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I thought this was obvious. In Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub Zero it was kinda clear Bi Han had morals
You'd be surprised how many people tell me I'm wrong about bi han being a Dick but never fully evil
No one played mythologies, and for a good reason. If they could eventually adapt it into a comic or something, it could be more mainstream.
@@Eduardesuper Or make a remaster. I think it definitely had potential. The comics are somewhat more niche I feel.
@@darthmisogyny3828 Those people have probably never played a Mortal Kombat game before MK9. Or they played the original three and completely skipped MK 4 and the 3-D era.
>Hanzo begs for mercy
>rips his head off lmao
>gets duped by Quan Chi, puts all of Earthrealm in jeopardy
>has to get browbeaten into doing the right thing and fix his own screwup
>morals
What morals? Where? :v
I've always felt like Bi-han had to be a good brother for Kuai Liang considering the young Sub-Zero went through the trouble of avenging him in both continuities.
My headcanon is that Bi-han wanted to kill Shang Tsung in MK1 so that he would get that bounty and run off with Kuai Liang and provide him a peaceful life through the money and reputation he has made for himself
Unbelievable Snake. Obviously everyone is talking about the live action evil version of Bi-Han smh XD
Nah, that's me, soon, in my new Kombat Theory short.
@@The4thSnake I remember my dad watched that movie and began thinking of Bi-Han as this absolute despicable villian with no good traits at all due to the 2021 Mortal Kombat movie, i had to explain the actual MK lore to my dad because that movie highly missinforms the facts about the characters.
That movie was fan service to Ed Boon cause the director knew he couldn't get enough of his Boyfriend Scorpion.
Now it's on game too, cool
Bi-han fit the anti-hero alignment but a much darker version. Motivated by self-preservation, though was capable of heroic deeds. Combined with his abrasive and a few redeeming personality traits as well.
Yep Bi-Han is the perfect character for an anti-hero archetype. Specifically the ‘does the right thing for the wrong reason’ kind of character.
Miss how Bi Han used to be this multi-dimensional character, he used to have so much mystery as to exactly what his character was and so much untapped potential for who he could have been if he had not become Noob Saibot, and there was so much potential for a Kuai Liang seeking to save his brother from his horrible fate.
But then the writers just kept ignoring him and only dragged him into games cause fans love him.
Human Bi-Han was always intended to be a morally grey character even in the original MK from 1992.
Hard to ever forget Bi-Han's morality if you're familiar with Sareena
Literally, sareena is the living proof that bi-han had some type of morality and Kuai-liang pursuit of honor for his brother redemption in the Original timeline.
Then there’s the fact that the man tried to leave the clan so he could cleanse his soul but was killed before he could.
How could I if she only ever mattered in Mythologies? She only made two playable appearances and one of them was for a GBA port.
@@_insomniac_423 well her character didnt matter but bi hans actions towards her did especially when u spare her and even if u account the ending where he kills her he still saves earthrealm indicating he does give a shit about his realm instead of being evil and risking his realm for the dragon army
So disappointed they made Bi Han evil again in MK1 😵💫
His not fully evil. His against Shang tsung experiments and killing children
In all fairness they had to do it to give us back the rivalry that MK always advertised. And I guess they wanted to make it seem stronger by making Sub-Zero and Scorpion actual brothers and originate from the same clan
Well…that’s his character so….
Bi han has always been a dick tbh
@@bn-tc2tkdid you not watch the video?
Scorpion: "You took everything from me!"
Bi-Han: "I don't even know you?"
At the very least, I now have an appreciation for Bi-Han as a complicated guy who really needs a redemption arc
I don't think this Bi-Han is evil his intro "it is better now that we serve ourselves" suggest that he cares about his clan he wants them to be self reliant and strong of couse it also suggests that he wants more power enough power to stand above the rest but obviously cares about his people
Yes. He’s just a leader who wants his clan to stop being second fiddle, that’s all.
Well even then he has an intro in MK1 where he is shown to be horrified by Shang Tsung’s experiments so he’s not unforgivably evil, just heading down a dark path!
I do think his ambition it's definitely way higher than most other timelines. He wants to become a Titan
My only problem with the story of Bi Han is they turn him into a different character and don't expand on it at all. They make him into another henchmen for the bigger villains, but it's obvious that his has motivations of his own. He's not like the others. He's always been seen as a very powerful and mysterious character but nothing ever happened. If the writers won't make Noob follow through with his goals and just make him a background character even though he has so much potential to be bigger, than at least follow through with Kuai Liangs story to cure Bi Han to get his brother back. In his mk11 dialogue, he talks about the circumstances that made him into Noob. Let him pursue his goals: Getting revenge on Scorpion for killing him, getting revenge of Quan chi for framing him. There is so much potential for development to make a great story for Bi Han and it pains me to see this character go to waste.
have him be a neutral character for ffs and not just a gatekeeper to get washed by our good guys for the 1000th time, dude got humilated as noob in the past timeline by jacqui of all people who herself lost to goofballs like ferra torr smh
Alive Bi Han was an assassin for hire. It was simply his living. Had Raiden hired him, he would’ve done his job. The only people who think he’s always been evil are the popular shills who probably weren’t around for the early midway games.
the typical older brotherly rivals was a good way to put it. but Bi-Han was definitely born anew as Noob. his mk deception ending was my taking point. especially with him killing his old "self" and his brother who was his last connection to that.
And they even kinda tied it back to his showing his compassion in Mythologies. Sareena arrives and saves Sub-Zero from getting killed there canonically. Because of Bi Han's compassion (which was stripped from him), he saved his brother down the line. Obviously, not intended, but when you think about it, it's really cool.
So, as someone who watched the story... you're gonna be dissapointed about Bi-Han, Snake, just so you know.
Oh I know I was devastated
@@Zaire_39same 😔
Their writing for Bi Han was an utter tragedy 😞
@@pt7930 how Bi-Han can never get redemption but hanzo can despite Hanzo being objectively worse than Bi-Han will always astound me
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
I'm glad you're committed to calling the game "Mortal One Kombat"
I mean, that's what it says on the box.
