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TH-cam just uses that as an excuse I mean they've demonetized so many content creators under the guise of it's not suitable for advertisers or whatever. what the reality is of the situation is they want people to create content for free and they make money off of it from advertisers, regardless of what they claim. And I don't get it I mean they're part of Google they have more money than God. I can't wait for the day when there's another platform for content creators to use that appreciates them. Seems like the only people they're not demonetizing are their ringers. And by ringers I mean like the OG TH-camrs that they still have some kind of contract with. but once you start seeing their contracted content creators get demonetized you know that they were either bought out of their contract or it ran up and then going forward they get screwed like everyone else does... ☹️😡🤬
My thoughts 💭 I have read about this case many times. 'An unusually manipulative child' is a child that has seen too much and been through too much at a young age.
Thank you from the bottom of my unable heart to support you on patron, just you wait. Thanks very interesting but sad. Just watched a video about her. Amazing woman!!! Thanks Oddie Mrs. Odette for sharing your time with us veiwers, best channel ever ❣️ Stay healthy and safe travels 🕊️
Thanks Oddie! This is my bedtime watch tonight! I have watched a documentary about Mary Bell and she was a strange one with her drawings. HNY to you and Mrs Oddie 😁😁
My thoughts on Mary Bell (in no particular order): She was sexually abused. The aforementioned mutilation of Brian was specifically that Mary cut off the child's privrates. She also tended to attack smaller children and outright admitted it was because she liked making victims of those smaller than she was. All of this indicates that she was horrifically abused. (I think when she said she lost her virginity, she was referring to having consensual sex. I don't think she counted her sexual abuse as sex and considered herself a virgin.) HOWEVER, while I agree with her sentencing and do not mind that she was granted anonymity or custody of her child, I do agree with the families of the victims that profiting off of her crimes in any way should not be allowed. It's a sad case where Mary herself is concerned, but that doesn't make the families of those boys any less victims of her crimes than any other victims of any other brutal murders, and she should have no right to profit off their suffering. This is one of the few cases where I feel genuinely sorry for everyone involved. (Except Mary's mother. That woman was a piece of shit.)
Yes, I agree and think any profits she makes telling her story should be donated to agencies that help abused children or studies them to better society.
Agreed... Her having custody of her daughter was risky but turned out ok..... But she feared for her life for a reason...she knew what she has done. Paying murderers for their crimes in cash is senseless to the fullest.
This woman is a year or less older than me. She can change her identity all she wants but she needs to get right with God before she dies and I feel for the families of the children she murdered.
A year on, I can see how it's weird to be getting a reply to your post but, your comment reads as one sentence, a comma is the difference between "families looking forward to hearing the next child after losing their own" and "You looking forward to listening to the next video, while your heart goes out to the families".....
Very creepy. I once attended a funeral for a 10 year old girl. Her 8 year old sister found a hand gun in her aunt's mobile home, shot and killed her. At the funeral home, the 8 year old was over-heard telling her 4 year old sister not to make her mad or she'd kill her too. I worked with the aunt at a retail store. I don't know what became of that family but I'll never forget how sad and creepy the whole thing was.
Yikes! -I'm not sure that child really understood what had happened. She was at the "age of understanding", but there is actually an 'age range' wherein complex or abstract concepts are first understood by a child. Until then, words like 'killed' and 'dead' are parroted, rather than carrying true weight of meaning (this includes phrasiolgy such as"__ __ __ or I'll kill you too"). I sincerely hope that they got her some help, because if a person decides that they are "bad" or "damned", in childhood, it can become imprinted and self-fulfilling; and it will be extremely difficult to recover from in adulthood. As a five year old child, I attended the funeral of a four-year-old boy who had drowned. (My mother had three of us under five, and the youngest was a 1 year old but she didn't want to over-burden the babysitter who took the younger two) I went with Mom to the funeral, while the older children went to school and the little ones were kept by a town- cousin. I don't remember too much. The casket was so small. Too small, closed, and white, rather than open and dark-colored as usual. I remember asking my mother if he (the dead child) could come out when the funeral was over, because it was such a small, crowded box. I didn't press further when she said, "No" even though I didn't understand. It was a beautiful service, I think. But so sad... I haven't thought of that for many years....
@@suet.r.4815It's important that children are not kept from reality, but there's a limit. I'm always astounded when people bring their children with flowers to a crime scene. They run a picture on the front page. It's a creepy photo op. I'm not talking about a family member. These are strangers, some who come from quite a distance. My brother lived near a well known site where an abducted child's body was found. People brought their own kids. Stood around. Retold the horrible story to their spooked little kids. When I see that photo (the children with flowers), I send a letter to the editor. I have almost ALWAYS heard a reply stating "Now that you mention it...."
I used to know a chap who lived in the same street as Mary. He was a few years younger but was at school the same time. Mary's mother would entertain her clients whilst Mary was in the house. Mary was made to service these men as well. Les said many children at the school were afraid of Mary. They knew from very early on to keep away from her. From what I remember there were similarly disturbed children at my school in the 1970's as well. One lad blasted a younger boy to death with a shotgun over a minor falling out. He dumped his body in a ditch in a field not far from our school. It was very sad as the lad's father was abusive and battered him and his mother regularly. Finally my cousin married a lad from a nearby village called Lynemouth. This lad's full cousin was Mary Bell. Her family had relatives up here. Small world.
My heart goes out to those who lost their children and siblings. Outrageous that she had more rights than the victims. It happens a lot in the States. No justice.
@@500midnightmary my father was a career federal law enforcement officer and said that many times. He said that you don't see justice in a courtroom, you see the practice of law-- lawyers maneuvering to get a verdict in their favor. By the time he retired, he was disgusted with our "legal system", especially with the judges and their often incomprehensible "decisions."
I don’t think one grows out of psychopathic tendencies. We don’t yet know what she’s done behind closed doors since her release. I expect her daughter has stories to tell.
I'm not a Christian and I certainly don't believe in the Bible or even a god for that matter. However, even as a heathen, godless atheist destined to burn in hell I have sympathy for the children murdered, their families, Mary and all children who are raised with zero love, abused sexually and physically and become broken before their teenage years.
Aint it like the government and judges to treat criminals better than the victims 😓. RIP to the two murdered boys and peace and comfort to the families 🤴🙏🕊️
Mary was born a couple months after me and had her child shortly before I had my first. Our stories are quite different. Many children in this world have not chance at a good life. So many things wrong in her story. Shocking, tragic, and sad
Just another example of the stupidity of our judicial system which gives more rights to criminals, Rather than the victims makes me sick to the stomach!!! Shame on the judges and law makers!!!
Had she had a different upbringing it could have been a whole different story. But she doesn't appear remorseful with her actions in adulthood. So that is why my sympathy is with the families 100%.
This story has made me feel so grateful to be born only a year after Mary to two loving parents. Would she have taken this path had her mother been different? Yes I think so.
How many times have you and I said.."Back when we were kids, we came home when the streetlights came on?" All this proves is the danger was there all this time. When I was about 12 or so, 2 little girls were abducted from our bus stop and murdered in Townsville, Queensland in Australia. So I guess this depravity has always been there after all. Just looking at footage of where they lived was enough to make me cringe. We were lucky I guess. Dad was military, we were not wealthy but we were safe and loved....and compared to these kids...very rich indeed.
Very sad story about the death of those bairns, I am a Geordie I was about 12 when we left Newcastle to live in Australia the old photos you had in this story are great,brought back memories,, great narrative also. She should not have been given anonymity, especially because she tried to profit from her crimes.
@@QueenofBluntTruth it is hard but her mom wasn't a mother her lack of love, cruelty and careless disregard for her is inexcusable. She allowed that child to live a life of horrors with no regard for her or the consiquences of her actions.
Miniver765, she was a child of 11 years old with no raising. I guess you entered the world knowing how to behave. I have no sympathy for the likes of your black heart.
@@blue_moon6490 Get over your drama queen self. She made her decisions. She killed two kids. Glad I don't understand your warped idea of logic. It's lazy, trifling, irresponsible people like you that create monsters like Mary Bell. You're defending someone that killed two nursery school age boys. Let that sink in.
Mary's mother has a lot to answer for here also. It sounds like tragic upbringing and I think that as no-one set boundaries for Mary she went on to kill again. If her mother was a bit more responsible for her child or even if she was monitored by social services then things could have been different. Instead, she behaved like a drama queen during the trial. The families of the victims showed great strength and dignity throughout all of this
“If her mother was a bit more responsible for her child“ Did you not hear the part where the mother forced her into prostitution? At the age of five? That woman deserves to be buried alive in a casket full of cockroaches.
