The Authentic Christian is something I am waking up with. It is so easy to get distracted and turn on the news or secular music in the morning. These topics need to be refreshed in our minds as Christians year after year. This is a tough part of Christianity. We had this happen three years ago. A young mother of four young boys was unfaithful to her husband. She would not reconcile, she moved out and it split the family. Her husband went to her and confronted her, the elders gently went to her, she rejected them and then we were all told about it. We were told to reach out and plead. No response. One Sunday the preacher said that we were disfellowshipping her. We had a childless couple who had her in their house on a FB video. I don't know if this is still going on, but this couple was wrong to have fellowship with her. I think that this may be a reason there is some spiritual sickness in our church. If we FAIL at this, the church will become spiritually sick. My best illustration is parents with a child who is behaving against the family. Do you let them carry out their errant behavior? Do you not guide or correct them? If that child is allowed to continue on in those modes their rebellion will lead them to emotional damage, jail time and Lord forbid it, destruction. There is someone I am close to that had this happen to them. Those of us around this person came to a point where we had to say "My help is not helping you anymore". We had to loose this person. They did come around, but not all the way. I do not have fellowship with this person unless they are willing to come back to the family minus the behaviors. They spend their Sunday's helping someone who has a dying husband. Is this wrong? no, but we are called to worship on that day. They deny, refuse and have a severe lack of faith by doing this. They have the time to worship and could spend all week at the friends house. Is it cruel for the rest of us to with hold fellowship with that person? No. In that current mode, without the bond with other Christians this person has a HIGH RISK of falling away again. Jesus said "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". It was tough with this person, but we cannot dilute our faith and our walk in the name of someone that is close to us. Thank you Aaron, Scott and Tucker. Hebrews 10 is spot on......
The difference between todays cancel culture and biblical church discipline is, those who get cancelled are hated and not welcomed even if they change, but those who fall under church discipline are loved and welcomed with joy when they change.
Great episode. This is my favorite show on GBN. I watch it once to get the drift off what is being taught, then watch it a second time to take notes for personal study.
Great discussion as always! Church discipline is certainly one of the most controversial, touchy issues because of its confrontational nature and its mishandling. It must be done for the right reason, for the right things, and be done the right way or the local church will further lose her ability to reach out to others. I wish the cases of mishandling were brought up since certain congregations have abused the Scriptures and purposes of church discipline. I know of cases where a person did something to be rightly disfellowshiped, but the congregation did not follow the Matt. 18:15-18 protocol. Also, many cases were not done out of a spirit of love, but of prejudice or favoritism. In the Donahue episode cited, bro. Garland and the other brethren did well to scripturally defend church discipline. However, what the lawyer described about the church secretary first hearing about the situation, how it was relayed to the elders and what they did, makes me question if they followed protocol. It also disturbed me that the congregation went though with a public disfellowship though she withdrew herself. Not to mention, how the other parents told their kids to treat her kids. Her kids did not deserve to be treated with contempt for their mother's wrongdoing. However, they were wrong to condone their mom's actions as shown. 1 Cor. 5 makes it clear that disfellowshiping should only happen to someone claiming to be a brother who is actively sinning. So, if a brother or sister no longer calls him/herself part of the church, it should nullify the process. A Gal. 6:1 approach should then be taken instead of a Matt. 18 one. Yet, I'm glad you guys mentioned holding elders accountable. All the church leaders are not exempt from discipline. Seeing how different congregations reacted during the pandemic has made me realize that we need to re-examine the role of an elder. It appears some have been trying to "lord themselves over the flock" and have been doing so long before the virus. Yet, overall, good work!
There is not one example of anyone in the Bible being saved by what the think, feel or believe. God sets the standard for what is right and what is wrong.
