Great vid, Kev! As someone with a bad knee I will need a cadence sensor, so it would be great to see a new XP 3.0 step-thru with hydraulic brakes and a larger capacity battery while still keeping it affordable.
I imagine the 3.0 is coming out in the next couple months. I am waiting on that to purchase my first ebike. I’ve had a big ultra heavy scooter, but looking back I wish I had gotten a bike as you couldn’t utilize that scooter like it was a kick scooter, so the practicality of it was contingent on electricity no matter what.
Good review. The XP 2.0 and Xpremium are both great deals. You are right about hub motors working better for people who like to use throttle and mid drive for people who want a more natural pedaling feel. But another difference to keep in mind is mod potential. Doing power upgrades with hub motors is relatively inexpensive and they typically hold up well to a few extra amps. Putting a big amp controller on a mid drive is risky since it has a big gear reduction through a very small set of gears built into the mid drive. Easy to strip those gears out with extra amps. The Xpremium looks like a very nice ride at a great price but for many people I think the XP 2.0 will still be the better choice.
Thanks for the comparison. I thought the new mid-drive would be something I would like better, but it sounds like the hub motor is more of what I want.
I think I will just buy a 2nd battery for my XP2.0. I am not off-roading much these days, so the extra travel is not too important. $300 to double my current range. Everything else on my current 2.0 works just fine (brakes, shifter, light, etc.).
That’s what I did. I found it on Craigslist for $200 and settled on $175, never used in a sealed box. Scan your preferred sales sites, be patient and maybe score a similar deal.
Very informative and concise video.. Nicely scripted to cover the highest priority features and differences. I am an XP 1.0 and 2.0 owner with an eye on the XPremium. This video really helps.
I had the 1.0, 2.0 and now the Xpremium. My 1.0 I gave to a good friend it is still going strong. I love the Xpremium and especially the hydralic brakes
I really like his comparison. After watching your review of the Premium I thought it was the bike to buy but now, after watching this video, what strikes me is that the Premium weighs more, has less torque, and costs more. I am a rider. I pedal. But, I'm older and want a lot of help on the hills which means I want MORE TORQUE and less weight. I also like the folding fat tire bikes which makes finding a light bike kinda hard. Thanks again for the excellent comparison.
Great video! Can I cut an inch or two from the seat post to make the seat super low on the premium? My wife is only 4'10". Also, can I reverse the handlebar to make the arm reach shorter? Thanks.
I just ordered a white step-thru xp 2.0 for my wife. (I am a DIY'er (2 mid-drives, 1 front hub) and build my own batteries.) I also think the Xpremium is a wonderful bike. But in terms of performance/utility, aside from the better range (and the fact that I already have two mid-drive bikes (Cyclone 3000w, 52v, and BBS02 750w, 52v), I felt that the XP with a 2nd battery is better way to go beause: A) Weight: XPrem: 75lbs w/both,7 lb battery loaded, XP 2.0: 64 lbs with battery, Top speed: same, Range: with an extra $300 Aliexpress 14ah battery, the XP 2.0 should match the range of the XPrem,. People who choose folding bikes usually hope to load the bike into a vehicle - that means both lifting, as well as folded size dimensions). With the XPrem's weight with batteries removed (61lbs) versus batteryless XP2.0 weight (57 lbs), the XP is likely a little easier to lift and load. B) Hill Climb: Other Reviews show that the XP 2.0 climbs better than XPRem (which must climb hills with both PAS 5, full throttle, low gear, AND significant pedal effort (to activate the Torque sensor) to do the same climb that XP 2.0 does with less effort and battery usage. (Normally one would expect better hill climbing with a mid-drive, but with the 75 lb weight being pushed by a small 500w mid-drive motor power, the XPrem's hill climb mid-drive advantage has been lost. C) Price: XPrem= $1,800, XP 2.0 with extra $300 battery= $1,300). I plan to build my own packs (either 10.4ah for about $160, or 15ah for about $225, strap to back rack and connect (in parallel) so I will use both packs concurrently.
@@rwo6211 Yeah, for the reasons you stated, my choice to get an XP (3.0, in my case) was an easy one. I'm more than a little surprised that even with the considerable advantage of being able to make use of the gear reduction (torque multiplication) of the rear cluster, the XPremium can't beat the XP's up a hill. What the hell? And I really like the fact that, depending on the speed and pedal assist level, I can get the motor to kick in just by gently spinning the crank without having to apply any pressure. That's definitely for me! 😁 👍
This video help me make up my mind. Over the last few days I watched at least 50 different videos. Couldn't make my mind up between one of the Rad Power bands and Lectric XP 2.0 or XPremium. After watching this video a few times, I decided on the XPremium. It helped that I was able to go straight to Lectric website from this video... As of 6.30.2022 @11.15pm I ordered my XPREMIUM. Thanks for this video. Now can u tell me how long before I get my bike...LOL😀
I ordered an xpremium on 6/22 and lectric told me my bike won’t ship until the end of July. I live on the east coast so I Don’t know if that makes a difference or not.
New here (to the channel and to ebikes). I pulled the trigger on the xpremium on Monday ("ships in June"). I'm a senior but still want to pedal for exercise, and the 75lb weight shouldn't be a problem. My biggest issue (so far) is figuring out the handlebar real estate since I want to add a mirror and a phone mount. Is there room, or should I plan on getting a new handlebar or an extension? Nice video! I appreciate the commentary and especially the images!
Do NOT buy the Lectric mirror package. I bought one for my wife’s 2.0 and you cannot see around your shoulders. Buy a mirror that fits into the end of the hand grip. You will have to cut the end of the grip with a utility knife so the mirror slips into the handlebar tube. It is much better visibility and most of these mirrors give you a wider view similar to car mirrors.
@@KevCentral thank you! How has your 2.0 held up so far? Any tips or tricks you have that I should know ahead of time would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your videos 💯
@@goosty17 I had already had my mind set on the 2.0 for a few months, the premium just released right before I bought the 2.0 and I watched a few videos on it but in the end couldn’t justify spending $1799+ even for the mid drive motor and hydraulic breaks, in my opinion $1000 for everything you get out of the 2.0 is the best bang for your buck
@@patheticprepper4496 I have several MB's 2 &4 stroke. There a blast. If you don't ride stupid the cops don't mess with you. A kit is about 120 for a 2 stroke 200.00 for a 4 stroke.
I recently learned the XPremium ships with only one charger, since each battery must be charged independently, the 4 to 6 hour charge time is actually 8 to 12 hours
I’ve been asking everyone who did a TH-cam review to edit this out to minimize the confusion. I can’t tell you how many of these say two battery chargers. At some point Lectric must have run into supply chain issues and decided to leave the second one out.
