This kind of thing is less uncommon than you would think. As a USAF E5 on a USA ILO deployment the CLP I was the RTO for was involved in a blue on blue incident. We were on a resupply mission in a USMC AO. A sentry post was unable to identify us and investigated by fire. We responded with flares and non directed fire. They stopped. Background: this was the first time a USAF convoy had entered this AO. USAF/USA comms were not fully integrated with USMC ones. USAF/USA CREW was incompatible with USMC CREW, and would engage each other causing denied electronics environment. Our vehicles were not marked IAO USMC NVG protocols. Due to opertaional delays, our mission was about 6 hours out of the designated window. Due to this delay, we were running previous cycle's frequencies and encryption. From the Marine standing post's perspective, unknown unmarked vehicles approached your sector of fire. They do not respond to hails. Your radio then quits working and you cannot contact higher... they are not slowing down. What do you do?
"Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put on K.P." That's what your comment reminds me of. Most people will have no idea what you're talking about when you talk in acronyms like that.
Sorry to burst your god bubble Mover, but in my service it was mostly the incompetence lack of understanding of officers that created accidents or near accidents and the actions of non-commissioned sailors who knew how systems worked and the risk environment that stopped or minimised the issue.
The Peter Principle was meant to be satire when that book was written, but it is truer than anyone will ever admit. Never seems to fail that people are promoted until they reach a level where they're incompetent.
I was in the Gulf when the Vincennes shot down that airliner, I was in a Stinger detachment and a guy from my unit was on the Vincennes when that happened. He said the Airliner was diving on the Vincennes and there was an Iranian LST in the area dumping bodies into the gulf. That was a Psyop by the Iranians trying to turn public opinion against our presence there and forcing us to withdraw and keeping us from assisting the Iraqi's in their war against Iran.
As an old cruiser ship driver who did a tour on a bird farm I have a difficult time thinking they actually engaged the F-18. There should have been an E-2 up, the F-18 wouldn't have been allowed to launch without valid IFF, and it was an upgraded AEGIS Cruiser that was acting Air Warfare Commander (AW). Everybody should have known exactly where friendly assets were. Plus (unless they have changed things) if an SM-2 is launched in error the ship can hold fire and destroy the bird in flight. My thought is the ship had CIWS in auto and the F-18 was directed to fly ( or just flew) within the CIWS envelope with a threatening profile and everybody forgot it was set to that. I can't believe the fighter had the wrong ident or the ident was changed and was intentionally engaged. Also I would think an SM-2 would have probably caused more injury and possibly prevented ejection. Just one old SWOs opinion.
A Tico shot down a passenger airliner that was climbing up to cruise altitude thinking it was an F-14 diving to attack. The only F-14 was sitting on the ground
@@misarthim6538 If it was actually an SM-2 then Navy has been damaged by politics way worth than I thought possible. Stand by for the largest Courts Martial in history after Jan 20th
My father was an F15C pilot in the early 90s and shortly after flight 800 he got locked up by a Burke multiple times just off of Norfolk. So, it happens
A Royal Navy Harrier on fleet CAP was directed to intercept / shoot down a pair of contacts during the Falklands War. They were a flight of 2 Harriers leaving the battlegroup. Nigel "Sharkey" Ward recounts the story in his book of the conflict. He was the pilot on CAP and his situational awareness was such he disobeyed the order.
Mistakes with much worse outcomes happen: In 1992, USS Saratoga (CV-60) fired two Sea Sparrows at the Turkish Frigate TCG-Muavenet during a NATO excersize killing five including the ship's captain and injuring 22. It's worth an episode.
First navy on navy? No. USS Porter fired torpedoes for the hell of it while they were all transporting frickin President Roosevelt on a "secret" mission way back when.. They had to break radio silence to warn the USS Iowa which was carrying the President. Luckily the torpedo headed right for that ship exploded just before reaching anywhere it could cause damage... Roosevelt declined to charge the crew... "Boys will be boys"
It would be interesting to know what missile was used because a fighter jet crew is unlikely to survive an impact from a "telephone pole" (SM-2, SM-3, S-300, S-400 ETC) due to the massive warheads onboard. Its possible that the missile came close enough to trigger the proximity fuse without making contact but its just as possible that this was a Houthi missile that brought it down.
