He was the quietest rider I have ever seen in the tour. He walked, talked and rode seemingly in slow motion never hurrying. Just steady as a rock with his cadence, his body seemingly always in perfect line.
Brings back great memories for me.....watching him got me into cycling, he will always be the greatest tour champion in my humble opinion. A gentleman.
Hari MP Successor? No way -Merckx won everything - these guys (although the best of their time) are nowhere near as competitive as the old guard...They can't battle through awhole season spring and fall classics and do well in the tours too...Mer
***** my point was more about how dominating Indurain was in TT (superior), climbing (among the best of best) and sprints (but he raced conservatively) over the competition that may be we can compare his dominance only to merckx or may be Hinault. .yeah, Antoine Vayer of le monde has also raised suspicions regarding the power outputs of Indurain in 1995 and Riis and Jalabert in 1996 (we know that Riis doped in 95 and 96, but wasnt physically as gifted as indurain..so i have reasons to form my reservation). for that matter, unfortunately, merckx is also not above suspicion.
Henry Henchal Do you see federer, nadal, djoker et all compete anywhere outside masters 1000 or GSs and odd 500 level tournies, when connors, Nastase et all easily compiled 100+ matches each year in 70s?..no..same way, old guard raced hard all year, no doubt and merckx wins might never be matched. but top cyclists such as sean kelly also raced as extensively in 80s for example, erik zabel in 90s, alejandro valverde these days. but when it came to grand tours, they couldnt match a rider of the class of an Indurain in form. so i firmly think, had indurain really wanted, it was a matter of preparation to achieve the list of victories he wanted to tick off. but the prestige of tour win was so high and disproportionate that i dont see any fault in the logic of Indurain's, Lemond's or Quintana's choices for that matter...its not a matter of calibre, its more a conscious decision.that also dont reduce their greatness in a significant measure
I remember I used to watch the tour de france 94 alone during summer break, I was ten years old. I was so fascinated by him, his grace riding the bike and grinding through tough stages. He was a great champ. He was very very good in the mountains, maybe not so attacking but he was rarely dropped by mountain specialists.
Tengo 43 años y segui la carrera de Indurain en los 90; definitivamente era un fuera de serie, quiza el mejor español de todos los tiempos; jamas tuvo problemas de dopaje, ni se insinuaron siquiera; creo, con todo respeto que, ni Contador se le puede comparar. Ahora bien, cada uno en su epoca, pero si, Indurain realmente extraordinario, esa manera de subir, a ritmo, desgastando a los rivales, sin pararse del sillin, definitivamente, especial. Los que amamos el ciclismo, debemos reconocer su categoria fuera de serie y, los que lo practicamos, sabemos lo que se sufre. Gracias Benito Lopez por su video, las nuevas generaciones tanto deben aprender.
sres, gracias por sus comentarios; entiendo que conocen de ciclismo, talvez quieran opinar o, se atrevan: creo que lo de Lance fue una persecucion personal en la que el, peco al declararse culpable. Creo que no necesitamos mas discursos de falsa moralidad en la que se le acusa, despues de haberle hecho las pruebas antidoping reglamentarias (mas de 500), en las que salio limpio, aunque ahora sabemos que quiza, hasta un 50 % del peloton iba dopado igual, con la atenuante de que fue El el que confeso. Creo que si los controles fueran generales, de todos, muy costoso claro, obligados a ir limpios todos, Armstrong se los ganaba igual. Porque el musculo principal es el cerebro, que te dice dale, sigue, cuando las piernas no quieren mas. Armstrong era un tipo sediento de victoria, de triunfos, a como de lugar, con mas sicologia y actitud que los demas. Eso hace la diferencia. Recuerden aquella frase que dice que la diferencia entre una medalla de oro y una de plata, no son las milesimas o segundos sino, la actitud. Los que hemos practicado deporte sabemos que la actitud es clave para triunfar. Que dicen, ??
la prueba del EPO se desarrollo a partir del 96, seguro que ya sabes en que año se retiró. pese a todo, miguel era el mejor de todos, los datos estan ahi, mas o menos en tiempos de armstrong y pantani subiendo... recurrio a lo mismo que el resto para demostrar que era el mejor en igualdad de condiciones. dudo mucho que pasase del 60% de hematocrito como hizo riis.
incredible he just rode every contender and every climber off his wheel, totally focused on tempo and breathing, awesome display of power! he only got out of the saddle in the last few hundred meters. imo only one other of his ride matches it , which was when he took off on a climb to liege with Johann Bruyneel on his wheel and the once team blown away
I started following cycling and tdf in 92 (12years old) and I was fascinated bi Miguel. He was a real gentle man. Roglic today reminds me of him in a way. But the tour is so different today that with the lack of time trials Miguel would not be in the top 10. Tdf 92 (prologue, 2x ITT, 1xTTT- 198km of time trailing. Tdf 2020 - 36km (1xITT) I remember this particular stage and I'll never forget it and M vas just fucking awsame.... He even stood up for a moment. And this was before team radios....the riders got their info and gaps from the chalkboard Mavic bikers.... Thing changed since then, haven't they.
En septiembre Indurain no queria correr la vuelta a España (que nunca habia ganado ni disputado desde que ganó el primer Tour en 1991) y abandonó cuando considero oportuno. Wiggins corrió el Tour el año pasado y este año no ha venido. Un año es mucho tiempo y uno se retira cuando le da la gana y eso es lo que hizo Indurain.
At about the 2:40 mark of the video, play on Spotify "Finale (William Tell Overture) by Hans Zimmer" and be inspired by Big Mig's chase down - Amazing how it appears somewhat synched till the very end.
All I have to say is cadence...Big Mig had it, the other guys riding with him did not. That's why he was able to climb in the saddle. The other riders were grinding on their large front chainring and couldn't keep up. That simple.
You need the aerobic fitness to ride with that kind of cadence. The others are trying to ride a bigger gear to compensate, to be able to keep up. He’s just out powered everyone here. All on EPO too including Indurain
MIGUEL INDURAIN IS LITERALLY SPEAKING ONE OF A KIND. WATCHING HIM WAS ALWAYS IMPRESSIVE. MIGUEL INDURAIN ES UN FUERA DE SERIE....CON UN FISICO IMPRESIONANTE, DE ALLI SU RENDIMIENTO SIN PAR.
I guess you did not watch in 1985-1990 when he was dropped by 10-24 minutes every year at Alpe DHuez. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. But suddenly in 1991...he is a god? Get real.
Indurain corrió el Tour de 1996 que no pudo ganar por motivos que el sabrá, que tu no tienes ni idea (Riis y el novato Ullrich con 22 años estaban dopados y andaban mucho). Fue a los JJOO de Atlanta unos dias despues y se proclamó campeón olímpico en la contrareloj individual imponiendose a Olano y Boardman.
Henceforth all comments accusing Indurain of being doped will be deleted. You come here to honor the champion not to revile him. Thanks for your understanding.
So no objectivity with regards to how he rode and why he is 'honoured', only honoured BECAUSE he was doping, you people don't get it do you. To get the honours and adoration he cheated, they go hand in hand but you don't want that to be made known when it was obvious to everyone!
Except that Ullrich was capable of outperforming Indurain by body stats. Indurain was gifted and he was riding right in the perfect slot: old doping replaced by crazy EPO doping but not going haywire like towards the end of the 1990 and then absolute doping insanity with Armstrong. If there would be samples that could be tested today, Miguel would be as positive as others. He was not clean. I still like watching his performances because he was not an asshole like Armstrong. However, he would have not won 5 tours had Ullrich been a bit older. Ullrich vs. Indurain, the duel of the "rollers", pretty much identical types, Ullrich just more powerful and a little bit more dynamic.
It is not about cadence, it is about power. A higher cadence is always a strong indication for doping because more rpm require more oxygen. Anything significantly above 80 is very suspicious. 75 rpm is the physiological optimum between torque from the leg muscles and rpm from the oxygen. Now imagine this: Ullrich in top shape was able to output 50-80 Watts more over 30 min at 8 kilos less. The fact that a never-will-i-ever-win-a-grand-tour-rider like Armstrong was able to beat the ultimate cyclist Ullrich shows you how the best, most expensive doping is a hell of a powerful thing.
