yeah people were broke af, which is why post election a bunch of vacations and xmas sales records were set. Inflation was a smokescreen for bigotry and hatred.
He was referring to the interest voting blocks. As Corporate interest groups and Union groups both largely voted for Trump. Which doesn't normally happen as they tend to vote in opposition to each other. So while yes individual main points in voting were inflation and migration, the organised vote blocks were different. It's a matter of perspective for the difference. Individual vs Group always tend to hold differing matters of importance.
I notice a real decline in the quality of the comments since Peter moved Pro with his subscription first format. But I agree with you about his knowledge/confidence. Still he teaches me a lot with every video. Predicting the future is a fool’s game, but we all do it. We have to.
@@jonpaulbruner7983Then your delusional bud…Jon, you need some help on learning how to actually critically think like Peter who is unable to be objective when it comes to American politics…he is a establishment democrat…100%.
He managed to be insightful about the onset of the Ukraine war, global fragmentation, and that Iran would demur when it came to a wider war in the Middle East.
why do "americans" always seethe at Zeihan's domestic videos but everyone else says his foreign ones are accurate representations? I think something's going on with the "americans" in these comments section
His foreign politics is almost as bad, it's simply a function of his being ensconced in the US establishment and its globalist cronies. He's good on geopolitical fundamentals but hopeless on anything cultural because everyone he knows is benefiting from the West's cultural decline.
@@bobby13730 Zeihan appears to be correct when taking geopolitical snapshots from 25,000 ft. but he's not alway right. When he's commenting on American politics, he's out of touch. In the US, the political world has turned upside down wherein the GOP has apparently become the party of the working class and right wing populism; the Democrat party is now the party of the elites, academia and leftist progressivism. Zeihan claims to be Independent but it's obvious from his comments that he voted Blue for the candidate who couldn't separate herself from our dementia-impaired President's policies nor articulate a straight answer to questions posed to her.
Because Peter lives in a liberal bubble and interacts with business people across the globe. He goes to parties where the sentences sometimes start with, "Well, everyone agrees...", just like in Hollywood.
@@tomatobagel Let me rephrase your comment for everyone. Until Pete start loving Trump, I will consider most of what he says wrong. I was thinking recently about spending time with Jackie Kennedy on Martha’s Vineyard in my early-mid 20’s. We’d talk about books, political figures and she’d give her and Jack’s take. Then when I saw Trump as president and Melania as First Lady it disgusted me how far this country has fallen. Thank god I was born wealthy and already in my mid-60’s. This country is about to be taken over by the poorly educated and it either survives or goes down to dictatorship to save the culture of those people.
Peter! I'm scanning the comments and concur with these other folks. Your description of this last election is so thoroughly inaccurate that I had to listen to it twice to make sure I heard what you are saying. I certainly did vote with my wallet, and the illegal immigration, too.
Peter: Al Jazeera is a great source of news for anything outside of the Middle East. France 24 is great for news outside of France. also Peter: there is no way Trump will win the independents.
Lol no you didn't, tariffs will hurt your wallet and he has already admitted he won't be able to bring prices down And immigration is one of the issues zeihan was referring to
It’s weird to double down when you were so wrong about the election. I enjoy your content about anything other than us politics which you seem to consistently get wrong
Peter is in stage 4, "Pack one bag and get to the airport. Driver, step on it!" He's been consulting with the DoD and working with Ukraine (ostensibly with humanitarian aid, and that may actually be true) by his own admission. I think the investigations coming up next year may well reveal things that he could be uncomfortable with. That is pure speculation, but his "safely in another country" comment raised a red flag for me.
This isn't exactly true. In the wealthiest people tend to vote Democratic, it's been this way for a long time. For example, 9 of the 10 wealthiest counties voted for Obama in his first term even though he promised to raise their taxes. And this is the pattern we've been seeing for a while.
@@Biologist19681 Of course history shows the Democrat party moved the top tax rate to 91% and this didn't include state and local taxes. From FDR to Carter the Democrats took your income and farms like no other party.
It couldn't be that Kamala was just a horrible candidate and thats why she lost? Who knew robbing a party of their primary multiple times would have consequences.
Maybe PZ learned to decipher & understand her cackling? Or the strange ghetto/beatnik poetry speech patterns she uses. Maybe she's not a no-talent hack with zero charisma. 0 delegates 0 cares, am I right? HahAhAhaha!
No, he’s telling you that you voted against the issues surrounding folks in your income bracket. The MAGA crowd seems certain that voting Republican will somehow land them a spot on a reality tv show…
The US didnt vote with their wallets. This election was about bigotry and hate and Trump played it enough for the win. And no, it was no landslide - so there may be some hope! Republicans played it well!!
except both parties are actually the establishment given that they've been the two main parties the dominant force for well over a hundred years how are they not establishment how is one less establishment than the other they're not they are the establishment.
@@CAMcabal-h3c Hence my point. It is the uni-party. It is why you have Democrats voting for Republicans and Republicans voting Democrat. Trump is the outside force. I have no doubt they will re-settle there respective positions against each other at some point. It just won's be this year. But both are establishment as you note.
@@CAMcabal-h3c because one of them controls the majority of the major institutions in this country (media, academia, gov't agencies, most of the major corporations) and the other is just controlled opposition in terms of its leadership. The concept of left vs right was just the genius of the oligarchs that actually control everything, there never was right vs left, its always just been rich vs poor throughout all of human history, no difference now. All that we're seeing happening right now is that the leadership of the republican party has been overthrown by the populists (ie the people not in the top 1%) for now, we'll see how far this movement can go after Trump is gone though. Keep in mind that throughout history all revolutionaries are not made up of the bumbling masses of the poor, but the educated rich, that happen to not wield political power that harness and lead the poor masses, people like Trump.
Obviously Peter has never had the pleasure of living next to a two bedroom apartment occupied by 15 illegal immigrants. It influenced my vote for sure.
What you don't see is that corporate America just loves your new neighbors. Elon Musk, and everyone else down to that one man, one truck company mowing your yard needs new cheap, ignorant, compliant workers. And if they're illegally here, all the better. White, educated people are not making enough babies, don't do the dirty work. They need a replacement labor force to sell their toasters, clean their toilets, milk the cows, etc. Trump and others promise to deport them, and they will deport a few of the bad guys for window dressing, but that's it. Think back to 1987. Huge election issue with illegal migration then. What happened? A compromise allowed 30 million to stay, but from that point on, a law was passed as part of the compromise that all future workers had to prove with two forms of ID that they were a legal citizen. An employer has to keep that verification available for the federal government and if found they indeed hired someone illegal, they were subject to federal penalties and fines. Never enforced. It's a unity party that pits us all against each other. We don't go to church, so the Catholic Church and others love the Hispanic population. I see in my small town 90% of the Catholic church goers are hispanic. They can donate a whole lot more on an American wage than an El Salvador income. The Democratic party thrives on representing the working class, especially an oppressed one. History is just repeating itself. You're not seeing the bigger picture
I believe this is the point where someone calls you a racist, because there is no actual cogent answer possible to the illegal immigration issue you raise. Far easier to just call you names.
The point of the argument is that the data doesn't show that type of split with the working class voting differently than the working poor (when looking in the aggregate). At about 1:35, it is stated that it is odd. This is all to support his position that the factions in American politics haven't stopped moving yet.
This really tends to red pill people. And the people who weren't red pilled by Biden then got super red pilled by Harris. This is what we were voting for? There's nothing here. There's literally nothing left of Biden and there's even less with Harris.
I've been watching and reading Peter for years as I draw my opinions from a variety of sources. One thing I have come to learn is that at the end of the day, Peter is a political coward.
@@jrinutah I feel much the same. He is a good source in that he talks about critical issues not well covered in the mainstream press, if at all. I often disagree with his prognostications. I'm not sure he is a political coward. He pretty consistently follows the center-left establishment line, but you may be right. Maybe that is what a coward is.
There are the trailer park supporters, but most of the vocal supporters are owners of big farms, owners of small businesses, and suburban high up office workers who drive big pickup trucks and have plenty of money.
@exeter1588 Peter often criticizes the effects of his political leanings but never places the blame where it truly belongs, on the policies of his chosen orthodoxy. His blind allegiance to the corrupt state of Ukraine and feigned ignorance of the globalist agenda at play is but one example.