Great review Kev. The truckrun motor specs from their website talks about torque at for their 48v 500w motors >100nm. Wonder how/when that high torque is achieved. Probably not at the low gears. On my priority current (which uses the same motor I think) I only see high power/torque at higher gear and speeds above 17mph.
Great review. Answered questions others have not like physical effort required in relation to performance and can it run with only one battery. 👍 thanks 😊
Hey Kev. Thanks for your great reviews! I am a proud XP 1.0 owner thanks, in part, to your videos... I've already ordered my XPremium and I can't wait! The range extension alone is what sold it for me. One stupid question... I'm new to mid-drive motors - since the motor runs the chainring, does this "force" the pedals to move even while using the throttle only??
Kev, great review. Which bike do you think would be a better choice for my wife, who doesn't know how to shift her gears real good on her bicycle. She's never had an e-bike before but is willing to try.
Moreso that an XP 2.0 since there a little effort to pedal so the motor will kick in. Throttle only is possible, but the bike needs to be in gear 1-4 to start out due to the mid-drive torque
I had a couple of other questions. 1. Which one does better on an incline hill? 2. I am asumming with two batteries that the XPremium has a much farther range? 3.Wich bike is better for a tall 6'2" rider with 34' inseam?
2.0 has a higher potential seat height at over 42” vs the max height on the XPremium being ~38.5. In my experience the 2.0 has more throttle punch on hills, but the XPremium is better at pedal assist on hills
Question is just thought of. Maybe you can ask the guys at Lectric. I'm a big believer in charging to 80% to prolong battery life. On my current ebike, I can do this easily. I can see the battery voltage and and I know how much my charger inputs per hour. So I just use a timer. Now, you can use this method on the XP 2.0 since you are able to see the voltage. But on the XPremium, how will this work since there are 2 batteries that may have 2 very different voltage levels? Isn't the screen only set up to display voltage for one battery? How can I know the voltage of each individual battery to then be able to charge by timer?
hey, do you have a Costco where you live? Today i saw a Northrock XCF fatbike for 650$CAD. Comes with 1x10 deore Derailler, tektro mechanical disk brakes. Curious to see you try it.
I'm pretty pleased with my xp 2.0 but seriously considering upgrading to a premium esp. as I am quite tall and feel like this longer bigger big would fit me better
I think many XP 1 and 2 owners would be disappointed with the XPremium other than its battery range which is as far as I know a first in the eBike market. Mid drives require pedaling and shifting (both up shifting and down shifting) pretty much all the time. I ride with a guy who has a mid drive eBike (I'm on my XP)...and he is constantly shifting that thing while I'm just in one gear practically all the time and letting the motor do its thing (come to think of it I don't think I've shifted my bike in 2 years). I actually LIKE the kick in the pants feeling the hub drive gives...lets me know it can get me out of a jam when I need it. No, from riding with guys with mid drives...Nope, not for me ever.
I am a proud owner of the XP 1 and 2 and I am not disappointed. Hub drive motors are becoming a thing of the past. The only bad thing about a mid-drive system is if you break a chain you can not use the throttle to get you home but a hub drive can. In my years of using pedal bicycles, I never broke the chain with proper maintenance. I had both hub and mid-drive they both have their advantages and disadvantages. If I want. If you really want that kick in the pants feeling you could always get an electric scooter or motorcycle.
I watch all your videos, this style of ebike is not my thing. Off topic a bit, will you be doing a review on the new ADDMOTOR City Pro E53? Have they reached out to you? You do great reviews, hope they send you one soon.
Thanks. I get dozens of requests everyday, and I have seen them from Addmotor before, but not since some of their latest models have come out. Their M60 R7 peaks my interest
i do like the torque of my xp 2 and though when the motor jerks into power when i stop pedaling and then start again is a tad annoying, having the throttle to get it moving along with out having to pedal hard, especially when i forget to change gears, has been quite nice. though i have thought about getting the premium, there are positives and negatives to both. so i want to thank you for this video in explaining the differences. one test that i didn't quite hear, maybe the answer is the 2 is better for throttle only acceleration and riding, but.... if you want to get up and going, which is smoother, throttle only wise? i am pretty sure the premium is going to be better at being smooth taking off when pedaling, assuming it's in the right gear. while the 2 will be consistent in it's take off, the premium will vary based on what gear you have it in. so perhaps, in a test ride, you could show or tell, which one has the better acceleration? maybe give a general rule about what gear you should start out in, perhaps show what the riding experience is when you have it in each gear, well maybe not in the 12 tooth, but some ideas for something to show in your next riding experience video.
Kev I called Lectric and they told me the Premium produces 120 n/m of torque. Is this true? I bought my wife the XP 2.0 and size I am a bigger man I find going up hills I need to pedal much more than she does. I don’t mind pedaling but I wanted a little more power going up hill because of my size. I did preorder the Premium expecting it to take me up hills a little easier. In your opinion did I make the right decision? I am a shifter so that does not bother me. Thanks for your response.
wana get the primi and take the hub motor and battery off my xp and add em to the primi. while i cant afford any new ebike atm ive never ridden a mid drive. do you think having a hub and a mid drive would work well together?
I want to know about noise. my xp 2.0 has noise breaks, and the motor has a fair amount of noise as well. Also are the breaks on the premium noticeably better? I have not had the best experience with xp 2.0 breaks.
Noisy brakes are a common problem on many direct to consumer eBikes. They can be dirty from shipping and/or they can wear faster due to the higher speeds of eBikes. What noise is your motor making?
I was the first one to pre-order the X-Premium. I upgraded my XP 2.0 order when the pre-order for the new X-Premium was first announced! I upgraded and paid in full for the X-Premium black (with accessories). Waited since April, they said it will be delivered early June. Waited and waited, then before June, they informed me that it will be delayed till July. Mid July came and there's still no information which is frustrating. 23rd of July, the bike came but it's a wrong color!!! They sent me white! After waiting for many months, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY SENT ME THE WRONG COLOR! Now, I don't know how looong will I wait again to have it replaced with the right one!!! What's happening LECTRIC???!!!
Dual batteries: Do you get the combined output from both batteries while in use “1000 (500w x 2) watts with total output peak watts 1600 (800 x 2)? Thanks in advance :)
I had another thought come to mind. Am I correct that, should the chain break while you're riding, the 2.0 with its hub motor can be ridden home using the throttle, while the XPremium, being a mid drive, would be essentially inoperable?
