Williams brain melted in stuttering and long pauses. Lol Matt always owns this argument yet people still call in to tell him he's wrong. You figured someone would get a clue right?lol
Indeed. I couldn't agree more. I'm just grateful to live north of the US where we are much more accepting of others and their differences. However, things aren't perfect anywhere.
@itsjustcoreybro Because the Bible says it verbatim. Exodus 21:20 ends with, “...since the slave is their property.” In Hebrew, property would read “Silver”. It does not get any more clear than this. And, Hebrew history clearly shows a track record of chattel slavery.
I remember asking my mother what they're studying in Bible study because anytime I say something is in the Bible she is adamant that it's not, then I open her Bible and show her and she literally shuts down any further discussion, so clearly whatever they're studying in Bible study ain't the Bible 😆
About 3 or 4 years ago, my catholic mom started going to church every day instead of just on Sunday (she’s retired). Sometimes, I’ll notice her behaviors and choices that she makes that are not very Christian-like. I’m tempted to call her out on it (someday I might) but I feel like it will either fall on deaf ears or she will just call my perspective irrelevant since I don’t go to church anymore (I stopped going to church about 20 years ago). Anyway, I thought it was similar to your anecdote, so I wanted to share.
Because they study "Tradition", not the actual Bible. They usually don't talk about everything in the Bible because from the begining they knew it was BS.
Religion is great at influencing thought stopping techniques. My MIL is a Jehovah’s Witness and when COVID first started she went on this long tangent about how this was the end and the 144k (or how ever many they think are saved) will be in heaven and so on. If I tried to ask any question that was against her view and logical she would just go silent and stare. Not stare at me but almost through me. As if she was erasing the comment from her mind then would start over again. It’s sad really.
@@johnthijm5113 THIS!!! Absolutely correct TRUTH. Wish more people would realize this. Religion is seen by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful...Lucius Ananaeus Seneca. Religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich.. Napoleon Bonaparte. As it is now, the rulers/rich are killing the poor. This HAS to stop!
The church leading members are in direct contact with god so they are infallible and you shouldn't question or verify anything they say. If they say the bible says 1+1=3 it is true and so is the answer to 1+1. Period!
Had an arguement with a theist just yesterday (saw this video today) and the same horrible theist arguments were the same. Matt certainly had his ducks more in a row than i, but he’s also been at this far longer
If William, after saying "I'm not sure" and hanging up, didn't realize the folly of his belief system, then there is no hope. This was the most concise video I've seen of Matt completely eviscerating a person's argument. It took less than 11 minutes.
@Toughen Up, Fluffy Hell I was pretty much scolded when I was a child in Sunday School for asking my teacher questions. Then once you go to the main church to hear the pastor preach he would say that he didn't want any Doubting Thomases in his church so to always ask questions. But if you did you would get chewed out and told to pray to God about it.
Years ago I used to go to a church in UK where the preacher actually welcomed questions and challenges. His own theology was not exactly orthodox. Like a lot of British preachers, I met, he saw the Bible as a very flawed collection of books, and argued that believing in the Bible as being inerrant was setting up the Bible as a false God. His argument was that the only ground 0f faith was our personal experience and belief, including intellectual experience. I suspect most of the preachers I met in UK would be denounced as heretics by the American fundamentalist churches. One of his many messages was that disbelief after serious thought was closer to God than belief without thought. I think William fits the latter category.
William (at beginning): “I think you get God’s morality wrong.” Matt (at end): So what am I missing about God’s morality?” William (at end): “I’m not sure.” 😂🤣😂
Don't have nor want kids, but if I did I would never let on that santa, tooth fairy, easter bunny, etc... were real. Only mentioning it because you said father christmas. I don't understand why lying to children is considered normal and fine behavior. I get parents being wrong/ignorant and unintentionally telling their kids false info. But nearly all of them, try to convice them of these beings they know to be nonexistent. And then later (usually, after the kids figure it out themselves) admit they don't exist... Just something I thought of one day while bored af driving down the road...
Yes, at the end of this "conversation" I was like _"Why on Earth does he thinks, and almost speak like a child?! This is really bizarre."_ believers are really bizarre anyway ...
It's amazing that people can be convinced someone who healed the sick, fed the hungry, raised the dead, taught do unto others, and died for them is a monster.
@@keithherring7677 Ok, here we go... Count up the number of healed,fed, raised, and taught, and his one death compared to killing everyone off in a flood, wiping out cities and killing people right left and center....
Guys, don't call this guy stupid, seems like he's just clueless about his bible, but maybe it's not his fault, if he was indoctrinated. I feel empathy to his dilemma, after this call(in be4 talking to his family). It seems for me, that he has ability to understand things, but just never met critically thinking people and maybe he'll think a bit more and better now, i hope.(sry for eng, saying hi from Russia, good job matt and Shannon)
Yeah, I feel a bit bad for William. I was raised as a Catholic and if I had listened to this as a teenager I probably would have felt as confused as this guy was. Many Christians just don't aren't taught very much about the bible and only know the "good bits".
I think you're right, he does deserve credit. When asked what morally correct aspect of Christianity Matt was missing, the caller said he didn't know. That's a helluva lot more honest than many callers are / have been. Sometimes those words are the smartest thing a person can say.
