The Truth about Klipsch’s “NEW” Sound. RP-600M Update.
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Sir please
You Can Someday Review the klipsch thx? I would like to see If And How compares
Erin, it would be great to see a Klippel analysis of one of Danny's upgrade / fixes on these models. from his CLIO measures his upgrade improves it a lot, but the Klippel clearly measures more. Amir's analysis showed the upgrade to be far superior. Would be great to get your assessment of Danny's system too if you can get down there and see/hear it
I modified my original RP-600Ms by changing the tweeter cap from 3.9uF to 10uF which eliminates the dip at about 1.5KHz. I also changed the resistor from 9.1 ohms to 13 ohms which lowers the treble by about 2.5 db. These changes are easy and inexpensive, depending on the type of cap you use.
I recently purchase the RP-600Mii and I like the sound of my modified original RP-600Ms better. Punchier bass and more balanced.
That sounds amazing. Where did you learn that and parts? I see GR Research has a kit that's $300, kinda steep.
Can you please share details of the Mod if you don't mind.
Just here to support my man Erin. Your reviews are more trusted than almost anyone in the industry.
+1
You. You complete. Me.
@@ErinsAudioCorner You had me at Hello. You had me at Hello ❤
Just commenting for the YT algorithm. These reviews are way more valuable than anything else I’ve found.
Love that you included off-axis cea2034 data! Please do this in the future for any speaker where the designer recommends no or less toe-in. Your efforts are much appreciated.
The perfect moment to get a great deal on the old version.
I doubt the difference in sound is huge.
Ive owned the 600m for 2 years. They are very placement sensitive. I finally bi wired them for a fuller mid range and a slight toe in with the speaker grills left on. They sound tremendous. Using a 10" klipsch sub.
I really like mine toed in and tilted up. Sound great standing or sitting without feeling the need to move them around constantly based on what I'm doing. The bass response I got after tilting them up surprised me. It doesn't disappear when I stand up anymore
I don't understand why Klipsch still can't list the real sensitivity numbers...
Because they will lose sales? It’s on papers, it’s sales leverage. It’s like high pixel count on small sensors. It sells, doesn’t it? Yeah, we are dumb and that makes us “happy”
@@BastianUllr I know about sensitivity, but i still like klipsch sound🙈
Well done. Looks like a worthy contender in its price range especially for home theater.
Hi Erin, great review with great data as always. I'd also be interested in the review of the RP-500M II and also the RP-500C II & RP-504C II centers. ;)
These genuine Technical Measurements of True Speaker Performance are what we appreciate; it indicates "Responsibility" and not just Blah, Blah, Blah this is what we think crap.
Yes I agree you need data to back up your listening evaluation!
I would love to see a review and measurements on the RP-504C II, especially since I still can't find anything on the first version either... I have a 5.2.2 RP-8000F, RP-504C, RP502S, Prime Elevation, 2x SB-3000's, setup run by a Marantz AVR currently. I think I'd be most interested in the difference for the new center channel first, in hopes that it would make voices and everything else sound even more natural, and hopefully even improve the dispersion and response a bit... I would even be willing to possibly front the cost to buy and ship it from Audio Advice or somewhere similar just to have it measured and reviewed for the internet to see. 🍻
To me, Klipsch is a speaker that does well for transparent screens in theater projection, so it makes sense that the cover on the M II complements it. I will use M IIs as the mains and Ms as the surrounds.
I had the rp600 for a few weeks. They were fatiguing. Very harsh. Sent them back and went with Elac dbr62's and never looked back.
Well according to my Uncle Danny ripping out the crossover and replacing those cheezy parts will increase clarity.
Thank you for getting this out so quickly! I've been curious about these since the usual subjective only reviews came out.
As always, prefer your reviews over others due to the substances (measurements) you provide. Klipsch stated that they made voice coil for woofer 60% bigger. It also looks from your side by side picture the new woofer cone is slightly bigger.
Both Robinson and Guttenberg both praised v2. Dynamics is the major attribute that both of them praised for both v1 and v2, is that a characteristics that Klipsch has over other speakers? Robinson also provided a FR curve for his v2 assessment without any explanation.