Profits should go to help and study abused children to better society and humankind, if she chooses to tell her story, so maybe it never happens again. I wonder if she would choose not to talk about it, if that were the case? 🤔
@@ObsoleteOddity Given that you were at pains to report Mary Bell's claim that not only was she witness to a lot of the sexual abuse being inflicted nightly on her mother, but that she was also forced into child prostitution, at age 4, I wonder whether "Liz" has any fucking idea what she's just watched.
Wish we could go back in time and see how she would have turned out had she been given to family members way back when they offered to take her. Before the sexual and mental abuse and seeing things no child should be subjected to. Guess then we would know if it was just in her kill, or if she was made a killer. No matter the case, it's just so sad for all involved.
If she is so changed, they should have made her agree to a study that went on through her life so she would be contributing to possibly helping society for the better in the future on cases like this.
I’m sorry, but then what makes a person who has been abused do better than how they were treated? I know people who have had bad things done to them as a child who turned out better parents than their parents. Just makes you go hum-
@@catdooley4616 it really isnt statistically proven that abused kids grow up to be "the same or worse" . Its precisely this sort of victim shaming thats makes people it so hard from difficult backgrounds to recieve proper help living happier lives.
Such a sensitive approach to a terrible story. This really did bring the world's spotlight down on Scotswood. I remember the story well, as I grew up on Scotswood Road, not far from where Mary Bell lived. We used to play in the same park. What high rise flats did you live in, Oddie? Was it Cruddas Park? 🤔
my great grandmother lived in crudas park flats. I'm more than familiar with this case. I remember eaves dropping on a convo about it as a kid, and remember hearing that she was basically caught due to drawing pictures of the first boy and the tablets and stuff, and she wouldn't have known this stuff if she wasn't the killer. this is often missed out of documentaries on the subject, but it was well known in the area that this was the first real evidence they had against her, and this was before the 2nd boy. so they had evidence on her before the second murder even happened.
I was born in Newcastle in 1970 and we moved to Scotland in 1975 when I was just 5. But my parents always remembered the case of Mary bell. It horrified the whole area.
I'm not sure Mary became a decent well-balanced human being or a good mother. I remember reading some comments by someone who knew her and apparently Mary was still very manipuitive and enjoyed causing trouble for her neighbors.
i think that the public should have the right to know where a killer is after being released from prison. not fair to the victims family at all. Mary said she liked killing things who cannot defend themselves.I would still be scared she is capable of hurting someone.Thanks for the great video and the after story about you living close bye her stomping grounds.
@@tammy6610 this is true. While I suffer from depression and PTSD, I grew up with violence and abuse and I have most certainly have not taken a life, but you're right, her mother had a big hand in it.
Yes Oddie, I agree, it is a difficult one... She was a child herself with obvious traumas. I think with well treatment and care, a child could become a good adult. And for Mary it seemed to turn out that way. But for the parents of those sweet boys it must be indigestible. And honestly, I would be concerned for my children to live in her neighboorhood... In cases like this I think the parents (mary's mother) should be kept responsible too! And I appreciate that you share some personal stories , thank you💙
Thank you for the kind feedback and insights Sarah - very much appreciated. I tend to agree with you about Mary's parents, they are indirectly responsible for the lack of nurturing - but at the same time, many children have similar backgrounds and don't commit such crimes. It's really quite a sad case for all concerned.
For Mary to choke them is a quick rage to kill them but to go back & mutilate like she did, she was enjoying that & thats the sick part of her. I dont think that ever goes away from a person, & she probably just doesnt get caught doing mean & cruel things.
@@stephaniesturgeon5591 I agree with you. You can teach a tiger to jump through a hoop for entertainment but it's still a tiger with the tiger instincts. With the many name changes who knows what's she's done & gotten away with.
It honestly infuriates that this evil wee bastard actually got released and then was given new identities at the expense of the taxpayer!!! Those poor children she murdered and their families 😞😞 my heart goes out to them 💔
I have heard about Mary Bell many years ago and have seen a few videos about it, but yours was the most thorough by far. And when you made that picture of her blink and move it creeped me out! It's a shame her mother was so lousy, she was such a pretty child and could have done well for herself had she been raised by parents who loved and wanted her.
An excellent video, Oddie ! One of the best ever put out for an older case. Thanks also to Sarah for her research. I was familiar with Mary's case but this video provided more insight, especially with the images. Very very well done. I have a friend in that area, his family grew up there and now he has his own family. Perhaps you knew some of them as the age seems about right. Small world. Then again perhaps you didn't. I've lost touch over the years, sadly, as we all do when we look back. This video is so well done I'll probably watch it several times.
You could watch the documentary Child of rage on TH-cam, the little girl, 6 yo, was a real psychopath because of sexual trauma, and was fortunately noticed early and healed. Very moving doc. Little Mary didn't have this chance and caused a lot of traumas. I wonder if she followed a therapy. Thanks for your work!
As someone who worked with violent children in a mental health institution, I can't help but feel something for Mary in this situation, too. I've had kids go from saying or doing some pretty disturbing things to breaking down in tears and making it obvious that they are hurting so much. And I know that some children lose the ability to express that at all once their trauma reaches a threshold, resulting in this kind of "cold" behavior. I personally would be interested to know what kind of life she led and what kind of support system she had. But I also, obviously, feel for the victims' families and understand their anger and hurt, too. It's a terrible situation all around. 😢 So many conflicting feelings in cases like this.
I agree. If she has really changed she needs to tell her complete story so maybe it can be studied to help abused kids in the future. So if she did profit from it all monies should go for exactly that purpose, to better society.
@@karenmilligan5597 if anything, a full psychiatric evaluation and report would probably be more beneficial for research and could be published in scientific journals and medical textbooks where she wouldn't profit but could benefit society. I also think it'd be interesting to get things like brain MRIs to show underdeveloped areas and to show reactions to emotional stimuli. Then again it's a lot to ask her to spend hours being questioned about all of her trauma and her life since, and to be poked and prodded like a science experiment.
Thank You. I must point out that your efforts in making these episodes is deeply appreciated. I truly wish I could do the cash support. Even the pictures selected add to the story, stories well told. Once again, Thank You.
Your tone and music really set the mood for this. I’ve watched other people cover this sad case but you really brought something new to it. Thanks for covering this sad affair.
I love how you put the animation into your still photos. The one of Mary blinking startled me for a second. Such a terribly sad story. I agree with you on this one. Mary has paid her debt. But still tragic for all involved.
It's so instructive to know so much about Mary's upbringing and its apparent effect on her development, it makes me wish we knew about her mother's childhood, and her mother's abuser's childhood, and see how many generations back the cycle went and where and how it began.
Another fantastic video! I’ve seen many videos about Mary Bell but this was the best. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 This story shows the horrible effects of generations of abuse, poverty, and untreated mental illnesses and how that can spread throughout a community like poison. The absolute hatred and pain in the letter Mary and Norma left in the nursery is so shocking and disturbing.I can’t imagine how the mothers and fathers of those poor little children must have suffered and the fear those little ones felt. I pray that they were able to find peace and healing in some way. I agree that children can grow out of psycho pathic tendencies there’s this incredibly heartbreaking documentary about this little girl who was adopted and she was very cruel to her siblings and animals and her adoptive parents were struggling because they loved her but she was such a danger to the family. The little girl had been viciously abused starting basically from the time she was born. She did receive intense therapy and grow up to be a kind well-adjusted lady and she’s done a lot of work with advocating for abused children and children who suffer from mental illness. The Mary Bell case had to have been such a difficult case for the judge to make a decision being that Mary was so young but the victims were even younger and their deaths were so brutal. I think that the court didn’t have a choice but to give Mary a lifetime of anonymity for the sake of her daughter and grandchild. If they were able to find Mary it would be easy for them to find her daughter and grandchild even if their names have been changed. I think it was wrong for Mary to have profited a single penny from the death of those little boys and I think it was horrible for anyone to offer her money. I suppose it would be one thing if they asked her for an interview but told her they would not pay her but instead send the profits to the families of the victims or a charity as was suggested. Sorry for such a long comment.
I had not heard of this one. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Not sure I would have let her out of jail though. But apparently she has proven that she "outgrew" those tendencies. Thanks so much. Be safe and healthy. Both of you.
I love that you dont censor ur content!!.. Also, great storytelling, relaxing pace and i love the voices "I know.. i just wanted to see him in his coffin" hahaha so good, new favourite channel!!
Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊 I pay the price for not censoring by having my videos demonetised by YT - but I hate censorship.