Mi padre fue un campeón ciclista, y siempre me dice que ese es el tiempo en el que se "quema el cuerpo". el dopaje no siempre ayuda, y mejora muy poco la respuesta, porque ni se puede quitar súbitamente ni tampoco meterlo de a un jalón, tiene efectos adversos que hacen peligrar la vida.
Doping or not, Indurain was a powerhouse with one of the biggest engines the world of cycling has ever seen! Whether he took doping or not is irrelevant because we all know what happened in the 90s. So, I don`t blame him...
Nonsense. MI was just the champion doper. When you allow dope, you are not recognizing the best athlete...you are recognizing the athlete who responds best to Dope. MI had MASSIVE LUNGS...but the rest of his "motor" was not efficient enough to make use of his massive lungs. Dope changed that. He ran 6 tours from 1985-1990. DNF DNF 97th 47th 17th 10th In every one of those years...he was dropped by 10-24 Minutes on Alpe Dhuez. 10-24 MINUTES. On one stage. Then suddenly he is winning Alpe DHuez in 1991...which coincidentally was the first Tour de EPO. The idea that EPO benefits everyone the same is nonsense. You have a perfect example with MI from 1985-1990. He was a domestique...an errand runner. No on was on EPO...and he was nothing. Then everyone got on EPO...and he dominated. All this shows is how EPO does not effect everyone the same. All it shows is the MI was the best at responding to DOPE.
@@shooter7a yep, he was decent in late 80s and a good time trialist but no way anyone can suddenly dominate like that, especially a rider his size. Looking at it now it's actually quite insulting to your intelligence the way he beat pure climbers in the mountains and being about 20kg heavier! Herrera quit as he was sick of being beaten by 'fat asses' in the mountains.
@@shooter7a you should check 1990: he was running for Perico that day in Alpe d'Huez. First ran away, then waited the group, then did a TT between climbs, then relaxed for the last climb. He was human after all. Had he ran for himself, he could have won that tour - and that's in the pre EPO era...
Indurain was what could have become of Jan Ullrich if Ullrich's head wasn't full of shit. One of the very few grand tour champions who could win a tour by pure strenght, even when it means a little more weight than the climbers. Tom Dumoulin is a similar type of rider, let us see what he will show in the future. Up to now Big Mig is the only one of them who became a living legend. Would be interested in the opinion of Spanish cycling fanatics who is bigger Indurain or Contador. I heard from some Spanish people Indurain is greater for them, for me its unclear, as Contador was so impressive when he smoked whole teams which were completely outmatching his on his own or when he rode against his own Astana team in 2009. For me completely different riders but equally impressive. If you are a Spanish cycling fan, please comment here Contador or Induarin?
Bullshit, Demoulin is 8kg lighter than Indurain, the only way Indurain wins is due to doping, it's as simple as that. No TT monster around 80kg can climb like Indurain does without being on the juice!
Indurain. You dont know how big Indurain was in Spain in the 90s. For me was a demigod. Contador has been great but he has never been as reknown as Miguel. Man, I still cry remember Indurain times. We all loved Miguel. And he is the nicest guy you could ever meet.
Ullrich's head wasn't full of shit. Just to straighten your distorted perception: Ullrich was the strongest in 1996 and it was the team hierarchy which gave the victory to Riis. Top shape Ullrich in 1997 outperformed ANYTHING Indurain put on the pedals - ever. Andorra-Arcalis is still the greatest endurance performance ever. Ullrich did pretty much 600 Watt continuous and took out more than a minute from Pantani and a Vireque who both dialed their doping up to level "insane". Rolling pharmacies. In 1998, Ullrich was not in top shape but clearly still the strongest. He made one mistake in the high mountains, and Pantani had dialed his doping from "insane" to "ludicrous" because suddenly, magically, he did not suck in time trialing...which prevented Ullrich from turning the tides. In 1999, UIlich had an accident and could not do the tour, but later he won the Vuelta in not-top-shape, mainly via time trialing and limiting losses in the steep mountains. In 2000, Ullrich was not in top shape in the beginning, but the longer the tour lasted the better he became. On the climb of Mont Ventoux he outright brutalised the field and set such a high pace, that he pulled the entire group of top 10 classement favorites up the entire mountain all the way to the 3 km mark. He accelerated multiple times to eliminate attacks, he caught anybody who tried to get away. Demonstration of pure strength with no teammates to help. At 3 km Pantani attacked a last time and managed to get 20 seconds away, then Armstrong, who had received a blood transfusion the day before, jumped after Pantani and dragged Pantani's ass up to the finish line. Jan was 28 seconds behind on 4th place. In 2001, Ullrich was in great shape, not picture perfect as in 1997, but very good. However, unfortunetely for Ullrich, Armstrong brought his unique stellar doping cocktail that was unaccessible to others and beat Ullrich with it on every single mountain stage by a few percent. Jan rode well, good cadences of 75-78 rpm, he attacked, he would have easily beaten the field like in 1997 without Armstrong being the ultra-doped mafia mobster party pooper. Because of 2001, Ullrich developed a depression and built up tons of frustration. Teammates said he was unusually abrasive and vocal about shortcomings in the team and how to prepare for the Tour de France. He dropped comments like "If I'm already in the red zone, what do you expect me to do in that moment?" (he specifically referenced Alpe d'Huez and The Look but also other climbs later in the tour when he tried to hold Armstrong's wheel and exploded spectacularly at an unnatural cadence). 2001 made it very clear to everybody, that it was not an even playing field - which Tyler Hamilton confirmed later. He revealed how Armstrong made sure to have superior doping and how he kept others from getting it by pulling strings with the doping doctors and at the UCI. Jan's frustrations led to loss of control during training in 2002 - he trained ridiculously hard, often and unforgivingly, so that he eventually injured himself. No tour in 2002. As a consequence he started to party like hell, took Ecstasy, got tested positive, and was fired by Telekom and many sponsors. Still a ridiculous chain of events, especially by today's standards. It was the first time Jan was dropped like a hot potato the moment he was not the 100% perfect cycling hero. A very nasty feature of Germany's relation to high end sports. In Germany you crash harder than anywhere in the world if you make small mistakes. In 2003, he was back, at Bianchi. His doping program had changed, and he was now paying top money for double-A rated doping by Fuentes. As we know today, Armstrong still managed to make sure he was the only one with triple-A rated doping in the field. Anyhow, Ullrich had a bad day in Alpe d'Huez, vaporized Armstrong at Cap Decouvert, and could have won the tour had he attacked together with Carlos Sastre. He attacked too late and Armstrong limited his losses. Up to Luz Ardiden he was in great shape and Armstrong had no chance to get away, said Ullrich many years later when asked about the stage. The problem was Armstrong's crash. Ullrich said he waited, and he did not realize how much that negatively impacted his power output until Armstrong attacked a second time, totally living off the adrenaline from the crash. He said that suddenly the very high output was gone for a while and it took him a few kilometers to go back to the max. Interestingly enough, this correlates with the times: Armstrong was able to dish out 1 min 20 seconds during the initial acceleration but Jan reduced it to 40 seconds in the end. Had the climb been 3 km longer, Armstrong would have been caught. In 2004, back at Telekom, Ullrich became the infamous "thigh monster". He overdid it again and added way too much muscle mass. He also became very ill and did poorly on the first mountain stages. Later he recovered and demonstrated that he was essentially the strongest without Armstrong, yet he lost 1 minute to Armstrong during the mountain time trial up to Alpe d'Huez, who climbed 1 second slower than Pantani in 1997 (which was at the end of a long stage), while Jan was 20 seconds slower than his 1997 time. Without the doping monster Armstrong, Jan would have won a total of 6 tours and never finish worse than second. Doped, yes, but never been doped to ludicrous levels like Armstrong was.
@@bobbwc7011 Korrekt! Tedd hozzá azt is, hogy a teljes USA sportéletet átitatta a THG 1983-2004 között, míg Marion Jones mindent ki nem borított... Persze minden országot kizárnak az olimpiákról bármilyen okból, kivéve a legaljasabb USA sportolókat. Az abszolút állami dopping rendszert.
An 80+kg time trial monster who kicked Armstrong's arse in the longer TTs yet could climb like a 60kg Columbian, you can fuck right off with the 'greatest of all', the man was a serial dope cheat!
