Both of them provided their Doctors with what they needed at those points. For Nine and Ten it was Rose giving them the humanity they needed to fully cope, for Eleven and Twelve it was River allowing them to almost turn away from the Humanity that caused them so much pain before.
@@Y2JAZZ1 I agree with u. We can't honestly expect his human companions to cope so well with his transformations even tho the same man was always still in there at some point. River goes through the same things and literally adapts in every way naturally and in turn had it so much easier to accept him in every form. We humans only get one life, and one physical image and our eyes have a HUGE roll in who we choose and see when it comes to love, so changing ur lovers or anyone's face, (to a human), is such a drastic change and would take so much more time to get use to and get our brain and heart to realize it's the same person we actually know and love. If this makes any sense 😆
Both are great but this isn't true. Rewatch the episode where River meets 10, she never truly accepts him as her doctor. She questioned 10 more than Rose ever did, which isn't her fault but my point is she didn't accept all his transformations as her own doctor.
"Hello, Sweetie." Maybe it's because of Peter Capaldi's age, maybe it's his delivery, but having him say that to Alex Kingston instead of Matt Smith or David Tennant just feels so damn perfect.
Both Kingston and Smith are amazing actors and I'm sure they had a great chemistry but I never managed to see them as lovers River with 12 though? Instant chemistry, it works so well
@giovannaargon9010 Despite him being ruder than most other doctors, I stand by the fact 12 was one of the most emotional and loving doctors. I'd go as far as to say "love" was the theme of his entire character.
“You don’t expect a sunset to admire you back” this line hit me so hard. Whoever wrote this nailed it. Also, Peter Capaldi nailed the smouldering look he gives when she realises he is the doctor. This episode was beautiful!
The Doctor /did/ love Rose, but he 'lost' her during his 10th incarnation during the Battle of Canary Wharf, and then following his aborted regeneration after the loss of his hand, the part of him that loved her ended up manifesting in the Meta-Crisis version of him, who spent the rest of his life with her in a parallel universe.
Elena Monfils it’s not that deep. You’re thinking too hard and are assuming a lot. Davies clearly intended him to be in love with her, as she was with him. This is further shown by the finale of s2 where he was clearly about to say he loved her. Then in s4, they kissed after he told her what he was going to say. It’s very clear that Davies wrote him to be, in the literal use of the term, in love with Rose. You’re really overthinking and are making up random headcanon, when its been shown and proven to be the opposite.
Him teasing her about the "roots of the sunset" and checking "with the stars themselves" and then grinning maniacally while she's flustered is so wholesome I can barely contain myself!
She was SO adamant in knowing the Doctor wasn't there, just to look to her left and be like: ....Oh... Oh. ....Oh. ....oh.... He heard ALL of that, didn't he...?
The look on her face when she realizes, when it really sinks in. Especially getting to hear him use one of her favorite lines, and she's near tears thinking he's not even around until then. Those two are actually great together, and I just wish they could have gotten many more adventures at this point in their lives.
3 reasons it took her so long to realize who he was: she thought he only had the 12 faces so she wasn't expecting a 13th new face. 2 she was not expecting him to show up and 3, she didn't bothering to look close enough at his eyes, eyes that multiple past companions have described as old, very old and ancient.
He's usually teasing her for her profession. While she digs up bones and reads books, he's actually there experiencing it. She mentioned to Amy that she hates ghost stories, because they always end up being about him.
What kills me the most about this scene is that not only has River absolutely convinced herself that the Doctor doesn't love her back, and she's accepted it....but also, how very wrong she is and the fact that Capaldi says a mere handful of words yet you can tell from the sheer emotion on his face that both of the Doctors hearts broke because He's ALWAYS loved her and the fact that she doesn't realize that hurts him...ugh THIS SCENE
Well I think it's also that the doctor just in general has a very hard time expressing his feelings to somebody. He has been harmed so much over his nearly immortal life that I feel like he feels putting himself out there just means he will inevitably get hurt and so by not saying his emotions he's able to deny it to himself. So even though the doctor does love her he never really expressed it before this very scene which I think is what led River to feel that he didn't love her since he would just brush the idea off or not talk about it.
True. I think it was the fact that their "marriage" was an attempt to save the world and he wasn't even himself at the time but a miniature within a robot replica. Then before demons run he didn't trust her and afterwards he kept coming back for her for what she might have percieved as a sense of guilt or obligation to care seeing how her "deformation" happened on his watch.
I wish we had so many more episodes with the Capaldi and Kingston. They made a great couple and had crazy good chemistry. 10 didn't know her, 11 found her intriguing, but with 12 we actually see him in love with her. We the audience needed more of this.
Eleven and River always felt a bit awkward, their age gap and personalities kind of clashed. But Twelve and River gel so well together, it’s clear this was the Doctor River was talking about in the Library. It’s a shame they only got one episode, but at least it was a good one.
@@theweirdofengland I mean to be fair they spent twenty four years together because of the night on Darillium so she had plenty of time with the Twelfth even if we didn't see it all
11 loved her but I think he just didn’t want to admit it, even to himself, because 11 always repressed his emotions largely bc of how having emotions burned him so hard in the previous 2 regenerations. Doesn’t mean the love wasn’t there.
"Assuming we have one night left, just how long is a night on derillium?" "24 years." "I hate you." "No, you don't." One of the best moments in the entirety of the show, in my opinion.
Because of this scene and so many other beautiful ones in this episode I consider it the unofficial finale of Doctor Who. It just ends and wraps everything up so perfectly.
"Hush, Mummy and Daddy are busy" Things like this are exactly why I love River, and exactly why I'm glad we got this episode. Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi play off each other so well.
We should see their 24 years on Darillium. Considering the Doctor and River get bored easily, they'd still find ways to get into trouble on their last night together.
@@tomnorton4277 Oh you know they went traveling during those 24 years, always coming back to Darillium in between their trips. I wouldn't be surprised if they fit a century or three into those years with their travels, just like 11 did before his picnic lunch at the lake with the three Ponds, and going to get shot by the younger River in the spacesuit. But eventually that night on Darillium did end.
But of course, she doesn't know he's the Doctor. Even though (AFAIK) she hadn't met any of the classic Doctors, if he'd been dressed like one of them, she might have suspected it sooner.
@@almostfm She may not have physically met them, but she had pictures of all his past incarnations. And the only one who really compared in terms of elegant clothing was William Hartnell's.
When you love the Doctor, it's like loving the stars themselves. You don't expect a sunset to admire you back." My god, that has to be one of the best lines ever written.
Accompanied by the fact that it is countermanded by 12 standing not 3 feet from her with his hearts somewhere around his ankles from hearing this. Then they zip right back up into orbit when he gets to repeat her lines back at her. That man is the measure by which all future Doctors will be judged. Granted, just about every modern Doctor has been amazing, but there's something to be said for being the most recent to knock it out of the park. Hopefully Jodie gets a writer worth a shit before she has to hang it up. I want to see how she'd do with a script worth the hard drive space it was saved in.
@@ember3579 seriously.. even with the absolute dumpster fire of writing she's been given, i can tell she could make an amazing doctor. i just hope she gets the chance to prove it.
"In love with"? No, the Doctor was never anything so crass as "in love with" River. He simply loved her - in the way that the sunset and the stars would do if they could.
"The Doctor does not and never has loved me. I'm not lying." "Confirmed. The lifeform is not lying." You can see and almost hear, his hearts breaking at that moment. Of course he loves you River, you idiot!!!
@@jeckjeck3119 OK, that's just too heart breaking to think about. Amy ran away from Rory, the Doctor ran away from River - but in the end they both ran towards their loves
Every husband that has said goodbye to a wife ponders in the last moments if she know how much this will hurt; and hope in the moments before saying good bye she really understands how much they are loved. But to hear that doubt, from time to time as marriages often do, cuts like no knife can. Capaldi I think understood that and in a single glance conveyed it perfectly.