Guttenberg is a good salesman, his praise for v1 helped Klipsch sold more v1. Klipsch may send him v2 for review.
I think the woofer appears larger because the chamfer which starts at the top of the cabinet now extends all the way to the bottom on V2, where on V1 it fades out to a sharp edge.
They do this because the new waveguide is larger, and having the old V1 design would look messy
According to Erin's measurements of THD, v2 is 8 db cleaner that v1 at 500 to 600hz region when playing at 86 and 96 db loudness, that's an improvement of woofer, even if not every one can hear it.
@@swllz There's a noticeable dip in V1, that's no secret. It's nice that V2 fixes this, the real question is does that fix in the dip worth upgrading to brand new speakers.
By far, the most informative and objective reviews. You make the others look like ameteurs.
People go ape$hit over power amps that don't meet specs, but no one bats an eye when Klipsch claims 5-6+ db sensitivity in their specs over actual measured performance. I find that interesting.
9! One of the least efficient speakers you can buy…
Everyone uses a class A/B or D amp with lots of power.
85,86, maybe 87 db at best. Wow that’s a big difference than advertised. I’m a Klipsch fan but that’s really disappointing how misleading they are.
I won a pair of Klipsch RP8000F and revel 228be. Based on my McIntosh 462 meters the revels use less power for the same volume. The revels are rated at 90db.
Klipsch have Said themselves they use in room measurments.
Nice! Jumping ahead of the pack with your objective review.
Good review, the better linearity was noted in other reviews, so you are on the same page in that regard. Previous reviews I saw on the 500 with measurements said it did not have the dip that the 600 and others in the series 1 had; it was the most linear out of the box, FYI. The RP600 and the predecessor RP160 were wildly popular, not sure the 5" version was anywhere close.
Where did you see measurements on 500’s?
I would like to see a review of the Klipsch 500Mii.
Also Wharfedale 12.2
Can you show us the crossover new vs old?
Hey Erin ever thought of doing something like top 10 in ear room response speakers on your site ? So we could easily sort the cream from the crop. Or maybe something like a graph comparison tool, where we could compare different speaker measurements directly on the site ? If you keep going at this rate, there is soon gonna come a time, when there will simply be too many speakers to go through on the site, to find that good one with great all around measurments. Or maybe some sort of scoring system, i don't know. An active and passive category for loudspeakers and subwoofer would really come in handy too. I'm just thinking out loud here and forgive me for going offtopic. I did enjoy the review like always :)
The main improvement of the larger horn provides better control down lower than the smaller horn. The smaller horn to flat baffle to box edge is a more gradual change to the side box walls than the vii which jumps right from horn to box side walls.
8:45 that void in the V1 frequency response looks terrible.
A balanced Klipsch. And wider treble dispersion. This is a better speaker.
I found it strange and interesting that in all marketing material, the new models were shown towed out, back straight to the wall. They never marketed any prior speaker that way.
Seeing your data I'm intrigued and wonder if that might have been intentional.
I think these speakers, and likely especially the larger dual woofer center channel versions of these, would do quite well behind a large acoustically transparent projection screen, maintaining dynamics and efficiency, overall enough detail for movies, etc
Nice review I prefer the JBL 530 to the original 600M. I hope people use your affiliate link you earned it. I will use it for my next sock purchase.
WOW am I seeing that right? Actual measured sensitivity is 83db at 1khz??? That’s 11db below the advertised specs! Criminal!
Outstanding presentation on the 600 M 11's. You confirmed "Technically" what we thought Klipsch was trying to achieve with the Upgrade....It's Smart to broaden thee "Mains".
Erin, I wouldn't say that distortion is pretty much the same. The newer model has significantly lower distortion thru the most of a woofer range. For example, at 600 Hz the first speaker has THD about -35 dB, but the second has about 10 dB lower distortion at that frequency.
They’re not exactly miles apart here, though. And overall, they’re similar enough for it not to be a deciding factor.