@@KevCentral Thanks. I've always stuck to hub motors for this reason. I would not want to be out in the middle of a ride with a broken chain. No AAA for bikes out there! 😁
For some reason Kev has not made a comparison between the hub motor ebikes vs mid-drive here. With maybe up to 5x the power going through the same quality drivetrain as far as I can tell the drivetrain will not last as long and it is much more likely to break chains as well. The bushings/pins will wear down much faster and the chain will stretch much quicker and even though we don't have exact data on this yet it goes without saying that a motor delivering its power through the chain, freewheel and crankset is going to wear at a far higher rate compared to a motor system where it works independently of the drivetrain and therefore massively extends drivetrain life. It's probably the biggest advantage of the hub motor over the mid-drive motor as well as the hub motors mechanical simplicity especially direct drive hub motors. I personally think this is the no.1 comparison to be made between the two bikes. It's a powerful mid-drive motor and its a baseline quality drivetrain. I think anyone buying this new ebike should keep a chain wear tool to hand and keep an eye on chain wear. When it wears out maybe consider a higher grade and quality chain. While there are ebike specific chains I don't think they are available in 7 speed as typically 7 speed nowadays is a entry level component and you wouldn't normally get a powerful mid-drive motor matched to a freewheel based drivetrain. While 7 speed chains have thicker plates than higher speed chains I assume the pins and bushings are only going to be a little bit stronger. Here in the UK we have no legal route to ebikes over 250W and so mid-drive has a hill climbing advantage but in the US or at least some US states you have access to high wattage hub motors for decent hill climbing. Personally I feel for ebikes mainly used on the road clocking up high miles a high power hub motor is a no brainer. Sadly not something I personally can choose. As ever though there are many variables; weight of rider, number of hills, how the bike is ridden, how it is maintained etc that will vary drivetrain wear especially on a mid-drive ebike. No reason you can't have a torque sensor with hub motors either. You can still have the same feel as mid-drive but with the more reliable hub motor with massively extended drivetrain life too. It's just a sort of strain gauge that can be fitted in a bottom bracket.
@@twloughlin Do you know anyone who has broken a chain on a mid drive? Several of my friends with hub drives have had problems with chains being thrown off. I assume the fix is to carry a spare chain for a few bucks.
@@KevCentral I’d like them to add in a second battery, and a street tire option. I would say hydraulic brakes too, but that is a safety issue which should not even be an option when moving at that weight of a bike.
Also a front motor, or at least a 750watt rear motor. The upgrade is long overdue. Second battery, dual motor, or 750 rear, and more appropriate smooth street tire.
Kevin, What would be the better bike for me. I am 6' 4" and about 250 lbs. What bike can the seat go high enough, so I ride it correctly so my knees are not compromised.
Suspension is too splashy and soft on both. XPremium’s mid drive is better for hill climb but sacrificing that off the line torque. The range is appealing but one could buy and carry an extra battery for the XP 2.0 They need to upgrade the headlight badly. Yes the headlight energy chews into the overall range of the bike, but that’s the price of safety and efficiency of ride. Also there needs to be a slight better cable shielding, the current wrap looks cheap
@@KevCentral yes i plan to us a motor cut off, planning to use the zoom parts if i can . freewheel cassette does get confusing. I'm in the WV and need a much lower 1st gear to help with climbs.
their customer service is exemplary: i bought an xp 1.0 that had shipping damage (hullo fedex??) and they were awesome. i used the affiliate link to buy an xpremium today after watching your vid. i plan on selling off my rad rover and xp 1.0 to cover most of the new bike. one bike two chargers. what?? i wish they could have just done one charger, but for a mid drive at this price with cargo (which i really like) you can't have everything.
@@KevCentral i've had a couple of calls with them (thank you noah!) since the new bike was announced, but no skin off my nuts to use your affiliate link, so why not? i appreciate what you do, and it DOES inform my decision.
@@KevCentral what cause relatively less accidents. A traditional bicycle or electric. Also the intensity of the accidents matter. Aren't traditional bikes supposed to be safer? You can make a video on this topic good content 😊
I start to worry what if the premium cannot climb long distance uphill better than the 2.0. I’m not experienced with ebike; can anyone help answer my concern?
Beware, I ordered mine back on May 8th. Still hasn't even shipped. They got my money 💰 for over two month. After a half a dozen emails, they still can't give me a shipping date. Time or even were I am in line. Very upset with lectric right now. 😡
Where did you get the specs? I know from experience on both bikes the 2.0 has more odd the line punch and can climb steep hills slightly faster using throttle only (not recommended for motor life) - both of which are displays of useable torque. That’s not to say the XPremium is a slouch; it performs admirable well. It’s just that the power is more nuanced and less all at once torque monster like the 2.0 and 1.0
@@KevCentral My understanding is the new bike has 140nm of torque and the 2.0 60nm searching the internet and when a few live streams happened when the new bike was announced...
I haven’t seen official torque specs on the TruckRun. If it is more then they have it programmed at a reduced output, because the 2.0 has more punch when comparing side-by-side
@@KevCentral They may have a “slow start” mode on the mid-mount motor to avoid jerky starts. You might find a setting for it you can change if you like the “full on at start” feeling.
Being a senior, I'm hoping and waiting til Lectric comes out with a premium, dual battery bike with cadence. We seniors buy the most bikes and we want the easy pedaling that a cadence bike provides. Pedal harder ??? Why ? What senior in his right mind would buy into that concept ? We also don't mind paying the few extra bucks for all the QUALITY features. Give us cadence !
I am not a senior, but I agree as you can easily turn off the electricity, or peddle stronger with cadence. However with torque sensing you have no choice but to peddle harder, or move slow, so it is not the best option if you want to cruise at higher speeds without exerting too much strength in your legs on a continuous basis.
This senior appreciates the exercise value of a torque sensor. I get a better workout with a torque sensor. BTW, if you want dual battery and cadence, buy a 2.0 and an extra battery. Toss the extra battery in a pannier or topcase. Problem solved.
@@twloughlin That would be the go to move, but the 2.0 has been around about a year already. I believe very soon the 3.0 will be announced, and that bike can have that already installed as well as some other upgrades.
@@buffalomind6838 If so, that would be fabulous. However, I do not think, as you do, that a 3.0 is in the works any time soon. I am not sure why you believe that's true, but given supply chain issues, design time lines, and all that goes into getting an ebike onto the market, and given that they've just released two new models within two weeks of each other, I think a 3.0 is not realistic. Anything they might have wanted in a 3.0 I think has gone into the XPremium design. Perhaps you'll share with us why you think a 3.0 is on its way shortly.
@@twloughlin The CEO has mentioned in interviews that the Premium is not the new version of the XP, but a separate one along side. And the Lite is an even more different bike on its own lane. As you mentioned 2 new bikes came out within days with everything that’s been going on means pretty much nothing for Lectric as they are top dogs, and many would say the top dog in there space of bikes, so they get top priority which means they are not only experienced in the industry in knowing what to do to not have the delays they had before, but can also dictate what they want at a certain price, because there brand can pull in the numbers=cash for the suppliers.
As a 6' 3" 280 pound 70 year old do you think the XPremium is a suitable first ebike? I used to ride to work almost year round but that was 10 years and 30 pounds ago. there are a number of 8% grades in the area I live now and that has stopped me from riding as much as I used to.
