Well of course the fans would have better ideas. Its much easier to flesh out a character in their own context then in the span of what is essentially a 2 hour movie. These ideas are great, but its evident that NRS focuses more on the game-play then a full on storymode (and they do arguably well in both)
@DrTheKay I agree, they can be fixed with enough attention, but its pretty obvious that MK stories are backdrops to the game-play. Plot holes are bound to happen cause they are making what is essentially a movie without the attention to detail a movie needs. For the most part, the general plot points all line up, its just intricate details. Even in the Midway era of MK handling 20+ characters was hard and plot holes were abundant cause they didnt have the budget nor writing level of Infinity War. Tl:Dr; What I'm saying is, NRS set the stage for fans like the 4thSnake to come up with great ideas for all these characters, they may not get equal attention and plot holes are there, but MK is still interesting nonetheless
@@duvallxavier4368 The arguments you put forward can only really justify some underdeveloped plotlines due to time or gameplay constraints, continuity errors however are the result of either laziness, incompetence, or willful disregard of cannon, particularly when there are so many and they are so egregious that any editor/loremaster worth their salt would have spotted them immediately!
literally. someone said these writers came from injustice and that it seems they have a lot more respect for injustice than MK. Not to mention MK11 seems a lot like an Injustice plot being the story and characters
it’s quite upsetting that my top favorite character in the entire franchise is one of the hugest victims of poor writing. you should be a writer for MK.
Sub-Zero has always been my favourite since classic and Midway era but having constantly being either irrelevant, cameo or being punching bag to Scorpion especially in Netherrealm era because he is Ed Boon's pet that pisses me off. Seriously, there has been many missed opportunities for Sub-Zero to have amazing Character development and his bond with people he cares about. Sure, Scorpion can get two chapters and Sub-Zero gets only one and hardly does anything. Even after he became friends and allies with Scorpion he has no reaction over his friend's demise which always pissed me off. Scorpion gets all the development but Sub-Zero gets hardly anything because Ed Boon likes to shove Scorpion down our throats. I like Scorpion but if Ed keeps this up Scorpion is gonna be just like Alice from RE movies
I always wanted Kuai Liang to have a bitter rivalry with human Sektor in the past. They could write that Bi-Han and Kuai Liang did not particularly like Sektor since Sektor thought himself superior to other Lin Kuei (his father being the Grandmaster has a lot to do with that). The Grandmaster would show a lot of praise to Bi-Han for being the Lin Kuei's "most cunning assassin and theif" and having good leadership qualities, citing him as having grandmaster potential. That would upset Sektor and he would train his hardest to be the best, getting into fights with Kuai Liang along the way. He later discovers the potential of using technology along with Cyrax. Cyrax and Kuai Liang would agree that some technology would help their clan in the present and future but Sektor would try to take it a step further with cybernetics. His father would shoot this idea down, infuriating him. MK1 and MK2 happen and while Kuai Liang is away, Sektor kills his father and takes over the Lin Kuei, converting most of them into cyborgs. Kuai Liang returns, finding out that two of his friends and most of his clan have been converted into cyborgs. Sektor sees this as an opportunity to kill his rival by making Kuai Liang's friends, Smoke and Cyrax, kill him. Kuai Liang barely escapes with his life but is marked for death. Sektor and Kuai Liang's relationship turns from rival clansmen to bitter enemies. Fast-forward to the present and we have Kuai Liang, Bi-Han, and Sektor: three grandmasters (of the Lin Kuei, Tekunin, and Brotherhood of Shadow respectively). Each of them had their own idea of which direction the Lin Kuei should take. Yes, I would've made Noob Saibot grandmaster of the Brotherhood of Shadow after Quan Chi died.
I like your idea. I have one of my own. Kuai Liang escapes WITH Smoke, AND Cyrax but not unscathed, Secktor would make NEW cyber Lin Kuei warriors and program them with Cyrax's, smoke's AND Sub zero's moves. Meanwhile, Sub zero, Cyrax and Smoke having barely escaped from the cyber initiative find themselves in the netherrealm and come face to face with NOOB SAIBOT AKA Bi Han. A battle ensures and despite their injuries they managed to subdue Bi Han but it takes everything they had. They then take him to Raiden and the Elder Gods for help. The Elder Gods agree to restore him If they defeat Quan Chi. They return to the Netherrealm and fight and defeat Quan Chi. It was difficult but they did it. As a reward for the task the Elder Gods Restore Bi Han but he maintains his Shadow powers, thus deciding to take on the name Dark Tundra allowing Kuai Liang to remain as Sub zero. Meanwhile Secktor is still searching for the Lin Kuei traitors with their cyberized counterparts to automate them and destroy their free will. The 4 Lin Kuei warriors return to the Temple while Cyrax, Smoke and Kuai Liang fight their Cyberized counterparts, Bi Han fights Secktor and after a grueling battle the 4 Lin Kuei warriors defeat and kill Secktor and their cyberized counterparts and take over as the NEW LIN KUEI GRANDMASTERS. That's just the idea I had.
