While it’s a shame we didn’t get to see every incarnation doing the scene, having it every ten years feels extra special. It also reiterates that Hartnell isn’t looking at any one doctor here, it’s just the show’s ongoing legacy and future since then
I totally think they should just have every current doctor do the scene and all scenes be available on the Doctor Who website or something for people to look back on all the alternate takes
I thought I read somewhere 10 years ago that this was entirely the point of filming the original the way they did instead of having Matt Smith physically on set. As an American, I'm not sure I have access to the updated version, but hopefully each version gets preserved as these clips by themselves tell the story of Doctor Who.
Really bums me out that we haven't seen every Doctor since Matt do it, unless they have and its never been seen. I mean hell, Imagine if they got David Bradley to do one as well for his few episodes he appeared in, the scene would've been David Bradley playing William Hartnell playing The Doctor looking over at David Bradley playing William Hartnell's version of the Doctor 😂
@@thewholook He's only been in one episode and what would be the point of him looking over at himself? The whole point of the scene is for the first Doctor to be looking to the future. Having him look to himself would completly change the meaning from an optimistic view of the future to "I never should been recast, nothing after Hartnel is canon anymore."
@@RialVestro he's appeared in 3 overall, 1 as a cameo, 1 as a starring and 1 as a guest, 2 with Capaldi, 1 with Jodie, but I meant it more as a joke that it would be funny, not being serious about having him look at himself
Dude, this isn’t replacing history? It’s updating it so that the message stands the rest of time, which is what the Director, Mark Gatiss wanted to happen
@@TheZebbga The official Doctor Who TH-cam channel has both available. The DVD and BluRay releases they made back them also have Matt Smith. Only the newer ones will have Ncuti Gatwa.
I had no problem with them put it in the 15th doctor but I had far less emotional impact because we've not seen him on screen yet or had the time in with him like we did with Matt when the original version came out especially since in that case he was about to vacate the role and we all knew it was about to happen much like when William Hartnell is about to regenerate in that scene. My biggest problem with the new edit of this film is that because of the rights issues tied up in court over unearthly child more than 15 minutes for trimmed out of the film. I wish they would have waited to do this and instead put David Tennant in that spot during the 60th anniversary which would have made a lot more emotional sense since in a way David Tennant was sort of parking that doctor and about to regenerate. I don't want to say that the 60th anniversary was quite a train wreck but nearly so certainly a derailment
I don’t really mind it even though this was part of the BBC exclusive part of the anniversary celebration that international fans like me didn’t get to see which is why I say for international fans the anniversary celebration was lackluster due to so much of it being bbc exclusive even though I know it’s a British show first it just feels like we are being overlooked
It's unfortunate timing that it occured before Ncuti even has a season under his belt. When Matt appeared in that scene he had already been the Doctor for three years. Any casual viewer watching that could be forgiven for thinking "who the hell is that guy?" Alternatively would you want to have Jodie? No, clearly not, since her tenure was one of a downhill trend in the show's popularity. On the whole then, I think the change was a misstep. This was not a good time to have a 60th anniversary, but you can't choose when to have an anniversary because calendars and maths don't lie, but whilst the future looks so uncertain Doctor Who is in no position to be self-congratulatory at the present time.
They stuck Capaldi's eyebrows into the Day of the Doctor for like 2 seconds and the entire fandom went nuts. I don't think there'd be a problem with any viewer being confused about who it was.
@@chinareds54 The message of the eyebrows was not "do not worry; the legacy is in safe hands" and the imagery can only symbolise "safe hands" if the icon has already proven themselves to be "safe hands".
Well, it just... Have sense. I don't know why some people got angry. That is not the Matt scene, is the first and last Doctors scene, basically a template.
Havent watched the video yet but that side by side comparison leaves me to the question of why is ncutis version off compared to matts version. Mat looks like hes part of the scene whereas ncuti looks like hes been badly photoshopped into it lol
I think it's insulting how they want to erase William Hartnell as the First Doctor and yet they have no problem exploiting him and his era when ever it fits their needs.
