I have both. I can confirm most of these observations, but I think room plays a bigger role than many realize. I have mine in a fairly small room and have a been happy with both. For example, both are able to throw sound effects out to my side when watching movies, although I think the Elac does a slightly better job of this. I do get a decent phantom channel run my Elacs, but it is a little more distinct from the Klipsch. In my observation, the Elacs do create the described large soundstage at the front plane of the speakers, but do throw sound from movies beyond that plane. The Klipsch sound like the sound is coming from a couple feet in front of the speakers (I’m guessing that’s the horns at work) and are also capable of 3D effects. Tonality, there is a really interesting distinction. The Elacs have the full spectrum of sound, but the Klipsch feel a bit hollow in the midrange during AB testing (I suspect EQ could help this). For example, while AB testing I was listening to Johnny Cash Solitary Man, Johnny’s vocals sounded artificially low on the Klipsch compared to the Elacs and Tom Petty’s harmonies sounded thinner and more shrill. The Klipsch also feel like someone turned up the reverb. I heard one reviewer compare different speakers saying using one is like listening to the music while the other is listening to the speaker, which in my experience applies here. If I were to sum up their differences, I would say listening to the Elac’s is like listening in close quarters in the same room as the performer, where the Klipsch feel like in in a concert listening through a good PA system. Both are great, just depends on whether you want to have an up close and personal (and accurate) experience with your music or if you want to relive your last concert. Honestly, you really can’t go wrong with either.
Great review Sir. I was torn between these speakers. They are both EXCELLENT. I opted for the 600M-II and purchased them for $380 on Black Friday. I paired them with an Onkyo NR7100 and Klipsch SW12 Subwoofer. Let me tell you this. They are FABULOUS! I have ZERO regrets and I’m sure that I’d feel the same had I purchased the AWESOME offering from Elac. They are both EXCELLENT choices!
For sure, thanks for the positive feedback. Also Love the attitude, it seems like most people on the internet think everything must go one way or the other and can't appreciate when both options are good and it sometimes is just about preference that decides one way or the other.
Thanks for the excellent review. I have the Elacs in a fairly large room and I'm blown away by the sound stage given their size. I think they're a really good bookshelf speaker for the money.
Perfect work. This two models are two entry level most obvious candidates, and such detailed comparison should be a must for each serious audio channel. It's very valuable and needed comparison for anyone who is looking for this segment grear. It is a shame that there is lack of such comparison in other channels and media. Robinson spent few seconds for such comparison which was joke. For Randy this comparison should be obvious to perform, but there is none. On other channels also. So at the moment this "small" channel did something what larger ones were not able, despite this should be first thing to do for each. Very good work and very interesting conclusions. Tanks for your great work :) like and sub well earned :)
good comparison, thanks. I'm not using headphones, just my Bose computer speakers and I could clearly hear the difference. Elac was definitely more "vague", with less energy, Klipsch much more bright. No surprise really Klipsch has always been known for brightness. You would have to hear them in person to decide which you like best.
ELAC SOUNDS MORE NATURAL AND BALANCED KLIPSCH ARE HIGHLY DIRECTIONAL SOUNDING 2 BRIGHT TOEING THEM OUT OR SIMPLY TONE DOWN THE TREBLE WOULD MAKE FOR AN INTERESTING COMPARISON
I was able to grab the 600's a few months ago on a flash deal, brand new from BH Photo for $299.00!!! So for my budget style system in a small room 10'x9' are perfect for myself. WiiM Ultra-fosi V3 monos- 600's and no sub (yet). Strictly music and mostly lower volumes (80% of the time) for reading and relaxing.
I think you might like the Elacs better unless you have a very large room and the speakers are more that 1.5ft from the wall, then you just need towers and or a sub.
Appreciate the sound demos, very useful to listen the comparison between different speakers to be more sure at which one to buy. I don't know if you have listened the Elac DBR62, im thinking of it as an option aswell, if you tried it would you say it's worth it to go for that instead of the Debut 3.0?
I’m also interested in dbr62 (not db62). I hear dbr62 has better bass response but may sound brighter. I also want to know the image of dbr62. To me db63 done a great job of full spectrum natural sound but imaging is something can be upgraded.
@@AV-Obsessed Thank you, im thinking of expending around 400-500, i listen to a wide variety of genres like edm, pop, metal, rock etc which bookshelf speaker do you recommend in this price range? it would be to listen in a small bedroom at my pc desktop nearfield if that helps.
I like using powered speakers on a desktop, I have been using HiVi Swan M200 for years and they sound great. I got mine on amazon but it looks like they are no longer available there just aliexpress. Best Buy has the Edifier S1000 which is their competitor model and is supposed to be equally good.