I actually applaud the guy for not floundering and reaching after reaching the point of absurdity and just saying “ok.” That’s not the norm on this show.
Matt realised he turned this guy's world upside down and went soft on him towards the end of the conversation. Thank you Matt. You are such a gentleman.
Credit to the caller for being honest open and humble. He was indoctrinated and may well be on his path out of that indoctrination now. Great call. Matt was in the zone
Honestly this guy was surprisingly honest, he conceded points and he couldn't defend without too much prompting and was willing to admit when he didn't fully know something. Great call.
Matt dismantled it before the guy even had a chance to state what it was :D I guess that's what happens when you've been debunking the same claims for year after year; you can totally pre-empt how the conversation is going to go from the call screener's summary.
I wish Matt knew how to calibrate his attitude better. He can be firm without being so aggressive, particularly to callers like this who seem to have some humility and doubt.
Another one bites the dust* yet again. I don’t get why they’re so confident at the start of every slavery talk with Matt and they all end up not knowing what to say.
@The anti-anti-intellectual x YHWH is against slavery that is why He sent His son YHSWH to repay a blood debt so when it's time He could set the soul's free
The Bible itself proves that the god of the Bible is completely immoral and totally unworthy of worship or praise. So far, nobody has been able to change my mind on this...
Indoctrination removes the ability to question their own beliefs, they're happy to question someone else's world view simply because they feel righteous in the belief they hold, after all the bible tells them so!
That was absolutely brilliant, Matt and Shannon!!! William's brain was on overload when LOGIC questions were thrown at him! That was fun to listen to!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
This has to be one of the best calls ever. You can see Matt's face light up as poor old William heads straight for the rotating blades :) . At least William may go away and think a bit more about his ridiculous beliefs and why he holds on to them so dearly.
@@daraghokane4236 Equating prisoners and slaves is disingenuous. No one owns these prisoners as property. Also you say that the act of owning another human as property doesn’t seem to bad on its own? Maybe not to you but I can say that it seems pretty bad.
Gotta say it's beautiful... he even announces it; "I am going to be putting these mousetraps down, right here, right in front of you... now take off your shoes, and slowly step on them one by one..." ok!!
after seeing so many people who dodge questions and reset to the top of their script and ignore what’s been said, it’s refreshing to see someone just admit that they’ve been stumped.
The long pauses when the person finally tries to logically assess his worldview basis are so precious)))I can almost see that blank stare at that moment😂
Since morals are temporary local societal rules, it was moral back then. Doesn't say it was good or ethically correct, and that's why ethics stands apart from morals, which are frequently and frighteningly flexible.
The last 30 seconds of this call, a prime example of someone running off with their tail between their legs. These people need to apply some critical thinking rather than just accepting and trying to argue their indoctrination. Well done Matt.
“How weak is your God that he doesn’t know what people are saying on his behalf?” Whoa there’s a curveball if I’ve ever seen one holy shit! You could easily apply this to the writing of the Bible itself
So he admitted that the reason he's religious is because he was indoctrinated, tacitly admitting he knows he doesn't believe for good reasons. Seems to me this guy wasn't really calling to convince Matt he was wrong, he was calling to convince _himself_ that the bible is right. And he utterly failed, and admitted he couldn't actually give examples of christianity teaching better morals... With a bit of luck this guy will keep admitting to himself that everything he tries to justify his beliefs keeps failing, and he'll escape at some point.
Yeah, most haven't really thought deeply about this. At least he was honest about it and had _some_ self awareness. He also had the guts to call in. That gives some hope for the future.
He sounded so sad and confused by the end of the call, that I wanted to hug him. He doesn’t sound like a bad guy, just, as he admitted, indoctrinated. He may actually spend some time thinking about this conversation and alter his views. Most of us were religious at one point, and we weren’t stupid or bad people, just misled and mistaken. Those who are willing to have a conversation, have hope of getting out.
When your favourite ghost tells you to do something you do it. God rewards gullibility, he wants you to have the mind of a child, so carry on believing sucker.
Matt you did get it wrong God and Lord is titles that many use The wicked removed Names to confuse the masses as to who did what YHWH the Heavenly Father is Holy and is against killing and slavery and any form of evil Let me show you just how much you don't know it was not YHWH the Heavenly Father that killed the firstborn children of Egypt YHWH told His Angels to stand down and only protect His People it was the evil dark prince of this world that killed the firstborn children of Egypt and it was the evil Moloch who told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac at which time YHWH intervened and sent Archangel Micha'EL the I Am to stop Abraham from sacrificing Isaac to the evil Moloch at which time Abraham started serving YHWH and the Great Flood it was not YHWH who flooded Earth it was Enlil the devil who flooded Earth because Enki satan was turning hybrids into serpents and YHWH Creations was caught in the middle YHWH sent Archangel Uri'EL to warn Noah of the Flood
@@joshuabacon4564 Oh, you're funny. If that sudden streak of nonsense has anything of value whatsoever, then it only proves that anyone can bend or shape the bible as they see fit, and pull an explanation out of their ass. Nice try. And thanks for the laugh.