Si no has vivido esos años de Indurain es como si yo me pongo a hablar de formula 1 que no la sigo porque no me interesa. Aqui el que tiene interés en injuriar a Indurain eres tu. Indurain es un fenomeno de la naturaleza, y corriendo todos limpios no le gana nadie. Es el mejor ciclista español de todos los tiempos con mucha diferencia y uno de los mejores de la historia sin duda alguna. Y yo no me hago pajas. Y es todo lo que tengo que decir.
No le deis más vueltas desde Grecia hace más de 2000 años se intentaba mejorar el rendimiento no está mal querer mejorar ahí que poner unas pautas de que si y de que no .y no es lo mismo el caso amstronm por qué ahí era ya con glóbulos y sangre fresca unos días antes de las grandes etapas ..
Se dais cuanta que la prensa a conseguido que cada acto en el que aparezca "Ciclismo" Aparezcan comentarios de "Dopaje?, Pensadlo porque es la verdad, buscar algun sitio donde haya ciclismo profesional en el que no haya naaada de dopaje...
It was not. By far the greatest endurance performance was Jan Ullrich climbing Andorra-Arcalis. Not only more wattage than Indurain but also 8 kilos less than Indurain. Nol cyclist ever came close to Ullrich at Andorra.
It appears to me that Indurain placed second by 2' and 2" after Zulle (13:21). However, when I confirmed this with other sources, this is not the case. I am confused as to what happened.
Not necessarily. Indurain would only make the necessary effort. Once the general classification was secured, I do not think Indurain had disputed the stage. Not because he couldn't, but because he wasn't that eager for partial victories. That magnanimity made him the greatest.
Its pretty well documented in every cyclists biographies from that era, along with testimony in the operation Puerto cases and from interview with Francesco Conconi himself. He was the team Dr.
pardon j' ai 48 ans j'ai vue presque toutes les courses d'indurai.il ne se dopait pas il avait un phisique hord du commun bref un extra terestre je l'ai vue de pres a pamplona ilest tres sympatico
He rode the tour from 1985-1990..and got dropped every year at Alpe DHuez by 10-24 minutes. He was a shit climber...till EPO. Pull your head out. Go back and look at the records.
"commendable". Well, that'S one way of putting it, I suppose. Isn't it odd how today, when effective doping controls are widespread and pretty much unavoidable, all the top GC riders look physically nothing at all like their predecessors from the go-go 90's?
He didn't use EPO because he didn't need it. He had 88.0 VO2 max (Armstrong, for example, had 84.0) and his blood took 7 litres of oxygen per minute (average rider takes about 5.5). His power to weight ratio was 6.8 (for example, Armstrong, who is, doping or no doping, an expert of the matter, claims that 6.6 is the level you need to win the Tour). He was simply a natural phenomenon, one of a kind. Moreover, he was a pragmatic rider and never went 100% in the mountains, preferring to ride defensively and conserve energy for time trials, of which he was a specialist (again, due to his height and weight) and where he destroyed opponents. Riis, Ulrich and co needed to take spectacular amounts of EPO to beat him in 1996. For example, Reese's blood took 6 litres of oxygen per minute and his power to weight was below 6.5, but EPO elevated that to 7.0, which easily beat Miguel's 6.8. If Indurain had used EPO, his power to weight would have been 7.1 or 7.2, enough to easily beat Riis.
93-98 were the EPO golden years.... but it's use started right around 1990. Indurain won big from 91-95 by working with now notorious sports doctor Conconi (who was a mentor of Ferrari and Cecchini). Cecchini or "Checho" was the doctor responsible for Riis' 96 victory. We all know Ferrari's story with Gewiss and later Armstrong. Indurain was a freak but he was also ahead of the doping curve in relation to the rest of the peloton ... Nobody wins 3 Giro-Tour doubles riding pain-y-aqua.
hit is widely known inside of the cycling community that Indurain's numbers were based on PED's. The dude was 6'2" an rode between 175 and 185+. Even with an elite VO Max he was too heavy to consistently win races like the Tour.
People accusing needs to prove their statements or just shut their mouths up... In fact, doping cases proved are a few compared with riders that didn't cheat, NOBODY proved nothing about Indurain or some of his rivals, like Bugno, Tonkov, Rominger and so on... The milestone about doping in cycling? 1998 Tour There's nothing proved apart from those cases except for 'Operacion Puerto' and there's only 6 riders penalized, 6 RIDERS! Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso, Alejandro Valverde, Jorg Jaksche, Michele Scarponi and Giampaolo Caruso related to Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes people is talking about ghosts
Creo que aqui hay mucha gente que confunde churros con merinas. Indurain era un portento físico sobrehumano... pero vivio en la época de la barra libre del dopaje.. no solo el, sino tambien Rominguer, Zuelle o Berzin por poner ejemplos- Y cuando a un superdotado, le das gasolina super, pasa lo que sucedio, que se vuelve intratable. La prueba es muy sencilla, Indurain tiene un hermano, Prudencio, que jamas se comio un colin y mas en comparación con Miguel, y sin embargo fisicamente estaba tan dotado o más que el propio Miguel, ya que ademas de sus aptitudes innatas pesaba menos... por que no se comio un colín? Pues no todo es motivación mental, cada cual que saque sus propias conclusiones, pero la retirada de Indurain y el mega pajaron de 1996 coinciden en el tiempo con la época de la introducción de análisis de EPO. Miguel es grande como deportista y como ser humano, pero diablos, hay que ser necio para pensarse que el... junto a sus coetáneos, iba limpio.
That day pantani was not ok.. Otherwise now we would speak about another performance, maybe another '95 tour... Anyway indurain was impressive... But he was born timetrialist, the best one, but not climber... And being this huge and following one of the best climbers in history (pantani), well...that makes us think...
unfortunately indurain was just before my time...from what ive read thought, i was always under the impression that he wasnt so good in the mountains and won the tour on the TT..evidently not so was he a renowned climber??
Was much better than what people think as a climber he was often in the tour the second best climber or 3rd best climber but with his size and weihght it just made him unbeatable in the TIme Trial the other riders were like children in the long TT on flat or roleur courses.
Indurain often made an attack to follow up on his time trial wins. This day was a defensive attack as Zülle would have taken the maillot jaune if Indurain hadn't limited his loss by going all out like this. But 2 days before at the Ardennes stage to Liége, Indurain made an attack that surprised everybody to gain a later starting spot for the time trial.
@@holmbjerg A defensive attack? What kind of nonsense is this? He was under big pressure to close the gap to Zülle. Zülle was not bad at time trialing and would have posed a serious problem. Indurain only had one choice: Instead of sitting down and just go a certain tempo to minimize losses, he had to proactively chase Zülle. This Indurain raid up to La Plagna was VERY unusual for Indurain. You barely saw anything like this in the previous years. He was clearly at the very limit here and output his maximum wattage to have the highest possible average speed. This dropped his competitors one by one, but the main purpose was to close the time gap to Zülle. No-one else would help him, so he had to do it all by himself. Normally, Indurain was not this active - he controlled the tempo and only allowed very light climbers to attack, people who could never win the tour, like Marco Pantani (LOL) and so forth. The only guy who gave him a challenge was Rominger. Rominger was not bad in the mountains and not bad in time trialing and was able to do well in classics. He was dangerous in all phases of the tour, even on "low action" breakaway stages. Indurain never attacked Rominger, but always stayed with Rominger in the mountains. Otherwise: No reaction from Miguel whatsoever, he was "zero dynamics" personified - unlike Ullrich, who was quite dynamic in the mountains AND more powerful than Indurain. Actually the only rider who was more powerful than Indurain, ever.
Mi padre fue un campeón ciclista, y siempre me dice que ese es el tiempo en el que se "quema el cuerpo"6a el dopaje no siempre ayuda, y mejora muy poco la respuesta, porque ni se puede quitar súbitamente ni tampoco meterlo de a un jalón, tiene efectos adversos que hacen peligrar la vida, en el caso de EPO E IGF en provocan una perdida del eje de retroalimentación negativa, y ni los hemorreológicos pueden ayudar a recuperar fluidez sanguínea una vez incrementado hematócrito y Cmhc con EPO.
una persona k no se dope no da echo el tour y después la vuelta y acabar bien. Son humanos y las piernas no recuperan tanto. Siempre se comenta k si el k ganó estaba dopado, eso pasa siempre con todos.
