Just a fun factoid that Matt Smith did, in 2016 I believe, wished that he had stay on for an additional series as he enjoyed working with Jenna Coleman.
@@rustybrooks8916 Yes, much as I would have enjoyed more 11 and Clara, I think it worked out for the best. Don't think Eleven would have bounced off Missy as well.
@@Dalek97 Hard to say, but the chemistry between her and 12 was undeniably excellent. I do wish 11 had gotten his own Master to play with though. I had a dream at that time, especially since both actors knew each other and were both Moffat adjacent, if they could have somehow worked Benedict Cumberbatch in as his Master. Of course, that would have demanded an entire rewrite of at least one whole series to accommodate such an awesome pairing.
Fun fact about 14: The original plan was not three episodes. They could’ve done an entire series, if they could. But shooting schedules of Catherine Tate and David Tennant were too tight, and would’ve intersected another shows, so that’s why only three episodes
Well done explaining Hartnell's departure. The sugar coated version is that he decided to leave cos of his health, but fact is he was pushed out. And as for Troughton - I think it must have been an interview with Fraser where he said that Troughton's wife was pushing him to leave WHO and do some more "serious" acting... As much as I LOVE Troughton (ahh - note my channel name...!), I think 3 seasons worked for him.
I think we are only going to see 2 seasons with Ncuti, it means he will have been The Doctor for 3 years, but just 2 full seasons and 3 Xmas specials... time will reveal all!
To point out about five doctor episodes, 20th anniversary, as Tom Baker (4th doctor) never took part of Story, as we only had 1st doctor who play by Richard Hurndall While 2nd 3rd, 5th doctors were played by original actors. The 1st doctor was only the doctor to be played by different 3 actors.
Speaking of different actors, obviously we got David Bradley play First Doctor after playing William Hartnell, would you like to see other actors take on other Doctors like this? Like if Reece Shearsmith played the Second Doctor at some point after he played Patrick in An Adventure in Space and Time.
@@thewholook with budget from disney I do like to see 2nd doctor lost episodes that could be remake played by different actors finish 2nd doctor story.
@@thewholookHonestly if they found just the right person I'd be ok with it, it's great to think we could see The Doctor at all points of his life (and them meeting each other) without much hassle, even just for some flashbacks when The Doctor's memories prove relevant to the story - But as much as it means we could have earlier Doctors "just as they were", I think it equally important to give each actor their time in the sun, unlike poor William Hartnell. Without it, we wouldn't get Tom Baker's contribution being honoured by appearing as The Curator, Peter Davison's 5 meeting Tennant's Ten, Colin Baker reprising 6 in Tales from the Tardis, which has all been lovely, and you could still have Sylvester McCoy's 7 and Paul McGann and 8 have some onscreen adventures yet! No need to replace them as yet
Imagine if they brought back when Doctor Who returned in 2005 with Paul McGann as a newly regenerated eighth doctor instead of a newly regenerated ninth.
That's exactly what I wish they had done, and what I spitballed for about 50,000 odd words in a fanfic once upon a time... I know he would have been fantastic...
@@JohnCoon-tp7wv I presume at some point McGann has commented on this... But yes, as far as I'm aware, RTD only ever intended to use "his" Doctor, not McGann.
The Ninth doctor wasn't newly regenerated he'd been the doctor for ages by the time he meets rose. Who becomes his first real companion as before he'd always been running from his past & rose was the 1st person who actually made him stop running & start to properly face what he'd done. That's kinda shown by the whole Doctor fan guy & by obviously extended Media we've gotten since. Also I think part of why they didn't really bring McGann in was because he'd been the face of the doctor for most of the wilderness years along with the 5th, 6th & 7th doctors. Who became a part of the comics, books & Audio dramas of the era. So it was probably just that they wanted a new person to become the face of the new show. I think its also partly due to wanting the return to be rather secret until it was announced with the tapes being labelled Torchwood & the use of lesser known actors instead of ones who'd bring attention to the filming.
I heard a different story with Tom Baker. At the nearing of the end of each season he would say that he's leaving because of the pay, but each time, the producers convinced him to stay and up his pay, but when JNT came along and Tom tried that, JNT said "Alright", and then went looking for a new Doctor. Tom Baker has later said that he regrets leaving because it was he loved doing that job. The bit about Lalla Ward being a reason for Tom Baker leaving is just false.
Sorry I could’ve been clearer as I didn’t actually mention it as I was supposed to, he clashed with co-stars on set but with Lalla it wasn’t he left because of her rather than apparently due to the producers being unhappy with the offscreen relationship they had together. I could’ve shown that a lot clearer! But the pay side of it is news to me as I never heard of that one so thanks for letting me know!
Didn't he have some kind of health crisis prior to and/or during the filming of Season Eighteen? I've a feeling that played into his departure as well.
@@phuttyyt yeah he did, no idea what the illness was, it was kept secret. JNT knew but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it caused him to lose some weight and his hair stopped being as curly so he had to had to have it curled in his last season.. so yeah that's another reason that played into it.
I think Matt Smith was also suffering from quite a nasty back condition as well towards the end of his run. In his final episode, when his Doctor was growing old, he was walking with a cane because he’d had a back surgery or something. I believe they wrote the episode around that.
