People have a deep need for comfort in life's many hardships, and to make sense of a confusing world. I can understand why religion would be appealing in that regard. But it's truly astounding and terrifying to see what great lengths people will go to get that comfort and "understanding." It's so so important for us to be able to just say I DON'T KNOW, and be at peace with that, or else we'll believe all kinds of crazy shi t to meet our needs.
Truth is somewhere in there in the need to have understanding in purpose. Philosophers-thinkers, etc. have a driving need to make sense whether religion is part of it (in my opinion). When I read through the Bible the first time (without concordances) just wanting to understand-truth, it gave me anguish because of the “difficult parts”. One day, after watching Gladiator (Russell Crowe), I poured my heart in anger to God. I threw at Him the What do you get out of our sufferings & watching the deaths-our wars, etc. that was a dark time when I came close to leaving my faith. As time went on, I would have what I call-awarenesses-thoughts that I hadn’t read somewhere else such as thinking how I couldn’t stand the misery I experienced or knew of in the world, but what must it be like to experience it in the trillions of time by God. I thought-I’d explode. I began to have thoughts like that-ultimately began to think about what “free will” is. To my way of thinking at that time, I didn’t really have it. Countering that came what I read that God hates…oppression is one of them. Who oppresses who? People do it to each other. Groups-tribes (some take bribes) (another thing God doesn’t like is flattery for gain & being vain). When a person dives into the meaning of words, one finds all sorts of things. I think I became more real when I could admit that I didn’t know God but I wanted to. My prayer life improved. The list of complaints can be long. Then I read about how complaining isn’t something God likes. The “why” leads me into the meaning of what complaining means. Stagnant water. That’s what I learned in Bible study. I began to realize that our world is built on what God didn’t like & said what not to do. Talk about rebellion. How will we learn about right & wrong on our own? There are so many ways to see (perspectives). The pricelessness of awareness leads us to interesting knowledge. Personally, I’m thanking God for having a mind-body to experience living, which includes awareness of pain, suffering as well as why I need “self-control”. Excesses lead to cliff diving. No way will I stop seeking God-to love Him with all my heart, soul-strength and to love others as myself. I fall short if I mock others lack of knowledge. There’s a reason for “with all your getting, to get understanding-wisdom”. I see the Bible as a mirror to human nature. I took to saying some years ago, that if there’s a way to go crooked, I’d find it on my own. Also -if my life depended on me being perfect-no mistakes, I’d be dead. In my own life-I’m looking for a relationship with God, not “religion” .
@d.c.603 The Bible is a "mirror to human nature" as you say because it's man-made. This is why it doesn't say "Thou shalt not own people as property" or "wash they hands before eating,"....because nobody had possibly considered that slavery was objectively immoral or that germs cause disease. Men wrote it, men created God, not the other way around. But I'm glad you found something that comforts you.
Back in October of 2020 I lost one of my very few friends. A person so good, so noble, so correct in every aspect of his life, that every person who knew him felt privileged to called it a friend. When someone came with the whole " everything happens for a reason" argument in his wake, I felt so insulted. So betrayed. So rage full. It was a nonsense cliché phrase to end the conversation. That phrase more that my friend's death started me in the road to de conversion. Today I am an atheist. Today I can understand that simply put, shit happens. And the universe doesn't care about what happened or to whom
I’m sorry you lost such a dear friend, and then had to listen to crap like that!! I’ve experienced similar myself, and it IS rage inducing. My mom died from cancer when I was only 9, and I had to hear people spout that same garbage to me, *as a freaking child.* 30 years later and it still hurts & angers me to no end. I got a lot of BS like, “God had a higher purpose for your mom!”, “She was so special to God, he called her home early!”, “God had big plans for your mom in heaven, so she had to go.” Blah blah blah, kiss my ass. As a grown adult now, I can’t fathom expecting a little kid to be okay with answers like that. Expecting verbal tripe like that to ease their broken heart from such a traumatic loss. For me, it made me feel worse, and I couldn’t even express that to anyone around. It lead me to believe that I was unworthy of having my mother in my life. That God cared less about my needs & my heart as a little girl, because he had some “bigger, better plan.” *What could be a more important priority for a parent than caring for their child?* Its insulting. I figure if answers like that can help a person with their own individual loss, that they can tell themselves those things and feel comforted, then that’s fine. But nobody should go around saying those things to others who’ve experienced loss, and expect them to feel better after hearing it. It’s the same with platitudes- I HATE platitudes. They’re so invalidating and devoid of empathy.
I came back to add this part to anyone who read my first reply (OP or another reader) because I thought I should also add a better alternative for addressing such great loss. My response is based on what I’ve learned throughout the years, whether it be through studying psychology, or just personal experience. I know in my case I really wish my dad had put me into grief counseling as soon as my mom died. He didn’t, and still has no good reason as to why not. Main thing I’ve learned is this- painful things happen in life. Truly devastating things. And most times, there’s absolutely zero reason why it happened. We are going to hurt, and it’s okay. We’re going to be angry about it, and it’s okay. Hell, it should be expected! I don’t know if you experienced this with your religious background, but I know having grown up with your typical American Evangelical Christianity, I was taught that anger was wrong, and more or less sinful. Especially anger at god. 🙄 So I ended up having to swallow all of my anger and grief over losing my mom, for years on end, and that absolutely lead me to developing serious health problems. Anyway, back on topic- most of the time, traumatic experiences happen in life for no good reason at all. And even though we humans are always looking for meaning & reason behind bad things, there’s often none to be found. And that’s okay. We experience horrific pain, *and we should be allowed to feel all of it.* We should be allowed to feel the rage & anger, the grief, the soul-sucking agony, without reproach or stupid, surface level “bandages.” However, we don’t have to continue suffering from it. Wounds will always hurt, but suffering can be mitigated, maybe even avoided all together. Some wounds will be with us for the rest of our lives, that’s a solid fact. And the best, most healing thing we can do, is learn how to carry them. How we carry those wounds will probably differ person to person, but I know that most of us will be able to. We’re a resilient species! As long as we’re allowed to feel it all, process it all (in a healthy way!), and have our grief acknowledged and accepted by others, we WILL be able to carry those wounds, with love, and hopefully with comfort.
@@Ashaliyevawow thank you for your post we don't have a grief counselor here so I went to a hospice nurse I tell you what I have lost my daughter 3 months ago I lost my mom 18 years ago she told me that hey have it done been able to grieve the loss of my mom I couldn't believe it I've been going through life just carrying around the loss of two husbands and my mom and my youngest daughter because I've had to raise my kids on my own in your post is correct I buried them because I needed to but with the loss of my daughter all the pain everything just came out of me and I'm left with just nothing butt I had a celebration of life done for my daughter and she had asked me and I told her I said this song was the day I had her the song was you know just memories of good times I had with her and then some other songs that were important to me and some other songs that were put in there that you know with her friends that they wanted to add in there and it kind of explained her entire life no and then at I put songs in there that we used to laugh at you know goofy songs heavy metal songs all kinds of stuff they were fun stories about her life and then love very last song was that for the next to the last song was that she what's the song from a band in I just thought the song Fits so well the singer gets on his Pegasus and he's gone on the on his trip Across the Universe when is pegasus with the white wings and he's got the key to Eternity and he's just flying off and then the very last song I put in there the hospice nurse wanted to know which song it was because the very last words were a star cannot shine without Darkness behind and yet Life Goes On I want to thank you for your post it meant so to me because the loss of my daughter everything came out everything the loss of my mom the loss of Mighty husbands everything I will find a way to get through it
As a gnostic christian I fully agree with Dan Barker. In the non canonical scripture that was banned by the church, The Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Yeshua himself says "There is no sin, but the sin you create for yourselves" Ancient pre-church christians have much in common with the atheist and agnostic.
@@TheGnosticGospelHour And that is no surprise to any true disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ. The gnostics were phonies and not in any way one would call "Christian". No wonder the early church fathers rejected their nonsense. They did not believe in the diety of Jesus Christ...so out the door.
A highly religious relative of mine hit a deer on his motorcycle and ended up in the hospital pretty beat up. Reading the comments on his facebook post were enlightening. Person after person saying how glad they were that "God protected" him. WTF, can they not see how ridiculous a statement that is? You're not dead, just nearly dead. Must be god was protecting you. If I protected my kids like that, I'd be in jail.
Of course you don't understand. If you don't know Jesus and understand God, how could you possibly see what good could come from this motorcycle accident.
@christophergibson7155 I never said anything about good coming out of it, one way or another. But since you brought it up, do you believe all suffering is necessary in order to cause a greater good? Let's say my kids were being physically abused by someone to the point that they were covered in bruises head to toe like my relative who hit the deer, and I knew before hand that it would happen, didn't do anything to prevent it even though I had the power to, and didn't report the abuser to the police. When the police find out and question me about why I didn't prevent it or report it, I respond with, "it was for their good," I bet I'm now going to be investigated for enabling child abuse. And I doubt a single person will thank me for protecting my kids.
Not to mention, where was the deer's god? 😂 But seriously, I had a boss who had a cutesy little engraved plaque on their desk with a phrase based on the bible verse about god seeing the sparrow fall. Wait a minute and let me look that crap up, Ok, here it is: Matt 10:29-31 "Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father's care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." So this plaque had some simplified version of this verse with a little bird statue glued to it. I looked down at it and asked, "if your god's so all powerful, why did he let the sparrow fall in the first place? Today it's the bird, tomorrow it's you." Stunned silence.
We go out in the world and take our chances Fate is just the weight of circumstances That's the way that Lady Luck dances Roll the bones. Why are we here? Because we're here Roll the bones. Why does it happen? Because it happens Roll the bones. / Neil Elwood Peart.
From a fundamental christian perspective life has less meaning because their “real” home isn’t here. So they don’t care as much about other people as much as they care about “spreading the word”. Most of my family is very fundamental and it’s hard because you can’t teach empathy, you have to learn it yourself. My love for others has only grown since coming out of it because I see people as people, and not aliens who need to be fixed. Thanks for your videos ❤
Yeah my Dad claims he full of love and wants to love everyone. However, he thinks I have a lot of hatred. I feel it okay not to love everyone. It annoys me when he says it as they are always constantly asking for forgiveness all the time as they are always doing something wrong!