It is accepted that EPO got to the peloton in 1996 (Riis), though there are cases reported as back as 1988. If Miguel (and his contemporaries) consumed something, it probably wasn't EPO. In any case, many riders (many champions) were caught using some type of doping after Indurain and before him, and he was never caught. He was as clean as anybody can tell.
most of the cyclers are doping it hurts or not this is the truth some of them harder others just a little but doping is not enough you have to be talented and have skills to do this sport so indurain and contador are my favourites in this spor clean or not they are the best of theyr era very talented, good time trial athletes and the best climbers, without these skills with all doping in the World you could not win all the trophees so they have my respect
Indurain was doped just like all the rest. As soon as cheating is involved it renders the whole event null and void. So many people get excited about his “big engine” blah blah. He surely was an extraordinary guy but so are all the top riders. He was powerful and one of the best time trailists ever. His climbing was were the doping gave him the biggest benefit. 80kgs doesn’t beat 70Kgs but it gains a bigger boost as a percentage when both dope. This was enough for him to stay with the climbers and even beat them sometimes. All accounts are of him being a gentleman, so much that even now few have a bad word to say of him. He won according to the spirit of the competition at that time which was sadly doped.
He is simply - to date - the best Tour de France cyclist, ever. Also, he had some serious, and memorable, contenders. All in all, his era was the zenith of the Tour de France. Everyone else pales in comparison.
Hasta las cejas iba. Pero no nos engañemos, como todos. Un corredor no pasa de ganar 5 tours a bajarse de la bici al año siguiente sin poder acabar ni la Vuelta.
El no queria ir a esa vuelta y por eso acabo mal con banesto y Echavarri. La Once lo intento fichar a toda costa, le ofrecia lo que quisiera e Indurain no quiso seguir, sabia que algo nuevo había llegado en cuanto a preparación y no estaba dispuesto a pasar por el aro. Creo que se retiro en el momento adecuado...
That's a grown man flexing on the best of the best, Pantini, Virenque, Riis, Jalabert, Rominger. It doesn't get any more matter of fact than this. Miguel was a pure machine and picture of strength. Stop with with the EPO foolishness. This mans VO2 Max was in the 90's and resting heart rate in 20's.Contador could learn some humility and class from this true Spanish Champion. nuff said.
his VO² was actually 88 and heart rate at rest 28. He was guided by Dr Conconi which was reknown for introducing EPO into the peloton. He has recorded some of the highest watts/kg uphill (I believe it was around 6,94w/kg, impressive for a man that weighed 78 kg at his peak.
EPO was not used in 1992 when Indurain was at his best (time trial Luxembourg). Read Francesco Conconi in wikipedia and you will see. 6,94 w/kg x 78 kg = 541 watts, in his1994 hour record he developed 509.5 watts, so your cypher is too high. Pantani, Armstrong and others have that record in w/kg. At 53.04 km/h, Indurain developed 509.5 Watts, while at the same speed Rominger put out 413 Watts-a difference of 23%. (source: Rominger's hour by Michelle Ferrari) Indurain is not in the list of doping cases in cycling of the wikipedia. Armstrong admitted to using these performance-enhancing drugs: EPO, testosterone, cortisone and human growth hormone. Also Illegal blood transfusions.
benito lopez Thats not true, Indurain was great but his mountain superior skills commes from Epo and Dr. Francesco Conconi. Conconi was the mentor of Dr. Michele Ferrari and Dr. Luigi Cecchini. Indurain is much to big to be able beat the small and real mountainclimbers, that was what EPO, made possible in the 90's
Michael Tolstrup Hog Wash, he was climbing these mountains with these climbers in tour of Italy and even dropped Greg LeMond in 1990 tour in the Alps I believe. As Neboli is proving this year just because you may have had some indirect relationship with Michele Ferrari doesn't automatically mean your a user of EPO. Even if he did use EPO its confirmed all the names I mentioned were using something as well and just like like Lance Armstrong scenario where peloton was doping he still bested them. So again Miguel is a true picture of strength and might on the bike
vrusimov maybe not to the average man like you and I but Miguel and these guys in the pro peloton made it to this position for a reason. God given talent and hard work. We just ride hard but dont have their skill set otherwise we would be commenting on our own cycling palmares.
He was the quietest rider I have ever seen in the tour. He walked, talked and rode seemingly in slow motion never hurrying. Just steady as a rock with his cadence, his body seemingly always in perfect line.
i saw him once in Alpes stage, dressed in yellow, after finishing the ride. THE BEST PURE RIDER EVER.
What riders are you talking about?
Brings back great memories for me.....watching him got me into cycling, he will always be the greatest tour champion in my humble opinion. A gentleman.
He is the one natural successor to the great Merckx
Hari MP Successor? No way -Merckx won everything - these guys (although the best of their time) are nowhere near as competitive as the old guard...They can't battle through awhole season spring and fall classics and do well in the tours too...Mer
***** my point was more about how dominating Indurain was in TT (superior), climbing (among the best of best) and sprints (but he raced conservatively) over the competition that may be we can compare his dominance only to merckx or may be Hinault. .yeah, Antoine Vayer of le monde has also raised suspicions regarding the power outputs of Indurain in 1995 and Riis and Jalabert in 1996 (we know that Riis doped in 95 and 96, but wasnt physically as gifted as indurain..so i have reasons to form my reservation). for that matter, unfortunately, merckx is also not above suspicion.
Henry Henchal Do you see federer, nadal, djoker et all compete anywhere outside masters 1000 or GSs and odd 500 level tournies, when connors, Nastase et all easily compiled 100+ matches each year in 70s?..no..same way, old guard raced hard all year, no doubt and merckx wins might never be matched. but top cyclists such as sean kelly also raced as extensively in 80s for example, erik zabel in 90s, alejandro valverde these days. but when it came to grand tours, they couldnt match a rider of the class of an Indurain in form. so i firmly think, had indurain really wanted, it was a matter of preparation to achieve the list of victories he wanted to tick off. but the prestige of tour win was so high and disproportionate that i dont see any fault in the logic of Indurain's, Lemond's or Quintana's choices for that matter...its not a matter of calibre, its more a conscious decision.that also dont reduce their greatness in a significant measure
Armstrong tested positive at the "Tour of Switzerland"
I remember I used to watch the tour de france 94 alone during summer break, I was ten years old. I was so fascinated by him, his grace riding the bike and grinding through tough stages. He was a great champ.
He was very very good in the mountains, maybe not so attacking but he was rarely dropped by mountain specialists.
SOID! THE! BIG! MICHAEL!!! THE! TOUR! DE! FRANCE! (G,O,A,T)!!! IS! THE! (YELLOW)!!! JERSEY! (MAN)!!! *MIKE!!! SPENCE!!! THE! (G,O,A,T,B)!!!
Big Mig - An absolute aesthete on the bike, a lesson in efficiency!
This performance is a piece of art. The very definition of grace under pressure. So impressive so watch.