Yeah it was a shame but from what I understand it was all because of the rights issue for the episode vs BBC so they took it out this time, I imagine if it ever gets sorted we'll see the full version again
What I'd like to see done with this scene is a transition from the first doctor to all his subsequent incarnations, and they just add the current doctor to the end each time. Probably too expensive for the BBC, though.
Yes the background is reused, but edited, it’s Ncutis scene that was new footage in front of a green screen, both Matt and Ncuti filmed it on green screens though so there are technically 3 versions of this scene, I’d quite like to see the original without any doctor doing it, the one where Gatiss is a stand in, but I don’t think there’s footage (that I’m aware of)
I don't like revisionism when it comes to films. Sure streaming allows companies to edit films as they like then easily swap them out, but I'd rather see the original. If I wanted to see an altered version, I'd want it listed separately. Like how director's cuts are listed separately.
Personally I found it lazy, with a hint of arrogance - pretty much Gatiss in a nutshell. I don't think spinning up a new documentary every 10 years is too much to ask from a company we in the Uk are enforced by the police to pay for. Saying that, it'll be a minor miracle if it's still going in another decade the way the ratings are going.
I think it just makes me think too much about the endless fiddling with Star Wars by George Lucas. I know there wouldn't have been the money for it but I would have preferred a new drama about a different era of the show with Ncuti making an appearance maybe looking at someone playing Tom Baker as he prepared to leave.
It was already planned to swap out Matt Smith for future Doctors? Well, that's alright then. Seriously, I have no issue with it if that was the plan from the start.
@@LETZZPLAY Why would they purposefully drag out a piece of media made a decade ago just to edit over the actor who appeared in an effort to "modern day" it? Why isn't Gatwa worthy of his own material instead of them trying to rewrite a piece from the past? It's bigotry.
@@stonebaxter they “dragged” it out because it was the 60th anniversary and the scene is supposed to be the first Doctor/William Hartnall looking onto the future of Doctor Who and that wouldn’t make sense if they just reused Matt smith because he had been gone for a decade they’ll do the same if we ever get to the 70th anniversary
On the contrary, it seems to me that this scene is meaningless... I mean, after "Timeless Child," does this scene make any sense? The original meaning was that the case of William Hartnell and those who started the Series are still continuing and he is the 1st doctor/William Hartell was looking at a bright future... And now it's just an attempt to use nostalgia as a prostitute once again! The future has become darker... Hahahaha... Sorry! But it's not my fault that you guys are being used to promote movies! It's right to say that the current filmmakers can't show something without spoiling something else... Do you remember the Rose? What this character feels, and in real life the actor playing him, is really interesting!!! What does he feel? Why did he do this to himself? What made him make this choice? Why didn't he/she go all the way? Can you show me his thoughts on this? No!!! You can just mourn David Tennant's "Male Presenting time lord"... And so it will go on and on... First they threw out William Hartnell as the first doctor, replacing him with Joe Martin, and after that with some other black girl... Then they replaced Matt Smith in the DOCUMENTARY!!! Then they will replace all doctors with women and blacks... they will rewrite history, and they will insult everyone with "Male Presenting time lord"... But they definitely won't replace us!
Please don’t let this be one of those “fan” channels that’s moans about everything new in the fandom. Had to unsubscribe from so many Star Wars channels because they seem to love hating it more than enjoying it.
Nope no moaning. Just explaining what the point in the change is, lots of people complaining about it since airing so trying to say it was made to be changed like this 🙂
Because Matt isnt the Doctor anymore and its actually much better with Ncuti in it. I might actually watch it again and just ignore David’s bad portrayal of Hartnell just to see Ncuti
While it’s a shame we didn’t get to see every incarnation doing the scene, having it every ten years feels extra special. It also reiterates that Hartnell isn’t looking at any one doctor here, it’s just the show’s ongoing legacy and future since then
That’s actually some clever forward thinking. But realising Matt Smith was 10 years ago hurts.
In my head I still think Capaldi only recently left but it’s been 6 years!