@The4thSnake Technically, MK11 did as well, but it makes sense to distinguish this new game as such in order to differentiate it from the first game.
In my mind these games are: "Mortal Jeden Kombat" (MK1) and "Mortal Jedenaście Kombat" (MK11). I'm Polish.
Bi-han was a ruthless assassin and probably cared more for for the future of the Lin Kuei than for the good of Earthrealm. However, I find it hard to believe he would be needlessly cruel to his brother, his expected heir. Hard, certainly, but he would want him to excel, to showcase the best of their clan's strength. I can see them arguing over the future of the clan, Bi-han worrying over his brother's morality making him weak, but not him actively hating him from the start.
I've always thought this, story wise it's so much more tragic to see an innocent man brutally slaughtered for a crime he didn't commit, i also find it strange that Kuai Liang doesn't realize his brother is brainwashed, and hates him now and sides with the guy who was blind with vengeance and murdered his innocent brother ? To me the ultimate wasted plotline is Kuai Liang and a reformed scorpion trying to restore bi han. Scorpion should have died at the hands of noob saibot, but is okay with it because he's THE ONE WHO MURDERED BI HAN FOR NO REASON. absolute waste of 3 characters who had such potential for a tragic/heartfelt storyline.
never viewed him as evil but just a ruthless assassin. his brother is more human while he is just on the job. he has his own code of honor which is the lin kuei above himself while his brother put family above the clan.
I've said this for years. People really judge morality black and white. Morality has shades of grey as well. As my favorite character I relate with him. As a bit of a tortured soul. I get his personality 100%.
I think Kuai Liang also rejecting his brother in MK 11 and labeling him as a lost cause also contributed to the unfair judgement of Bi-Han's character. But that's just bad writing in MK 11's story
Or it was just the…years and years of Noob trying to kill him and rejecting him as well lmaooo
It's funny, both in the story and in his dialogues with Noob, Kuai Liang rejects his brother and says that he is a lost cause, but in his dialogues with Fujin he says that he wants to save Bi-Han. How bipolar was MK11's Kuai Liang .-.
I hope the next game re-rails Bi-Han's characterization to be closer to how he was in the older timelines; still a prick but a prick with standards
If Jin Kazama from Tekken can be redeemed, the same can be done for Bi-Han
That would mean putting effort in which they won’t. Also, why is that Bi-Han can’t get redemption but Hanzo can despite doing far worse than Bi-Han?
I don't really see Bi-Han as evil in the new timeline, so I don't know why everyone thinks he is based off the few dialogue we get from pre-fights in 1. If anything, what Bi-Han is doing in 1 is what he feels is best for the Lin Kuei even if others disagree with him. In every timeline, it's all what he did before his soul was corrupted into Noob Saibot after death. It seems like it's a case of the community making Bi-Han out to be a villain because they want to see the villains already
Bi-Han arguing that the Lin Kuei settling for being defenders rather then leaders of Earth realm is what based for the Clan? Plus the pre-dialogue is important enough to let us know Bi-Han is clearly being a lot more ruthless with his actions costing lives as Liu Kang says, plus he him wanting what is inside the Temple of Elements doesn’t give off any type of good intentions. It’s obvious where NRS is going with Bi-Han.
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There's a stark difference between ruthless and evil. Bi-Han has always had a ruthless streak in the games he has appeared as Sub-Zero by the very nature of the Lin Kuei being a clan of assassins. The dialogue with Johnny Cage implied that he was on less than good terms with his father, almost as if thinking about his him brought him pain. We won't know where he would fall until the game releases, but this iteration of Bi-Han strikes me more as troubled and wanting to free himself from generational trauma by any means necessary than being evil
I think he's essentially Neutral, but that neutrality may be construed as being on the darker side due to the setting he's in. I mean, in a world where it's normal to kill someone in a fight, Liu Kang is seen as a paragon while still having a body count
He’s probably gonna be a twist villain traitor or something
Hope not tho
Finger's crossed lad
bi han is a child soldier, so darkness was forced on, him... he most likely took on more morally ambigiuos missions simply to protect kuai liang, and all that messes with your mind. is isnt straight evil more of a lawful version. and quan chi just brought that part out to the front like how scorpion is hanzo's darkest emotions....since those 2 became so strong chi didn't do the same to the others
I’ve never really got people believing the revenants when they say they like being evil. The only corrupted character that didn’t talk about enjoying it was Scorpion. Jax as a revenant said he loved it! But when he’s back to normal that time haunts him, and nobody questions his sincerity.
Bi-Han was a ruthless killer, noted for his efficacy. He was one of the Lin Kuei’s best fighters, and the best fighter before his death. He was not a very good person, but he was NOT evil yet. He had arrogance and pride, yes, but also honor, compassion and a capacity for mercy.
The new game comes out in a few weeks so we will see if I’m right, but I suspect Bi-Han will be an antagonist in the since his pride and ambition lead him astray. He talks about wanting to do more for Earthrealm than just waiting to protect it. He doesn’t want rule it (yet), but his ego wants a bigger role. This could lead him to the path of corruption and death like previous timelines, or it could be his brother dies instead and he is snapped out of his quest and feels guilt. ( if Kuai Liang becomes Noob Saibot that could be intresting.
I don’t mind him being a jerk, but he was NOT evil until his death. Except for the film, he was definitely evil there. And maybe this new timeline.
Unfortunately Ed Boon with his bias reasons made Bi-Han's new MK 1 variation more into Sektor instead of the Bi-Han from the last 2 timelines. Once again he stripes everything that made the Zero brothers stand out & awesome in their own way & gaved it all to Scorpion in this variation. People don't understand Bi-Han wasn't evil to begin with from the last 2 timelines he had morals but with him being an assassin there's always going to be impurity from that line of work. Bi-Han when he was transformed into Noob was stripped from any emotions & brainwashed by Quan Chi which destroyed any little amount of good & compassion within him. People really need to do their homework because non of these ninjas were by any means innocent since majority of em were assassins especially Scorpion isn't so innocent as well. Too bad the writing in MK has gone down ever since John Tobias is hardly involved with game lore because Boon & his writers clearly can't stay consistent but only with certain characters Scorpion being one smh.