So do the AA guys that messed up owe the F/A-18 crew a case of whisky or something? How do you apologize for something like that? "Sorry about your jet. I'm really glad you're ok. Here is a case of Talisker and a promise to not do it again"
" Sorry about your jet " you mean my jet our jet owned by the taxpayers. 87 million dollars down the toilet, you think the Navy gives a shit,us taxpayers have unlimited wallets
I find it hard to believe that even in the 1980s, a guided missile cruiser like the USS Vincennes (who, shouldn't have been in that location at the time because the Captain disobeyed orders and went looking for a fight), with the Aegis combat system, could not tell the difference between an Airbus A-300 and an F-14A. For one, the radar signatures are different. The airspeed are different. That incident was cold blooded murder - and to make matters worse, the USS Vincennes received a heroes welcome when the returned to the US. That's like spitting in the face of the families of the victims.
Hi Mover & Gonky, just curious in regard to how ‘Wombat’ got his call sign, as this is an Australian native animal? Regards Grant, Sydney Australia. 🇦🇺
Thank you for spelling out how IFF could have failed. That was the big burning question in my mind. The Tin Foil Hat theory was quite interesting, though. I could see how that could possibly happen. Probability low, but not zero. OK, that one's not off the table.
AEGIS missile system software will not allow you to fire on an aircraft that is transmitting a friendly IFF signal. It's possible that the fighter had its IFF transponder off if it went feet dry over a hostile area and failed to turn it back on going back over water. That would result in an automatic engagment if the system was configured for battle operations. I served on a AEGIS cruiser and was the guy who "pulled the trigger" when MANUALLY engaging aircraft. The system is autonomous if things are dicey.
Really looking forward to the report on this one. While blue-on-blue incidents are far from unheard of, it's one of those things you would think should be very uncommon with modern technology. But hey maybe it actually was a string of unfortunate, unlikely coincidences.
In 1992 as the Mighty Mo made its way to Pearl, apparently we lost contact with the crew and a F18 from Nimitz was sent to her location. As the Hornet spun around for a closer look at the Missouri it was locked up by CWIZ and shot down. The pilot never ejected and it was found later that the Mighty Mo had been taken over by by mercenaries. Luckily a lone Navy SEAL named Casey Ryback who was on the ship as a cook, was able to neutralize the bad guys with the help of Miss July. All jokes aside, just glad the pilots made it out and are safe.
I gave a real life event like it that was ship on ship that could have been much worse. If you miss my other post look up Fat Electrician's vid on the William D. Porter that fired on the Iowa with FDR and his war staff onboard to meet with Stalin and Churchill.
Just out of curiosity, from the command structure position , who give the order to shoot down an aircraft enemy or bogey and base on what data or intel?
I bet it’s not a friendly fire, only because it sounded much better than the head line of “a F18 shot down by someone wearing slippers around the Red Sea”
Umm, u’ll find us English as only language speakers dunna do gram well, and yeah, the Houfi have a 100km range SAM that can take down Hornet…. The simplest explanation if usually the best.. this is an incompetent, stressed, tired crew person making a switchology error…. And/or comms issue. Lessons will not be learned 😖
but it was not "coming back"... afaik they just took off its an aircraft moving away from the battle group and the houthies dont even have an airforce imagine being on the deck of the ship, watching the jets take off and suddenly anti air rockets get launched.... or as the pilot... right after start u probably assume a false alarm who could anticipate ur own cruiser engaging your jet right after departure.....
Navy on Navy USS Jarrett fired on USS Missouri 25 February 1991 JS Yūgiri vs US A-6 Intruder 4 August 1995 CIWS shot first and let inquires deal with any questions
My family took a trip to San Diego in the mid 80s. I took a photo of the USS Vincennes about a month before she shot down the airliner. I had to discard the photo. It was too creepy.
Watch for the stupid comments from 12 year old people who can't use Google search. I can only imagine the crew took some time to readjust when they found out what happened.
I was in the Gulf when the Vincennes shot down that airliner, I was in a Stinger detachment and a guy from my unit was on the Vincennes when that happened. He said the Airliner was diving on the Vincennes and there was an Iranian LST in the area dumping bodies into the gulf. That was a Psyop by the Iranians trying to turn public opinion against our presence there and forcing us to withdraw and keeping us from assisting the Iraqi's in their war against Iran.
Hooters shot it down BUT Washington thinks the truth will frighten the airmen shitless so this story. I think airmen is now frighten to return from a mission now.
Also have you seen the videos of CIWS spooling up and tracking friendly aircraft flying near boats?... Scary stuff and food for thought about possibilities here.