The biggest thing that's terrifying about too much empathy is people can use it against you. There are people without a real concept of empathy, and when you get into a relationship with one romantic or otherwise, your life can be endangered wetter that be physically, emotionally, or financially.
I wish I could meet you and your family 😌 I would love to just have a conversation with you about all this deconstruction and deconversion. So far I'm just coming out publicly as an atheist to people I used to go to church with.
@@johnmonk3381 true. But to a decent extent I do need to explain it due to a situation that happened in the past with someone else I accidentally started a deconversion process with (she was a bit crazy though and went into other religions and started manipulating everyone around her including me whereas I just gave up on religion as a whole and pretty much hid from people and got a bit sneaky about it). I don't know. I agree but I also disagree. I especially shouldn't explain myself to my fake friends/ fake relationships in the Christian church, but I'm not going to go out of my way and lie to them either. I'm not manipulate them into thinking I'm a Christian when I'm not. I'd rather just be flat out honest with them.
@@eleanor_m355 I agree sometimes you need to make your stand clear. Especially when pesky apologetics start swarming around you like flies. My best wishes to your new chapter in life.
I think the reason that (on average) we act better is because we have no parental god figure watching and intervening when we mess things up. We have to act as adults who are responsible for each other's wellbeing. If we don't give people second chances, if we don't help people in need, then the next person will have to, so we might as well step up. If we don't talk and act with integrity we know there are consequences of that, and god's forgiveness isn't going to bail us out of our nonsense!
Everything happens for a reason. The reason is caused by your own actions, for better or worse. We have to take responsibilty and change our behavior if we want the good.
I'd rather know that doing something is not good for our health or humanity than see it as wrong or sinful. We humans and all living things on Earth are NOT sinful.
Your last question was a good one. I think that as a Christian all those no-no’s were just so tempting. You wondered why they were sinful and wanted to do them to see for yourself. But now that I am on the other side, it’s more like I can chose whatever I want and all the appeal the bad things had drops away. I’m not sure I’m making sense, but there you have it.
When I was a hospital chaplain, I listened to a LOT of people trying to make sense of whatever the hell just happened to them. They fell in three camps -This is called “Maver’s Threefold Theory of Shit”. 1. “Shit Happens for a Reason” ( means, “I don’t know what else to say and I’m too freaked out to admit how random this is”). 2. “Shit Happens and You Make a Reason Out of It;” (e.g. your kid gets killed by a drunk driver and you respond by starting Mother’s Against Drunk Driving), 3. Shit Happens. (Self explanatory).
@@kjmav10135 The ability to articulate and relate personal experiences and observations to others was a formidable trait which ensured the survival of our species. It enabled successive generations to learn from the mistakes of their forefathers and made progressive strides in many fields. Unfortunately, this also meant a great many untruths and lies got passed on as well.
I was born into an ifb cult and I've pretty much deconstructed myself out of it I would always run to the Indian Reservation which was like 2 miles down the road because my friends dad was the pastor and I felt more ease there I enjoyed it there I felt peace there I felt connected there I am part Native American I have become a shaman and have remained so to this day. My mother was very sick and we knew that she didn't have long to live and she wanted us to go to church I went out of respect for my mom I went I didn't take communion after communion this lady sat behind me and she said to me are you her daughter ? And I said yes she said you know I've got such and such that will help your mother I turned around and I slapped the living s*** out of that lady's face and we were in church and I didn't give a s***. Nobody kicked me out nobody said anything to me I come I turned around and sat back down after the service I went and apologized to the pastor he said no apology is needed nobody likes that woman anyway. My two sisters were appalled that I did that I told them I said nobody is to respect my mother nobody within 2 months she was gone. 3 months ago I lost my youngest daughter am I a big daughter posted but this is sibling grief month so a mother doesn't just grieve for the daughters she lost she also Grieves with her children that are still alive I hate the same I need to save everything happens for a reason that's b******* people say that because I don't know what else to say that's like saying somebody in a car crash when they're racing all the time doing what they love WTF I think after you've deconstructed yourself you know deep down inside Who You Are you don't pretend to be anything other than what you are you don't have to wear a fancy robe you have to hold the fancy service you don't have to put on a show for everybody you are who you are at the core I live by the same do something kind everyday it is amazing what comes back to you. If you want to hear a real interesting story my counselor is a pastor he says he's going to convert me LOL I said no so he gave me a challenge to do he told me to read the book of Paul and then next meeting to tell him what I thought I said okay when I went back he said so I said all right the book of Paul's says believe 99 times do you know why cuz you're 100 and he was stunned by that fact he says sure I can't convert you I said nope you cannot convert me however he had major back surgery I found some wonderful Christian music and it's AI and I sent it to him and I said this is for your PT and he was just ecstatic about it he said thank you so much you can be who you are regardless you can be friends with who you want to be friends with just it doesn't change who you are inside I think that's what you're looking for why all of us deep down inside we're all different but we're all the same
I wish I lived closer to you and the people in the FB group Timmy. I don't have any family or friends around since I left Christianity. Thanks for your channel and the FB group. Love your content
I think you (and me btw) being a "better" person after deconversion is becaus now it's actually the "YOU" being in control and taking responsibility for your actions, instead of being controlled by the Great Puppetmaster or his evil Minion.
I understand about having to do videos over. I spent an hour or more trying to make a 10-minute video, even without the 'bug in the throat'. As for the guilt stuff, I haven't had much guilt from a variety of things you mentioned since I left Christianity.
In the same way that you are called upon to grow in your faith (if you are a believer), you can also grow in your morality and empathy towards other people. Seeing the hypocrisy and injustice of religion has caused you to focus on loving more by being a better man. You've lost your religion but not your humanity.
I know I have a girlfriend that claims to be this whatever Christian and she had the nerve to say that God needed her daughter's baby more than she did and I said I'm not going to believe that. I said what kind of God does that and she just kind of looked at me. I think it made her kind of think but how can you serve somebody that you think is going to let you carry a baby for so long and then take it from you? That's the kind of stuff that really bothers me
I think it is true and the reason is Fear..the snake in the grass. Wickedness is obvious..but hard to see Fear. Job was a righteous man but calamities came because of Fear 😊❤
I just deconstructed from Christianity and I’m so grateful for your videos. The Christian gospel never made sense to me. So many odd beliefs in it. I was only a born-again Christian for 2.5 years. I’m out now. I still don’t understand the intense heavenly like experience that put me into tears for a month after I went into a Pentecostal church. What caused that? Anyone know?
I do. It's a shared group emotion. We evolved with it to help our fragile selves escape the lion on the Savanna. We share fear and joy both actually. We can gather and experience a high when caught up in it, we invoke it through shared emotion in a field. The thing is it goes both ways. People go to protests and do stuff they regret later. It's a crowd dynamic. It is experienced by anyone for various reasons. Theists often claim the good feeling is evidence of the Holy Spirit of God. Same feeling arises when our team wins the championship or we suddenly are released from doom. It's group emotion. We interact with the physical world though our five senses but we sense and share strong emotional fields through the central nervous system. We feel that one.
Could it possibly be that "the seed" of God's Word fell on the "rocky soil" of your heart, and you could only endure the new experience for a while? Listen to the words of Jesus on this..."These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble." (Mark 4:16-17) Does this sound true for you?
@@danielpaulson8838 Those experiences of shared group emotion are only the external world we see. Look at what Paul the Apostle encouraged the church at Corinth to see..."while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal." (2 Corintians 4:18) The new birth in Christ is eternal. It is born of incorruptible seed through the word of God that lives and abides forever." (1 Peter 1:23)
@@christophergibson7155 So, you do not interpret and follow Jesus teachings, but worship him? You do as Paul says. I do as Jesus says. Thanks for carrying the Ark for me so I can see inside. Welcome to the many called. The few chosen is for the elect. Sorry.
In the Christian org I was, taught us Bible God has GOOD REASON to allow Satan to roam around and let him tempt people and bring sufferings BECAUSE Bible God wants to ACKNOWLEDGE if His Sovereignty is RIGHT, He has to PROVE IT to the Angels that was watching Him and Lucifer arguing at Heaven about His Almighty Sovereignty when this Lucifer started to doubt about his Heavenly Father’s throne😅So this God decided that 🍎 test in Genesis😅I still wonder why did I believe this😂
Timmy strikes again! You are my favorite agnostic/atheist (atheist when it comes to the Christian God, I hope I got that right), on TH-cam! You and Kristi Burke are head and shoulders above the angry atheists.
No such thing as an "atheist. Only a "professing atheist". They all know God exists, but they suppress the truth in their unrighteousness. (Roman 1:18-22)
@@christophergibson7155 Wow! You are a genius. I have a question for you. Say a loved one of yours doesn’t really *believe* so when they died and you died, you’d be in heaven and you’d know she is in hell for eternity for *not believing something* (kind of an extreme punishment for not believing something, no? But he’s a loving and forgiving god I guess). Would you have a good time in heaven then? Knowing your loved one is in hell? Here’s another one: say someone told you that you have to believe that married bachelors exist or they will torture you for the rest of your life. Obviously that is unjust and anyone (such as the Biblical god) that threatens people in that way is a sociopath. How do we know that? Because we were made in his image and can judge him based on his lack of basic ethics.
@@PseudoIntellectual2.0 Your mockery does not bother me. So many who are not "in Christ" have a darkened view of the gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ. A "love one" who does not believe is not the reason they are bound for Hell. Did you know that? They go to Hell...because they died in their sins. This is why everyone desperately needs The Lord Jesus Christ to save and rescue them from all their sin. For sin can not stand in God's presence. It is so in opposition to His attributes and nature. God is Holy, Righteous, and Just. He must administer righteous judgment for all sin. For it is the breaking of His moral law, the 10 commandments. And Jesus came suffered, died, shed His sinless blood, and rose again from the grave 3 days later. He took the penalty, punishment, and judgment for your sin. Salvation is given by the grace of God through faith in Christ alone. There are no excuses that will be an exception.
This ever knowing god did NOT know that Job will be faithfull to him and therefore it becomes this bizarre self-centered story on Job and about every one in his household must die to proof him faithfull. This god becomes a killing machine to try and proof his point.