"This man deserves better, Ed!" Couldn't have said it better. As a Sub-Zero/Kuai Liang fan I have always hated how all the development or bond with his friends is either ignored, glossed over or get any resolution what so ever. Especially in Netherrealm era where they go their way to make Sub-Zero look apathetic and uncaring as possible which honestly angered me. There is lot of missed opportunities for him to have great character development and develop his bond with people he has connection with but we can't fucking have that, can we? Because Ed Boon has to make his fucking pet Scorpion look good in comparison which honestly is tiring. Scorpion gets all the development, but Sub-Zero gets barely anything or not given any attention. We don't ever see him react losing Smoke, he has no reaction over Hanzo's death and Cyrax is ignored completely. Ed Boon, people love Sub-Zero too! You really nailed it with this video, Snake. I was thinking the same. (Btw, I love Scorpion but I'm tired of Ed Boon pushing him too much)
Scorpion may be the face of MK but Sub-Zero is at least as iconic as Scorpion and he has been on few covers.I personally find it insulting how he always gets short end of the stick because Ed Boon's obsession with Scorpion.
Scorpion only became the face of Mk cause of Ed but he never was in the past was always liu kang I know I know my spelling sucks. Not only that far as I can remember growing up with these games sub zero was more popular by far at least where I’m from my boy even got his own game from how badass he is but sadly tobies left and Ed has his way with his poster boy and now bam scorpion is forced as their main face... smh I love scorpion too but I can’t help but feel that by Ed trying to make him more badass supposedly it just had the opposite effect at least to me.
Yes! Finally! You address Smokes absence and extreme lack of bond with Sub Zero. It annoys me that the writers complete ignore there friendship which was build up in MK9 and in the old timeline. The explaination for MK8 probably Sub Zero thought Smoke died in his mission to assassinate Shao Khan as a cyborg and didnt know he was captured and shutdown, found by Noob to serve him and never sees Smoke at the Lin Kuei temple attack.
One thing that wasn't wasted with him is his voice update from MK9 to MK10+MK11. Thank you Steve Blum for such an awesome voice for an awesome character.
NRS made it clear that Special Forces characters has a far more value to them then anyone else (with some exceptions of course). I mean, all of them has a chapters in mk11 story mode.
@@The4thSnake do you have a wasted plotential for skarlet and lei mai . Kotal kahn . Tanya and rain .striker . Reptael. Kabal. Kinshie ?????? If you have for any of them then can you make a video about it ? Please
honestly they gave up on all the revenants on which they couldn't make money off of. like Smoke is my favorite character (fuck scorpion and sub-zero) if Smoke sold well, they would've MAGICALLY brought him back to life.