Great review and comparisons. I like Klipsch sounds but can be fatiguing at times. They can make others speakers sound flat and boring. I tow them out, ie straight out, and I find their sound stage good and they disappear. Tow them in and I find them too bright.
The thing about by wiring or having two separate connections for both upper frequencies and lower frequencies IS AN ABSOLUTE EXTRA BONUS.. IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS YOU CANNOT GET WITH THE OTHER SPEAKER.. BOSE SPEAKERS COME IN PAIRS IN ONE BOX. JUST THINK ON IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND REMEMBER BE PATIENT AND YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND BOTTOM DOLLAR PRICE
As you mentioned, the ELACs surrounds you but it isn't as precise in placement whereas the Klipsch is more precise in placement of the vocals and instrumentals.
@@MasterofPlay7 I notice this when there is a lot going on in a song, especially one that relies on midrange. When it’s just guitar & bass they sound pretty good.
Sound demos separate you from other channels. You could do 1 review video and separate video of the sound demos linked. I have both of these speakers and the Elacs gives me an experience I do not get from the Klipsch..which I like too. Common Blue by Warpaint is a good test track for me bc the instruments are recorded really forward, great bass, drums and has dreamy female vocals.
Not that I need a direct comparison but what are your immediate thoughts on the new Kef Concerto vs the Klipsch 600 ii? Concerto grabbing a lot of attention, but for myself it would be a $1,300 or so upgrade, unless I sold the Klipsch.
Yeah, the Concerto is in a whole different league with deeper and better bass much more clarity in the mids and more natural highs, also with better imaging. The concerto is a great speaker but yes is much more expensive.
I hear more sounds with Elac....in the sound comparison....Elac are always best product for price. I have DBR62 and also Carina BS243.4 but I'm waiting to use It in the house where I will go living.
Would you have any interest in doing a GR Research upgrade kit to any of your speakers? It’s a fun process with good rewards. And I think it would make for fantastic content. Thanks!
I would for sure be into doing that, I have watched quite a few of his videos and the way he is able to fix the frequency response of some of these speakers is amazing.
@ I think this would be great for your channel. If your not far from Texas you could send him any one of your speakers. He will measure and correct free of charge providing you buy the new parts from him 👍🏻
Carbon fiber is not the same as aramid fiber. Aramid fiber is cheaper and far less stiff, and so bass frequencies tend to feel much slower than they would through a carbon fiber driver.
That is a crazy sale price, I had those for review a few months ago and liked them better than the Klipsch but I am not sure if I would like them better than the Elacs but at that price grab them!
You must be announced that the eclipse 600m Mark II. Kicks all kinds of a s s s s s s s s. And the Klipsch 66012 have lowered much in price since over the last 2 years.. I'm always look for the bottom dollar price. Be patient it will happen. Personally spent almost 10 grand I'm just the speaker gear in my setup add sweet spot that 13.2 surround sound setup on experiencing that that's all you'll ever need it's the end game. You'll never need to change speakers out ever again. There are very little differences between these two speakers and ultimately it's up to personal preference
I have both. I can confirm most of these observations, but I think room plays a bigger role than many realize. I have mine in a fairly small room and have a been happy with both. For example, both are able to throw sound effects out to my side when watching movies, although I think the Elac does a slightly better job of this. I do get a decent phantom channel run my Elacs, but it is a little more distinct from the Klipsch. In my observation, the Elacs do create the described large soundstage at the front plane of the speakers, but do throw sound from movies beyond that plane. The Klipsch sound like the sound is coming from a couple feet in front of the speakers (I’m guessing that’s the horns at work) and are also capable of 3D effects. Tonality, there is a really interesting distinction. The Elacs have the full spectrum of sound, but the Klipsch feel a bit hollow in the midrange during AB testing (I suspect EQ could help this). For example, while AB testing I was listening to Johnny Cash Solitary Man, Johnny’s vocals sounded artificially low on the Klipsch compared to the Elacs and Tom Petty’s harmonies sounded thinner and more shrill. The Klipsch also feel like someone turned up the reverb. I heard one reviewer compare different speakers saying using one is like listening to the music while the other is listening to the speaker, which in my experience applies here. If I were to sum up their differences, I would say listening to the Elac’s is like listening in close quarters in the same room as the performer, where the Klipsch feel like in in a concert listening through a good PA system. Both are great, just depends on whether you want to have an up close and personal (and accurate) experience with your music or if you want to relive your last concert. Honestly, you really can’t go wrong with either.