Klipsch stated that the woofer voice coil is 60% larger, it looks to me for Erin's picture, the woofer area is a bit larger, that may explain to lower distortion from woofer
Appreciate your video , thanks a lot. ❤
I would like to see deep unboxing of the mk2 version , I am interesting to see if they upgrade and used better parts in the crossover and the internal bracing, as the original RP600M used the same cheap crossover as the RP160 , and the internal box did not have any bracing. Thanks
I’ll see what I can do. But my time is very limited so don’t count on it. Plus, I need to try to sell these off to recoup my costs.
THX for the review!!! Please I would like a review of the RP-500M II!!!
I use these as computer speakers believe it or not, desk is pulled away from the wall a bit, and paired with a mid tier NAD class D amp. Sounds good at lower volume at night and they can really fill a room when away from the desk. I listen to all genres of music and play some FPS games and it works out great. No regrets.
I wonder if you could test some of the popular kit speakers, like the Parts Express Tri Trix, for example.
I used to have the version one and four music it sounded really good. The only reason I switch from those speakers is because a high percentage of my listening in the room they were in his home theater and an extreme dynamic situation they got harsh. In all Barron and it was the 8000 series powers that really got harsh considering they were the LCRs. These were my sides around so it wasn’t as noticeable.With how good the version one was for music I would like to hear the version twos.
500m I was 250 on sale (maybe close out on adorama) , and a review of the 500m II would be greatly appreciated to understand if it better to get the old one at the sale price or get the new one at MSRP/ Or wait for the new to go on sale.
I watched Steve's review, but I still don't know if the 2s are better than the 1s. Thanks for the video. Will probably get the v2 speakers.
Nice job. Real sensitivity data not just taking the manufacturer’s spec and parroting it. Also honesty about bass from a bookshelf speaker. People that say they have much bass below about 60 or 80hz are delusional. Thanks again.
I think they look great, the new horn and rear terminals. I like the Klipsch sound. I had the 160m’s which are a little bigger. I liked them but I like my Canton 7’s better(not really a fair comparison). I’d be more interested in the 6000m towers in piano black if they decide to eventually produce those. I love the Klipsch sound to be clear and could live with them if I didn’t already have the Cantons.
Great review as always! I’d love to see some SVS speakers reviewed by you. Especially the Prime towers…😉
Hi Erin, did you mention if the speaker grills were on or off in the second measurement with EQ applied? Again thank you for your work!
Off for both.
Good Advise on listening with the covers, smooths out response 👍
Hi, I bought RP-600M about 5 years ago. Last week I was blasting some house music really loud through a cambridge audio streamer. My listening room is small square, as in 12ft x 12ft. I sit 7.5ft away from the speakers in a couch. The speakers are on a tv stand 2.5ft apart from eachother and 4.5" away from the wall.
The Left cabinet woofer is dead. Tweeter is working. I removed the woofer to see the cone is almost separated and when I push it in and out I hear grinding/scratchy sound. I also noted after taking off the grill, there are dimples on the gold coloured centre area of the woofer. I am very sad to see this happen and seek your advice.
My hifi setup is fairly a complex one. I have 3 dbx sound processors going into a Hitachi preamp which goes to a NAD 2200 Envelope Power Amp. With the help of a switch, I also can toggle between the NAD amp and a Marantz 250M power amp. What I think I've done is while engaging and disengaging different bass boost settings in the 3 dbx sound processors, I've put too much load onbthe speakers. I am not a techy guy, just assuming.
Would you recommend I buy RP-600M II and just be careful before boasting frequencies while volume is loud or search for a new replacement woofer.
Appreciate if you could kindly give me some direction. Loved watching your video. Thanks.
Thank for your informative and helpful review.
RP 500ii would be a great review for me. Thanks
At least they fixed the crossover dip from the version 1
Nice review. I did watch Andrews review and from what I remember he made it sound like the treble was more subdued than it appears in the data, think he's more referring to that 7khz region. He liked the speaker a lot more than the v1. His reviews have the chapter markers so you could just watch the part relating the sound which appears to be only about 5 minutes.