You know its so weird that the Bible actually states that God made from the same clay some for honor and some for dishonor, meaning he literally created some people to endure the worst hardships on this planet. Yep God did that lol
There are happily good Christians and even great Christians ! They have their equivalent in the secular world as well ! Why would we think otherwise ? In the end it's simply about good and bad people ! Religion confuses these things ! That guy you referred to was apparently a victim of his beliefs which taught him gay life style was sinful - it's sad to think that he allowed that dogma to mess up his life ?? He could have negotiated this better without all this dogma - that's for sure !
in regards to being a better person now than when you were practicing Christianity probly might be because Your thoughts actions days so on so forth aren't completely revolving around intentionally thinking about doing right all the time you just do you just do right mostly when we hyper focus on certain things they somehow become a worry no matter what it is Then ya bigger chance of getting stressed out confused and do something that's not the best idk
You have not understood the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was God's will that Jesus suffer and die to for sins of the world. Jesus willingly laid His life down. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (John 10:18) Jesus did not need to be saved by His Father. He died to save and rescue YOU from all sin.
Until you realise that all men fall short from the goodness of God - For he is Holy. We are all sinners in our human nature, God sent his own Som willing so that no one would perish- Their souls - not because we have earned it. But it reflects on Gods Mercy, Grace and Love for Humanity
@@pinky9440 Being "saved" is not in one's mind only. The soul is saved. The spirit is made alive in Christ. It's the "gospel train" in the proper order...FAITH--FACTS--FEELINGS. (Notice: feelings are the caboose.)
@69camaro19 yes thank you, I'm grateful he was too young to remember all the horrors of that long journey. Living in a children's hospital for a year I saw many wonderful, brilliant people working hard to save lives. God was nowhere to be found of course
I can't stand that "everything happens for a reason" saying. Whenever someone says that to me, my response is always, "Yeah, and the reason is that I'm stupid and make bad decisions." 😂 The look on people's faces is priceless. Aahhh, you must be talking about Ted Haggard. There are somewhat recent "Where is he now" videos here on TH-cam.
I took a gal home from a bar one night and in the morning I turned around and saw her naked and I immediately turned into a pillar of salt. That's when I embraced Jesus. I missed my nap today. Who believes this crazy stuff, anyway?
I know many ppl won't understand me but I can deal with my son having brain cancer a lot easier if I'm not believing in God. I don't have to ask why and why doesn't he get healed. And what is the reason for it in the whole "everything happens for a reason" crap.
It must be a very strange experience to laugh at 30 years of ridiculousness in your own life. Most people who are stuck in really big mistakes are stuck for life, because when it comes to forgiving themselves they can't go beyond silly me, I forgot the keys.
Wonder what the reason is for 10,000 children starving to death daily? 🤔 When GAWDUH could just drop mana from heaven. I'm sure "HE" 🙄 has his reasons.
Is there a reason why I can reply to everyone else's comments on here and see their comments and replies and my replies but I can't reply to this one cocky Christian fellow? Lol I've been trying quite a bit and TH-cam won't load it. Did he just block everyone on here who thinks differently than him? Haha 😂😂 That would be hilarious! I didn't say anything offensive just why he's wrong, but you know for some self-righteous religious people telling them they're wrong is equivalent to cussing in their eyes so you know, haha! 😂😂🤦🙈
You don't NEED to edit your videos. The impromptu way you present your content as it is now is a big reason why you have gained so many subscribers so quickly. Don't change a thing! P.S. Loved the "Job" part. Makes ZERO sense for a loving god.
Evil is real Timmy..but it's not region that owns the antidote. Iff you don't think pedophilia is evil or a so-called sin..there is something rong with you.
I dont say good reason, instead its Divine Intervention. I don't agree with your belief structure but i do agree with you that us "Christians" can be the worst.. Jesus would be rolling over in His grave (if He hadnt Risen😉) with MANY of the comments i read. We are supposed to be loving..not eternal judges. Im just another sinner , doesn't really matter what each of us think since we cannot know what happens next without actually dying..I'm sorry you've switched sides but perhaps on the other side He is waiting with open arms?..(and all the answers you think you need to the "confusion" from this life)..take care friend✌️
You weren't all over the place. You were natural. People are better people when they know they can do so on their own volition, having been released from the ancient overbearing god demands of Jesus! In short, people decide good for themselves when they realize they can reasonably do so, free of fear and threats. Good naturally flows from a free mind.
Being objective while listening to you, I think you are still witnessing (to use christianese). Before (had I listened to you) you would have been sharing what God was doing for you. Now you share what He didn’t do. Either way, it’s your perspective. We have nothing to compare your life to as we didn’t know you. ?if you are better or worse than before.
What is God doing for the thousands of people in Florida who now have no homes because of a hurricane that God allowed? I would like an answer and not a platitude please.
Well bad things happening promote growth, determination, praying, etc. And I don’t think many people mean it in a literal sense like you’re saying. This doesn’t make sense in a free will paradigm. You admit that everything happens for a reason in terms of cause and effect. That would mean there would need to be an unactualized actualizer. Because from a naturalist paradigm you would be applying that statement to things within the realm of scientifically testable things. So the thing that creates all would need to be independent of the natural world, just like morality is. This is shown from the argument of change. Example: a cup of coffee on the table doesn’t actualize its own state of sitting on a table. Same with a light hanging above it. But the coffee is actualized by the table it’s on, the table by the foundation of the home, that then of the earth; the light is actualized by the chain it’s hanging from, the chain from the ceiling, that from the walls, that from the foundation, and again that from the earth. So the earth indirectly actualized both the coffee and the light’s potential to be where they are, and outside of time, since they’re both simultaneously in the actualized state that they’re in. Therefore we see there’s a hierarchical relationship that all objects have (or as you said, cause and effect). When you get into the details you get further into the coffee in the cup coming from a process, the water from the hydrogen and oxygen, etc. The point being is that you need to have a justification for all the actualized potentials. This would then lead to something outside of nature because it would need to be timeless to create time, incorporeal to create things made of matter, omniscient due to knowing everything that’s been created, omnipotent due to actualizing all potentials and being the only uncaused cause, etc. There’s obviously a more detailed explanation, but that’s a bit too much to type here. Look into Ed Feser’s Five Proofs (Aristotelian inspired change argument; 1st argument).
You wouldn’t be able to pay him anything. Nothing. And it wouldn’t be worth it, because he truly wouldn’t believe still. He is going to be rocked to his core. He will preach truth again this time with conviction. He just doesn’t know it yet. Revival is happening.
@@tonymiller3788 perhaps I miss worded that statement. I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is to prove it to Timmy but since you’re not Timmy it really doesn’t matter
@garyhershkowitz3435 I'd make that bet with you, but before I did, I'd like to know how you would prove it. In fact,, just skip the bet and explain how you would prove the Christian god is real. If you can do that I WANT TO KNOW. You wouldn't need to pay me and if you really had proof I'd immediately change my mind.
@@tonymiller3788 long story Tony. It involves math that we are not privy to here on earth. Far too much to text and reveals to much of my personal information to do in public but the people around me have had there brains spin in there skull when I walk them through the information.
I'm bisexual and it is exhausting listening to people think that bi= not monogamous. I just love who I love, no matter their gender. I was married to a woman monogamously for 5 years, and I've been in a monogamous relationship with a man for the last ten. Bi doesn't equal needing both. Thanks for reading, I love your content!!❤🎉
Dude, my daughter is not a Christian. She believes in the UNIVERSE... she's NEW AGE. SHE SAYS THAT LINE ALL THE TIME. It's not exclusive to Christianity. Come on dude.
What new age things does she believe in? Just because Christian nonsense is believed by a lot of people and is old, that means it is somehow better than her new age beliefs? Come on deud.
@SFBagent I'm a Christian! Jerusalem still exists. Jews still exist. Atheists common problem with Christianity is usually based on either CATHOLICISM, or SOUTHERN BAPTISTS. There's usually a common theme. My daughter believes in an afterlife, which is the prerequisite to any religious beliefs. You don't believe in an afterlife, obviously. Timmy doesn't know what to believe. But he thinks he's an expert in what not to believe. Yet, even in that he doesn't have a clue. I wonder what he would say to FORMER atheists who had NDE'S.
@@chapmaned24 No. A few bad apples in Christianity is not why I’m atheist. Why would I believe something that I don’t believe due to a lack of evidence?
Timmy, you clearly have your opinions about things like those of us who are Christians do, and what makes sense to you makes no sense to me and vice versa. It is sort of like how liberals are insane to me but conservatives are insane to liberals. We have a completely different world view. I believe that is by design and everything does happen for a reason and that makes perfect sense to me. You laugh at what Christians think and I laugh at what atheists think. Do you ever wonder why that is? Do you ever wonder why atheists are so few in number compared to Christians in America even though many of us have heard all of your best arguments? These are things I find interesting, how different people look at things even after hearing the same arguments.
@@jbutero1 LOL yeah everything happens for a reason, it's called SCIENCE! 🤯 Mind blown right. That's really funny that you are overestimating the population within Christianity because some people go to church convince you that they're still a Christian even if they don't consider themselves a Christian anymore because they don't want to explain themselves or be honest with someone as narrow minded as you. The explanation you're looking for when you ask why people keep the same opinion despite good arguments and evidence is called cognitive dissonance which is definitely practiced by christianity, I can already tell you have it simply by reading your comment. Atheist really are not so few in number anymore LOL. Maybe you should try doing some actual research for once rather than just passing on random claims other people have said such as your pastor in order to manipulate you into staying in your narrow mind of religion.