This guy is very much looking to make arguments that are palatable to incumbent mid to high level administrators in the US government or to businesses that are going to spend on his content. He is going to placate to the neoliberal old guard until Trump takes office and then when that is the new fashion he will focus on making content that in some counterintuitive way praises Trump / his policies while also insulting him, and using absolutely tortured economic analysis to do so.
Except that the it was the perception of the economy and immigration that caused the voting. Not so much the reality. Hence the tik Tok broligarchy buying trump the election by massahing the imagen of the economy and twisting vague trumpists solutions to fit particular fever dreams if low information voters.
Well I don't think he was saying it wasn't a factor I think what he's really trying to say is simply that though it factored in it might not have been as big of a factor is what we're led to believe. which I can see that I mean it's like the illegal immigrant dick wag this is a fake argument that's raged on since the very last of Clinton meanwhile the Republicans have done all kinds of handout situations for the illegals even though they pretend they don't want them here might I remind you that George Bush Jr did DACA. so it begs the question if under Trump they really do carry out the deportations let's say we really do get these people out of here let's say that they don't come back and thus problem is solved Well okay that's good because well they're illegal they shouldn't be here but what are they going to blame for everything then? I mean there are those in economic circles when they talk about the housing market they talk about both sides of the housing market it's you know buying a house or renting and they say that these illegals have caused a big uptick in demand which means that the prices are high and so their theory is that if you stripped out these people that you would strip out the demand and thus they claim that the price is on homes and of course rent would drop. and today I say that's a nice entertaining theory but it's actually bullshit and the reason being is because well you know the taxes are assessed based on the last value that was given of those homes and those tax assessments are on a schedule of 3 to 5 years so the property taxes would still remain high meaning the rent would still remain high The price of the home wouldn't necessarily drop either simply because higher priced homes especially hitch to the back of higher taxes is usually reserved for those with more money that that's technically what that area is trying to attract it's some point you could get those values to adjust downward at some point enough existing residents in any given area would bitch that the value of the house may had dropped and so they're going to want their taxes lowered but if you get a city accounting whatever that is willing to do that the problem there is it's only temporary That's what happened here in my central Ohio county back in 17 they did eventually drop the taxes but I can tell you this it didn't result in cheaper rent and it sure as hell didn't result in lower home values in fact it had quite the opposite effect which was now the home values went up because you wanted to live in the area where there's cheaper taxes it's a sales gimmick it's something that the real estate agent can sell you on the house so it's a double-edged sword an area with higher land values and higher taxes tend to get the wealthy people in there but then at the same time the wealthy people start looking for discounts and well the cheaper taxes become that discount and so that entices them to buy anything is basically used to entice you to buy rent is kind of similar situation. . you know if the area's got a lot of parks if the area is you know set up with this set of amenities if the apartment complex itself has a certain set of amenities etc etc then well they can command a price for all of that that's exactly why they're offering it and then of course yeah that also induces higher taxes so that alone pads of the bill of rent it's not any cheaper so removing the immigrants legal or not is not going to do jack shit for the price if the price is go down it's simply because the big boys the conglomerates quit buying shit up and they're no longer contributing to the propping up of prices in any given area because that's exactly what's happening.
I mean, it wasnt. Not the real facts anyways. They voted on how they felt about it, IE empty hate towards immigrants and the feeling that inflation was getting worse instead of getting under control. The real facts were that immigration helped the economy, the economy was recovering before companies decided it was a good time to do mass layoffs post-covid, and inflation was being brought under control (slowly, because most of it was caused by corporate greed, not immigration or shipping concerns, but there was progress). But people believed specious horseshit, and backed the cause of the problem rather than a bad solution (or more likely just didnt vote at all, which is more or less the same in this case).
@@robdowns9339Nothing conservative about him. Knowledge of war is suspect too, claimed Russia the winner when Putin started his SMO... hasn't turned out to be anything near reality. Only thing he seems to clearly understand is the frac'ing process and its implications on geopolitics.
Not really the majority of Americans don’t vote. Hard to say either part represents issues most Americans care about…but not enough to get them to vote.
Its because even as insular as the Amish community may be, the State is encroaching on their lives incrementally and they being no frogs; can feel the water getting warm and they don't like it enough to get involved in things they abhor.
@vicmontes7314 Yes, I understand. My grandmother's family are of Amish tradition. More so than any other group in the US I can think of, it takes a lot for them to break with tradition. I would think a politician from Pennsylvania, like Joe Biden, would know that?
Problem with people like him is he doesn't understand what it feels like to not have a career. Our political class in general is driven by careerism. When they look at us normies they imagine our lack of careerism and imagine it means we must be more focused on our consumption based lifestyles. He just doesn't get that a sizable portion of us don't really think of money all that much. For a lot of us you figure out your budget when you're 1 year out of college and never really look back. For a lot of us our minds are preoccupied with other things. My breaking point was when I realized I was homesick for the pre-migration city I use to live in. Homesickness isn't a trivial thing, avoiding the feeling of being far from home is one of the biggest factors in economic geography. Most people don't want to move from home unless they're getting a boat load of money. You subtract wild wages out of the equation and the majority of people want to live near home and feel like they're living near home. It's not just an issue of immigration, honestly if it's Catholics from mexico who cares. It's the duality of both migrants flooding in from asia, and the school system/far left just changing the culture. A culture war implies the dominant culture in a society is in contest. It's not a contest for control over culture. It's people wanting to feel like the sacrifieces they made to stay closer to home were not for nothing.EDIT: technology/covid is a huge factor in this. It's not nostalgia for the past, nostalgia implies a novel feeling that eventually goes away. It's about the motivational structure of your brain. Humans are motivated for outcomes. When money is no longer important in your motivational structure, other things become radically more important. I'd rather my favorite pair of jeans, over a new pair. I'd rather my favorite coffee shop over some new chain etc. The level of sociological change that has occured since 2006ish(rise of social media) is just impossible to appreciate.
Sound to me like Peter missed the boat back in 2016. That's when both parties had a revolution and disgarded their old line of party favorites, The aftermath has gone on since with certain sub groups redefining their true values. Life ain't as simple as Peter would like to believe sometimes.
What?? Not just Hillary, but both Biden and Harris were CLEARLY Dem party favorites. Dem delegates *tried* to have a revolution with Sanders in 2016, but failed. They'll go with another party favorite in 2024, because they have not had the revolution the Reps had in 2016, and they won't.
The change in American politics that Peter is talking about happened in 2016. Peter doesn't hobnob with the working class in Aspen or Switzerland or whatever gorgeous local he is in. Let's have Peter stand in front of a Love's Truck Stop for once.
Alternate video title: 50's aged Man-bun sporting University Professor "independent" with stage 3 TDS on a permanent vacation life of leisure gives insightful objective analysis of American elections.
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You have have the nicest comment section possible for how much out of touch you are about US internal affair. People respect your international analysis enough to just not toss you out, even with such bad takes around Trump election.
Maybe we should look into his international analysis more closely. I think Russia already fell to the Ukraine by this time in his predictions along with China.
no such thing, being leftist simply means being in touch with reality, right wingers only listen to your demagogues because you are all rubes, being played by the corporate elites !!
Read the room, Pete. I think most of us respect your analysis and explanation of geopolitics, but in all honesty, I think your dead wrong about the last election cycle. I think most people voted because either there is an issue that the left went too far on, or groceries were far beyond the pail I personally know fiercely independent people, (like never voted for a major party types) who went for Trump because they have children in school and they didnt want them competing against people of the opposite sex or changing in the locker roo. around people of the opposite sex. Also, their grocery bill was through the roof.
@MinecraftCRASHED The French Revolution was largely fueled by the fact that Bread prices became out of reach for the common man. One revolution later, the fall of the French Republic was also fuled by (although less so) the fact that Bread prices were once again getting out of control. Groceries have been shown to topple Monarchies and Republics alike.
@@robbycook4298the problem with this assessment is that all evidence points to Peter being an establishment Republican from before the party disintegration (~2008). If there is an obvious blind spot, it is that as a believer in systems Peter felt Trump's disdain for nearly all parts of America government and institutions would push enough people away. Like with other news about healthcare, the anger of Americans was under estimated.
The people were tired of being gaslit by credentialed academics and experts. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt due to TDS. Now I think you're just unable to assess things that aren't determined by geography or demographics.