Yeah he had a back injury as a kid, it resulted him ending his football career and becoming an actor instead, his football past was the whole reason why The Lodger included the football scenes of Matt playing. Hadn't heard of the back surgery part though so that's interesting
@@thewholook I just had a look and it was in fact his leg he injured prior to that episode, my mistake! But yeah he has had a back issue for most of his life. Did well for himself playing an energetic role like that!
i think there's alot of gaps with capaldi at this point in time. Yes you could say he left as he didnt want a similar ressentiment that baker would harbor between a new show runner but i think thats just a surface level answer to keep good connections with bbc. But there's definitely alot of other claims from the inner production that he was asked to leave nicely as the bbc was getting cold feet with viewings getting progressively less through his tenure. Perhaps one day we'll get more solid answers but to claim that he simply just couldnt handle work load when the guy was previously working on multiple productions both abroad and in the uk and his lifelong dream was too much to handle? No way. Even currently his recent comments on him not going back because he doesnt beleive in multi-doctor stories when he himself appeared in one briefly... idk im curious if the show some does end for a while and its not a deal breaker for his acting maybe he'll discuss more about it. The moffat era in general is very shrouded in mystery in some regards.
I remember hearing somewhere that some of the showrunners in the BBC during 9 and 10’s era were apparently kind of rude about their northern and Scottish, respectively, accents, which is part of the reason 9 left and why 10 speaks in a London accent.
Davies was in charge during that era (as he is again now) and he basically asked David not to speak with Scottish accent and do the standard English that David had used before in other projects so that it wasn’t regionalised after 9th was “from the north” and David agreed with the decision
I think more than leaving with Chibnall it was that Jodie was first trimester pregnant when filming the specials and the she so was so close to having the baby when they started filming the 60th anniversary specials that it would’ve been hard to explain why the doctor now has a pregnant looking belly when she didn’t the last time we saw her and on the show it’s never really been stated how people on gallifrey reproduce even though there is highly accepted expanded universe explanation for it but it’s not show canon
I feel like if they both stayed we would’ve had 1 special instead of 3, a massive multidoctor story where Jodie would be pushed aside so she can have a more minimal role due to the pregnancy and then a proper series later on when she was back, but it was the right time to make a change either way I think. Even then they announced their departures months before she got pregnant so was just good timing
@@thewholook that is possible but I also feel that power of the doctor does feel like a better anniversary special then the 3 we actually got for the anniversary specials especially internationally cause I’m in America and we got no tales of the tardis no unleashed and no consolation of the series on one platform now we have it broke up on multiple platforms the anniversary specials feel more like a celebration of season 4 even though they are still good specials it’s like they want an international audience on paper but will not make all content available to all fans and i know the show is British first but this era feels like they are already taking us for granted
@@nathanielfarkas4431 exactly cause if the rumor was true the BBC actually took at least one episode away from him during flux that helped led to flux feeling like it’s jumbled mess and it didn’t help he didn’t shoot the season in episode order he shot in 2 batches and that made it feel like inconsistent quality throughout the season due to that cause the second batch of episodes was when the bbc meddled in the season
There's a post-Doctor Who interview about Hartnell where he states that acting is still a job. I'd assume he still acted cuz well, you need money. Pretty basic reason. I suppose he performed other projects in limited capacities based on his condition.
Maybe it was that he could work on a theatre with so much production and lines to rehearse and remember for a single play verse having to remember scripts for lots of episodes within a span of time and forgetting things would cause issues as film was expensive to shoot on.
Yeah, he could still perform, he just couldn't handle the ridiculous BBC schedule of filming shows so quickly. Unfortunately, by the time they got to the tenth anniversary, he couldn't even perform, his mind was just too far gone. The most we got was the scenes of him reading the lines off a cue card. I loved that man and his performance as The Doctor. I wish we could have gotten one last story from him.
Hartnell's cause of death was his illness, so I find that very unlikely. You have to remember that Doctor Who is infamous for keeping a difficult and tight schedule, so it's a much more demanding job than a lot of other acting would be. Doctor Who being more demanding than most jobs is something the vast majority of actors who played the Doctor have attested to at one point or another. You can imagine how Doctor Who would have been particularly difficult for Hartnell given his condition, in a way that other acting jobs likely weren't.
They’re already filming season 2 and season 3 is currently being written. Russell said he had 4 years of plans. So seems likely right now. Maybe not with Ncuti but I hope someone breaks the 3 year trend and that’s up to Ncuti right now
@@thewholook I think 3 years is probably the right amount of time for any Doctor to stick around. I'm not entirely sure why, but it seems like the filming for this show is far more grueling than most others. By the third year most Doctors start showing fatigue, and I don't think that is all acting on their part, rather it just gets written into the story to explain why (typically because they have gone through pure hell by then in the previous seasons story wise). I would almost prefer a rule that no actor stays more than 3 years. It does suck when one you love leaves, but on the other hand it gives the other fans who have found it difficult to get onboard with the current version a chance at another spin of the wheel so to speak.
@@rustybrooks8916 Only reason I feel like Ncuti will last longer is that seasons are only 8 episodes now rather than the 13, then 12, then 10 episodes that we used to get. They also seem to be getting through filming a lot quicker than past seasons, even quicker than Flux (6 episodes) got through (yeah I know they had to deal with Covid restrictions during that but still). Most of the Doctors had 2-3 months off a year from Doctor Who and a lot of the 2-3 months was promo for the show. Ncuti apparently had about 5 months away from Doctor Who so maybe that will help keep him going as well.