As much as I love Matt smith and Alex Kensington together I would have killed to see a full season of her with capaldi. That hello sweetie might have been the most romantic moment ever filmed
Eleven’s chemistry with River is stellar, but Twelve’s chemistry with her is everything Edit: I'm impressed that this comment is still getting attention after 2 years 😀 I've been enjoying everyone's perspective on this!
@@choyna totally. People seem to prefer the whimsy of she and 11, but the way 12 looks at her in this moment, says it all. It's pure magic, whole love, and is real as fuck. 👑👑👑😌
Whoever wrote these lines for River Song is soooo good at their job. "When you love the Doctor, it's like loving the stars themselves! You don't expect the sunset to admire you back!" 😭❤️
The Doctor's face after the truth scan. It falls and my heart breaks for him. He loves River, that's obvious, but seeing that she doesn't believe it is gut wrenching. Amazing acting by Capaldi and Kingston.
@@urthboundmisfit I think he loves her way more then Rose. Rose was his first companion since the war I think he was just infatuated with her because she represented the good in humanity and everything the doctor was missing during the war. But he truely loves River
@@urthboundmisfit I definitely don't think he talked about Rose. Even Rose's name was a massive source of pain for the Doctor, and his 11th incarnation in particular was very, very good at avoiding deeper emotions.
@@TheKat12364 well tenth loved Rose the most, he even had her name made out of flowers in tardis garden. And you know, when doctor regenerates, he becomes a different person, so his feelings to others can change...
"Hush, Mummy and Daddy are talking" I love that. Almost as soon as River recognises Twelve as the Doctor, she takes it in her stride and continues on. A stark contrast from Clara's initial 'I don't see you as the Doctor despite you literally regenerating in front of me' thing. I think it's a nice subtle nod to just how different their relationships are.
blackvial Oh, I get that it would've been alarming for Clara. Also, River has the advantage of having experienced Regeneration first hand herself as well, but I still feel Clara's reaction to Twelve after regeneration went a little too far. I would be a little more lenient if she hadn't literally seen him regenerate in front of her, but she did, so...
I think the problem is that we the audience didn't get to see what Clara went through after the 11th Doctor's regeneration, remember regeneration can be a very dramatic experience for the Doctor, both the 5th and 6th Doctor had psychological breakdowns for example. From our point of view Clara had a wild ride with Doctor and that's it, kinda of hard to relate to her issues in that regard because that is something she should already be use to.
SirCraigius Yeah but Rose had no idea about regeneration before. It took him ages to even convince her that he wasn't just an alien that transmatted in his place. Clara had seen all his past faces and yet still held his new one against him.
Every now and then I feel the need to look up this scene and watch it again. It is that good. Kingston and Capaldi had such amazing chemistry. As much as I loved this special, and thought it wrapped up River and The Doctor's story nicely, I wish his run was longer, and that these two had more interactions. They are an absolute joy to watch together.
I watch this so often. I love how flirtatious 11 and River are, it's so playful. But 12 and River are it for me. This one episode, and 12 was HER doctor for me from that moment on.
@BowTiesAreCool The Doctor is making fun of how River said loving the Doctor is like loving the sunset or the stars themselves because they don't love you back
It's very sad that River honestly believed Doctor didn't love her, after everything they've been through together. I can see why she would think that - but still, it's very, very sad.
Bit late, I know. But you have to remember they keep meeting each other in reverse time. The more time passes for us and the doctor and the more he loves her, the less she KNOWS HIM. Right after this part the real love starts showing. The same love that shows up in Library of the Dead. THAT'S the River AFTER this scene and the 24 years spent with the Doctor. And you can clearly see in that episode that SHE is the one that knows about their love and HE doesn't even begin to have a clue about what SHE means to him. Great writing and acting.
jealousharibo because she knows the doctor. She understands the weight on his shoulders. He’s basically immortal, she no longer is. She won’t allow him to be in love with her because it would be stupid on his part. And that is exactly why River Song is, and forever will be, my only choice for the doctor
Ok but this scene plays so well bc both Kingston and Capaldi are such seasoned actors. They know how to reach emotional depths with these characters when they are together.
Not exactly just another guy when he can jaunt through time/space at will, decide the fate of species, and considers it his job to safeguard the universe while having the power to back that goal up.
theyaden I meant that in spite of all those perks, he's just another guy with his flaws. Once he said that he was a mad man with a box. I was guessing that was his way of trying to be somewhat humble.
His eyes get misty when she starts talking about how much she loves him... because he believed her before when she said he wasn't somebody special. He realizes when she starts that monologue that she really, truly does love him -- deeply so.
Say what you want about 12ths run but this is arguably one of the best DW moments ever. The fact River finally finds out he loves her just before she goes to The Library makes it all the more heartbreaking.
On the bright side, theoretically she could be saved. Afterall, her meeting the Doctor in the Library only guaranteed that she would end up there at some point. No one ever said that HAD to be the end of her story. Time works in mysterious ways.
yazmac I will say what I want about it: Aside from some dodgy writing in series 8, and the absolute crushing disappointment of Hell Bent, Capaldi’s tun was damned near perfect.
@@TheKat12364 They actually did do this. When the Doctor first goes to trenzalore (?) Clara is contacted by a telepathic drug-induced dream state. River somehow gets in too somehow and the connection stays for the whole episode. At some point they find her grave and the Doctor says that River isn't buried there because she died in the library. River clearly knows this already when she hears him say it so she must be contacting Clara from the library.
The looks and when they meet eyes right before he says "Hello Sweetie" I can't stop the tears. Especially compared to when the 10th looks her in the eyes and doesn't have the faintest idea who she is
“You don’t expect a sunset to admire you back.” The Doctor’s face while River is making this little speech holds so many emotions. Their relationship is beautiful, hilarious, and heartbreaking.
@@gia4892 Capaldi was his best when things were serious. Sadly the writers kept trying to write for smith and Capaldi never had his brand of just off wackyness. when Capaldi shines though he is briliant.
Watch any scene where he is in the background, it is simply a masterclass in acting. Capaldi is my favourite Doctor, & I’ve watched (or listened, in the case of the missing ones) every single episode multiple times.
@@borsniel7767 capaldis speech in the zygon episode was beyond any other, like there was no background explosions or cool effects to make the scene extra, it was just raw talent from him and it gives me chills everytime i watch it
@@borsniel7767 One of the reasons why Smith is a better Doctor is that he could do both. Capaldi can ham it up in certain scenes but there's always a sense that he's out of his comfort zone when he does. He's only in his element when he's doing the more dramatic stuff. Smith can make the Doctor's goofy and off-the-wall insanity look completely natural whilst also being able to convey his serious side with those too-old-for-his-young-face eyes. Capaldi's Season 8 Doctor would have been perfect for the Time War but not for a Doctor who had moved on from that event. Smith captured the Doctor effortlessly in his very first episode while Capaldi spent his entire first season trying to figure out if he should be the Doctor who spends centuries blasting Daleks to pieces and throwing people to the wolves (which he did to Clara TWICE) or a Doctor who's just travelling with the people he loves.
@@tomnorton4277 I like both but I prefer Peter Capaldi's humour that is more subtle. BTW Everything depends on the script writer. A lot of fans just prefer Matt 'cause he is younger and visually the perfect match for Clara.
the fact that river whole heartedly believes the doctor wont be there to save her makes me think there were several times when he wasnt. But i also think the doctor would somehow know when or if he needs to be there to save her, like in most cases he knows she can/needs to do whatever it is alone, but he's always there if she really does need him
Capaldi is everything. But, can we also talk about Alex's wonderful acting in this scene. Love the music. the phrasing. the comedy. the bickering between them. best River Song/Doctor scene ever.