@@jbutero1 the things you find "interesting" are already answered by science. That's like maybe middle school science bro. I'm sorry to say. Yeah, it's not as complicated as an answer as you think. Christian's are more likely to be hypocritical laughing at others beliefs then atheists. I can laugh what theistic devil worshipping satanists think because from the book I read about it they practice weird shit, a Christian on the other hand has no right to be laughing at the stuff I as an atheist laugh about because Christians believe in magic too and plus they shouldn't even be reading satanistic books considering that they're scared of Satan, don't want to offend god and all. The point is that atheists do have a right to laugh at what other religious people think, religious people on the other hand is don't have a right because they don't fully understand what atheists think, they don't fully understand what other religions think, ect. Christians are more likely to be stuck in their little bubble of bias therefore they really don't have a right to be laughing at atheists or any other religious person because atheists do the research, christians don't. You laughing at atheists and other religions is just your own ignorance and stupidity, sorry to say bro. I think both liberals and conservatives are insane and can be both be very stupid at times, it really depends on the individual and whether or not how willing they are or aren't to decide to get out of their bias bubble.
Everything does happen for a reason it's called science. You have no right to laugh at atheists because you don't even understand atheism. You're overestimating the christian population, some people are in the atheist closet so just because they claim to be a Christian doesn't mean they are and just because they still go to church doesn't make them christian, they just don't want to tell narrow minded people like you so they stay in the closet and still sing the hymns and everything else. I as an atheist can laugh at theistic Satanism after reading a book on their beliefs, you on the other hand cannot because you believe in magic and you'd be mocking the devil and possibly God. I think both liberals and conservatives are insane, it all depends on the person you interact with and whether or not they're willing to get out of their bubble of bias. Someone who is an atheist similar to Timmy's position who practiced Christianity once has every right to laugh at their past beliefs, you on the other hand have no right to laugh at it since you're still stuck in your bias bubble. Everything that you find interesting is pretty much middle school science and psychology. It's not complicated. You laughing at other peoples views and ignoring their point of views and cherry picking it is called cognitive dissonance. You certainly have cognitive dissonance, that is not hard to tell about you at all.
Everything does happen for a reason, it's called science. You have no right to laugh at atheists because you don't even understand atheism. You're overestimating the christian population, just because they go to church, sing the hymns and pray doesn't mean that they aren't deconstructing and no longer call themselves a Christian, it just means they're in the atheistic closet because they don't feel like explaining themselves to narrow minded individuals like you. I as an atheist can laugh at theistic Satanism after reading a book written by one of them with them explaining their beliefs and the magic they practice, you on the other hand cannot because you believe in magic and you'd be mocking God and the devil and you're not supposed to be reading such books anyways. I think both political parties are insane, it depends on who you talk to and whether or not they're willing to get out of their bias bubble or not. Someone like Timmy who has practiced Christianity before has every right to laugh at their past beliefs whereas you in the other hand have no right to laugh at because you never practiced it, just like a christian who once was Jewish can laugh at their old beliefs, you in the other hand cannot laugh at or make fun of Judaism because you have never practiced it before, it's not your position or business and you don't have the knowledge to make fun of what you don't understand, especially since you're stuck in your little bias bubble. Everything that you find interesting is pretty much middle school science and psychology. You laughing at other peoples point of view, ignoring certain things and cherry picking information that you want is called cognitive dissonance. You certainly have cognitive dissonance, that's not hard to tell at all. Cognitive dissonance is a middle school psychology concept so if you still find that interesting you really need to do some research and get out of your tiny narrow minded beliefs/ bias bubble.
Everything does happen for a reason, it's called science. You have no right to laugh at atheists because you don't even understand atheism. You're overestimating the christian population, just because they go to church, sing the hymns and pray doesn't mean that they aren't deconstructing and no longer call themselves a Christian, it just means they're in the atheistic closet because they don't feel like explaining themselves to narrow minded individuals like you. I as an atheist can laugh at theistic Satanism after reading a book written by one of them with them explaining their beliefs and the magic they practice, you on the other hand cannot because you believe in magic and you'd be mocking God and the devil and you're not supposed to be reading such books anyways. I think both political parties are insane, it depends on who you talk to and whether or not they're willing to get out of their bias bubble or not. Someone like Timmy who has practiced Christianity before has every right to laugh at their past beliefs whereas you in the other hand have no right to laugh at because you never practiced it, just like a christian who once was Jewish can laugh at their old beliefs, you in the other hand cannot laugh at or make fun of Judaism because you have never practiced it before, it's not your position or business and you don't have the knowledge to make fun of what you don't understand, especially since you're stuck in your little bias bubble. Everything that you find interesting is pretty much middle school science and psychology. You laughing at other peoples point of view, ignoring certain things and cherry picking information that you want is called cognitive dissonance. You certainly have cognitive dissonance, that's not hard to tell at all. Cognitive dissonance is a middle school psychology concept so if you still find that interesting you really need to do some research and get out of your tiny narrow minded beliefs/ bias bubble.
Hi Timmy. Why are you more relaxed now, and why do you say you have such an experience of being better both towards yourself and others? Because you were under false teachings presented as teaching of Jesus. According to true teaching, a believer is dead to sin, so, the point is to live in the newness of life without referencing sins in the context of the law. The central point should be Christ Jesus and who the believer has become in Him, not what they can or cannot do. The law mindest is there to conedemn a person, that's why you felt that way. They gave you law and called it "grace". Grace is not a law, and law is not a grace. God is giving his grace for free, you just need to believe it. God haven't asked you to be under a constant fear and strugle of "can I do this, and can I do that".
So why is god even needed at all? I could just do the things i always wanted and felt is right, instead of seeking anyone's permission. So god is a frivolous item, it was something inserted into an equation that never even needed to be in there
Roman catholics (which make up a larger majority than any other kind of Christian) would disagree with you almost entirely and call you a heretic. They are heavy on law and not so generous with the grace thing as you seem to be. Just letting you know. Even Christians can't agree with each other on such simple matters. You're all lying to yourselves
I don't understand how you lived in delusion for over 40 years, preached that delusion, and now that you've come out of it, you seem very sure about your new understanding of life. What if you've only scraped off one layer of delusion? You just seem very sure of yourself, which is surprising to me given your history.
In the wizard of Oz, the wizard seemed mysterious and powerful. But once the curtain was pulled back exposing the mortal and fallible man really behind it all, everything made more sense. Once it makes sense, you can't undo that. But that doesn't mean new information can't still cause one to change one's mind. I bet Timmy would lose his certainty instantly with new evidence to the contrary. And I bet he would be the first to admit his certainty in anything isn't absolute. At least that's how I'd answer.
@@tonymiller3788 fair enough, I get your point. I'm done my own deconstruction of Christianity and I'm coming to very different conclusions. I don't understand how or why people can jump to such certainty. Instead I've been embracing uncertainty and the absolute mystery of life. It's quite an enchanting path.
@larolddunahey nothing wrong with uncertainty when you have no good reason to be certain. I find compelling reasons to not believe the Abrahamic god exists. Could there be some deistic god? Sure. I don't think there is. It seems unlikely. But there's no way to know at the moment.
@@johnmonk3381 when someone goes through religious deconstruction, it is now my experience that that is only the beginning. The one being deconstructed is the personal identity, which goes far beyond religious dogma. This is the path I am currently walking on my pursuit for truth. I can see there are many points along the way where one might stop and say, hey I figured it out... But I think that's a trap. It seems the true seeker must remain open and watch reality deconstruct itself.
That's because you're not busy judging people cuz the Bible thumpers always get diverted towards who they think are the big sinners I used to tell my boss at work claiming to be Christians. You suck sucked ed be what's wrong with this picture and we would just laugh
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People have a deep need for comfort in life's many hardships, and to make sense of a confusing world. I can understand why religion would be appealing in that regard. But it's truly astounding and terrifying to see what great lengths people will go to get that comfort and "understanding." It's so so important for us to be able to just say I DON'T KNOW, and be at peace with that, or else we'll believe all kinds of crazy shi t to meet our needs.
Truth is somewhere in there in the need to have understanding in purpose. Philosophers-thinkers, etc. have a driving need to make sense whether religion is part of it (in my opinion). When I read through the Bible the first time (without concordances) just wanting to understand-truth, it gave me anguish because of the “difficult parts”. One day, after watching Gladiator (Russell Crowe), I poured my heart in anger to God. I threw at Him the What do you get out of our sufferings & watching the deaths-our wars, etc. that was a dark time when I came close to leaving my faith. As time went on, I would have what I call-awarenesses-thoughts that I hadn’t read somewhere else such as thinking how I couldn’t stand the misery I experienced or knew of in the world, but what must it be like to experience it in the trillions of time by God. I thought-I’d explode. I began to have thoughts like that-ultimately began to think about what “free will” is. To my way of thinking at that time, I didn’t really have it. Countering that came what I read that God hates…oppression is one of them. Who oppresses who? People do it to each other. Groups-tribes (some take bribes) (another thing God doesn’t like is flattery for gain & being vain). When a person dives into the meaning of words, one finds all sorts of things. I think I became more real when I could admit that I didn’t know God but I wanted to. My prayer life improved. The list of complaints can be long. Then I read about how complaining isn’t something God likes. The “why” leads me into the meaning of what complaining means. Stagnant water. That’s what I learned in Bible study. I began to realize that our world is built on what God didn’t like & said what not to do. Talk about rebellion. How will we learn about right & wrong on our own? There are so many ways to see (perspectives). The pricelessness of awareness leads us to interesting knowledge. Personally, I’m thanking God for having a mind-body to experience living, which includes awareness of pain, suffering as well as why I need “self-control”. Excesses lead to cliff diving. No way will I stop seeking God-to love Him with all my heart, soul-strength and to love others as myself. I fall short if I mock others lack of knowledge. There’s a reason for “with all your getting, to get understanding-wisdom”. I see the Bible as a mirror to human nature. I took to saying some years ago, that if there’s a way to go crooked, I’d find it on my own. Also -if my life depended on me being perfect-no mistakes, I’d be dead. In my own life-I’m looking for a relationship with God, not “religion” .
@d.c.603 The Bible is a "mirror to human nature" as you say because it's man-made. This is why it doesn't say "Thou shalt not own people as property" or "wash they hands before eating,"....because nobody had possibly considered that slavery was objectively immoral or that germs cause disease. Men wrote it, men created God, not the other way around. But I'm glad you found something that comforts you.
Back in October of 2020 I lost one of my very few friends. A person so good, so noble, so correct in every aspect of his life, that every person who knew him felt privileged to called it a friend.