For the money...the 3.0 cannot be beaten. A lot of bells and whistles for $1600 (on sale now). I have looked around for quite some time for a mid drive e bike. Nothing else comes close to the 3.0 in value.
I don't think you covered this in the video, but can you compare the hill climbing ability between the 2 bikes? I know that you already said that the XP 2.0 feels punchier than the XPremium. I assume that's based on level ground.
The mid drive motors do well on hills since they get to take advantage of the bikes gearing to help keep motor rpm up as you shift into lower gears when you climb hills. The hub motors can get dragged down to very low rpm on hills. So with a mid drive and hub motor of equal wattage the mid drive gets the advantage on long hills.
@@jimmyjames8736 I understand the theoretical benefits/disadvantages between mid drives and hub motors. I'd like to hear Kevin's personal perception of the differences between the bikes after doing tests of each bike first hand.
@@dtape Gotcha. Like you, I will also be looking forward to seeing some more of the Xpremium comparisons that will be coming out. I think the ideal is to have both types if you can lol.
No doubt this is an amazing value but the micromanaging required on the shifting not to wear the drive train out makes this not a good option for people new to eBikes. Looking forward to peoples' impressions in a few months. I ended up getting a 2.0 from a lady who only rode it for 3 miles (!).
Micromanaging? Basically, just downshift when coming to a stop and don't go everywhere in the highest gear. If you don't want to shift at all, then stay in 3 or 4?
Yes. Technically, it is thinner when folded. The reality is with the floppy wheel it opens up to take more space. The XPremium front wheel tucks nicely beside the rear wheel and stays in place. Edit. A bungee or putting the front wheel side towards a wall or corner would alleviate the issue and make the 2.0 more compact when folded.
I just keep missing the cutoffs.. got the 1.0 for wife then xp2 cam out a month later.. being tall and old, I want an xp premium [brakes, its bigger, and more battery ] with cadence not torque. I am aure they will come out a month later with that. Seems like they may have lost touch with their demographic alittle, should at least been a 750watt mid drive to apeez us elderly.. or if aimed at the " enthusist cyclist pedal freaks" and with just ONE 14 amp battery.. but a SECOND, as OPTIONAL. Depending on [Weight saving priority OR range priority] . I may cancel my order and hope they figure it out. 😬 sad.. all compies lose sight when they get bigger.. but other manufacturers are starting to catch on! . I bet a 2.0 with 14 amp has same distance as heavier premum with 2 tens! . But Keep the 4 inch.. what good is a fat tire bike at a skinny 3 inches? 4" is a size for a reason.. try running on snow or sand with a 3.
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Sure are ugly bikes but I guess there are folks that just don't care about looks so have fun but I do care cuz I have to look at it daily and these look like old folks bikes
That’s pretty much the reason why I’m getting the Luna eclipse folding bike check it out it has a drive belt too but if u get this bike u can just change the handle bars to bmx handle bar
No brainer for me. Mid drive with 2 batteries is a winner. Great video.
Great vid, Kev! As someone with a bad knee I will need a cadence sensor, so it would be great to see a new XP 3.0 step-thru with hydraulic brakes and a larger capacity battery while still keeping it affordable.
I imagine the 3.0 is coming out in the next couple months. I am waiting on that to purchase my first ebike. I’ve had a big ultra heavy scooter, but looking back I wish I had gotten a bike as you couldn’t utilize that scooter like it was a kick scooter, so the practicality of it was contingent on electricity no matter what.
I haven’t heard anything about a 3.0. That’s not saying I won’t be surprised, but they haven’t mentioned any other new models to me.
Love anything ebike..👍 you are really getting this channel happening..
Good review. The XP 2.0 and Xpremium are both great deals. You are right about hub motors working better for people who like to use throttle and mid drive for people who want a more natural pedaling feel. But another difference to keep in mind is mod potential. Doing power upgrades with hub motors is relatively inexpensive and they typically hold up well to a few extra amps. Putting a big amp controller on a mid drive is risky since it has a big gear reduction through a very small set of gears built into the mid drive. Easy to strip those gears out with extra amps. The Xpremium looks like a very nice ride at a great price but for many people I think the XP 2.0 will still be the better choice.
Thanks for the comparison. I thought the new mid-drive would be something I would like better, but it sounds like the hub motor is more of what I want.
I think I will just buy a 2nd battery for my XP2.0. I am not off-roading much these days, so the extra travel is not too important. $300 to double my current range. Everything else on my current 2.0 works just fine (brakes, shifter, light, etc.).
That’s what I did. I found it on Craigslist for $200 and settled on $175, never used in a sealed box. Scan your preferred sales sites, be patient and maybe score a similar deal.
Great video. Can't wait for the range numbers and follow up videos.
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Very informative and concise video.. Nicely scripted to cover the highest priority features and differences. I am an XP 1.0 and 2.0 owner with an eye on the XPremium. This video really helps.
I had the 1.0, 2.0 and now the Xpremium. My 1.0 I gave to a good friend it is still going strong. I love the Xpremium and especially the hydralic brakes
Ive got the 2.0 and love it. I’m going to get one for my wife and I think it will be the lite. We are in our 60’s with some knee issues.
Just use the throttle for starts and you should have a practically effortless ride with the lite. Congrats (on both)!
Great review, very informative. Thank you.
Awesome review between the two I was looking to buy the premium version from the 1.0 you was a great help....
I really like his comparison. After watching your review of the Premium I thought it was the bike to buy but now, after watching this video, what strikes me is that the Premium weighs more, has less torque, and costs more. I am a rider. I pedal. But, I'm older and want a lot of help on the hills which means I want MORE TORQUE and less weight. I also like the folding fat tire bikes which makes finding a light bike kinda hard. Thanks again for the excellent comparison.
An electric moped has a lot of torque. The problem with more torque means a bigger battery to supply the torque and it will be way heavier
Great video! Can I cut an inch or two from the seat post to make the seat super low on the premium? My wife is only 4'10". Also, can I reverse the handlebar to make the arm reach shorter? Thanks.
For me, the range even when using just the throttle AND the fact it has 2 batteries as standard.
I just ordered a white step-thru xp 2.0 for my wife. (I am a DIY'er (2 mid-drives, 1 front hub) and build my own batteries.) I also think the Xpremium is a wonderful bike. But in terms of performance/utility, aside from the better range (and the fact that I already have two mid-drive bikes (Cyclone 3000w, 52v, and BBS02 750w, 52v), I felt that the XP with a 2nd battery is better way to go beause:
A) Weight: XPrem: 75lbs w/both,7 lb battery loaded, XP 2.0: 64 lbs with battery, Top speed: same, Range: with an extra $300 Aliexpress 14ah battery, the XP 2.0 should match the range of the XPrem,. People who choose folding bikes usually hope to load the bike into a vehicle - that means both lifting, as well as folded size dimensions). With the XPrem's weight with batteries removed (61lbs) versus batteryless XP2.0 weight (57 lbs), the XP is likely a little easier to lift and load.
