@@goksir5845 Yup, so learning who and when each hero uses their undodgeables when playing a deflect hero is important, because these can be baited out for deflects. It's important to use as many different counter options as you can to keep the opponent guessing. Parry this, deflect that, crushing counter the next, dodge attack after that, etc. And yeah, ignore this other guy.
as someone who played though all the trials and campaign one on normal and the other time on hard I can say that this one man is better at explaining a game than a multi billion dollar company Ive been playing for honor since year 1 and im just now learning about things like frame advantage and why side deflects are so hard and why alot of times things just don't work and things like that I mean FFS its ubisoft a multi national multi billion dollar company and its one youtuber who taught me the complicated thing wtf Ubisoft wtf
What more would you want the deflect trial to say? Whether you know the ms windows or not, the only way you'll be able to do it is with a lot of reps and knowing other heroes attacks.
I'd also like to add that in a ganking situation, the deflect direction carries over to a subsequent attack as well as the second target if it immediately connects after the first attack. Also you can deflect most attacks that aren't unblockable with your back dodge, but you can leave that one up to luck/ a heavy read.
edit: I'd like to add that these videos are fantastic, I'm just sharing a personal anecdote and in no way is this comment meant to passively undermine freeze's knowledge.
I decided to get back into the game, and a few of my friends are coming back too. I figured I could definitely use this refresher XD. Have a good day freeze and thanks for staying with this game.
I wouldn't mind trying to allow unblockable to be deflected. Than maybe having a deflect take priority could work out. I know when being ganked it could be annoying deflecting attacks you try to dodge, but I would like to see it in a testing grounds.
I'm a returning player and weekend warrior, so I wanna get gud. These are helping. So if I get that complaint about unblockable attacks and Iframes, people think that unblockable should be undodgeable too? (Around 2:45 give or take) cuz I heard it as it does s instead of guard frames so you can dodge. Complaint that s (dodging) override blocking frames. We're it reversed there's (over simplification) no need to dodge. It would be whoever can spam unblockable the fastest and thats not fun
What would you recommend me to do as the best way to become good with deflects? Since right now it's usually down to luck whether I get them and when I try it doesn't go too well. Also hellooooo 🙃, S1ked recommended you to become better at for honor, so I've come to devour all the videos so that I'm no longer a hindrance 🤣. So far, they've been extremely helpful, so thank you for creating them.
What about external deflects where the game sometimes target switches you, or when you try to dodge/deflect an external attack and your character dodges the wrong direction?
Oh yea, I was coaching a couple of newcomers yesterday and they wanted to 3v1 me, and I kept dodging left, but the game was like "nope you go RIGHT and that's a deflect btw :)".. Like they're magnetized.
If you dodge out of an incoming followup light after being hit by a light, are you guaranteed to be in deflect window (assuming you guessed correctly on dodge direction)? Perhaps only when buffered?
From what I can tell, yes, but I haven't tested this specifically, and still make a conscious effort to score my mid-combo deflects rather than accidentally getting them or just hoping for the best.
You say deflects are more risky because they leave you gb voulnerable. But normal non option select parry attempts do that, too. So realistically deflects aren't much riskiery than a standard parry attempt.
So quick question to the community & Freeze, so before the CCU update PK was given a deflect Riptose stab speed buff of 300ms because the enemy's 2nd chain lights would knock her out of the deflect stab before it could land. So the 300ms or whatever buff made it to where she would land the deflect stab before the 2nd chain light hit & if the enemy had HA the 2nd light would hit after the deflect stab. Now since the CCU changes have been here PK is back to getting knocked out of her deflect stab by the 2nd chain light from some heros, is this because of the CCU changes??
Universal shutdown against Shugoki is to continuously backstep and roll on UB. Bashing helps a lot, but shouldn't be relied upon. Just try to outrange them and keep combos to a controlled minimum until you get more comfortable against Shugoki in general, as well as the specific opponent.
I know how to deflect because one of my friends taught me but that was like a year ago so I forgot I used to be like the Perry God you know and then I freaking haven't played for a year since I got it on PlayStation Plus and I didn't have it for a year
No it is not. Only assassins have deflects. Many heros have dodges with superior block, like how valk can dodge into an attack to get a shoulder pin. Very deflect like but technically not a deflect.