Kuai Liang and Smoke, though not totally ruined like other characters, were generally useless and did nothing of note. This is especially egregious in MK9. I mean: - If Cyrax runs away from the clan to escape being a robot, and Smoke does it, and Sub-Zero does it... then deserting stops being special, doesn't it? "No one escapes the Lin Kuei" suddenly seems like an empty threat if EVERYONE is doing it and none of them fear the consequences. - Sub-Zero #2 is essentially made a copy of Scorpion, driven by revenge. - So Raiden didn't save Sub-Zero from automation because he was afraid Kahn would stop him...but nobody stops Liu from walking right up to Kitana and freeing her from her chains? It was a poorly written plot twist only added in for shock value. - When Kabal beats up Cyber-Sub, in the cutscene afterwards, we see Smoke, pretending to feel sad about Sub-Zero. I say "pretending" because the scene's only a few seconds long and his dialogue and acting still sound fake as hell. You know how in the old timeline, the way the Lin Kuei escape-and-capture plot was told was better than "ambush in the Outworld woods"? Well here we finally see the consequences of the capture and here's another thought: Automation is bad because it's meant to make you think about body horror, about being mutilated on an operating table and shit like that, right? Sure would've been nice if we got to SEE THAT HAPPEN. And remember how in MK3, "My best friend was taken and I couldn't save him and now he's being forced to hunt me and I feel guilty and don't want to fight him, I want to restore him somehow" was Sub-Zero's WHOLE STORY, and Cyber-Smoke's story was kinda about trying to resist the programming and hold onto his humanity through sheer force of will? Well, apparently that's too good for the new timeline, where we don't have time to animate drama or give people personal side-quests, because nobody was hunting Smoke, Cyber-Sub never fought Smoke, Smoke had no real role in saving Sub, he was merely a bystander with a scant few vaguely sad sounding, completely forgettable lines of dialogue while Kabal and Jax and Raiden did all the real work of bringing their new robot buddy into the fold. - Sub-Zero gets to have a decently written scene where he finds out Noob is his brother and has a dramatic showdown with him...but he's NOT the one who actually finishes that fight? NIGHTWOLF, who has nothing to do with Noob, is the one who kills him? How is that appropriate? - If the only reason to switch Smoke and Sub-Zero's fates was to do something different with them and give Human Smoke a chance to be a character for a while...why would you kill BOTH of them? What the hell even was any of this? NRS can make great fighting games, but regrettably, they can't write for shit. That being said, you totally missed the point of Sub-Zero's origin in 2011. His origin is the same as it had always been; kidnapped by his Lin Kuei father and made to join the clan, and leaving behind his mother and sister, because they neither had powers nor any particularly special skills. That's what the Lin Kuei does, they kidnap children with powers and make them work for the clan. This isn't a one-off example of a Lin Kuei making his son work for him, either. The Grandmaster does the same with his own son, Sektor.
clearly no one in NRS has played the past games nor care and just want their money, like literally how did any of them get jobs and or pass english in school? everyone lacks common sense except for john tobias which is probably why he fucking dipped before shit got mad ugly
Kuai Liang Backwards is Liang Kuai (凉快 ) which means 'nice and cold' when I learned this is Mandarin I was like damn Sub Zero has a dumb name. It'd be like if Hanzo Hassashi Meant Nice and Warm or something.
Actually "凉快" means cool, i.e. the refreshing sensation a cool breeze brings on a hot summer day. However the official Chinese translation of Sub's name Kuai Liang is "奎良", in which the first character “奎” can refer to four stars of the Big Dipper (α UMa~δ UMa) or just α UMa depending on your source, while the latter character "良" simply means "nice". Notably, the character “奎” is connected with knowledge and scholarship in traditional Chinese culture. You might recall Sub's costume in Injustice 2, which donned the big "奎" character on the belt.
I'm pretty sure it's because the writing team is staffed largely by non fans who just want to make their own OCs and regard the legacy of the franchise with contempt or indifference.
9:27 I think I might have a suggestion for NetherRealm's story structure. Have dedicated stories for the main characters (not all the characters, just the ones with significance). They don't have to be long, maybe an hour or two. Doing this gives more time to flesh out individual character arcs and allows players to get accustomed to certain characters. I think it fixes a lot of problems if they went with this setup... But I don't see that happening any time soon.
I actually had a similar idea for the longest time. Street Fighter and Tekken did something similar to this. I call this idea: "Kharacter Towers" or "Story Towers". You could have a main story mode and arcade ladder with non-canon endings and special story towers for each character, fleshing out their backstories, personalities, and offering special rewards for each tower. These towers can take place before or after the main story, depending on the character. NRS definitely won't be able to have a story tower for every single character on the roster at launch but they can add more of them later on (for free, preferably). Hell, dlc characters can come with their own story tower, giving more incentive to buy them. In the wait for the next dlc character, NRS could drop story towers to give people a small reason to keep the game.
These are fantastic ideas! It would also gives us a chance to play as villains too since story mode doesn't provide that option. I just hope Nethrrealm doesn't fuck up the characters stories and backgrounds if they decided to do it....
I think Hydro should be apart of Kuai Liang’s web of friends that is mentioned. I mostly want this so Sub-Zero, Hydro, and Smoke can be apart of a team called Solid, Liquid, and Gas.
I'm kinda sad Smoke won't have one of these, don't get me wrong Sub Zero is my favorite character and I love this episode, its just that Smoke has been done so wrong. Heck Cyrax stole the role that should've been his.
i’m so bored of cyrax story, his mk11 and mkx comic self is LITERALLY the same story, how ironic sub zero only cares about people wearing fucking yellow
In my mind, Bi Han's grandfather took him and his brother. Perhaps their father, mother or both abandoned the clan. And grandpa took the kids to condition them for the clan.