When someone came with the whole " everything happens for a reason" argument in his wake, I felt so insulted. So betrayed. So rage full. It was a nonsense cliché phrase to end the conversation. That phrase more that my friend's death started me in the road to de conversion. Today I am an atheist. Today I can understand that simply put, shit happens. And the universe doesn't care about what happened or to whom
I’m sorry you lost such a dear friend, and then had to listen to crap like that!! I’ve experienced similar myself, and it IS rage inducing.
My mom died from cancer when I was only 9, and I had to hear people spout that same garbage to me, *as a freaking child.* 30 years later and it still hurts & angers me to no end.
I got a lot of BS like, “God had a higher purpose for your mom!”, “She was so special to God, he called her home early!”, “God had big plans for your mom in heaven, so she had to go.” Blah blah blah, kiss my ass.
As a grown adult now, I can’t fathom expecting a little kid to be okay with answers like that. Expecting verbal tripe like that to ease their broken heart from such a traumatic loss.
For me, it made me feel worse, and I couldn’t even express that to anyone around. It lead me to believe that I was unworthy of having my mother in my life. That God cared less about my needs & my heart as a little girl, because he had some “bigger, better plan.” *What could be a more important priority for a parent than caring for their child?* Its insulting.
I figure if answers like that can help a person with their own individual loss, that they can tell themselves those things and feel comforted, then that’s fine. But nobody should go around saying those things to others who’ve experienced loss, and expect them to feel better after hearing it.
It’s the same with platitudes- I HATE platitudes. They’re so invalidating and devoid of empathy.
I came back to add this part to anyone who read my first reply (OP or another reader) because I thought I should also add a better alternative for addressing such great loss.
My response is based on what I’ve learned throughout the years, whether it be through studying psychology, or just personal experience.
I know in my case I really wish my dad had put me into grief counseling as soon as my mom died. He didn’t, and still has no good reason as to why not.
Main thing I’ve learned is this- painful things happen in life. Truly devastating things. And most times, there’s absolutely zero reason why it happened. We are going to hurt, and it’s okay. We’re going to be angry about it, and it’s okay. Hell, it should be expected!
I don’t know if you experienced this with your religious background, but I know having grown up with your typical American Evangelical Christianity, I was taught that anger was wrong, and more or less sinful. Especially anger at god. 🙄
So I ended up having to swallow all of my anger and grief over losing my mom, for years on end, and that absolutely lead me to developing serious health problems.
Anyway, back on topic- most of the time, traumatic experiences happen in life for no good reason at all. And even though we humans are always looking for meaning & reason behind bad things, there’s often none to be found. And that’s okay. We experience horrific pain, *and we should be allowed to feel all of it.*
We should be allowed to feel the rage & anger, the grief, the soul-sucking agony, without reproach or stupid, surface level “bandages.”
However, we don’t have to continue suffering from it. Wounds will always hurt, but suffering can be mitigated, maybe even avoided all together.
Some wounds will be with us for the rest of our lives, that’s a solid fact. And the best, most healing thing we can do, is learn how to carry them.
How we carry those wounds will probably differ person to person, but I know that most of us will be able to. We’re a resilient species! As long as we’re allowed to feel it all, process it all (in a healthy way!), and have our grief acknowledged and accepted by others, we WILL be able to carry those wounds, with love, and hopefully with comfort.
@@Ashaliyevawow thank you for your post we don't have a grief counselor here so I went to a hospice nurse I tell you what I have lost my daughter 3 months ago I lost my mom 18 years ago she told me that hey have it done been able to grieve the loss of my mom I couldn't believe it I've been going through life just carrying around the loss of two husbands and my mom and my youngest daughter because I've had to raise my kids on my own in your post is correct I buried them because I needed to but with the loss of my daughter all the pain everything just came out of me and I'm left with just nothing butt I had a celebration of life done for my daughter and she had asked me and I told her I said this song was the day I had her the song was you know just memories of good times I had with her and then some other songs that were important to me and some other songs that were put in there that you know with her friends that they wanted to add in there and it kind of explained her entire life no and then at I put songs in there that we used to laugh at you know goofy songs heavy metal songs all kinds of stuff they were fun stories about her life and then love very last song was that for the next to the last song was that she what's the song from a band in I just thought the song Fits so well the singer gets on his Pegasus and he's gone on the on his trip Across the Universe when is pegasus with the white wings and he's got the key to Eternity and he's just flying off and then the very last song I put in there the hospice nurse wanted to know which song it was because the very last words were a star cannot shine without Darkness behind and yet Life Goes On I want to thank you for your post it meant so to me because the loss of my daughter everything came out everything the loss of my mom the loss of Mighty husbands everything I will find a way to get through it
I like what Dan Barker said about sin: “Sin is an imaginary problem with an imaginary solution.”
As a gnostic christian I fully agree with Dan Barker. In the non canonical scripture that was banned by the church, The Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Yeshua himself says "There is no sin, but the sin you create for yourselves" Ancient pre-church christians have much in common with the atheist and agnostic.
@TheGnosticGospelHour Tell me more about this I'm very interested
@@TheGnosticGospelHour And that is no surprise to any true disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ. The gnostics were phonies and not in any way one would call "Christian". No wonder the early church fathers rejected their nonsense. They did not believe in the diety of Jesus Christ...so out the door.
do you know your sick toxic empty religious cult called atheism will die soon and none will even notice or cry for it?
A highly religious relative of mine hit a deer on his motorcycle and ended up in the hospital pretty beat up. Reading the comments on his facebook post were enlightening. Person after person saying how glad they were that "God protected" him. WTF, can they not see how ridiculous a statement that is? You're not dead, just nearly dead. Must be god was protecting you.
If I protected my kids like that, I'd be in jail.
Exactly!
If god was protecting him I think he should get a lawyer. That would an open and shut case for malpractice. 😂
Of course you don't understand. If you don't know Jesus and understand God, how could you possibly see what good could come from this motorcycle accident.
@christophergibson7155 I never said anything about good coming out of it, one way or another.
But since you brought it up, do you believe all suffering is necessary in order to cause a greater good?
Let's say my kids were being physically abused by someone to the point that they were covered in bruises head to toe like my relative who hit the deer, and I knew before hand that it would happen, didn't do anything to prevent it even though I had the power to, and didn't report the abuser to the police.
When the police find out and question me about why I didn't prevent it or report it, I respond with, "it was for their good," I bet I'm now going to be investigated for enabling child abuse. And I doubt a single person will thank me for protecting my kids.
Not to mention, where was the deer's god? 😂
But seriously, I had a boss who had a cutesy little engraved plaque on their desk with a phrase based on the bible verse about god seeing the sparrow fall. Wait a minute and let me look that crap up, Ok, here it is: Matt 10:29-31 "Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father's care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." So this plaque had some simplified version of this verse with a little bird statue glued to it. I looked down at it and asked, "if your god's so all powerful, why did he let the sparrow fall in the first place? Today it's the bird, tomorrow it's you." Stunned silence.
When people say " everything happens for a reason ", it means they have no interest in getting to know you or helping you.
Or they just don't have anything to say that's all they know what to say that's what I think anyway when somebody says that
We go out in the world and take our chances
Fate is just the weight of circumstances
That's the way that Lady Luck dances
Roll the bones.
Why are we here?
Because we're here
Roll the bones.
Why does it happen?
Because it happens
Roll the bones.
/ Neil Elwood Peart.
I love this song. It helps me let go and just be okay.
When something bad happens, either we get the blame or Satan does. When something good happens: "Praise God"!
@@jaysonjacob2891 hallelujah 😂
@@timmygibsonkc 😄
Seriously Timmy, never edit. These videos make you so authentic. I'm actually inspired by that.
You seriously need more views and subscribers. Love your content!
Well I appreciate that.
Every does happen for a reason.
Yes, cause and effect.
I love creators that keep it real and don't edit out coughs, etc. 😂 Cough bro, cough!! ❤❤❤
From a fundamental christian perspective life has less meaning because their “real” home isn’t here. So they don’t care as much about other people as much as they care about “spreading the word”. Most of my family is very fundamental and it’s hard because you can’t teach empathy, you have to learn it yourself. My love for others has only grown since coming out of it because I see people as people, and not aliens who need to be fixed. Thanks for your videos ❤
No heaven, no hell, life is just easier and happier when your nice.
Yeah my Dad claims he full of love and wants to love everyone. However, he thinks I have a lot of hatred. I feel it okay not to love everyone. It annoys me when he says it as they are always constantly asking for forgiveness all the time as they are always doing something wrong!
The biggest thing that's terrifying about too much empathy is people can use it against you. There are people without a real concept of empathy, and when you get into a relationship with one romantic or otherwise, your life can be endangered wetter that be physically, emotionally, or financially.
I wish I could meet you and your family 😌
I would love to just have a conversation with you about all this deconstruction and deconversion. So far I'm just coming out publicly as an atheist to people I used to go to church with.
Welcome to your new family!
Thank you!
Or you could keep it private. Because ultimately it's your personal choice and you do not need to explain anything nor "come out" to anyone
@@johnmonk3381 true. But to a decent extent I do need to explain it due to a situation that happened in the past with someone else I accidentally started a deconversion process with (she was a bit crazy though and went into other religions and started manipulating everyone around her including me whereas I just gave up on religion as a whole and pretty much hid from people and got a bit sneaky about it). I don't know. I agree but I also disagree. I especially shouldn't explain myself to my fake friends/ fake relationships in the Christian church, but I'm not going to go out of my way and lie to them either. I'm not manipulate them into thinking I'm a Christian when I'm not. I'd rather just be flat out honest with them.
@@eleanor_m355 I agree sometimes you need to make your stand clear. Especially when pesky apologetics start swarming around you like flies. My best wishes to your new chapter in life.
Any time I hear someone say "Everything Happens For a Reason" (religious or not), I know they are a shallow, non-thinking individual.
Sounds rather prideful. I wonder what they think when you make your comments to them?
I have always hated that saying. It's so not true and in fact incredibly damaging especially when used in the context of tragedy.
@@artistscafe.podcast Agreed!