It really depends on your amp
You kept your promise in comparing these. Thank you!!
Great review Sir. I was torn between these speakers. They are both EXCELLENT. I opted for the 600M-II and purchased them for $380 on Black Friday. I paired them with an Onkyo NR7100 and Klipsch SW12 Subwoofer. Let me tell you this. They are FABULOUS! I have ZERO regrets and I’m sure that I’d feel the same had I purchased the AWESOME offering from Elac. They are both EXCELLENT choices!
For sure, thanks for the positive feedback. Also Love the attitude, it seems like most people on the internet think everything must go one way or the other and can't appreciate when both options are good and it sometimes is just about preference that decides one way or the other.
I have just purchased the Klipsch and they are still in the break in phase . I like them very much !
Thanks for the excellent review. I have the Elacs in a fairly large room and I'm blown away by the sound stage given their size. I think they're a really good bookshelf speaker for the money.
Perfect work. This two models are two entry level most obvious candidates, and such detailed comparison should be a must for each serious audio channel. It's very valuable and needed comparison for anyone who is looking for this segment grear.
It is a shame that there is lack of such comparison in other channels and media. Robinson spent few seconds for such comparison which was joke. For Randy this comparison should be obvious to perform, but there is none. On other channels also. So at the moment this "small" channel did something what larger ones were not able, despite this should be first thing to do for each.
Very good work and very interesting conclusions. Tanks for your great work :) like and sub well earned :)
good comparison, thanks. I'm not using headphones, just my Bose computer speakers and I could clearly hear the difference. Elac was definitely more "vague", with less energy, Klipsch much more bright. No surprise really Klipsch has always been known for brightness. You would have to hear them in person to decide which you like best.
ELAC SOUNDS MORE NATURAL AND BALANCED KLIPSCH ARE HIGHLY DIRECTIONAL SOUNDING 2 BRIGHT TOEING THEM OUT OR SIMPLY TONE DOWN THE TREBLE WOULD MAKE FOR AN INTERESTING COMPARISON
I have both, and I prefer the elac.
I was able to grab the 600's a few months ago on a flash deal, brand new from BH Photo for $299.00!!! So for my budget style system in a small room 10'x9' are perfect for myself. WiiM Ultra-fosi V3 monos- 600's and no sub (yet). Strictly music and mostly lower volumes (80% of the time) for reading and relaxing.
Polk R200 is the budget king in my opinion.
I really would like to check those out but they've been out for years and the video probably wouldn't do that well.
Irony: 20 years ago, you'd be describing $4,000 a pair speakers. Not kidding.
Klipsch RP 600 with the Reisong A10 tube amp is a match
Bought the klipsch last week for 450 and returned them. Sound crisp and good just no low end. Kinda regret taking them back though
I use a Yamaha sub with a 150W per channel Old Pioneer Amplifier with them and they sound Amazing. I think all bookshelf should be coupled with a Sub.
I think you might like the Elacs better unless you have a very large room and the speakers are more that 1.5ft from the wall, then you just need towers and or a sub.
Appreciate the sound demos, very useful to listen the comparison between different speakers to be more sure at which one to buy. I don't know if you have listened the Elac DBR62, im thinking of it as an option aswell, if you tried it would you say it's worth it to go for that instead of the Debut 3.0?
It just depends on the price, the DB62 is not as good of a speaker in my opinion, that front ported design seems like the bass is just not there.
@@AV-Obsessed In my country elac dbr62 and db63 cost the same. Which are the better buys. Which ones would go better with the denon 3800h?
I’m also interested in dbr62 (not db62). I hear dbr62 has better bass response but may sound brighter. I also want to know the image of dbr62. To me db63 done a great job of full spectrum natural sound but imaging is something can be upgraded.
@@AV-Obsessed Thank you, im thinking of expending around 400-500, i listen to a wide variety of genres like edm, pop, metal, rock etc which bookshelf speaker do you recommend in this price range? it would be to listen in a small bedroom at my pc desktop nearfield if that helps.
I like using powered speakers on a desktop, I have been using HiVi Swan M200 for years and they sound great. I got mine on amazon but it looks like they are no longer available there just aliexpress. Best Buy has the Edifier S1000 which is their competitor model and is supposed to be equally good.
Great review and comparisons. I like Klipsch sounds but can be fatiguing at times. They can make others speakers sound flat and boring. I tow them out, ie straight out, and I find their sound stage good and they disappear. Tow them in and I find them too bright.