And I don't see why people would have a problem with Bi Han getting a Redemption Arc but they were all for it with scorpion and yeah I get it scorpions back story is tragic but in all honesty he hunted down and murdered an innocent man and not only that Bi Han was shown to be a hero of the earth Realm a champion who defeated evil forces and Gods out to destroy and Conquer realms so his backstory is just as tragic if not more why the hate my ( )
And I’m of the opinion that when we create things, we should try... always. Not give half-ass stories because they don’t matter; try to make something good.
@@BlackXSunlight Or at least don't put so much budget into the story if you're going to make a half-assed one. If you're going to make a lame story, do what Mario does and make it a simplistic nonissue that's just an excuse for gameplay to happen.
@@espurrseyes42 tbt when MK stories were "do all the roster's combos" lmao and crying because the Mileena one was so gd hard. And Mario at least nails the tone with its stories, you play a Mario game and the story just fits right into that little universe of quirky characters.
We're unfortunately at the point where NRS themselves don't care about the lore of MK as they're too busy chasing the esports meme. It also doesn't help that Scorpion is Boon's husband so naturally he gets more development than anyone else. At this point the MK franchise should just go to someone else, perhaps the makers of Killer Instinct.
It’s even worse that a part of community doesn’t care about these changes. I’ve seen arguments from people saying “oh it’s a fighting game it doesn’t matter” “if it plays well who cares” In a nutshell people will defend NRS and their SJW bad writing while not looking at why this is actually a big deal. Especially to us that have been playing the games forever now. It’s pretty much gotten to the point where I don’t even enjoy the game anymore and won’t touch it. Trust me I love MK I used to do local MK tournaments all the time won two of them actually but it’s just not fun anymore.
If it's just a fighting game why even add a story in the first place? Especially since MK was never one of those games to be at Evo until like freakin Mk9 but still had a story
Very true. To the people who claim, “oh it’s a fighting game it doesn’t matter” “if it plays well who cares?" I have a question, if it doesn't matter then why did the developers spend time and money to include a cinematic story mode?
@@UnifiedEntity Stories help us connect with characters. Cool designs and fighting moves will only get you so far. Most people only like Scorpion because of his design.
@@Ineedgames I know that, I'm saying with the mindset ppl have of it "just being a fighting game" you would think they would have scrapped any kind of story long ago but this is not the case.
Wait a minute, you’re absolutely right! 🤔🤭 Freaking Ed Boon and his yellow ninja-slave obsession, didn’t bother to do anything with the actual staple character of the series and has kept him stagnant since the last timeline. (Sub-zero, at least one version of the character, has been in every main series game, where scorpion wasn’t even in 3)... But then again, this is the same writer/whatever who gave characters the exact same endings in like every game 🤔 Sub-zero really is cold dude 😭
@@The4thSnake Considering he had just been beaten up by Taven, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume he went back to the good guys side to both keep up his facade with them and evade Kahn calling him out for his failure.
Post-MK9 Sub Zero is basically just a satellite character for Scorpion. Guy used to have his own storylines, with meaningful changes and interactions but now he's just regulated to Scorpion's boyfriend or sidekick. Even when they fight he always loses now, in the old timeline he at least used to fucking win.
I enjoy the stories of these games, but god damn do I wish they were longer so we could have character arcs like this. Sub Zero and Scorpion being allies should be a phenomenal part of the story, but because of how chapters are set up, they don't really get time to shine. Not only that, but characters related to them (Smoke, Noob) also fall further. Great video.
I feel like a way to help solve some of the problems in mk11 story for sub zero is to have smoke be noobs partner instead of saibot, bi Han loves his new powers while smoke wants to escape but he is enslaved by bi Han to fight for him. Somewhere near the climax something happens that causes sub zero to have to make the choice to either save his best friend or his brother, he makes the desicion to save smoke from his enslavement and abandons noob leading to his death
If the writers could make Scorpion and Sub-Zero friends. Why not the same for Mileena and Kitana? Kinda like Kitana's ending in MK9. One of my favorites. Mileena had a happy ending ^_^
That's basically what Mileena wanted in MK4, and why she was so adamantly against kitana in MK3 (she didn't just betray her realm, she betrayed her sister). Too bad they retconned Mileena into being born in MK2 and thus Mileena and Kitana never had their 10,000-ish years of twin sisterly bonding to make the Kitana's ending in MK9 work... Ever again (well, at least until they retcon it again).