Peter is just another one of the water carriers for the crowd that inflicted this on us, that is attempting to gas light me because he hasn't been paying my cost of living bills the last 4 years We voted the way we did because their gas lighting propaganda techniques weren't sufficient vis-a-vis the actual reality people are dealing with
The unfortunate part is that the people have no way of determining bullshit from the truth on their own. They are no longer listening to experts that may have an agenda, and instead listening to raw unadulterated grifters spouting nonsense like tariffs lowering inflation. We had a problem (a poorly informed public) but the direction we are going is just making that worse not better.
No shade toward Peter, but I think you have the correct (or at least the most correst) assessment. Want to know where to build the next lithium refinery complex? Ask Peter. Want to know what will happen in politics? Find out what peter thinks and plan for the opposite.
The point isn't about how individuals voted based on specific issues. It is about how people that have the same cultural identifiers and economic issues did not in the aggregate vote the same way. As noted at 1:35, it is odd that most groups were split down the middle. The argument is that groups are redefining themselves internally and in relation to the national parties.
I think the majority of our nation is center/slightly right leaning. The current administration just moved too far to the left and alienated the moderates.
wasnt really the administration, was media, especially social media, and various institutions. if anything, the id say the administration has been too far right..
Don't hate too much on him. His opinions and analysis are usually pretty good, and even if you don't agree with the line of thinking or conclusions, it's a different, thoughtful perspective that broadens peoples views on a situation. I find him a useful chap and will keep listening. Thanks, Peter.
Peter, if you believe your own title on this one, then you are smoking some pretty outstanding stuff, incredibly better than what I happen to smoke, and I don't know anyone since 1977 that gets their hands on better stuff than I do!!
The problem is, until recently, the republican party has been led by the Bush's and their ilk. So, as an independent, I always voted who I felt was less sucky at that time. It took Trump to get me to vote Republican multiple electuons in a row. I'll stay an independent, because there's still a deep rot in the Republican party that may usurp and sabotage his presidency and we don't know if Vance is a wolf in sheep's clothing yet. I know I'll never vote democrat again, but if the rino's take back over then I will just stop voting since I currently live in a solid red state, my state and local politicians will always be Republican with or without my vote. Federal problems here are only tax related.
As someone so eloquently put it in another comment section "more people are fighting over less"... Thats the economic reality and that's what people voted against
I love Peter and his videos, but what I love the most is how transparent his pandering videos are, like this and how easy they are to dismiss from the rest.
CPA/economist here: Disagree Peter. Inflation affects EVERYONE, all income levels. That's why people voted the way they did. One party is more responsible for inflation than the other. Both are bad though, along with the Federal Reserve.
So when Peter says voting with the wallet he means on average. However eggs are literally over 100% more expensive than when Biden toots office so he’s just not realizing that for people where daily use goods…. Food/gas/soap etc are a disproportionate amount of their budget we’ve felt way more then 25% inflation
Eggs are still an incredibly inexpensive source of protein. And oh, when the price of eggs go high, country folks set up chicken coops and sell their eggs at farmer's markets. I lived next door to a gal that kept chickens, and that rooster would always wake me up.
@ right the go to source of protein for the destitute have over doubled In price in 4 years. Peter doesn’t comprehend that this is exhibit A of Americans voting with their wallets.
It's a new world. People are more concerned with getting positive results instead of being told what will be done for them and not following through. And the culture wars do matter when one party is more concerned with social engineering their particular ideology than helping the working man have a better life.
Correct. Nobody cares that you "tried real hard". What have you actually accomplished. Trump sends out a tweet or makes a speech and he's already influencing global policy in real time as a private citizen. Trump makes it look easy. For him it is. He doesn't have to "try real hard" because he's that good. And then he says things like "I could end this war in 24 hours" and people mock him. How could you possibly, when all our best and brightest couldn't end it even though they tried real hard?
@mitchmontona I didn't vote for him because I want him to care. I voted for a change from what has been going on for the last four years. Trump performed well in his first term. Y'all can rag on Trump and his supporters but enough people voted for him who had previously voted for Biden to tell you the majority was dissatisfied.
Watch France 24 for every thing outside of Europe, Al jazerea for everything outside of the Middle East, and Peter Zeihan for everything outside of the USA.
Both immigration and inflation are identity/cultural issues - at least in this cycle. When the Starbucks, Amazon, WalMart, and Big Auto strikes keep happening though 2025 we’ll see how things shake out with Trump. Most construction/real estate industry unions have been established and surviving for a long time. We haven’t seen real mass unionizing action in the manufacturing, transportation and retail sectors in 50 years - and neither has Donald.
I am a big fan, but this was not good. We have seen larger political and larger economic upheavals as a country. But since you didn't say anything except, that change is coming and it will be uncomfortable, when is there not change and when is it comfortable. Your own video about a two-party system, first-to-the-post wins, shows money and power will always move to the zeitgeist of the voter, not the other way around.
The copium is strong here. His distaste for Trump really affects his evaluation and rationalization of data and outcomes. Trump simply could not win in any scenario with rational voting populace. So the electorate clearly voted irrationally (I.e. without regard for their economic interests). I can’t quite make sense of his distaste for Musk. Except maybe that since Zeihan favors suppression of speech (“content moderation”) and Musk largely doesn’t. 🤷♂️Oh well. I know to take his prognostications with some serious grains of salt.
You can tell if your understanding of the world is correct by using it to predict things. President Harris' election shows us how well Peter understands U.S. politics. Merry Christmas
The only issue that has legs is immigration, especially the current situation with folks overrunning to border to become "asylum applicants". Biden was totally out to lunch on this issue.
Thanks Peter. As a historian, this is going to be more interesting than I initially thought. It should be remembered that the US had not created something like the Bretton Woods/Truman Doctrine system before in its history. Americans abandoning a system with such huge impact is new ground as will be the politics.
There has been a very strange cultural alliance between the Democrat party and big business of the likes we have never seen before in the US. During the pandemic, who was out there defending big pharma? Democrats. More recently they have been seen, mulitple times, leaping to the defense of giant corporate brands like Disney, and Bud Light, and Jaguar thanks to a very narrow list of culture war related issues. Never mind the very real questions concerning how sincere any of these corporations really are about these cultural issues, the issues themselves should have never been enough to overcome the core left's general allergy to the concentration of wealth and power in these capitalist behemoths. Peter is right about one thing, this alliance will never last. It's an aberration, an abomination, and it's very interesting to observe. The whole world is getting weirder and wierder.
I still voted for Harris, but I really didn't want to vote for her. If I weren't in a swing state, I would've probably done a protest vote for Cornel West. The Democratic party establishment has just sold themselves out so much to the billionaire class, but Trump and Musk are clearly incompetent and their policies will just make the divide between the rich and poor even larger. Meanwhile, people will just keep blaming trans people and immigrants for their problems. I just have so little hope in the big picture. I'm just going to find people trying to make things better where I live and do what I can locally.
So, yes, as a voter who voted based on issues and not income, I agree that the culture war is pertinent. But I also know a lot of people who have really been affected under Bidenomics.
Wow, the first video where, in my humble opinion, you're just babbling. So, trying to cover for your terrible election prediction? Thats the thing about being a con artist. Eventually the future comes...
You either votes *for* the DC Security Blob, or you voted *against* the DC Security Blob. Now that we spend more on interest payments than defense, NATO and the Security Blob are in terminal decline.
Democrats left the American working class when Obama sold them out to pharma and the health care industry under the completely gas lit name of ACA. they wanted money and the typical voter could never satisfy their needs but Wall Street could. It took a billionaire to try to change the direction of the Republican party, let us hope that it works as the working class needs representation
Trump who does know how to read the room coopted the Tea Party movement that began during the Obama administration. This conservative populist movement was making inroads prior, but Trump supercharged it and the work progressives threw gasoline on it. With Musk and Trump we hope we the people can hold our government accountable to serve us, and not just the donor class.
I wish he would sit down with anyone on the opposite side for 2-3 hours and discuss his opinions on what happened. These short form videos where he says things like "The mess we are in..." just come off as whiny. He is obviously knowledgeable and intelligent. Go talk with someone else who is intelligent and also disagrees with you.