B) Hill Climb: Other Reviews show that the XP 2.0 climbs better than XPRem (which must climb hills with both PAS 5, full throttle, low gear, AND significant pedal effort (to activate the Torque sensor) to do the same climb that XP 2.0 does with less effort and battery usage. (Normally one would expect better hill climbing with a mid-drive, but with the 75 lb weight being pushed by a small 500w mid-drive motor power, the XPrem's hill climb mid-drive advantage has been lost.
C) Price: XPrem= $1,800, XP 2.0 with extra $300 battery= $1,300).
I plan to build my own packs (either 10.4ah for about $160, or 15ah for about $225, strap to back rack and connect (in parallel) so I will use both packs concurrently.
@@rwo6211 Yeah, for the reasons you stated, my choice to get an XP (3.0, in my case) was an easy one.
I'm more than a little surprised that even with the considerable advantage of being able to make use of the gear reduction (torque multiplication) of the rear cluster, the XPremium can't beat the XP's up a hill. What the hell?
And I really like the fact that, depending on the speed and pedal assist level, I can get the motor to kick in just by gently spinning the crank without having to apply any pressure. That's definitely for me! 😁 👍
Nice comparison. Thanks.
This video help me make up my mind. Over the last few days I watched at least 50 different videos. Couldn't make my mind up between one of the Rad Power bands and Lectric XP 2.0 or XPremium. After watching this video a few times, I decided on the XPremium. It helped that I was able to go straight to Lectric website from this video...
As of 6.30.2022 @11.15pm I ordered my XPREMIUM. Thanks for this video. Now can u tell me how long before I get my bike...LOL😀
I ordered an xpremium on 6/22 and lectric told me my bike won’t ship until the end of July. I live on the east coast so I Don’t know if that makes a difference or not.
New here (to the channel and to ebikes). I pulled the trigger on the xpremium on Monday ("ships in June"). I'm a senior but still want to pedal for exercise, and the 75lb weight shouldn't be a problem. My biggest issue (so far) is figuring out the handlebar real estate since I want to add a mirror and a phone mount. Is there room, or should I plan on getting a new handlebar or an extension? Nice video! I appreciate the commentary and especially the images!
Congrats on the new (coming) bike! Lectric actually sells a mirror kit that works with all their bikes
Do NOT buy the Lectric mirror package. I bought one for my wife’s 2.0 and you cannot see around your shoulders. Buy a mirror that fits into the end of the hand grip. You will have to cut the end of the grip with a utility knife so the mirror slips into the handlebar tube. It is much better visibility and most of these mirrors give you a wider view similar to car mirrors.
I put on a longer handle bar length from the original which is about 24 1/2 in to 26 1/2 inch, more room t add things
@@rolandgadue4351 would you mind telling me where you got the longer handle bar? I’m interested in doing that as well.
@@georgeharvey3062 I got them on Amazon. Check out Donald Mayes on TH-cam he upgraded his also.
Just ordered my lectric xp 2.0 st 🙌🏻 hoping to receive it in good shape and start enjoying
Congrats!
@@KevCentral thank you! How has your 2.0 held up so far? Any tips or tricks you have that I should know ahead of time would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your videos 💯
@@dylankillin318 Why did you pick the 2.0 instead of premium?
@@goosty17 I had already had my mind set on the 2.0 for a few months, the premium just released right before I bought the 2.0 and I watched a few videos on it but in the end couldn’t justify spending $1799+ even for the mid drive motor and hydraulic breaks, in my opinion $1000 for everything you get out of the 2.0 is the best bang for your buck
Hi Kev, My 2.0 XP is all I need. The X Premium looks like a win for Lectric.
Even at the very highest pedal assist, your still looking at at least 50 miles vs about 15 miles on the XP 2.0.
@@Rokabur I use my bikes for enjoyment. I have a Schwinn point beach i put a 79cc 4 stroke motor kit on. 130 to 150 mpg. The Spandex crew hates me.
@@Rokabur is that true?
@@patheticprepper4496 I have several MB's 2 &4 stroke. There a blast. If you don't ride stupid the cops don't mess with you. A kit is about 120 for a 2 stroke 200.00 for a 4 stroke.
Thanks Kev!!!
I recently learned the XPremium ships with only one charger, since each battery must be charged independently, the 4 to 6 hour charge time is actually 8 to 12 hours
I confirmed that today. You are correct
Deal breaker
I ordered a spare charger on Amazon
I’ve been asking everyone who did a TH-cam review to edit this out to minimize the confusion. I can’t tell you how many of these say two battery chargers. At some point Lectric must have run into supply chain issues and decided to leave the second one out.
No it doesn’t. Did you watch the video? My buddy has the premium and he got two chargers.
Love my XP 2!
Great review Kev. The truckrun motor specs from their website talks about torque at for their 48v 500w motors >100nm. Wonder how/when that high torque is achieved. Probably not at the low gears. On my priority current (which uses the same motor I think) I only see high power/torque at higher gear and speeds above 17mph.
I don’t understand why he said the hub drive has more torque than the mid drive.
XPREMIUM vs XP 2.0 - Which has more POWER? Lectric eBike Shootout
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Thanks for the helpful info.
Great review. Answered questions others have not like physical effort required in relation to performance and can it run with only one battery. 👍 thanks 😊
Another great review Kev however please tell us how far will the new XP Lectric go with both batteries installed and its top speed please
28mph. Range varies depending on pas level
How much RPM on the foot pedal to get 28mph. Can an average rider achieve that RPM. Thanks for added info.
Do a range test
Hey Kev. Thanks for your great reviews! I am a proud XP 1.0 owner thanks, in part, to your videos... I've already ordered my XPremium and I can't wait! The range extension alone is what sold it for me. One stupid question... I'm new to mid-drive motors - since the motor runs the chainring, does this "force" the pedals to move even while using the throttle only??
Nope. Pedals stay still when using throttle
Edit: and congrats!
Kev, great review. Which bike do you think would be a better choice for my wife, who doesn't know how to shift her gears real good on her bicycle. She's never had an e-bike before but is willing to try.
The Lite would be my first thought since it doesn’t have gears
@@KevCentral If Ibought the mid drive Premium would I be shifting up and down alot more because it's a mid drive motor?
Moreso that an XP 2.0 since there a little effort to pedal so the motor will kick in. Throttle only is possible, but the bike needs to be in gear 1-4 to start out due to the mid-drive torque
@@KevCentral thank you, I will probably use mostly throttle.
Is the weight of the premium that you mentioned in the video include both batteries? If I take out both batteries what would the bike weigh
Kev, do you think they may come out with a step thru lite model as well, or you don't think it's really needed?