I feel old
Yes, I miss Matt Smith's Doctor Who a lot. He was the best.
least ncutis actually standing behind the console this time lol
and with pants on
Lol@@rogerradue2352
Its good forward thinking, but they really should have kept matt in. We dont get enough of him these days.
As long as they include the previous scenes in the Extras then I love it.
I totally think they should just have every current doctor do the scene and all scenes be available on the Doctor Who website or something for people to look back on all the alternate takes
I thought I read somewhere 10 years ago that this was entirely the point of filming the original the way they did instead of having Matt Smith physically on set. As an American, I'm not sure I have access to the updated version, but hopefully each version gets preserved as these clips by themselves tell the story of Doctor Who.
It makes sense to update the scene with every new actor that plays the Doctor. It shows Dr Who's constant growth
Really bums me out that we haven't seen every Doctor since Matt do it, unless they have and its never been seen.
I mean hell, Imagine if they got David Bradley to do one as well for his few episodes he appeared in, the scene would've been David Bradley playing William Hartnell playing The Doctor looking over at David Bradley playing William Hartnell's version of the Doctor 😂
@@thewholook He's only been in one episode and what would be the point of him looking over at himself? The whole point of the scene is for the first Doctor to be looking to the future. Having him look to himself would completly change the meaning from an optimistic view of the future to "I never should been recast, nothing after Hartnel is canon anymore."
@@RialVestro he's appeared in 3 overall, 1 as a cameo, 1 as a starring and 1 as a guest, 2 with Capaldi, 1 with Jodie, but I meant it more as a joke that it would be funny, not being serious about having him look at himself
Depends on if they still make the original available. I don't like the idea of this replacing history but it is admittedly a cool detail.
Dude, this isn’t replacing history? It’s updating it so that the message stands the rest of time, which is what the Director, Mark Gatiss wanted to happen
@@gagedsm As long as the original is available, I am cool with it
@@TheZebbga The official Doctor Who TH-cam channel has both available. The DVD and BluRay releases they made back them also have Matt Smith. Only the newer ones will have Ncuti Gatwa.
It's Matt Smith's scene regardless of how they did it from a technical standpoint. He should not have been replaced.
It's like the end of "Return of the Jedi" where they replace Old Anakin with Young Anakin.
So?
No its not mate
Technically it should've been 14 Tennant as he was the incumbent by the 23rd November 2023.
This would have made a lot more sense considering he had just become the Doctor again and his 3 specials were about to air
I wish they'd air it with random doctors at the end
That would be really cool, but alas, they only filmed the shot for two of them
So far
@@tarnsanders259 Paul McGann would hop on set in a heartbeat😫
I mean...considering they had Matt Smith clipping into the foreground in the original cut, the scene needed to be reworked anyway.
I had no problem with them put it in the 15th doctor but I had far less emotional impact because we've not seen him on screen yet or had the time in with him like we did with Matt when the original version came out especially since in that case he was about to vacate the role and we all knew it was about to happen much like when William Hartnell is about to regenerate in that scene. My biggest problem with the new edit of this film is that because of the rights issues tied up in court over unearthly child more than 15 minutes for trimmed out of the film. I wish they would have waited to do this and instead put David Tennant in that spot during the 60th anniversary which would have made a lot more emotional sense since in a way David Tennant was sort of parking that doctor and about to regenerate. I don't want to say that the 60th anniversary was quite a train wreck but nearly so certainly a derailment
Well i just checked my dvd and its still Matt Smith. I also checked my star wars dvds and they still havent updated. Which is just the way I like it.
I don’t really mind it even though this was part of the BBC exclusive part of the anniversary celebration that international fans like me didn’t get to see which is why I say for international fans the anniversary celebration was lackluster due to so much of it being bbc exclusive even though I know it’s a British show first it just feels like we are being overlooked
It's unfortunate timing that it occured before Ncuti even has a season under his belt. When Matt appeared in that scene he had already been the Doctor for three years. Any casual viewer watching that could be forgiven for thinking "who the hell is that guy?"