There's some great scenes with River in "The Diary of River Song" from Big Finish. One of my favorite lines from her on an adventure with the Eighth Doctor is River: "You know what your first mistake was? Annoying a psychopath with time on her hands. And your second mistake? Involving my husband."
I just like how her face goes from defiance to anguish to surprise to embarrassment then back to being the badass she is. Same for Capaldi looking like a whipped dog to a look of adoration to that cheeky smirk when they're flirting. The microexpressions are extremely good
hmmm the best not from River maybe ;) I still like the one in the oldest clifface of the universe ;) For the novelty factor alone of sending someone a message that way. btw... isn't it ironic? Her "last episode" introduces an ancient emperor whose consciousness was uploaded into an immortal robot body... just what "the doctor has ordered" if you end up inside a library scanned into the central processor core as data...? The whoverse CLEARLY knows how to resolve the situation of Silence in the library/forest of the dead, yet it will forever be Doctor Who history that nobody can help Melody Pond after that experience... ;)
"Because loving the Doctor is like loving the stars themselves - you don't expect a sunset to admire you back" is such a beautiful line, but there's more meaning to it: sunset is the star that goes away. And it's all they ever do, say goodbye to each other...
i would do anything to have had more of twelve and river. she had different (albeit amazing) chemistry with ten and eleven, but hers with twelve is something truly special. that said, this ending is one of the best in the show when it comes to wrapping up storylines.
Wow, someone who actually supports this relationship. Bravo. Don't make a big deal about the fact that we both have homestuck profile pics, the epilogue's not even out yet and it's been 87 years.
The look of hurt in his eyes when she tells them she is sooo in love with him but that he would never love her... I kept thinking back on the scene in Angels Take Manhattan when The Doctor heals her wrist and she gets mad at him telling him he shouldn't try to be so sentimental. He loved River so much. Truly beautiful love.
This was the first time she's seen him since Manhattan - maybe the fact that he went off to mourn on his own instead of having them grieve together was influencing the way she views his feelings for her?
@@StillJustDreaming I think it's because she was a Professor in Manhattan, for the first time - and that was the title she had when she went to the Library. He couldn't deal with it. 11 avoids endings; it's his thing.
2:35 The reason she never recognized him until now... that smug little grin~ He was missing the one thing that made him the most recognizable to her. That no matter the face or personality, no matter how many regenerations down the line, stays the same. That smug little grin that he wears, that gives the person who's just about ready to give up... the bright, shining hope again, that they almost lost~
Amaranth I know!! He's standing RIGHT NEXT to her the WHOLE TIME!! Honestly GET WORDS mind you, I think it was the suit. He doesn't look as bad as he usually does to her!
I love how this scene is all show and not tell. He contradicts all of her words simply by standing there at her side and saying those two words. Moffat's Doctor in a nutshell; he's a legend, a god, a monster, he would never be such an idiot, he would never love a mortal. Cut to him doing exactly that. It's irony, it's funny, it's sentimental and romantic and revealing so much character (plus he throws a wrench into it all by having River say she was only doing it to keep them talking). And all of that in just two words.
Cliven Longsight Amazing dialogue, the best one/two off episodes of the series (Blink, Library eps, Empty Child, Heaven sent), but can’t write a non convoluted seasonal arc to save his life. He focused too much on the time travel mechanics.
@@blah7983 Yeah I see a lot of people complaining about his convoluted plots, which I guess I can understand. If you want someone to be able to jump in at any time, convoluted arcs make it harder. One example of a convoluted arc was the River arc. Many people found it too complicated and confusing. However, I didn't find it difficult to follow at all. For people like me, his convoluted arcs are what I loved best, but I know it's not a universal opinion. To each their own.
River's constant snark around the Doctor always made me doubt that she really loved him. This scene was vital for showing her in an unguarded moment, to reveal how she really felt all that time.
Bit late but also from her point she always has to be on guard around which doctor she meets and what she says so the snark is a weird way of her concealing her true emotions from the doctor depending which one she meets.
This was without a doubt my absolute favorite Capaldi Episode. I love River and wish we could have had more of their adventures together…such a lost opportunity.
It wasn't until this moment when I truly understood just how in love River is with the Doctor, and just how deeply he is in love with her. Gods, this scene left me breathless. Bless Alex's acting; I was tearing up.
i loved how it fleshed out their relationship so much better than their light flirting and a few serious parts and it gave them 24 years together in the end before she went to the library.
This was the only episode that sold them being a couple to me. Matt Smith was just never able to make me think of his Doctor as mature enough to be in love. Alex Kingston needed an actor worthy of her for the story to work.
@@mattlemmons6647 out of all of River's spouses she only truly loved the Doctor, and out of all of the Doctor's spouses he only truly love two, his first wife who he had at least one kid who gave him at least his granddaughter who was his first companion and River. he's been in so many relationships over the course of at least half of his 2000+ lifetime.
This episode is honestly amazing and underrated. Its perfectly ballanced with humor, character and emotions - Also "I'm an archaeologist from the future. I dug you up" is one of the best lines in doctor who
I mean river said the last time she saw the doctor was on Darillium before she died. and i doubt the doctor would've been with her for that long constantly
@@JensenPlaysMC I mean if anyone's gonna keep up with Dr. Then it would be River Song both as his wife, and as a fellow adventurer. Maybe they had adventures inbetween the more intimate moments. 24 years is a lot of time to use up!
I always used to think that a woman should love like River Song not Rose Tyler. Rose gave up her life to have the doctor, she put everything and everyone, including her family, on the line for him, just to have him love her back. And River, so strong and independent never let her love stop her from running across the universe alone, raising all kinds of hell and just enjoying the few moments she could get with the man she loves. She's so sure he doesn't love her back, she has told herself that over and over again and she's brave enough and complete enough to be okay with that.
I just love her line, "I can't let you die without knowing you are loved. By so many, and so much. And by no one more than me." River and The Doctor will never, *never* , be beat for me. It'll have to be a long DAMN time before I can stomach them go for the romantic angle with anyone again. No one beats River ♡
The series has had many great female characters and some great actresses but I think the characters of River and Missy are only matched by the talents of those two actresses.
This and the end scene are possibly the two best scenes in the entire series. There are others that are more emotional, more dramatic, but none with this amount of pent up emotion and absolutely spot-on acting. I'm still blown away by it.
@@vlada - Don't misunderstand me - THIS is my favorite DW episode (only watching from NINE on, though). But I also liked Ten with Donna Noble. They had great chemistry together as partners, like siblings - the way my brother and I acted towards each other. He had a lot of darkness that she helped keep in check.
Been watching for years but I only now realized when she’s staring at him it’s her finally taking an actual long look at him and realizing without any words that it’s him. That if she had looked at him sooner she would have seen that he was the Doctor by the little subtle things she had memorized over the years.
I just love it when River realises that her Husband is standing there all the time in yet another incarnation n when he says her usual line of "Hello Sweetie!"; gets her composure back by declaring: " You Are SO Getting Those Roots Done"! Hilarious! 🤔
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"I'm an archeologist from the future. I dug you up!!"
No one in the future does coldly ruthless quite like River Song.
Except, perhaps, the Doctor, when he’s finally done with someone’s shit!
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she made a DALEK beg for Mercy Nuff said
I love her. I'll never understand the anti-River fans.
Amy Ill most people don’t like river cause they ship Clara and the doctor at least all the anti river fans ik
His face when he realises she actually believes he doesn’t love her. Awww.
His little smile when she finally recognizes him. Capaldi said all of 5 words and managed to still speak volumes. Remarkable.
That sentence twisted my brain
Hello sweetie. *sniff, sniff.*
You can see his hearts break
Devin Brown I see what you did there.
Though I loved Rose, River loved every single Doctor. She never questioned his transformations, she loved him period.