@@meganinten0078 I'd rather them not, not with the current writers. It'd just end up like Sindel's retcon instead of something that was slowly building up over time. Now, if they decided to scrap the timeline stuff altogether and just did a continuation of the original timeline (MK1-Armageddon), then I can see Mileena switching sides towards the end of that post-Armageddon game. But not at the start of said post-Armageddon game.
The funny thing is you’re more right about him than you think. NRS deadass wrote this man in a straight bromance with Hanzo but, he just stopped giving a fuck about his brother, two best friends and his student. Like they really just love fucking with their characters.
I wonder, perhaps, if Kuai Liang should die redeeming his brother. Like imagine if they spent several games showing it as a quest of his. He redeems Smoke and Cyrax, he makes peace with Scorpion, but he still feels empty because his brother is trapped. Cue one final battle around the Jinsei or something and Bi-Han wins. He mortally wounds Kuai Liang, who then pushes him into the Jinsei. He's healed, made human again and Kuai Liang and Bi-Han share one final moment together, where Kuai Liang forces his brother to promise to lead the Lin Kuei to a better future. Imagine the stories going on, where Bi-Han has to keep the peace his brother made, but hates Scorpion for killing him, who has to befriend his brothers friends who both know Bi-Han killed Kuai Liang. And how about Frost, how would she grow up with Bi-Han being her mentor? So much potential, so much interesting things that could've happened by removing Noob and redeeming Bi-Han. And then imagine Kronika bringing Kuai Liang back as the new Noob Saibot.
Bi Han's name comes from the Chinese Word "Bì Hán". Which means "to escape the cold by going on a water holiday". While Kuai Liang is named after a Chinese Advisor who served to the Chinese Warlord named Liu Biao during the late eastern han dynasty of China. Whose first name Kuai, means family
as a sub-zero fan i agree......sub-zero needs better writers...or the whole of mk. he comes off as unreasonably cold in the story but his ending shows him wanting to help his brother? seems a little odd.....like you said sub-zero should always try and free his brother from corruption, his friends and his student.
I really love Sub-Zero. Netherrealm is focuses too much on the new characters like the Cage Family, Kotal Kahn, or the new friendship Kuai Liang has with Hanzo.
10:01 Tobias recently revealed that the original story had the two brothers taken from their *mother* by their *biological father* to be inducted into the clan, so they WOULD know who their biological grandfather is. The mother and sister would be left alone and not talked about.
Also the Family doesn't have to be just a random family, they could have been a long standing members of the Clan with the 2 Sub Zero's Parents escaping the Clan only for the 2 to be taken back after the Clan tracked their parents down.
Truth be told, I've been watching your MK videos for a while and I still don't understand what the hell's going on. I guess it's high time for me to follow ABI's move and just stop trying to understand this franchise for good. You guys hang in there, and keep doing what you're doing, Snake, and let's hope the story'll get fixed... somehow.
Yeah, despite them really putting a lot of money and effort into the narrative, the story is just as bad as most fighting games. It feels worse than a dumb as fuck Street Fighter story or Soul Calibur story because they seem to take this very serious. Luckily I still very much enjoy the gameplay of this series so for me another fighter having a piss poor plot is not a big loss
@@tyrellesmith9265 Good for you to have at least _something_ to like about the franchise, seriously. As for myself, gameplay-wise, I like anime fighters--especially airdashers--better, with some SNK games like Garou and SamSho being an exception. So not only MK fails to grab my attention with its story, but from the gameplay aspects as well.
@@nellancaster For me Soul Calibur is my favorite series. Anything made by Arksys I will likely play and thoroughly enjoy. There is a lot I dislike about MK, stuff native to many WB published games like it's awful grind and monetization. I'm more of a casual player of NRS games. I'll pick them up on a big sale and enjoy them for what they are fully knowing it's not going to have a good plot or the best animation but will be fun enough to play with friends
Sub zero was still impactful before but YOU made it MORE IMPACTFUL in ways that mattered. I have some ideas of my own. I envision Sub zero AKA Kuai Liang, Human Cyrax, Smoke human of course and Bi Han AKA Dark Tundra leading the Lin Kuei and finally defeating Secktor and becoming the NEW grandmasters of the Lin Kuei. On top of this they would become fathers of many sons and daughters, a strong and prolific line of honorable but deadly line of warriors. Naturally their enemy would be Secktor and he himself world collect data on them and make cybernetic versions of themselves but they would be controlled by Secktor. Frost would be Sub zero's student and Sub zero world be more attentive towards Frost helping her to improve not only her powers but her flaws, he world also tutor his children and various new members of the Lin Kuei along side Cyrax, Smoke, and Dark Tundra. I still have other ideas but this is all for now.