Do a video on eating in the church and or having a kitchen in the church or in a separate building that the church treasurey maintains the that builing
The Authentic Christian is something I am waking up with. It is so easy to get distracted and turn on the news or secular music in the morning. These topics need to be refreshed in our minds as Christians year after year. This is a tough part of Christianity. We had this happen three years ago. A young mother of four young boys was unfaithful to her husband. She would not reconcile, she moved out and it split the family. Her husband went to her and confronted her, the elders gently went to her, she rejected them and then we were all told about it. We were told to reach out and plead. No response. One Sunday the preacher said that we were disfellowshipping her. We had a childless couple who had her in their house on a FB video. I don't know if this is still going on, but this couple was wrong to have fellowship with her. I think that this may be a reason there is some spiritual sickness in our church. If we FAIL at this, the church will become spiritually sick. My best illustration is parents with a child who is behaving against the family. Do you let them carry out their errant behavior? Do you not guide or correct them? If that child is allowed to continue on in those modes their rebellion will lead them to emotional damage, jail time and Lord forbid it, destruction. There is someone I am close to that had this happen to them. Those of us around this person came to a point where we had to say "My help is not helping you anymore". We had to loose this person. They did come around, but not all the way. I do not have fellowship with this person unless they are willing to come back to the family minus the behaviors. They spend their Sunday's helping someone who has a dying husband. Is this wrong? no, but we are called to worship on that day. They deny, refuse and have a severe lack of faith by doing this. They have the time to worship and could spend all week at the friends house. Is it cruel for the rest of us to with hold fellowship with that person? No. In that current mode, without the bond with other Christians this person has a HIGH RISK of falling away again. Jesus said "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". It was tough with this person, but we cannot dilute our faith and our walk in the name of someone that is close to us. Thank you Aaron, Scott and Tucker. Hebrews 10 is spot on......
The difference between todays cancel culture and biblical church discipline is, those who get cancelled are hated and not welcomed even if they change, but those who fall under church discipline are loved and welcomed with joy when they change.
Great episode. This is my favorite show on GBN. I watch it once to get the drift off what is being taught, then watch it a second time to take notes for personal study.
Excellent
Great dialogue here. Another good one!
Great discussion as always!
Church discipline is certainly one of the most controversial, touchy issues because of its confrontational nature and its mishandling.
It must be done for the right reason, for the right things, and be done the right way or the local church will further lose her ability to reach out to others.
I wish the cases of mishandling were brought up since certain congregations have abused the Scriptures and purposes of church discipline. I know of cases where a person did something to be rightly disfellowshiped, but the congregation did not follow the Matt. 18:15-18 protocol. Also, many cases were not done out of a spirit of love, but of prejudice or favoritism.
In the Donahue episode cited, bro. Garland and the other brethren did well to scripturally defend church discipline. However, what the lawyer described about the church secretary first hearing about the situation, how it was relayed to the elders and what they did, makes me question if they followed protocol. It also disturbed me that the congregation went though with a public disfellowship though she withdrew herself. Not to mention, how the other parents told their kids to treat her kids. Her kids did not deserve to be treated with contempt for their mother's wrongdoing. However, they were wrong to condone their mom's actions as shown.
1 Cor. 5 makes it clear that disfellowshiping should only happen to someone claiming to be a brother who is actively sinning. So, if a brother or sister no longer calls him/herself part of the church, it should nullify the process. A Gal. 6:1 approach should then be taken instead of a Matt. 18 one.
Yet, I'm glad you guys mentioned holding elders accountable. All the church leaders are not exempt from discipline. Seeing how different congregations reacted during the pandemic has made me realize that we need to re-examine the role of an elder. It appears some have been trying to "lord themselves over the flock" and have been doing so long before the virus.
Yet, overall, good work!
There is not one example of anyone in the Bible being saved by what the think, feel or believe. God sets the standard for what is right and what is wrong.
Random question about GBN resources: Is the Daily Lift available on the app? If so, can you share how to access it?
Do a video on eating in the church and or having a kitchen in the church or in a separate building that the church treasurey maintains the that builing
The eating in the church request I add based on 1 cor chapter 11