Gotta agree. It seemed like MK9, X, and 11 couldn't quite make Bi-Han evil because the events of Mythologies still existed as well as Kuai Liang's desires to save him as the second Sub-Zero. MK9, he was a dick but is killed because of something he actually hasn't done to Hanzo. MKX, Sareena aids Earthrealm due to Bi-Han's actions while Kuai Liang finally absolved Bi-Han of the accusations Hanzo believed him to have done. MK11, even after all that, Kuai Liang still wants to save Bi-Han's soul even if it's the most questionable act he'll commit to do so.
...So MK1 completely wipes that part of Bi-Han clean and let his darkness grew so he can be hated proper. Even then, I bet they'll eventually write Kuai Liang as wanting to save Bi-Han again despite all he did because of course, he's the "good" Sub-Zero at heart. Not too disappointed but yeah.
@DevilPogoStick Thank God you get the character. I ain't giving Ed Boon the benefit of the doubt anymore honestly. Now since Hanzo is back as a child in smokes ending I would suspect he's going to recycle Bi-Han becoming Noob Saibot again but this time him dying by his brothers hand using kid Hanzo as a means to kill him. One thing to notice he writes Scorpion better since the reboot in MK9 & until now I'm not holding my breath. Only time will tell if they decide to add an add on story like they did with MK 11 by adding Aftermath.
Well spoken my friend, very troubling that Ed gives to much to scorpion lore and keeps taking from Sub-Zero his bias is ruining the franchise.
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
*Didn't Bi Han save the Earth? I believe Raiden mentioned this and it was in the original canon. I never thought he was evil based on the original story.*
I also think the biggest hint was after Scorpion was shown the false past of Sub-Zero killing his family and clan, Bi-Han tried to plead with him that he didn't do that at all. If Bi-Han was indeed a total irredeemable person, why would he even try to deny something that he had supposedly had caused? It would go against of pretty much everything of what he had done prior during his life as an assassin, and he would know directly what he has caused and the people he has killed since he is an assassin.
I always seen Bi-Han like Itachi from Naruto teetering between anti-hero and full on villain, but in MK1 he’s the worse, letting your own dad die, going as far to hurt your brother just to prove a point how much of a asshole you are just to have power, he treated Smoke like shit too. He’s irredeemable
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han; these are the same writers who wrote the BS Twindel kharakter Retcon in MK11
Finally someone acknowledged this. 4th Snake I can't thank you enough for making this video. You are an absolute legend. I'm tired of defending Bi-Han against Scorpion fanboys who knows nothing about the lore. I mean you can like whoever you want but at least use logical arguments. They always say "Bi-Han was evil because" but there is nothing after the "because" part. Yeah, he was ruthless unlike Kuai Liang but he wasn't a bad person. He was an assassin just like Hanzo. Clan orders him and he does what he needs to do. That's it. He even spared Sareena. Myhtologies was a goofy game yes but on lore standpoint it was good imo. Dark and creepy vibes were perfect. It showed even in that Bi-Han was just a soldier who will complete the mission no matter what.
Such a good video. Wish I could like it more than once or donate you some money. You definitely deserve it. No joke or sarcasm.
Your kind words are enough.
@@The4thSnake 👑👑👑
BI- Han is not completely evil but he is more valent then his brother who was more likely to pair people
Why do hey want Bi-Han to always have been bad? This makes me think that "Twindel" is here to stay...
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
I was also mad at how they do dirty to Bi-Han in MK1(2022).
Like, why is he the only evil while the rest are pure? But then i remember that Boon took over all of MK and got extreme bias that made MK more inconsistent.
His basically made this "soft reboot" in order to rewrite Bi-han as evil while Scorpion becomes good despite his ending being him turning into a Yandere, which is way worse. Like... being Stoic is evil, but being a literally psychopath is good? Bi-Han previous iterations were more of him being a stoic cold silent warrior that had to do anything to survive and protect his brother & friend. While Scorpion is just an angry dude who lost his wife. But in the new MK1 Bi-Han is now some power hungry maniac while Scorpion is now Bi-han brother who is pure at heart but also looses a lover... bruh.
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
Turning Bi Han into a asshole and made Kuain Lian, Just Scorpion. Is Ed Boom final revenge in Sub Zero For Having a Solo Game given by Tobias before his Scorpion. Not
Even Kronika was that evil on Raiden and Liu Kang.
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
Bi-Han was an assassin. He bore grudges against a rival clan, he had a willingness to commit horrible acts of violence, and he was willing to serve dubious characters on the orders of his masters.
These are not the traits of a good man, and in regards to the MK franchise aren't even that notable insofar as wicked traits are concerned. Obviously not pure of heart, which is again why he dies and goes to HELL.
But for the devs and some fans to treat him like he was always a monster when every character in the franchise can perform brutal murders on each other, and yet nobody says Scorpion's a villain, is very telling.
They simply want Scorpion to be right in murdering Bi-Han, they don't want there to be a nuance to the relationship of Kuai-Liang and Hanzo in the future, they simply want there to be a villain that both can agree to reject.
Been fighting for my life on Tik tok about this Neatheralm will do anything to make scorpions past crimes justified no matter how bad they were
Bi-Han's gonna be the new Sindel. Just watch it.
and it happened. God dammit...
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
Welp...I knew that when bhan turns evil from start peoples will think that he always was evil incarnate
cause people lack the brain cell to understand characters arent stereotypes like mk11 sindel
@@Layd36 Eeeee...XACLY!
@@nerdodragonnerdpl4167I mean even if they make him evil give him a good showing for heavens sake, with this god awful chapter system most villains end up as jobbers to defeat and now bi Han will end up as one sadly, I say same thing with Sindel but really all they did was make her dumb enough to trust Shang Tsung and gets her soul taken and forgotten
@@Layd36 ye!