Both of them provided their Doctors with what they needed at those points. For Nine and Ten it was Rose giving them the humanity they needed to fully cope, for Eleven and Twelve it was River allowing them to almost turn away from the Humanity that caused them so much pain before.
TBF river was also a somewhat time lord so she'd know what happens in the transformations.
@@Y2JAZZ1 I agree with u. We can't honestly expect his human companions to cope so well with his transformations even tho the same man was always still in there at some point. River goes through the same things and literally adapts in every way naturally and in turn had it so much easier to accept him in every form. We humans only get one life, and one physical image and our eyes have a HUGE roll in who we choose and see when it comes to love, so changing ur lovers or anyone's face, (to a human), is such a drastic change and would take so much more time to get use to and get our brain and heart to realize it's the same person we actually know and love. If this makes any sense 😆
I mean, compared to Mel's reaction, Rose's was tame. Mel judo flipped him before she accepted that he was the same person.
Both are great but this isn't true. Rewatch the episode where River meets 10, she never truly accepts him as her doctor. She questioned 10 more than Rose ever did, which isn't her fault but my point is she didn't accept all his transformations as her own doctor.
The lines "I'm an archeologist from the future. I dug you up" sent chills. That is one of the coolest final lines to say to someone EVER
"Records indicate you will show mercy. You are an associate of the Doctors."
"I'm River Song. Check your records again."
@@brianl8481 "...MERCY"
@@thomasnolastname8734 "Say it again."
@@Mark73 "...Mercy!"
@@JimmyBoy9878 "One more time..."
She died with Ten.
She married Eleven.
She had 24-year night with Twelve.
I CRIED.
Who doesn’t?
And in some fanfiction, she made out with 13.
@@NateSean I would watch that episode.
Kinda like the clock of the earth, striking 12 o'clock she died
@@allenfogarty2384 same
"Two hearts, stupid clothes" - Basically all of Doctor Who
So true my man I wheezed at this comment so hard and I choked
That’s why she said it lol
That's why River said, that they cannot miss him...
666th like - N I C E also that is an incredibly accurate description
I dont know man Pertwee was super suave
"Hello, Sweetie."
Maybe it's because of Peter Capaldi's age, maybe it's his delivery, but having him say that to Alex Kingston instead of Matt Smith or David Tennant just feels so damn perfect.
Also, it's usually her that says Hello Sweetie to the Doctor, so for him to finally say it to River was *chef's kiss*
Both Kingston and Smith are amazing actors and I'm sure they had a great chemistry but I never managed to see them as lovers
River with 12 though? Instant chemistry, it works so well
@@giovannaargon9010 100%
Came here to say that. It's just simply perfect... Mind you, I think Capaldi was the second best actor to play the role, ever.
@giovannaargon9010 Despite him being ruder than most other doctors, I stand by the fact 12 was one of the most emotional and loving doctors. I'd go as far as to say "love" was the theme of his entire character.
“You don’t expect a sunset to admire you back” this line hit me so hard. Whoever wrote this nailed it. Also, Peter Capaldi nailed the smouldering look he gives when she realises he is the doctor. This episode was beautiful!
The roots of the sunset?
@@davidchism302 I'll have to ask the stars.
It is funny as hell when he says her line hello sweetie
Loved the realization in her eyes when it finally hit her.
@@nachtwaya8721 that’s an ouch moment
"He's the Doctor! He doesn't go around falling in love with people!"
*Rose Tyler has left the chat*
His willingness to fragment time for Clara also says otherwise.
@@KyokujiFGC no, he wasnt in love with Clara. She was just his friend
The Doctor /did/ love Rose, but he 'lost' her during his 10th incarnation during the Battle of Canary Wharf, and then following his aborted regeneration after the loss of his hand, the part of him that loved her ended up manifesting in the Meta-Crisis version of him, who spent the rest of his life with her in a parallel universe.
@@devinrobertson5251 I think Clara was his and River's daughter.
Elena Monfils it’s not that deep. You’re thinking too hard and are assuming a lot. Davies clearly intended him to be in love with her, as she was with him. This is further shown by the finale of s2 where he was clearly about to say he loved her. Then in s4, they kissed after he told her what he was going to say. It’s very clear that Davies wrote him to be, in the literal use of the term, in love with Rose. You’re really overthinking and are making up random headcanon, when its been shown and proven to be the opposite.
it took over a thousand years for him to finally be the one that surprised her.
Joshua Plotkin actually it took over 5 billion years
@@-MiniBritton- wasn't it like 20 billion? not 5
a Dalek idk
As he said a couple of minutes before this scene:" Finally, it's my go."
@@TaunTaunTundra4477 4.6 billion years actually 😁
You can actually see the exact moment when River realizes that she will never live this down
it's alright, she only had to put up with it for 24 years :P
and suddenly comitting suicide in the library makes so much more sense
"Penny in the air...the penny drops."
@@rockstermaniac I wouldn't say suicide, more like "sacrifice for the greater good" kind of thing.
@@FranciumBoron Still gets her out of living it down. :V
Him teasing her about the "roots of the sunset" and checking "with the stars themselves" and then grinning maniacally while she's flustered is so wholesome I can barely contain myself!
Before my Wife passed this was basically our entire relationship. Snark back and forth.
@@raizenr2387 I met a guy and we only were friends until one day he said hello sweetie , I’m sorry for your loss
@@raizenr2387 Sorry for your loss. Sounds like a great relationship :)
@@ultimadei7604 It wasn't always and i wasn't the best husband at times. I do miss her dearly
@@raizenr2387 Sorry for your loss.
She was SO adamant in knowing the Doctor wasn't there, just to look to her left and be like: ....Oh... Oh. ....Oh. ....oh.... He heard ALL of that, didn't he...?
The look on her face when she realizes, when it really sinks in. Especially getting to hear him use one of her favorite lines, and she's near tears thinking he's not even around until then. Those two are actually great together, and I just wish they could have gotten many more adventures at this point in their lives.
At least she had 24 years with him.I would have loved 24 years with Capaldi's Doctor
To summarize pretty much everything in the words of the 12th doctor....
"Maybe he'll notice *now*"
Oh how he noticed everything.
3 reasons it took her so long to realize who he was: she thought he only had the 12 faces so she wasn't expecting a 13th new face. 2 she was not expecting him to show up and 3, she didn't bothering to look close enough at his eyes, eyes that multiple past companions have described as old, very old and ancient.
The look on her face when she realized who he is and when he says, "Hello, sweetie."
I love where she's all "I'm an archaeologist from the future. I dug you up." And The Doctor just looks so proud. :)
Emily M which is funny because the next time she sees him, he looks down on her for being an archaeologist
He's usually teasing her for her profession. While she digs up bones and reads books, he's actually there experiencing it. She mentioned to Amy that she hates ghost stories, because they always end up being about him.
@@tbeller80 - She hates good wizards in fairy tales because they always turn out to be him.
@@RK-ep8qy - That's his past self.
@@julietfischer5056 well duh
What kills me the most about this scene is that not only has River absolutely convinced herself that the Doctor doesn't love her back, and she's accepted it....but also, how very wrong she is and the fact that Capaldi says a mere handful of words yet you can tell from the sheer emotion on his face that both of the Doctors hearts broke because He's ALWAYS loved her and the fact that she doesn't realize that hurts him...ugh THIS SCENE
Well I think it's also that the doctor just in general has a very hard time expressing his feelings to somebody. He has been harmed so much over his nearly immortal life that I feel like he feels putting himself out there just means he will inevitably get hurt and so by not saying his emotions he's able to deny it to himself. So even though the doctor does love her he never really expressed it before this very scene which I think is what led River to feel that he didn't love her since he would just brush the idea off or not talk about it.