@@sola_is_chilling Ahh, that old nugget. Somebody said something I don't like therefore they must be a racist, a homophobe, or something. I didn't say anything about my tastes, I was referring to the fact both the shows watch figures and viewer ratings are dropping like a stone.
Colin had every right to refuse to come back for the regen scene after the diabolical way he was treated. Everyone pointed fingers at him when it wasn't his fault whatsoever. He's proved that he's an exceptional doctor through big finish. Id argue he has one of the deepest understandings of the character across all actors who've had the role.
One of the reasons that Doctor-lite episodes were created so that it gives the actor 1 episode basically off where they can usually try to either have a break or start on the Christmas special early
I'm sure it was all innocent and they just had the video planned similar time I made mine is all. Doubt they've seen my channel anyway 😅 It's bound to happen anyway with channels making content about the same thing
@@thewholookEllie one of the hosts used her personal channel to comment that the video was planned a week ago and was not copying. I admit I was confused when I saw the video title thinking “didn’t I watch this a few days back”
@@thewholook After Troughton I believe it became the norm and Tom was the big exception to that rule. Eccleston obviously only did one because of issues with the BBC at the time.
I'm pretty sure that Chris only left because he didn't entirely like how his character was written or the plans they had for his doctor but he left on mutual terms, the only reason he is angry with Russel is because as soon as it was announced he was leaving there was loads of reports misquoting him saying stuff like "he's getting tired" which lead to him being blacklisted and russel did nothing to defend him He thought by leaving the show he could easily move on to doing another show but the blacklisting ruined quite a bit of his career, because of that he's been spiteful toward doctor who but more specifically to russel and all the other higher ups during his time on the show I might be flubbing a lot of this but its what I've gathered from everyhting I've heard from interviews, someone apologised to him for how bad it was when filming and he told them that they don't need to apologise because that part wasn't even that bad
I would love it if you could point me to a source for this. I have looked for years to see if there was anything that explained this rift between them as I'm pretty sure they were friends and that was why he was brought on in the beginning.
@@rustybrooks8916 Eccleston had worked with RTD on a show called The Second Coming which he had enjoyed, so when he heard RTD was going to be doing Who he contacted him about it, thinking it would be a nice challenge to do something more family oriented. RTD, realising that getting such a respected actor in the lead role would lend the show the kind of legitimacy it had never really had before, agreed. Chris has never specifically said what caused him to leave but the general consensus is that something went drastically wrong during the first shooting block with Keith Boak (which I think was Rose and the Aliens of London 2-parter). The production had a lot of issues with time and budget and started spiralling out of control, at which point (apparently) Chris felt some of the cast and crew were being treated badly by Boak. At this point - and again this is all conjecture and reading between the lines - Chris felt he had to do something and took his concerns higher, whether to Julie Gardner and Phil Collinson or all the way up to RTD himself I don't know, and he wasn't happy with the response they gave. The shooting block finally finished up and Boak was never asked back, but the whole incident seems to have caused irreperable harm to Chris's trust in the production team. After giving it some thought he told them he didn't want to stay on, and given that Tennant was waiting in the wings and desperate to do it they let him go. Unfortunately while all this was going on the tabloids got hold of the story and went to the BBC for a comment. Someone at the BBC gave them a completely made-up reason for the departure, something to do with not wanting to be typecast. This only further infuriated Eccleston who was livid that the BBC were giving statements on his behalf without coming to him first. That was kind-of the final nail in the coffin and he has seemingly sworn off ever coming back, especially now the people who he felt let down by are back in charge. It's important to note that his ire seems to be entirely directed at RTD and the other producers. The show and the character he seems to have a lot of respect and affection for, hence why he's done so many fan events and agreed to work with BF lately. But as for the TV show, I think you've got more chance of seeing Pat Troughton back on it that Eccleston. Which is a real shame.
@@craigcharlesworth1538 this is wayy better than what I try to say lol I'm not the best for this kinda stuff, I just knew that his departure was a lot more complicated than what was said in the video but I couldn't remember the specifics
@@craigcharlesworth1538 I've heard something similar to that, although not to the level of detail you provided, but it seems impossible to verify. I don't really understand why he insists on being vague and kind of secretive about what exactly the problem was fully, or at least confirm what you just wrote as being the reason. When he says stuff like he would come back and do more Who, but only if RTD had absolutely not part of it makes it sound like there is a lot of beef there. I feel like his silence may have done more damage to his career than a bogus story about him being tired.
Obviously video creators can come up with the same ideas, but Who Culture doing this video only 4 days later is either a big coincidence or they saw this and decided to do their own. I won't say steal but it's weird.
Yeah I assume it’s just a coincidence, I checked it out when I was first told about it and saw a few comments from other people mentioning my video as well on the WhoCulture video. They’ve responded themselves saying they were working on the video for the week though and it was just a coincidence both channels did one. I doubt they even heard of me or my videos before this though tbf 😅
Yeah I heard about this. I think, as WhoCulture have claimed, it was just a coincidence. They claim they were working on it for a week (so a few days before mine went up). As I said before, I can only assume it was a coincidence we both did it, and I appreciate people who mentioned me over on the comment section as well having my back just in case. Doubt WhoCulture have even heard of my channel anyway 😅
@@thewholook yeah, it's just an unfortunate coincidence as WhoCulture's videos take a while to make and they would've had no idea another youtube channel was making a similar video.