Mostly true
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
It wouldn't be a tragedy if homeboy was already evil.
I don't know where 'Bi-Han always been evil' come from.
Fun fact: The name "Bi Han" actually closely translated to "Tragic Cold" in Vietnamese since Bi can be found in words such as "bi kịch" or "bi ai" meaning tragic and Han is pronounced similar to "hàn" meaning "cold".
Another fact: Korea or Hanguk is called "Hàn Quốc" in Vietnamese, pronounced similar to the word "Hanguk", which has 2 meanings: The Land of The Han or The Cold Land.
You know what I'm truly afraid of @The4thSnake ? They make him fully evil in Mortal 1 Kombat and end up with him somehow transforming willingly into Noob Saibot.
I FUCKING HOPE NOT
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
The Way Ive Always Seen It
Bi-Han Was Always More of A.... Stoic Asshole instead of Evil
While Kuai Liang was More Kind in a Sense
Not Saying Bi-Han was Evil [Like He Clearly is in MK1]
But that He was More Stern and Serious then Kuai Liang
To be honest, Scorpion highlights the difference between the two brothers in MK2 after seeing Kuai Liang spear his opponents in the tournament. That might be just Hanzo's twisted perspective on Bi Han, but I'd say he knew his rival well enough to know him as an assasin.
Regardless, I never really saw Bi Han as evil. Just moraly gray when compared to Kuai Liang.
This is the exact quote from MK2: "Upon learning of Sub-Zero's reappearance, Scorpion enters Shao Kahn's tournament. He witnesses Sub-Zero spare the life of an opponent and realizes that this is not the same Sub-Zero who murdered him so long ago"
Very timely video, thank you. A shame NRS don’t seem to know their lore and characters like you. As a long time casual MK fan, I’m just catching up on the lore like Sub Zero: Mythologies, but it’s obvious even without playing the game that Bi Han isn’t just evil and has some sort of ethic. I like Ed Boon, but I feel like he let John T have Bi Han kill Hanzo & possibly his clan (or was it Quan Chi) and has never forgiven Bi Han since, lol, the guy is killed in least 60% fatalities on trailers. Poor Bi Han, let him have those hints of morals & complexity. I know it’s a fighting game, but the more they deepen it the better it will be received and live on.
In defense of NRS, it’s a entirely new timeline, so I can forgive them for making Bi Han evil instead of being a dick when he was still sub zero
@@Rubbergal123but still the way they presented him was certainly disappointing, he's just evil for being evil sake like frost is and how she bragged about killing her mum like bi Han is doing, no proper buildup or proper reasoning for their rivalry to be sensible like Kuai Liang not bothering to reason with his brother or bi Han being forgotten for the rest of the story, it's poorly done and rushed at best for them to reveal the climax instead of a proper fight and better characterization for bi Han, I say a wasted potential should be done as the Lin Kuei plotpoint is rushed for this rivalry to be taken seriously and bi Han isn't even present for the final showdown but his brothers the main commanding force
Thank you for making this! As much as subsequent MK titles have taken me through all sorts of other favourites (Scorpion, Smoke, Kitana, Kitana, KITANA), Sub Zero in the original MK will always be my first main.
And growing up playing these games, I never got the impression that Bi-Han was inherently evil either. It always seemed like he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Bro, if the old raiden said to the new sub zero that he have evil in his heart, bi han would just say: "did i ask?"
I did like the idea that Bi Han started getting corrupted because of his time in the Netherrelm during mythologies. Then full blown after his death. But if they plan to just make him evil for the sake of it. Then I feel it is insulting to the fans.
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
Never seen him as evil. Just doing what needs to be done.
THANK YOU! I hate when people say he was always evil because of non cannon stuff like movies when he was only really shown as evil when he was noob and even in the new mk1 while seemingly brash it is understandable why he would want his clan to be respected as in his own words he wants to “help lead it” not completely take over
The question is *why* have him hate his brother. What does it add? What does it do? Is it simply just to be a subversion of expectations? It destroyed his character.
I guess both brothers will always be enemies in every timeline
It doesn’t destroy his character at all. He doesn’t hate Kuai Liang at all until he fights back and starts a new clan. He only dislikes Smoke because he was treated as an equal in the family when they weren’t the same bloodline (Which has been true in past history). He’s just arrogant which he’s always been lol.
@@arkansasisbetterthanyouthi3963 he never was arrogant in the past timeline at least not until noob saibot came, he sure was naive and cold blooded towards his enemies and others but in no way he was evil and willing to doom his own realm for power, yes he does want to have control over his clan but again him risking with Shang Tsungs dragon army was certainly stupid tbh, they were close to dooming everyone, this new iteration surely does show promise but the risks of the writer making him into another villian is there
For stupid shock factor. That’s all Dominic & NRS like to do. Fuck having good writing. In every one of their MK stories they’re trying to force shock & each time it fails because they can’t write.
@@Layd36Exactly this. People say he was power hungry & arrogant but when it’s time to provide evidence they can’t do that shit. It’s so annoying. I don’t even want Bi-Han to be a hero nor do I want him to be a straight villain. I just want him to be the morally grey character he’s always been but nope that’s too much to ask from this franchise.
THANK YOU!
I'm getting tired of all new MK media portraying Bi-Han as the "evil brother"
I wonder if the process used to create noob saibot split bi-han's soul into a light and dark halves. Noob is the dark half. So the light half must be imprisoned somewhere in the netherrealm so quan-chi could control noob saibot.
Bruh Ed Boon ruined him again in the new DLC expansion for Havik, he's taking Ls left and right and is left at the mercy of the good guys, at this point it's just pure character assassination especially when he keeps losing for no reason😂
what DLC?
Bro traveled from the future to give us this message 😂
atleast he beat titan havik and probably ends up neutral after liu kang restores him
@@Kim-fv5ss bro what are you talking about? Is this a joke?