The super genius management types want to give them AI so they can turn themselves on, lock you up, and shoot you down without a human in the loop. How many pilots are going to pay the price beta testing that junk? How much is the government contractor going to earn convincing congresscritters to buy the over-priced cost plus stupidity.
why no one read what the Houthis said they said we launch a swarm attack against us carrier group in the same direction of US aircraft that getting back to the aircraft carrier they said we launched 17 UAV 7 cruise missiles and three anti ships ballistic missiles so with the panic the cruiser shot down the f18 mistakenly.
The CIWS on USS Jaret fired automatically at chaff and hit Missouri. Apparently the plane was hit during takeoff. It’s not unreasonable to speculate that something of that nature might have happened. Perhaps someone had unintentionally set a CIWS to automatic and that misidentified the Hornet taking off as a missile popping up in the final phase.
And in 1987 when an F-14 from the USS Saratoga shot down a US Air Force RF-4C over the med. LT Dorsey the pilot and shooter of the F-14 kept his wings lost his flight status and was later promoted to rear admiral lower half in the Navy Reserve. And in 1988 when the USS Vincennes shot down Iranian airliner flight655 killing all 290 people on board. In the Persian gulf. And And in 1992 when the Saratoga CV 60 fired 2 SM2's at a Turkish destroyer in a training exercise killing 5 people 1 of which was the CO. And In 1998 when 2 F-15's shot down 2 Blackhawk helicopters in Iraq and lt col may flew over the wreckage and said "stick a fork in them, they're done" and in 2003 when a patriot missile battery shot down an RAF Tornado in Iraq killing both crew. And in 2003 when an F/A-18C hornet VFA-195 was enroute to the USS Kittyhawk when it was engaged by a Army pac3 missile the pilot lt white was killed found in a lake near karbala. And in2007 when 2 Army Apache AH-64 attack helicopters strafed and killed 18 people in Iraq that were innocent reporters and children in bagdad with 2 gun runs of their 30 mm gun and 1 run with their hellfire missiles,and the one plane that tops the list of more friendly fire incidents then all other planes combined in Iraq with too many incidents to quote the A10. This just has to stop. What's the point.
The point is in a combat environment it's sometimes hard to determine if something is a threat to you and something isn't. Also sometimes accidents do happen, be it due to misjudgment, equipment malfunction or simply outright stupidity. When you're acting with "toys" that can throw an explosive fragmentation charge over more than 50 miles then the things that can happen are quite serious. And while I do think it would be nice to no longer have to fight each other, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Too many conflicting interests and too many people thinking they can end things with violence that should better be settled discussing at a table. For as long as those prevail, the sad reality is that others have little choice in the matter and do likewise or be killed...
At no point during the Christmas Eve address by my training instructor in Basic Training in the 1980s, while my Air Force flight was in our beds and getting ready to sleep, while he was talking about how some of the other people in the Air Force were spending their Christmas Eve, did he mention getting shot down by your own military's anti-aircraft fire. Most of the flight were probably spending their first Christmas away from home - hence the pep talk. IFF is not 100%. Just saying.
Wait, I thought it was funny when friendly fire happened? Oooh, only to Russia. As if they aren't humans. (And we had completely different systems from iraq) Gen. MacArthur: In no other profession are the penalties for employing untrained personnel so appalling or irrevocable as in the military.
Just never approach a fleet to begin with unless you have prior authorization and reception is expected.Approaching any carrior group without proper authorization under the proper protocal is considered an automatic hostile threat.
Are we sure the pilot doesn’t have carnal knowledge of the weapons officer on the Gettysburg ? 😂😂😂🤔. We are all military vets and we know how things get crazy with marriages 😂😂😂
Someone not squawking mode 4 or someone had the wrong mode 4 codes loaded? Aircrew not flying/briefed on the correct air corridors? RHAW gear not on or working? ECMs? A lot of miss steps here, but I am not surprised. From first hand experience of integrating USMC (LAAD/GBDL/Stinger) and Navy surface AD (Ships AD weapon systems and radars) for amphibious operations and real world operations around the Persian Gulf, Navy surface AD is not as robust and or disciplined as their land surface counterparts in the USMC and USA AD mission/community. Surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
I read that that the F-18F had just launched from the carrier, not returning. The Gettysburgh was the air defence command ship for the Trueman CSG. Lookout for the DCS renactment of the incident. ✈🛬
This is a direct result of the Navy embracing DEI and removing competency as a requirement for promotion. When they are more concerned with identity politics and pronoun training than they are at warfighting.....this is what happens.