Alternatively would you want to have Jodie? No, clearly not, since her tenure was one of a downhill trend in the show's popularity. On the whole then, I think the change was a misstep. This was not a good time to have a 60th anniversary, but you can't choose when to have an anniversary because calendars and maths don't lie, but whilst the future looks so uncertain Doctor Who is in no position to be self-congratulatory at the present time.
They stuck Capaldi's eyebrows into the Day of the Doctor for like 2 seconds and the entire fandom went nuts. I don't think there'd be a problem with any viewer being confused about who it was.
@@chinareds54
The message of the eyebrows was not "do not worry; the legacy is in safe hands" and the imagery can only symbolise "safe hands" if the icon has already proven themselves to be "safe hands".
Very good and informative video, enjoy the one thousandth sub!
Thanks so much! I just can’t believe the channel has hit 1k, it’s not something I expected to happen 😯
Well, it just... Have sense. I don't know why some people got angry. That is not the Matt scene, is the first and last Doctors scene, basically a template.
also they removed any reference to the unearhtly child and shortened the film by about 10 mins
Understandable because BBC rights dispute with the episode, hopefully it gets sorted one day 🤞
A brilliant moment and an insight into how far the show has come.
Havent watched the video yet but that side by side comparison leaves me to the question of why is ncutis version off compared to matts version. Mat looks like hes part of the scene whereas ncuti looks like hes been badly photoshopped into it lol
At the time of release in Australia it was peter capaldi
No it wasn't.
David should have done this scene
I think it's insulting how they want to erase William Hartnell as the First Doctor
and yet they have no problem exploiting him and his era when ever it fits their needs.
What do you mean they want to erase him?
Just because he's no longer technically the first incarnation of The Doctor doesn't mean they're erasing him.
They added it because they said they would every anniversary
Cheap. They have to ape off other people's work. Par the course for the current DW crowd.
they also had to edit the special to remove an unearthly child.
It's sad that Matt was replaced as such a good Doctor. They should have kept it
But it’s not his moment though
my only issue with the re-release is that they removed content about an unearthly child
Yeah it was a shame but from what I understand it was all because of the rights issue for the episode vs BBC so they took it out this time, I imagine if it ever gets sorted we'll see the full version again
@@thewholook yeah I totally understand why it happened legally, I just wish things like that didn’t happen
Mark gatiss didn't direct it he wrote it, Terry McDonough was the director
I know, I said he was the writer in the video. Think you may have misheard me when I was speaking about Mark 🙂
What I'd like to see done with this scene is a transition from the first doctor to all his subsequent incarnations, and they just add the current doctor to the end each time. Probably too expensive for the BBC, though.
Answer: Because time can be re-written ...next!
I didn't know that George Lucas rereleased this movie.
1:03 this isn’t new footage this is reused footage
Yes the background is reused, but edited, it’s Ncutis scene that was new footage in front of a green screen, both Matt and Ncuti filmed it on green screens though so there are technically 3 versions of this scene, I’d quite like to see the original without any doctor doing it, the one where Gatiss is a stand in, but I don’t think there’s footage (that I’m aware of)
I don't like revisionism when it comes to films. Sure streaming allows companies to edit films as they like then easily swap them out, but I'd rather see the original. If I wanted to see an altered version, I'd want it listed separately. Like how director's cuts are listed separately.
Very good point.
As long as they don't have Darth Vader going, "NOOOOOOO!" I'm good.
Compare the two scenes. I always loved the emotion on Matt's face being part of this encounter, Ncuti didn't recapture the same thing.
Well, Matt is the better actor by far.
Make sense to replace with the latest Doctor, shows how far the show has come!
Why not, whats the problem?
Personally I found it lazy, with a hint of arrogance - pretty much Gatiss in a nutshell. I don't think spinning up a new documentary every 10 years is too much to ask from a company we in the Uk are enforced by the police to pay for. Saying that, it'll be a minor miracle if it's still going in another decade the way the ratings are going.
At least he wasn’t replaced by Hayden Christensen some thirty years later.
They've said the would do that in 2013. They did. Like others said it makes sense.