YES YES!!!!!!! I've thought the same the thing
True. I think it was the fact that their "marriage" was an attempt to save the world and he wasn't even himself at the time but a miniature within a robot replica. Then before demons run he didn't trust her and afterwards he kept coming back for her for what she might have percieved as a sense of guilt or obligation to care seeing how her "deformation" happened on his watch.
was probably a knife to his hearts to hear river so adamant about her belief that he doesn't love her back.
She knows he loves her, The timing was always off
I wish we had so many more episodes with the Capaldi and Kingston. They made a great couple and had crazy good chemistry. 10 didn't know her, 11 found her intriguing, but with 12 we actually see him in love with her. We the audience needed more of this.
Well, 11 did love her on Trenzalore
Eleven and River always felt a bit awkward, their age gap and personalities kind of clashed. But Twelve and River gel so well together, it’s clear this was the Doctor River was talking about in the Library. It’s a shame they only got one episode, but at least it was a good one.
@@theweirdofengland I mean to be fair they spent twenty four years together because of the night on Darillium so she had plenty of time with the Twelfth even if we didn't see it all
@@jadenwest6382 Well obviously. I’m saying I wish we got more on-screen time with them together.
11 loved her but I think he just didn’t want to admit it, even to himself, because 11 always repressed his emotions largely bc of how having emotions burned him so hard in the previous 2 regenerations. Doesn’t mean the love wasn’t there.
"Assuming we have one night left, just how long is a night on derillium?"
"24 years."
"I hate you."
"No, you don't."
One of the best moments in the entirety of the show, in my opinion.
agreed
Well said
I felt it totally undercut her speech in Forest of the Dead to make the night last 24 years
"I hate you" = 'I love you'
doctor logic
Because of this scene and so many other beautiful ones in this episode I consider it the unofficial finale of Doctor Who. It just ends and wraps everything up so perfectly.
"you don't expect a sunset to admire you back."
#heartbreak
That line...STILL breaks my💓
what the roots of the sunset? hahaha
@John banks: The roots of a sunset are -7i and 42. Oh, not those sorts of roots.
And then when you realize that the sunset is admiring you back just as you said that and has been for a while. Heartbreaking and breathcatching.
"Hush, Mummy and Daddy are busy" Things like this are exactly why I love River, and exactly why I'm glad we got this episode. Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi play off each other so well.
We should see their 24 years on Darillium. Considering the Doctor and River get bored easily, they'd still find ways to get into trouble on their last night together.
@@tomnorton4277 Oh, I'd love that.
@@tomnorton4277 Oh you know they went traveling during those 24 years, always coming back to Darillium in between their trips. I wouldn't be surprised if they fit a century or three into those years with their travels, just like 11 did before his picnic lunch at the lake with the three Ponds, and going to get shot by the younger River in the spacesuit. But eventually that night on Darillium did end.
I would love to see more of them together. I’m sad Peter said he wouldn’t return as the Doctor, his stories got so much better after series 8.
@@NPCSingularity Yeah, exactly. :(
I always get a kick out of "stupid clothes" while she's standing next to (arguably) the most elegant Doctor
But of course, she doesn't know he's the Doctor. Even though (AFAIK) she hadn't met any of the classic Doctors, if he'd been dressed like one of them, she might have suspected it sooner.
@@almostfm She may not have physically met them, but she had pictures of all his past incarnations. And the only one who really compared in terms of elegant clothing was William Hartnell's.
@@Kartissa And Jon Pertwee
Pertwee was my first thought for the Doctor being elegant.@@nsj4377
When you love the Doctor, it's like loving the stars themselves. You don't expect a sunset to admire you back." My god, that has to be one of the best lines ever written.
Accompanied by the fact that it is countermanded by 12 standing not 3 feet from her with his hearts somewhere around his ankles from hearing this. Then they zip right back up into orbit when he gets to repeat her lines back at her. That man is the measure by which all future Doctors will be judged. Granted, just about every modern Doctor has been amazing, but there's something to be said for being the most recent to knock it out of the park. Hopefully Jodie gets a writer worth a shit before she has to hang it up. I want to see how she'd do with a script worth the hard drive space it was saved in.
@@ember3579 Here's to hoping Chibnall gets his act together or leaves.
@@ember3579 seriously.. even with the absolute dumpster fire of writing she's been given, i can tell she could make an amazing doctor. i just hope she gets the chance to prove it.
"In love with"? No, the Doctor was never anything so crass as "in love with" River. He simply loved her - in the way that the sunset and the stars would do if they could.
And one of the saddest. Living and loving someone so much.... and not even a bit of hope to be loved back.
"The Doctor does not and never has loved me. I'm not lying."
"Confirmed. The lifeform is not lying."
You can see and almost hear, his hearts breaking at that moment. Of course he loves you River, you idiot!!!
When you remember that she is Rory's daughter too (T-T) She has his insecurities about love.
@@jeckjeck3119 OK, that's just too heart breaking to think about. Amy ran away from Rory, the Doctor ran away from River - but in the end they both ran towards their loves
💔 This is my heart breaking during this scene
She didn't feel loved. She didn't believe he loved her, and that is the point.
I think it's also worth noting that at this point, she has known him less than she has known him.
The look in the Doctor's face when he realizes River really believes he doesn't love her... :'(
Every husband that has said goodbye to a wife ponders in the last moments if she know how much this will hurt; and hope in the moments before saying good bye she really understands how much they are loved. But to hear that doubt, from time to time as marriages often do, cuts like no knife can. Capaldi I think understood that and in a single glance conveyed it perfectly.
As much as I love Matt smith and Alex Kensington together I would have killed to see a full season of her with capaldi. That hello sweetie might have been the most romantic moment ever filmed
So fucking TENDERRRR! 😭😭😭
Yes. Sooooo good.
Far better chemistry. They didn't have enough scenes together, but the ones they did were superior to any other doctor
Eleventh and River were insatiable newlyweds while Twelfth and River were the old married couple-til death do they part-romance ❤ I loved both
No believable chemistry with Matt Smith. But Capaldi for sure.
River-"I'm an archeologist from the future, I dug you up"
Me-"OHHHHH SNAP! YOU JUST GOT BURNED!"
Grassy Cactus literally?
quite literally...
Yeah... That's when you know you're absolutely boned.
See you in 400 years!
HA HA MAN YOU JUST GOT ROASTED FILTHY PRANKED
Eleven’s chemistry with River is stellar, but Twelve’s chemistry with her is everything
Edit: I'm impressed that this comment is still getting attention after 2 years 😀 I've been enjoying everyone's perspective on this!
Its a much less of an age gap so its wayyy more belivable i think
@@rainbowrainbow4621 agreed
As stellar as the stars themselves?
The way he looks at her is very much for the more adult Doctor Who audience
@@choyna totally.
People seem to prefer the whimsy of she and 11, but the way 12 looks at her in this moment, says it all. It's pure magic, whole love, and is real as fuck. 👑👑👑😌
I see I come back to this video every so many years to reset my joy
I didn't know you were a Doctor Who fan Ben. Cool to know.
@@jessetorres8738 I’m a whovian through and through!
Mood xD
Oh hey! Benjamin Dixon is even more based than I thought!
seretonin overdrive
Whoever wrote these lines for River Song is soooo good at their job.
"When you love the Doctor, it's like loving the stars themselves! You don't expect the sunset to admire you back!" 😭❤️
Moffat wrote them
I can 100% picture her saying that "On the fly" with no script.
The Doctor's face after the truth scan. It falls and my heart breaks for him. He loves River, that's obvious, but seeing that she doesn't believe it is gut wrenching. Amazing acting by Capaldi and Kingston.
I swear the Doctor must never have told River about Rose. Maybe River would have believed in him a bit more.
I know right. I knew he knew he since season 6. Watching them flirt.
@@urthboundmisfit I think he loves her way more then Rose. Rose was his first companion since the war I think he was just infatuated with her because she represented the good in humanity and everything the doctor was missing during the war. But he truely loves River
@@urthboundmisfit I definitely don't think he talked about Rose. Even Rose's name was a massive source of pain for the Doctor, and his 11th incarnation in particular was very, very good at avoiding deeper emotions.