An F-16 was also shot down in Kiev by a Patriot system (despite Pentagon denials) while attempting to down drones. If the threat environment is crazy enough, anything can happen.
When friendly fire happened in Ukraine over war zone, people called it "Russian incompetence." I wonder what those people will call this (United States incompetence).
The commander of the carrier task group was on thee Gettysburg. I wonder if hee was watching or they woke him up. Guess the Gettysburg had a bad data link. Could start a rumor the injured pilot got his injuries being restrained when trying to throttle the missile guys. Then maybee Yemen actually tagged them patriot style or Israel patriot.
This kind of thing is less uncommon than you would think.
As a USAF E5 on a USA ILO deployment the CLP I was the RTO for was involved in a blue on blue incident. We were on a resupply mission in a USMC AO. A sentry post was unable to identify us and investigated by fire. We responded with flares and non directed fire. They stopped.
Background: this was the first time a USAF convoy had entered this AO. USAF/USA comms were not fully integrated with USMC ones. USAF/USA CREW was incompatible with USMC CREW, and would engage each other causing denied electronics environment. Our vehicles were not marked IAO USMC NVG protocols. Due to opertaional delays, our mission was about 6 hours out of the designated window. Due to this delay, we were running previous cycle's frequencies and encryption.
From the Marine standing post's perspective, unknown unmarked vehicles approached your sector of fire. They do not respond to hails. Your radio then quits working and you cannot contact higher... they are not slowing down. What do you do?
@smithandshortdogs Terminal Lance had a comic about that in Terminal Lance #140 “Escalation of Force” (subtitled “Shout, Show, Shove, Shoot.”)
"Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put on K.P."
That's what your comment reminds me of. Most people will have no idea what you're talking about when you talk in acronyms like that.
@@prinzalbatross9526😂😂😂 The dreaded KP. Thank God for crew rest requirements for ATC.
Maybe they were being paid by the rooskies but chickened out at the last second, South Korea style
Sorry to burst your god bubble Mover, but in my service it was mostly the incompetence lack of understanding of officers that created accidents or near accidents and the actions of non-commissioned sailors who knew how systems worked and the risk environment that stopped or minimised the issue.
The Peter Principle was meant to be satire when that book was written, but it is truer than anyone will ever admit. Never seems to fail that people are promoted until they reach a level where they're incompetent.
NCOs usually save the day, and take the heat for logistical fuckups caused by bad decision making by “superiors”.
@@fubar5884 I have a copy of the Peter Principle board game, but I've never played it. I have read the book.
To be fair they thought that the F18 was an Iranian passenger plane.
Edit: great minds think alike.
LGBTQ captained a cruiser INTO A SAND BANK!!
so this is VERY possible these days.
I was in the Gulf when the Vincennes shot down that airliner, I was in a Stinger detachment and a guy from my unit was on the Vincennes when that happened. He said the Airliner was diving on the Vincennes and there was an Iranian LST in the area dumping bodies into the gulf. That was a Psyop by the Iranians trying to turn public opinion against our presence there and forcing us to withdraw and keeping us from assisting the Iraqi's in their war against Iran.
As an old cruiser ship driver who did a tour on a bird farm I have a difficult time thinking they actually engaged the F-18. There should have been an E-2 up, the F-18 wouldn't have been allowed to launch without valid IFF, and it was an upgraded AEGIS Cruiser that was acting Air Warfare Commander (AW). Everybody should have known exactly where friendly assets were. Plus (unless they have changed things) if an SM-2 is launched in error the ship can hold fire and destroy the bird in flight. My thought is the ship had CIWS in auto and the F-18 was directed to fly ( or just flew) within the CIWS envelope with a threatening profile and everybody forgot it was set to that. I can't believe the fighter had the wrong ident or the ident was changed and was intentionally engaged. Also I would think an SM-2 would have probably caused more injury and possibly prevented ejection.
Just one old SWOs opinion.
IFF is just numbers put in by the pilot or wso... It can be wrong..
Agree with assessment. Probably RAM short range.
A Tico shot down a passenger airliner that was climbing up to cruise altitude thinking it was an F-14 diving to attack. The only F-14 was sitting on the ground
Seems like it has been disclosed in the meantime that it was indeed SM2.
@@misarthim6538 If it was actually an SM-2 then Navy has been damaged by politics way worth than I thought possible. Stand by for the largest Courts Martial in history after Jan 20th
pretty scary when you get shot down by your own team.
have you ever got shot down by your team?
look up the uss liberty.