They voted for Trump who’s going to increase inflation and then add tariffs on top. At least Peter’s throwing darts, your throwing a glass of water at the dart board 😂
@@protorhinocerator142you mean in 4 years when democrats are back in office? 😂 go look at the national debt under Trumps first term. I’ll wait little bro.
@technologic21 Australians seem like really rad people. But, it seems like you'd need a wilderness guide to follow you everywhere so the wildlife won't kill you.
Um, what? The labor groups just didn't think the democrats represented them anymore, and wanted Bernie, and failing that they started following Trump. How is that not economic identity? It's the working class that shifted. Just because the shift isn't compete doesn't mean it isn't about the economy.
I think it's more an inflection point right now. We're at this equilibrium where a person's income level has negligible predictive power for their voting preferences. It could go a lot of different directions from here, but this is probably the peak malleability stage of the political re-alignment. Peter's tone here is condescending and obnoxious, but that doesn't mean what he's saying here is incorrect. Though I think Peter Zeihan's self-identification as an "independent" is outdated. If some of his other videos are correct, then the "independents" voted with the democrats for the last 3 congressional cycles, which means they're no longer really independents. I think if Peter Zeihan had his way, the Greens and Liberal college grads would unite with the Business community and National Security people into a single party, though that on its own would probably not be a viable party, so they'd have to include Blacks, LGBT people and maybe a few other groups as a votebank. That would fit neatly into his self-professed Atlanticist worldview.
Um. Inflation and illegal immigration were the #1 and #2 reasons people voted. I've seen no other data that conflicted with that.
yeah people were broke af, which is why post election a bunch of vacations and xmas sales records were set. Inflation was a smokescreen for bigotry and hatred.
He was referring to the interest voting blocks. As Corporate interest groups and Union groups both largely voted for Trump. Which doesn't normally happen as they tend to vote in opposition to each other. So while yes individual main points in voting were inflation and migration, the organised vote blocks were different.
It's a matter of perspective for the difference. Individual vs Group always tend to hold differing matters of importance.
@@Targe0 Corporate interests largely backed Harris (and Biden), hence the massive fundraising gap.
Everything Trump is talking about will make inflation way higher, when it was coming down. Y'all voted against yourselves.🤡😂
His bias for the machine is showing
What Peter lacks in knowledge he makes up for in confidence.
This can't be said enough. The pundit/analyst class has moved away from growing their substance to developing their tone.
This is coming from the side that believes hurricanes are man made….
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I notice a real decline in the quality of the comments since Peter moved Pro with his subscription first format. But I agree with you about his knowledge/confidence. Still he teaches me a lot with every video. Predicting the future is a fool’s game, but we all do it. We have to.
Domestic politics are not your thing. Thanks for the other stuff, though.
seemed pretty simple to digest to me
Foreign policy is also not his thing.
Maybe you dont understand your own domestic politics, this is also an option.
You hear something you don't like and you chop it up as fake news. Typical Trump supporter.
@@jonpaulbruner7983Then your delusional bud…Jon, you need some help on learning how to actually critically think like Peter who is unable to be objective when it comes to American politics…he is a establishment democrat…100%.
Zeihan’s political rumination is more amusing than insightful. 😂
He managed to be insightful about the onset of the Ukraine war, global fragmentation, and that Iran would demur when it came to a wider war in the Middle East.
why do "americans" always seethe at Zeihan's domestic videos but everyone else says his foreign ones are accurate representations? I think something's going on with the "americans" in these comments section
His foreign politics is almost as bad, it's simply a function of his being ensconced in the US establishment and its globalist cronies. He's good on geopolitical fundamentals but hopeless on anything cultural because everyone he knows is benefiting from the West's cultural decline.
@@bobby13730 Zeihan appears to be correct when taking geopolitical snapshots from 25,000 ft. but he's not alway right. When he's commenting on American politics, he's out of touch. In the US, the political world has turned upside down wherein the GOP has apparently become the party of the working class and right wing populism; the Democrat party is now the party of the elites, academia and leftist progressivism. Zeihan claims to be Independent but it's obvious from his comments that he voted Blue for the candidate who couldn't separate herself from our dementia-impaired President's policies nor articulate a straight answer to questions posed to her.
@@bobby13730 because hes right about one and wrong about the other. not too hard to understand.
How do you keep getting it wrong?
He's American. It's a tradition going back generations.
@@michaeldowson6988 As an American, I concur.
Because Peter lives in a liberal bubble and interacts with business people across the globe. He goes to parties where the sentences sometimes start with, "Well, everyone agrees...", just like in Hollywood.
I mean, does it occurr to anyone else that Kamala lost simply bcz the nation is just.....dumb ? 🤔
@@rigust12 ”everyone who disagrees with me is dumb” is not good analysis
Every time Peter mentions he is an independent, I chuckle.
He's described himself as a "European green". So lefty environmentalist.
@@blakegoulds8313 Green on the outside, red and seedy inside.
@@blakegoulds8313 The same people who have crashed the European economies btw.
He is woke no matter how he votes. Bet he would vote Harris/Walz again in 2028.
Independent ha! He’s a leftist that doesn’t require daily orders from communist central command in order to tow the party line. We know .
I used to like it better before Peter was wrong a lot.
Einstein was wrong and laughed.
His analysis of the entire Ukraine situation was off the charts wrong
Why would sign up to get the wrong answer sooner? I am fine waiting a few weeks, he is entertaining...
Zeihan's strength has been geopolitics, not US politics.
@@tomatobagel Let me rephrase your comment for everyone. Until Pete start loving Trump, I will consider most of what he says wrong. I was thinking recently about spending time with Jackie Kennedy on Martha’s Vineyard in my early-mid 20’s. We’d talk about books, political figures and she’d give her and Jack’s take. Then when I saw Trump as president and Melania as First Lady it disgusted me how far this country has fallen. Thank god I was born wealthy and already in my mid-60’s. This country is about to be taken over by the poorly educated and it either survives or goes down to dictatorship to save the culture of those people.
Peter! I'm scanning the comments and concur with these other folks. Your description of this last election is so thoroughly inaccurate that I had to listen to it twice to make sure I heard what you are saying. I certainly did vote with my wallet, and the illegal immigration, too.
Peter: Al Jazeera is a great source of news for anything outside of the Middle East. France 24 is great for news outside of France.
also Peter: there is no way Trump will win the independents.
Lol no you didn't, tariffs will hurt your wallet and he has already admitted he won't be able to bring prices down
And immigration is one of the issues zeihan was referring to
@willhudson5625 So getting rid of the party that allowed this horrible inflation to happen wasn't voting with my wallet?
@@jacobforeman9916 not how the economy works, zeihan is not considering voters with inconsistent views, honestly to his analysis' detriment
Peter encouraged big spending from the Democratic party which he supports highly@@willhudson5625
It’s weird to double down when you were so wrong about the election. I enjoy your content about anything other than us politics which you seem to consistently get wrong
It appears Peter has moved to Stage Two: Bargaining.
Stage Three is Anger.
Nah, he’s stage 3 for sure. Seems like he’s pretty pissed.
Look mom! I found it! I found cope!
He doesn't understand that it takes more than money to make life work. Can he admit there are only 2 genders and that's really important?
Peter is in stage 4, "Pack one bag and get to the airport. Driver, step on it!"
He's been consulting with the DoD and working with Ukraine (ostensibly with humanitarian aid, and that may actually be true) by his own admission. I think the investigations coming up next year may well reveal things that he could be uncomfortable with. That is pure speculation, but his "safely in another country" comment raised a red flag for me.
Stages dont go in order and they also circle back.
Sorry Pete, you failed miserably on this subject. Stay in your lane.
please keep your Xitter-tier replies to Xitter, little sister
What lane is that exactly?He's wrong on most foreign affairs.
What is your lane? If you even have one.
Zeihan needs to CUT THE CRAP about the DOMESTIC POLITICS = dumb-and-dumber ! ...silly!
You're so mad
Apparently Peter Zeihan hasn't lost enough credibilty yet to make his opinions totally irrelevant... but he's getting there.
PZ, "me not wrong, America wrong". "Voters voted wrong".
@@michaelbizon444 That's because Peter knows he is one of the "enlightened ones" who knows more than almost anyone else.
He's counting on those Patreon users floating him since TH-cam wasn't cutting it for him. We'll see how long that lasts.