@@hdhsjadsand3628 yes I did, I'm still failing to see how it's relevant. Unless he's talking about the mention of the doctor's daughter also being the doctor's wife, which still has no relevance.
The non real doctor pootie has already said he will only do 2 seasons and may leave after only one. What the hell has happened to the show? Even writers that brought good stories have turned nauseatingly woke...
@@friendlyotaku9525 I suppose it must be spelled for you. When a political ideology and agenda takes over creativity and talent, the story suffers. It is clearly what is going on with DW with all the RTD woke BS he's pushing through. The wheelchair stupidity and Davros. Donna's son who is acting like a girl... the fake gay doctor pooties AND the worst is how horribly they belittled Tannen with a moronic story. These wokeists have to destroy and take over what they will never earn...RESPECT. The show is history until or if real creative talent can bring it back to tell sci-fi stories for children and adults instead of political crap!
Genuine question, why? I liked her a lot but i feel like Chibnall did such a bad job leading doctor who that i find it hard to point at her version as a decent incarnation when she had no time to show much serious sides underneath the goofiness and the contradictions the writing made her have compared to the Doctors before her.
She’s said after she left that she’s open to returning in the future so I doubt we’ve seen the last of her, but not as a leading role. Though Russell claims he isn’t a fan of multi-doctor stories, although he’s already done one so clearly isn’t as bothered by them as he used to claim, he’s also not unfamiliar with writing for other revival doctors that weren’t his as he wrote for Matt Smiths Doctor
@@thewholook Well, he sort of wrote for Matt Smith, but at the same time he didn't. The regeneration process from 10th to 11th, that was written by Russell, but then after Matt Smith appears on screen for the first time, the last few seconds of the episode were written by Steven Moffat. This process would be repeated again in Peter Capaldi's regeneration into Jodie Whitaker scene when Chris Chibnall took over, as well as for Jodie's regeneration when Russell returned
This woke bullshit is going to kill the Dr. I have watched it for some 50+ yrs to see the show now being driven into the ground - Chris played a good Dr. and I wish he would have stayed longer but some of the production crew were idiots and Chris could see were it was going.... David and Matt also played the role well in the current version of the show but this latest one just feels Wrong. R.I.P Dr. at least I have the older ones that I can watch over and over again.
@markockwell cuz you only care about the politicalness of the show rather than the art itself.(and also those conservatives fliped the meaning of the past tense of awake)
Am I actually? I didn’t notice it with this one, the last video sure because of me fumbling a setting on my software but this one honestly surprised me 😅 I’ll try to slow it down in the future! Thanks for letting me know
"Leading Doctors"? There are only "leading" Doctors. If you don't have an era of the show where you are the main star of the series, then you aren't an actual "Doctor". You're just a guest-star in an episode. No need for this distinction. There are 15 Doctors only.
Just a fun factoid that Matt Smith did, in 2016 I believe, wished that he had stay on for an additional series as he enjoyed working with Jenna Coleman.
I was aware of that, and I would have loved that, but I think it was probably better overall that he did leave when he did.
@@rustybrooks8916 Yes, much as I would have enjoyed more 11 and Clara, I think it worked out for the best. Don't think Eleven would have bounced off Missy as well.
@@Dalek97 Hard to say, but the chemistry between her and 12 was undeniably excellent. I do wish 11 had gotten his own Master to play with though. I had a dream at that time, especially since both actors knew each other and were both Moffat adjacent, if they could have somehow worked Benedict Cumberbatch in as his Master. Of course, that would have demanded an entire rewrite of at least one whole series to accommodate such an awesome pairing.
@@rustybrooks8916omg Benedict yes. Now I wish we could see that
Factlet.
Fun fact about 14: The original plan was not three episodes. They could’ve done an entire series, if they could. But shooting schedules of Catherine Tate and David Tennant were too tight, and would’ve intersected another shows, so that’s why only three episodes
Well done explaining Hartnell's departure. The sugar coated version is that he decided to leave cos of his health, but fact is he was pushed out. And as for Troughton - I think it must have been an interview with Fraser where he said that Troughton's wife was pushing him to leave WHO and do some more "serious" acting... As much as I LOVE Troughton (ahh - note my channel name...!), I think 3 seasons worked for him.
I think we are only going to see 2 seasons with Ncuti, it means he will have been The Doctor for 3 years, but just 2 full seasons and 3 Xmas specials... time will reveal all!
To point out about five doctor episodes, 20th anniversary, as Tom Baker (4th doctor) never took part of Story, as we only had 1st doctor who play by Richard Hurndall While 2nd 3rd, 5th doctors were played by original actors.
The 1st doctor was only the doctor to be played by different 3 actors.
Speaking of different actors, obviously we got David Bradley play First Doctor after playing William Hartnell, would you like to see other actors take on other Doctors like this? Like if Reece Shearsmith played the Second Doctor at some point after he played Patrick in An Adventure in Space and Time.
@@thewholook with budget from disney I do like to see 2nd doctor lost episodes that could be remake played by different actors finish 2nd doctor story.