@@Yhormungandr You are correct. I forgot. He is the one exception. Considering he has a reflex guard and a deflect tho, he feels much more like an assassin.
Except Valk's is literally a deflect - unlike conq/kensei/others with a superior block on dodge and a dodge action, she can only access the move through nailing the dodge in the right timing. That is indistinguishable from a deflect.
@@Zayl1016 Except, it's still a superior block dodge. It has the OPTION to do a special move, the pin, but you could also just do the dodge light. The game even calls it a superior block dodge rather than a deflect, the enemy's attack bounces off like every other superior block dodge rather than swinging through, Valk does no special animation when she gets the superior block like every ACTUAL deflect character has. It can't be a deflect
@@chemicalexposure8537 www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/74f4op/valkyrie_shoulder_pin_explained_why_its_one_of/ forhonor.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyrie/Moveset Except the community acknowledges it as a deflect because it is functionally identical to a deflect. Literally everything freeze said about deflects applies to her shoulder pin.
Yeah trough inputting the heavy to early your shaolin "canceles" his deflect into his forward dodge-heavy, and because you aren't dodging anymore you don't get the deflect
OP I main Orochi, but I'm still of the opinion that Ubi made the correct choice with beta change, free dmg on blocking late? Wtf. I'm sure that you can find alpha footage somewhere on the internet, with current overall skill of players, the change back would make deflects OP. Edit: ME myself block lights on reaction at the last frame, I can't parry on reaction, but that doesn't stop me from blocking on reaction at the last frame.
They definitely do count as deflects, yes, because you can perform the deflect without pinning, grabbing, or lighting. Also, I might be wrong, but I don't think the deflect grab is guaranteed on all heroes, valkyrie included. That said, I just always pin with her so I may be wrong.
@@Super__Goliath Well a buckler is a parry shield. Abnormally small and offering little defence, it was used to deflect or control your opponents attack. I assume they gave him such a short gaurd to recreate this.
Tops are definitely harder because they require a hard read, unless you're catching a heavy or forward dash heavy. So trying to catch a mid-combo top light is super high risk
God those orochi's man, the've ruined the fun for me everytime especially in the last 3 Viking story missions 😭😭 just deflecting and hard countering my attacks, I'm quite new so I don't know how to punish deflects.
heavy feint to GB or just feint to neutral and parry the dodge attack. Try and do the tutorial in the training menu. That should explain a lot of basic parts of a hero's kit. Good luck with it!
HOW MANY FINGER DO I NEED TO PLAY THIS GAME!!! You want me to move a stick holding l2 hit x and square all at the same time...in less than a second. Wtf is this shit
Honestly, I always thought deflect window was 100ms, didn't know it was 200 Edit: some guy in the replies said that freeze said that "it starts at 100ms and ends at 200ms of the dodge" when freeze literally said in the video " it lasts 200ms ". This community is really hopeless, when someone directly tells them how the game works and they still get the information wrong.
@@KazumiyaEnthusiast No, he said " ... activates 100ms into the dodge and lasts 200ms ... " You should go see a doctor, you might have some hearing problem.
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So that's why warlord zone always felt much easier to deflect than his normal side swings... Thanks Freeze!
@@taylorindustries Look at the title of the video.
Taylor Industries because youre being an idiot
@@goksir5845 Yup, so learning who and when each hero uses their undodgeables when playing a deflect hero is important, because these can be baited out for deflects.
It's important to use as many different counter options as you can to keep the opponent guessing. Parry this, deflect that, crushing counter the next, dodge attack after that, etc.
And yeah, ignore this other guy.
as someone who played though all the trials and campaign one on normal and the other time on hard I can say that this one man is better at explaining a game than a multi billion dollar company Ive been playing for honor since year 1 and im just now learning about things like frame advantage and why side deflects are so hard and why alot of times things just don't work and things like that I mean FFS its ubisoft a multi national multi billion dollar company and its one youtuber who taught me the complicated thing wtf Ubisoft wtf
I guess the trials are like therapists, they teach you what to do, but not how to do.