@@pwoods100 Truth offends you because you live outside of truth but it was written in the Book of Enoch that beings would twist and tamper with the truth so study before speaking as your lack of knowledge is obvious
I feel like this was another person who has fallen for the idea that just saying “context” would cast a spell over everyone and make us all incapable of discerning the “real meaning” of somewhat plainly worded text. I get falling for that when you are a kid and you think grown ups in authority have access to special knowledge.
I feel bad for William for being completely eviscerated by Matt, however, at the end, it seemed as though perhaps he had a breakthrough. This is the type of person that I wish had had a conversation with a street epistemologist or something similar instead, since it would've given him time to process his logic and beliefs and maybe see the flaws in them. There might actually be hope for him. He should've known before he called in that Matt would go straight for the throat lol.
Honestly, I think this guy is going to walk away from that phone call with a sense of clarity and peace of mind and hopefully take a step in the right direction. It might appear based on this video that this guy had his ass handed to him, but in all seriousness, I have a really good feeling that this guy is going to do some thinking and come to his senses at some point.
We can understand some things about God from what he has created. God has also disclosed some more information about himself in the person of Jesus Christ. So, it's true that we can't fully understand God but we can still know some things about him (which is actually a lot from human perspective).
@@Lerian_V How do you know this is actual words from god and not just some story? Also, how do you know that jesus christ actually existed, and is not just some myths added on top of someone else, like they do right now in north korea?
but but what about the part where god saves every 2 of every animal and Noeah's family from a flood, Matt?! You see, he saved many thing from the flood! That killed millions....oh
My wife is a catholic, I am an Atheist, but sometimes I go to her church to listen to their rubbish too get more ammunition. We went last week and the guy in the dress said this, " when a son is born, it is a blessing. when a girl is born it is a shame" we have 2 daughters , I said to my wife, did you just hear what he said. We left straight away, the more I expose my wife and her family to this shit, the further they move away from the church. Just like in battlefield 1, You are winning, lol
Biblical endorsement of slavery matches what you would expect from human authors. At the time the bible was written, slavery was thought to be more acceptable than it is today. Lots of horrendous things were more accepted back then. The fact that the bible endorses them is evidence that it's a product of its time, rather than a message from a devine being who by definition knows better. It's sad to see modern people defending these things. It's also really ironic that Christians will defend biblical slavery then turn around and say that it's the athiests who lack a moral foundation. My moral framework may be relative, but at least it's based on human well-being, and it's flexible enough for me to grow morally - I can learn and change my mind about my moral positions if I'm shown to be wrong. Their "objective" framework immediately leads them to obvious contradictions and/or morally reprehensible positions, and they're stuck with the words on the page. The ink is dry and their god is silent. It's also plainly obvious that while the bible stumbles into some good moral lessons, they are not exclusive to that book or to theism. The same lessons can be reached with a secular morality that values well-being. The mere existence of god wouldn't add anything of value to our understanding of morality, but if the bible is true then it contradicts our understanding. It offers an excuse for shitty people to do shitty things and that's pretty much the only "exclusive feature" of biblical morality.
God being angry is incoherent....when you look at what anger really is and we get angry...it comes from a lack of control of a situation or the expected outcome you desired didn't happen when it should...so if God is in control being angry is completely incoherent...
@@cy-one Yes. I was also surprised when I realized the bible says that after the food he created the rainbow to remind him not to flood the world again. He needs reminding too? What in the world. Btw how did you italicize the word regret? I'm not very tech savvy.
@@cy-one I am rather curious how something non-biological even _has_ emotion. Emotions only exist due to our biology... and since this "God" lacks this fundamental aspect, why would he even get angry? Why would he feel love? It is nonsensical.
This is what happens when a theist is forced to confront the problems with their religion and is willing to answer questions put to them, if they are honest with themselves like William seems to be, they are forced into a crisis of faith and begin to realize the truth of the matter. At this point William can continue down this path towards freedom from religion, or dive back into it with blinders on. I realized this at a young age, doing as I was told, reading the bible, seeing the moral problems with it and unable to get legitimate answers from those who were supposed to be teachers of Christianity.
I think Matt is a slave owner because he just owned this guy.
Williams brain melted in stuttering and long pauses. Lol Matt always owns this argument yet people still call in to tell him he's wrong. You figured someone would get a clue right?lol
Crazy prayingmantis: ''rim shot''
I think it's spelled "p3nd" At least that's how the kids spell it. They also like to say "GG" and "Get Wrekt"
Matt, did those too.
@@hegyak It's "pwned" and "rekt" but yea.
tYpIcAl AtHeIsT hYpOcRiSy (sarcasm)
Every Christian needs to hear this call. This was a really good one.
Indeed. I couldn't agree more. I'm just grateful to live north of the US where we are much more accepting of others and their differences. However, things aren't perfect anywhere.
@itsjustcoreybro - How so?
@itsjustcoreybro Do you mean defining slavery as owning people as property? Yes I agree this is correct interpretation. Do you?
@itsjustcoreybro Because the Bible says it verbatim.
Exodus 21:20 ends with, “...since the slave is their property.”
In Hebrew, property would read “Silver”. It does not get any more clear than this.
And, Hebrew history clearly shows a track record of chattel slavery.