I think it just makes me think too much about the endless fiddling with Star Wars by George Lucas. I know there wouldn't have been the money for it but I would have preferred a new drama about a different era of the show with Ncuti making an appearance maybe looking at someone playing Tom Baker as he prepared to leave.
The next version will cut back to the first Doctor after he sees his replacement, and there'll be an overdub of Hartnell screaming "Nooooooooooo!"
Or David Tenant stood next to the new Doctor grinning@@calebfuller4713
i think it's cool to see Ncuti in that scene
Really the only celebrating rtd did with the 60th was changing that scene
It was already planned to swap out Matt Smith for future Doctors? Well, that's alright then. Seriously, I have no issue with it if that was the plan from the start.
I approve, if only because i recently watched it and i was like WAIT WHAT? CHUTI?
It would've been cool if they left matt smith and just added 15 to it.
They better fix the timeless child stuff before the next one
Fix it how?
*Matrix Explained music plays*
Because there’s a new doctor in the Tardis baby
If they keep replacing every ten years I am ok 😊
Just to update the ongoing legacy.
Add, don't take away.
I think that the original should’ve been kept but whatevs
Wish they did this for every new Doctor even if it's cheap
It is quite intriguing to hypothesize how each actor would have done this scene slightly differently post and pre matt smith
Matt Smith is better, he's the real doctor.
Just leave it the way it was.
Why? Because they're trying to shove that new flavor down our throats.
I'll pass.
Cheapness and revisionist history. That's why they replaced Smith. Got to force that agenda.
Even if the current Doctor had been white they would of changed Matt smith anyway they literally stated this 10 fucking years ago 😂
@@LETZZPLAYThis was made 10yrs ago. They didn't put Capaldi or Jodie in there. This forced revisionism is pure bigotry. Anything else is an excuse.
@@stonebaxter why would they put two other Doctors who have already gone? Makes no sense especially with the Context of the scene
@@LETZZPLAY Why would they purposefully drag out a piece of media made a decade ago just to edit over the actor who appeared in an effort to "modern day" it? Why isn't Gatwa worthy of his own material instead of them trying to rewrite a piece from the past? It's bigotry.
@@stonebaxter they “dragged” it out because it was the 60th anniversary and the scene is supposed to be the first Doctor/William Hartnall looking onto the future of Doctor Who and that wouldn’t make sense if they just reused Matt smith because he had been gone for a decade they’ll do the same if we ever get to the 70th anniversary
Shouldn’t have been changed
On the contrary, it seems to me that this scene is meaningless... I mean, after "Timeless Child," does this scene make any sense? The original meaning was that the case of William Hartnell and those who started the Series are still continuing and he is the 1st doctor/William Hartell was looking at a bright future... And now it's just an attempt to use nostalgia as a prostitute once again! The future has become darker... Hahahaha... Sorry! But it's not my fault that you guys are being used to promote movies! It's right to say that the current filmmakers can't show something without spoiling something else... Do you remember the Rose? What this character feels, and in real life the actor playing him, is really interesting!!! What does he feel? Why did he do this to himself? What made him make this choice? Why didn't he/she go all the way? Can you show me his thoughts on this? No!!! You can just mourn David Tennant's "Male Presenting time lord"... And so it will go on and on... First they threw out William Hartnell as the first doctor, replacing him with Joe Martin, and after that with some other black girl... Then they replaced Matt Smith in the DOCUMENTARY!!! Then they will replace all doctors with women and blacks... they will rewrite history, and they will insult everyone with "Male Presenting time lord"... But they definitely won't replace us!
Please don’t let this be one of those “fan” channels that’s moans about everything new in the fandom.
Had to unsubscribe from so many Star Wars channels because they seem to love hating it more than enjoying it.
Nope no moaning. Just explaining what the point in the change is, lots of people complaining about it since airing so trying to say it was made to be changed like this 🙂
It's a nice change of pace and I'm glad
I've so tired of arguing with idiots who don't know what a kilt is
Dumb
Because Matt isnt the Doctor anymore and its actually much better with Ncuti in it. I might actually watch it again and just ignore David’s bad portrayal of Hartnell just to see Ncuti