Love all the laughs in this episode, keep them coming
The Truth shall set you free.. ✌️
I think the reason that (on average) we act better is because we have no parental god figure watching and intervening when we mess things up. We have to act as adults who are responsible for each other's wellbeing. If we don't give people second chances, if we don't help people in need, then the next person will have to, so we might as well step up. If we don't talk and act with integrity we know there are consequences of that, and god's forgiveness isn't going to bail us out of our nonsense!
Imagine telling someone who lost thier child to cancer, that it happened "for a reason".
"The child was needed in heaven..." Yeah, such crazy things can sometimes be heard from Christian's mouths. 🤢
I would tell that person literally to fucking go straight to hell. Even if it caused a huge scene in a public place
Everything happens for a reason. The reason is caused by your own actions, for better or worse. We have to take responsibilty and change our behavior if we want the good.
I'd rather know that doing something is not good for our health or humanity than see it as wrong or sinful. We humans and all living things on Earth are NOT sinful.
Your last question was a good one. I think that as a Christian all those no-no’s were just so tempting. You wondered why they were sinful and wanted to do them to see for yourself. But now that I am on the other side, it’s more like I can chose whatever I want and all the appeal the bad things had drops away. I’m not sure I’m making sense, but there you have it.
Noooo! Don't edit! You're so funny! I laugh along with you!
@21:13 you say..." i am no expert..." and from your advice @ 20:46 i from here agree MERCI 1.5cents
Sounds like magical thinking. Haunted me for years.
Also, I love your "cuss and discuss " tag line😂❤
I was raised with no religion and then became a fundamentalist and then a catholic for the last 17yrs and now I don’t believe in any of it!!
When I was a hospital chaplain, I listened to a LOT of people trying to make sense of whatever the hell just happened to them. They fell in three camps
-This is called
“Maver’s Threefold Theory of Shit”.
1. “Shit Happens for a Reason” (
means, “I don’t know what else to say and I’m too freaked out to admit how random this is”).
2. “Shit Happens and You Make a Reason Out of It;”
(e.g. your kid gets killed by a drunk driver and you respond by starting Mother’s Against Drunk Driving),
3. Shit Happens. (Self explanatory).
Love that.
Humans love story telling. They always like to tell or hear an amazing story.
Love it I'm a shit happens guy
@@kjmav10135 The ability to articulate and relate personal experiences and observations to others was a formidable trait which ensured the survival of our species. It enabled successive generations to learn from the mistakes of their forefathers and made progressive strides in many fields. Unfortunately, this also meant a great many untruths and lies got passed on as well.
Hmmm...some hospital chaplain you were. Where was The Lord Jesus Christ in your life? Not too close it sounds.
I was born into an ifb cult and I've pretty much deconstructed myself out of it I would always run to the Indian Reservation which was like 2 miles down the road because my friends dad was the pastor and I felt more ease there I enjoyed it there I felt peace there I felt connected there I am part Native American I have become a shaman and have remained so to this day. My mother was very sick and we knew that she didn't have long to live and she wanted us to go to church I went out of respect for my mom I went I didn't take communion after communion this lady sat behind me and she said to me are you her daughter ? And I said yes she said you know I've got such and such that will help your mother I turned around and I slapped the living s*** out of that lady's face and we were in church and I didn't give a s***. Nobody kicked me out nobody said anything to me I come I turned around and sat back down after the service I went and apologized to the pastor he said no apology is needed nobody likes that woman anyway. My two sisters were appalled that I did that I told them I said nobody is to respect my mother nobody within 2 months she was gone. 3 months ago I lost my youngest daughter am I a big daughter posted but this is sibling grief month so a mother doesn't just grieve for the daughters she lost she also Grieves with her children that are still alive I hate the same I need to save everything happens for a reason that's b******* people say that because I don't know what else to say that's like saying somebody in a car crash when they're racing all the time doing what they love WTF I think after you've deconstructed yourself you know deep down inside Who You Are you don't pretend to be anything other than what you are you don't have to wear a fancy robe you have to hold the fancy service you don't have to put on a show for everybody you are who you are at the core I live by the same do something kind everyday it is amazing what comes back to you. If you want to hear a real interesting story my counselor is a pastor he says he's going to convert me LOL I said no so he gave me a challenge to do he told me to read the book of Paul and then next meeting to tell him what I thought I said okay when I went back he said so I said all right the book of Paul's says believe 99 times do you know why cuz you're 100 and he was stunned by that fact he says sure I can't convert you I said nope you cannot convert me however he had major back surgery I found some wonderful Christian music and it's AI and I sent it to him and I said this is for your PT and he was just ecstatic about it he said thank you so much you can be who you are regardless you can be friends with who you want to be friends with just it doesn't change who you are inside I think that's what you're looking for why all of us deep down inside we're all different but we're all the same
I wish I lived closer to you and the people in the FB group Timmy. I don't have any family or friends around since I left Christianity. Thanks for your channel and the FB group. Love your content
I think you (and me btw) being a "better" person after deconversion is becaus now it's actually the "YOU" being in control and taking responsibility for your actions, instead of being controlled by the Great Puppetmaster or his evil Minion.
@@simonkoster or a battle with your own flesh, as if your flesh is interested in anything other than your own survival.
...Perhaps in the sense of Hegel's negation of negation. 🙂
People say this when they haven’t experienced incomprehensible suffering that has no meaning or good outcome in the end.
The world is a very terrible place and life is difficult so we have to tell ourselves something of comfort, much like a toddler and a blanket
YOU ARE SO ADORABLE (AND HILARIOUS!!!)
Always a joy to listen to you - for sure I’m gonna laugh, I know. Mmm, only 22 minutes, I think…
I understand about having to do videos over. I spent an hour or more trying to make a 10-minute video, even without the 'bug in the throat'. As for the guilt stuff, I haven't had much guilt from a variety of things you mentioned since I left Christianity.
In the same way that you are called upon to grow in your faith (if you are a believer), you can also grow in your morality and empathy towards other people. Seeing the hypocrisy and injustice of religion has caused you to focus on loving more by being a better man. You've lost your religion but not your humanity.
I like the unedited versions 😊
Just as Timmy is on earth for a reason...😂 keep it coming Bru
I know I have a girlfriend that claims to be this whatever Christian and she had the nerve to say that God needed her daughter's baby more than she did and I said I'm not going to believe that. I said what kind of God does that and she just kind of looked at me. I think it made her kind of think but how can you serve somebody that you think is going to let you carry a baby for so long and then take it from you? That's the kind of stuff that really bothers me
I think it is true and the reason is Fear..the snake in the grass. Wickedness is obvious..but hard to see Fear. Job was a righteous man but calamities came because of Fear 😊❤
I just deconstructed from Christianity and I’m so grateful for your videos. The Christian gospel never made sense to me. So many odd beliefs in it. I was only a born-again Christian for 2.5 years. I’m out now. I still don’t understand the intense heavenly like experience that put me into tears for a month after I went into a Pentecostal church. What caused that? Anyone know?
I do. It's a shared group emotion. We evolved with it to help our fragile selves escape the lion on the Savanna. We share fear and joy both actually. We can gather and experience a high when caught up in it, we invoke it through shared emotion in a field. The thing is it goes both ways. People go to protests and do stuff they regret later. It's a crowd dynamic. It is experienced by anyone for various reasons. Theists often claim the good feeling is evidence of the Holy Spirit of God. Same feeling arises when our team wins the championship or we suddenly are released from doom. It's group emotion. We interact with the physical world though our five senses but we sense and share strong emotional fields through the central nervous system. We feel that one.
Could it possibly be that "the seed" of God's Word fell on the "rocky soil" of your heart, and you could only endure the new experience for a while? Listen to the words of Jesus on this..."These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble." (Mark 4:16-17) Does this sound true for you?
@@danielpaulson8838 Those experiences of shared group emotion are only the external world we see.
Look at what Paul the Apostle encouraged the church at Corinth to see..."while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal." (2 Corintians 4:18) The new birth in Christ is eternal. It is born of incorruptible seed through the word of God that lives and abides forever." (1 Peter 1:23)
My reply was not to you. Your foil hat interpretation won't fly my Pharisee friend. I am not an idol worshiper like a Christian is.
@@christophergibson7155 So, you do not interpret and follow Jesus teachings, but worship him?
You do as Paul says.
I do as Jesus says.
Thanks for carrying the Ark for me so I can see inside. Welcome to the many called. The few chosen is for the elect. Sorry.
In the Christian org I was, taught us Bible God has GOOD REASON to allow Satan to roam around and let him tempt people and bring sufferings BECAUSE Bible God wants to ACKNOWLEDGE if His Sovereignty is RIGHT, He has to PROVE IT to the Angels that was watching Him and Lucifer arguing at Heaven about His Almighty Sovereignty when this Lucifer started to doubt about his Heavenly Father’s throne😅So this God decided that 🍎 test in Genesis😅I still wonder why did I believe this😂
Christians would probably say that the coughing fit happened for a reason, cause thats what happens when you go against sky daddy 😂, good vid Timmy
Timmy strikes again! You are my favorite agnostic/atheist (atheist when it comes to the Christian God, I hope I got that right), on TH-cam! You and Kristi Burke are head and shoulders above the angry atheists.
No such thing as an "atheist. Only a "professing atheist". They all know God exists, but they suppress the truth in their unrighteousness. (Roman 1:18-22)
@@christophergibson7155 Wow! You are a genius. I have a question for you. Say a loved one of yours doesn’t really *believe* so when they died and you died, you’d be in heaven and you’d know she is in hell for eternity for *not believing something* (kind of an extreme punishment for not believing something, no? But he’s a loving and forgiving god I guess). Would you have a good time in heaven then? Knowing your loved one is in hell?
Here’s another one: say someone told you that you have to believe that married bachelors exist or they will torture you for the rest of your life. Obviously that is unjust and anyone (such as the Biblical god) that threatens people in that way is a sociopath. How do we know that? Because we were made in his image and can judge him based on his lack of basic ethics.
@@PseudoIntellectual2.0 Your mockery does not bother me. So many who are not "in Christ" have a darkened view of the gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ. A "love one" who does not believe is not the reason they are bound for Hell.
Did you know that? They go to Hell...because they died in their sins. This is why everyone desperately needs The Lord Jesus Christ to save and rescue them from all their sin. For sin can not stand in God's presence.