Tengo 43 años y segui la carrera de Indurain en los 90; definitivamente era un fuera de serie, quiza el mejor español de todos los tiempos; jamas tuvo problemas de dopaje, ni se insinuaron siquiera; creo, con todo respeto que, ni Contador se le puede comparar. Ahora bien, cada uno en su epoca, pero si, Indurain realmente extraordinario, esa manera de subir, a ritmo, desgastando a los rivales, sin pararse del sillin, definitivamente, especial. Los que amamos el ciclismo, debemos reconocer su categoria fuera de serie y, los que lo practicamos, sabemos lo que se sufre. Gracias Benito Lopez por su video, las nuevas generaciones tanto deben aprender.
eliezer gonzalez gracias por tus palabras!es el mas grande!!
eliezer gonzalez bonitas palabras,como disfrutariamos de ver un duelo indurain contador ufffffff saludos.
sres, gracias por sus comentarios; entiendo que conocen de ciclismo, talvez quieran opinar o, se atrevan: creo que lo de Lance fue una persecucion personal en la que el, peco al declararse culpable. Creo que no necesitamos mas discursos de falsa moralidad en la que se le acusa, despues de haberle hecho las pruebas antidoping reglamentarias (mas de 500), en las que salio limpio, aunque ahora sabemos que quiza, hasta un 50 % del peloton iba dopado igual, con la atenuante de que fue El el que confeso. Creo que si los controles fueran generales, de todos, muy costoso claro, obligados a ir limpios todos, Armstrong se los ganaba igual. Porque el musculo principal es el cerebro, que te dice dale, sigue, cuando las piernas no quieren mas. Armstrong era un tipo sediento de victoria, de triunfos, a como de lugar, con mas sicologia y actitud que los demas. Eso hace la diferencia. Recuerden aquella frase que dice que la diferencia entre una medalla de oro y una de plata, no son las milesimas o segundos sino, la actitud. Los que hemos practicado deporte sabemos que la actitud es clave para triunfar. Que dicen, ??
la prueba del EPO se desarrollo a partir del 96, seguro que ya sabes en que año se retiró. pese a todo, miguel era el mejor de todos, los datos estan ahi, mas o menos en tiempos de armstrong y pantani subiendo... recurrio a lo mismo que el resto para demostrar que era el mejor en igualdad de condiciones. dudo mucho que pasase del 60% de hematocrito como hizo riis.
eliezer gonzalez totalmente de acuerdo contador no Le llega ni a la suela
incredible he just rode every contender and every climber off his wheel, totally focused on tempo and breathing, awesome display of power!
he only got out of the saddle in the last few hundred meters.
imo only one other of his ride matches it , which was when he took off on a climb to liege with Johann Bruyneel on his wheel and the once team blown away
I started following cycling and tdf in 92 (12years old) and I was fascinated bi Miguel. He was a real gentle man. Roglic today reminds me of him in a way. But the tour is so different today that with the lack of time trials Miguel would not be in the top 10. Tdf 92 (prologue, 2x ITT, 1xTTT- 198km of time trailing. Tdf 2020 - 36km (1xITT) I remember this particular stage and I'll never forget it and M vas just fucking awsame.... He even stood up for a moment. And this was before team radios....the riders got their info and gaps from the chalkboard Mavic bikers.... Thing changed since then, haven't they.
I keep repeating his clips.gifted rider.
Miguel was an absolute train. He was just accelerating and the others dropped off.
Incredible, he looks so relax!
My all time favourite rider
What a climb Miguel did!! Amazing performance in his 5 tour of France.
Only if I could climb like the legend himself...
In any case,Big Mig deserves great respect for his achievements and ability.
En septiembre Indurain no queria correr la vuelta a España (que nunca habia ganado ni disputado desde que ganó el primer Tour en 1991) y abandonó cuando considero oportuno. Wiggins corrió el Tour el año pasado y este año no ha venido. Un año es mucho tiempo y uno se retira cuando le da la gana y eso es lo que hizo Indurain.
Indurain was such a class act..
He just slightly lifts the tempo, and then keeps the same rhythm for 10 kms, without even standing up at all. It's unbelievable.
A great great champion
At about the 2:40 mark of the video, play on Spotify "Finale (William Tell Overture) by Hans Zimmer" and be inspired by Big Mig's chase down - Amazing how it appears somewhat synched till the very end.
Big Mig is a legend...
El mejor de la historia, con mucha diferencia
The greatest cyclists ever...and A top best sportmen in history
Eddy Merckx
Indurain was god, amazing.
All I have to say is cadence...Big Mig had it, the other guys riding with him did not. That's why he was able to climb in the saddle. The other riders were grinding on their large front chainring and couldn't keep up. That simple.
You need the aerobic fitness to ride with that kind of cadence. The others are trying to ride a bigger gear to compensate, to be able to keep up. He’s just out powered everyone here. All on EPO too including Indurain
MIGUEL INDURAIN IS LITERALLY SPEAKING ONE OF A KIND. WATCHING HIM WAS ALWAYS IMPRESSIVE.
MIGUEL INDURAIN ES UN FUERA DE SERIE....CON UN FISICO IMPRESIONANTE, DE ALLI SU RENDIMIENTO SIN PAR.
EPO...
I guess you did not watch in 1985-1990 when he was dropped by 10-24 minutes every year at Alpe DHuez. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. But suddenly in 1991...he is a god? Get real.
Indurain corrió el Tour de 1996 que no pudo ganar por motivos que el sabrá, que tu no tienes ni idea (Riis y el novato Ullrich con 22 años estaban dopados y andaban mucho). Fue a los JJOO de Atlanta unos dias despues y se proclamó campeón olímpico en la contrareloj individual imponiendose a Olano y Boardman.
Poetry in motion. : )
Grande indurain. El ejemplo.
Henceforth all comments accusing Indurain of being doped will be deleted. You come here to honor the champion not to revile him. Thanks for your understanding.
So no objectivity with regards to how he rode and why he is 'honoured', only honoured BECAUSE he was doping, you people don't get it do you. To get the honours and adoration he cheated, they go hand in hand but you don't want that to be made known when it was obvious to everyone!
Hizo que reventaran todos , un hombre solo contra todo un peloton , increible la subida !
Extraterrestrial....the best rider ever!!!
and with big diference. The best that ever existed, in all fields.
@@Philibert1er callado estàs mejor.Viva greg lemond cuando le gano a Fignon en los campos Eliseos, disfrute muchisimo
Except that Ullrich was capable of outperforming Indurain by body stats. Indurain was gifted and he was riding right in the perfect slot: old doping replaced by crazy EPO doping but not going haywire like towards the end of the 1990 and then absolute doping insanity with Armstrong. If there would be samples that could be tested today, Miguel would be as positive as others. He was not clean. I still like watching his performances because he was not an asshole like Armstrong. However, he would have not won 5 tours had Ullrich been a bit older. Ullrich vs. Indurain, the duel of the "rollers", pretty much identical types, Ullrich just more powerful and a little bit more dynamic.
Impresionante. Qué gran momento. Gran recuerdo tengo de esta etapa.
It takes some dedication getting your blood at just the right thickness to give your hart the ability to pump that slurry around.
A true master of cycling. Hala Indurain
True master of doping.
14:36 Cuántos leones tendrá Miguel Induráin en toda su colección?
it is so impressive that someone weighing 85kg can kick such a cadence
78 kg...Miguel 78 in tour, 76 in Giro(to climb Mortirolo) and 80 in hour record
It is not about cadence, it is about power. A higher cadence is always a strong indication for doping because more rpm require more oxygen. Anything significantly above 80 is very suspicious. 75 rpm is the physiological optimum between torque from the leg muscles and rpm from the oxygen.
Now imagine this: Ullrich in top shape was able to output 50-80 Watts more over 30 min at 8 kilos less.
The fact that a never-will-i-ever-win-a-grand-tour-rider like Armstrong was able to beat the ultimate cyclist Ullrich shows you how the best, most expensive doping is a hell of a powerful thing.
Mi padre fue un campeón ciclista, y siempre me dice que ese es el tiempo en el que se "quema el cuerpo". el dopaje no siempre ayuda, y mejora muy poco la respuesta, porque ni se puede quitar súbitamente ni tampoco meterlo de a un jalón, tiene efectos adversos que hacen peligrar la vida.
Le jeu préféré de Miguel"élimination par l'arrière"
Prugunta, como se llama el radiocronista?
Es Javier Ares. Hoy día sigue siendo comentarista en Eurosport.
Hasta las cejas iba de qué? A qué positivos te refieres? Porque, supongo, hablas con conocimiento de causa y datos que te respaldan.
Doping or not, Indurain was a powerhouse with one of the biggest engines the world of cycling has ever seen! Whether he took doping or not is irrelevant because we all know what happened in the 90s. So, I don`t blame him...
the antidoping mythomaniacs are all in internet, in real life the streets are full of people applauding the athletes
Nonsense. MI was just the champion doper. When you allow dope, you are not recognizing the best athlete...you are recognizing the athlete who responds best to Dope. MI had MASSIVE LUNGS...but the rest of his "motor" was not efficient enough to make use of his massive lungs. Dope changed that. He ran 6 tours from 1985-1990. DNF DNF 97th 47th 17th 10th In every one of those years...he was dropped by 10-24 Minutes on Alpe Dhuez. 10-24 MINUTES. On one stage. Then suddenly he is winning Alpe DHuez in 1991...which coincidentally was the first Tour de EPO. The idea that EPO benefits everyone the same is nonsense. You have a perfect example with MI from 1985-1990. He was a domestique...an errand runner. No on was on EPO...and he was nothing. Then everyone got on EPO...and he dominated. All this shows is how EPO does not effect everyone the same. All it shows is the MI was the best at responding to DOPE.