Enjoyed a lot of the different data that you provided for this. Is it possible you could include multiple estimated in room responses for more speakers in the future as 0, 15, 30 I think would be very interesting to see.
Also I'd rather see their center channels measured over the smaller bookshelf. So my vote would be rp600c v2 and rp500c v2 over rp500m v1 and rp500m be. Waveguide/horn mtm centers are kinda of the gray area from your center channel video (which was excellent) so more data and that I think would be helpful for the community moreso than seeing the 5" bookshelf.
This.. id rather see center channels being reviewed than rp500m
I’ll see about testing their center channels.
@@ErinsAudioCorner awesome, appreciate the work you do for us!
I think the Rp-600M speakers are great for rock music paired with a NAD and dedicated sub is hard to beat
a 404c vs 404c ii comparison would be awesome because they are the most different in size and ported vs sealed
I hope the newer versions are a 2.5-way, cuz the original 504C was a mess in the horizontal off-axis
Great job as always Erin.
-BEST Technical Presentation as Yet on the Klipsch 600M II. You confirmed Technically what we "thought" was going on with the 600M's. The response is essentially more "FLAT", No Dip where the Tweeter Takes Over --- essentially it's a True Main Speaker and the Broader 'Horn" makes the Higher Freq's less Directional in a Room. We happen to like that --- Klipsch HORNS are Great Tweeters, bit on Bright Side, However, WHEN WE SEE A C-8 NOTE (4800 HZ) ON A PIANO...WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR, THUNK! i HAVE 19 YEAR OLD KLIPSCH MAINS WITH HORN TWEETERS, AND WOULDN'T GO ANY OTHER WAY. AND I love that they're "Broadened The Room Acoustics" with RP-600M'S, made the Highs less directional. Thinking of an Upgrade...It's time.
All I know is I am listening to the newest Chris Stapleton vinyl album on the m’s and it’s glorious. I don’t know why I would possibly need to upgrade because they sound fantastic.
I think it’s rough to upgrade to the V2 so soon after release as you’re paying full MSRP and Klipsch are imo good bang for your Buck speakers due to their constant sales like the RP600M V1 being obtainable at $350/pair. But $750/pair for the V2? That’d make me consider going for something else.
These speakers are for the hard of hearing like Mcintosh.
scam alert!!!
Hi Eric.
Very good review.
Thank u.
I've had the older rp160m they were the model before it was renamed the 600 for scream years now. I now own the 600ii and if you have the 160s no brainer easy upgrade! I was not able to compare them with the 600s. I've only had these a bit and I do like the sound they are bright but I'm sure with some time they will settle down. My 160s were the same way and now the sound good but nothing like these new ones. If you are on the fence I highly recommend them. Got them on sale for 419.
Great video again! After watching many of your videos, I still don’t know what type of processor that you have? Please share
please do compare RP 500 m2 with RP 500
I always feel bad for the companies that are honest in their specs because I'm sure they lose a lot of sales to companies that make up specs.
With these actually being at 85-86dB how many real 89dB speakers aren't even considered when people are looking for efficient speakers?
Awesome review! How would these series compare to the Kef Q and R series?
Now if you had a early Peter Green Fleetwood Mac T shirt, I would have been impressed.
Thanks for all your hard work on this Erin, this was really interesting and very helpful. I would actually be interested in a RP-500M v1 vs. v2 comparison if you can swing it, and I would also be interested in how they compare to the 600M's, as I am considering these for my surround and rear surrounds speakers. The 600M's are a bit big to mount on my walls, but also don't want to lose any performance going for the 500M's... So I hope Audio Advice is able to hook you up... ;-)
I think the 500 is the better speaker all around over the orig. 600.🤷🏻♂️
Me too
I don’t think you’re see the full potential of a speaker when it’s used as a surround speaker. In that use case, you’ll just be wasting money on the 600. Get the 500 or even a 400. Fronts/mains is a different story
Yeah I think you guys are right... and of course the more practical solution would be the RP-500SA's, as they would mount better on the wall and take a lot less space, but there again... I'm worried I might be missing something with the smaller form factor... how do you guys feel about the RP-500SA's instead of the 500 or 400M's? For what it's worth, I have the RP-8000's and RP-504C for the front stage...