Theory: It’s to draw parallel to scorpion. Scorpion’s dad didn’t want him in th shirai ryu, but he joined to support his family, or so I’ve heard in some adaptations. This implies that Original Subzero didn’t want his child to join the Lin Kuei & succeeded, but after he died the Lin Kuei recruited the brothers by force, so they could have a Cryomancer again.
I've recently came across and binged your videos and you mentioned something that would help so much with everything they do. NRS need a lore master, they need someone who understands their characters and relationships between different groups.
I believe the common understanding in the old timeline was that both of the Sub Zeros were brothers and were taken away from their parents/their mom, while their dad rejoined the clan or the clan just took them back because they wanted cryomancers. It's evident with MK Deception that there was an active Sub Zero in Shujinko's early years... so it could actually be a callback to that. Nonetheless, it still is somewhat confusing and you made great points
Born in America, Sub-Zero was the oldest of three children, which included a brother and sister. Their mother wanted a normal life for her sons, who had already been chosen by the Lin Kuei to become warriors for the clan. She tried in vein to hide them from their father whose own life in America was only a cover for his true identity and purpose. Eventually they were found and their father returned with them to his homeland. Their mother and sister were never seen or heard from again. Sub-Zero learned of his ability as a young adult. It was passed on to him by his father, a fourth generation Lin Kuei warrior himself. The ability to harness the element of cold is one that takes years of practice. It's full potential realized only by those who've mastered it at the latest stages of life. Sub-Zero's skills have the ability to develop much faster than those of the other Lin Kuei. This was realized by the Lin Kuei Grandmasters who picked the young warrior to take his deceased father's place as the next Sub-Zero.
I completely agree. This chapter-by-character story system is flawed and needs to be replaced. Have the player use characters that are relevant in that point in the story, even letting us play with some of the villains if they do indeed win some battles. It would be more believable that way. If only the writers cared about their own characters..
Um, that is the point of the chapter story arc. You are controlling characters that are relevant in that part of the story. So, I am not sure what you are asking? Do you not realize that what you are asking is what they are already doing?
@@thetank9571 I think in some scenes it would make sense to swap in a character fight but because the chapter is tied to another character, it doesn't happen so it's a missed opportunity. I believe The4thSnake explained in one of his videos when one character should have won a fight, but they already had their chapter in the beginning, so they lost for the sake of this structure even though it made little sense to the overall story. I think it was a video around MK9. This structure also forces us to play as one side, so we don't get a chapter for the revenants, for example.
@@thetank9571 But they were allies to the heroes. I don't think we got to play Mileena or Tanya and Rain wasn't even playable. Not only that, but sometimes we get "filler" fights just so that a character can have 3 opponents, when that spot could have been given to someone else.
BI-Han (Pre-Noob) SHOULD have been brought back in MK11 when the time merger happened. Imagine Bi-Han meeting Noob and the shock that would cause him. Destiny, fate, unchangeable future(?), all that good stuff. Not to mention HOPEFULLY making things right with his younger brother who cares more about Hanzo than anyone else. HELL, Bi-Han and Hanzo could really have some amazing character development there! Most of us here are overqualified for world-building at Netherrealm lol
I suppose a clan of assassin's would have to have some levels of disconnect as they'd never know what mission could be their last. In the Midway era, by having Kuai Kiang try to redeem his brother by finishing his mission, that suggests trying to honour his memory. But when MK9 occurred, they didn't show any disconnect as Smoke and Kuai Liang seemed pretty close, meaning his total lack of acknowledgement of Smoke in the later games would be inconsistent. The time skip might explain some lack of empathy but considering Smoke was still on the front lines in MKX, Sub-Zero could've at least mentioned him.
It's so difficult to like fighting games with bad writing in stories. I wish one company would care about it's writing if they're going to create a fighting game.
You might like Blazblue then the first 2 games at least have a pretty good character driven story, it's a bit of a convoluted mess but the characterization is very good and consistent which is the most important aspect of a Fighting Game's story IMO, just keep in mind the Story mode is more of a visual novel choose your own adventure book type affair with but with fights.