@@TheKat12364 well tenth loved Rose the most, he even had her name made out of flowers in tardis garden. And you know, when doctor regenerates, he becomes a different person, so his feelings to others can change...
"Hush, Mummy and Daddy are talking"
I love that. Almost as soon as River recognises Twelve as the Doctor, she takes it in her stride and continues on. A stark contrast from Clara's initial 'I don't see you as the Doctor despite you literally regenerating in front of me' thing. I think it's a nice subtle nod to just how different their relationships are.
in clara's defense the doctor was acting different and this was her first time experiencing his regeneration
blackvial Oh, I get that it would've been alarming for Clara. Also, River has the advantage of having experienced Regeneration first hand herself as well, but I still feel Clara's reaction to Twelve after regeneration went a little too far. I would be a little more lenient if she hadn't literally seen him regenerate in front of her, but she did, so...
I think the problem is that we the audience didn't get to see what Clara went through after the 11th Doctor's regeneration, remember regeneration can be a very dramatic experience for the Doctor, both the 5th and 6th Doctor had psychological breakdowns for example. From our point of view Clara had a wild ride with Doctor and that's it, kinda of hard to relate to her issues in that regard because that is something she should already be use to.
Rose had the same trouble dealing with accepting it when the 9th Doctor turned into the 10th.
SirCraigius Yeah but Rose had no idea about regeneration before. It took him ages to even convince her that he wasn't just an alien that transmatted in his place. Clara had seen all his past faces and yet still held his new one against him.
I’ve watched this several times over the last few years. “Hello, sweetie” gives me goosebumps every time.
Oh yes!
Every now and then I feel the need to look up this scene and watch it again. It is that good. Kingston and Capaldi had such amazing chemistry. As much as I loved this special, and thought it wrapped up River and The Doctor's story nicely, I wish his run was longer, and that these two had more interactions. They are an absolute joy to watch together.
I came here to do my semi annual rewatch of this scene and say exactly that. 😂
I do too. Like right now. 🥰🥰
Big boys don't cry but this line gets me off close. 😍
I watch this so often. I love how flirtatious 11 and River are, it's so playful. But 12 and River are it for me. This one episode, and 12 was HER doctor for me from that moment on.
"You are so doing those roots."
"But they're the roots of the sunset!"
"Don't you dare."
"I'll have to check with the stars."
Azairaith Carter What? The roots of the sunset? ( Carter got SCHOOLED )
Azairaith Carter Married couple banter.
BowTiesAreCool nor do I, I’m literally checking the comments lol
@BowTiesAreCool The Doctor is making fun of how River said loving the Doctor is like loving the sunset or the stars themselves because they don't love you back
@BowTiesAreCool She's making fun of his grey hair, saying he needs to dye them. He's making fun of what she said about him being the sun or the stars.
It's very sad that River honestly believed Doctor didn't love her, after everything they've been through together. I can see why she would think that - but still, it's very, very sad.
Bit late, I know. But you have to remember they keep meeting each other in reverse time. The more time passes for us and the doctor and the more he loves her, the less she KNOWS HIM. Right after this part the real love starts showing. The same love that shows up in Library of the Dead. THAT'S the River AFTER this scene and the 24 years spent with the Doctor. And you can clearly see in that episode that SHE is the one that knows about their love and HE doesn't even begin to have a clue about what SHE means to him. Great writing and acting.
@@RobertFierce woah. I always forget that. It makes a lot of sense.
jealousharibo because she knows the doctor.
She understands the weight on his shoulders. He’s basically immortal, she no longer is.
She won’t allow him to be in love with her because it would be stupid on his part.
And that is exactly why River Song is, and forever will be, my only choice for the doctor
Even sadder though that she thinks she's too small and ordinary for the for the Doctor to be in love with her.
Somewhere out there Jack and Martha are nodding in agreement with what she's saying.
2:55. I just love the smile the doctor gives river as he’s teasing her with her own words.
Straight up troll face
Ok but this scene plays so well bc both Kingston and Capaldi are such seasoned actors. They know how to reach emotional depths with these characters when they are together.
*"When you love the Doctor it's like loving the stars themselves. You don't expect the sunset to admire you back."* 😭 ❤
missJorge i love this!!!
It's so beautiful yet so sad.
missJorge
I think she puts the Doctor on a pedestal way too much. He's just another guy, he has said so himself: I'm just a madman in a box.
Not exactly just another guy when he can jaunt through time/space at will, decide the fate of species, and considers it his job to safeguard the universe while having the power to back that goal up.
theyaden
I meant that in spite of all those perks, he's just another guy with his flaws. Once he said that he was a mad man with a box. I was guessing that was his way of trying to be somewhat humble.
I love this scene so much and hate that Kingston and Capaldi didn't get more episodes together as I think they had the best chemistry.
Me too. I am devastated they didn't get more screen time.
I think Big Finish should do an episode about some of their adventures on Darillium.
They fell into it so easily
Does anyone have contact details for Big Finish Audio?
@@rebeccaagholor9622 Yesssssss that would be amazing!!
"I dug you up" is such a badass line. Love how she delivers it.
I love how quickly River's mood switches once she finds out he's the doctor
"Hush. Mummy and Daddy are busy."
-River Song
Best line in the show
@@davidferrin4586 same for me😂
That may have cracked me up. I admit nothing.
River is the queen 🤣👑
"What the roots of the sunset?"
"I'll have to check with the stars" 🤣🤣🤣
I howl laughing everytime I watch this at the point, so funny !
Is that a reference to hair dye? I think it is, but I wasn't sure.
The lighting is amazing
@@jesseberg3271 it's definitely a reference to hair dye (my brother kept saying it to me when I had blonde hair)
River Song: Oh, SHUT IT!!!!
"Hellow Sweetie" Jesus I'm sobbing.
It doesn't matter how many times I watch this.
The BEST Hello Sweetie!!!❤
2:44 "Hello, sweetie"
Hit harder than any other love confession.
I love how all misty eyed he is when he says "Hello, sweetie."
It's the moment when he turns it around on her...when he becomes the Doctor she describes in her very first episode during the David Tennant era.
He's probably been waiting years to say that
The feels!
His eyes get misty when she starts talking about how much she loves him... because he believed her before when she said he wasn't somebody special. He realizes when she starts that monologue that she really, truly does love him -- deeply so.
I know ahhhhhh 😭😭😁☺☺☺
Say what you want about 12ths run but this is arguably one of the best DW moments ever.
The fact River finally finds out he loves her just before she goes to The Library makes it all the more heartbreaking.
Oh my...now I need to rewatch DW from the perspective of her timeline!
On the bright side, theoretically she could be saved. Afterall, her meeting the Doctor in the Library only guaranteed that she would end up there at some point. No one ever said that HAD to be the end of her story. Time works in mysterious ways.
@@selonianth I keep expecting something like she found a way while in the computer to clone her body and then download her consciousness.
yazmac I will say what I want about it:
Aside from some dodgy writing in series 8, and the absolute crushing disappointment of Hell Bent, Capaldi’s tun was damned near perfect.
@@TheKat12364 They actually did do this. When the Doctor first goes to trenzalore (?) Clara is contacted by a telepathic drug-induced dream state. River somehow gets in too somehow and the connection stays for the whole episode. At some point they find her grave and the Doctor says that River isn't buried there because she died in the library. River clearly knows this already when she hears him say it so she must be contacting Clara from the library.
The looks and when they meet eyes right before he says "Hello Sweetie" I can't stop the tears. Especially compared to when the 10th looks her in the eyes and doesn't have the faintest idea who she is
Capaldi acting with no dialogue is just mwah, amazing
Can't get enough of it.