@itsjustcoreybro read the bible son. Slaves could be purchased from surrounding nations and passed down as property.
Bro brought a cushion to a bazooka fight with this one 😂😂😂😂😂
I remember asking my mother what they're studying in Bible study because anytime I say something is in the Bible she is adamant that it's not, then I open her Bible and show her and she literally shuts down any further discussion, so clearly whatever they're studying in Bible study ain't the Bible 😆
About 3 or 4 years ago, my catholic mom started going to church every day instead of just on Sunday (she’s retired). Sometimes, I’ll notice her behaviors and choices that she makes that are not very Christian-like. I’m tempted to call her out on it (someday I might) but I feel like it will either fall on deaf ears or she will just call my perspective irrelevant since I don’t go to church anymore (I stopped going to church about 20 years ago). Anyway, I thought it was similar to your anecdote, so I wanted to share.
Lmaooooo best comment ever 😂
Because they study "Tradition", not the actual Bible. They usually don't talk about everything in the Bible because from the begining they knew it was BS.
Religion is great at influencing thought stopping techniques. My MIL is a Jehovah’s Witness and when COVID first started she went on this long tangent about how this was the end and the 144k (or how ever many they think are saved) will be in heaven and so on. If I tried to ask any question that was against her view and logical she would just go silent and stare. Not stare at me but almost through me. As if she was erasing the comment from her mind then would start over again. It’s sad really.
The Bible was written by people, not by a God. That is the part that explains EVERYTHING to me about what is wrong with religious belief.
And not particularly bright or moral people.
Man created God in his image: intolerant, racist, sexist, homophobic and violent.
@@johnthijm5113 THIS!!! Absolutely correct TRUTH. Wish more people would realize this.
Religion is seen by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful...Lucius Ananaeus Seneca.
Religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich.. Napoleon Bonaparte. As it is now, the rulers/rich are killing the poor. This HAS to stop!
And where's the proof for the evidence for God? It's all fairy stories.
Who wernt about at the time these tings are supposed to have happened
At the end the caller sounds as if his whole world's been flipped upside down.
Hopefully it has.
And then he became the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
That caller was utterly clueless about his beliefs
Wait until he tries to share Matt's argument with his family.
All I can see is the intro to the Fresh Prince lmfao
It is a good thing these Christians carefully read their bible so they are prepared when they call.
When people quote nonsensical bible passages to defend their position they sound really stupid to me.
The church leading members are in direct contact with god so they are infallible and you shouldn't question or verify anything they say. If they say the bible says 1+1=3 it is true and so is the answer to 1+1. Period!
James Richard yes but at least they have read the Bible so they’re prepared
Aqua Pete uhm are you joking?
Hard to focus on "the bigger picture" when bodies start piling up in front of it.
That's a nice phrase. I like it.
@@cy-one Paraphrased from Mordin Solus, if you were wondering.
@@thegrouchization I was! Good old Dr. Solus.
And actually the bigger picture is that
Man created God in his image: intolerant, racist, sexist, homophobic and violent.
This is the last slavery call I’m listening to, it’s too perfect 👌🏽
Yep! Matt has the 'leading them down the garden path' concept down to a 't' he utterly broke this guys brain in this call.
Had an arguement with a theist just yesterday (saw this video today) and the same horrible theist arguments were the same. Matt certainly had his ducks more in a row than i, but he’s also been at this far longer
I guess to me slavery is okay according to time he took to answer a yes or no smh
If William, after saying "I'm not sure" and hanging up, didn't realize the folly of his belief system, then there is no hope. This was the most concise video I've seen of Matt completely eviscerating a person's argument. It took less than 11 minutes.
Any theist who doesn’t ask questions like what Matt asked is simply not being honest with themselves.
@Toughen Up, Fluffy Hell I was pretty much scolded when I was a child in Sunday School for asking my teacher questions. Then once you go to the main church to hear the pastor preach he would say that he didn't want any Doubting Thomases in his church so to always ask questions. But if you did you would get chewed out and told to pray to God about it.
Believers LOVE to lie to themselves ... 24/7!
Years ago I used to go to a church in UK where the preacher actually welcomed questions and challenges. His own theology was not exactly orthodox. Like a lot of British preachers, I met, he saw the Bible as a very flawed collection of books, and argued that believing in the Bible as being inerrant was setting up the Bible as a false God. His argument was that the only ground 0f faith was our personal experience and belief, including intellectual experience. I suspect most of the preachers I met in UK would be denounced as heretics by the American fundamentalist churches. One of his many messages was that disbelief after serious thought was closer to God than belief without thought. I think William fits the latter category.
@@daistoke1314 damn he pulled a fast one with that lol. That would be a good one to use on the theists and it would work.
William (at beginning): “I think you get God’s morality wrong.”
Matt (at end): So what am I missing about God’s morality?”
William (at end): “I’m not sure.”
😂🤣😂
“...It would appear so” had me laughing way too hard
It's when he says "Come on man!" that makes me smile.
Personally, it was like eight second pause before it that made me laugh...
This is just cruel. Poor William was like a six year old realising father Christmas isn't real!
Yeah, I couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for him but this call was pretty funny.
