Reminder to not start any witch-hunts please, just thought it would be a fun subject to debate. At the end of the day it's up to the judges to decide not us :)
I don't think the judge stated anything in that case. Usually if you do that and it's noticed once (like it was in game 1) he just gets a warning, but the fact he does it once again in game 3 hasn't been noticed (it is not said in the video). If the judge was called then the judge should sanction him, depending on how bad they think hos actions were (it can go from losing the duel, to being expelled from tournaments for a while)
No the judge can make a ruling but we all know the truth. Just how OJ was found not guilty yet we know he did it. To think just because a judge makes a ruling we all have to ignore reality is quite foolish or gullible to be honest.
Guy clearly knew what he was doing putting it back in the same spot twice before playing Anima. Or he's just really bad at the game and has to read cards and not know to put them back in the same place but somehow made it into the finals/semi's of a YCS...
Agree. I think in their first time, they do it accidentally since it looks like they check the card quickly and put it in the closest zone from their hand. But the second time it looks deliberate
@@wafflehat7369 More like "It's sad that it's not even strange that it happened twice." in this case, sometimes the meme needs a bit of editing to fit the scenario
So it seems to be deliberate. Multiple attempts at placing the card in the exact column for anima can’t be a coincidence. Especially when it’s a deck that plays anima being voiceless. And the other player was aware of this fact by not playing into them in the first place!
He was cheating both times. His hand gestures tell the entire story. I've known many players who try to cheese wins as much as possible, even though they looked innocent enough. Even went as far as getting arrested for stealing from friends. This guy was eager to grab the cards and deliberate in his placement, not allowing his opponent to place the card themselves when they even reached out to take it back.
@@Oridan1 Technically, he never did, the closest you could reasonably claim to be him cheating was him willing cards to the top of his deck in the final duel, but that's classified in show as more of a technique, regardless of what you might think. Also, if you're thinking of the first season, do remember that Duel Monsters was still a cross between a card game and DnD during duelist kingdom so things just did not behave the way they do in the real life game.
@@homerman76Giving Joey Time Wizard so he'd be able to use it against him later was pretty underhanded, but I'm not sure if it rises to the level of cheating.
Just saying the offical yugioh twitch channel perma banned me for saying the judges should of caught this there was also a moment where the judge didn't know what game it was and the PLAYER had to remind them it was game 3
The mods on the twitch channel have extremely fragile ego's. I've also been banned from the chat. Despite how chat will always catch these plays before a judge sitting right there.
It's not that their egos are fragile, it's actually that they want you to stay silent so you're not doing a better job than they are. Hence the bans from chat. @@SilverHyozanryu
Dude if he really did not know the card and need to read it, aint no way he sees it for a second and read that whole wall of text xDDD that was deliberate to move it for his anima. Also the fact that he did it twice.
@@spaghettiskateboard8275 Those ones aren't, though I guess you could argue that someone just wanted to to confirm a portion of the text (make sure you understand the outs and all that,) but yeah, 99% certain it was cheating
@@homerman76 You can confirm things and even read the effects quite quickly if you're used to the essays that are Yugioh card effects. This is very suspect though.
100% cheating. I dont care he did it once or twice. He had anima on his extra, he knew what he was doing. Just make him play without anima and see he does it.
Neuron takes a lot more time than just picking up the card and reading it when it's right in front of you. Using Neuron in that scenario would probably have been considered slow play.
warning once should be given a match loss 2nd time with an investigation into whether he was a habitual cheater throughout the tournament. really disgusting behavior
I’m a casual player and never went to tournaments but even I know how important zones are because of effects like Imperm or a monster that can special summon if there are two cards in same zone so he was definitely doing it on purpose specifically putting it in the same zone every time for anima
Well I can say for certain your build is better than the one I was brewing. I went for a Superior Mode build that used more of their cards in lower ratios.
As a magic player, clearly communicating your board state is a big pet peeve cuz it should be expected. Not doing that when you only have ~11 spaces to worry about is insane. Its one thing if I flash a vorinclex in and you forget certain lands are locked when the stack triggers down. I can call that an accident. Imperm has been in yugioh for idk how long, but I know it's a hand trap that cares about columns, yugioh players have no excuse for not keeping track of that shit
it does not care about zones when used as handtrap. yugioh players can't keep track of shit. I constantly have to remind my opponents of this fact when I'm the one using Imperm as the hand trap which keeping my mouth shut would actually help me.