GodOfOrphans Oh, I've played Blazblue and Guilty Gear. So far those are the only fighting games that I'm interested in thanks to the creators caring about their plot and characters
again, another reason why im happy mortal kombat will be (hopefully) rebooted after mk11. To finally give characters a fresh start so that netherrealm doesnt screw up the current story further
Given all of these Wasted Plotential videos I think it would be cool if you ever did a series about how you would have written the MK storyline if given the chance. Maybe set some guidelines like you can only use characters used in the series, you have to use the same games that were made, and you have to keep key defining events (invasion of Earthrealm, the Deadly Alliance, Armageddon, the time reset, etc). It would be fun to see what you come up with.
I’m more into the idea of Noob being redeemed more so for a full circle element for Kuai Liang In MK9 he loses his brother best friend clan humanity and even his life In MKX he’s been able to through one circumstance or another regained these aspects of his life lost to him and then some he’s gained back allies rebuilt his clan gained a protege and even made peace with his clans life long enemy in your version and then later his best friend at the end of the game MK11 I prefer the idea you proposed in the Bi-Han episode where the tournament era version shows up and reconnects with the man ironically now his older brother
Damn man, i feel like an idiot, Sub zero is my favorite character and in his really short appearances he doesn't deal with sektor, frost, Noob, or smoke, and doesn't have a satisfying resolution with cyrax and I barely notice. What a lazy story this guy has. I admit is cool seeing him teaming up with scorpion but NOOB IS RIGHT THERE.
you know maybe its just me, but after watching a ton of these videos i get the impression that maybe a big part of the writing problem is how many characters they have, and how much in depth they can go with said characters in the games, like sure there are comics but thats never the audience's focus, they wanna see the story that plays out in the games, and the writers only have like what, 4-5 hours of gametime to fit them in? like im trying to imagine a MK where all of the ideas of wasted potential are used at once and i can only imagine it as an incredibly long clusterfuck of way too many sideplots going on at once Maybe thats why sub zero had no screentime in mk10, they wanted to put all their focus on the other characters with the time that they had
Y'know with how he was the punching bag in most MK11 Trailers and how Skorpion is becoming their beloved mascot. I'm starting to think they couldn't give less of a shit for The Sub Zeroes.
This is Another example of the circumstance where the fandom has better ideas that can actually improve the quality of a character
I'm usually against that sometimes, but in terms of MK I agree
Well of course the fans would have better ideas. Its much easier to flesh out a character in their own context then in the span of what is essentially a 2 hour movie. These ideas are great, but its evident that NRS focuses more on the game-play then a full on storymode (and they do arguably well in both)
@DrTheKay I agree, they can be fixed with enough attention, but its pretty obvious that MK stories are backdrops to the game-play. Plot holes are bound to happen cause they are making what is essentially a movie without the attention to detail a movie needs. For the most part, the general plot points all line up, its just intricate details. Even in the Midway era of MK handling 20+ characters was hard and plot holes were abundant cause they didnt have the budget nor writing level of Infinity War.
Tl:Dr; What I'm saying is, NRS set the stage for fans like the 4thSnake to come up with great ideas for all these characters, they may not get equal attention and plot holes are there, but MK is still interesting nonetheless
David Castellanos I agree with you and at this moments they let’s us know we are garbage and a joke for them
@@duvallxavier4368 The arguments you put forward can only really justify some underdeveloped plotlines due to time or gameplay constraints, continuity errors however are the result of either laziness, incompetence, or willful disregard of cannon, particularly when there are so many and they are so egregious that any editor/loremaster worth their salt would have spotted them immediately!
It’s like they have people write characters as if they’ve never played a mk game before ever 💀
Kittlesen's first MK work portrayed Scorpion's death based on the web series instead of the games, so I wouldn't be surprised.
literally. someone said these writers came from injustice and that it seems they have a lot more respect for injustice than MK. Not to mention MK11 seems a lot like an Injustice plot being the story and characters
U took the words right outta my mouf
Sub zero: such wasted potential
This has just become a meme at this point
Dominic Spence it just shows how shit the writing is in the current mk
I was thinking the same thing
Sindel in mk 11 is wasted potential imo
Water is wet imo
I agree but i like her horney side its intresting lol
She doesn't have any potential in her current form.
Mk11 as a story is wasted potential
So is Mileena a wasted potential as well?
The one thing I like about NRS Bi-Han is the short dialogue between him and Kuai Liang before their fight in Mk9.
And then they ended up with a terrible recreation of it in MK11
@@williamgregg4712 Such wasted potential.
