      I know it's unfair, that's the point

    • @MikoYotsuya292
      @MikoYotsuya292 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Ive seen some 'fans' say Zeta was garbage but then proceed to say witch from mercury was a masterpiece 🤣

    • @Zero_Tester
      @Zero_Tester 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@MikoYotsuya292i have seen people trashing Turn A while talking like Wfm is better than Turn A too,not to mention most of recent Gundam fan I've seen prefer robotic character like Mikazuki or someone like Setsuna that got godlike power like an LN character in his verse

    • @Mike-xh2vm
      @Mike-xh2vm 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Those are new woke fans, I pretty much got banned from the Gundam discord for not saying with from Mercury was good, and because they complain of old Gundam shows because it was sexist, when I told them the shows also crap on men, but they wouldn't listen and banned me.​@@MikoYotsuya292

  • @greengem9132
    @greengem9132 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Ok is it just me or is every anime TH-camr keep saying. " Subversive and unpredictable"

    • @ThatAnimeSnob
      @ThatAnimeSnob  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      no it's true

    • @greengem9132
      @greengem9132 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@ThatAnimeSnob huh ... How very predictable

  • @hamlet1055
    @hamlet1055 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    How is it that you`re funnier when your humor it`s not in your face?

  • @copperfield42
    @copperfield42 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    so, what was the plot twist?
    on second thought, I don't care...

    • @sarthakarora3212
      @sarthakarora3212 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The twist is that the girl with the power of seeing anything happening anywhere in the world actually has the power of continuous brainwhasing which she can't control and is used by the mc's bro to brainwhase everyone. The girl was truned into a tool since her birth and is not being used has one by the story and charcters. I guess the twist was she never had any hope of living life and will always be targeted cause people fear her or want to use her.

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A bleach fan saying this is crazy work

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@sarthakarora3212you don't know wtf is happening in the show stfu
      She doesn't have the power to continuously brain wash people
      And huh? Wtf are you talking about ?
      And yh that's not what the twist is
      It's "roles have being reversed" that's the twist you just typed a whole bunch of 🚮

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@sarthakarora3212you don't know wtf is happening in the show shush
      She doesn't have the power to continuously brain wash people
      And huh? Wtf are you talking about ?
      And yh that's not what the twist is
      It's "roles have being reversed" that's the twist you just typed a whole bunch of 🚮

    • @marcomilillo23
      @marcomilillo23 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@sylvanuskofi1952 nah it's Boruto. Any shonen anime can make fun of it

  • @Ash_Wen-li
    @Ash_Wen-li 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I don't follow Boruto so I can't comment on the plot twist specifically but I do find it funny how he said he'd love to hear about people glazing the plot twist but didn't mention to comment if they disagree

  • @M3rtyville
    @M3rtyville 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I didn't even think of that as a plottwist. It was a big moment but not something I would brag about like when Aizen turned out to be a bad guy pulling the strings during Soul Society arc of Bleach.

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a plot twist know what you're talking about before yapping

    • @marcomilillo23
      @marcomilillo23 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      If we go with Naruto examples, Obito being Tobi is already a good plot twist in the Naruto story
      Nothing in Boruto comes really close

    • @dannyxilva7382
      @dannyxilva7382 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dude shut up

    • @dannyxilva7382
      @dannyxilva7382 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@marcomilillo23 y'all will say anything but acknowledge boruto

    • @marcomilillo23
      @marcomilillo23 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@dannyxilva7382 because there is nothing to acknowledge about it

  • @wolfwood267
    @wolfwood267 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Boruto subverts expectations by being even worse than expected

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Saying this while being ignorant about the series is crazy work

  • @MatthewHollow
    @MatthewHollow 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "It's something we never seen before!"
    Lol

  • @marianofedericoberaldi8791
    @marianofedericoberaldi8791 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Why is Boruto still ongoing?

    • @shadowofthenorthstar989
      @shadowofthenorthstar989 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      money

    • @marianofedericoberaldi8791
      @marianofedericoberaldi8791 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @shadowofthenorthstar989 I'm guessing the anime and the merch sales are doing well as opposed to the Manga sales.

    • @shadowofthenorthstar989
      @shadowofthenorthstar989 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@marianofedericoberaldi8791 i mean its living off the success of its predecessor just like DBS

    • @gwadahunter2222
      @gwadahunter2222 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      It makes Naruto's franchise relevant

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cause it's a story ? And it's good ?

  • @darkmithrill3do348
    @darkmithrill3do348 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Hey Snob, have you seen "The Expanse", I heard it's a pretty good sci-fi series... thought you might like it...