@@thewholookHonestly if they found just the right person I'd be ok with it, it's great to think we could see The Doctor at all points of his life (and them meeting each other) without much hassle, even just for some flashbacks when The Doctor's memories prove relevant to the story - But as much as it means we could have earlier Doctors "just as they were", I think it equally important to give each actor their time in the sun, unlike poor William Hartnell. Without it, we wouldn't get Tom Baker's contribution being honoured by appearing as The Curator, Peter Davison's 5 meeting Tennant's Ten, Colin Baker reprising 6 in Tales from the Tardis, which has all been lovely, and you could still have Sylvester McCoy's 7 and Paul McGann and 8 have some onscreen adventures yet! No need to replace them as yet
@@BattleshipWarspiteOh and I didn't think of the lost episodes, that would be a must! 😄
Imagine if they brought back when Doctor Who returned in 2005 with Paul McGann as a newly regenerated eighth doctor instead of a newly regenerated ninth.
That's exactly what I wish they had done, and what I spitballed for about 50,000 odd words in a fanfic once upon a time... I know he would have been fantastic...
From what I recall,Paul McGann was more than down to come back for the series as the 8th Doctor but I believe RTD wanted to have a clean slate
@@JohnCoon-tp7wv I presume at some point McGann has commented on this... But yes, as far as I'm aware, RTD only ever intended to use "his" Doctor, not McGann.
The Ninth doctor wasn't newly regenerated he'd been the doctor for ages by the time he meets rose. Who becomes his first real companion as before he'd always been running from his past & rose was the 1st person who actually made him stop running & start to properly face what he'd done. That's kinda shown by the whole Doctor fan guy & by obviously extended Media we've gotten since. Also I think part of why they didn't really bring McGann in was because he'd been the face of the doctor for most of the wilderness years along with the 5th, 6th & 7th doctors. Who became a part of the comics, books & Audio dramas of the era. So it was probably just that they wanted a new person to become the face of the new show. I think its also partly due to wanting the return to be rather secret until it was announced with the tapes being labelled Torchwood & the use of lesser known actors instead of ones who'd bring attention to the filming.
Imagine if Paul McGann was the War Doctor.
David tennants dream came true he is a life long doctor who fan who then became the best doctor ever
Best doctor? That would be a tie between Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi
@@Sillimant_ Excuse me, between Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker. But then the early Tom Baker theme still makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck.
Same with Peter capaldi! He even tried to become the president of the blue Peter doctor who fan club at one point I believe
I heard a different story with Tom Baker. At the nearing of the end of each season he would say that he's leaving because of the pay, but each time, the producers convinced him to stay and up his pay, but when JNT came along and Tom tried that, JNT said "Alright", and then went looking for a new Doctor. Tom Baker has later said that he regrets leaving because it was he loved doing that job. The bit about Lalla Ward being a reason for Tom Baker leaving is just false.
Sorry I could’ve been clearer as I didn’t actually mention it as I was supposed to, he clashed with co-stars on set but with Lalla it wasn’t he left because of her rather than apparently due to the producers being unhappy with the offscreen relationship they had together. I could’ve shown that a lot clearer! But the pay side of it is news to me as I never heard of that one so thanks for letting me know!
Didn't he have some kind of health crisis prior to and/or during the filming of Season Eighteen? I've a feeling that played into his departure as well.
@@phuttyyt yeah he did, no idea what the illness was, it was kept secret. JNT knew but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it caused him to lose some weight and his hair stopped being as curly so he had to had to have it curled in his last season.. so yeah that's another reason that played into it.
I think Matt Smith was also suffering from quite a nasty back condition as well towards the end of his run. In his final episode, when his Doctor was growing old, he was walking with a cane because he’d had a back surgery or something. I believe they wrote the episode around that.
Yeah he had a back injury as a kid, it resulted him ending his football career and becoming an actor instead, his football past was the whole reason why The Lodger included the football scenes of Matt playing. Hadn't heard of the back surgery part though so that's interesting
@@thewholook I just had a look and it was in fact his leg he injured prior to that episode, my mistake!
But yeah he has had a back issue for most of his life. Did well for himself playing an energetic role like that!
i think there's alot of gaps with capaldi at this point in time. Yes you could say he left as he didnt want a similar ressentiment that baker would harbor between a new show runner but i think thats just a surface level answer to keep good connections with bbc. But there's definitely alot of other claims from the inner production that he was asked to leave nicely as the bbc was getting cold feet with viewings getting progressively less through his tenure. Perhaps one day we'll get more solid answers but to claim that he simply just couldnt handle work load when the guy was previously working on multiple productions both abroad and in the uk and his lifelong dream was too much to handle? No way. Even currently his recent comments on him not going back because he doesnt beleive in multi-doctor stories when he himself appeared in one briefly... idk im curious if the show some does end for a while and its not a deal breaker for his acting maybe he'll discuss more about it. The moffat era in general is very shrouded in mystery in some regards.
They were concerned about ratings?
And they let chibnall have the reigns?
Fucking hell
@@Sillimant_ Chibby helmed broadchurch which was widely successful . I think the intention was good, he just can’t produce good sci-fi
I remember hearing somewhere that some of the showrunners in the BBC during 9 and 10’s era were apparently kind of rude about their northern and Scottish, respectively, accents, which is part of the reason 9 left and why 10 speaks in a London accent.