The thing about by wiring or having two separate connections for both upper frequencies and lower frequencies IS AN ABSOLUTE EXTRA BONUS.. IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS YOU CANNOT GET WITH THE OTHER SPEAKER.. BOSE SPEAKERS COME IN PAIRS IN ONE BOX. JUST THINK ON IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND REMEMBER BE PATIENT AND YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND BOTTOM DOLLAR PRICE
As you mentioned, the ELACs surrounds you but it isn't as precise in placement whereas the Klipsch is more precise in placement of the vocals and instrumentals.
Do you have both?
How do you know? I feel klipsch is muddy on instruments placement as well
@@MasterofPlay7 I notice this when there is a lot going on in a song, especially one that relies on midrange. When it’s just guitar & bass they sound pretty good.
Sound demos separate you from other channels. You could do 1 review video and separate video of the sound demos linked. I have both of these speakers and the Elacs gives me an experience I do not get from the Klipsch..which I like too.
Common Blue by Warpaint is a good test track for me bc the instruments are recorded really forward, great bass, drums and has dreamy female vocals.
Not that I need a direct comparison but what are your immediate thoughts on the new Kef Concerto vs the Klipsch 600 ii? Concerto grabbing a lot of attention, but for myself it would be a $1,300 or so upgrade, unless I sold the Klipsch.
Yeah, the Concerto is in a whole different league with deeper and better bass much more clarity in the mids and more natural highs, also with better imaging. The concerto is a great speaker but yes is much more expensive.
In my country elac dbr62 and db63 cost the same. Which are the better buys. Which ones would go better with the denon 3800h?
If they are the same price defiantly go for the DB63.
@@AV-Obsessed Thank you very much. 😀
Also for 80$ more than elac db63 I can buy dali oberon 3 and focal theva no1. Are they better buy?
So can we use the ELACS as mains in home theater crossed over at 80 Hz
Fore sure, I'd actually probably go to 60hz even.
The Elacs do image well with the big soundstage... hmmm
@@worfrozhenko4032 He mentioned it lacks center stage
I thought you were an angel because of the wings at your back.
Which speaker stands are those?
I made these stand in my garage out of solid oak.
ELAC all the way. Except for center image. Home theater? Can they hit 105 dbs??? Without distortion?
As long as they are crossed over at least at 60hz they should be able to handle short durations at 105db but full range they distort at 90db.
I hear more sounds with Elac....in the sound comparison....Elac are always best product for price. I have DBR62 and also Carina BS243.4 but I'm waiting to use It in the house where I will go living.
Cerwin-Vega LA165 ftw
Klipsch
Would you have any interest in doing a GR Research upgrade kit to any of your speakers? It’s a fun process with good rewards. And I think it would make for fantastic content. Thanks!
I would for sure be into doing that, I have watched quite a few of his videos and the way he is able to fix the frequency response of some of these speakers is amazing.
@ I think this would be great for your channel. If your not far from Texas you could send him any one of your speakers. He will measure and correct free of charge providing you buy the new parts from him 👍🏻
I have the 600 m1, and I lined the inside of the cabinet with automotive sound deadening, and then acoustic foam. Really made a big difference.
Everything he touches is bad 😅
@ no I just think everything he touches is made better
I'd say get both but don't listen to me I have a small problem with audio addiction.😂
Me too, we should start an AV-Obsessed support group.
Heads up Upscale Audio has a brand from France called Cabasse. You NEED to get the Minorca MC40. It is awesome!
why not simply buy the polk r200 over these?
I may have to check those out even though the video won't perform very wall.
@AV-Obsessed Please do so, you will be pleasantly surprised.
Carbon fiber is not the same as aramid fiber. Aramid fiber is cheaper and far less stiff, and so bass frequencies tend to feel much slower than they would through a carbon fiber driver.
The jbl 630s when on sale at 330 are the best deal far better than the klipsch have not heard the elacs , just my measley opinion .
That is a crazy sale price, I had those for review a few months ago and liked them better than the Klipsch but I am not sure if I would like them better than the Elacs but at that price grab them!
You can tell the klipsch is to bright , just not for me. Elac all the way
What a waffle
Not sure what you mean?
You must be announced that the eclipse 600m Mark II. Kicks all kinds of a s s s s s s s s. And the Klipsch 66012 have lowered much in price since over the last 2 years.. I'm always look for the bottom dollar price. Be patient it will happen. Personally spent almost 10 grand I'm just the speaker gear in my setup add sweet spot that 13.2 surround sound setup on experiencing that that's all you'll ever need it's the end game. You'll never need to change speakers out ever again. There are very little differences between these two speakers and ultimately it's up to personal preference