It snowed a lot herein Colorado and being an old lady snowed in what better way to spend the day by watching your videos. Than you a billion times for sharing these stories with us. God Bless and take care of you in these troubling times❤️💕
You did an awesome job as always. I’ve heard of this one before. Terribly abusive childhood for Mary. Her crimes destroyed families yet she made money off them later. I can’t help but wonder what kind of mother was she to her daughter. One can only hope that she gave her daughter a better childhood than she herself had.
I remember hearing a video about the victims objecting to her making money on her history. If she was raised in insanity, that is what she knew. She was exposed and was introduced to a new life. Perhaps she did do some self examination. They did say she was intelligent. When we have been treated badly it is hard to forgive so we can move on with our own healing. It would be nice if all could heal from what happen. I do realize the hurt never goes away. Peace, Oddie, and thank you for making these awesome videos.
I’ve heard the stories about Mary Bell before but this was really comprehensive...and the follow up about her granted anonymity (that I hadn’t heard before) was very interesting. Your thoughts about growing out of psychopathic tendencies... 🤔 I would probably say no, but I really don’t know. In this case, perhaps her daughter was somehow the small, helpless thing that taught her empathy. That being said, I find it difficult to believe that anyone (even a child) who has psychopathic murderous tendencies, who gleefully acted on those fantasies, can then just...move on? Also, I suspect that her telling her story was both about the money and having an audience to retell these childhood fantasies to. Pretty screwed up all the way around.
Actually children can't get diagnosed with Anti-social Personality Disorder because they naturally have many "psychopathic" traits and could easily be diagnosed with it and grow out of it as their brain develops. Also having anti-social personality disorder doesn't automatically make you evil - that's a stigma that's extremely harmful to those with the disorder as their seen as murderers or evil due to something they can't help even if their great people who've never done a thing wrong and are constantly helping others. There's other disorders they don't officially diagnose children with until their older or adults because as their brain develops they often (or can) go away. I think schizophrenia is another one like this
@@ThanatosMist Hi, I've been looking for a study related to this for a while and I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction. Several years ago, I heard about a study that concluded children were functionally sociopathic between some certain ages (6-14 maybe?), and that they later grow out of it as their brains develop. I've been looking for this study for a while in vain. If you know the study I'm talking or can point me to something similar, please reply! Thank you!
@@Libbathegreat I found this article explaining it. I think it more has to do with how we've discovered morality develops in children which makes them seem to lack morals due to their brain/mind not having developed the capacity yet (it may be tied to abstract thought). So basically it has to do several theories within developmental psychology www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/stop-the-cycle/201206/can-child-be-psychopath%3famp
Yeeeeesssy! Oddie I am Scottish and that is a Geordie accent 😁 but well done, the Scots accent is not the easiest to imitate. Great polished and interesting content as always 🏴
Great job on this presentation Oddie!! I've been wanting you to cover this case for a while now. I have mixed feelings about this one. While I do agree that the information of Mary's family be private (for life), I'm not sure how I feel about Mary's information being private, especially since she decided to make money off her crimes. If I were the judge, I would've looked at that, and thrown her out of court. I do agree with the victim's family, that her rights seem to be more important than their rights. Just another really sad case...Anyway, thank you for yet another awesome video!
Her eyes are both beautiful and scary at the same time ., I thought the old west Texas gunman John Wesley Hardin had some hard eyes but I think Mary has him beat . This is the best coverage of her story I've ever seen and the old photos really add to it . You've outdone yourself as usual Oddy . Keep up the great work and stay safe .
It's pretty sick if you think about it. She gets to get Mother's Day cards and perfectly innocent mothers don't. It reminds me of those two kids who kidnapped a boy from a mall and killed him on the railroad tracks. They didn't have any sympathy for him. Why should there be any sympathy for them?
Mary has been out for years. Has her own daughter, who’s grown up now. When Mary was locked up, she was given a pet budgie when she was a teenager. She killed it, of course..
@@KinEllKokabel oh My God!!!! Isn't that one of the first signs of a person becoming a serial killer? Everyone says it she got herself together and is productive member of society but I'm more inclined to agree with some of the others that she's just hiding her crimes better. I know over here the FBI is real big on animal torture and murder. it's like their "here's your sign" moment that they realize a child is about to morph into some kind of sereal killer once they hit adulthood
I, personally, love your musings and ramblings that you call "blah, blah". Makes it seem like we're really talking with you somehow, rather than just listing.
So a sociopathic child,murders 2 children, eventually gets out of prison,gets to have her own child,and is now a grandmother! What is wrong with this picture!? You don't get over,or grow out of being a murdering phyco! If one of those children were mine? Mary would of never made it to prison!!!
With someone like Jon Venables (one of Jamie Bulger's killers) is easy to decide as he's ...well, he's not killed any more, but he has reoffended and is definitely not reformed. Mary Bell and Robbie Thompson seem to have kept their heads down and I personally believe that once someone has served their sentence and been released, they should get another chance at life. As for whether any of those three should have ever been let out... I'm not sure, they took a risk with all three and it seems to have paid off two out of three times, but I do know this. Mary's children and grandchildren shouldn't suffer for what Mary has done, it's just passing down intergenerational heartbreak that Mary inherited from her mother.
I just watched your video! Oh man...I believe she had a bad upbringing and her mother may have taken her frustrations out on Mary, which lead to Mary acting out her anger on others smaller than her. As she got older and was in the care of others, jail or hospitals or juvenile centers, she grew up and saw what she did was wrong. I don’t condone what she did, my heart goes out to the families and boys, but I do feel her problems stemmed from being treated poorly and maybe seeing stuff she shouldn’t as a child and learned from her mothers bad actions. We all have choices and there is right and wrong. Thank you for sharing your upbringing! I can’t believe you live and played where she grew up! Amazing! Thank you for your informative but highly entertaining uploads! ❤️
I already knew this case but I like your narrations too much to not listen. So calming distinct and...special. Almost like from another time period. Thanks Oddy ! (If i might call you so jokingly in a friendly way, just ometimes)
Oh you know the Area? Well I'm in Country Durham so quite close to Newcastle. You are spot on about the people, once they get to know you they will adopt you. I was born in Yorkshire myself. I agree with your analysis of Mary. I can't recall if you have coved the case of Marry Ann Cotton? She's another Northeast killer, a black widow. She's often said to be Britain's first female serial killer. That Mary lived very close to were I live now. Great video as always.
The story was extraordinary wonderful as because of the mystery and the photographs and what was to come of her. I get mesmerized when I hear your voice telling the story of different people in the past thank you
Wow what a story! My heart goes out to the families. Your life is never the same after losing a child to tragically . I know that only too well. Where is justice ! But I do feel compassion for the terrible childhood she had. So many victims in this sad story.. great video !!!
Hi Oddie! I hope you have been well. Thank you for your creative approach to the telling of this terribly sad event. Thank you for sharing your personal life at the end of this story.
Thank you so much for addressing this case. My heart hurts for the victims and their families incredibly, but also for neglected and abused children who grow up being taught that they are unwanted....and unfortunately that can lead some to bury any empathy they may have due to the pain of not receiving it from the ones who should have given it to them in their formative years.
Mary Bell should have been committed to an institution under good medical care to try and help her. A 10 year old that was so damaged is horrifying, she didn’t stand a chance. But on the other hand I love your Scotswood story.
I don't think she should be able to profit from book sales that is kind of vile to me. I'm glad her family got anonymity not fair to punish her family for what she did. I really don't know if someone gets over being psychopathic, it's a hard question. Great video as always thanks Oddie and Sarah and the patrons!
This was fascinating! I vaguely recall the case as I am a criminology buff. You did a great job and I loved you adding the personal "attachment" at the end. Have a great week you and Oddette and yes lovely work Sarah on the research! Stay safe and God bless.