@@michaelrunnels7660 my Pomeranian knows more than 99% of the maga's i know !
@@herchelleonwood7463 You have a wonderful Pomeranian. Keep listening to him for your knowledge and insight.
This isn't exactly true. In the wealthiest people tend to vote Democratic, it's been this way for a long time. For example, 9 of the 10 wealthiest counties voted for Obama in his first term even though he promised to raise their taxes. And this is the pattern we've been seeing for a while.
Wealthy vote for Democrats, but the wealthiest vote for Trump bc of tax breaks
In 2020 Dems won 16 of the top 20 wealthiest counties in the US. I haven’t seen 2024 yet.
Wasn’t the case a long time ago but the parties are shifting, as well as the labels conservative/liberal.
Haha yeah what he said. Don't expect tax cuts...
@@Biologist19681 Of course history shows the Democrat party moved the top tax rate to 91% and this didn't include state and local taxes. From FDR to Carter the Democrats took your income and farms like no other party.
It couldn't be that Kamala was just a horrible candidate and thats why she lost? Who knew robbing a party of their primary multiple times would have consequences.
Maybe PZ learned to decipher & understand her cackling? Or the strange ghetto/beatnik poetry speech patterns she uses. Maybe she's not a no-talent hack with zero charisma. 0 delegates 0 cares, am I right? HahAhAhaha!
Yep. Don't annoint a candidate. The last two annointed Dem candidates, Hillary and Harris, lost.
She was great. Those are just your women issues flaring up.
@@wecoolwecoolbounce5191keep that attitude we need California next time
Found the conservative
A guy on a permanent vacation who eats out every day tells us we didn't vote our wallets?
That doesn't refute his argument. None of Trumps policies are showing to be able to reduce prices lmfao
No, he’s telling you that you voted against the issues surrounding folks in your income bracket.
The MAGA crowd seems certain that voting Republican will somehow land them a spot on a reality tv show…
Voters vote with their silly emotions not what's best for America.
The US didnt vote with their wallets. This election was about bigotry and hate and Trump played it enough for the win. And no, it was no landslide - so there may be some hope! Republicans played it well!!
attacking the person presenting arguments and data doesn't refute them
What polling has he looked at? Maybe CNN? Or MSNBC? I know PBS.
Ann Seltzer's poll
What you are getting wrong, Peter, is that it is no longer Republican versus Democrat or left versus right. It is populist versus establishment now.
You're getting warmer.
Which is why Democrat RFK Jr was an instant fit on the Trump Train.
except both parties are actually the establishment given that they've been the two main parties the dominant force for well over a hundred years how are they not establishment how is one less establishment than the other they're not they are the establishment.
@@CAMcabal-h3c Hence my point. It is the uni-party. It is why you have Democrats voting for Republicans and Republicans voting Democrat. Trump is the outside force. I have no doubt they will re-settle there respective positions against each other at some point. It just won's be this year. But both are establishment as you note.
@@CAMcabal-h3c because one of them controls the majority of the major institutions in this country (media, academia, gov't agencies, most of the major corporations) and the other is just controlled opposition in terms of its leadership. The concept of left vs right was just the genius of the oligarchs that actually control everything, there never was right vs left, its always just been rich vs poor throughout all of human history, no difference now. All that we're seeing happening right now is that the leadership of the republican party has been overthrown by the populists (ie the people not in the top 1%) for now, we'll see how far this movement can go after Trump is gone though. Keep in mind that throughout history all revolutionaries are not made up of the bumbling masses of the poor, but the educated rich, that happen to not wield political power that harness and lead the poor masses, people like Trump.
Obviously Peter has never had the pleasure of living next to a two bedroom apartment occupied by 15 illegal immigrants. It influenced my vote for sure.
Neither have you.
What you don't see is that corporate America just loves your new neighbors. Elon Musk, and everyone else down to that one man, one truck company mowing your yard needs new cheap, ignorant, compliant workers. And if they're illegally here, all the better. White, educated people are not making enough babies, don't do the dirty work. They need a replacement labor force to sell their toasters, clean their toilets, milk the cows, etc. Trump and others promise to deport them, and they will deport a few of the bad guys for window dressing, but that's it. Think back to 1987. Huge election issue with illegal migration then. What happened? A compromise allowed 30 million to stay, but from that point on, a law was passed as part of the compromise that all future workers had to prove with two forms of ID that they were a legal citizen. An employer has to keep that verification available for the federal government and if found they indeed hired someone illegal, they were subject to federal penalties and fines. Never enforced. It's a unity party that pits us all against each other. We don't go to church, so the Catholic Church and others love the Hispanic population. I see in my small town 90% of the Catholic church goers are hispanic. They can donate a whole lot more on an American wage than an El Salvador income. The Democratic party thrives on representing the working class, especially an oppressed one. History is just repeating itself. You're not seeing the bigger picture
I believe this is the point where someone calls you a racist, because there is no actual cogent answer possible to the illegal immigration issue you raise. Far easier to just call you names.
The point of the argument is that the data doesn't show that type of split with the working class voting differently than the working poor (when looking in the aggregate). At about 1:35, it is stated that it is odd. This is all to support his position that the factions in American politics haven't stopped moving yet.
This really tends to red pill people.
And the people who weren't red pilled by Biden then got super red pilled by Harris.
This is what we were voting for? There's nothing here. There's literally nothing left of Biden and there's even less with Harris.
pretty sure America was ready to be unburdened by what has been.
Well, when there is nothing in your wallet, I guess you have nothing to lose. Do you ever tire of being wrong?
I've been watching and reading Peter for years as I draw my opinions from a variety of sources.
One thing I have come to learn is that at the end of the day, Peter is a political coward.
@@jrinutah I feel much the same. He is a good source in that he talks about critical issues not well covered in the mainstream press, if at all. I often disagree with his prognostications. I'm not sure he is a political coward. He pretty consistently follows the center-left establishment line, but you may be right. Maybe that is what a coward is.
There are the trailer park supporters, but most of the vocal supporters are owners of big farms, owners of small businesses, and suburban high up office workers who drive big pickup trucks and have plenty of money.
You that broke? Try harder. Learn a useful trade.
@exeter1588 Peter often criticizes the effects of his political leanings but never places the blame where it truly belongs, on the policies of his chosen orthodoxy. His blind allegiance to the corrupt state of Ukraine and feigned ignorance of the globalist agenda at play is but one example.
oh man taking income voting data and saying that means the economy(immigration/inflation) wasn't a causal factor in the election is wild.
This guy is very much looking to make arguments that are palatable to incumbent mid to high level administrators in the US government or to businesses that are going to spend on his content. He is going to placate to the neoliberal old guard until Trump takes office and then when that is the new fashion he will focus on making content that in some counterintuitive way praises Trump / his policies while also insulting him, and using absolutely tortured economic analysis to do so.
It says a lot when you get the amish fired up!!!
Except that the it was the perception of the economy and immigration that caused the voting. Not so much the reality. Hence the tik Tok broligarchy buying trump the election by massahing the imagen of the economy and twisting vague trumpists solutions to fit particular fever dreams if low information voters.
Well I don't think he was saying it wasn't a factor I think what he's really trying to say is simply that though it factored in it might not have been as big of a factor is what we're led to believe.
which I can see that I mean it's like the illegal immigrant dick wag this is a fake argument that's raged on since the very last of Clinton meanwhile the Republicans have done all kinds of handout situations for the illegals even though they pretend they don't want them here might I remind you that George Bush Jr did DACA.
so it begs the question if under Trump they really do carry out the deportations let's say we really do get these people out of here let's say that they don't come back and thus problem is solved Well okay that's good because well they're illegal they shouldn't be here but what are they going to blame for everything then?