And it isn’t even a high intensity conflict like the war in Ukraine.
Houthis shot down
100% coverup. Houthis have taken delivery of Russian weapons. Continue to Supply Ukraine they will supply the Houthi's it’s not rocket science
Plot twist: They've really started using AI Skynet and it viewed the humans as a threat.
"In a panic they tried to pull the plug..."
Plot twist - they been doing that for a long time
My father was an F15C pilot in the early 90s and shortly after flight 800 he got locked up by a Burke multiple times just off of Norfolk. So, it happens
A Royal Navy Harrier on fleet CAP was directed to intercept / shoot down a pair of contacts during the Falklands War. They were a flight of 2 Harriers leaving the battlegroup. Nigel "Sharkey" Ward recounts the story in his book of the conflict. He was the pilot on CAP and his situational awareness was such he disobeyed the order.
Mistakes with much worse outcomes happen: In 1992, USS Saratoga (CV-60) fired two Sea Sparrows at the Turkish Frigate TCG-Muavenet during a NATO excersize killing five including the ship's captain and injuring 22. It's worth an episode.
Then there is also the Iran air flight 655 incident! Like they mention quickly in the beginning of this video.
First navy on navy? No. USS Porter fired torpedoes for the hell of it while they were all transporting frickin President Roosevelt on a "secret" mission way back when.. They had to break radio silence to warn the USS Iowa which was carrying the President. Luckily the torpedo headed right for that ship exploded just before reaching anywhere it could cause damage...
Roosevelt declined to charge the crew... "Boys will be boys"
You forgot to mention that the Iowa oriented some guns at the Porter and she was ordered to move away and if she approached she would be fired upon.
It would be interesting to know what missile was used because a fighter jet crew is unlikely to survive an impact from a "telephone pole" (SM-2, SM-3, S-300, S-400 ETC) due to the massive warheads onboard. Its possible that the missile came close enough to trigger the proximity fuse without making contact but its just as possible that this was a Houthi missile that brought it down.
The "Not service connected" was a deep burn. One that the VA won't pay for.
Well, the 'service' shot them down 🤣
That Red/Green/Ctrl+Alt+Delete button on the SM-2 station really ought to be "DELETE"!
So do the AA guys that messed up owe the F/A-18 crew a case of whisky or something?
How do you apologize for something like that?
"Sorry about your jet. I'm really glad you're ok. Here is a case of Talisker and a promise to not do it again"
" Sorry about your jet " you mean my jet our jet owned by the taxpayers. 87 million dollars down the toilet, you think the Navy gives a shit,us taxpayers have unlimited wallets
I find it hard to believe that even in the 1980s, a guided missile cruiser like the USS Vincennes (who, shouldn't have been in that location at the time because the Captain disobeyed orders and went looking for a fight), with the Aegis combat system, could not tell the difference between an Airbus A-300 and an F-14A.
For one, the radar signatures are different. The airspeed are different. That incident was cold blooded murder - and to make matters worse, the USS Vincennes received a heroes welcome when the returned to the US. That's like spitting in the face of the families of the victims.
The shoot down happened just after 3am. That part of the Red Sea is Zulu +3, so right after “midnight” GMT.
It was 0300 local, not Zulu.
Hi Mover & Gonky, just curious in regard to how ‘Wombat’ got his call sign, as this is an Australian native animal? Regards Grant, Sydney Australia. 🇦🇺
Eats, Roots and leaves...maybe?
Probs Chunky and well hard?
Thank you for spelling out how IFF could have failed. That was the big burning question in my mind.
The Tin Foil Hat theory was quite interesting, though. I could see how that could possibly happen. Probability low, but not zero. OK, that one's not off the table.
AEGIS missile system software will not allow you to fire on an aircraft that is transmitting a friendly IFF signal. It's possible that the fighter had its IFF transponder off if it went feet dry over a hostile area and failed to turn it back on going back over water. That would result in an automatic engagment if the system was configured for battle operations. I served on a AEGIS cruiser and was the guy who "pulled the trigger" when MANUALLY engaging aircraft. The system is autonomous if things are dicey.
Really looking forward to the report on this one. While blue-on-blue incidents are far from unheard of, it's one of those things you would think should be very uncommon with modern technology. But hey maybe it actually was a string of unfortunate, unlikely coincidences.
I'm curious about the iff setup during the incident.