I don’t know. Anything is possible, but that might add to the weight since step-thru tubes are longer
I had a couple of other questions. 1. Which one does better on an incline hill? 2. I am asumming with two batteries that the XPremium has a much farther range? 3.Wich bike is better for a tall 6'2" rider with 34' inseam?
2.0 has a higher potential seat height at over 42” vs the max height on the XPremium being ~38.5. In my experience the 2.0 has more throttle punch on hills, but the XPremium is better at pedal assist on hills
@@KevCentral Great response but I am not sure that will help me decide.
Thank you 👍
Am I correct that the XPremium also adds different handle grip covers, the upgraded headlight and a rear brake light?
Yes. It has faux-leather grips, the Lectric Premium headlight and the tail light flashes when braking
Question is just thought of. Maybe you can ask the guys at Lectric. I'm a big believer in charging to 80% to prolong battery life. On my current ebike, I can do this easily. I can see the battery voltage and and I know how much my charger inputs per hour. So I just use a timer.
Now, you can use this method on the XP 2.0 since you are able to see the voltage. But on the XPremium, how will this work since there are 2 batteries that may have 2 very different voltage levels? Isn't the screen only set up to display voltage for one battery?
How can I know the voltage of each individual battery to then be able to charge by timer?
hey, do you have a Costco where you live? Today i saw a Northrock XCF fatbike for 650$CAD. Comes with 1x10 deore Derailler, tektro mechanical disk brakes. Curious to see you try it.
We do not ☹️
I'm pretty pleased with my xp 2.0 but seriously considering upgrading to a premium esp. as I am quite tall and feel like this longer bigger big would fit me better
If you do let me know how you like it
I think many XP 1 and 2 owners would be disappointed with the XPremium other than its battery range which is as far as I know a first in the eBike market. Mid drives require pedaling and shifting (both up shifting and down shifting) pretty much all the time. I ride with a guy who has a mid drive eBike (I'm on my XP)...and he is constantly shifting that thing while I'm just in one gear practically all the time and letting the motor do its thing (come to think of it I don't think I've shifted my bike in 2 years). I actually LIKE the kick in the pants feeling the hub drive gives...lets me know it can get me out of a jam when I need it. No, from riding with guys with mid drives...Nope, not for me ever.
Thanks for sharing
I am a proud owner of the XP 1 and 2 and I am not disappointed. Hub drive motors are becoming a thing of the past. The only bad thing about a mid-drive system is if you break a chain you can not use the throttle to get you home but a hub drive can. In my years of using pedal bicycles, I never broke the chain with proper maintenance. I had both hub and mid-drive they both have their advantages and disadvantages. If I want. If you really want that kick in the pants feeling you could always get an electric scooter or motorcycle.
Please post the wheelbase length of the Xpremium
I can't see either of these for sale in the UK...any links ?
I watch all your videos, this style of ebike is not my thing. Off topic a bit, will you be doing a review on the new ADDMOTOR City Pro E53? Have they reached out to you? You do great reviews, hope they send you one soon.
Thanks. I get dozens of requests everyday, and I have seen them from Addmotor before, but not since some of their latest models have come out. Their M60 R7 peaks my interest
@@KevCentral Mine as well. I havnt seen one review on any of their new models yet. I am liking their new 2.0 20ah batteries.
i do like the torque of my xp 2 and though when the motor jerks into power when i stop pedaling and then start again is a tad annoying, having the throttle to get it moving along with out having to pedal hard, especially when i forget to change gears, has been quite nice.
though i have thought about getting the premium, there are positives and negatives to both. so i want to thank you for this video in explaining the differences.
one test that i didn't quite hear, maybe the answer is the 2 is better for throttle only acceleration and riding, but.... if you want to get up and going, which is smoother, throttle only wise? i am pretty sure the premium is going to be better at being smooth taking off when pedaling, assuming it's in the right gear. while the 2 will be consistent in it's take off, the premium will vary based on what gear you have it in.
so perhaps, in a test ride, you could show or tell, which one has the better acceleration? maybe give a general rule about what gear you should start out in, perhaps show what the riding experience is when you have it in each gear, well maybe not in the 12 tooth, but some ideas for something to show in your next riding experience video.
2.0 would thump it on acceleration. Plus, i have my 2.0 set to provide maximum off the line performance 😁
Kev I called Lectric and they told me the Premium produces 120 n/m of torque. Is this true? I bought my wife the XP 2.0 and size I am a bigger man I find going up hills I need to pedal much more than she does. I don’t mind pedaling but I wanted a little more power going up hill because of my size. I did preorder the Premium expecting it to take me up hills a little easier. In your opinion did I make the right decision? I am a shifter so that does not bother me. Thanks for your response.
Could the XP Premium fit into the typical 40 gallon tote, like the XP 2.0 does? A lot of RV and SUV owners use a tote in lieu of a bike rack.
wana get the primi and take the hub motor and battery off my xp and add em to the primi. while i cant afford any new ebike atm ive never ridden a mid drive. do you think having a hub and a mid drive would work well together?
I want to know about noise. my xp 2.0 has noise breaks, and the motor has a fair amount of noise as well. Also are the breaks on the premium noticeably better? I have not had the best experience with xp 2.0 breaks.
Noisy brakes are a common problem on many direct to consumer eBikes. They can be dirty from shipping and/or they can wear faster due to the higher speeds of eBikes. What noise is your motor making?
I was the first one to pre-order the X-Premium. I upgraded my XP 2.0 order when the pre-order for the new X-Premium was first announced! I upgraded and paid in full for the X-Premium black (with accessories).
Waited since April, they said it will be delivered early June. Waited and waited, then before June, they informed me that it will be delayed till July. Mid July came and there's still no information which is frustrating.
23rd of July, the bike came but it's a wrong color!!! They sent me white!
After waiting for many months,
I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY SENT ME THE WRONG COLOR!
Now, I don't know how looong will I wait again to have it replaced with the right one!!!
What's happening LECTRIC???!!!
Wouldn't removing the second battery on the XPremium lower the weight to almost 2.0 weight?
It would still be 4-5 lbs heavier
@@KevCentral That's pretty close.
I look forward to your range test. Between the torque sensor and 2 batteries it'll be a long ride;)
Dual batteries: Do you get the combined output from both batteries while in use “1000 (500w x 2) watts with total output peak watts 1600 (800 x 2)?
Thanks in advance :)
I had another thought come to mind. Am I correct that, should the chain break while you're riding, the 2.0 with its hub motor can be ridden home using the throttle, while the XPremium, being a mid drive, would be essentially inoperable?