    • @ThatAnimeSnob
      @ThatAnimeSnob  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I did, it bored me to death

  • @MorphBall1
    @MorphBall1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    What are examples of good subversions for the sake of the narrative and not for the sake of subverting expectations?

    • @JarenLemon
      @JarenLemon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Breaking Bad
      Death Note (Manga)
      Cyberpunk Edgerunners
      Another (Anime)

    • @Ash_Wen-li
      @Ash_Wen-li 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      "No, I am your father"
      It flipped our perception of the story, protagonist and villain as well as Obi Wan and Yoda's telling of the situation and allowed more room for Luke's possible downfall and Vader's redemption. Especially since things were previously worded in a way so that viewers wouldn't necessarily assume Vader was Luke's father

    • @Miles_de_Arete
      @Miles_de_Arete 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      There's an old video that Snob made on how to make a good plot twist and its flaws.
      It's part of an archived playlist: th-cam.com/video/8fC-ONZxWfo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J6RY3Pu_yxLTqxh1

    • @deagogl2843
      @deagogl2843 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Outside comedy. A good subversion challenges the audience's false assumptions, by initially presenting them simplicity, this could be in a form plot point or character's first impressions, thereafter, it subverts those assumptions; 'It's actually more nuanced. Snap judgements leaf to false assumptions. Life is more complicated. Humans are complex beings. Turns out it's much deeper than initially presented, etc, etc'.
      This approach mirrors real life, where people and situations are rarely as simple as they initially seem.
      It's preferable in my opinion to start a story element simple, slowly and subtly revealing layers of depth, instead of showing it all immediately.
      As for examples, a classical one is Frankenstein's monster, initially presented as a grotesque inhuman creature, but actually was surprisingly intelligent, eloquent, and depressed. Forcing the audience to reconsider who is the real 'monster'.

    • @WickedAnimeTroll
      @WickedAnimeTroll 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The first Predator movie.

  • @flandergenetics5294
    @flandergenetics5294 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    You've given your audience an abundance of material why these no-names are always wrong, and yes they represent a large majority of consumer season-by-season. I think you need to double down on the drama, while being as least dramatic as possible, and keep continuing a series like this with the popular AniTubers. I'd like to say this time around , if you did indeed did that, we'll have your back twice as strong.

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂 saying this to a video being ignorant about a topic is crazy work 😂

  • @akumaten
    @akumaten 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    So..what was the dumb twist

    • @sarthakarora3212
      @sarthakarora3212 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      A girl with god powers has the power to see anything happening anywhere on the planet since she was born/created the plot twist is that her true power is-rewriting reality by continuous brainwhasing which she can't control. This is forshadowed by a villian with future sight who says "you will lose everything when that happens", the plot twist is just her power being abused by the mc's bro to re-write reality and switch their identity so the mc is the father killing evil bastard now.

    • @akumaten
      @akumaten 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@sarthakarora3212 That sounds like the plot of Blazblue.
      Also, Boruto killed Naruto?

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@akumatenso you're ignorant on the series yet say it's "dumb" like .....?

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@akumatenyh he's wrong and you're gobbling it up like sick work

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@sarthakarora3212you don't know wtf is happening in the show shush
      She doesn't have the power to continuously brain wash people
      And huh? Wtf are you talking about ?

  • @Unrealizedthoughts0
    @Unrealizedthoughts0 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    No, I've been saying this for some time, but that was just a lazy way to have the world against Boruto. I know it'd be a rehashed but have Momoshiki and Boruto be like Bruce Banner and the Hulk. It gets so bad that, the village actively makes steps to possibly end Boruto to prevent Momoshiki's take over.

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂yh lazy way when it's being built up why is it that this comment section proves to me time and time again you guys are ignorant?
      And on. Top of that you think you can do better 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @dannyxilva7382
      @dannyxilva7382 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Dude how is this lazy, it legit was foreshadowed way back in the momoshiki arc

    • @Unrealizedthoughts0
      @Unrealizedthoughts0 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @sylvanuskofi1952 It is lazy. Basically, it's a wish that happened. Momoshiki was already a threat, and people knew Boruto was a ticking timebomb, but a wish had to make people go after.

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Unrealizedthoughts0 what wish ? You're bringing your 🚮 head canons here lmao 🤣,yh he was already a threat since chap 1
      What wish ? You should Google the meaning of "lazy writing" before using it as a critic

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Unrealizedthoughts0 so let me get this straight a built up plot since more than half a decade is lazy 🤔,then we might as well call everything lazy writing agreed?
      If not stop projecting your lazy head canons as facts and huh?

  • @FredSpade
    @FredSpade 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    For your information, this sentence is not very informative.