The first time I could see being a mistake, maybe due to their nerves, I mean it is a YCS match, not like a little pickup game at your card shop. But the second time? That’s def😢cheating, especially since Anima was played immediately after hoping he could steal his opponent’s boss monster or remove a high threat monster from the board
Once can be a coincidence, twice or more is a pattern. Seeing as he played Anima right after and, you know, put it in his deck, it definitely was deliberate.
Oh yeah that was definitely deliberate. He put it right in the center of the zone. You can tell by how comfortable he was doing it that he had definitely done it before as well. What a scumbag
I play a vaylantz deck. Card placement is VERY important. I always make sure i explain everything i do, and always make sure to ask my opponent “are you summoning that monster to this space?” Or “are you setting that card there?” Because i need my opponent to also understand i’m not cheating and that everything my deck does revolves around cards moving spaces. This guy though? He was deff cheating. He knew exactly what he was doing and he did it twice. He probably been doing that all tournament.
That's why I don't like playing in irl sometimes because your opponent has to pick up the cards to read them and I forget fast, so if they placed it in the wrong spot on purpose there would be a chance I wouldn't realise.
As a judge I’ll take it as a mistake the first time around. I’ll give him a PE-Minor for not placing an established card back in its correct zone. Now the second time that’s when i have to call a Head Judge because now that’s a pattern plus the penalty needs to be upgraded.
When someone's mistakes continually end up in their favor, it is unlikely to be a series of mistakes. The way the cards are placed down are also very deliberate. There are only 12 zones to keep track of for most monsters, 6 of which do not sit in front of extra monster zones. They had 3 spots to choose from that wouldn't advantage them, and they chose one they knew would help.
I get that zones are important with YGO but I think this is comparable to Chalice checking in MTG where it’s up to the player in control of the “permanent” is responsible for managing or catching triggers on their side of the board.
I think this dude didnt want to do what he did on stream, but its already so engrained in his playstyle to do this slight of hand he kept doing it live lmao
Once I had a monster in monster zone 5 and I accidentally put it into the grave while checking my graveyard, I didn’t even realise until a bit after I do think that this isn’t like that, but absentmindedness can go a long way, at least it was caught
My thought is that it was deliberate both times. Decks that use Anima care quite a bit about enemy monster zones. He also read the first card quite quickly, which is odd as wording is everything and you want to be sure to understand it. Regardless, due to social stigma I would have let him get away with the first card”honest mistake” as it is possible but highly unlikely, but the second time? Nah.
Ive had relinquish players do this. Its annoying its done on purpose. Even had it done where I had imperm on spell zone 2 and my monster in monster zone 3 only for the guy to move it into zone 2 after reading. Since no other spells or traps were out.
Well there is "yugioh can't read" like that one instance where a Kuribros member send a Dragon with Diviner and pass turn. But this is definitely deliberate, especially when he had Anima in mind.
To do this not only once but twice while also having anima in your extra deck and attempting to use it afterwards, yea no that's definitely cheating and the player should get a punishment for this
Really great of the player to notice something rather small like that in a high stress recorded game like tnat Don’t think I would have noticed in that situation
I'm used to playing decks with column based effects and my main course of action is to hand the card directly back to the original player instead of placing it on their field
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Reminder to not start any witch-hunts please, just thought it would be a fun subject to debate. At the end of the day it's up to the judges to decide not us :)
So the judge decided it was a mistake?
I don't think the judge stated anything in that case.
Usually if you do that and it's noticed once (like it was in game 1) he just gets a warning, but the fact he does it once again in game 3 hasn't been noticed (it is not said in the video).
If the judge was called then the judge should sanction him, depending on how bad they think hos actions were (it can go from losing the duel, to being expelled from tournaments for a while)
Why shouldnt we witch hunt? How else will people learn to not do it. Its called a deterrent
No the judge can make a ruling but we all know the truth. Just how OJ was found not guilty yet we know he did it. To think just because a judge makes a ruling we all have to ignore reality is quite foolish or gullible to be honest.
Let the witch hunt begin!!! shoots first in the beginning of a week long war on YGO 😂
“Once is a mistake, twice is a pattern”. Wrong. He was playing Anima, he knew what he was doing.
No, it's once a mistake, twice a coincidence three times a pattern.
If he played anima, already been called out of the mistake then did it again, it's definitely intentional @@Grimjr7
Real
@@Grimjr7 Except 2 coincidence and you win the match
Guy clearly knew what he was doing putting it back in the same spot twice before playing Anima. Or he's just really bad at the game and has to read cards and not know to put them back in the same place but somehow made it into the finals/semi's of a YCS...
Who invited Weevil to the YCS
If that was really Weevil he would've robbed it or ripped it
@@HyperWhale286technically Anima would be robbing it, yeah?