It is so in opposition to His attributes and nature. God is Holy, Righteous, and Just. He must administer righteous judgment for all sin. For it is the breaking of His moral law, the 10 commandments. And Jesus came suffered, died, shed His sinless blood, and rose again from the grave 3 days later. He took the penalty, punishment, and judgment for your sin. Salvation is given by the grace of God through faith in Christ alone.
There are no excuses that will be an exception.
@@christophergibson7155 You may need psychiatric care. I’m not mocking you, I am genuinely worried.
@@christophergibson7155 You didn’t answer my questions. You just diarrheaed out some nonsense.
This ever knowing god did NOT know that Job will be faithfull to him and therefore it becomes this bizarre self-centered story on Job and about every one in his household must die to proof him faithfull. This god becomes a killing machine to try and proof his point.
Everyone missed the Carl reference 😮
You swallowed the gnat for a reason....lololol. The devil was making you “choke” on your words....lololol. Sorry, you had me chuckling.
You know its so weird that the Bible actually states that God made from the same clay some for honor and some for dishonor, meaning he literally created some people to endure the worst hardships on this planet. Yep God did that lol
There are happily good Christians and even great Christians !
They have their equivalent in the secular world as well !
Why would we think otherwise ?
In the end it's simply about good and bad people !
Religion confuses these things !
That guy you referred to was apparently a victim of his beliefs which taught him gay life style was sinful - it's sad to think that he allowed that dogma to mess up his life ??
He could have negotiated this better without all this dogma - that's for sure !
in regards to being a better person now than when you were practicing Christianity probly might be because
Your thoughts actions days so on so forth aren't completely revolving around intentionally thinking about doing right all the time
you just do you just do right mostly
when we hyper focus on certain things they somehow become a worry no matter what it is
Then ya bigger chance of getting stressed out confused and do something that's not the best
idk
I like to say everything happens for a reason with a lowercase r.
There was a Max Lucado commercial 😂👍🏼
Why wouldn't God save Jesus? He doesn't save his own son but he will save a complete stranger?
You have not understood the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was God's will that Jesus suffer and die to for sins of the world. Jesus willingly laid His life down. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (John 10:18) Jesus did not need to be saved by His Father. He died to save and rescue YOU from all sin.
Until you realise that all men fall short from the goodness of God - For he is Holy. We are all sinners in our human nature, God sent his own Som willing so that no one would perish- Their souls - not because we have earned it. But it reflects on Gods Mercy, Grace and Love for Humanity
Where, which stranger did he save? Feeling "saved" is in the mind of the person that believes he was saved.
@@pinky9440 Being "saved" is not in one's mind only. The soul is saved. The spirit is made alive in Christ.
It's the "gospel train" in the proper order...FAITH--FACTS--FEELINGS. (Notice: feelings are the caboose.)
@@christophergibson7155 The ramblings of a Christian to try and explain something that they can't explain but believe they should try.
Bone cancer in a 2 year old?...
My son got leukemia at 18 months....he survived thankfully. But it may have ruined my mind, with the PTSD and all that. For what???
@@aaronparker1221 Wow. thank goodness he is better.
@69camaro19 yes thank you, I'm grateful he was too young to remember all the horrors of that long journey. Living in a children's hospital for a year I saw many wonderful, brilliant people working hard to save lives. God was nowhere to be found of course
I can't stand that "everything happens for a reason" saying. Whenever someone says that to me, my response is always, "Yeah, and the reason is that I'm stupid and make bad decisions." 😂 The look on people's faces is priceless.
Aahhh, you must be talking about Ted Haggard. There are somewhat recent "Where is he now" videos here on TH-cam.
I took a gal home from a bar one night and in the morning I turned around and saw her naked and I immediately turned into a pillar of salt. That's when I embraced Jesus. I missed my nap today. Who believes this crazy stuff, anyway?
I know many ppl won't understand me but I can deal with my son having brain cancer a lot easier if I'm not believing in God. I don't have to ask why and why doesn't he get healed. And what is the reason for it in the whole "everything happens for a reason" crap.
@TLC717 sorry you have to go through that. I can't imagine. Be strong.
@@tonymiller3788 thank you 🤗
I am so sorry. Hugs
It must be a very strange experience to laugh at 30 years of ridiculousness in your own life. Most people who are stuck in really big mistakes are stuck for life, because when it comes to forgiving themselves they can't go beyond silly me, I forgot the keys.
Nickel-costels are worth 5 times as much as Penny-costels.
Buh-dum-ching😂
That bug was God trying to get your attention! 😂😂😂 jk
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Wonder what the reason is for 10,000 children starving to death daily? 🤔 When GAWDUH could just drop mana from heaven. I'm sure "HE" 🙄 has his reasons.
He has a Micro church in colorado now. Whatever that means.
Jesus loves you
@Jc_Melodie "this I know. FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO."
Now go listen to some Paulogia so you'll get the reference.
Is there a reason why I can reply to everyone else's comments on here and see their comments and replies and my replies but I can't reply to this one cocky Christian fellow? Lol
I've been trying quite a bit and TH-cam won't load it. Did he just block everyone on here who thinks differently than him? Haha 😂😂
That would be hilarious!
I didn't say anything offensive just why he's wrong, but you know for some self-righteous religious people telling them they're wrong is equivalent to cussing in their eyes so you know, haha! 😂😂🤦🙈
You don't NEED to edit your videos. The impromptu way you present your content as it is now is a big reason why you have gained so many subscribers so quickly. Don't change a thing! P.S. Loved the "Job" part. Makes ZERO sense for a loving god.
Evil is real Timmy..but it's not region that owns the antidote. Iff you don't think pedophilia is evil or a so-called sin..there is something rong with you.
😮😂
I dont say good reason, instead its Divine Intervention. I don't agree with your belief structure but i do agree with you that us "Christians" can be the worst.. Jesus would be rolling over in His grave (if He hadnt Risen😉) with MANY of the comments i read. We are supposed to be loving..not eternal judges. Im just another sinner , doesn't really matter what each of us think since we cannot know what happens next without actually dying..I'm sorry you've switched sides but perhaps on the other side He is waiting with open arms?..(and all the answers you think you need to the "confusion" from this life)..take care friend✌️
Coughing on a bug in your throat reminded me of how I would "strain at a gnat" as a Christian. lol
Jimmy Sinner. 😂😂
You weren't all over the place. You were natural. People are better people when they know they can do so on their own volition, having been released from the ancient overbearing god demands of Jesus! In short, people decide good for themselves when they realize they can reasonably do so, free of fear and threats. Good naturally flows from a free mind.
Being objective while listening to you, I think you are still witnessing (to use christianese). Before (had I listened to you) you would have been sharing what God was doing for you. Now you share what He didn’t do. Either way, it’s your perspective. We have nothing to compare your life to as we didn’t know you. ?if you are better or worse than before.
What is God doing for the thousands of people in Florida who now have no homes because of a hurricane that God allowed? I would like an answer and not a platitude please.
Listen to atheist video, ad comes up for bible-study 😂😂😂😂.
God sent a bug to shut you up but Satan defeated him with coffee. Either that or you swallowed a bug.
What? Haha 😂😂
Well bad things happening promote growth, determination, praying, etc. And I don’t think many people mean it in a literal sense like you’re saying. This doesn’t make sense in a free will paradigm.
You admit that everything happens for a reason in terms of cause and effect. That would mean there would need to be an unactualized actualizer. Because from a naturalist paradigm you would be applying that statement to things within the realm of scientifically testable things. So the thing that creates all would need to be independent of the natural world, just like morality is. This is shown from the argument of change.
Example: a cup of coffee on the table doesn’t actualize its own state of sitting on a table. Same with a light hanging above it. But the coffee is actualized by the table it’s on, the table by the foundation of the home, that then of the earth; the light is actualized by the chain it’s hanging from, the chain from the ceiling, that from the walls, that from the foundation, and again that from the earth. So the earth indirectly actualized both the coffee and the light’s potential to be where they are, and outside of time, since they’re both simultaneously in the actualized state that they’re in. Therefore we see there’s a hierarchical relationship that all objects have (or as you said, cause and effect). When you get into the details you get further into the coffee in the cup coming from a process, the water from the hydrogen and oxygen, etc. The point being is that you need to have a justification for all the actualized potentials. This would then lead to something outside of nature because it would need to be timeless to create time, incorporeal to create things made of matter, omniscient due to knowing everything that’s been created, omnipotent due to actualizing all potentials and being the only uncaused cause, etc. There’s obviously a more detailed explanation, but that’s a bit too much to type here. Look into Ed Feser’s Five Proofs (Aristotelian inspired change argument; 1st argument).
How much do I have to pay you to change your mind
You wouldn’t be able to pay him anything. Nothing. And it wouldn’t be worth it, because he truly wouldn’t believe still. He is going to be rocked to his core. He will preach truth again this time with conviction. He just doesn’t know it yet. Revival is happening.
Money can't make one change one's mind. It can only make one PRETEND to change one's mind.
@@tonymiller3788 perhaps I miss worded that statement. I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is to prove it to Timmy but since you’re not Timmy it really doesn’t matter
@garyhershkowitz3435 I'd make that bet with you, but before I did, I'd like to know how you would prove it. In fact,, just skip the bet and explain how you would prove the Christian god is real. If you can do that I WANT TO KNOW. You wouldn't need to pay me and if you really had proof I'd immediately change my mind.
@@tonymiller3788 long story Tony. It involves math that we are not privy to here on earth. Far too much to text and reveals to much of my personal information to do in public but the people around me have had there brains spin in there skull when I walk them through the information.
Whenmy daughter died i became a shit happens dude. There is no sense in trying to make sense of stuff that doesnt make sense, you follow lol
I'm bisexual and it is exhausting listening to people think that bi= not monogamous.
I just love who I love, no matter their gender. I was married to a woman monogamously for 5 years, and I've been in a monogamous relationship with a man for the last ten.
Bi doesn't equal needing both.
Thanks for reading, I love your content!!❤🎉
It's the lords' will!!
Dude, my daughter is not a Christian. She believes in the UNIVERSE... she's NEW AGE. SHE SAYS THAT LINE ALL THE TIME. It's not exclusive to Christianity. Come on dude.