@@maxenite dlc expansion has already been datamined, story is about the cyber lin kuei, titan havik and other timelines. Bi-han gets his redemption arc
anyone else feel bad for what happened to Bi-Han?
Noob used to have a weapon called the troll hammer, I’m honestly disappoint they never bought this weapon back hahahah.😹
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this
I've always been like "He's not evil, just a bit of an ahole".
Bi Han wasn't always evil but he was always something of a dick
I always thought he loved his brother but as snake said before clan comes first. I thought he only killed targets and scorpion because of the clsns beef. He isne
Is neutral for the most part. If the clan does good he will follow. If they do evil he must do evil
1:18 that’s a good point. For me, I always assumed (in the Netherrealm games) that Bi-Han just became slightly more of a dick after his resurrection into a wraith but that he was still mostly himself. I felt that him and Scorpion were the most unchanged servants of Quan Chi… but Snake you’re making a lot of sense rn
Good to see my thinking wasnt erong, I also thought it was weird how evil Bi-Han was in MK1, my head canon was some sort of balance since thanks to tha conflict things went back how they used to be between scorpio and him, and heck it even was the catalyst for the creation of the shirai ryu
Glad to see you're still doing Gods work with all these mishandled characters
Since Havik was revealed in the new MK trailer it looks like hes getting the same jobber villain type casting treatment sindel and others have
Can we get a MisKonceptions video PSA for our poor misunderstood hero of chaos?
Sindel, being depicted as a villain, got a fuckton amount of wins under her belt.
She’s far from the category of being a jobber (at least, human form wise
@@nabilahmed579 "Fuckton" is Debatable, she really wasn't human again until Aftermath, She beat Geras(Or maybe it was Noob Saibot, I honestly forget) and Sheeva pretty easily, but got literally dunked by Cetrion until the others ganged up on her, then she shared 3 W's with Shao Khan (depending on player choice) before getting busted by Shang Tsung.
so she has about an average win rate for playable MK characters in story mode.
@@sasaki999pro true, but if we are going by the retcon, this was the mk9 version that managed to become revenant and then got back to human again and her killing all the combatants in mk9 is still canon, which basically is more than what you can say for other villains in the NRS first timeline
@@nabilahmed579 If we're including the entire NRS trilogy, the 6 consecutive K.O.'s she got in MK9 and lets say 3 definitive she got in aftermath, about 9 wins in total, whiiiich puts her about on par with Johnny Cage.
Shame that MK11, Sub-Zero's ending aside, shows Kuai Liang not caring about Bi-Han and not wanting to save him from servitude.
Thank you!!! I’ve argued this since the first announcement
"changes in History, changes in personality, to changes in ethnic aesthetic" You literaly could have used Tanya as the example for all three of those... Ethnic aesthetic is the least of my issues with the Tanya changes, I'm way more bothered about them compleatly inverting her personality to the point she acts like her own counterpart, she acts like Jade. Gruff, no-nonsence, badass and loyal bodyguard to the Edinian princess who weilds a staff. That's Jade not Tanya.
There is a theory that in MK1 (MK12) Jade will act like Tanya. 😱
I remember in MK11 Kuai Lian said "I uphold the Lin Kuei principles I thought you shared" to Noob Saibot, this could be seen like Kuai Lian always looked as Bi-han as how he wanted to be in the future
One of the few MK content creators who understands the characters. I assume it doesn't help that most people are more familier with his Noob persona and his outing in the recent film.
I think Bi-Han was old-fashioned and (to some extent) protective towards women. He spared Sareena, but didn't spare Scorpion. He wasn't able to murder Hanzo's innocent wife (who was a civilian, not a ninja). In MK11 he said that he would never accept any female into the Lin Kuei, probably because it's a dangerous job.
Let's not forget the fact that Scorpion, in MK Trilogy, swore to protect Kuai Liang as penance for killing Bi Han. If Bi Han was in fact a dick, than Scorpion wouldn't have went out of his way to betray Shao Khan just to protect Kuai Liang. Yes, Scorpion was temporarily working for Shao Khan until he betrayed him in his ending for Kuai Liang. He must have respected Bi Han due to warriors code of honor to make such a promise.
He’s not bad he’s just not as good as his bro
I always thought Bi Han had negative traits that, if left unchecked, would lead to corruption. He was arrogant, proud, and overly ambitious. The same could be said of Kung Lao.
Why did Kuai Liang forgive Hanzo Hasashi for killing Bi-Han in mk11??
He accepted that Hanzo was manipulated into killing his brother. The real question is why did Kuai Liang forgive Hanzo for dooming his best friend Smoke to being a revenant.
@@Zaire_39well bud i guess yall are right about them making bi han into a villain
Agreed. Thats why I don't like the 2021 MK film- yeah he was awesome, but they made Bi-Han pure evil with no indication that he was actually manipulated by Quan Chi.
Ashrah is why I see him that way. It speaks of how he enjoys who he is and choose this path. I've never gotten the impression there was any mind control, just that his inhibitions and compassion are gone. So not evil but skewed toward selfishness and killing.
I feel like he'd HAVE to be mind-controlled to work for Quan Chi and Shinnok after MKM.
@@The4thSnake I'll admit, by his Deception bio, I always got the impression he was happy when they were all gone. That he never wanted to work for them, but being in the NetherRealm kind forced his hand, and he just did it because he didn't care about the moral implications, just what got him ahead in that situation. In the same way Sareena never liked working for them but did it because she had no choice. As opposed to the revenants who still bow before Shinnok's head.
Though my answer is very different for the new timeline I'll admit where said bowing occurs. I definitely get a mind control vibe from new timeline when he says, "Quan Chi has perfected me."
@@The4thSnake I never interpreted it as Bi-Han being morally opposed to Quan Chi or Shinnok. It's more that he just personally didn't like Quan and got into his face about it when he was alive, so Crunchy turned him into a servant after his death as a kind of petty payback.