William's discomfort was self inflicted. He called an atheist show claiming error and got sent to school.
Don't have nor want kids, but if I did I would never let on that santa, tooth fairy, easter bunny, etc... were real.
Only mentioning it because you said father christmas. I don't understand why lying to children is considered normal and fine behavior.
I get parents being wrong/ignorant and unintentionally telling their kids false info. But nearly all of them, try to convice them of these beings they know to be nonexistent. And then later (usually, after the kids figure it out themselves) admit they don't exist...
Just something I thought of one day while bored af driving down the road...
Yes, at the end of this "conversation" I was like _"Why on Earth does he thinks, and almost speak like a child?! This is really bizarre."_ believers are really bizarre anyway ...
WHAT?!!!!! Santa is not real? WTF!!!!!!
it's amazing people trying to justify worshipping a monster!!!!!
flying spaghetti?
It's amazing that people can be convinced someone who healed the sick, fed the hungry, raised the dead, taught do unto others, and died for them is a monster.
@@keithherring7677 It's amazing that people can be convinced that a petty, jealous, narcissistic, genocidal, mass murdering torturer is good.
@@keithherring7677 Ok, here we go... Count up the number of healed,fed, raised, and taught, and his one death compared to killing everyone off in a flood, wiping out cities and killing people right left and center....
@@Arkloyd You forgot pedophile slavery promoter.
...but ...but I was always told I was right when I regurgitated the indoctrination of my master. How could I be wrong? SMH
Typical behavior of the indoctrinated
We are all indoctrinated as children. Regardless of the religion.
Each religion is true
and all the others are false.
@@JamesRichardWiley they all think that....we are right..you are wrong 🙄
@@MicrophoneHell-ec3bm I wasn't indoctrinated, I grew up in a secular household. Thank goodness.
No perfect being would be jealous or wrathful.
Exactly
@@kentonbaird1723 Yahweh certainly reads like a 2 year old brat on a power trip.
Yahweh can't get what he wants.
That's his problem.
@@JamesRichardWiley The bible is a record of yahweh's shortcomings and mistakes.
By your standards. God is all in all.
Guys, don't call this guy stupid, seems like he's just clueless about his bible, but maybe it's not his fault, if he was indoctrinated. I feel empathy to his dilemma, after this call(in be4 talking to his family).
It seems for me, that he has ability to understand things, but just never met critically thinking people and maybe he'll think a bit more and better now, i hope.(sry for eng, saying hi from Russia, good job matt and Shannon)
Yeah, I feel a bit bad for William. I was raised as a Catholic and if I had listened to this as a teenager I probably would have felt as confused as this guy was. Many Christians just don't aren't taught very much about the bible and only know the "good bits".
Completely agree it can be traumatic to go through.
I think you're right, he does deserve credit. When asked what morally correct aspect of Christianity Matt was missing, the caller said he didn't know. That's a helluva lot more honest than many callers are / have been. Sometimes those words are the smartest thing a person can say.
Same I feel bad, I feel what he’s feeling. My world of my religion being correct feels like it’s getting smaller and smaller
I actually applaud the guy for not floundering and reaching after reaching the point of absurdity and just saying “ok.” That’s not the norm on this show.
Matt realised he turned this guy's world upside down and went soft on him towards the end of the conversation. Thank you Matt. You are such a gentleman.
yeah sure he is, he is nothing more than a thug that can never be wrong
agree completely!
Credit to the caller for being honest open and humble. He was indoctrinated and may well be on his path out of that indoctrination now. Great call. Matt was in the zone
Honestly this guy was surprisingly honest, he conceded points and he couldn't defend without too much prompting and was willing to admit when he didn't fully know something. Great call.
This was one of the best calls ever on the show - Matt completely dismantled the guys ‘argument!’ This was just pure gold
Matt dismantled it before the guy even had a chance to state what it was :D I guess that's what happens when you've been debunking the same claims for year after year; you can totally pre-empt how the conversation is going to go from the call screener's summary.
True that
At least you could see the wheels turning. Most callers are so arrogant they just start screaming at Matt.
I give him credit 4 that.
I wish Matt knew how to calibrate his attitude better. He can be firm without being so aggressive, particularly to callers like this who seem to have some humility and doubt.
@@katelynnehansen8115 I agree.
It's a fight reflex/confirmation bias that kicks in. You don't wanna think that you're wrong, so you dig your heels in.
@@katelynnehansen8115
You listen to the same nonsensical arguments from arrogant slavery-defending folks, and we’ll see what happens to your mercy.
Matt in full flow is a genuine joy to behold
For being so against slavery, Matt loves owning these callers
Shannon's reactions are priceless. The callers intellectual dishonesty is disappointing.
"How dumb is Jesus?" Love it, Matt!
"God is such a useless motherfucker" was a good one too
You can hear this guy have an epiphany at the end of the call.
Well done, Matt & Shannon.
Another one bites the dust* yet again. I don’t get why they’re so confident at the start of every slavery talk with Matt and they all end up not knowing what to say.
YHWH the Heavenly Father is against slavery it's the Anunnaki Birds and Anunnaki serpent that has enslaved humanity
@The anti-anti-intellectual x YHWH is against slavery that is why He sent His son YHSWH to repay a blood debt so when it's time He could set the soul's free
@@joshuabacon4564 cool story
@@joshuabacon4564no. Very very no.