I mean there are those in economic circles when they talk about the housing market they talk about both sides of the housing market it's you know buying a house or renting and they say that these illegals have caused a big uptick in demand which means that the prices are high and so their theory is that if you stripped out these people that you would strip out the demand and thus they claim that the price is on homes and of course rent would drop.
and today I say that's a nice entertaining theory but it's actually bullshit and the reason being is because well you know the taxes are assessed based on the last value that was given of those homes and those tax assessments are on a schedule of 3 to 5 years so the property taxes would still remain high meaning the rent would still remain high The price of the home wouldn't necessarily drop either simply because higher priced homes especially hitch to the back of higher taxes is usually reserved for those with more money that that's technically what that area is trying to attract it's some point you could get those values to adjust downward at some point enough existing residents in any given area would bitch that the value of the house may had dropped and so they're going to want their taxes lowered but if you get a city accounting whatever that is willing to do that the problem there is it's only temporary That's what happened here in my central Ohio county back in 17 they did eventually drop the taxes but I can tell you this it didn't result in cheaper rent and it sure as hell didn't result in lower home values in fact it had quite the opposite effect which was now the home values went up because you wanted to live in the area where there's cheaper taxes it's a sales gimmick it's something that the real estate agent can sell you on the house so it's a double-edged sword an area with higher land values and higher taxes tend to get the wealthy people in there but then at the same time the wealthy people start looking for discounts and well the cheaper taxes become that discount and so that entices them to buy anything is basically used to entice you to buy rent is kind of similar situation. .
you know if the area's got a lot of parks if the area is you know set up with this set of amenities if the apartment complex itself has a certain set of amenities etc etc then well they can command a price for all of that that's exactly why they're offering it and then of course yeah that also induces higher taxes so that alone pads of the bill of rent it's not any cheaper so removing the immigrants legal or not is not going to do jack shit for the price if the price is go down it's simply because the big boys the conglomerates quit buying shit up and they're no longer contributing to the propping up of prices in any given area because that's exactly what's happening.
I mean, it wasnt. Not the real facts anyways. They voted on how they felt about it, IE empty hate towards immigrants and the feeling that inflation was getting worse instead of getting under control.
The real facts were that immigration helped the economy, the economy was recovering before companies decided it was a good time to do mass layoffs post-covid, and inflation was being brought under control (slowly, because most of it was caused by corporate greed, not immigration or shipping concerns, but there was progress).
But people believed specious horseshit, and backed the cause of the problem rather than a bad solution (or more likely just didnt vote at all, which is more or less the same in this case).
Peter claiming he is an independent is hilarious.
He is a neocon.
@@robdowns9339 No he's not, he's a closet liberal.
😂
@@robdowns9339Nothing conservative about him. Knowledge of war is suspect too, claimed Russia the winner when Putin started his SMO... hasn't turned out to be anything near reality.
Only thing he seems to clearly understand is the frac'ing process and its implications on geopolitics.
He is. Not liking Trump doesn't make one a Dem. Even old school Repubs hate Trump.
He definitely is.
Issues that Americans don't care about?
Either you are truly out of touch or absolutely hilarious, one of the two. 😊
Here’s where dumb people like you crap your pants and start flailing 😂🤣
Culture ware is pointless, people want to be able to live.
Not really the majority of Americans don’t vote. Hard to say either part represents issues most Americans care about…but not enough to get them to vote.
@davidradtke160 total vote was over 151 million votes. Total population over 18, 258 million.
So the majority of American voters vote.
@davidradtke160 actually a majority of eligible voters did vote. About 89 million stayed home.
I bet his theories make a lot more sense inside the bubble he's insulated himself with. The Amish, who never vote, voted against the incumbents.
I saw them numbers, I was impressed, that's when I knew white fear is really kicking in. They really showed up.
Its because even as insular as the Amish community may be, the State is encroaching on their lives incrementally and they being no frogs; can feel the water getting warm and they don't like it enough to get involved in things they abhor.
@vicmontes7314 Yes, I understand. My grandmother's family are of Amish tradition. More so than any other group in the US I can think of, it takes a lot for them to break with tradition. I would think a politician from Pennsylvania, like Joe Biden, would know that?
@@Brian-Ahavah I don't think Joe is thinking about much at all these days. Insiders suggest he isn't really functioning.
The Amish started to get persecuted/ prosecuted through the raw milk laws angle, and the made their statement.
These are getting worse
Election broke his cia brain
Problem with people like him is he doesn't understand what it feels like to not have a career. Our political class in general is driven by careerism. When they look at us normies they imagine our lack of careerism and imagine it means we must be more focused on our consumption based lifestyles. He just doesn't get that a sizable portion of us don't really think of money all that much. For a lot of us you figure out your budget when you're 1 year out of college and never really look back. For a lot of us our minds are preoccupied with other things. My breaking point was when I realized I was homesick for the pre-migration city I use to live in. Homesickness isn't a trivial thing, avoiding the feeling of being far from home is one of the biggest factors in economic geography. Most people don't want to move from home unless they're getting a boat load of money. You subtract wild wages out of the equation and the majority of people want to live near home and feel like they're living near home. It's not just an issue of immigration, honestly if it's Catholics from mexico who cares. It's the duality of both migrants flooding in from asia, and the school system/far left just changing the culture. A culture war implies the dominant culture in a society is in contest. It's not a contest for control over culture. It's people wanting to feel like the sacrifieces they made to stay closer to home were not for nothing.EDIT: technology/covid is a huge factor in this. It's not nostalgia for the past, nostalgia implies a novel feeling that eventually goes away. It's about the motivational structure of your brain. Humans are motivated for outcomes. When money is no longer important in your motivational structure, other things become radically more important. I'd rather my favorite pair of jeans, over a new pair. I'd rather my favorite coffee shop over some new chain etc. The level of sociological change that has occured since 2006ish(rise of social media) is just impossible to appreciate.
yup
Sound to me like Peter missed the boat back in 2016. That's when both parties had a revolution and disgarded their old line of party favorites, The aftermath has gone on since with certain sub groups redefining their true values. Life ain't as simple as Peter would like to believe sometimes.
I'm curious Dave, what was the party favorite for the Dems in 2016? Hillary sure seemed like a party favorite to me.
What??
Not just Hillary, but both Biden and Harris were CLEARLY Dem party favorites. Dem delegates *tried* to have a revolution with Sanders in 2016, but failed. They'll go with another party favorite in 2024, because they have not had the revolution the Reps had in 2016, and they won't.
He misses the old days when neocons and neoliberals had full control of power and the popular narratives. Now whaaa boo boo Trump and Elon
The change in American politics that Peter is talking about happened in 2016. Peter doesn't hobnob with the working class in Aspen or Switzerland or whatever gorgeous local he is in. Let's have Peter stand in front of a Love's Truck Stop for once.
Lol, no. 2016 is when Rs were taken over because they could no longer field electable candidates
Alternate video title: 50's aged Man-bun sporting University Professor "independent" with stage 3 TDS on a permanent vacation life of leisure gives insightful objective analysis of American elections.
nailed it 100%
One title you will never see: "Peter responds to his comment section"
You have the worst case of Zeihan Derangement Syndrome I've ever seen.
You have been reported.
You have been reported as 1000% accurate. May your detractors cope and seethe harder 😂
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Peter psyopping everyone that inflation isn’t real but if it is it doesn’t matter.
he is so clueless, can't believe i ever used to take him seriously, now i just watch so i can read the comments.
Boy did you miss this one. This was all about the economy, safe boarders and defying the woke generation.
You have have the nicest comment section possible for how much out of touch you are about US internal affair. People respect your international analysis enough to just not toss you out, even with such bad takes around Trump election.
Goes to show conservative minded people are actually better people morally and they apply the things they preach.
Maybe we should look into his international analysis more closely. I think Russia already fell to the Ukraine by this time in his predictions along with China.
Maybe if the Democratic Party hadn't abandoned us we wouldn't have abandoned the Democratic Party.
Thank you James! 😊
It seems like many ex-democrats left for Trump, heck he is an ex-democrat.
@@Robert-fx3ng So was Reagan!
Bingo! My family left the Democrat Party in the late 70s, and have never looked back.
The same reasons you become a dmcrt are the same reasons you stop
This dude has really lost touch
Peter’s leftism blinds him on domestic politics
He thinks he masks it well, but every leftist fails to see the bias.
How?
He spends a lot time in Austin, "Keep Austin Weird"
no such thing, being leftist simply means being in touch with reality, right wingers only listen to your demagogues because you are all rubes, being played by the corporate elites !!
I'm pretty sure he's a capitalist
Read the room, Pete. I think most of us respect your analysis and explanation of geopolitics, but in all honesty, I think your dead wrong about the last election cycle.
I think most people voted because either there is an issue that the left went too far on, or groceries were far beyond the pail
I personally know fiercely independent people, (like never voted for a major party types) who went for Trump because they have children in school and they didnt want them competing against people of the opposite sex or changing in the locker roo. around people of the opposite sex. Also, their grocery bill was through the roof.