I'd like to hear from former F 14 , A4 , F4 Naval aviators on their take about this.
Blue on Blue will happen, I remember in the 90s an A10 straifed a British Warrior group. the pilots comms of that flight are shocking and emotional
In 1992 as the Mighty Mo made its way to Pearl, apparently we lost contact with the crew and a F18 from Nimitz was sent to her location. As the Hornet spun around for a closer look at the Missouri it was locked up by CWIZ and shot down. The pilot never ejected and it was found later that the Mighty Mo had been taken over by by mercenaries. Luckily a lone Navy SEAL named Casey Ryback who was on the ship as a cook, was able to neutralize the bad guys with the help of Miss July.
All jokes aside, just glad the pilots made it out and are safe.
I gave a real life event like it that was ship on ship that could have been much worse. If you miss my other post look up Fat Electrician's vid on the William D. Porter that fired on the Iowa with FDR and his war staff onboard to meet with Stalin and Churchill.
Just out of curiosity, from the command structure position , who give the order to shoot down an aircraft enemy or bogey and base on what data or intel?
In the conditions in the Red Sea, it would be the TAO in CIC that orders/authorizes shooting something.
These things are bound to happen. Glad our folks are safe. Also hope all sides learn from the mishap. Love to all our peeps. 🇺🇸
Your peeps are the greatest terrorists on the planet.
I'm just curious, isn't the radar on this cruiser advanced enough to differentiate between a super hornet vs drones signature🤔
Under normal circumstances, yes, but there's a lot more variables.
I bet it’s not a friendly fire, only because it sounded much better than the head line of “a F18 shot down by someone wearing slippers around the Red Sea”
Dumb comment alert! I reckon you rarely bet with real money!
Doubt it
@ Dumb grammar alert! I reckon you rarely talk with real English!
Muscovites downing their own Sukhois may also wear slippers.
It's a chill job.
Umm, u’ll find us English as only language speakers dunna do gram well, and yeah, the Houfi have a 100km range SAM that can take down Hornet…. The simplest explanation if usually the best.. this is an incompetent, stressed, tired crew person making a switchology error…. And/or comms issue. Lessons will not be learned 😖
but it was not "coming back"... afaik they just took off
its an aircraft moving away from the battle group and the houthies dont even have an airforce
imagine being on the deck of the ship, watching the jets take off and suddenly anti air rockets get launched.... or as the pilot... right after start u probably assume a false alarm
who could anticipate ur own cruiser engaging your jet right after departure.....
Thank God the aviators were able to eject safely. Shows just how important comms and deconfliction are.
Navy on Navy USS Jarrett fired on USS Missouri 25 February 1991
JS Yūgiri vs US A-6 Intruder 4 August 1995
CIWS shot first and let inquires deal with any questions
My family took a trip to San Diego in the mid 80s. I took a photo of the USS Vincennes about a month before she shot down the airliner. I had to discard the photo. It was too creepy.
It definitely happened because you took that picture.
Watch for the stupid comments from 12 year old people who can't use Google search. I can only imagine the crew took some time to readjust when they found out what happened.
So, does the ship still paint the kill on the superstructure?
I was in the Gulf when the Vincennes shot down that airliner, I was in a Stinger detachment and a guy from my unit was on the Vincennes when that happened. He said the Airliner was diving on the Vincennes and there was an Iranian LST in the area dumping bodies into the gulf. That was a Psyop by the Iranians trying to turn public opinion against our presence there and forcing us to withdraw and keeping us from assisting the Iraqi's in their war against Iran.
it was sm2 , sh18 was tasked to shoot down drone but sm2 in terminal phase locked in to sh18
So countermeasures on the super hornet weren't deployed? And missiles are that good they affected by counter measures?
From the internet:
The crew of a Ticonderoga class cruiser is 33 officers, 27 chief petty officers, and 340 enlisted
To what extent could the recent modernization of the USS Gettysburg have led to a captain and crew unfamiliar with the new systems?
The Gettysburg will have to Address this. 😆
Hooters shot it down
BUT
Washington thinks the truth will frighten the airmen shitless
so this story.
I think airmen is now frighten to return from a mission now.
Nice joke. The other fella didn’t get it.
Do the drones fly a profile that is similar to a fighter? Is that even possible?
It's a possibility but more probable is that they thought it was an anti-ship missile.
5:07 The "Craptietam" was my sister ship back in the day.