What new age things does she believe in? Just because Christian nonsense is believed by a lot of people and is old, that means it is somehow better than her new age beliefs? Come on deud.
Also, I bet you’d call many forms of CBT “new age.”
@SFBagent I'm a Christian! Jerusalem still exists. Jews still exist. Atheists common problem with Christianity is usually based on either CATHOLICISM, or SOUTHERN BAPTISTS. There's usually a common theme. My daughter believes in an afterlife, which is the prerequisite to any religious beliefs. You don't believe in an afterlife, obviously. Timmy doesn't know what to believe. But he thinks he's an expert in what not to believe. Yet, even in that he doesn't have a clue. I wonder what he would say to FORMER atheists who had NDE'S.
@@PseudoIntellectual2.0 Have you considered ASTRO PROJECTION? Forget your MINDFULNESS... That's weak.
@@chapmaned24 No. A few bad apples in Christianity is not why I’m atheist. Why would I believe something that I don’t believe due to a lack of evidence?
Timmy, you clearly have your opinions about things like those of us who are Christians do, and what makes sense to you makes no sense to me and vice versa. It is sort of like how liberals are insane to me but conservatives are insane to liberals. We have a completely different world view. I believe that is by design and everything does happen for a reason and that makes perfect sense to me. You laugh at what Christians think and I laugh at what atheists think. Do you ever wonder why that is? Do you ever wonder why atheists are so few in number compared to Christians in America even though many of us have heard all of your best arguments? These are things I find interesting, how different people look at things even after hearing the same arguments.
@@jbutero1 LOL yeah everything happens for a reason, it's called SCIENCE! 🤯
Mind blown right. That's really funny that you are overestimating the population within Christianity because some people go to church convince you that they're still a Christian even if they don't consider themselves a Christian anymore because they don't want to explain themselves or be honest with someone as narrow minded as you. The explanation you're looking for when you ask why people keep the same opinion despite good arguments and evidence is called cognitive dissonance which is definitely practiced by christianity, I can already tell you have it simply by reading your comment. Atheist really are not so few in number anymore LOL. Maybe you should try doing some actual research for once rather than just passing on random claims other people have said such as your pastor in order to manipulate you into staying in your narrow mind of religion.
@@jbutero1 the things you find "interesting" are already answered by science. That's like maybe middle school science bro. I'm sorry to say. Yeah, it's not as complicated as an answer as you think. Christian's are more likely to be hypocritical laughing at others beliefs then atheists. I can laugh what theistic devil worshipping satanists think because from the book I read about it they practice weird shit, a Christian on the other hand has no right to be laughing at the stuff I as an atheist laugh about because Christians believe in magic too and plus they shouldn't even be reading satanistic books considering that they're scared of Satan, don't want to offend god and all. The point is that atheists do have a right to laugh at what other religious people think, religious people on the other hand is don't have a right because they don't fully understand what atheists think, they don't fully understand what other religions think, ect.
Christians are more likely to be stuck in their little bubble of bias therefore they really don't have a right to be laughing at atheists or any other religious person because atheists do the research, christians don't. You laughing at atheists and other religions is just your own ignorance and stupidity, sorry to say bro. I think both liberals and conservatives are insane and can be both be very stupid at times, it really depends on the individual and whether or not how willing they are or aren't to decide to get out of their bias bubble.
Everything does happen for a reason it's called science. You have no right to laugh at atheists because you don't even understand atheism. You're overestimating the christian population, some people are in the atheist closet so just because they claim to be a Christian doesn't mean they are and just because they still go to church doesn't make them christian, they just don't want to tell narrow minded people like you so they stay in the closet and still sing the hymns and everything else. I as an atheist can laugh at theistic Satanism after reading a book on their beliefs, you on the other hand cannot because you believe in magic and you'd be mocking the devil and possibly God. I think both liberals and conservatives are insane, it all depends on the person you interact with and whether or not they're willing to get out of their bubble of bias. Someone who is an atheist similar to Timmy's position who practiced Christianity once has every right to laugh at their past beliefs, you on the other hand have no right to laugh at it since you're still stuck in your bias bubble. Everything that you find interesting is pretty much middle school science and psychology. It's not complicated. You laughing at other peoples views and ignoring their point of views and cherry picking it is called cognitive dissonance. You certainly have cognitive dissonance, that is not hard to tell about you at all.
Everything does happen for a reason, it's called science. You have no right to laugh at atheists because you don't even understand atheism. You're overestimating the christian population, just because they go to church, sing the hymns and pray doesn't mean that they aren't deconstructing and no longer call themselves a Christian, it just means they're in the atheistic closet because they don't feel like explaining themselves to narrow minded individuals like you. I as an atheist can laugh at theistic Satanism after reading a book written by one of them with them explaining their beliefs and the magic they practice, you on the other hand cannot because you believe in magic and you'd be mocking God and the devil and you're not supposed to be reading such books anyways. I think both political parties are insane, it depends on who you talk to and whether or not they're willing to get out of their bias bubble or not. Someone like Timmy who has practiced Christianity before has every right to laugh at their past beliefs whereas you in the other hand have no right to laugh at because you never practiced it, just like a christian who once was Jewish can laugh at their old beliefs, you in the other hand cannot laugh at or make fun of Judaism because you have never practiced it before, it's not your position or business and you don't have the knowledge to make fun of what you don't understand, especially since you're stuck in your little bias bubble. Everything that you find interesting is pretty much middle school science and psychology. You laughing at other peoples point of view, ignoring certain things and cherry picking information that you want is called cognitive dissonance. You certainly have cognitive dissonance, that's not hard to tell at all. Cognitive dissonance is a middle school psychology concept so if you still find that interesting you really need to do some research and get out of your tiny narrow minded beliefs/ bias bubble.
Everything does happen for a reason, it's called science. You have no right to laugh at atheists because you don't even understand atheism. You're overestimating the christian population, just because they go to church, sing the hymns and pray doesn't mean that they aren't deconstructing and no longer call themselves a Christian, it just means they're in the atheistic closet because they don't feel like explaining themselves to narrow minded individuals like you. I as an atheist can laugh at theistic Satanism after reading a book written by one of them with them explaining their beliefs and the magic they practice, you on the other hand cannot because you believe in magic and you'd be mocking God and the devil and you're not supposed to be reading such books anyways. I think both political parties are insane, it depends on who you talk to and whether or not they're willing to get out of their bias bubble or not. Someone like Timmy who has practiced Christianity before has every right to laugh at their past beliefs whereas you in the other hand have no right to laugh at because you never practiced it, just like a christian who once was Jewish can laugh at their old beliefs, you in the other hand cannot laugh at or make fun of Judaism because you have never practiced it before, it's not your position or business and you don't have the knowledge to make fun of what you don't understand, especially since you're stuck in your little bias bubble. Everything that you find interesting is pretty much middle school science and psychology. You laughing at other peoples point of view, ignoring certain things and cherry picking information that you want is called cognitive dissonance. You certainly have cognitive dissonance, that's not hard to tell at all. Cognitive dissonance is a middle school psychology concept so if you still find that interesting you really need to do some research and get out of your tiny narrow minded beliefs/ bias bubble.
Hi Timmy.
Why are you more relaxed now, and why do you say you have such an experience of being better both towards yourself and others? Because you were under false teachings presented as teaching of Jesus. According to true teaching, a believer is dead to sin, so, the point is to live in the newness of life without referencing sins in the context of the law. The central point should be Christ Jesus and who the believer has become in Him, not what they can or cannot do. The law mindest is there to conedemn a person, that's why you felt that way. They gave you law and called it "grace".
Grace is not a law, and law is not a grace.
God is giving his grace for free, you just need to believe it. God haven't asked you to be under a constant fear and strugle of "can I do this, and can I do that".
So why is god even needed at all? I could just do the things i always wanted and felt is right, instead of seeking anyone's permission. So god is a frivolous item, it was something inserted into an equation that never even needed to be in there
@johnmonk3381 john monk I see alot of your comments on these channels and I like them
Roman catholics (which make up a larger majority than any other kind of Christian) would disagree with you almost entirely and call you a heretic. They are heavy on law and not so generous with the grace thing as you seem to be. Just letting you know. Even Christians can't agree with each other on such simple matters. You're all lying to yourselves
I don't understand how you lived in delusion for over 40 years, preached that delusion, and now that you've come out of it, you seem very sure about your new understanding of life. What if you've only scraped off one layer of delusion? You just seem very sure of yourself, which is surprising to me given your history.
In the wizard of Oz, the wizard seemed mysterious and powerful. But once the curtain was pulled back exposing the mortal and fallible man really behind it all, everything made more sense. Once it makes sense, you can't undo that.
But that doesn't mean new information can't still cause one to change one's mind.
I bet Timmy would lose his certainty instantly with new evidence to the contrary. And I bet he would be the first to admit his certainty in anything isn't absolute.
At least that's how I'd answer.
@@tonymiller3788 fair enough, I get your point. I'm done my own deconstruction of Christianity and I'm coming to very different conclusions. I don't understand how or why people can jump to such certainty. Instead I've been embracing uncertainty and the absolute mystery of life. It's quite an enchanting path.
@larolddunahey nothing wrong with uncertainty when you have no good reason to be certain.
I find compelling reasons to not believe the Abrahamic god exists.
Could there be some deistic god? Sure. I don't think there is. It seems unlikely. But there's no way to know at the moment.
@@larolddunaheyafter deconstruction, why wouldn't a certain sense of order take shape, one which has nothing to do with god or religious beliefs?
@@johnmonk3381 when someone goes through religious deconstruction, it is now my experience that that is only the beginning. The one being deconstructed is the personal identity, which goes far beyond religious dogma. This is the path I am currently walking on my pursuit for truth. I can see there are many points along the way where one might stop and say, hey I figured it out... But I think that's a trap. It seems the true seeker must remain open and watch reality deconstruct itself.
That's because you're not busy judging people cuz the Bible thumpers always get diverted towards who they think are the big sinners I used to tell my boss at work claiming to be Christians. You suck sucked ed be what's wrong with this picture and we would just laugh