What more would you want the deflect trial to say? Whether you know the ms windows or not, the only way you'll be able to do it is with a lot of reps and knowing other heroes attacks.
loving these series, I can direct all my beginner friends here
It's always nice to have a healthy catalogue about a game's mechanics available!
ppl when orochi deflects: O:
ppl when Zhanhu, valkiry, shinobi, Gladiator, Shaolin, pk, shaman or nuxia deflect: |:
Most orochis I fight deflect by accident when trying to dodge attack
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial and after that they be like:" yeah i did this on purpose"
@@finnsen1771 true lol
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial sshhh
forgot kensei's deflect :(
This came at the perfect time. Just the other day I was trying to learn deflecting with my Orochi.
Gosh, I didn't know about the window difference between side and top deflects. Always felt unnaturally different, and now I can see why. :O Thanks!
Even as a veteran rep 300 I still find these videos interesting to learn all the numbers behind the screen
I'd also like to add that in a ganking situation, the deflect direction carries over to a subsequent attack as well as the second target if it immediately connects after the first attack. Also you can deflect most attacks that aren't unblockable with your back dodge, but you can leave that one up to luck/ a heavy read.
edit: I'd like to add that these videos are fantastic, I'm just sharing a personal anecdote and in no way is this comment meant to passively undermine freeze's knowledge.
Best explanation of deflects I have seen, thanks so much.
An excellent idea to make this series freeze. If only we had these kinda vids 3 years ago...
I decided to get back into the game, and a few of my friends are coming back too. I figured I could definitely use this refresher XD. Have a good day freeze and thanks for staying with this game.
Defelcts should be useful against unblockable hits, after all, they are sliding the weapon against another, not a block
carrying the community per usual, lets goooooooooo
I wouldn't mind trying to allow unblockable to be deflected. Than maybe having a deflect take priority could work out. I know when being ganked it could be annoying deflecting attacks you try to dodge, but I would like to see it in a testing grounds.
Sure what we need is 24 damage heavy parries
@@ivan24121996 we already have that. Go to lawdaddy and warmonger. Also, deflecting can be baited and can be punished for more than an option select.
@@spegwettie9053 guess what, we should not have this and those outliers have to be adjusted, because 15+ damage heavy parries are retarded
Honestly a really helpful video. Thanks papa freeze
I like this calm Freeze!
As someone who is starting to play again as an Orochi main thank you
I didn’t know you could deflect unblockeable this make me feel better about aways hitting the light dodge with my charcter on those
you CANNOT deflect unblockables
I'm a returning player and weekend warrior, so I wanna get gud. These are helping.
So if I get that complaint about unblockable attacks and Iframes, people think that unblockable should be undodgeable too? (Around 2:45 give or take) cuz I heard it as it does s instead of guard frames so you can dodge. Complaint that s (dodging) override blocking frames. We're it reversed there's (over simplification) no need to dodge. It would be whoever can spam unblockable the fastest and thats not fun
What would you recommend me to do as the best way to become good with deflects? Since right now it's usually down to luck whether I get them and when I try it doesn't go too well. Also hellooooo 🙃, S1ked recommended you to become better at for honor, so I've come to devour all the videos so that I'm no longer a hindrance 🤣. So far, they've been extremely helpful, so thank you for creating them.
What about external deflects where the game sometimes target switches you, or when you try to dodge/deflect an external attack and your character dodges the wrong direction?
Oh yea, I was coaching a couple of newcomers yesterday and they wanted to 3v1 me, and I kept dodging left, but the game was like "nope you go RIGHT and that's a deflect btw :)".. Like they're magnetized.
So what's the difference between a "deflect" and valkyries... thing
Couldn’t they make it with unblockable attacks deflect prioritised and with unblockables invincibility frames a re prioritised?
I thought this was only the best players could do and everyone else is lightspammers
Look forward to your superior block and S-block "deflect" video.
If you dodge out of an incoming followup light after being hit by a light, are you guaranteed to be in deflect window (assuming you guessed correctly on dodge direction)?
Perhaps only when buffered?
From what I can tell, yes, but I haven't tested this specifically, and still make a conscious effort to score my mid-combo deflects rather than accidentally getting them or just hoping for the best.