That's a fascinating case! I've never heard of this before, probably because I was bombarded with mostly american crime cases growing up. I have to say that based on everything you shared, I think it's good that she's free, allowed to be a mom and grandma. People can change if they want to and clearly she has grown up, matured, and chosen to do right. The fact that she was only 11 years old at the time of the murders is mind blowing to me. That's so young! I've personally known people who are reformed after a life of crime so I know it's possible and does occur. That being said, as always, I love your storytelling so much! You included a lot of pics and videos from the time, showing the actual people involved. And you just have this voice that could make the most boring story interesting and pleasant to listen to! Thank you for sharing this unusual story! A young girl abused and perhaps tortured, whether physically, mentally, or both, kills two even younger kids, does a bit of time but once released decides to live right and legally. I love it! It's a sad story with an encouraging ending.... 🤗🤗🤗
The acoustic guitar definitely added the ambiance, you always know how to keep me hooked, cheers to another awesome narrative, you have found yet another way to immerse me into the story and make me see it through the eyes of the people who were there, much love to you and yours ❤️
The more I listen the more I feel for the parents who lost their children to these monster’s fancy, what twisted demon possessed them? Or was it just evil obsession
I have to say that any time there's a case of a child murderer it bothers me a lot. We often view such things by our own yardstick, and our own memories of being that age. Personally, trying to seriously hurt or kill someone would never have crossed my mind as a child, and I had a fairly traumatic childhood in school. I was beaten and bullied almost daily for four years of public school, and for the most part nothing was done about it. There was a zero tolerance policy in place, but it applied to defending yourself as well, and if a victim did defend themselves, more than likely they would be the ones facing a punishment, not the bullies. I was many times accused of "instigating", basically bringing about getting beaten up, and this only happened when I defended myself. My own school principal flat out told me once that I was asking for it because I was "different", and that if I stopped being "different", acted like a boy should act (whatever that means), instead of being sensitive and reading all the time, I wouldn't be being hurt. Anyway, I didn't mean to get on a tangent. My point in that was to say that even those of us who've had traumas in our past don't always turn out to be murderers. I certainly didn't, and I can't imagine how someone could. If you've experienced it yourself, you'd have to be a very callous and unfeeling person to want to bring such things (or worse) on other people. There may be some mitigating factors for why she did what she did, but still, it was a choice. She could have simply done to other children what had been done to her, but she chose to go far beyond anything that may have been done to her, and kill. Those are my thoughts on it, anyway. Another masterpiece from you, Oddie. :) Very intriguing, and an interesting concept, how much priority the rights of convicted killers have as opposed to the victims and their families. How far is too far? Anonymity for her until she was an adult is one thing, as is the same for her daughter and granddaughter, because they bear no responsibility for what she did, but at what point should the legal system have said "Enough's enough!" in regards to her behaviour in selling her story? What ever happened with that part? Did the families win and did that money have to be turned over to a charity? I am curious about that, because I do believe there are laws in Britain about profiting from the commission of a felony.
Tend to think , as I get older, that we don't have much of a choice in what personality type we born with . I recall meeting children in my childhood who had violent tendencies , were prone to lie and manipulate others just for the joy of it whereas others - my self too - were bullied or called 'weird' by the so called 'normal' children. As I recall, the bullies came from all sorts of background, if their parents were well off, then people thought the nasty offspring was simply spoiled rotten and if the bully came from 'lower social economic background' people thought it was the circumstances that made the child aggressive. Also, I have known children coming from abject poverty and a violent (drunken father) upbringing who turned out perfectly nice adults and I have met some people with psychotic tendencies who came from happy and nurturing family homes. Some aggressive, manipulative people have very nice siblings who, although coming from the very same environment never the less feel no need to exploit others or cause emotional or physical pain. I tend to think that environmental influence on the developing child is an overrated idea when we try to explain this anomaly of some children being violent. To be more precise, I think the environment has a role in the development of the child in the sense that since we all born with a particular disposition - mild , artistic, aggressive, etc. - we need to learn in life how to use our disposition for the best in our own circumstances in our own environment. If it is true that Mary Bell could renounce her tendencies and become like the rest of society a contributing member then she had learned the lesson this life gave her. If we, the bullied ones can learn to set our boundaries and become like the rest of society , then we have learned the lesson this life have given to us.
I'm not only outraged you were treated like this (I was too) but that a fucking adult whose JOB was to NURTURE AND PROTECT you blamed you and told you to change. 😡😡😡😡
@@ametrineambrosia4929 yeah, it was a rather unfriendly place, that school, and my principal was more concerned with conformity than with what was just. The core of her zero tolerance policy was that if all students conformed to being "normal", then bullying simply wouldn't happen. Another of her solutions to bullying was to make the victims be "best friends" with the bully who had beaten them up, and walk to and from school with them, because she believed that would put a stop to it.
@@ametrineambrosia4929 Ironically, that's exactly the argument my mother used. She actually asked the principal if she thought that if she'd been raped that she should be made to be "best friends" with her rapist and walk to and from work with her abuser every day. The principal just didn't get it. She said that rape was completely different from bullying, and didn't get why my mother used that particular analogy.
I grew up in the industrial north of england just a couple of years on from these events and some of those pictures bring back memories of my childhood. Derelict streets awaiting demolition were our adventure playgrounds. Happy days.
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TH-cam just uses that as an excuse I mean they've demonetized so many content creators under the guise of it's not suitable for advertisers or whatever. what the reality is of the situation is they want people to create content for free and they make money off of it from advertisers, regardless of what they claim. And I don't get it I mean they're part of Google they have more money than God. I can't wait for the day when there's another platform for content creators to use that appreciates them.
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Spot on, I enjoy your videos so much.
My thoughts 💭 I have read about this case many times. 'An unusually manipulative child' is a child that has seen too much and been through too much at a young age.
Thank you from the bottom of my unable heart to support you on patron, just you wait. Thanks very interesting but sad. Just watched a video about her. Amazing woman!!!
Thanks Oddie Mrs. Odette for sharing your time with us veiwers, best channel ever ❣️ Stay healthy and safe travels 🕊️
Thanks Oddie! This is my bedtime watch tonight! I have watched a documentary about Mary Bell and she was a strange one with her drawings. HNY to you and Mrs Oddie 😁😁
My thoughts on Mary Bell (in no particular order):
She was sexually abused. The aforementioned mutilation of Brian was specifically that Mary cut off the child's privrates. She also tended to attack smaller children and outright admitted it was because she liked making victims of those smaller than she was. All of this indicates that she was horrifically abused. (I think when she said she lost her virginity, she was referring to having consensual sex. I don't think she counted her sexual abuse as sex and considered herself a virgin.)
HOWEVER, while I agree with her sentencing and do not mind that she was granted anonymity or custody of her child, I do agree with the families of the victims that profiting off of her crimes in any way should not be allowed.
It's a sad case where Mary herself is concerned, but that doesn't make the families of those boys any less victims of her crimes than any other victims of any other brutal murders, and she should have no right to profit off their suffering.
This is one of the few cases where I feel genuinely sorry for everyone involved. (Except Mary's mother. That woman was a piece of shit.)
Very well said and I agree 100%.
I don't think any criminal should profit from their crimes, no matter the country.
Thank you.
Your last sentence says it all. Some people should not have kids and her "mother" is one of them.
Yes, I agree and think any profits she makes telling her story should be donated to agencies that help abused children or studies them to better society.
Agreed... Her having custody of her daughter was risky but turned out ok..... But she feared for her life for a reason...she knew what she has done.
Paying murderers for their crimes in cash is senseless to the fullest.
This woman is a year or less older than me. She can change her identity all she wants but she needs to get right with God before she dies and I feel for the families of the children she murdered.
my heart goes out to the families that lost their children looking forward to hearing the next one
amen
A year on, I can see how it's weird to be getting a reply to your post but, your comment reads as one sentence, a comma is the difference between "families looking forward to hearing the next child after losing their own" and
"You looking forward to listening to the next video, while your heart goes out to the families".....
Very creepy. I once attended a funeral for a 10 year old girl. Her 8 year old sister found a hand gun in her aunt's mobile home, shot and killed her. At the funeral home, the 8 year old was over-heard telling her 4 year old sister not to make her mad or she'd kill her too. I worked with the aunt at a retail store. I don't know what became of that family but I'll never forget how sad and creepy the whole thing was.
Wow! That is very creepy indeed! That child was dangerous. It makes one wonder if any other incidents occurred after you lost contact with them.
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Did child protective services ever get involved? I mean I'm assuming after the death they got involved but did they ever stay involved?
Yikes! -I'm not sure that child really understood what had happened. She was at the "age of understanding", but there is actually an 'age range' wherein complex or abstract concepts are first understood by a child. Until then, words like 'killed' and 'dead' are parroted, rather than carrying true weight of meaning (this includes phrasiolgy such as"__ __ __ or I'll kill you too"). I sincerely hope that they got her some help, because if a person decides that they are "bad" or "damned", in childhood, it can become imprinted and self-fulfilling; and it will be extremely difficult to recover from in adulthood.
As a five year old child, I attended the funeral of a four-year-old boy who had drowned. (My mother had three of us under five, and the youngest was a 1 year old but she didn't want to over-burden the babysitter who took the younger two) I went with Mom to the funeral, while the older children went to school and the little ones were kept by a town- cousin.
I don't remember too much. The casket was so small. Too small, closed, and white, rather than open and dark-colored as usual.