That is correct. Hub driven bikes don’t actually have to have a chain to work 😁
@@KevCentral Thanks. I've always stuck to hub motors for this reason. I would not want to be out in the middle of a ride with a broken chain. No AAA for bikes out there! 😁
For some reason Kev has not made a comparison between the hub motor ebikes vs mid-drive here. With maybe up to 5x the power going through the same quality drivetrain as far as I can tell the drivetrain will not last as long and it is much more likely to break chains as well. The bushings/pins will wear down much faster and the chain will stretch much quicker and even though we don't have exact data on this yet it goes without saying that a motor delivering its power through the chain, freewheel and crankset is going to wear at a far higher rate compared to a motor system where it works independently of the drivetrain and therefore massively extends drivetrain life. It's probably the biggest advantage of the hub motor over the mid-drive motor as well as the hub motors mechanical simplicity especially direct drive hub motors. I personally think this is the no.1 comparison to be made between the two bikes. It's a powerful mid-drive motor and its a baseline quality drivetrain. I think anyone buying this new ebike should keep a chain wear tool to hand and keep an eye on chain wear. When it wears out maybe consider a higher grade and quality chain. While there are ebike specific chains I don't think they are available in 7 speed as typically 7 speed nowadays is a entry level component and you wouldn't normally get a powerful mid-drive motor matched to a freewheel based drivetrain. While 7 speed chains have thicker plates than higher speed chains I assume the pins and bushings are only going to be a little bit stronger.
Here in the UK we have no legal route to ebikes over 250W and so mid-drive has a hill climbing advantage but in the US or at least some US states you have access to high wattage hub motors for decent hill climbing. Personally I feel for ebikes mainly used on the road clocking up high miles a high power hub motor is a no brainer. Sadly not something I personally can choose. As ever though there are many variables; weight of rider, number of hills, how the bike is ridden, how it is maintained etc that will vary drivetrain wear especially on a mid-drive ebike. No reason you can't have a torque sensor with hub motors either. You can still have the same feel as mid-drive but with the more reliable hub motor with massively extended drivetrain life too. It's just a sort of strain gauge that can be fitted in a bottom bracket.
@@bonzobanana1 Thanks for all this information. "KevCentral - the UK version"
@@twloughlin Do you know anyone who has broken a chain on a mid drive? Several of my friends with hub drives have had problems with chains being thrown off. I assume the fix is to carry a spare chain for a few bucks.
Kev, do you have any information on when the XP 3.0 will be available?
I haven’t heard anything about a 3.0
@@KevCentral I’d like them to add in a second battery, and a street tire option.
I would say hydraulic brakes too, but that is a safety issue which should not even be an option when moving at that weight of a bike.
Also a front motor, or at least a 750watt rear motor. The upgrade is long overdue. Second battery, dual motor, or 750 rear, and more appropriate smooth street tire.
Kevin, What would be the better bike for me. I am 6' 4" and about 250 lbs. What bike can the seat go high enough, so I ride it correctly so my knees are not compromised.
I am 6’5”, and ordered the XP 2.0 last week. Seat height can reach 42”, and the frame is 2” taller than the Lite or Step Through
Suspension is too splashy and soft on both. XPremium’s mid drive is better for hill climb but sacrificing that off the line torque. The range is appealing but one could buy and carry an extra battery for the XP 2.0
They need to upgrade the headlight badly. Yes the headlight energy chews into the overall range of the bike, but that’s the price of safety and efficiency of ride. Also there needs to be a slight better cable shielding, the current wrap looks cheap
I'm planning to upgrade my 2.0 to hydraulic disc brakes and the premium type cassette
Cool. Are you going to use hydraulic brakes with a motor cutoff switch? Note that the rear gearing is a freewheel and not a cassette.
@@KevCentral yes i plan to us a motor cut off, planning to use the zoom parts if i can . freewheel cassette does get confusing. I'm in the WV and need a much lower 1st gear to help with climbs.
Megarange freewheel with help with that. I’m curious about the cut off switch. If you manage to find a setup that can work let me know
@@KevCentral i will keep you in the loop.
12:00 Kev... get yourself a wall plate my friend. 😅
Lol. It’s a work in progress
their customer service is exemplary: i bought an xp 1.0 that had shipping damage (hullo fedex??) and they were awesome. i used the affiliate link to buy an xpremium today after watching your vid. i plan on selling off my rad rover and xp 1.0 to cover most of the new bike. one bike two chargers. what?? i wish they could have just done one charger, but for a mid drive at this price with cargo (which i really like) you can't have everything.
Thanks and congrats on the new bike! I’ve discovered another surprise with the XPremium. Vid coming in the next 4-days
@@KevCentral i've had a couple of calls with them (thank you noah!) since the new bike was announced, but no skin off my nuts to use your affiliate link, so why not? i appreciate what you do, and it DOES inform my decision.
Can you pedal the bike without the batteries?
Yes, but they are heavy
@@KevCentral oh okay was just wondering if someone could steal it without the batteries.
Hey Kev... Are electric bikes safe
Define ‘safe’ in relation to what concerns you have for eBikes.
@@KevCentral what cause relatively less accidents. A traditional bicycle or electric. Also the intensity of the accidents matter. Aren't traditional bikes supposed to be safer?
You can make a video on this topic good content 😊
I start to worry what if the premium cannot climb long distance uphill better than the 2.0. I’m not experienced with ebike; can anyone help answer my concern?
Beware, I ordered mine back on May 8th. Still hasn't even shipped. They got my money 💰 for over two month. After a half a dozen emails, they still can't give me a shipping date. Time or even were I am in line. Very upset with lectric right now. 😡
As much as I like the Premium, for my age, height and weight, the lite is a much better fit.
The Lite is my favorite - and better fits my budget
@@KevCentral Great minds think alike? LOL
How does the 2.0 have more torque? like you mean it feels like it because spec wise that's way off
Where did you get the specs? I know from experience on both bikes the 2.0 has more odd the line punch and can climb steep hills slightly faster using throttle only (not recommended for motor life) - both of which are displays of useable torque. That’s not to say the XPremium is a slouch; it performs admirable well. It’s just that the power is more nuanced and less all at once torque monster like the 2.0 and 1.0
@@KevCentral My understanding is the new bike has 140nm of torque and the 2.0 60nm searching the internet and when a few live streams happened when the new bike was announced...
I haven’t seen official torque specs on the TruckRun. If it is more then they have it programmed at a reduced output, because the 2.0 has more punch when comparing side-by-side
@@KevCentral Interesting the first thing i always hear about mid drives is there monster torque compared to hub drives
@@KevCentral They may have a “slow start” mode on the mid-mount motor to avoid jerky starts. You might find a setting for it you can change if you like the “full on at start” feeling.
Being a senior, I'm hoping and waiting til Lectric comes out with a premium, dual battery bike with cadence. We seniors buy the most bikes and we want the easy pedaling that a cadence bike provides. Pedal harder ??? Why ? What senior in his right mind would buy into that concept ? We also don't mind paying the few extra bucks for all the QUALITY features. Give us cadence !