Do you dodge into the parry indicator, or into the moment of impact?
Omg, they totally changed how deflect works from way before. No wonder all my deflects felt so off
You say deflects are more risky because they leave you gb voulnerable. But normal non option select parry attempts do that, too. So realistically deflects aren't much riskiery than a standard parry attempt.
So quick question to the community & Freeze, so before the CCU update PK was given a deflect Riptose stab speed buff of 300ms because the enemy's 2nd chain lights would knock her out of the deflect stab before it could land. So the 300ms or whatever buff made it to where she would land the deflect stab before the 2nd chain light hit & if the enemy had HA the 2nd light would hit after the deflect stab. Now since the CCU changes have been here PK is back to getting knocked out of her deflect stab by the 2nd chain light from some heros, is this because of the CCU changes??
I have a question. How to dodge shugo when you play some assasin?
Universal shutdown against Shugoki is to continuously backstep and roll on UB. Bashing helps a lot, but shouldn't be relied upon. Just try to outrange them and keep combos to a controlled minimum until you get more comfortable against Shugoki in general, as well as the specific opponent.
@@Super__Goliath and then theres the easyer way wich is pick glad or black prior and option select everything with ur busted zone
@@TrustedFemboy That can be countered by a decent Shugoki though so it's not as reliable. They can just bait out a zone or option select
I know how to deflect because one of my friends taught me but that was like a year ago so I forgot I used to be like the Perry God you know and then I freaking haven't played for a year since I got it on PlayStation Plus and I didn't have it for a year
The s explains a lot actually.
Is zhanu's bash not considered a deflect then?
It's a superior block as far as I'm aware
No it is not. Only assassins have deflects. Many heros have dodges with superior block, like how valk can dodge into an attack to get a shoulder pin. Very deflect like but technically not a deflect.
@@Mustacheoro Ah thanks
@@Mustacheoro Isn't Shaolin's a deflect though? Freeze mentioned him and he's not an assassin.
@@Yhormungandr You are correct. I forgot. He is the one exception. Considering he has a reflex guard and a deflect tho, he feels much more like an assassin.
Didn't they increase the window to deflect on side ones a couple patches ago?
"Assassins, as well as shaolin, can deflect." Don't worry, everyone forgets about Valkyrie.
If you count her then you have to count Zhanu and possibly anyone who can dodge attack with superior block dodging, like Kensei.
That's a superior block, which Freeze said he wasn't talking about in the video
Except Valk's is literally a deflect - unlike conq/kensei/others with a superior block on dodge and a dodge action, she can only access the move through nailing the dodge in the right timing. That is indistinguishable from a deflect.
@@Zayl1016 Except, it's still a superior block dodge. It has the OPTION to do a special move, the pin, but you could also just do the dodge light. The game even calls it a superior block dodge rather than a deflect, the enemy's attack bounces off like every other superior block dodge rather than swinging through, Valk does no special animation when she gets the superior block like every ACTUAL deflect character has. It can't be a deflect
@@chemicalexposure8537
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Except the community acknowledges it as a deflect because it is functionally identical to a deflect. Literally everything freeze said about deflects applies to her shoulder pin.
valk has a deflect right
I find this mind blowing because, I don’t know why, only with shaolin, I can’t deflect from the top anymore 😂
you input the heavy too early
Yeah trough inputting the heavy to early your shaolin "canceles" his deflect into his forward dodge-heavy, and because you aren't dodging anymore you don't get the deflect
Probably because Shaolin has a forward dodge heavy attack. If you input it too early it will do that instead of the deflect.
Please do attack types (unlockables undodgeables hyperarmor just to name a few)
I needa train on dis
What if they changed deflects back to guarding an attack late instead of what it is now? I'm wondering if that will make deflects more viable.
It would make it way too easy because all the low level people block last seconds and the game is way faster now then at the beginning
OP
I main Orochi, but I'm still of the opinion that Ubi made the correct choice with beta change, free dmg on blocking late? Wtf.
I'm sure that you can find alpha footage somewhere on the internet, with current overall skill of players, the change back would make deflects OP.
Edit: ME myself block lights on reaction at the last frame, I can't parry on reaction, but that doesn't stop me from blocking on reaction at the last frame.