Idk if they had new showrunners during Capaldi’s era or if they just couldn’t manage to bully him out of it.
Davies was in charge during that era (as he is again now) and he basically asked David not to speak with Scottish accent and do the standard English that David had used before in other projects so that it wasn’t regionalised after 9th was “from the north” and David agreed with the decision
@@thewholook Thanks for the correction.
I think more than leaving with Chibnall it was that Jodie was first trimester pregnant when filming the specials and the she so was so close to having the baby when they started filming the 60th anniversary specials that it would’ve been hard to explain why the doctor now has a pregnant looking belly when she didn’t the last time we saw her and on the show it’s never really been stated how people on gallifrey reproduce even though there is highly accepted expanded universe explanation for it but it’s not show canon
I feel like if they both stayed we would’ve had 1 special instead of 3, a massive multidoctor story where Jodie would be pushed aside so she can have a more minimal role due to the pregnancy and then a proper series later on when she was back, but it was the right time to make a change either way I think. Even then they announced their departures months before she got pregnant so was just good timing
@@thewholook that is possible but I also feel that power of the doctor does feel like a better anniversary special then the 3 we actually got for the anniversary specials especially internationally cause I’m in America and we got no tales of the tardis no unleashed and no consolation of the series on one platform now we have it broke up on multiple platforms the anniversary specials feel more like a celebration of season 4 even though they are still good specials it’s like they want an international audience on paper but will not make all content available to all fans and i know the show is British first but this era feels like they are already taking us for granted
From what Chibnall said covid really ruined doctor who for him and made it not fun to film
@@nathanielfarkas4431 exactly cause if the rumor was true the BBC actually took at least one episode away from him during flux that helped led to flux feeling like it’s jumbled mess and it didn’t help he didn’t shoot the season in episode order he shot in 2 batches and that made it feel like inconsistent quality throughout the season due to that cause the second batch of episodes was when the bbc meddled in the season
Jodie announced she was leaving LONG before that happened.
Since there was a timelord metacrisis in "The Stolen Earth/ Journeys End", there are actually THREE David Tennant Doctors running around now. Not two.
man, 3 seasons is such a throwaway
The modernwho or neowho?
Some people have questioned whether Hartnell was really as ill as he let on, as he apparently went straight back into theatre work after leaving.
There's a post-Doctor Who interview about Hartnell where he states that acting is still a job. I'd assume he still acted cuz well, you need money. Pretty basic reason. I suppose he performed other projects in limited capacities based on his condition.
Considering it was the illness which eventually killed him, I'd say that conjecture is incorrect. Just in my opinion.
Maybe it was that he could work on a theatre with so much production and lines to rehearse and remember for a single play verse having to remember scripts for lots of episodes within a span of time and forgetting things would cause issues as film was expensive to shoot on.
Yeah, he could still perform, he just couldn't handle the ridiculous BBC schedule of filming shows so quickly. Unfortunately, by the time they got to the tenth anniversary, he couldn't even perform, his mind was just too far gone. The most we got was the scenes of him reading the lines off a cue card. I loved that man and his performance as The Doctor. I wish we could have gotten one last story from him.
Hartnell's cause of death was his illness, so I find that very unlikely. You have to remember that Doctor Who is infamous for keeping a difficult and tight schedule, so it's a much more demanding job than a lot of other acting would be. Doctor Who being more demanding than most jobs is something the vast majority of actors who played the Doctor have attested to at one point or another. You can imagine how Doctor Who would have been particularly difficult for Hartnell given his condition, in a way that other acting jobs likely weren't.
great video but just to point out one mistake you made, pertwee did 5 seasons not 4
You’re absolutely right, I have no idea why I said 4!
Was about to comment the same thing lol
Ncuti Gatwa is going to do four (or more) years? I can't see the show still being around by then.
They’re already filming season 2 and season 3 is currently being written. Russell said he had 4 years of plans. So seems likely right now. Maybe not with Ncuti but I hope someone breaks the 3 year trend and that’s up to Ncuti right now
@@thewholook I think 3 years is probably the right amount of time for any Doctor to stick around. I'm not entirely sure why, but it seems like the filming for this show is far more grueling than most others. By the third year most Doctors start showing fatigue, and I don't think that is all acting on their part, rather it just gets written into the story to explain why (typically because they have gone through pure hell by then in the previous seasons story wise). I would almost prefer a rule that no actor stays more than 3 years. It does suck when one you love leaves, but on the other hand it gives the other fans who have found it difficult to get onboard with the current version a chance at another spin of the wheel so to speak.
@@rustybrooks8916 Only reason I feel like Ncuti will last longer is that seasons are only 8 episodes now rather than the 13, then 12, then 10 episodes that we used to get. They also seem to be getting through filming a lot quicker than past seasons, even quicker than Flux (6 episodes) got through (yeah I know they had to deal with Covid restrictions during that but still). Most of the Doctors had 2-3 months off a year from Doctor Who and a lot of the 2-3 months was promo for the show. Ncuti apparently had about 5 months away from Doctor Who so maybe that will help keep him going as well.
Why? Is there too much representation for you to be ok with?
@@sola_is_chilling Ahh, that old nugget. Somebody said something I don't like therefore they must be a racist, a homophobe, or something. I didn't say anything about my tastes, I was referring to the fact both the shows watch figures and viewer ratings are dropping like a stone.