@@arikita-red7752 ooh good catch lol
He beat Rex to win the Regional Championship
Absolutely hilarious 😂
Once is a mistake, Twice is more likely deliberate
Exactly what i thought
Thrice is a ban
or maybe that's just a habit
But the fact he used Anima right after is indeed really sus
Agree. I think in their first time, they do it accidentally since it looks like they check the card quickly and put it in the closest zone from their hand. But the second time it looks deliberate
I agree, especially coming from the same player
He's probably gotten away with this all day. Absolutely cheating
Thats 100% cheating caught on Camera
I feel bad for the other guy
I feel bad for the other guys who were facing this all day
Bandit Keith strikes again.
😂🤣
nah,bandit keith the goat got more style...
“IN AMERICA”
That's cheating as heck. On the second attempt he quickly tried going for extra deck after placing the card into the zone area.
He did it twice to the same card in the same match right before going to summon anima. dude's a cheating rat.
Hes just using his Duel Links skill
Lmaooo Monster Move 2
If I had a nickel for every time my opponent moved my monster to a different zone before summoning Relinquished Anima...
I'd have 2 nickles, but strange that it happened twice, right?
@@wafflehat7369 More like "It's sad that it's not even strange that it happened twice." in this case, sometimes the meme needs a bit of editing to fit the scenario
Naw that man was 100% cheating if he placed that monster in that zone while having Anima on extra
HE DID IT TWICE????? THAT MAN WAS 1000% TRYING TO CHEAT
You did it twice too. Maybe you're cheating.
So it seems to be deliberate. Multiple attempts at placing the card in the exact column for anima can’t be a coincidence. Especially when it’s a deck that plays anima being voiceless. And the other player was aware of this fact by not playing into them in the first place!
the second time it happens you can tell the other guy was watching the zone placement like a hawk
Once is a mistake, twice is a pattern
It almost makes me think that that particular player does that type of thing often enough they do it instinctively now
He was cheating both times. His hand gestures tell the entire story. I've known many players who try to cheese wins as much as possible, even though they looked innocent enough. Even went as far as getting arrested for stealing from friends.
This guy was eager to grab the cards and deliberate in his placement, not allowing his opponent to place the card themselves when they even reached out to take it back.
People stole from friends? Please tell story 🙏
Yeah, the placement was too perfect to not have been deliberate, dude was definitely trying to pull some slight of hand to win
If it’s once it could be an mistake, Twice you’re cheating. And cheating in a franchise where the cheaters always lose.
This is a Weevil strategy, Don’t be Weevil.
Yugi cheated constantly
@@Oridan1 When did Yugi break the rules of the (Anime) card game? The rules in the anime aren’t exactly the same as the real world.
@@Oridan1 Technically, he never did, the closest you could reasonably claim to be him cheating was him willing cards to the top of his deck in the final duel, but that's classified in show as more of a technique, regardless of what you might think. Also, if you're thinking of the first season, do remember that Duel Monsters was still a cross between a card game and DnD during duelist kingdom so things just did not behave the way they do in the real life game.
@@homerman76Giving Joey Time Wizard so he'd be able to use it against him later was pretty underhanded, but I'm not sure if it rises to the level of cheating.
His plan was to cheat in a way like that and hope the opponent either didn’t pay as much attention or was to shy/unsure to speak up.
Just saying the offical yugioh twitch channel perma banned me for saying the judges should of caught this there was also a moment where the judge didn't know what game it was and the PLAYER had to remind them it was game 3
The mods on the twitch channel have extremely fragile ego's. I've also been banned from the chat. Despite how chat will always catch these plays before a judge sitting right there.
It's not that their egos are fragile, it's actually that they want you to stay silent so you're not doing a better job than they are. Hence the bans from chat. @@SilverHyozanryu
@@SilverHyozanryugo look up irony in the dictionary kid
Should have*, not should of
*Should have
Dude if he really did not know the card and need to read it, aint no way he sees it for a second and read that whole wall of text xDDD that was deliberate to move it for his anima. Also the fact that he did it twice.
Most effects are simple enough to read that fast. But yea he was cheating.
@@spaghettiskateboard8275 Those ones aren't, though I guess you could argue that someone just wanted to to confirm a portion of the text (make sure you understand the outs and all that,) but yeah, 99% certain it was cheating
@@homerman76 Yes they are??? Are you slow mentally?
@@homerman76 You can confirm things and even read the effects quite quickly if you're used to the essays that are Yugioh card effects. This is very suspect though.
Oh, he is cheating for sure.