If the summation of your political understanding is that groceries dictate prosperity, you're bout to be in for it. 👍
@@MinecraftCRASHED groceries DO dictate prosperity.
@MinecraftCRASHED The French Revolution was largely fueled by the fact that Bread prices became out of reach for the common man. One revolution later, the fall of the French Republic was also fuled by (although less so) the fact that Bread prices were once again getting out of control.
Groceries have been shown to topple Monarchies and Republics alike.
"... groceries were far beyond the pail." Hey, an inventive, and witty, twist on an old expression -- far beyond the pale, indeed.
@larryrobx Yeah... I would love to say that was intentional, but I screwed that up. 😅
Well, taking into account your utterly failed Presidental election prediction, I guess this is just a little bit of overdue cope, eh?
Predictions are hard, especially about the future.
Exactly.
@@SeattlePioneerAnyone could see what was coming unless your delusional or bias….like Peter who is an establishment democrat.
@@robbycook4298how could anyone see Trump winning the popular vote? There was no information suggesting that would ever happen
@@robbycook4298the problem with this assessment is that all evidence points to Peter being an establishment Republican from before the party disintegration (~2008). If there is an obvious blind spot, it is that as a believer in systems Peter felt Trump's disdain for nearly all parts of America government and institutions would push enough people away. Like with other news about healthcare, the anger of Americans was under estimated.
Peter still expressing his "Butthurt".
Ok trump abuse lover. Have fun with your increased inflation and tariffs 😂
Wait until that inflation hits then you will be butthurt. I bet you will forget how it happened though.
You can definitely see & hear the anger big time.
Good to see you back home
The people were tired of being gaslit by credentialed academics and experts. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt due to TDS. Now I think you're just unable to assess things that aren't determined by geography or demographics.
Peter is just another one of the water carriers for the crowd that inflicted this on us, that is attempting to gas light me because he hasn't been paying my cost of living bills the last 4 years
We voted the way we did because their gas lighting propaganda techniques weren't sufficient vis-a-vis the actual reality people are dealing with
The unfortunate part is that the people have no way of determining bullshit from the truth on their own. They are no longer listening to experts that may have an agenda, and instead listening to raw unadulterated grifters spouting nonsense like tariffs lowering inflation. We had a problem (a poorly informed public) but the direction we are going is just making that worse not better.
We will find out who is wrong and who is right in the end.
Somehow I have a feeling that not all criticism of Trump is just TDS
No shade toward Peter, but I think you have the correct (or at least the most correst) assessment. Want to know where to build the next lithium refinery complex? Ask Peter. Want to know what will happen in politics? Find out what peter thinks and plan for the opposite.
I agree. I think that things are going to get real uncomfortable for a while until this gets sorted out!
What about the inflation and the illegal migration?
The point isn't about how individuals voted based on specific issues. It is about how people that have the same cultural identifiers and economic issues did not in the aggregate vote the same way. As noted at 1:35, it is odd that most groups were split down the middle. The argument is that groups are redefining themselves internally and in relation to the national parties.
I think the majority of our nation is center/slightly right leaning. The current administration just moved too far to the left and alienated the moderates.
wasnt really the administration, was media, especially social media, and various institutions. if anything, the id say the administration has been too far right..
Yeah, Peter, I love your foreign affairs work. Stay there.
I think peter just does these videos as a way to show off his diverse sunglasses collection, dudes got so many different designed shades. Lol.
The last time I heard something this delusional was the last time I listened to AOC
Hey! In the aftermath of the election she deleted her pronouns.
But AOC did not tank half her books sales on a whim. PZ was good at playing down the middle, till last summer. . .TDS is real & sad.
So much delusion, so much TDS. Seriously get help.
Online echo-chambers are behind this
more like open borders
Really? The dims DEI hire wasn't a viable candidate.
Yup, it's the disinformation, stupid. We'll fix it.
Who is up for some actual substantive criticism of what Peter said, instead of this MAGA glazing?
@@australianpatriotan ausee crying about open borders . 😂 go home . Immigrant
Merry Christmas and God bless you and yours
Don't hate too much on him. His opinions and analysis are usually pretty good, and even if you don't agree with the line of thinking or conclusions, it's a different, thoughtful perspective that broadens peoples views on a situation. I find him a useful chap and will keep listening. Thanks, Peter.
He still doesn’t get it
Zeihan US Politics - 2/10
Zeihan Geopolitics- 8/10
lol look at the donor lists and you ll see whats what
With this election the Tech Oligarchs got more influence into american politics.
Am I not supposed to see the Koch brothers and Bezos on the GOP’s? Do you have brain damage?
@@leifbrown7329 You literally are paying with a donation...
I always thought it was old money vs new money.
Peter, if you believe your own title on this one, then you are smoking some pretty outstanding stuff, incredibly better than what I happen to smoke, and I don't know anyone since 1977 that gets their hands on better stuff than I do!!
Our greatest problem is the number of “independents” who use words like “morality” without applying to their voting practices.
The problem is, until recently, the republican party has been led by the Bush's and their ilk. So, as an independent, I always voted who I felt was less sucky at that time. It took Trump to get me to vote Republican multiple electuons in a row. I'll stay an independent, because there's still a deep rot in the Republican party that may usurp and sabotage his presidency and we don't know if Vance is a wolf in sheep's clothing yet. I know I'll never vote democrat again, but if the rino's take back over then I will just stop voting since I currently live in a solid red state, my state and local politicians will always be Republican with or without my vote. Federal problems here are only tax related.
As someone so eloquently put it in another comment section "more people are fighting over less"... Thats the economic reality and that's what people voted against
I love Peter and his videos, but what I love the most is how transparent his pandering videos are, like this and how easy they are to dismiss from the rest.
CPA/economist here: Disagree Peter. Inflation affects EVERYONE, all income levels. That's why people voted the way they did. One party is more responsible for inflation than the other. Both are bad though, along with the Federal Reserve.
Yeah an unrealized gains tax would go down really easily. Couldn’t cause a liquidity crisis.
I wonder if the 1860 election was not also about ideas and not income, seems to have been taught that way.
I understand more about Quantum Physics than Peter understands about American domestic politics.
And I'm just an architect...😂
I'm not a rel actor. I just play one on TV.
The problem is the more Peter shows his ignorance about domestic politics the less I value his geo-political insights. Gell-Man effect in force!
So when Peter says voting with the wallet he means on average. However eggs are literally over 100% more expensive than when Biden toots office so he’s just not realizing that for people where daily use goods…. Food/gas/soap etc are a disproportionate amount of their budget we’ve felt way more then 25% inflation
Please explain how the Biden admin caused a shortage chickens due to bird flu.
Eggs are still an incredibly inexpensive source of protein. And oh, when the price of eggs go high, country folks set up chicken coops and sell their eggs at farmer's markets. I lived next door to a gal that kept chickens, and that rooster would always wake me up.
@ right the go to source of protein for the destitute have over doubled In price in 4 years. Peter doesn’t comprehend that this is exhibit A of Americans voting with their wallets.
@ also I live in rural Ohio I understand how country folks work. Except the second it got cold here everyone’s hens stopped laying
If inflation was the #1 issue, can you walk me through how tariffs, tax cuts and deportations will help inflation?
It's a new world. People are more concerned with getting positive results instead of being told what will be done for them and not following through. And the culture wars do matter when one party is more concerned with social engineering their particular ideology than helping the working man have a better life.
Correct. Nobody cares that you "tried real hard". What have you actually accomplished.
Trump sends out a tweet or makes a speech and he's already influencing global policy in real time as a private citizen.
Trump makes it look easy. For him it is. He doesn't have to "try real hard" because he's that good. And then he says things like "I could end this war in 24 hours" and people mock him. How could you possibly, when all our best and brightest couldn't end it even though they tried real hard?
Then why did people vote for Donald trump?
You think trump cares if you have a better life 😂
@mitchmontona I didn't vote for him because I want him to care. I voted for a change from what has been going on for the last four years. Trump performed well in his first term. Y'all can rag on Trump and his supporters but enough people voted for him who had previously voted for Biden to tell you the majority was dissatisfied.
Incredible that some people think one side has a monopoly on truth.