“You don’t expect a sunset to admire you back.” The Doctor’s face while River is making this little speech holds so many emotions. Their relationship is beautiful, hilarious, and heartbreaking.
@@gia4892 Capaldi was his best when things were serious. Sadly the writers kept trying to write for smith and Capaldi never had his brand of just off wackyness. when Capaldi shines though he is briliant.
Watch any scene where he is in the background, it is simply a masterclass in acting. Capaldi is my favourite Doctor, & I’ve watched (or listened, in the case of the missing ones) every single episode multiple times.
@@borsniel7767 capaldis speech in the zygon episode was beyond any other, like there was no background explosions or cool effects to make the scene extra, it was just raw talent from him and it gives me chills everytime i watch it
@@borsniel7767 One of the reasons why Smith is a better Doctor is that he could do both. Capaldi can ham it up in certain scenes but there's always a sense that he's out of his comfort zone when he does. He's only in his element when he's doing the more dramatic stuff. Smith can make the Doctor's goofy and off-the-wall insanity look completely natural whilst also being able to convey his serious side with those too-old-for-his-young-face eyes.
Capaldi's Season 8 Doctor would have been perfect for the Time War but not for a Doctor who had moved on from that event. Smith captured the Doctor effortlessly in his very first episode while Capaldi spent his entire first season trying to figure out if he should be the Doctor who spends centuries blasting Daleks to pieces and throwing people to the wolves (which he did to Clara TWICE) or a Doctor who's just travelling with the people he loves.
@@tomnorton4277 I like both but I prefer Peter Capaldi's humour that is more subtle. BTW Everything depends on the script writer. A lot of fans just prefer Matt 'cause he is younger and visually the perfect match for Clara.
"Hush, mummy and daddy are busy." LOL
I love your profile pic
@@Gay_Jesus Thank you. :)
I said that to my friend once when he inturupted me when I was speaking to another friend
@@johncamplin1159 lol
the fact that river whole heartedly believes the doctor wont be there to save her makes me think there were several times when he wasnt. But i also think the doctor would somehow know when or if he needs to be there to save her, like in most cases he knows she can/needs to do whatever it is alone, but he's always there if she really does need him
Never has 'hello sweety' held so much emotion and meaning.
You got that right! A few words with so much meaning!
Capaldi is everything. But, can we also talk about Alex's wonderful acting in this scene. Love the music. the phrasing. the comedy. the bickering between them. best River Song/Doctor scene ever.
There's some great scenes with River in "The Diary of River Song" from Big Finish.
One of my favorite lines from her on an adventure with the Eighth Doctor is
River: "You know what your first mistake was? Annoying a psychopath with time on her hands. And your second mistake? Involving my husband."
I'm surprised it took me so long to find a comment about her acting just now! Brilliant!
I just like how her face goes from defiance to anguish to surprise to embarrassment then back to being the badass she is. Same for Capaldi looking like a whipped dog to a look of adoration to that cheeky smirk when they're flirting. The microexpressions are extremely good
Alex's acting in this scene is just flawless.
Maybe the best Dr/River scene... Or maybe that's Matt's Doctor talking to her on Trenzalore.
"Hush, Mummy and Daddy are busy" has to be the best line from River and she says it with a straight face too.
What a love story. The first time I saw River Song she had me at "Spoilers." and "Hello sweetie. "
Alex Kingston ROCKS!!!
Yes, she does. Best "companion" EVER😊
His smile is absolutely devious when she is trying to recover from the embarrassment of her loving words..
"He's certainly NOT in love enough to find himself STANDING IN IT WITH ME!!"
*sees him*
Holy shit never mind.
(¬ ͜ʖ¬) deeevious.
The best "Hello Sweetie" of them all. ♥️♥️
TheDoctorFilms agreeeee
Agreed
TheDoctorFilms Amen. 😊❤
hmmm the best not from River maybe ;)
I still like the one in the oldest clifface of the universe ;) For the novelty factor alone of sending someone a message that way.
btw... isn't it ironic? Her "last episode" introduces an ancient emperor whose consciousness was uploaded into an immortal robot body... just what "the doctor has ordered" if you end up inside a library scanned into the central processor core as data...? The whoverse CLEARLY knows how to resolve the situation of Silence in the library/forest of the dead, yet it will forever be Doctor Who history that nobody can help Melody Pond after that experience... ;)
TheDoctorFilms ooooh yes!
"Because loving the Doctor is like loving the stars themselves - you don't expect a sunset to admire you back" is such a beautiful line, but there's more meaning to it: sunset is the star that goes away. And it's all they ever do, say goodbye to each other...
i would do anything to have had more of twelve and river. she had different (albeit amazing) chemistry with ten and eleven, but hers with twelve is something truly special. that said, this ending is one of the best in the show when it comes to wrapping up storylines.
Jesus. Kingston and Capaldi are giving a master class in acting in this scene.
She came into my school to actually give a masterclass in acting... the year after I left. 😒
(She came in because her niece went there)
Kingston absolutely slew this scene! And that soft little "Hello Sweetie" is perfect.
@@ladyfoxwf1075 - Jealousy abounds!
I love his big goofy grin and he teases her. These two are perfect for each other.
Classtoise much more suited than Matt Smith's version
Classtoise homestuck?
Tasya
Yup!
Classtoise I love you
Wow, someone who actually supports this relationship. Bravo.
Don't make a big deal about the fact that we both have homestuck profile pics, the epilogue's not even out yet and it's been 87 years.
"I'm an archeologist from the future, I DUG YOU UP" I really love that line.
It's the venom in her tone that sells it.
Fun fact! The song playing during River’s speech is actually called ‘The Women He Loves’! It’s on the Doctor Who series 9 soundtrack
Hush mummy and daddy are talking.😂😂😂
Daniel Sanderson that was too cheesy
vanta black no it was hilarious.
Daniel Sanderson why no both?
Daniel Sanderson ikr
But do you care?
The look of hurt in his eyes when she tells them she is sooo in love with him but that he would never love her... I kept thinking back on the scene in Angels Take Manhattan when The Doctor heals her wrist and she gets mad at him telling him he shouldn't try to be so sentimental. He loved River so much. Truly beautiful love.
River Song I know!! I was SO SHOCKED!! I've known since season 6 that he loved her.
For me personally, it feels like The Doctor truly loved her as Eleven but with Twelve it's the true sentiment of remembrance that solidifies them.
This was the first time she's seen him since Manhattan - maybe the fact that he went off to mourn on his own instead of having them grieve together was influencing the way she views his feelings for her?
@@StillJustDreaming I think it's because she was a Professor in Manhattan, for the first time - and that was the title she had when she went to the Library. He couldn't deal with it. 11 avoids endings; it's his thing.
Can’t we stop and admire Capaldi’s performance?
He has a faction of the lines but all his acting is done with his face and emotions. Brilliant.
2:35 The reason she never recognized him until now... that smug little grin~ He was missing the one thing that made him the most recognizable to her. That no matter the face or personality, no matter how many regenerations down the line, stays the same.
That smug little grin that he wears, that gives the person who's just about ready to give up... the bright, shining hope again, that they almost lost~
when river song was telling them about the doctor my heart snapped in half
breyer_neigh I know! it seemed to hurt the doctor as well!😢😭
yep
breyer_neigh Same my facial expressions kept changing and then ultimately I cried and then smiled when he said hello sweetie.
breyer_neigh I know! It's so heartbreaking that she truly believed The Doctor didn't love her. Wrong!😁😍
Mine did too! Cause I was shocked she didn't know
Capaldi's Doctor and River Song were too beautiful and over too short.
They did get 24-years together - probably considerably longer than any other incarnation River spent time with...
@@schubertuk I think he meant on screen
As time has progressed, this story has taken on more importance.Peter and Alex are phenomenal.