@@shooter7a yep, he was decent in late 80s and a good time trialist but no way anyone can suddenly dominate like that, especially a rider his size. Looking at it now it's actually quite insulting to your intelligence the way he beat pure climbers in the mountains and being about 20kg heavier! Herrera quit as he was sick of being beaten by 'fat asses' in the mountains.
@@shooter7a you should check 1990: he was running for Perico that day in Alpe d'Huez. First ran away, then waited the group, then did a TT between climbs, then relaxed for the last climb. He was human after all.
Had he ran for himself, he could have won that tour - and that's in the pre EPO era...
@@joaquimcevallosmorales8944 Synthetic EPO was first successfully used to correct anemia in 1987
Indurain was what could have become of Jan Ullrich if Ullrich's head wasn't full of shit. One of the very few grand tour champions who could win a tour by pure strenght, even when it means a little more weight than the climbers. Tom Dumoulin is a similar type of rider, let us see what he will show in the future. Up to now Big Mig is the only one of them who became a living legend.
Would be interested in the opinion of Spanish cycling fanatics who is bigger Indurain or Contador. I heard from some Spanish people Indurain is greater for them, for me its unclear, as Contador was so impressive when he smoked whole teams which were completely outmatching his on his own or when he rode against his own Astana team in 2009. For me completely different riders but equally impressive. If you are a Spanish cycling fan, please comment here Contador or Induarin?
Bullshit, Demoulin is 8kg lighter than Indurain, the only way Indurain wins is due to doping, it's as simple as that. No TT monster around 80kg can climb like Indurain does without being on the juice!
Indurain by a mile
Indurain. You dont know how big Indurain was in Spain in the 90s. For me was a demigod. Contador has been great but he has never been as reknown as Miguel.
Man, I still cry remember Indurain times. We all loved Miguel. And he is the nicest guy you could ever meet.
Ullrich's head wasn't full of shit. Just to straighten your distorted perception:
Ullrich was the strongest in 1996 and it was the team hierarchy which gave the victory to Riis.
Top shape Ullrich in 1997 outperformed ANYTHING Indurain put on the pedals - ever. Andorra-Arcalis is still the greatest endurance performance ever. Ullrich did pretty much 600 Watt continuous and took out more than a minute from Pantani and a Vireque who both dialed their doping up to level "insane". Rolling pharmacies.
In 1998, Ullrich was not in top shape but clearly still the strongest. He made one mistake in the high mountains, and Pantani had dialed his doping from "insane" to "ludicrous" because suddenly, magically, he did not suck in time trialing...which prevented Ullrich from turning the tides.
In 1999, UIlich had an accident and could not do the tour, but later he won the Vuelta in not-top-shape, mainly via time trialing and limiting losses in the steep mountains.
In 2000, Ullrich was not in top shape in the beginning, but the longer the tour lasted the better he became. On the climb of Mont Ventoux he outright brutalised the field and set such a high pace, that he pulled the entire group of top 10 classement favorites up the entire mountain all the way to the 3 km mark. He accelerated multiple times to eliminate attacks, he caught anybody who tried to get away. Demonstration of pure strength with no teammates to help. At 3 km Pantani attacked a last time and managed to get 20 seconds away, then Armstrong, who had received a blood transfusion the day before, jumped after Pantani and dragged Pantani's ass up to the finish line. Jan was 28 seconds behind on 4th place.
In 2001, Ullrich was in great shape, not picture perfect as in 1997, but very good. However, unfortunetely for Ullrich, Armstrong brought his unique stellar doping cocktail that was unaccessible to others and beat Ullrich with it on every single mountain stage by a few percent. Jan rode well, good cadences of 75-78 rpm, he attacked, he would have easily beaten the field like in 1997 without Armstrong being the ultra-doped mafia mobster party pooper.
Because of 2001, Ullrich developed a depression and built up tons of frustration. Teammates said he was unusually abrasive and vocal about shortcomings in the team and how to prepare for the Tour de France. He dropped comments like "If I'm already in the red zone, what do you expect me to do in that moment?" (he specifically referenced Alpe d'Huez and The Look but also other climbs later in the tour when he tried to hold Armstrong's wheel and exploded spectacularly at an unnatural cadence).
2001 made it very clear to everybody, that it was not an even playing field - which Tyler Hamilton confirmed later. He revealed how Armstrong made sure to have superior doping and how he kept others from getting it by pulling strings with the doping doctors and at the UCI.
Jan's frustrations led to loss of control during training in 2002 - he trained ridiculously hard, often and unforgivingly, so that he eventually injured himself. No tour in 2002. As a consequence he started to party like hell, took Ecstasy, got tested positive, and was fired by Telekom and many sponsors. Still a ridiculous chain of events, especially by today's standards. It was the first time Jan was dropped like a hot potato the moment he was not the 100% perfect cycling hero. A very nasty feature of Germany's relation to high end sports. In Germany you crash harder than anywhere in the world if you make small mistakes.
In 2003, he was back, at Bianchi. His doping program had changed, and he was now paying top money for double-A rated doping by Fuentes. As we know today, Armstrong still managed to make sure he was the only one with triple-A rated doping in the field.
Anyhow, Ullrich had a bad day in Alpe d'Huez, vaporized Armstrong at Cap Decouvert, and could have won the tour had he attacked together with Carlos Sastre. He attacked too late and Armstrong limited his losses. Up to Luz Ardiden he was in great shape and Armstrong had no chance to get away, said Ullrich many years later when asked about the stage. The problem was Armstrong's crash. Ullrich said he waited, and he did not realize how much that negatively impacted his power output until Armstrong attacked a second time, totally living off the adrenaline from the crash. He said that suddenly the very high output was gone for a while and it took him a few kilometers to go back to the max. Interestingly enough, this correlates with the times: Armstrong was able to dish out 1 min 20 seconds during the initial acceleration but Jan reduced it to 40 seconds in the end. Had the climb been 3 km longer, Armstrong would have been caught.
In 2004, back at Telekom, Ullrich became the infamous "thigh monster". He overdid it again and added way too much muscle mass. He also became very ill and did poorly on the first mountain stages. Later he recovered and demonstrated that he was essentially the strongest without Armstrong, yet he lost 1 minute to Armstrong during the mountain time trial up to Alpe d'Huez, who climbed 1 second slower than Pantani in 1997 (which was at the end of a long stage), while Jan was 20 seconds slower than his 1997 time.
Without the doping monster Armstrong, Jan would have won a total of 6 tours and never finish worse than second. Doped, yes, but never been doped to ludicrous levels like Armstrong was.
@@bobbwc7011
Korrekt!
Tedd hozzá azt is, hogy a teljes USA sportéletet átitatta a THG 1983-2004 között, míg Marion Jones mindent ki nem borított...
Persze minden országot kizárnak az olimpiákról bármilyen okból, kivéve a legaljasabb USA sportolókat.
Az abszolút állami dopping rendszert.
What a climb. Imagine if he doped
Stop saying he's a cheater, EPO was a supplement in the early '90s ;)
BigMig was the greatest of all, but he used supplements.
And if he wasn't doping....ooops I mean "supplementing" , Lemond would have beat him for two more TDF wins.
"Supplement"? It was illegal. They just did not have an effective test to stop it.
An 80+kg time trial monster who kicked Armstrong's arse in the longer TTs yet could climb like a 60kg Columbian, you can fuck right off with the 'greatest of all', the man was a serial dope cheat!
This kind of climbs were designed for Indurains caracteristics: long and steady.
Si no has vivido esos años de Indurain es como si yo me pongo a hablar de formula 1 que no la sigo porque no me interesa. Aqui el que tiene interés en injuriar a Indurain eres tu. Indurain es un fenomeno de la naturaleza, y corriendo todos limpios no le gana nadie. Es el mejor ciclista español de todos los tiempos con mucha diferencia y uno de los mejores de la historia sin duda alguna. Y yo no me hago pajas. Y es todo lo que tengo que decir.