I remember asking my mother if he (the dead child) could come out when the funeral was over, because it was such a small, crowded box. I didn't press further when she said, "No" even though I didn't understand.
It was a beautiful service, I think. But so sad... I haven't thought of that for many years....
@@suet.r.4815It's important that children are not kept from reality, but there's a limit. I'm always astounded when people bring their children with flowers to a crime scene. They run a picture on the front page. It's a creepy photo op. I'm not talking about a family member. These are strangers, some who come from quite a distance. My brother lived near a well known site where an abducted child's body was found. People brought their own kids. Stood around. Retold the horrible story to their spooked little kids. When I see that photo (the children with flowers), I send a letter to the editor. I have almost ALWAYS heard a reply stating "Now that you mention it...."
I used to know a chap who lived in the same street as Mary. He was a few years younger but was at school the same time. Mary's mother would entertain her clients whilst Mary was in the house. Mary was made to service these men as well. Les said many children at the school were afraid of Mary. They knew from very early on to keep away from her. From what I remember there were similarly disturbed children at my school in the 1970's as well. One lad blasted a younger boy to death with a shotgun over a minor falling out. He dumped his body in a ditch in a field not far from our school. It was very sad as the lad's father was abusive and battered him and his mother regularly. Finally my cousin married a lad from a nearby village called Lynemouth. This lad's full cousin was Mary Bell. Her family had relatives up here. Small world.
My heart goes out to those who lost their children and siblings. Outrageous that she had more rights than the victims. It happens a lot in the States. No justice.
Criminal Justice System...(Justice for Criminals System).
Reese Daniel: We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system. There is no justice involved.
Yes and it happens in Canada often.
I can't help but feel that it was her mother's fault, as much as Mary's.
@@500midnightmary my father was a career federal law enforcement officer and said that many times. He said that you don't see justice in a courtroom, you see the practice of law-- lawyers maneuvering to get a verdict in their favor. By the time he retired, he was disgusted with our "legal system", especially with the judges and their often incomprehensible "decisions."
Sad for her victims, made me sick to my stomach.
I don’t think one grows out of psychopathic tendencies. We don’t yet know what she’s done behind closed doors since her release. I expect her daughter has stories to tell.
Am I the only one who loves the bit after the episode when oddity just talks
Many thanks :)
oh no i luv his intriguing thoughts 😊
Nope...I always wait for the 'after party' animated bits and dialog!
I could listen to him all day...
@@kenkloiber2989 Same here .
I feel for the families that lost their children. Mary got away with murder.
I'm not a Christian and I certainly don't believe in the Bible or even a god for that matter. However, even as a heathen, godless atheist destined to burn in hell I have sympathy for the children murdered, their families, Mary and all children who are raised with zero love, abused sexually and physically and become broken before their teenage years.
@@buckrogers6378 Mary is making a profit of their deaths. She’s an A hole
@@donttalktomeyoureannoying8736 she's got the certificate to prove she's a psychopath.
@@buckrogers6378 The description of yourself was confusing. You're an atheist but you believe in heaven and hell?
I feel that the lousy no good for nothin' Mom should've been charged! She "turned Mary into what she was." :(
Aint it like the government and judges to treat criminals better than the victims 😓. RIP to the two murdered boys and peace and comfort to the families 🤴🙏🕊️
Mary was born a couple months after me and had her child shortly before I had my first. Our stories are quite different. Many children in this world have not chance at a good life. So many things wrong in her story. Shocking, tragic, and sad
I wonder what makes very young children kill at such an early age.
@@gailhandschuh1138 they are born evil.
@Coon Dog that makes no difference.
Just another example of the stupidity of our judicial system which gives more rights to criminals, Rather than the victims makes me sick to the stomach!!! Shame on the judges and law makers!!!
Had she had a different upbringing it could have been a whole different story.
But she doesn't appear remorseful with her actions in adulthood. So that is why my sympathy is with the families 100%.
Her genetics and environment produced the inevitable outcome . Unfortunately , there are many "Mary Bells" out there . ATB to you Lottie .
It's tragic for those two babies she murdered & their families heartache & pain...what they still go threw today. RIP baby boys.🙏🕊🙏🕊
This story has made me feel so grateful to be born only a year after Mary to two loving parents. Would she have taken this path had her mother been different? Yes I think so.
How many times have you and I said.."Back when we were kids, we came home when the streetlights came on?" All this proves is the danger was there all this time. When I was about 12 or so, 2 little girls were abducted from our bus stop and murdered in Townsville, Queensland in Australia. So I guess this depravity has always been there after all. Just looking at footage of where they lived was enough to make me cringe. We were lucky I guess. Dad was military, we were not wealthy but we were safe and loved....and compared to these kids...very rich indeed.
Very sad story about the death of those bairns, I am a Geordie I was about 12 when we left Newcastle to live in Australia the old photos you had in this story are great,brought back memories,, great narrative also. She should not have been given anonymity, especially because she tried to profit from her crimes.
Mary's mother should actually have been held accountable too. Mary was a victim too. Children imitate what they see and hear. 😕❤️
It's hard being a single mother and poor
@@QueenofBluntTruth That's no excuse whatsoever for abuse of ANY kind.
Being abused doesn't excuse murder.
@@QueenofBluntTruth it is hard but her mom wasn't a mother her lack of love, cruelty and careless disregard for her is inexcusable. She allowed that child to live a life of horrors with no regard for her or the consiquences of her actions.
@@JamiJR True, but everyone deserves a chance to do better. Her mother failed completely.
What a sad story. It's scary to think a child was capable of cold blooded killing. I blame mom for that. Thanks for sharing this interesting story.
Both parents, the family, the village.
Exactly, her MOTHER should've went to prison for the rest of HER life.
@@Mdmsaturnia In case you weren't listening, the rest of her mom's family often offered to take her in, knowing her mother was no good.
WOW ‼️ THIS is still happening today. The perpetrator gets more Rights then The actual victims. Nothing has changed.wow go figure.🤷🏿♀️🤔🧐🙄.
Carole Roseburgh, she was a victim too. She was a child.
*than
@@blue_moon6490 She's the victim of a reprobate mother, but that's all. She got to live and go on with her life. I have no sympathy for her.
Miniver765, she was a child of 11 years old with no raising. I guess you entered the world knowing how to behave. I have no sympathy for the likes of your black heart.
@@blue_moon6490 Get over your drama queen self. She made her decisions. She killed two kids. Glad I don't understand your warped idea of logic. It's lazy, trifling, irresponsible people like you that create monsters like Mary Bell.
You're defending someone that killed two nursery school age boys. Let that sink in.
Mary's mother has a lot to answer for here also. It sounds like tragic upbringing and I think that as no-one set boundaries for Mary she went on to kill again. If her mother was a bit more responsible for her child or even if she was monitored by social services then things could have been different. Instead, she behaved like a drama queen during the trial.
The families of the victims showed great strength and dignity throughout all of this
“If her mother was a bit more responsible for her child“
Did you not hear the part where the mother forced her into prostitution? At the age of five?
That woman deserves to be buried alive in a casket full of cockroaches.
I don't excuse Mary's actions at all, but she had a horrid example set for her by a wretched, disgusting mother.
UH, HER MOTHER iS ALL THE WAY TO BLAME.
I agree with all the replies - so why was the 'mother' not held to account for HER actions?
Well done! How sad for any child to be treated like that. But it's not right she was profiting off the kids she murdered.
Thank you for the kind feedback Liz - very much appreciated.
Profits should go to help and study abused children to better society and humankind, if she chooses to tell her story, so maybe it never happens again. I wonder if she would choose not to talk about it, if that were the case? 🤔
@@karenmilligan5597 the profits should go to the family she hurt
@@ObsoleteOddity Given that you were at pains to report Mary Bell's claim that not only was she witness to a lot of the sexual abuse being inflicted nightly on her mother, but that she was also forced into child prostitution, at age 4, I wonder whether "Liz" has any fucking idea what she's just watched.
Wish we could go back in time and see how she would have turned out had she been given to family members way back when they offered to take her. Before the sexual and mental abuse and seeing things no child should be subjected to. Guess then we would know if it was just in her kill, or if she was made a killer. No matter the case, it's just so sad for all involved.
If she is so changed, they should have made her agree to a study that went on through her life so she would be contributing to possibly helping society for the better in the future on cases like this.
I’m sorry, but then what makes a person who has been abused do better than how they were treated? I know people who have had bad things done to them as a child who turned out better parents than their parents. Just makes you go hum-
@@marciedavis7842 this does happen, but statically speaking abused children turn out the same or worse and continue the cycle.