My head canon is that Bi Han is just a mean guy not an evil SOB like Sektor
Can my man Bi-Han not get slandered by the devs every time as this evil cruel bastard?
About as much as Stryker can actually not get jobber status I'm afraid
Pov kung Lao fans: it HAS BEGUN
It’s the same with rain man he was an anti hero in the original timeline then they made him a villain
@@arezlopez6021i think it's weird how Kung Lao barely talked shit about others in story mode but everyone treats as shit
@@wholesome_masochist4113I'm sorry, but who is this "Stryker" person you speak of? /s
I always had the head canon that after Bi-Han’s death in MK1, Shinnok personally tortured him in the Netherrealm as revenge for how the Lin Kuei inconvenienced him, burning away pieces of his soul until all that was left was a literal shadow. Then Noob was born as an exaggeration of all Bi-Han’s worst traits, while retaining all of his skill.
Looking back at that Games it hinted Bi-han did get annoyed that his brother was copying him as he said you always mimic me showing He knew he was trying to live up to being like him it also hinted Sektor might've used it and made him feel he could get whatever he wanted as don't forget not everyone starts off awful untill Someone like Sketor comes into the picture
damn thats dark :(
@@TheNightsideChronicles thank you.
Sub zero even alludes to something like this happening during their pre fight convos
The skill did not remain, lol
The main point of Scorpion's story was about how quan chi's lie made scorpion kill an innocent man.
Making bi han evil would contradict a lot of what makes scorpion a tragic character
To be fair, Bi-han did kill Scorpion so there was some vengeance to be had. But it was purely professional because they had conflicting goals. Quan Chi tried to make it an eternal hate by tricking scorpion that Bi Han also killed his clan.
MK9 actually shows a good way of this that the two clearly have a history but Quan Chi was very much manipulating Scorpion. Especially before he kills Bi Han. "That was not me!"
His conflict was minimally-based on killing an innocent man. His conflict arose from being manipulated by his family’s killer, who was Quan-Chi. But Scorpion could give quite few f**** about smoking Bi-Han because Bi-Han was an opp
I mean, I'm just glad they are doing something different with their stories, I don't think it would be cool if they just did the same thing, if you're gonna reboot, then do it properly. I just hope they don't just make a silly villan arc for him in the future.
@@andrepersan i 1000% agree with you. The one thing i liked about that modern mk live action movie was making a actual evil bi han.
It's so freaking cool seeing not just a new perspective on him but also getting to see a evil sub zero.
@@melbiamil5144 I swear to god Sub Zero and Scorpion are the only savable things from that movie
It's actually comical how evil and how much of a dick he is in story mode.
I don't mind him being a dick since that's what makes him Bi Han but holy shit it was a poor decision making him straight up evil
@edwardsallow9350 word wish with this new timeline. They could make scorpion the bad guy, but I guess you can't do that to the franchise poster boy.
@@shawklan27 Yeah literally any attempt to garner more sympathy for Scorpion by Ed Goon. Remember how Scorpion damned so many people to undead eternity in MKX and how not one person gave him shit for it across two games?
Sub Zero is just done dirty so often, it may as well be a running gag by now
@@Quick_footy1well making him a dick should be done in a better way as him expressing his opinions as an earthrealmer and from his intro dialogues he does have good reasonings over his actions like seeing baraka as a threat cuz of his tarkat disease which could affect earthrealmers or being distrustful towards outworld sindels rule due to their naivety or claiming liu kang being soft, hes not like shang tsung or the others who enjoy harming others for fun (hell he felt remorse towards sindels death or being unaware of shang tsungs experiments) or conquering stuff like hes just loyal towards lin kuei like a self preservationist and is against anyone who threatens it or controls them and will choose sides if it means liu kuei is all safe, i get the feeling they will make him into a separate faction taking sides whenever they choose like it whether good or bad but i guess a better moral one unlike the black dragon who are the opposite i guess and do whatever tf they want
@@shawklan27i mean they already did that tbh but really now scorpions being made into sub zeros role and honestly his story would be now relegated to hunting and reforming the lin kuei, its all sector vs sub zero again
I always viewed bi-han as pretty stoic, but not outright evil. I really hope they don't fuck him up and just make him an asshole in the new game because this is the first time we've really gotten to play as bi-han in a while
Yea i completely agree. I’m giving nether realm the benefit of the doubt on this but their writers do not have a good track record. They don’t know how to make complex characters. They just throw everyone into the plain old “good” and “evil” categories.
You might wind up disappointed.
@@camerondalton1495 maybe we’ll see.
@@camerondalton1495I’m not so sure tbh. Just going off his bio, he just wants what’s best for his clan which may put him in conflict with liu kang. That isn’t necessarily evil but we’ll se how it plays out
From what I've seen, in MK1 he's not evil he's just ambitious and dosen't share the vision his father had for the clan.
In one of Bi Han's MK1 lines with Liu Kang, he also shows remorse for apparently trusting Shang Tsung. He didn't know about Shang Tsung's experiments, and shows remorese for going along with them.
He might actually be more complex than just a pure bad guy. This is especially because in the story footage we can see he doesn't hate his brother, and even tries to convince Kuai and Smoke that leading Earthrealm is a greater purpose than protecting it. He clearly has distrust for Liu Kang, but trusts his comrades (even if he doesn't show it as much as his brother).
I don't think he's evil in MK1, I just think he's overly ambitious.
@@juliankanzuki2013 Totally overly ambitious for sure. Bi-Han was never really a nice guy or good guy in the original times, but he veered more on the dark side of neutrally gray while having some set of standards that kept him from jumping into the side of true villainy or evil. All of that was lost when he died.
EDIT: Just corrected a spelling typo, lol
@@juliankanzuki2013 Spot on.
Maybe even to the point, where he might make potential choices that he'll probably regret.
I would honestly like the idea of Bi-Han beginning a dark path for what he sees as the best for his clan and especially his brother but for his allies to help him realize the error of his ways. Or that he has some sort of big moment of realization and begins to correct his wrongdoings.