Watch France 24 for every thing outside of Europe, Al jazerea for everything outside of the Middle East, and Peter Zeihan for everything outside of the USA.
This guy is great entertainment. More focus on propaganda than facts
Demonising a presidential candidate so he has 2 assination attempt's and calling him demented is not uncomfortable? 😢
In my district, the economy, jobs, and inflation were NOT mentioned in the political commercials. It was just about abortion.
Both immigration and inflation are identity/cultural issues - at least in this cycle. When the Starbucks, Amazon, WalMart, and Big Auto strikes keep happening though 2025 we’ll see how things shake out with Trump. Most construction/real estate industry unions have been established and surviving for a long time. We haven’t seen real mass unionizing action in the manufacturing, transportation and retail sectors in 50 years - and neither has Donald.
Inflation is not a cultural issue at all. And oh, didn't you know that the Repubs HATE unions?
I am a big fan, but this was not good. We have seen larger political and larger economic upheavals as a country. But since you didn't say anything except, that change is coming and it will be uncomfortable, when is there not change and when is it comfortable. Your own video about a two-party system, first-to-the-post wins, shows money and power will always move to the zeitgeist of the voter, not the other way around.
Wtf is he even talking about? What political situation are we in?
If you are a Dem the situation is a disaster. You need to understand where his view is coming from. You are happy. He doesn’t understand that.
The copium is strong here. His distaste for Trump really affects his evaluation and rationalization of data and outcomes. Trump simply could not win in any scenario with rational voting populace. So the electorate clearly voted irrationally (I.e. without regard for their economic interests).
I can’t quite make sense of his distaste for Musk. Except maybe that since Zeihan favors suppression of speech (“content moderation”) and Musk largely doesn’t. 🤷♂️Oh well. I know to take his prognostications with some serious grains of salt.
You can tell if your understanding of the world is correct by using it to predict things. President Harris' election shows us how well Peter understands U.S. politics. Merry Christmas
Mr. Zeihan it's okay to just say it; the working class is identifying with the GOP now. It's a party realignment.
Oh! That explains why you were WRONG! LOL. How did you put it? Oh yeah, "Trump doesn't have a chance". LOL.
He doesn’t understand that the people of this country didn’t want to be Spanish speaking and majority Latin. It’s just simple
Ah yes the party of white nationalism has another trumpeteer!
Uh... Peter, I think you may be a little confused on this one.
Ignorance and stupidity won out
There are none so blind as those that will not see
That’s right Ryan 😎 also saw your other comments on the channel- great 👍🏻
@@yarchived It's nice to be seen I suppose
@@ryanviningtube merry Christmas!
@@yarchivedMerry Christmas to you as well
Peter, the reason Trump won was because of the issues. We rallied around the country. I think this movement has legs
The only issue that has legs is immigration, especially the current situation with folks overrunning to border to become "asylum applicants". Biden was totally out to lunch on this issue.
Waaa.
...Keep on Keeping on Peter.
He must have read the Democrats polling page from MSNBC for his info.
At least we now know how our intelligence services are taking the election results.
Thanks Peter. As a historian, this is going to be more interesting than I initially thought. It should be remembered that the US had not created something like the Bretton Woods/Truman Doctrine system before in its history. Americans abandoning a system with such huge impact is new ground as will be the politics.
Been listening to Peter a couple years now
Between his opinions and current conditions
I think the future looks
Positive
Peter has always been too dismissive of the ‘culture war’.
There has been a very strange cultural alliance between the Democrat party and big business of the likes we have never seen before in the US. During the pandemic, who was out there defending big pharma? Democrats. More recently they have been seen, mulitple times, leaping to the defense of giant corporate brands like Disney, and Bud Light, and Jaguar thanks to a very narrow list of culture war related issues. Never mind the very real questions concerning how sincere any of these corporations really are about these cultural issues, the issues themselves should have never been enough to overcome the core left's general allergy to the concentration of wealth and power in these capitalist behemoths. Peter is right about one thing, this alliance will never last. It's an aberration, an abomination, and it's very interesting to observe. The whole world is getting weirder and wierder.
I still voted for Harris, but I really didn't want to vote for her. If I weren't in a swing state, I would've probably done a protest vote for Cornel West. The Democratic party establishment has just sold themselves out so much to the billionaire class, but Trump and Musk are clearly incompetent and their policies will just make the divide between the rich and poor even larger. Meanwhile, people will just keep blaming trans people and immigrants for their problems. I just have so little hope in the big picture. I'm just going to find people trying to make things better where I live and do what I can locally.
Yes, the Dems coddle Big Pharma by forcing them to lower drug prices ...
Alan lichtman the second
Our elections ALWAYS come down to the economy. Not sure what Peter is smoking this week.
Bathsalts
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So, yes, as a voter who voted based on issues and not income, I agree that the culture war is pertinent. But I also know a lot of people who have really been affected under Bidenomics.
Aww Peter is still sad his girl lost. Get over it.
Wow, the first video where, in my humble opinion, you're just babbling.
So, trying to cover for your terrible election prediction? Thats the thing about being a con artist. Eventually the future comes...
You either votes *for* the DC Security Blob, or you voted *against* the DC Security Blob. Now that we spend more on interest payments than defense, NATO and the Security Blob are in terminal decline.
Democrats left the American working class when Obama sold them out to pharma and the health care industry under the completely gas lit name of ACA. they wanted money and the typical voter could never satisfy their needs but Wall Street could. It took a billionaire to try to change the direction of the Republican party, let us hope that it works as the working class needs representation
Trump who does know how to read the room coopted the Tea Party movement that began during the Obama administration. This conservative populist movement was making inroads prior, but Trump supercharged it and the work progressives threw gasoline on it. With Musk and Trump we hope we the people can hold our government accountable to serve us, and not just the donor class.
So you are saying that the ACA has left folks in worse shape? This is a totally E D ought tick proposition.
On the dole: great use of Grandpa Simpsonese right there
I wish he would sit down with anyone on the opposite side for 2-3 hours and discuss his opinions on what happened.
These short form videos where he says things like "The mess we are in..." just come off as whiny.
He is obviously knowledgeable and intelligent. Go talk with someone else who is intelligent and also disagrees with you.
Not really, dude. You missed the dart board completely
They voted for Trump who’s going to increase inflation and then add tariffs on top. At least Peter’s throwing darts, your throwing a glass of water at the dart board 😂
@@nicholasbird6299Trump won the popular vote by millions of votes.
@@nicholasbird6299 You're going to be so triggered in 4 years when prices drop, the debt is reduced, and your life improves in every way.
NOOOOOOOOO
@ you mean In four years when democrats are back in office? 😂 go look at what Trump did to the national debt his first 4 years. I’ll wait.
@@protorhinocerator142you mean in 4 years when democrats are back in office? 😂 go look at the national debt under Trumps first term. I’ll wait little bro.
Peter seems to like visiting my country (New Zealand) a LOT.
Who wouldn't? It's the most beautiful and safest place on the planet.
He worked in the US embassy in Australia and said he was going to retire in New Zealand.
He's taking the hobbits to Isengard...
Best country in the world to visit. Australia too!
@technologic21 Australians seem like really rad people. But, it seems like you'd need a wilderness guide to follow you everywhere so the wildlife won't kill you.
Um, what? The labor groups just didn't think the democrats represented them anymore, and wanted Bernie, and failing that they started following Trump. How is that not economic identity? It's the working class that shifted. Just because the shift isn't compete doesn't mean it isn't about the economy.
I think it's more an inflection point right now. We're at this equilibrium where a person's income level has negligible predictive power for their voting preferences. It could go a lot of different directions from here, but this is probably the peak malleability stage of the political re-alignment. Peter's tone here is condescending and obnoxious, but that doesn't mean what he's saying here is incorrect.
Though I think Peter Zeihan's self-identification as an "independent" is outdated. If some of his other videos are correct, then the "independents" voted with the democrats for the last 3 congressional cycles, which means they're no longer really independents.
I think if Peter Zeihan had his way, the Greens and Liberal college grads would unite with the Business community and National Security people into a single party, though that on its own would probably not be a viable party, so they'd have to include Blacks, LGBT people and maybe a few other groups as a votebank. That would fit neatly into his self-professed Atlanticist worldview.
“The broke voting for and with the rich is unsustainable “ this is what he meant but didn’t want to say