  • @jtiv576
    @jtiv576 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Snob, I’ve always felt you punch down not because you’re too harsh but because we get it. Shonens are commercial, they are not trying to be literary works.
    I’d rather you see scrutinize Cormac McCarthy or David Foster Wallace.

    • @ThatAnimeSnob
      @ThatAnimeSnob  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      > they are not trying to be literary works
      Every fanboy: Lies, they are better than Shakespere!

    • @giornogiostar3214
      @giornogiostar3214 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@ThatAnimeSnob
      Tbf the only shonen fans I've seen making that statement is One Piece ones.

    • @Grudgebearer47
      @Grudgebearer47 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ThatAnimeSnobfun fact: Shakespeare’s works were considered low brow fiction back when they were first released

    • @DOGEELLL
      @DOGEELLL 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Grudgebearer47that tell you how much better writer used to be

  • @reysolo3672
    @reysolo3672 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    While it's true that weather naturally fluctuates, "climate change" refers to a significant long-term shift in Earth's average weather patterns, primarily driven by human activities like burning fossil fuels, causing a rapid warming trend that is distinct from normal weather variations; essentially, the climate is changing at a much faster rate than historical natural cycles, leading to more extreme weather events

    • @otterfire4712
      @otterfire4712 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think it's funny because the Earth has experienced far hotter and colder climates eons ago. Additionally, most material used on Earth has been around for those Eons. The difference maker is tectonic placement and a balance between land and oceans. Extinction events were predominantly due to those poor tectonic placements and ultimately after tens of millenia, life on Earth overcame those extinction events.
      Even if it were true about humanity significantly influencing climate change (strange how lobbyists have been panicking about it for decades and anticipating the end for years prior, but it's never happened), China and India are far more toxic to the environment as they don't have conservationist laws and regulations to care for the Earth, which is why a lot of products are imported from China and Korea.

  • @WardForger
    @WardForger 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Even if you make the argument that omnipotence plot twist is a "good subversion" the manga still failed to deliver and follow up from Momoshiki prophecy that was promised for 8 years... Boruto didn't lost anyone and apparently Sasuke is the only person in the entire series that impacted him and forced a whole edgy personality into him from one chapter in the pre-timeskip to the next chapter in the timeskip. This is why it gives more credence to the hater that Boruto is nothing more but riding a coattail to a legacy character like Sasuke.

    • @risingreform3816
      @risingreform3816 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      How is Boruto Edgy he saved Code from his deadly Jutsu and was willing to work with him and he still views Kawaki as family.

    • @WardForger
      @WardForger 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@risingreform3816 Because Boruto was trying to showoff with his "cool" drip and with his stoic personality talking shit to the enemies which carries alot of Sasuke quirks. The manga was juggling the idea whether Boruto was going to kill Code which he intended to do so with multiple warnings only for Boruto to spare him in the end. Sure, Boruto didnt follow thru with the threat but as you can see the manga already planted the idea that Boruto was going to finish off Code initially and Boruto become so stoic in his intro came across extremely Jarring after sloppy rushed mess of Part 1 which feels so damn Forced and Contrived so much so that it is enough to make everyone calling him edgy even though it might be over exageratted.

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@WardForgerBoruto has been talking shi since the beginning it's not this time skip that changed him go to codes arc and see for yourself

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes he did , he lost his name , position, friends , and parents
      You don't know what you're talking about

    • @sylvanuskofi1952
      @sylvanuskofi1952 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      First it was it's riding of. The coatials of Narutos legacy, then he got removed now it's riding off Sasuke when sasuke doesn't hug girls, smile at them , nor empathize nor reflect on himself for the most part crazy indeed

  • @dannyxilva7382
    @dannyxilva7382 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Its okay bud we all know you want attention

    • @ThatAnimeSnob
      @ThatAnimeSnob  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Was that supposed to prove something? Why was that video made for? So nobody will notice it?

    • @dannyxilva7382
      @dannyxilva7382 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@ThatAnimeSnob Dude, I'm really tired of boruto haters like you. You can't acknowledge something and turn around and be like no one cares

  • @Naan_Gang
    @Naan_Gang 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Boruto is better than War Arc Narushit after Madaras death
    but thats it

    • @Ash_Wen-li
      @Ash_Wen-li 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      So you're telling me the Zetsu betrayal wasn't a good subversion?

    • @Naan_Gang
      @Naan_Gang 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Ash_Wen-li lol

    • @Criticmasterz
      @Criticmasterz 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Ash_Wen-liheck no

  • @sylvanuskofi1952
    @sylvanuskofi1952 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Its crazy how you never read boruto yet want to talk about thats crazy work but hey if it gives you views go for it