All nuance is disregarded the moment he killed his dad, so its pointless to try to bring depth unless the dad actually did something objectively bad, rather than simply disagreeing with how the clan should be run. Bi-Han doesn't bow to Liu like he did Raiden in Mythologies, while Scorpion does. Scorpion's bio suggests he's gonna have to kill his brother.
Bi Han deserves better, he's more than just "Evil Edgelord"
Yeah but I do get massive Morally Ambiguous Edgelord from M1K though. Having him be Ambitious is a nice touch too
@@mettatonneoex i doubt he'll be with liu kang until the end but I'm really hoping the impossible that he will do the right thing on mk1
too late
@@jmgonzales7701he's scorpion now
i know, im just saying kuai liang was always the superior sub zero@@diamonshade7484
Bi-Han didn't seem like an evil character, maybe a relatively cut throat character but not evil. Even in MK9 while he was still alive he was a hired killer but objected to being accused of killing innocent families. Partly because he didn't do it but also it's probably not something he would proudly do. Cyrax, Kuai Liang, and Smoke were willing to make moral stances putting them odds with their clan and leading to their heroic alignment, we just don't get a chance to see how Bi-Han felt or would've reacted in these cases because he's dead and under mind control throughout the vast majority of the series.
>objected to being accused of killing innocent families
lmao, did we play the same game?
Scorpion goes "you'll pay for killing my family and clan," and Bi-Han literally goes "bitch, FUCK your clan!" It's only after Hanzo beats his ass, and now it's Bi-Han who's begging for mercy that he goes "ohnonononono p-please I actually had nothing to do with killing your family, scout's honor".
@@NucleaRaptor that still doesn't state it. Not compassionate thing to state but I'm willing to call it more rude dismissal and outrage than a clear implication.
@@NucleaRaptor why tf would he apologize for something he didn't do, as well as a a literal beneficial event of his main rivals being wiped out? He's not evil, but he's not a good person either. A level of nuance that neither NRS nor some of their critics seem to grasp
@@midoriyaweed5508 The point is that Bi-Han is a fucking asshole, and any argument to the contrary is blatant revisionism. At best you can argue that maybe he's not an irredeemable asshole, but other than sparing Sareena for no adequately explained reason, there's no evidence that he actually took Raiden's words to heart and tried to course-correct. This whole "ACKSHUALLY BI-HAN DINDU NUFFIN" thing that's been going around ever since Legacy is really starting to get on my nerves.
@@NucleaRaptor When he gets accused in Mythologies on the other hand, he sounds confused about the accusation and tells Scorpion Quan Chi did it. He didn't mock their deaths in the slightest.
I'm glad you made this. In Mythologies, he literally rejected the Brotherhood of Shadow. It'd be weird if he all of a sudden chose to willingly serve it.
Bi-Han never hated his brother, Noob Saibot did.
In my view, I've always thought of Bi-Han as a tough brother, the kind that very clearly loved and cared for him, but was tough on him to make sure he could endure the life they were being brought into. As a longtime fan of the Sub-Zero brothers, I've always wished and desired to see Bi-Han acting like the brother we should believe he was. He was never a bad brother, just probably a stern one.
What I'm really excited for is to see them talking to each other so we can nip it in the bud. That is if NRS doesn't fumble it, of course.
I've felt the same.
@@fairlywren3664They did.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 They fumbled it way too hard. I thought the betrayal was a fakeout so he could help Scorpion and Smoke get away but no, he just turned on a dime. Then bro is like "hurr durr I let our father die". Like, what??? Bi-Han is all about the Lin Kuei, why would he not help the Grandmaster? They turned him into Sektor and it sucks.
@fairlywren3664 It's funny that they claim it's "A New Era" when all they've basically done is pallete swap and appropriate previous character backstories to returning ones. Glad I gave up on MK after X cause I knew they'd never make it better. I'll still check in now and again to see if maybe they can restore any goodwill but nope. It'll be like 20 years before another reboot happens.
Finally someone who actually understands Bi-Han’s character and his relationship with his brother. Bi-Han is my favorite character, and to see him get constantly slandered by everyone is frustrating. Really hope he’s not getting corrupted again. Great video.
He gets slander because new players that were 1st introduced to the game with MK9 thought Noob Saibot was the true Bi-Han & Scorpion was innocent one because that's how Ed Boon had it written SubZero(s) = Bad Scorpion = Good.
I miss Bi han as a good guy.
Ed Boon ruined him again
@@dragonk4833 I wouldn't say that, this is an another alternate universe, remember.
You gotta feel bad for Bi-Han dying in both time-lines
Also that Noob Saibot was clearly a lot stronger in the Original timeline, as opposed to the NRS timeline. Wherein he never wins a fight.
@@pious83because original timeline had an better writer .
@@Kira22558 Facts.
@@Kira22558
Bruh.
@@Kira22558Couldn’t NetherRealm just hire that writer or did he/she die?
You’d think people would already assume that Bi-Han isn’t really a bad guy after knowing that it was Quan-Chi who killed Hanzo’s family. But for some reason, the fandom and Nether Realm treats Bi-Han as if doesn’t make a difference if he did kill Hanzo’s family or not.
I get that it was probably retconned in Mythologies with Bi-Han sparing Sareena, but wasn’t Kuai Liang’s willingness to spare his opponents the reason Scorpion figured out that the two brothers aren’t the same back in MK2?
In MK2 itself, yes. The comic gives him a different way to reach that conclusion. Not a bad point, though. This could be one of the contributing factors for his reputation.
To be fair, you can't expect Scorpion to know that, since he wasn't there to see Bi-Han spare Sareena last I checked.
Can we really trust scorpion on the personality of the man who killed him I mean when you get killed by the man you're not really going to think highly of the the guy who you perceive as a monster
@@The4thSnakewe could make the assumption that since Sareena and Sub-Zero's interaction suggested that he got some kind of compassion,maybe Scorpion had got the idea that if he himself could get an family while being an assassin,so could Bi-Han,and didn't take their interaction in consideration
And not the totally different face, outfit and later voice.