I am not a senior, but I agree as you can easily turn off the electricity, or peddle stronger with cadence. However with torque sensing you have no choice but to peddle harder, or move slow, so it is not the best option if you want to cruise at higher speeds without exerting too much strength in your legs on a continuous basis.
This senior appreciates the exercise value of a torque sensor. I get a better workout with a torque sensor. BTW, if you want dual battery and cadence, buy a 2.0 and an extra battery. Toss the extra battery in a pannier or topcase. Problem solved.
@@twloughlin That would be the go to move, but the 2.0 has been around about a year already. I believe very soon the 3.0 will be announced, and that bike can have that already installed as well as some other upgrades.
@@buffalomind6838 If so, that would be fabulous. However, I do not think, as you do, that a 3.0 is in the works any time soon. I am not sure why you believe that's true, but given supply chain issues, design time lines, and all that goes into getting an ebike onto the market, and given that they've just released two new models within two weeks of each other, I think a 3.0 is not realistic. Anything they might have wanted in a 3.0 I think has gone into the XPremium design. Perhaps you'll share with us why you think a 3.0 is on its way shortly.
@@twloughlin The CEO has mentioned in interviews that the Premium is not the new version of the XP, but a separate one along side. And the Lite is an even more different bike on its own lane. As you mentioned 2 new bikes came out within days with everything that’s been going on means pretty much nothing for Lectric as they are top dogs, and many would say the top dog in there space of bikes, so they get top priority which means they are not only experienced in the industry in knowing what to do to not have the delays they had before, but can also dictate what they want at a certain price, because there brand can pull in the numbers=cash for the suppliers.
Hey Kev, great informative video.
Can you please tell me the top throttle only speed with bike unlocked in class 3 pas5?
Will it exceed 20 mph?
Thanks
Throttle only is locked to 20mph
@@KevCentral Thanks!
As a 6' 3" 280 pound 70 year old do you think the XPremium is a suitable first ebike? I used to ride to work almost year round but that was 10 years and 30 pounds ago. there are a number of 8% grades in the area I live now and that has stopped me from riding as much as I used to.
If you still ride at all then I think you would find the XPremium will give you legs like when you were 25
For the money...the 3.0 cannot be beaten. A lot of bells and whistles for $1600 (on sale now). I have looked around for quite some time for a mid drive e bike. Nothing else comes close to the 3.0 in value.
I don't think you covered this in the video, but can you compare the hill climbing ability between the 2 bikes?
I know that you already said that the XP 2.0 feels punchier than the XPremium. I assume that's based on level ground.
The mid drive motors do well on hills since they get to take advantage of the bikes gearing to help keep motor rpm up as you shift into lower gears when you climb hills. The hub motors can get dragged down to very low rpm on hills. So with a mid drive and hub motor of equal wattage the mid drive gets the advantage on long hills.
@@jimmyjames8736 I understand the theoretical benefits/disadvantages between mid drives and hub motors. I'd like to hear Kevin's personal perception of the differences between the bikes after doing tests of each bike first hand.
@@dtape Gotcha. Like you, I will also be looking forward to seeing some more of the Xpremium comparisons that will be coming out. I think the ideal is to have both types if you can lol.
Flip a coin? I don't have a dog in this fight. Thanks for sharing this with e.
No doubt this is an amazing value but the micromanaging required on the shifting not to wear the drive train out makes this not a good option for people new to eBikes. Looking forward to peoples' impressions in a few months. I ended up getting a 2.0 from a lady who only rode it for 3 miles (!).
What micromanaging? It has an interrupt on the motor that guards that for you while shifting
Micromanaging? Basically, just downshift when coming to a stop and don't go everywhere in the highest gear. If you don't want to shift at all, then stay in 3 or 4?
I've a mid-engine because I always wanted one. Low price.
mine only came with one charger
For some reason they decided to go with one charger
On the website, the XP 2.0 is 4 inches thinner (width wise) when folded. So it may just be because of what you mentioned... a floppy bike
Yes. Technically, it is thinner when folded. The reality is with the floppy wheel it opens up to take more space. The XPremium front wheel tucks nicely beside the rear wheel and stays in place.
Edit. A bungee or putting the front wheel side towards a wall or corner would alleviate the issue and make the 2.0 more compact when folded.
So the xp has 4 inch wide tires, 2.0 has 3 inch wide tires
XPremium has 4.0, XP 2.0 has 3 inch tires, yes
Should have upgraded to a 750W motor.
I just keep missing the cutoffs.. got the 1.0 for wife then xp2 cam out a month later.. being tall and old, I want an xp premium [brakes, its bigger, and more battery ] with cadence not torque. I am aure they will come out a month later with that. Seems like they may have lost touch with their demographic alittle, should at least been a 750watt mid drive to apeez us elderly.. or if aimed at the " enthusist cyclist pedal freaks" and with just ONE 14 amp battery.. but a SECOND, as OPTIONAL. Depending on [Weight saving priority OR range priority] . I may cancel my order and hope they figure it out. 😬 sad.. all compies lose sight when they get bigger.. but other manufacturers are starting to catch on! . I bet a 2.0 with 14 amp has same distance as heavier premum with 2 tens! . But Keep the 4 inch.. what good is a fat tire bike at a skinny 3 inches? 4" is a size for a reason.. try running on snow or sand with a 3.
2nd battery is no longer optional. All Xpremiums come with 2 batteries.
They are not sending two chargers they just sent u two
Comes with only one charger.
Shifting while he's not riding it!
shifting sucks with the mid drive... if you want to just relax...
HERE`S THE LATEST DO NOT BUY THIS BIKE mine stopped function after 220 miles Dave from customer service say he wont send me the part until I can tell him what parts are needed Seems like that mean if you are not a bike mechanic you cannot get customer service so if you are a bike mechanic disregard this message I gave him the number at the bike shop lets see if he is going to sit on it until I call or do the right thing stay tuned ALL Sales ARE FINAL AND THIS IS YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE AS WE SAY IN LATIN CAVEAT EMPTOR (LET THE BUYER BEWARE)
I still love my 1.0
That newer one is getting kinda ugly
If lifting your freakin leg over the bike to get on it is a thing, you shouldn’t be riding a bike.
It's a folding bike...they all have frames like that.
Sure are ugly bikes but I guess there are folks that just don't care about looks so have fun but I do care cuz I have to look at it daily and these look like old folks bikes
BMX handle bar fixes the look of these bikes immensely lol
That’s pretty much the reason why I’m getting the Luna eclipse folding bike check it out it has a drive belt too but if u get this bike u can just change the handle bars to bmx handle bar
@@DriverJ-N Yes, the Luna is the better deal and it is more powerful and it looks better