@@catdooley4616 and environment
@@catdooley4616 it really isnt statistically proven that abused kids grow up to be "the same or worse" . Its precisely this sort of victim shaming thats makes people it so hard from difficult backgrounds to recieve proper help living happier lives.
Such a sensitive approach to a terrible story. This really did bring the world's spotlight down on Scotswood. I remember the story well, as I grew up on Scotswood Road, not far from where Mary Bell lived. We used to play in the same park. What high rise flats did you live in, Oddie? Was it Cruddas Park? 🤔
Opposite direction :)
my great grandmother lived in crudas park flats. I'm more than familiar with this case. I remember eaves dropping on a convo about it as a kid, and remember hearing that she was basically caught due to drawing pictures of the first boy and the tablets and stuff, and she wouldn't have known this stuff if she wasn't the killer.
this is often missed out of documentaries on the subject, but it was well known in the area that this was the first real evidence they had against her, and this was before the 2nd boy. so they had evidence on her before the second murder even happened.
Oh! How I've missed these chilling stories from you, Oddie. I'm so thrilled to hear your storytelling. 👍🏽❤
Hope you enjoyed it!
I was born in Newcastle in 1970 and we moved to Scotland in 1975 when I was just 5. But my parents always remembered the case of Mary bell. It horrified the whole area.
I'm not sure Mary became a decent well-balanced human being or a good mother. I remember reading some comments by someone who knew her and apparently Mary was still very manipuitive and enjoyed causing trouble for her neighbors.
i think that the public should have the right to know where a killer is after being released from prison. not fair to the victims family at all. Mary said she liked killing things who cannot defend themselves.I would still be scared she is capable of hurting someone.Thanks for the great video and the after story about you living close bye her stomping grounds.
So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊
Mary would have had a better life and never killed if her mom did the right thing an gave her up
yes for sure
Psychopaths are born not made and this kid checks all the boxes.
You don't know that, it could be the cause of a mental illness.
@@happyfacefries problem is we will never known what really made her insane. Might be combination of mental illness and abuse at her mom's hands.
@@tammy6610 this is true. While I suffer from depression and PTSD, I grew up with violence and abuse and I have most certainly have not taken a life, but you're right, her mother had a big hand in it.
The cinematography in this one is so well done! Fascinating story. There is no hell hot enough for anyone who abuses a child.
Yes Oddie, I agree, it is a difficult one... She was a child herself with obvious traumas. I think with well treatment and care, a child could become a good adult. And for Mary it seemed to turn out that way. But for the parents of those sweet boys it must be indigestible. And honestly, I would be concerned for my children to live in her neighboorhood...
In cases like this I think the parents (mary's mother) should be kept responsible too!
And I appreciate that you share some personal stories , thank you💙
Thank you for the kind feedback and insights Sarah - very much appreciated.
I tend to agree with you about Mary's parents, they are indirectly responsible for the lack of nurturing - but at the same time, many children have similar backgrounds and don't commit such crimes. It's really quite a sad case for all concerned.
For Mary to choke them is a quick rage to kill them but to go back & mutilate like she did, she was enjoying that & thats the sick part of her. I dont think that ever goes away from a person, & she probably just doesnt get caught doing mean & cruel things.
@@stephaniesturgeon5591 I agree with you. You can teach a tiger to jump through a hoop for entertainment but it's still a tiger with the tiger instincts. With the many name changes who knows what's she's done & gotten away with.
@@beejer03 my thoughts exactly. She could have became smarter about it with age, so she knows not to harm her child or grandchild.
I feel for the mom and her child. No telling the tragedies they both went through.
It honestly infuriates that this evil wee bastard actually got released and then was given new identities at the expense of the taxpayer!!! Those poor children she murdered and their families 😞😞 my heart goes out to them 💔
My criteria for when people can be released from prison is when their victims are alive again, then the murderer is free to go.
Truly awful, but the phrase "this evil wee bastard" made me lol.
@@localgirl33 thanks lol! I'm Scottish and that's a Scottish phrase I suppose lol 🏴
I have heard about Mary Bell many years ago and have seen a few videos about it, but yours was the most thorough by far. And when you made that picture of her blink and move it creeped me out!
It's a shame her mother was so lousy, she was such a pretty child and could have done well for herself had she been raised by parents who loved and wanted her.
I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
An excellent video, Oddie ! One of the best ever put out for an older case. Thanks also to Sarah for her research. I was familiar with Mary's case but this video provided more insight, especially with the images. Very very well done. I have a friend in that area, his family grew up there and now he has his own family. Perhaps you knew some of them as the age seems about right. Small world. Then again perhaps you didn't. I've lost touch over the years, sadly, as we all do when we look back. This video is so well done I'll probably watch it several times.
I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)
You could watch the documentary Child of rage on TH-cam, the little girl, 6 yo, was a real psychopath because of sexual trauma, and was fortunately noticed early and healed. Very moving doc. Little Mary didn't have this chance and caused a lot of traumas. I wonder if she followed a therapy. Thanks for your work!
As someone who worked with violent children in a mental health institution, I can't help but feel something for Mary in this situation, too. I've had kids go from saying or doing some pretty disturbing things to breaking down in tears and making it obvious that they are hurting so much. And I know that some children lose the ability to express that at all once their trauma reaches a threshold, resulting in this kind of "cold" behavior. I personally would be interested to know what kind of life she led and what kind of support system she had. But I also, obviously, feel for the victims' families and understand their anger and hurt, too. It's a terrible situation all around. 😢 So many conflicting feelings in cases like this.
I agree. If she has really changed she needs to tell her complete story so maybe it can be studied to help abused kids in the future. So if she did profit from it all monies should go for exactly that purpose, to better society.
@@karenmilligan5597 if anything, a full psychiatric evaluation and report would probably be more beneficial for research and could be published in scientific journals and medical textbooks where she wouldn't profit but could benefit society. I also think it'd be interesting to get things like brain MRIs to show underdeveloped areas and to show reactions to emotional stimuli. Then again it's a lot to ask her to spend hours being questioned about all of her trauma and her life since, and to be poked and prodded like a science experiment.
That kid was a piece of work. I remember reading the book about her.
Thank You. I must point out that your efforts in making these episodes is deeply appreciated. I truly wish I could do the cash support. Even the pictures selected add to the story, stories well told. Once again, Thank You.
Much appreciated!
Thank you Once again Oddie for these true to life story. So sad for the young boys and their families that they have to suffered because of these.
Omg you mean to tell me that a murderer has more rights than the victims unreal. Bravo ODDity well told story
As always a pleasure Oddie, thank you! A Happy New Year to You &Yours!!
Same to you!
Your tone and music really set the mood for this. I’ve watched other people cover this sad case but you really brought something new to it. Thanks for covering this sad affair.
I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
I love how you put the animation into your still photos. The one of Mary blinking startled me for a second. Such a terribly sad story. I agree with you on this one. Mary has paid her debt. But still tragic for all involved.
I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
It's so instructive to know so much about Mary's upbringing and its apparent effect on her development, it makes me wish we knew about her mother's childhood, and her mother's abuser's childhood, and see how many generations back the cycle went and where and how it began.
This was a fascinating story! I always love the film footage, actual images and newspaper articles. You never disappoint Oddie!
Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!
My late nan who worked as a prison officer for fourteen years, met Mary when she was in custody. She said she was a very disturbed little girl.
Another fantastic video! I’ve seen many videos about Mary Bell but this was the best. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This story shows the horrible effects of generations of abuse, poverty, and untreated mental illnesses and how that can spread throughout a community like poison. The absolute hatred and pain in the letter Mary and Norma left in the nursery is so shocking and disturbing.I can’t imagine how the mothers and fathers of those poor little children must have suffered and the fear those little ones felt. I pray that they were able to find peace and healing in some way.
I agree that children can grow out of psycho pathic tendencies there’s this incredibly heartbreaking documentary about this little girl who was adopted and she was very cruel to her siblings and animals and her adoptive parents were struggling because they loved her but she was such a danger to the family. The little girl had been viciously abused starting basically from the time she was born. She did receive intense therapy and grow up to be a kind well-adjusted lady and she’s done a lot of work with advocating for abused children and children who suffer from mental illness. The Mary Bell case had to have been such a difficult case for the judge to make a decision being that Mary was so young but the victims were even younger and their deaths were so brutal. I think that the court didn’t have a choice but to give Mary a lifetime of anonymity for the sake of her daughter and grandchild. If they were able to find Mary it would be easy for them to find her daughter and grandchild even if their names have been changed. I think it was wrong for Mary to have profited a single penny from the death of those little boys and I think it was horrible for anyone to offer her money. I suppose it would be one thing if they asked her for an interview but told her they would not pay her but instead send the profits to the families of the victims or a charity as was suggested. Sorry for such a long comment.