Sounds like Under Siege 1 with the Sea Wiz 😆
I thought the same. “Are you tracking me??” 💥
Also have you seen the videos of CIWS spooling up and tracking friendly aircraft flying near boats?... Scary stuff and food for thought about possibilities here.
CIWS are renowned for intrusive thoughts.
The super genius management types want to give them AI so they can turn themselves on, lock you up, and shoot you down without a human in the loop. How many pilots are going to pay the price beta testing that junk?
How much is the government contractor going to earn convincing congresscritters to buy the over-priced cost plus stupidity.
I'm happy those lucky bastards are safe but somebody is definitely getting relieved over this
7:31 You guys should do a show with Habitual Linecrosser about that incident in 2003.
why no one read what the Houthis said they said we launch a swarm attack against us carrier group in the same direction of US aircraft that getting back to the aircraft carrier they said we launched 17 UAV 7 cruise missiles and three anti ships ballistic missiles so with the panic the cruiser shot down the f18 mistakenly.
Разве система «свой-чужой» не работает? Капитану корабля желаю прожить 15000 лет чтоб выплатить стоимость F-18 из его офицерской пенсии)))
Probably a cover story for a hostile shootdown. Seems "operator error" is the default excuse for Russia/USA
The CIWS on USS Jaret fired automatically at chaff and hit Missouri. Apparently the plane was hit during takeoff.
It’s not unreasonable to speculate that something of that nature might have happened. Perhaps someone had unintentionally set a CIWS to automatic and that misidentified the Hornet taking off as a missile popping up in the final phase.
Glad the crew got out ok. Let’s wait for the investigation before we start pointing fingers.
Exactly. Pointing fingers get us nowhere... USS Gettysburg..
That'll take years to get released if ever...🙄
Friendly fire.. right
No IFF protocols?
@mover and Gonky Show
have you ever watched the bridge video when the US cruiser shot down the Iranian airliner?
You have a link to that video, please?
Top Gun, Maverick 2. The Danger Zone in front of your own forces.
And in 1987 when an F-14 from the USS Saratoga shot down a US Air Force RF-4C over the med. LT Dorsey the pilot and shooter of the F-14 kept his wings lost his flight status and was later promoted to rear admiral lower half in the Navy Reserve. And in 1988 when the USS Vincennes shot down Iranian airliner flight655 killing all 290 people on board. In the Persian gulf. And And in 1992 when the Saratoga CV 60 fired 2 SM2's at a Turkish destroyer in a training exercise killing 5 people 1 of which was the CO. And In 1998 when 2 F-15's shot down 2 Blackhawk helicopters in Iraq and lt col may flew over the wreckage and said "stick a fork in them, they're done" and in 2003 when a patriot missile battery shot down an RAF Tornado in Iraq killing both crew. And in 2003 when an F/A-18C hornet VFA-195 was enroute to the USS Kittyhawk when it was engaged by a Army pac3 missile the pilot lt white was killed found in a lake near karbala. And in2007 when 2 Army Apache AH-64 attack helicopters strafed and killed 18 people in Iraq that were innocent reporters and children in bagdad with 2 gun runs of their 30 mm gun and 1 run with their hellfire missiles,and the one plane that tops the list of more friendly fire incidents then all other planes combined in Iraq with too many incidents to quote the A10. This just has to stop. What's the point.
The point is in a combat environment it's sometimes hard to determine if something is a threat to you and something isn't. Also sometimes accidents do happen, be it due to misjudgment, equipment malfunction or simply outright stupidity. When you're acting with "toys" that can throw an explosive fragmentation charge over more than 50 miles then the things that can happen are quite serious.
And while I do think it would be nice to no longer have to fight each other, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Too many conflicting interests and too many people thinking they can end things with violence that should better be settled discussing at a table. For as long as those prevail, the sad reality is that others have little choice in the matter and do likewise or be killed...
Apache don't have gatling gun. It has Chain gun
The most Monday story I have heard.
Imagine the crew ejected over hostile territory... thank god that didn't happen
And I thought that only the Russians shot down their planes
At no point during the Christmas Eve address by my training instructor in Basic Training in the 1980s, while my Air Force flight was in our beds and getting ready to sleep, while he was talking about how some of the other people in the Air Force were spending their Christmas Eve, did he mention getting shot down by your own military's anti-aircraft fire.
Most of the flight were probably spending their first Christmas away from home - hence the pep talk.
IFF is not 100%. Just saying.