Different people are different.
Noon is misunderstood
Let's hope for a redemption arc for bi-han in a dlc or something, but only if ed bum don't go full anti sub-zero and destroy his character ever more
Funny how the current MK fanbase seems to love reducing awesome characters to 1 dimensional black and white jobbers e.g 'evil' Bi Han, 'evil' Sindel. I dunno, personally I like my fan favorite characters to have some level of depth to them when they can
For real, there are people who prefer horny power hungry Sindel over the one with redemption story.
because ‘story doesn’t matter in fighting games!!!!’ yeah no lol
@@Tenerens1s story and characters are what keep me interested in fighting games so fuck all those people who say they don,t care about story.
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
Was saying pretty much this to Fantim on our recent Tarkatan Bitesized episode, albeit in much lesser detail! People assume Bi-Han was always evil but just that scene alone in Mythologies of him being concerned when hearing he had evil in his soul demonstrates the exact opposite for me.
He is corrupted upon death and resurrecting in the Netherrealm as the tainted Noob Saibot, not prior!
Yeah but remember when in mk9 Shang Tsung tells Johnny cage to kill baraka in the first chapter Johnny cage looks at Bi-han and he nodds NO...that shows that he still had good in him not taking a life.
A lot of people forget that Netherrealm isn't exactly the same as hell. It's implied that dying sends you there regardless of if you were good or evil, as characters like Stryker, Jax, Nightwolf and others were sent there while being on the good side.
They just assume that going to the netherrealm means going to hell = bad
It basically is hell though, it's canon that satan ruled it before Shinnok and Quan Chi took over
It is Hell though. its been stated multiple times to be hell and Quan Chi only had those souls due to Shao Kahn giving them to him (Which should be beyond his power as he doesn't own Earth but whatever)
I don't think people realize that both Sub-Zero's were effectively groomed to become an assassins and forced to pledge loyalty to the clan
I think a great way to better address this in MK9 would’ve been to have Bi-Han defeat Sonya. Raiden then intervenes, preventing her death, and scolds Bi-Han, reminding him of his potential fate, to which he would reply that he is earning Tsung’s trust in order to betray and assassinate him for his last mission, thus earning his retirement.
It would tie into his MK1 ending, give reason for the Lin Kuei fighting on Outworld’s side in the first tournament, and it would be a development of Raiden and Bi-Han’s interactions in Mythologies. It would show the grey area, where he is willing to commit cold-blooded killing in the name of his mission but also knowing he has to eventually change in order to save his soul; his death after this would be all the more in line with the tragic downfall.
And, it would rectify the stupidity of having Sonya defeat him at all. The chapter system was stupid but that was one of the more egregious examples.
This is really good. It’s a shame that this wasn’t thought of
This is fire
Really good plot. That would have shown how complex Bi Han actually is rather than a one dimensional "villain" character, which he never was in the first place. Truly, Bi Han deserves way more presence in the game and be one of main characters
In that case Ermac definitely should not have lost to anyone in 1v1 fights unless they all ganged up on him.
@@gabrieltejada1697 You’re right, he shouldn’t have. Ermac shouldn’t have been losing to Sub-Zero twice, Stryker, Takeda & Jacqui.
I actually have A LOT to think about Bi-Han's potential in the MK universe so bear with me for a moment.
One thing that I always found it fascinating about Noob Saibot was his Arcade Ending in MK9
I always liked the implication where he betrays both Shinnok and Quan-Chi to rule the Netherrealm himself because it works with the idea that Noob is just the worst emotions of Bi-Han taking form. He now hates his brother, relishes on killing, wants more power than ever, serves people that are clearly evil with genocidal and not just mercenaries that kill some people for money, but most importantly, his hatred got stronger, and what are the people he hated the most when he was alive? The Shirai Ryu, Quan Chi and Shinnok. Which is why he ended up betraying them and taking control of the Netherealm (He says in the trailers that they could lead Earthrealm meaning he possibly feels a bit like he could genuinely makes things better and now as Noob he is distorted to believe he can do that by force, which is why he took over Netherealm as opposed to just leave it there after defeating Shinnok and Quan Chi.)
This can also apply to his corruption still not fully erasing his old self but just realizing what Bi-Han wanted in the wrong way, now that he conquers the Netherrealm and it's friends with Havik maybe he can revive Sareena, maybe he can also turn his brother into a Wraith so he can be with him again, the Netherealm are the source of Scorpion's power, maybe now he can make Scorpion weaker and kill him definitely, and he may even be able to finally stop killing after all his conquest is done.
Another way this could be interpreted is that the Wraith transformation is flawed because it keeps corrupting the revived corpse making him more and more evil which is why Noob betrayed Quan Chi despite being a supposedly more loyal servant than Scorpion, which could also explain why Quan Chi kept changing ressurection methods until he finally hit it gold with the Revenants who couldn't be lead astray by sympathetic moments like Specters and wouldn't get so evil they would plan to betray him like Wraiths.
Bi-Han's current positon could also make for some pretty interesting relationships with characters like Ahsrah and Sareena, Ahsrah could start the story hating Bi-Han and deciding to terminate him but later learning about what happened to him and end up feeling sympathetic for him since he was basically forced to be a demon like creature like her once was and maybe she could try to help him get better, there is also Sareena who was spared by Bi-Han once and almost got saved by him so now she can save him to finally thank him properly, hell there is dialogue in MKX that hints that she may even love Bi-Han so this makes the whole thing more interesting. Both Ahsrah and Sareena can even team-up for a while (which could result in other great interactions on it's own but we will talk about that other time)
Overall Noob Saibot corruption has so much potential and I hope M 1 K can capitalize on that because it's genuinely fascinating.
😂 this just proof, the most of the fans have at least better ideas for the plot but keep in mind i really think as franchise as big like MK games and movies doesn't exploit the real potential of the story because there is so much to cover. NRS they're trying their best but my God they come with bad takes.