Thanks 4 another interesting video Oddi really enjoyed it love your channel stay safe x and I'll see u next time u post
I had not heard of this one. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Not sure I would have let her out of jail though. But apparently she has proven that she "outgrew" those tendencies. Thanks so much. Be safe and healthy. Both of you.
I love that you dont censor ur content!!.. Also, great storytelling, relaxing pace and i love the voices "I know.. i just wanted to see him in his coffin" hahaha so good, new favourite channel!!
Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊
I pay the price for not censoring by having my videos demonetised by YT - but I hate censorship.
It snowed a lot herein Colorado and being an old lady snowed in what better way to spend the day by watching your videos. Than you a billion times for sharing these stories with us. God Bless and take care of you in these troubling times❤️💕
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You did an awesome job as always. I’ve heard of this one before. Terribly abusive childhood for Mary. Her crimes destroyed families yet she made money off them later. I can’t help but wonder what kind of mother was she to her daughter. One can only hope that she gave her daughter a better childhood than she herself had.
Back on the crime stories my personal favorite. Love listening to you tell these stories.
gosh been missin ya terrible!! Prayin for you in this new year..to you and yours..Happy New Year!! God Bless
Same to you! I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
So glad to see you back
Thank you.
That's one scary person to come across with.
I enjoyed every minute. Thanks
Thank you very much Diane :)
I remember hearing a video about the victims objecting to her making money on her history.
If she was raised in insanity, that is what she knew. She was exposed and was introduced to a new life. Perhaps she did do some self examination. They did say she was intelligent. When we have been treated badly it is hard to forgive so we can move on with our own healing. It would be nice if all could heal from what happen. I do realize the hurt never goes away.
Peace, Oddie, and thank you for making these awesome videos.
I’ve heard the stories about Mary Bell before but this was really comprehensive...and the follow up about her granted anonymity (that I hadn’t heard before) was very interesting.
Your thoughts about growing out of psychopathic tendencies... 🤔 I would probably say no, but I really don’t know. In this case, perhaps her daughter was somehow the small, helpless thing that taught her empathy. That being said, I find it difficult to believe that anyone (even a child) who has psychopathic murderous tendencies, who gleefully acted on those fantasies, can then just...move on? Also, I suspect that her telling her story was both about the money and having an audience to retell these childhood fantasies to. Pretty screwed up all the way around.
Actually children can't get diagnosed with Anti-social Personality Disorder because they naturally have many "psychopathic" traits and could easily be diagnosed with it and grow out of it as their brain develops. Also having anti-social personality disorder doesn't automatically make you evil - that's a stigma that's extremely harmful to those with the disorder as their seen as murderers or evil due to something they can't help even if their great people who've never done a thing wrong and are constantly helping others.
There's other disorders they don't officially diagnose children with until their older or adults because as their brain develops they often (or can) go away. I think schizophrenia is another one like this
@@ThanatosMist Hi, I've been looking for a study related to this for a while and I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction. Several years ago, I heard about a study that concluded children were functionally sociopathic between some certain ages (6-14 maybe?), and that they later grow out of it as their brains develop. I've been looking for this study for a while in vain. If you know the study I'm talking or can point me to something similar, please reply! Thank you!
@@Libbathegreat I found this article explaining it. I think it more has to do with how we've discovered morality develops in children which makes them seem to lack morals due to their brain/mind not having developed the capacity yet (it may be tied to abstract thought). So basically it has to do several theories within developmental psychology
www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/stop-the-cycle/201206/can-child-be-psychopath%3famp
Yeeeeesssy! Oddie I am Scottish and that is a Geordie accent 😁 but well done, the Scots accent is not the easiest to imitate. Great polished and interesting content as always 🏴
Where are people with a Geordie accent from??
@@lazyhomebody1356 Newcastle.
@@conorleeson-davis6666 Thanks!
Great job on this presentation Oddie!! I've been wanting you to cover this case for a while now. I have mixed feelings about this one. While I do agree that the information of Mary's family be private (for life), I'm not sure how I feel about Mary's information being private, especially since she decided to make money off her crimes. If I were the judge, I would've looked at that, and thrown her out of court. I do agree with the victim's family, that her rights seem to be more important than their rights. Just another really sad case...Anyway, thank you for yet another awesome video!
Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!
Her eyes are both beautiful and scary at the same time ., I thought the old west Texas gunman John Wesley Hardin had some hard eyes but I think Mary has him beat . This is the best coverage of her story I've ever seen and the old photos really add to it . You've outdone yourself as usual Oddy . Keep up the great work and stay safe .
I really appreciate your positive feedback Dennis - thank you very much :)
LOVE the accents on this one, it adds an extra something! Another banger, Oddie, loved it.
Thank you so much! 😊
Scary to think she’s living a cosseted protected comfortable life with her children and grandchildren
Don't know. She was a child her self when she committed the murders. She's not likely to kill again, nor her children and grandchildren.
It's pretty sick if you think about it. She gets to get Mother's Day cards and perfectly innocent mothers don't. It reminds me of those two kids who kidnapped a boy from a mall and killed him on the railroad tracks. They didn't have any sympathy for him. Why should there be any sympathy for them?
Yea but she spent her entire childhood in prison, I’d argue that was justice.
How could her husband be near her ? How did she even get a husband ? And kids ? 😳
another great tragic and telling story unravelled for us by ObsoleteOddity. Thanks man
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Mary has been out for years. Has her own daughter, who’s grown up now. When Mary was locked up, she was given a pet budgie when she was a teenager. She killed it, of course..
Budgie? Sorry I'm over here in the states across the pond so I have no idea what that is. Lol
@@MusicLeeSarah Budgerigar - Mary was given one. A pet bird in a cage. When she was a teenager. She killed it..
@@KinEllKokabel thank you for responding! So she killed it like on purpose, maliciously?
@@MusicLeeSarah Correct ✔️
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Isn't that one of the first signs of a person becoming a serial killer? Everyone says it she got herself together and is productive member of society but I'm more inclined to agree with some of the others that she's just hiding her crimes better. I know over here the FBI is real big on animal torture and murder. it's like their "here's your sign" moment that they realize a child is about to morph into some kind of sereal killer once they hit adulthood
I, personally, love your musings and ramblings that you call "blah, blah". Makes it seem like we're really talking with you somehow, rather than just listing.
That's very kind of you, thank you for that.
So a sociopathic child,murders 2 children, eventually gets out of prison,gets to have her own child,and is now a grandmother!
What is wrong with this picture!?
You don't get over,or grow out of being a murdering phyco!
If one of those children were mine? Mary would of never made it to prison!!!
With someone like Jon Venables (one of Jamie Bulger's killers) is easy to decide as he's ...well, he's not killed any more, but he has reoffended and is definitely not reformed.
Mary Bell and Robbie Thompson seem to have kept their heads down and I personally believe that once someone has served their sentence and been released, they should get another chance at life.
As for whether any of those three should have ever been let out... I'm not sure, they took a risk with all three and it seems to have paid off two out of three times, but I do know this.
Mary's children and grandchildren shouldn't suffer for what Mary has done, it's just passing down intergenerational heartbreak that Mary inherited from her mother.
Yeah really! Just what I thought!
Thank you Oddie and Patreons!
Thank you too!
No one tells the story quite like you Oddie. You're the best. I was surprised to hear that was your old stomping grounds. TFS 🤍🖤♥️
I really appreciate that. Thank you Karen :)
Excellent work with this one. I'm on a binge watch now while I practice guitar. Stellar channel.
I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
I just watched your video! Oh man...I believe she had a bad upbringing and her mother may have taken her frustrations out on Mary, which lead to Mary acting out her anger on others smaller than her. As she got older and was in the care of others, jail or hospitals or juvenile centers, she grew up and saw what she did was wrong. I don’t condone what she did, my heart goes out to the families and boys, but I do feel her problems stemmed from being treated poorly and maybe seeing stuff she shouldn’t as a child and learned from her mothers bad actions. We all have choices and there is right and wrong. Thank you for sharing your upbringing! I can’t believe you live and played where she grew up! Amazing! Thank you for your informative but highly entertaining uploads! ❤️
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I already knew this case but I like your narrations too much to not listen. So calming distinct and...special. Almost like from another time period.
Thanks Oddy !
(If i might call you so jokingly in a friendly way, just ometimes)
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@@ObsoleteOddity No thank you for keeping us entertained/ sane !
I've been fascinated with Mary Bell for a long while. Her story makes me so sad.