500’s are on their way. Courtesy of Audio Advice!
In my humble opinion, Klipsch are let's say full if it and got caught with their pants down with their sensitivity ratings. 🤔🤫🙄 Back in the day when there weren't people like Erin to educate us about this Consumers thought klipsch were more special than they really are regarding their sensitivity. To be 8 db from what an average consumer would think while reading that specific piece of data in the speaker specifications is just wrong in today's audio scene.🤯 I mean 8 or 9 db off!🤔🙄
I was fooled by Klipsch's rating of sensitivity. I am sure a lot people are tricked to thinking that Klipsch horn tweeters are magical so they are 9 db more sensitive than all other tweeters.
Even Andrew Robinson had bragged about high sensitivity of Klipsch speakers (videos about RP-600M and RP-600Mii and other videos when mentioning Klipsch speakers. That is another proof that without measurements, some speaker reviewers on you tube are talking about their elusions, in the end they are just good talkers, some other speaker reviewers are just good creative writers, there is no real substances without any measurements to back up.
Another great review! Again, your listening impressions of the first version mirror my own... lending great confidence that your impressions of V2 also will. And, GSD's are the best! I love mine too! 😍👍☺️
Please review the 500m version 2
Is it normal to enjoy v-shaped frequency response? ASR claims that people enjoy a flat response the most. Now I have tried flat speakers, but if I EQ down 500hz to about 1500-2000 down a bit and boost the highs and lows a bit i I get a sense of clarity and higher realism.
I never set out to boost the frequencies like that, it just ended up doing that by trial and error knowing little about speakers. When I hear speakers like RP-600M, i tend to enjoy them immediatley, I looked up the frequency response after having listened and low and behold it didjnt have a flat EQ, it has lower values where I usually lower the frequencies on flat speakers and boosted highs... Not sure what to think... Although bright and they will hurt my ears, I can EQ the highs off when I need that...
Having to find always equalizers to increase highs in all existent speakers I hope those will work out of the box and without the need of an equalizer..... I love V shape sound.... I have a 300W per channel power amp and double subwoofers so don't care about sensitivity.... I will make them sing like Pavarotti on a C flat note....
Any idea what the best placement of these speakers are? Tweeters straight ahead or pointed towards the listener? I replaced a pair of Polk satellites with these (huge difference...about 8x the cabinet volume!)
The Klipsch RP 600 M with the Reisong A10 is TOP. 👍👍Thank you
Thank you for the detailed review. Thank you!
Great review Erin. I for one am pretty happy with the original RP-600M and likely to keep them around for a long time (using them mainly for music listening). For their price, I think I'd rather not spend the money for a next generation upgrade but perhaps something put that money elsewhere. Sort of thinking along the lines of the KLH Model 5 or another floorstanding speaker over the bookshelf speakers. Either way, I'm liking the fact that your review as well as others are delivering a message that while the RP-600M II are an improvement over the original version, the original RP-600M still has a lot going for it.
@JtagPabb1e What MLP?
MLP - main listening position
Great work u doing Erin, initially i thought u were arrogant,but once i started following u and seen ur ok old videos,now i see u as a no nonsense sensible youtuber 👍
Great review. Enjoyed the comparison with measurements. Question, how does the 600M V2 model compare to something like Elac uni or Keff with concentric driver regarding soundstage?
I’m big fan of dual concentric and I’ve had Kef, Tannoy, Fyne, and Technics. I still have concentrics and regular. Why? Because I can haha, but concentrics have a really nice imaging accuracy. Even at low volumes. They shine if you have to sit close to them. If you sit far, they are much more alike other speakers as long as it’s well designed for dispersion between tweeter and woofer. It’s not a must, but it’s nice. I still have a dual concentric.
Concentrics have a nice dispersion pattern, but directivity changes with design and that alters the Interaction with the room, which alters the psychoacoustic perception, which alters the imaging perception. It depends of what room you have and what would work best in your room.