“I’m an archaeologist from 400 years in the future... I dug you up” one if not Rivers best lines
"You can't miss him!"
XD
Penny in the air.....
Penny drops.
Arju Jannaka Brilliant.
Amaranth I know!! He's standing RIGHT NEXT to her the WHOLE TIME!! Honestly GET WORDS mind you, I think it was the suit. He doesn't look as bad as he usually does to her!
I love how this scene is all show and not tell. He contradicts all of her words simply by standing there at her side and saying those two words. Moffat's Doctor in a nutshell; he's a legend, a god, a monster, he would never be such an idiot, he would never love a mortal. Cut to him doing exactly that. It's irony, it's funny, it's sentimental and romantic and revealing so much character (plus he throws a wrench into it all by having River say she was only doing it to keep them talking). And all of that in just two words.
I disagree to the fact he throws a wrench into it rule 1 they lie
For all the crap Moffat gets (some deserved a lot of it not) he wrote brilliant dialogue.
Cliven Longsight Amazing dialogue, the best one/two off episodes of the series (Blink, Library eps, Empty Child, Heaven sent), but can’t write a non convoluted seasonal arc to save his life. He focused too much on the time travel mechanics.
@@blah7983 Yeah I see a lot of people complaining about his convoluted plots, which I guess I can understand. If you want someone to be able to jump in at any time, convoluted arcs make it harder. One example of a convoluted arc was the River arc. Many people found it too complicated and confusing. However, I didn't find it difficult to follow at all. For people like me, his convoluted arcs are what I loved best, but I know it's not a universal opinion. To each their own.
@@amyill9280 you are totally right. God i hope there is more of River in the future, or the past. Anything is possible now.
This just felt so, so right.
Best "hello sweetie" of them all.
“I dug you up.”
Makes me smile every single time.
“How could you know?”
“I’m an archaeologist from the future. I DUG YOU UP.” That has got to be one of the best burns in Doctor Who.
"See you in four hundred years!" is excellent as a parting-shot follow-up.
River's constant snark around the Doctor always made me doubt that she really loved him. This scene was vital for showing her in an unguarded moment, to reveal how she really felt all that time.
Haaaa truly...
I never for a second doubted it.
The Husbands of River Song is the best River episode JUST for that reason, UGH it's so good!!!
Snark from your wife is the best part of love.
Bit late but also from her point she always has to be on guard around which doctor she meets and what she says so the snark is a weird way of her concealing her true emotions from the doctor depending which one she meets.
This was without a doubt my absolute favorite Capaldi Episode. I love River and wish we could have had more of their adventures together…such a lost opportunity.
Life goal: find someone who looks at you like the Doctor looks at River.
“Oh, I hope you’re not being personal!”
*The Doctor raises an eyebrow*
“I’m an archeologist from the future. I dug you up.”
*The Doctor is proud*
Savage honestly
It wasn't until this moment when I truly understood just how in love River is with the Doctor, and just how deeply he is in love with her. Gods, this scene left me breathless. Bless Alex's acting; I was tearing up.
and when you see how devastated he is in The Return of Dr. Mysterio
i loved how it fleshed out their relationship so much better than their light flirting and a few serious parts and it gave them 24 years together in the end before she went to the library.
This was the only episode that sold them being a couple to me. Matt Smith was just never able to make me think of his Doctor as mature enough to be in love. Alex Kingston needed an actor worthy of her for the story to work.
@@mattlemmons6647 I Iiked her with Matt, they were cute and funny, but the chemistry and the banter with Capaldi was what we needed all along
@@mattlemmons6647 out of all of River's spouses she only truly loved the Doctor, and out of all of the Doctor's spouses he only truly love two, his first wife who he had at least one kid who gave him at least his granddaughter who was his first companion and River. he's been in so many relationships over the course of at least half of his 2000+ lifetime.
The doctor casually mocking her is hilarious. "The roots of a sunset?" "Ill have to check with the stars themselves." Was both smooth and hilarious.
This episode is honestly amazing and underrated. Its perfectly ballanced with humor, character and emotions - Also "I'm an archaeologist from the future. I dug you up" is one of the best lines in doctor who
I really want a spinoff with River and The Doctor and their adventures during the 24 years on Darillium
It would be rated R, though. All those years was one night...
I think in the next episode and from the sounds of this one they never leave the planet.
What a great idea 👍
I mean river said the last time she saw the doctor was on Darillium before she died. and i doubt the doctor would've been with her for that long constantly
@@JensenPlaysMC I mean if anyone's gonna keep up with Dr. Then it would be River Song both as his wife, and as a fellow adventurer. Maybe they had adventures inbetween the more intimate moments. 24 years is a lot of time to use up!
I always used to think that a woman should love like River Song not Rose Tyler. Rose gave up her life to have the doctor, she put everything and everyone, including her family, on the line for him, just to have him love her back.
And River, so strong and independent never let her love stop her from running across the universe alone, raising all kinds of hell and just enjoying the few moments she could get with the man she loves. She's so sure he doesn't love her back, she has told herself that over and over again and she's brave enough and complete enough to be okay with that.
Agreed
River is x1000 the woman Rose can ever hope to be
@@wabbitwabbit98 Bah! They're both women and they're different, being they have had very different life experiences, just like people.
I just love her line, "I can't let you die without knowing you are loved. By so many, and so much. And by no one more than me."
River and The Doctor will never, *never* , be beat for me. It'll have to be a long DAMN time before I can stomach them go for the romantic angle with anyone again. No one beats River ♡
The Doctor definitely had a crush on Rose, but it was River he married.
"Hello sweetie." The way he delivers that line gets me every time🥺
Oh, the hurt in his face when River says that he doesn't love her. 😭😭
Wow! The emotional acting on River is insane in how well it was done. Even Capaldi hit the nail on its head with the way he was looking at her.
The series has had many great female characters and some great actresses but I think the characters of River and Missy are only matched by the talents of those two actresses.
This and the end scene are possibly the two best scenes in the entire series. There are others that are more emotional, more dramatic, but none with this amount of pent up emotion and absolutely spot-on acting. I'm still blown away by it.
@@vlada - Don't misunderstand me - THIS is my favorite DW episode (only watching from NINE on, though). But I also liked Ten with Donna Noble. They had great chemistry together as partners, like siblings - the way my brother and I acted towards each other. He had a lot of darkness that she helped keep in check.
Been watching for years but I only now realized when she’s staring at him it’s her finally taking an actual long look at him and realizing without any words that it’s him. That if she had looked at him sooner she would have seen that he was the Doctor by the little subtle things she had memorized over the years.
Alex Kingston acted her ass off here. One of the best Doctor Who characters.
"I dug you up"
I love the smirk of The Doctor when River say it's like I seeing the stars themself lol
*loving
I just love it when River realises that her Husband is standing there all the time in yet another incarnation n when he says her usual line of "Hello Sweetie!"; gets her composure back by declaring: " You Are SO Getting Those Roots Done"!
Hilarious!
🤔
Ace , always love river song in dr who , great character
I absolutely love that moment when she realizes it's him.
Penny in the air? Penny drops.
Peter capaldi sold this scene. He actually looked hurt
Capaldi’s face when he realizes River thinks he doesn’t love her is heartbreaking
The look on her face when she finally realizes that she had it all wrong and he had been with her from the beginning.
So glad that Twelve got together with River before her final adventure in The Library.
Henry in NorCal it might not be her last, she did say she had seen all the faces of the doctor.
CAKE but yet she didn't recognize him here? As sadly it is to admit, I think this is the last we'll see of River.
Alex did say she wanted to come back to the show to meet Jodie as the Doctor, so you never know, we may just see her again!
@@Nibblenephim its been confirmed and it could be earlier in. Rivers time line
Best burn ever :D "I'm an archaeologist from the future. I dug you up."
"See you in 400 years."
Best burn indeed, they almost deorbited.