The Bible itself proves that the god of the Bible is completely immoral and totally unworthy of worship or praise.
So far, nobody has been able to change my mind on this...
And also that that god doesn't actually exist. If Christians would only read and comprehend.
But god is good all the time, haven't you heard?
@@mattrickswayze2917 Well, I have heard that the bird is the word...😊
@@FusilliJerryBass do you think that owning a human being as property is moral or immoral?
@@mattrickswayze2917 Apparently, "Fusilli Jerry" doesn't like that question.
I wonder why?
When these apologist call in, seems like they would actually have thought out their argument.
Indoctrination removes the ability to question their own beliefs, they're happy to question someone else's world view simply because they feel righteous in the belief they hold, after all the bible tells them so!
They have thought about it. Just not critically...
To be charitable, it's probably because they have been surrounded by people who never question or challenge their positions
@@barrybarry9714 ultimate echo chamber
chamber
chamber...
Well done Matt. Thanks so much to everyone for their work in sharing these productions. Greatly appreciated.
Matt absolutely wrecked this guy! Poor dude didn’t even know what hit him lol
No he didn’t. Matt doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The Bible says nothing about slavery
Read your book and stop being intellectually dishonest
@@DeathStarU.S.A I read it more times than you got laid. And it doesn’t say you can own slaves and beat them.
@@RamenReignss You must be kidding right lol? Do you truly think Matt just makes up the passages that he states? Pls tell me you're joking.
That was absolutely brilliant, Matt and Shannon!!! William's brain was on overload when LOGIC questions were thrown at him! That was fun to listen to!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
"Jesus didn't know the scriptures?!!"
Poor dude, didn't know what to say!
Lol
This has to be one of the best calls ever. You can see Matt's face light up as poor old William heads straight for the rotating blades :) . At least William may go away and think a bit more about his ridiculous beliefs and why he holds on to them so dearly.
Person: Slavery is immoral.
God: This is a really tough one, isn't it?
I honestly think if slavery was never linked with racism people would not be against it example prison workers.
@@daraghokane4236 Not the same.
@@robby7499 My point exactly remove the racism aspect and the idea of owning a person isn't seen as that bad.
@@daraghokane4236 You can also enslave someone for sexual reasons. But no, the state does not own you, but it is supposed to upkeep you.
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Equating prisoners and slaves is disingenuous. No one owns these prisoners as property. Also you say that the act of owning another human as property doesn’t seem to bad on its own? Maybe not to you but I can say that it seems pretty bad.
There are 4 dislikes. That means that William + 3 other Slavery Loving Apologists have watched this video!
Gotta say it's beautiful... he even announces it;
"I am going to be putting these mousetraps down, right here, right in front of you... now take off your shoes, and slowly step on them one by one..."
ok!!
You are doing something really good for the free world, thank you. Greetings from Poland
The freeing of a mind can be a harsh process, and yet so beautiful.
we don't do it after a certain age, cuz it's dangerous
"he's gonna pop!"
2:37 The silence says it all. His brain is flipping over as the truth contravenes his doctrine.
after seeing so many people who dodge questions and reset to the top of their script and ignore what’s been said, it’s refreshing to see someone just admit that they’ve been stumped.
The long pauses when the person finally tries to logically assess his worldview basis are so precious)))I can almost see that blank stare at that moment😂
2:30
The point at which William's brain froze.
Matt: What Kind of God doesn't know? William: ....................ugh ..........ugh......ugh. 😂
This was like watching Kramer in a kids karate class....
This is like Scar and that mouse in Lion King
..”Kramer, what r u doing?!?!??”.... “im dominating”... ha
And yet another dilutional theist shot down in flames!
Delusional*
At which ratio was the caller diluted??
@@kinglyzard 3 into 1
@@Alakaizer Agreed, but in a weird way I kind of like "dilutional" as well....
I don't know about 'shot down in flames', he didn't even get as far as filing a flight plan.
Coming back after a year and listening again is still funny.
Please dont ever stop...you are amazing Matt!!!!
THIS was orgasmic! Keep Fighting and spreading truth!
To me, this is one of the best interaction of Matt vs believer.
Williams was defeated without showing bitterness - good for him.
When someone says there are so many examples and resons yet they have none...
This happens most of the time
🤔 The ignorance of the Old Testament authors believed slavery as moral. But was it moral? In all honesty, slavery is INHUMANE regardless of belief.
Straight up
Since morals are temporary local societal rules, it was moral back then.
Doesn't say it was good or ethically correct, and that's why ethics stands apart from morals, which are frequently and frighteningly flexible.
The last 30 seconds of this call, a prime example of someone running off with their tail between their legs. These people need to apply some critical thinking rather than just accepting and trying to argue their indoctrination. Well done Matt.
“How weak is your God that he doesn’t know what people are saying on his behalf?” Whoa there’s a curveball if I’ve ever seen one holy shit! You could easily apply this to the writing of the Bible itself
So he admitted that the reason he's religious is because he was indoctrinated, tacitly admitting he knows he doesn't believe for good reasons.