Colin had every right to refuse to come back for the regen scene after the diabolical way he was treated. Everyone pointed fingers at him when it wasn't his fault whatsoever. He's proved that he's an exceptional doctor through big finish. Id argue he has one of the deepest understandings of the character across all actors who've had the role.
God damn, that workload seems really rough
One of the reasons that Doctor-lite episodes were created so that it gives the actor 1 episode basically off where they can usually try to either have a break or start on the Christmas special early
Jon pertwee did the show for 5 seasons
Yeah I misspoke like an idiot 😅 and then didn’t even catch my mistake when I edited it 🤦♂️
Jon Pertwee (3rd Dr) actually did 5 seasons, not 4.
I honestly thought why some of them left was due to old age
Did Whats Cultures, who culture channel just rip off this video only 4 days after it was published?
It's the business of TH-cam content creators, it is getting hard to find videos which are not just plagiarism copies of others in general
I'm sure it was all innocent and they just had the video planned similar time I made mine is all. Doubt they've seen my channel anyway 😅 It's bound to happen anyway with channels making content about the same thing
I noticed this, although it lacks the charm of the one the who look made.
@@thewholookEllie one of the hosts used her personal channel to comment that the video was planned a week ago and was not copying.
I admit I was confused when I saw the video title thinking “didn’t I watch this a few days back”
Is it seriously a coincidence that every actor since Eccleston had a three-season era?
Does seem strange, it feels like the norm now though, another reason I hope that the 3 series trend gets broken
It's a rule a number of them have followed, known as the 'Troughton-rule' where they only stay for 3 series
@@thewholook After Troughton I believe it became the norm and Tom was the big exception to that rule. Eccleston obviously only did one because of issues with the BBC at the time.
1:20: Jon Pertwee did *five* seasons, not 4.
1970 (with Liz)
1971 (Jo)
1972 (Jo)
Dec 1972 - 1973 (Jo; opens with 3 Doctors)
1974 (Sarah Jane!)
How about Benedict Cumberbatch as the Doctor.
I'm pretty sure that Chris only left because he didn't entirely like how his character was written or the plans they had for his doctor but he left on mutual terms, the only reason he is angry with Russel is because as soon as it was announced he was leaving there was loads of reports misquoting him saying stuff like "he's getting tired" which lead to him being blacklisted and russel did nothing to defend him
He thought by leaving the show he could easily move on to doing another show but the blacklisting ruined quite a bit of his career, because of that he's been spiteful toward doctor who but more specifically to russel and all the other higher ups during his time on the show
I might be flubbing a lot of this but its what I've gathered from everyhting I've heard from interviews, someone apologised to him for how bad it was when filming and he told them that they don't need to apologise because that part wasn't even that bad
He deserved it, Chris sucked
I would love it if you could point me to a source for this. I have looked for years to see if there was anything that explained this rift between them as I'm pretty sure they were friends and that was why he was brought on in the beginning.
@@rustybrooks8916 Eccleston had worked with RTD on a show called The Second Coming which he had enjoyed, so when he heard RTD was going to be doing Who he contacted him about it, thinking it would be a nice challenge to do something more family oriented. RTD, realising that getting such a respected actor in the lead role would lend the show the kind of legitimacy it had never really had before, agreed. Chris has never specifically said what caused him to leave but the general consensus is that something went drastically wrong during the first shooting block with Keith Boak (which I think was Rose and the Aliens of London 2-parter). The production had a lot of issues with time and budget and started spiralling out of control, at which point (apparently) Chris felt some of the cast and crew were being treated badly by Boak.
At this point - and again this is all conjecture and reading between the lines - Chris felt he had to do something and took his concerns higher, whether to Julie Gardner and Phil Collinson or all the way up to RTD himself I don't know, and he wasn't happy with the response they gave. The shooting block finally finished up and Boak was never asked back, but the whole incident seems to have caused irreperable harm to Chris's trust in the production team. After giving it some thought he told them he didn't want to stay on, and given that Tennant was waiting in the wings and desperate to do it they let him go.
Unfortunately while all this was going on the tabloids got hold of the story and went to the BBC for a comment. Someone at the BBC gave them a completely made-up reason for the departure, something to do with not wanting to be typecast. This only further infuriated Eccleston who was livid that the BBC were giving statements on his behalf without coming to him first. That was kind-of the final nail in the coffin and he has seemingly sworn off ever coming back, especially now the people who he felt let down by are back in charge.
It's important to note that his ire seems to be entirely directed at RTD and the other producers. The show and the character he seems to have a lot of respect and affection for, hence why he's done so many fan events and agreed to work with BF lately. But as for the TV show, I think you've got more chance of seeing Pat Troughton back on it that Eccleston. Which is a real shame.
@@craigcharlesworth1538 this is wayy better than what I try to say lol
I'm not the best for this kinda stuff, I just knew that his departure was a lot more complicated than what was said in the video but I couldn't remember the specifics
@@craigcharlesworth1538 I've heard something similar to that, although not to the level of detail you provided, but it seems impossible to verify. I don't really understand why he insists on being vague and kind of secretive about what exactly the problem was fully, or at least confirm what you just wrote as being the reason. When he says stuff like he would come back and do more Who, but only if RTD had absolutely not part of it makes it sound like there is a lot of beef there. I feel like his silence may have done more damage to his career than a bogus story about him being tired.