A patriot shot down a RAF tornado in 2003 in GW2 both crew killed
1:23 minus 5 inches from your overall height due to disc spacing being rearranged
Mover is on to something, take the pr hit instead of admitting publicly the rag tags took a f18 down.... interesting thing to ponder.
Wait, I thought it was funny when friendly fire happened? Oooh, only to Russia.
As if they aren't humans. (And we had completely different systems from iraq)
Gen. MacArthur: In no other profession are the penalties for employing
untrained personnel so appalling or irrevocable as in the military.
Gettysburg was US vs. US as well.
Tico Crew complement is around 330
If your approaching a fleet, don't do it on A way that ppl interpit it in a hostile way.
Just never approach a fleet to begin with unless you have prior authorization and reception is expected.Approaching any carrior group without proper authorization under the proper protocal is considered an automatic hostile threat.
Ctrl Alt Del Hornet! There should be procedural deconfliction.
Now emagine a peer to peer war stress
I’d don’t think where that ahead of china
Everyone gangsta laughing at the russki's shooting their own plane down in a war zone until.......nek minute......
NORDO? Anyone please. Thanks.
No Radio
they need to improve the IFF technology
Are we sure the pilot doesn’t have carnal knowledge of the weapons officer on the Gettysburg ? 😂😂😂🤔. We are all military vets and we know how things get crazy with marriages 😂😂😂
It must be houthi missiles now they are just naming it as friendly fire to save face
Agreed
@@Farhanterbaik97No. Hourhis did not claim credit. And more missions have taken place after the incident.
@@GowthamNatarajanAIHouthi did
@@GowthamNatarajanAI Houthis ARE claiming credit but that's to be expected.
Have to be the dumbest thing I've seen. Shooting down your own plane and someone loosing their job to save face?! Yeah no
Someone not squawking mode 4 or someone had the wrong mode 4 codes loaded? Aircrew not flying/briefed on the correct air corridors? RHAW gear not on or working? ECMs? A lot of miss steps here, but I am not surprised. From first hand experience of integrating USMC (LAAD/GBDL/Stinger) and Navy surface AD (Ships AD weapon systems and radars) for amphibious operations and real world operations around the Persian Gulf, Navy surface AD is not as robust and or disciplined as their land surface counterparts in the USMC and USA AD mission/community. Surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
Expensive mistake regardless of error mode🤣 I would be fired for alot less.
Like your spelling! :)
FA-18 got hit with a sandal.
if every thing is down use eyball mark one😅😅rooster chaff flare
The time starlink glitched 😅
Will the Commander of the USS Gettysburg Address this?
tin hat theory? hardly. mh370 too
Well, the system works.
I read that that the F-18F had just launched from the carrier, not returning. The Gettysburgh was the air defence command ship for the Trueman CSG. Lookout for the DCS renactment of the incident. ✈🛬
On the bright side, we know the ship aor defenses work
This is a direct result of the Navy embracing DEI and removing competency as a requirement for promotion. When they are more concerned with identity politics and pronoun training than they are at warfighting.....this is what happens.
lol....Shaniqua hit the target.
An F-16 was also shot down in Kiev by a Patriot system (despite Pentagon denials) while attempting to down drones. If the threat environment is crazy enough, anything can happen.
We got the US befriending the Houthis before GTA 6
When friendly fire happened in Ukraine over war zone, people called it "Russian incompetence." I wonder what those people will call this (United States incompetence).
IFF for who.
0300 local? Human factors comes to mind.
It was a misinput! A misinput!
Sure. I'm sure that's what happened if America claims ths
I guess the "launch the missiles" person went to the bathroom when this S00pah Hornet got airborne and didn't recognize them after he came back lol
The commander of the carrier task group was on thee Gettysburg. I wonder if hee was watching or they woke him up. Guess the Gettysburg had a bad data link. Could start a rumor the injured pilot got his injuries being restrained when trying to throttle the missile guys. Then maybee Yemen actually tagged them patriot style or Israel patriot.
The TWA800 conspiracy theory has been thoroughly debunked.
minor enough incident besides geopolitical embarrassment, can learn from and make saved something worse
Franchetti needs to be fired. Total loss of confidence.
AI? Skynet? 😢😢😢😢
IFF failure?
Maybe we shouldn't be bombing countries we are not at war with?🤔
You should look up the deets on this skirmish....... Spoiler Alert: It's another Joe Biden fk up.
USAF aircraft have to stay together, because a single one would get lost.
Really, another Ticonderga class hist something it should not have.