You wouldn't be able to punish deflect attempts and it would be very easy.
I didn't know about i-frames and the deflect window overlapping on side dodges, thanks freeze
I play for honor on my ps4, If I get for honor on my pc on steam, can I log in and keep all of my saved data
No, there is no cross save
so do you use a light or a heavy to deflect their attack?
just dodge
Was this supposed to be hidden?
wait does valk not count as a deflect? is if a dodge attack? what's the difference?
it's a superior block dodge
@@fkkfreeze ah, i see. ty
Is this less than 100ms deflect window on side heavies a bug?
Also do valk's pin and guarantee GB not count as deflects?
They definitely do count as deflects, yes, because you can perform the deflect without pinning, grabbing, or lighting.
Also, I might be wrong, but I don't think the deflect grab is guaranteed on all heroes, valkyrie included. That said, I just always pin with her so I may be wrong.
does reflex guard work equally on every single hero, or are there some particularities?
There used to be different timings for how long the guard lasted, with glad being the shortest. However this was standardized with the CCU.
@@Mustacheoro I never understood that. Why did gladiator, the one assassin with a shield, have the shortest reflex guard timer? Baffled me.
@@Super__Goliath Well a buckler is a parry shield. Abnormally small and offering little defence, it was used to deflect or control your opponents attack. I assume they gave him such a short gaurd to recreate this.
I find side>top. I just can't time the dodge on tops
Funny top is the easiest for me
@@drownsinkoolaid4203 ya,I just don't attempt top deflects because I'll just eat it
Tops are definitely harder because they require a hard read, unless you're catching a heavy or forward dash heavy. So trying to catch a mid-combo top light is super high risk
@@thehoot8291 well technically they are easier but some people,like me,have problems timing it compared to side attacks
God those orochi's man, the've ruined the fun for me everytime especially in the last 3 Viking story missions 😭😭 just deflecting and hard countering my attacks, I'm quite new so I don't know how to punish deflects.
heavy feint to GB or just feint to neutral and parry the dodge attack.
Try and do the tutorial in the training menu. That should explain a lot of basic parts of a hero's kit.
Good luck with it!
@@fkkfreeze thanks dude, I will try.
Secret place
I just can't do it
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Mfw face when mfw shinobi auto deflect with double the deflect frames
Wow. Is this a secret area?
Edit/clarification: i left this comment when it was an unlisted video with ~20 views.
It just me or I just find deflecting with keyboard and mouse is way harder compare to using Joysticks.
Depends on what you’re used to, it is 2 - 3x easier to deflect on Pc then on console though
It gives me pain as a valkyrie main that you didnt mention her
0:39
Superior blocks not includid in the video as he said
Calls "deflect" isn't a deflect it's a superior block which is why it wasn't mentioned
Valkirie has deflects
She has superior block, not a deflect. 0:39
shhhhh, stop spilling them beans. I don’t want others to git gud. W
im literally trying for hours and couldn’t even get 1 deflect i may delete the game ngl
Wait, so... It's EASIER to deflect a side UNDODGEABLE attack? That's some Ubisoft logic right there
HOW MANY FINGER DO I NEED TO PLAY THIS GAME!!! You want me to move a stick holding l2 hit x and square all at the same time...in less than a second. Wtf is this shit
change to toggle lockon.
that way you only need to press L2 once, instead of holding it.
Honestly, I always thought deflect window was 100ms, didn't know it was 200
Edit: some guy in the replies said that freeze said that "it starts at 100ms and ends at 200ms of the dodge" when freeze literally said in the video " it lasts 200ms ".
This community is really hopeless, when someone directly tells them how the game works and they still get the information wrong.
He said that it is 100 ms
Just starts at 100 ms of dodge and ends on 200 ms
@@KazumiyaEnthusiast No, he said " ... activates 100ms into the dodge and lasts 200ms ... "
You should go see a doctor, you might have some hearing problem.
@@teinmeizeshi5209 sorry, english isn't my native language and i haven't notice
@@KazumiyaEnthusiast Don't apologise, go and spread the correct information to others, who WILL get it wrong.
He just said english isnt his first language u dumb fuck 😂 this community is really hopeless