Nice
Rafa Nadal y Miguel Indurain dos grandes deportistas espanoles
Gracias a él el ciclismo cambió para siempre
impressive
No le deis más vueltas desde Grecia hace más de 2000 años se intentaba mejorar el rendimiento no está mal querer mejorar ahí que poner unas pautas de que si y de que no .y no es lo mismo el caso amstronm por qué ahí era ya con glóbulos y sangre fresca unos días antes de las grandes etapas ..
Miguel Indurain was a horse on a bike. a minister of cycling praying for mountains
The the guy was a cheater, the man was the first to use epo
@@aakk5977 don't know about the first but he was on some serious gear.
Never out of the saddle except to please the crowd
since EPO checks, no one as heavy can climb that fast anymore. Weird.
Se dais cuanta que la prensa a conseguido que cada acto en el que aparezca "Ciclismo" Aparezcan comentarios de "Dopaje?, Pensadlo porque es la verdad, buscar algun sitio donde haya ciclismo profesional en el que no haya naaada de dopaje...
Apparently the most impressive display of oxygen capacity ever. Vayer estimates this climb has the highest watts/kg ever.
Almost nobody knew what EPO was and those who did said it didn't do much more than orange juice so nobody else would try it
It was not. By far the greatest endurance performance was Jan Ullrich climbing Andorra-Arcalis. Not only more wattage than Indurain but also 8 kilos less than Indurain.
Nol cyclist ever came close to Ullrich at Andorra.
Yep grate memorris for me, too Enalt , greeg lemon, y lucho herrera.
He would have taken the KOM on this mountain...
Contador tiene 9 grandes pero Indurain estaba en otro nivel.
Compara a contador con Ocaña con indurain compara a edi mex. hinol.antequil.copi..pero comparar a indurain con contador uff..
how many winners are in this video??so confusing, is it indurain who won?
In that tour, yes, Indurain won
It appears to me that Indurain placed second by 2' and 2" after Zulle (13:21). However, when I confirmed this with other sources, this is not the case. I am confused as to what happened.
Si llega a durar 2 kilómetros más la etapa, la gana Induráin.
Not necessarily. Indurain would only make the necessary effort. Once the general classification was secured, I do not think Indurain had disputed the stage. Not because he couldn't, but because he wasn't that eager for partial victories. That magnanimity made him the greatest.
Si muchas etapas quedo segundo porque paquetes como zule se escapaban o cuando llegaba el con otro lo dejaba ganar..
Es un jefe Miguel dando el pecho al aire un señor ciclista
Impressionante!!! ;-)
Did MIguel Indurain use EPO too or was it just Lance Armstrong?
+specialK312 All of them did
+Corvux IX Have you prove it?
Only lance armstrong used EPO
Its pretty well documented in every cyclists biographies from that era, along with testimony in the operation Puerto cases and from interview with Francesco Conconi himself. He was the team Dr.
Hoy en día hay equipos demasiado potentes que controlan fácilmente la carrera. Para mi eso es un problema. Un problema porque resta espectáculo.
Zulle wins but its 1995 its getting hot like Pantani, Indurain everyone is on the gear now too high hemocrits
Nobody wins the Tour, let alone 5 and 2 Giros without being a good climber. Much more commendable is that he weighed 78 kg (170 lb)
pardon j' ai 48 ans j'ai vue presque toutes les courses d'indurai.il ne se dopait pas il avait un phisique hord du commun bref un extra terestre je l'ai vue de pres a pamplona ilest tres sympatico
He rode the tour from 1985-1990..and got dropped every year at Alpe DHuez by 10-24 minutes. He was a shit climber...till EPO. Pull your head out. Go back and look at the records.
"commendable". Well, that'S one way of putting it, I suppose. Isn't it odd how today, when effective doping controls are widespread and pretty much unavoidable, all the top GC riders look physically nothing at all like their predecessors from the go-go 90's?
I do not have any news of the Tour de France, Every thing is blocked on line. I'll watch a documentary on u tube. That's it.
He didn't use EPO because he didn't need it. He had 88.0 VO2 max (Armstrong, for example, had 84.0) and his blood took 7 litres of oxygen per minute (average rider takes about 5.5). His power to weight ratio was 6.8 (for example, Armstrong, who is, doping or no doping, an expert of the matter, claims that 6.6 is the level you need to win the Tour). He was simply a natural phenomenon, one of a kind. Moreover, he was a pragmatic rider and never went 100% in the mountains, preferring to ride defensively and conserve energy for time trials, of which he was a specialist (again, due to his height and weight) and where he destroyed opponents.
Riis, Ulrich and co needed to take spectacular amounts of EPO to beat him in 1996. For example, Reese's blood took 6 litres of oxygen per minute and his power to weight was below 6.5, but EPO elevated that to 7.0, which easily beat Miguel's 6.8. If Indurain had used EPO, his power to weight would have been 7.1 or 7.2, enough to easily beat Riis.
93-98 were the EPO golden years.... but it's use started right around 1990.
Indurain won big from 91-95 by working with now notorious sports doctor Conconi (who was a mentor of Ferrari and Cecchini). Cecchini or "Checho" was the doctor responsible for Riis' 96 victory. We all know Ferrari's story with Gewiss and later Armstrong.
Indurain was a freak but he was also ahead of the doping curve in relation to the rest of the peloton ... Nobody wins 3 Giro-Tour doubles riding pain-y-aqua.
hit is widely known inside of the cycling community that Indurain's numbers were based on PED's. The dude was 6'2" an rode between 175 and 185+. Even with an elite VO Max he was too heavy to consistently win races like the Tour.
Nah....I'm not buying it any more. The top riders ALL used EPO or something, anything else, to get the edge. They almost had to dope...
People accusing needs to prove their statements or just shut their mouths up... In fact, doping cases proved are a few compared with riders that didn't cheat, NOBODY proved nothing about Indurain or some of his rivals, like Bugno, Tonkov, Rominger and so on...
The milestone about doping in cycling? 1998 Tour
There's nothing proved apart from those cases except for 'Operacion Puerto' and there's only 6 riders penalized, 6 RIDERS!
Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso, Alejandro Valverde, Jorg Jaksche, Michele Scarponi and Giampaolo Caruso
related to Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes
people is talking about ghosts
There is proof....to avg 455 watts in the 95 tour is evidence enough and he and his Banesto team were clients of Dr. Conconi
He just sits on the saddle there and attacks the whole peloton😂
Calling "Echo, Papa, Oscar", I repeat "Echo, Papa, Oscar" 😆
Creo que aqui hay mucha gente que confunde churros con merinas. Indurain era un portento físico sobrehumano... pero vivio en la época de la barra libre del dopaje.. no solo el, sino tambien Rominguer, Zuelle o Berzin por poner ejemplos- Y cuando a un superdotado, le das gasolina super, pasa lo que sucedio, que se vuelve intratable. La prueba es muy sencilla, Indurain tiene un hermano, Prudencio, que jamas se comio un colin y mas en comparación con Miguel, y sin embargo fisicamente estaba tan dotado o más que el propio Miguel, ya que ademas de sus aptitudes innatas pesaba menos... por que no se comio un colín? Pues no todo es motivación mental, cada cual que saque sus propias conclusiones, pero la retirada de Indurain y el mega pajaron de 1996 coinciden en el tiempo con la época de la introducción de análisis de EPO. Miguel es grande como deportista y como ser humano, pero diablos, hay que ser necio para pensarse que el... junto a sus coetáneos, iba limpio.
Todos iban dopados, así que Miguel sigue siendo el mejor de aquellos años.
Diasdemusica, eres muy BURRO!!!!!
Vaya p. Maquina
That day pantani was not ok.. Otherwise now we would speak about another performance, maybe another '95 tour...
Anyway indurain was impressive... But he was born timetrialist, the best one, but not climber... And being this huge and following one of the best climbers in history (pantani), well...that makes us think...
He dropped the bottle on your head, do you remember?