Seems to me this guy wasn't really calling to convince Matt he was wrong, he was calling to convince _himself_ that the bible is right.
And he utterly failed, and admitted he couldn't actually give examples of christianity teaching better morals...
With a bit of luck this guy will keep admitting to himself that everything he tries to justify his beliefs keeps failing, and he'll escape at some point.
This was painful!! Demolished in 10 min !!
Matt is my hero!!
All of these videos are good, but this is my favorite so far. So cleanly done. Thank you!
lol ... This guy starts out by saying Matt was interpreting the bible wrong, but the caller goes on to completely misinterpret the bible wrong. lol
He started of the call admitting he was indoctrinated. At that point we should have known the caller was stupid.
Yeah, most haven't really thought deeply about this. At least he was honest about it and had _some_ self awareness. He also had the guts to call in. That gives some hope for the future.
@@MichaelDeHaven maybe...hope is always welcome.
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Maybe he'll stay up tonight thinking about it.
It's more than worth a nights sleep.
@Jim Merrilees indeed
Don’t attack his intelligence attack the society that allows people to stay in that shelter cult😭
Total destruction, with a cherry on top! :) Matt, I love how you always own a dance floor. Greetings from Croatia, you guys are awsome!
He sounded so sad and confused by the end of the call, that I wanted to hug him. He doesn’t sound like a bad guy, just, as he admitted, indoctrinated. He may actually spend some time thinking about this conversation and alter his views.
Most of us were religious at one point, and we weren’t stupid or bad people, just misled and mistaken. Those who are willing to have a conversation, have hope of getting out.
fun day at the office for Matt. like shooting fish in a barrell.
That one 'thumb down' vote must be William lol!
giving up your own morals in order to defend a monster God is so very sad😢
Imaginary monster god*
At least he was honest and actually considered the questions and his answers.
One of the best calls in show history
Lol, what was this poor theist caller thinking calling in?😂🤷🏼♂️
I don't know but he just got his ass handed to him 😂
Theists, don't often think ahead of how bad their decision is gonna be. So long as Magic Sky Daddy happy, all good.
I guess it's pride before common sense. Many people take pride in their religion so this was clearly an embarrassing experience.
I'm a simple person. I see a TEA thumbnail with matt dillahunty and the word slavery in it, I watch and like the video.
When your favourite ghost tells you to do something you do it.
God rewards gullibility, he wants you to have the mind of a child, so carry on believing sucker.
There’s a reason god didn’t want anyone eating off the “tree of knowledge”, knowledge leads to the path of atheism
I always love how these conversations start out so lighthearted and friendly............and then the plunge begins.
Matt you did get it wrong God and Lord is titles that many use The wicked removed Names to confuse the masses as to who did what YHWH the Heavenly Father is Holy and is against killing and slavery and any form of evil Let me show you just how much you don't know it was not YHWH the Heavenly Father that killed the firstborn children of Egypt YHWH told His Angels to stand down and only protect His People it was the evil dark prince of this world that killed the firstborn children of Egypt and it was the evil Moloch who told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac at which time YHWH intervened and sent Archangel Micha'EL the I Am to stop Abraham from sacrificing Isaac to the evil Moloch at which time Abraham started serving YHWH and the Great Flood it was not YHWH who flooded Earth it was Enlil the devil who flooded Earth because Enki satan was turning hybrids into serpents and YHWH Creations was caught in the middle YHWH sent Archangel Uri'EL to warn Noah of the Flood
Ask him why they were PERMITTED to do any of that, and what Satan's tasks were post exile.
@@joshuabacon4564 Oh, you're funny. If that sudden streak of nonsense has anything of value whatsoever, then it only proves that anyone can bend or shape the bible as they see fit, and pull an explanation out of their ass. Nice try. And thanks for the laugh.
@@pwoods100 Truth offends you because you live outside of truth but it was written in the Book of Enoch that beings would twist and tamper with the truth so study before speaking as your lack of knowledge is obvious
@@joshuabacon4564 And then most priests said it was non canon, yes? And that book isn't even COMPLETE.
This is why you need to be 100% prepared to debate a senator not just have one argument and hope for the best
I feel like this was another person who has fallen for the idea that just saying “context” would cast a spell over everyone and make us all incapable of discerning the “real meaning” of somewhat plainly worded text. I get falling for that when you are a kid and you think grown ups in authority have access to special knowledge.
Because if pepe go in vajajay than woman not worth anythangthang. Thank you Bible for thousands of years of human pain, shame and needless slaughter.
I feel bad for William for being completely eviscerated by Matt, however, at the end, it seemed as though perhaps he had a breakthrough. This is the type of person that I wish had had a conversation with a street epistemologist or something similar instead, since it would've given him time to process his logic and beliefs and maybe see the flaws in them. There might actually be hope for him. He should've known before he called in that Matt would go straight for the throat lol.
Shannon and Matt look intelligent, talk intelligently and give people a chance to put their view......thank you.
I love it! This is one of the best ones I've seen.
You guys HAVE to get a cricket sound effect tract that Matt can hit during one of those "Oh shit, what do I say now" pauses!