Thanks for your review. When you say "I recommend turning the speaker about 20° out (facing out into the room)" do you mean turning them out toward the nearest sidewalls or in toward the listening position?
Hi there, sorry new to audio in general but how do you manually add equalisation adjustments?
Curious to know your thoughts of the V2 v/s SVS Ultra Bookshelves
Is the differience in the sensitivity a trade off?
Outstanding! Thank you
Thank you for the review Erin's !
Nice to see some EQ adjustments proposals. Hope to see you built some neat DIY speakers. With a Purifi or Scan Speak woofer ;)
Great review Erin.
How do you think the rp600m would pair with an old marantz 2218?
We would love to see a 500m video!
Would you be able to get ahold of the V0.5 of these the RP-160M? I think that would make a KILLER 3 way comparison.
They're on the way! :). Not sure about the RP-160M, though. :/
@@ErinsAudioCorner awesome! The RP-160ms are often on sale for less than $250 a pair.
I own a pair I may do a video on mine I’ve been thinking of switching my channel to more of an audio focus.
It's too bad hat they fixed the midrange suckout, but didn't tame the too hot tweeter. I hope they didn't change the balance of the RP500M in the new version, because the original was the only Klipsch bookshelf that didn't have the midrange suckout and too hot tweeter
Thanks a lot for the awesome review!
RP-600M II vs Monolith 365T, which one should I buy?
Emotiva B1+ or Klipsch RP-600M II?
Graphic equalizer?
I had the rp600m1's, I got them after the hype online. Turns out, the drop off in the midrange was obvious as it lacked detail and presence of certain instruments in that 2k range. I surmised the hype was due to the reviewer being a casual listener that didn't listen to a variety of music. I sold mine.
And what did you buy instead?
@@leofurda better speakers from a different brand.
@@scottlowell493 I had over the last years more phases of trying and comparing speakers. I brought home different brands and compared between them, so I was curious which one you picked eventually.
@@leofurda The reason I avoid these answers is that outside of measurements, there is the subjectivity. FWIW: the 600MII are a big improvement over my old 600M.
@@scottlowell493 no, I'm not here to discuss your taste and sound preferences. I'm a musician myself and like to enjoy a good sound. I don't afford the expensive flagships, but I preferred the Klipsch RP-160M overall over more expensive brands in that category. At least for classical music, the high tones are almost unbeatable and overall very honest to the reality. Elac are also fantastic speakers.
Great review my friend!
I’ve been thinking about this great review a lot since I watched it. I think that tweeter may need to be thought through again if your sensitivity measurements are right (and I have no reason to think they aren’t). People always call these ideal with low watt tube speakers (which I love) but something may be left on the table if the output is too low - in direct opposition of their past marketing.
looking at the last graft i think if you turn them upside down and tilt them backwards quarter to half an inch might be better!
you should try that when you do measurements but not always tilt them back sometimes tilt them forward or just straight.
Thanks for the video.
I have always wondered why some people prefer narrow speakers, but you explained it great with the live room thing. I have fairly wide speakers, and until I added some acoustic coverage on the wall I was losing the center point a lot.
Very good review. Thank you.
How do you like these compared to Polk ES15?
Thanks for the great video. I had version 1 however sold them and now planning to buy Arendal 1723 S bookshelf. How would you describe the sound difference between the two since both speakers are more for home theatre and then music? THanks again.
These speakers have now been demoted to office. I use stands. I sold my REL sub. I use a vintage Technics with loudness. They now sound amazing, smooth with firm bass. Main new system is a floor stand design by J M Reynaud with 92 Db sensitivity and needs a lot less power than the Klipsch. Klipsch give false information.
Can you recommend a good equalizer that can apply the eq curve that you generated? What gear did you use?
So would the sensitivity ratings from Klipsch be more accurate when crossing these over at 80 hz with a subwoofer? If more bass is being ran through a smaller driver would that change if your not even running those lows to the speaker.
How do the 600m i/ii compare to the rb-81ii ? Sadly klipsch stopped the 8“ … for surround the rb81 are better because of closed back ? Thanks
Thanks For the review witch on world you recommend to use for hight channel’s??