A climb fuelled by EPO.
he climbs just like hinault
unfortunately indurain was just before my time...from what ive read thought, i was always under the impression that he wasnt so good in the mountains and won the tour on the TT..evidently not so
was he a renowned climber??
Good in the mountains. Demolished the field in the ITT and held par or conceded minimal losses in the mountains.
Was much better than what people think as a climber he was often in the tour the second best climber or 3rd best climber but with his size and weihght it just made him unbeatable in the TIme Trial the other riders were like children in the long TT on flat or roleur courses.
Indurain often made an attack to follow up on his time trial wins. This day was a defensive attack as Zülle would have taken the maillot jaune if Indurain hadn't limited his loss by going all out like this. But 2 days before at the Ardennes stage to Liége, Indurain made an attack that surprised everybody to gain a later starting spot for the time trial.
@@holmbjerg A defensive attack? What kind of nonsense is this? He was under big pressure to close the gap to Zülle. Zülle was not bad at time trialing and would have posed a serious problem. Indurain only had one choice: Instead of sitting down and just go a certain tempo to minimize losses, he had to proactively chase Zülle. This Indurain raid up to La Plagna was VERY unusual for Indurain. You barely saw anything like this in the previous years. He was clearly at the very limit here and output his maximum wattage to have the highest possible average speed. This dropped his competitors one by one, but the main purpose was to close the time gap to Zülle. No-one else would help him, so he had to do it all by himself.
Normally, Indurain was not this active - he controlled the tempo and only allowed very light climbers to attack, people who could never win the tour, like Marco Pantani (LOL) and so forth. The only guy who gave him a challenge was Rominger. Rominger was not bad in the mountains and not bad in time trialing and was able to do well in classics. He was dangerous in all phases of the tour, even on "low action" breakaway stages. Indurain never attacked Rominger, but always stayed with Rominger in the mountains.
Otherwise: No reaction from Miguel whatsoever, he was "zero dynamics" personified - unlike Ullrich, who was quite dynamic in the mountains AND more powerful than Indurain. Actually the only rider who was more powerful than Indurain, ever.
Mi padre fue un campeón ciclista, y siempre me dice que ese es el tiempo en el que se "quema el cuerpo"6a el dopaje no siempre ayuda, y mejora muy poco la respuesta, porque ni se puede quitar súbitamente ni tampoco meterlo de a un jalón, tiene efectos adversos que hacen peligrar la vida, en el caso de EPO E IGF en provocan una perdida del eje de retroalimentación negativa, y ni los hemorreológicos pueden ayudar a recuperar fluidez sanguínea una vez incrementado hematócrito y Cmhc con EPO.
At five in the afternoon
Tchou Tchou!
una persona k no se dope no da echo el tour y después la vuelta y acabar bien. Son humanos y las piernas no recuperan tanto. Siempre se comenta k si el k ganó estaba dopado, eso pasa siempre con todos.
Lejarreta empalmó 11 o 12 años seguidos Giro Vuelta y Tour
Con Epo o sin Epo fue el mejor!
It is accepted that EPO got to the peloton in 1996 (Riis), though there are cases reported as back as 1988. If Miguel (and his contemporaries) consumed something, it probably wasn't EPO. In any case, many riders (many champions) were caught using some type of doping after Indurain and before him, and he was never caught. He was as clean as anybody can tell.
Well, Armstrong did wonderful jobs at Sestriere and Hautacam for example.
With doping dialed to 11. The Armstrong freakshow. The Armstrong cancer lie. The Armstrong UCI lie. Thanks, but no thanks.
most of the cyclers are doping it hurts or not this is the truth some of them harder others just a little but doping is not enough you have to be talented and have skills to do this sport so indurain and contador are my favourites in this spor clean or not they are the best of theyr era very talented, good time trial athletes and the best climbers, without these skills with all doping in the World you could not win all the trophees so they have my respect
He’s as dirty as Armstrong, just a nicer guy
PANTANI !
180 km di cronometro a tour più o meno
l'étape de la plagne,ce jour la tout ses rivaux(Pantani,riis,jalabert,virenque……..)sauf zulle,ont compris qui était le plus fort
C'était peut-être ce jour là que Riis a décidé qu'il allait doubler sa dose d'EPO l'année suivante 😄
Indurain was doped just like all the rest. As soon as cheating is involved it renders the whole event null and void.
So many people get excited about his “big engine” blah blah. He surely was an extraordinary guy but so are all the top riders.
He was powerful and one of the best time trailists ever. His climbing was were the doping gave him the biggest benefit. 80kgs doesn’t beat 70Kgs but it gains a bigger boost as a percentage when both dope. This was enough for him to stay with the climbers and even beat them sometimes.
All accounts are of him being a gentleman, so much that even now few have a bad word to say of him.
He won according to the spirit of the competition at that time which was sadly doped.
He is simply - to date - the best Tour de France cyclist, ever.
Also, he had some serious, and memorable, contenders. All in all, his era was the zenith of the Tour de France. Everyone else pales in comparison.
umbelidebel, ummbeliidebeel. Ni dopajes ni hostias, el puto amo de toas las maneras.
the cleanest and most honored cyclist in the world
Si el dopaje no existiera hubiera ganado igual, iba dopado como todos.
Hasta las cejas iba. Pero no nos engañemos, como todos.
Un corredor no pasa de ganar 5 tours a bajarse de la bici al año siguiente sin poder acabar ni la Vuelta.
El no queria ir a esa vuelta y por eso acabo mal con banesto y Echavarri. La Once lo intento fichar a toda costa, le ofrecia lo que quisiera e Indurain no quiso seguir, sabia que algo nuevo había llegado en cuanto a preparación y no estaba dispuesto a pasar por el aro. Creo que se retiro en el momento adecuado...
he's time trialling up a mountain. the rest are climbing....
Juicin baby juicin
Apres miguel,y'avait pas de vrai vainqueur.Tous,ou bien presque etaient dope's.tant mieux pour lui,tant pis pour le velo.
Meilleur coureure du monde c'est meguel Indurain
That's a grown man flexing on the best of the best, Pantini, Virenque, Riis, Jalabert, Rominger. It doesn't get any more matter of fact than this. Miguel was a pure machine and picture of strength. Stop with with the EPO foolishness. This mans VO2 Max was in the 90's and resting heart rate in 20's.Contador could learn some humility and class from this true Spanish Champion. nuff said.
his VO² was actually 88 and heart rate at rest 28. He was guided by Dr Conconi which was reknown for introducing EPO into the peloton. He has recorded some of the highest watts/kg uphill (I believe it was around 6,94w/kg, impressive for a man that weighed 78 kg at his peak.
EPO was not used in 1992 when Indurain was at his best (time trial
Luxembourg). Read Francesco Conconi in wikipedia and you will see. 6,94
w/kg x 78 kg = 541 watts, in his1994 hour record he developed 509.5
watts, so your cypher is too high. Pantani, Armstrong and others have
that record in w/kg. At 53.04 km/h, Indurain developed 509.5 Watts,
while at the same speed Rominger put out 413 Watts-a difference of 23%.
(source: Rominger's hour by Michelle Ferrari) Indurain is not in the
list of doping cases in cycling of the wikipedia.
Armstrong admitted to using these performance-enhancing drugs: EPO,
testosterone, cortisone and human growth hormone. Also Illegal blood
transfusions.
benito lopez Thats not true, Indurain was great but his mountain superior skills commes from Epo and Dr. Francesco Conconi. Conconi was the mentor of Dr. Michele Ferrari and Dr. Luigi Cecchini. Indurain is much to big to be able beat the small and real mountainclimbers, that was what EPO, made possible in the 90's
Michael Tolstrup Hog Wash, he was climbing these mountains with these climbers in tour of Italy and even dropped Greg LeMond in 1990 tour in the Alps I believe. As Neboli is proving this year just because you may have had some indirect relationship with Michele Ferrari doesn't automatically mean your a user of EPO. Even if he did use EPO its confirmed all the names I mentioned were using something as well and just like like Lance Armstrong scenario where peloton was doping he still bested them. So again Miguel is a true picture of strength and might on the bike
vrusimov maybe not to the average man like you and I but Miguel and these guys in the pro peloton made it to this position for a reason. God given talent and hard work. We just ride hard but dont have their skill set otherwise we would be commenting on our own cycling palmares.