Obviously video creators can come up with the same ideas, but Who Culture doing this video only 4 days later is either a big coincidence or they saw this and decided to do their own. I won't say steal but it's weird.
Yeah I assume it’s just a coincidence, I checked it out when I was first told about it and saw a few comments from other people mentioning my video as well on the WhoCulture video. They’ve responded themselves saying they were working on the video for the week though and it was just a coincidence both channels did one. I doubt they even heard of me or my videos before this though tbf 😅
hey btw I'm pretty sure whoculture just blatantly plagiarised your video idea and just remade it, it came out yesterday :/
Yeah I heard about this. I think, as WhoCulture have claimed, it was just a coincidence. They claim they were working on it for a week (so a few days before mine went up). As I said before, I can only assume it was a coincidence we both did it, and I appreciate people who mentioned me over on the comment section as well having my back just in case. Doubt WhoCulture have even heard of my channel anyway 😅
@@thewholook yeah, it's just an unfortunate coincidence as WhoCulture's videos take a while to make and they would've had no idea another youtube channel was making a similar video.
Jon Pertwee stayed for five seasons...
Yes he did! Just a mistake I didn't pick up on whilst editing
1:35 you need to speak more slowly, can hardly understand what you're saying!
On it! Thanks for the advice
I hope Ncuti does four seasons, the three season trend really needs to be broken. Plus Ncuti is absolutely killing it as the Doctor, he's so good!
Plenty of RTD stills in this video to use as dartboards... ;-P
The doctor’s wife is an episode in series 6
how is that in any way relevant
@@barple3678:43
@@barple367did you watch the whole video, including the end bit
@@hdhsjadsand3628 yes I did, I'm still failing to see how it's relevant.
Unless he's talking about the mention of the doctor's daughter also being the doctor's wife, which still has no relevance.
@@barple367 Forget it, You don't get the reference
The non real doctor pootie has already said he will only do 2 seasons and may leave after only one. What the hell has happened to the show? Even writers that brought good stories have turned nauseatingly woke...
he never said that and Doctor Who IS and has always been "woke"
@@friendlyotaku9525 yes but never at this nauseating level.
@@WhiteDragon689 "nauseating level" what's nauseating about it?
@@friendlyotaku9525 I suppose it must be spelled for you. When a political ideology and agenda takes over creativity and talent, the story suffers. It is clearly what is going on with DW with all the RTD woke BS he's pushing through. The wheelchair stupidity and Davros. Donna's son who is acting like a girl... the fake gay doctor pooties AND the worst is how horribly they belittled Tannen with a moronic story. These wokeists have to destroy and take over what they will never earn...RESPECT. The show is history until or if real creative talent can bring it back to tell sci-fi stories for children and adults instead of political crap!
I think they ment 'not safe for conservatives'
I'm so sad! I really want Jodie to be back!😢
She is my favorite Doctor!
I would love to have a second trip with her and with her companions!😭
Genuine question, why? I liked her a lot but i feel like Chibnall did such a bad job leading doctor who that i find it hard to point at her version as a decent incarnation when she had no time to show much serious sides underneath the goofiness and the contradictions the writing made her have compared to the Doctors before her.
She’s said after she left that she’s open to returning in the future so I doubt we’ve seen the last of her, but not as a leading role.
Though Russell claims he isn’t a fan of multi-doctor stories, although he’s already done one so clearly isn’t as bothered by them as he used to claim, he’s also not unfamiliar with writing for other revival doctors that weren’t his as he wrote for Matt Smiths Doctor
@@thewholook Well, he sort of wrote for Matt Smith, but at the same time he didn't. The regeneration process from 10th to 11th, that was written by Russell, but then after Matt Smith appears on screen for the first time, the last few seconds of the episode were written by Steven Moffat. This process would be repeated again in Peter Capaldi's regeneration into Jodie Whitaker scene when Chris Chibnall took over, as well as for Jodie's regeneration when Russell returned
@@jackwilkinson4911 ah no I actually meant Russell wrote the SJA episodes that 11 appeared in, not Doctor Who I know but same universe, same character
@@thewholookOh right, I forgot about the Sarah Jane Adventures, my bad
This woke bullshit is going to kill the Dr. I have watched it for some 50+ yrs to see the show now being driven into the ground - Chris played a good Dr. and I wish he would have stayed longer but some of the production crew were idiots and Chris could see were it was going.... David and Matt also played the role well in the current version of the show but this latest one just feels Wrong. R.I.P Dr. at least I have the older ones that I can watch over and over again.
You dropped your mini 🎻 😂😂😂
Doctor Who is and has always been woke, where you been?
@markockwell cuz you only care about the politicalness of the show rather than the art itself.(and also those conservatives fliped the meaning of the past tense of awake)
The latest Doctor won't go beyond two seasons.
We will see....
Dude, can you talk any faster?
Am I actually? I didn’t notice it with this one, the last video sure because of me fumbling a setting on my software but this one honestly surprised me 😅 I’ll try to slow it down in the future! Thanks for letting me know
"Leading Doctors"? There are only "leading" Doctors. If you don't have an era of the show where you are the main star of the series, then you aren't an actual "Doctor". You're just a guest-star in an episode. No need for this distinction. There are 15 Doctors only.
Are you referring to the bbc canon?