😄😄😄😄
That’s a mature way to further the conversation. 🙄
Honestly, I think this guy is going to walk away from that phone call with a sense of clarity and peace of mind and hopefully take a step in the right direction. It might appear based on this video that this guy had his ass handed to him, but in all seriousness, I have a really good feeling that this guy is going to do some thinking and come to his senses at some point.
Ignorance and religion so often go hand in hand
I get this mental picture of the caller tied up like a pretzel not knowing what to say
"How weak is your god that he didn't know what was being said about him?" LOL, gets me every time.
Isn't god incomprehensible? So how does the guy can pretend he knows matt got it wrong?
God's ways are mysterious except when it needs to match your own likes and dislikes.
Because god is as cosistent as water is dry.
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The Lord works in dilirious ways
-Aron Ra
We can understand some things about God from what he has created. God has also disclosed some more information about himself in the person of Jesus Christ. So, it's true that we can't fully understand God but we can still know some things about him (which is actually a lot from human perspective).
@@Lerian_V How do you know this is actual words from god and not just some story? Also, how do you know that jesus christ actually existed, and is not just some myths added on top of someone else, like they do right now in north korea?
but but what about the part where god saves every 2 of every animal and Noeah's family from a flood, Matt?! You see, he saved many thing from the flood! That killed millions....oh
Desperately trying not to answer the questions..Christianity is based on a house of cards..
My wife is a catholic, I am an Atheist, but sometimes I go to her church to listen to their rubbish too get more ammunition. We went last week and the guy in the dress said this, " when a son is born, it is a blessing. when a girl is born it is a shame" we have 2 daughters , I said to my wife, did you just hear what he said. We left straight away, the more I expose my wife and her family to this shit, the further they move away from the church. Just like in battlefield 1, You are winning, lol
Battlefield 1 reference? Lol
Train wreck.... well done William, that told 'em! 😂🤣😂
This was one of the most of not the most epic beatdowns on the slavery and morality from the Bible ever. No doubt. 😅
I appreciate how you point out ALL the inequalities taught in the bible. 🙏🏾🙏🏻🙏🏿🙏🏼🙏🏽🙏
Jehovah Witness - *If Jesus came on your front door, what would you do ?*
Me - Ask him to clean it up.
Jehovah is a false translation that calls on a demon
YHWH is the Name of the Heavenly Father the Creator
@@joshuabacon4564 cool story bro, changed my life 🙂
Amaaaazing trap for this hilariously stupid mindset. More christian should listen to it. Well done.
Biblical endorsement of slavery matches what you would expect from human authors. At the time the bible was written, slavery was thought to be more acceptable than it is today. Lots of horrendous things were more accepted back then. The fact that the bible endorses them is evidence that it's a product of its time, rather than a message from a devine being who by definition knows better.
It's sad to see modern people defending these things. It's also really ironic that Christians will defend biblical slavery then turn around and say that it's the athiests who lack a moral foundation. My moral framework may be relative, but at least it's based on human well-being, and it's flexible enough for me to grow morally - I can learn and change my mind about my moral positions if I'm shown to be wrong. Their "objective" framework immediately leads them to obvious contradictions and/or morally reprehensible positions, and they're stuck with the words on the page. The ink is dry and their god is silent.
It's also plainly obvious that while the bible stumbles into some good moral lessons, they are not exclusive to that book or to theism. The same lessons can be reached with a secular morality that values well-being. The mere existence of god wouldn't add anything of value to our understanding of morality, but if the bible is true then it contradicts our understanding. It offers an excuse for shitty people to do shitty things and that's pretty much the only "exclusive feature" of biblical morality.
God being angry is incoherent....when you look at what anger really is and we get angry...it comes from a lack of control of a situation or the expected outcome you desired didn't happen when it should...so if God is in control being angry is completely incoherent...
That's a great point!
Well, seeing how he also _regrets_ things, I think anger is pretty consistent with that.
He's just obviously not all-knowing :D
@@cy-one Yes. I was also surprised when I realized the bible says that after the food he created the rainbow to remind him not to flood the world again. He needs reminding too? What in the world.
Btw how did you italicize the word regret? I'm not very tech savvy.
@@jeannie1592 YT reacts to underscore and asterisks with italics and bold. Don't ask me which one is which, though :D
@@cy-one
I am rather curious how something non-biological even _has_ emotion. Emotions only exist due to our biology... and since this "God" lacks this fundamental aspect, why would he even get angry? Why would he feel love? It is nonsensical.
4:39 when did god change his mind about slavery?
I always feel like the callers watch a bunch of episodes as a way of training for their call, but alas they always sound dumb
I love it when christians being trapped in a corner. They sounded like a complete clown.. 😂
This is what happens when a theist is forced to confront the problems with their religion and is willing to answer questions put to them, if they are honest with themselves like William seems to be, they are forced into a crisis of faith and begin to realize the truth of the matter. At this point William can continue down this path towards freedom from religion, or dive back into it with blinders on. I realized this at a young age, doing as I was told, reading the bible, seeing the moral problems with it and unable to get legitimate answers from those who were supposed to be teachers of Christianity.
Matt broke him. lol. He's a lot more honest than most callers though.
William confidentiality jumped into the deep end of the pool without his water wings on & found himself drowning way over his head real quick