If he summons anima that quick means his been doing that before if he had that muscle memory reflex
100% cheating. I dont care he did it once or twice. He had anima on his extra, he knew what he was doing.
Just make him play without anima and see he does it.
He will play mekk then.
Considering I've had people do this at locals. Yeah, it's probably deliberate.
First time could have honestly been a mistake in a high pressure situation, but the fact that it happened a second time proves that it was deliberate.
If he wanted to read that card badly he would've used neuron
Neuron takes a lot more time than just picking up the card and reading it when it's right in front of you. Using Neuron in that scenario would probably have been considered slow play.
If it was only once, that's a mistake.
The second time removed all doubt.
Dude definitely cheated his way to YCS, probably does it a lot at his locals too
Doesn’t matter if it’s cheating, it’s a high stake that would affect the opposite side. Such mistake should result in disqualification
I think once is fine especially since they caught the mistake but twice should be a disqualification
warning once should be given a match loss 2nd time with an investigation into whether he was a habitual cheater throughout the tournament. really disgusting behavior
@@jgamez106 I think we need to be like the wild west where you hear the click of the hammer when you try to cheat
@@jakesmith8982 absolutely
You'd think he'd be more careful after that
I’m a casual player and never went to tournaments but even I know how important zones are because of effects like Imperm or a monster that can special summon if there are two cards in same zone so he was definitely doing it on purpose specifically putting it in the same zone every time for anima
As an Anima player, you are VERY aware of where monsters are in front of the extra zone at all times.
The second one clinched it for me.
I woulda called the judge for cheating after that second time
Seems pretty intentional when your strategy actively needs a monster in that zone.
He knew what he was doing, he’s playing anima, he’s definitely sneaking wins by “accidents”
Well I can say for certain your build is better than the one I was brewing. I went for a Superior Mode build that used more of their cards in lower ratios.
Gotta summon crusadia spatha to move the card buddy.
Deliberate cheating
That's why I never play IRL yugioh
Why not pay attention then you won't get cheated ?
@LyubovBoychuk this. Just pay attention and it's less likely to happen
Personally i dont cuz of the smell
I don't play irl yugioh because it involves playing yugioh lmao
I mean People can cheat in any game, so do you just not play any game in real life?
As a magic player, clearly communicating your board state is a big pet peeve cuz it should be expected. Not doing that when you only have ~11 spaces to worry about is insane. Its one thing if I flash a vorinclex in and you forget certain lands are locked when the stack triggers down. I can call that an accident. Imperm has been in yugioh for idk how long, but I know it's a hand trap that cares about columns, yugioh players have no excuse for not keeping track of that shit
it does not care about zones when used as handtrap. yugioh players can't keep track of shit. I constantly have to remind my opponents of this fact when I'm the one using Imperm as the hand trap which keeping my mouth shut would actually help me.
You don't make mistakes in YCS, now, that's straight cheating
He should have gone to the GULAG!
@@victoriaabrilvazquez9863 ☕️ 🗿
The first time I could see being a mistake, maybe due to their nerves, I mean it is a YCS match, not like a little pickup game at your card shop. But the second time? That’s def😢cheating, especially since Anima was played immediately after hoping he could steal his opponent’s boss monster or remove a high threat monster from the board
Once can be a coincidence, twice or more is a pattern.
Seeing as he played Anima right after and, you know, put it in his deck, it definitely was deliberate.
It was the millennium eye special ability. You get to move your opponent zone position once per duel. Duel links V2.0
As a wise clone commando once said, "One's an anomaly. Two is a trend, sir."
A certain phrase about being fooled once or twice comes to mind
Oh yeah that was definitely deliberate. He put it right in the center of the zone. You can tell by how comfortable he was doing it that he had definitely done it before as well. What a scumbag
I play a vaylantz deck. Card placement is VERY important. I always make sure i explain everything i do, and always make sure to ask my opponent “are you summoning that monster to this space?” Or “are you setting that card there?” Because i need my opponent to also understand i’m not cheating and that everything my deck does revolves around cards moving spaces.
This guy though? He was deff cheating. He knew exactly what he was doing and he did it twice. He probably been doing that all tournament.
That's why I always summon my powerful monsters in Zone 5 in Master Duel
That's why I don't like playing in irl sometimes because your opponent has to pick up the cards to read them and I forget fast, so if they placed it in the wrong spot on purpose there would be a chance I wouldn't realise.
As a judge I’ll take it as a mistake the first time around.
I’ll give him a PE-Minor for not placing an established card back in its correct zone.