Good to hear from you Oddity, Lovin your stories keep them coming, Stay safe!!!!!
I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
Oh you know the Area? Well I'm in Country Durham so quite close to Newcastle. You are spot on about the people, once they get to know you they will adopt you. I was born in Yorkshire myself. I agree with your analysis of Mary. I can't recall if you have coved the case of Marry Ann Cotton? She's another Northeast killer, a black widow. She's often said to be Britain's first female serial killer. That Mary lived very close to were I live now. Great video as always.
So delighted to here your voice again Oddi, always a treat to listen to your stories. Thank you for all your hard work and brilliant putting together
I really appreciate that Louise. Thank you :)
Hello friend, thank you for the upload!
Thank you too!
The story was extraordinary wonderful as because of the mystery and the photographs and what was to come of her. I get mesmerized when I hear your voice telling the story of different people in the past thank you
I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
Another story one never forgets...how awful fir the families of those children...thanks again Oddie...
Thanks for the photos I remember this . I was so shocked at the time .
Wow what a story! My heart goes out to the families. Your life is never the same after losing a child to tragically . I know that only too well. Where is justice ! But I do feel compassion for the terrible childhood she had. So many victims in this sad story.. great video !!!
Hi Oddie! I hope you have been well. Thank you for your creative approach to the telling of this terribly sad event. Thank you for sharing your personal life at the end of this story.
I really appreciate your positive feedback Deborah - thank you very much :)
I love the story. But, how sad that Mary had such a bad start in life.
Thank you for the kind feedback Regina - very much appreciated.
This is a short that I find interesting to revisit. Thank you for posting this on TH-cam as well as Patreon.
You're very welcome!
Happy New Year! Glad you survived 2020 like me🌟🌟🌟l
Good luck for 2021!
Thank you so much for addressing this case. My heart hurts for the victims and their families incredibly, but also for neglected and abused children who grow up being taught that they are unwanted....and unfortunately that can lead some to bury any empathy they may have due to the pain of not receiving it from the ones who should have given it to them in their formative years.
It’s nice to hear a bit about your life!
I was so pleased to see this new video. Thank you oddie, I love your stuff.
I really appreciate your positive feedback April - thank you very much :)
Mary Bell should have been committed to an institution under good medical care to try and help her. A 10 year old that was so damaged is horrifying, she didn’t stand a chance. But on the other hand I love your Scotswood story.
Remember reading about this case when I was going up. So sad for the little boys. Very well presented by yourself, thank you.
I really appreciate that. Thank you :)
I don't think she should be able to profit from book sales that is kind of vile to me. I'm glad her family got anonymity not fair to punish her family for what she did. I really don't know if someone gets over being psychopathic, it's a hard question. Great video as always thanks Oddie and Sarah and the patrons!
This was fascinating! I vaguely recall the case as I am a criminology buff. You did a great job and I loved you adding the personal "attachment" at the end. Have a great week you and Oddette and yes lovely work Sarah on the research! Stay safe and God bless.
Thank you so much!
That's a fascinating case! I've never heard of this before, probably because I was bombarded with mostly american crime cases growing up. I have to say that based on everything you shared, I think it's good that she's free, allowed to be a mom and grandma. People can change if they want to and clearly she has grown up, matured, and chosen to do right. The fact that she was only 11 years old at the time of the murders is mind blowing to me. That's so young! I've personally known people who are reformed after a life of crime so I know it's possible and does occur. That being said, as always, I love your storytelling so much! You included a lot of pics and videos from the time, showing the actual people involved. And you just have this voice that could make the most boring story interesting and pleasant to listen to! Thank you for sharing this unusual story! A young girl abused and perhaps tortured, whether physically, mentally, or both, kills two even younger kids, does a bit of time but once released decides to live right and legally. I love it! It's a sad story with an encouraging ending.... 🤗🤗🤗
Thanks for your really great feedback, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)
The acoustic guitar definitely added the ambiance, you always know how to keep me hooked, cheers to another awesome narrative, you have found yet another way to immerse me into the story and make me see it through the eyes of the people who were there, much love to you and yours ❤️
The more I listen the more I feel for the parents who lost their children to these monster’s fancy, what twisted demon possessed them? Or was it just evil obsession
Thanks for your really great feedback Kelly, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)
I have to say that any time there's a case of a child murderer it bothers me a lot. We often view such things by our own yardstick, and our own memories of being that age. Personally, trying to seriously hurt or kill someone would never have crossed my mind as a child, and I had a fairly traumatic childhood in school. I was beaten and bullied almost daily for four years of public school, and for the most part nothing was done about it. There was a zero tolerance policy in place, but it applied to defending yourself as well, and if a victim did defend themselves, more than likely they would be the ones facing a punishment, not the bullies. I was many times accused of "instigating", basically bringing about getting beaten up, and this only happened when I defended myself. My own school principal flat out told me once that I was asking for it because I was "different", and that if I stopped being "different", acted like a boy should act (whatever that means), instead of being sensitive and reading all the time, I wouldn't be being hurt.
Anyway, I didn't mean to get on a tangent. My point in that was to say that even those of us who've had traumas in our past don't always turn out to be murderers. I certainly didn't, and I can't imagine how someone could. If you've experienced it yourself, you'd have to be a very callous and unfeeling person to want to bring such things (or worse) on other people. There may be some mitigating factors for why she did what she did, but still, it was a choice. She could have simply done to other children what had been done to her, but she chose to go far beyond anything that may have been done to her, and kill. Those are my thoughts on it, anyway.
Another masterpiece from you, Oddie. :) Very intriguing, and an interesting concept, how much priority the rights of convicted killers have as opposed to the victims and their families. How far is too far? Anonymity for her until she was an adult is one thing, as is the same for her daughter and granddaughter, because they bear no responsibility for what she did, but at what point should the legal system have said "Enough's enough!" in regards to her behaviour in selling her story? What ever happened with that part? Did the families win and did that money have to be turned over to a charity? I am curious about that, because I do believe there are laws in Britain about profiting from the commission of a felony.
Tend to think , as I get older, that we don't have much of a choice in what personality type we born with . I recall meeting children in my childhood who had violent tendencies , were prone to lie and manipulate others just for the joy of it whereas others - my self too - were bullied or called 'weird' by the so called 'normal' children. As I recall, the bullies came from all sorts of background, if their parents were well off, then people thought the nasty offspring was simply spoiled rotten and if the bully came from 'lower social economic background' people thought it was the circumstances that made the child aggressive. Also, I have known children coming from abject poverty and a violent (drunken father) upbringing who turned out perfectly nice adults and I have met some people with psychotic tendencies who came from happy and nurturing family homes. Some aggressive, manipulative people have very nice siblings who, although coming from the very same environment never the less feel no need to exploit others or cause emotional or physical pain. I tend to think that environmental influence on the developing child is an overrated idea when we try to explain this anomaly of some children being violent. To be more precise, I think the environment has a role in the development of the child in the sense that since we all born with a particular disposition - mild , artistic, aggressive, etc. - we need to learn in life how to use our disposition for the best in our own circumstances in our own environment. If it is true that Mary Bell could renounce her tendencies and become like the rest of society a contributing member then she had learned the lesson this life gave her. If we, the bullied ones can learn to set our boundaries and become like the rest of society , then we have learned the lesson this life have given to us.
I'm not only outraged you were treated like this (I was too) but that a fucking adult whose JOB was to NURTURE AND PROTECT you blamed you and told you to change. 😡😡😡😡
@@ametrineambrosia4929 yeah, it was a rather unfriendly place, that school, and my principal was more concerned with conformity than with what was just. The core of her zero tolerance policy was that if all students conformed to being "normal", then bullying simply wouldn't happen. Another of her solutions to bullying was to make the victims be "best friends" with the bully who had beaten them up, and walk to and from school with them, because she believed that would put a stop to it.
@@UnholyTriforceDelenn 😡😡😡😡how did that go. If she got raped, is she gonna blame herself and befriend the rapist??
@@ametrineambrosia4929 Ironically, that's exactly the argument my mother used. She actually asked the principal if she thought that if she'd been raped that she should be made to be "best friends" with her rapist and walk to and from work with her abuser every day.
The principal just didn't get it. She said that rape was completely different from bullying, and didn't get why my mother used that particular analogy.
I grew up in the industrial north of england just a couple of years on from these events and some of those pictures bring back memories of my childhood. Derelict streets awaiting demolition were our adventure playgrounds. Happy days.
Mary's mother should have served time in prison. The horrible things she did to her (Mary) are the direct cause of all the things she did.
Thank you for your lovely story telling. I do enjoy your reports.
That's very kind of you, thank you for that.