Now the second time that’s when i have to call a Head Judge because now that’s a pattern plus the penalty needs to be upgraded.
This is why if i take an opponents card to read it, i hand it back to them so that they can put it back themselves
Once is a mistake. Twice is deliberate.
When I saw this on someone's video, my thoughts on it involves one taking an advantage over doing the thing and especially now doing it twice.
When someone's mistakes continually end up in their favor, it is unlikely to be a series of mistakes.
The way the cards are placed down are also very deliberate. There are only 12 zones to keep track of for most monsters, 6 of which do not sit in front of extra monster zones.
They had 3 spots to choose from that wouldn't advantage them, and they chose one they knew would help.
I play a mekk knight deck. This dude knew exactly what he was doing when he moved columns
I get that zones are important with YGO but I think this is comparable to Chalice checking in MTG where it’s up to the player in control of the “permanent” is responsible for managing or catching triggers on their side of the board.
That first one, I’m like “dude you’re teaching. Things happen”… but yea, the 2nd time is damning 💀
I would say that was pretty deliberate. Also an anima runner but i just wait to grab my kaiju or lava golem
Nah bro was trying to do a sleight of hand. Tried to do a quick swipe. lol
Anima is really specific I find it hard to believe that the second time was a mistake
Bro was tryna activate his special effect so bad lol
Had it been once, I’d say he was just giving back the card-letting his opponent put it back correctly
Yeah, once is a mistake, twice is deliberate
Mistakes can affect the game and even put you in a worse situation because of it. However, a mistake that clearly benefits you each time shows intent.
That was slick boy. He knew what he was doing😂😂😂
Once is an accident, twice is a trend.
That's why those playmats should have indicate the zones by name. Therefore it wouldn't happen
that looked like a very "i'm totally not cheating and i totally don't always play like this!" play
Yubel/Sacred Beasts decks, leeeeeeets go
Usually “mistakes” that only benefit the person making them are not a good sign of friendly gameplay.
I think this dude didnt want to do what he did on stream, but its already so engrained in his playstyle to do this slight of hand he kept doing it live lmao
" relinquished can take your monster!... In America..."
Once I had a monster in monster zone 5 and I accidentally put it into the grave while checking my graveyard, I didn’t even realise until a bit after
I do think that this isn’t like that, but absentmindedness can go a long way, at least it was caught
He definitely eats pumpkins...
He played Relinquish Anima, it was strategically. Especially since it was twice
My thought is that it was deliberate both times. Decks that use Anima care quite a bit about enemy monster zones. He also read the first card quite quickly, which is odd as wording is everything and you want to be sure to understand it.
Regardless, due to social stigma I would have let him get away with the first card”honest mistake” as it is possible but highly unlikely, but the second time? Nah.
He knew what he was doing. Packs were on the line.
He 100% knew what he was doing, should be banned for trying to do it twice.
I remember watching this duel and i read in the comments 2 individuals criticizing the yubel player for some reason.
Anima is the reason why i dont play my boss or negates in the extra monster zone column
You know what they say.. Once is a Is like coincidence, Twice is a pattern.
One time is a mistake but after that he clearly knew what he was doing
I would've been heated
Ive had relinquish players do this. Its annoying its done on purpose.
Even had it done where I had imperm on spell zone 2 and my monster in monster zone 3 only for the guy to move it into zone 2 after reading. Since no other spells or traps were out.
bruh I wish the "mistakes" I made day to day were this convenient lmfao
Well there is "yugioh can't read" like that one instance where a Kuribros member send a Dragon with Diviner and pass turn. But this is definitely deliberate, especially when he had Anima in mind.
if i was judge, one time is a warning, and two times is a penalty. They gotta learn
Once is a reasonable mistake, twice is deliberate
He tried it when the every game is under intense scrutiny of judges and cameras
Idk about twice, but it’s happened to me a couple times where I forget where it was(especially without a playmat), but I just ask where it was
Definitely not a mistake. Maybe once, Definitely not twice
If they have mekk-knights/geonator/animus/anything where columns/zone placement matters, it's 100% cheating 100% of the time
Cheating, once can be a mistake, twice is a habit
Crazy how this doesn’t get penalized. But saying “go damn” gets you a game loss….
To do this not only once but twice while also having anima in your extra deck and attempting to use it afterwards, yea no that's definitely cheating and the player should get a punishment for this
He knew exactly what he was doing
Really great of the player to notice something rather small like that in a high stress recorded game like tnat
Don’t think I would have noticed in that situation
I'm used to playing decks with column based effects and my main course of action is to hand the card directly back to the original player instead of placing it on their field
time for a witch hunt