We share blood but we are not brothers. You're adopted. A not brother from. Another mother.
@@Smoofyful then I will not regret your defeat.
@@osirisjojo6876 Ashuwatayu!
it’s quite upsetting that my top favorite character in the entire franchise is one of the hugest victims of poor writing.
you should be a writer for MK.
Sub-Zero has always been my favourite since classic and Midway era but having constantly being either irrelevant, cameo or being punching bag to Scorpion especially in Netherrealm era because he is Ed Boon's pet that pisses me off. Seriously, there has been many missed opportunities for Sub-Zero to have amazing Character development and his bond with people he cares about. Sure, Scorpion can get two chapters and Sub-Zero gets only one and hardly does anything. Even after he became friends and allies with Scorpion he has no reaction over his friend's demise which always pissed me off. Scorpion gets all the development but Sub-Zero gets hardly anything because Ed Boon likes to shove Scorpion down our throats. I like Scorpion but if Ed keeps this up Scorpion is gonna be just like Alice from RE movies
If the writers could make Scorpion and Sub-Zero friends.
Why not the same for Mileena and Kitana?
@@meganinten0078 Touche. But unfortunately they had Mileena killed by who cares
He is at least as popular as Scorpion...he was the first character to have his own game, ffs!
@@Jose-se9pu That was Bi-Han, not Kuai Liang. Bi-Han is also nothing but a jobber in Netherrealm era
Imagine if mk12 is just a murder mystery of who killed Jerrod
Wow_GamingLul rain obviously.
Ninja Grump ooh plot twist.
Haha, that's a good idea.
@@NinjaGrump. Jerrod is Epstein?
@@Caddy03 Nah. Cause Epstein didn't kill himself.
Jerod: He killed me, she killed me, she killed me, I killed me! Are there any other killers I should know about?
Kintaro: *meow*
I always wanted Kuai Liang to have a bitter rivalry with human Sektor in the past. They could write that Bi-Han and Kuai Liang did not particularly like Sektor since Sektor thought himself superior to other Lin Kuei (his father being the Grandmaster has a lot to do with that). The Grandmaster would show a lot of praise to Bi-Han for being the Lin Kuei's "most cunning assassin and theif" and having good leadership qualities, citing him as having grandmaster potential. That would upset Sektor and he would train his hardest to be the best, getting into fights with Kuai Liang along the way. He later discovers the potential of using technology along with Cyrax. Cyrax and Kuai Liang would agree that some technology would help their clan in the present and future but Sektor would try to take it a step further with cybernetics. His father would shoot this idea down, infuriating him. MK1 and MK2 happen and while Kuai Liang is away, Sektor kills his father and takes over the Lin Kuei, converting most of them into cyborgs. Kuai Liang returns, finding out that two of his friends and most of his clan have been converted into cyborgs. Sektor sees this as an opportunity to kill his rival by making Kuai Liang's friends, Smoke and Cyrax, kill him. Kuai Liang barely escapes with his life but is marked for death. Sektor and Kuai Liang's relationship turns from rival clansmen to bitter enemies.
Fast-forward to the present and we have Kuai Liang, Bi-Han, and Sektor: three grandmasters (of the Lin Kuei, Tekunin, and Brotherhood of Shadow respectively). Each of them had their own idea of which direction the Lin Kuei should take.
Yes, I would've made Noob Saibot grandmaster of the Brotherhood of Shadow after Quan Chi died.
Nice story there.
This needs more likes!
GodOfOrphans For what reason?
I like your idea. I have one of my own. Kuai Liang escapes WITH Smoke, AND Cyrax but not unscathed, Secktor would make NEW cyber Lin Kuei warriors and program them with Cyrax's, smoke's AND Sub zero's moves. Meanwhile, Sub zero, Cyrax and Smoke having barely escaped from the cyber initiative find themselves in the netherrealm and come face to face with NOOB SAIBOT AKA Bi Han. A battle ensures and despite their injuries they managed to subdue Bi Han but it takes everything they had. They then take him to Raiden and the Elder Gods for help. The Elder Gods agree to restore him If they defeat Quan Chi. They return to the Netherrealm and fight and defeat Quan Chi. It was difficult but they did it. As a reward for the task the Elder Gods Restore Bi Han but he maintains his Shadow powers, thus deciding to take on the name Dark Tundra allowing Kuai Liang to remain as Sub zero. Meanwhile Secktor is still searching for the Lin Kuei traitors with their cyberized counterparts to automate them and destroy their free will. The 4 Lin Kuei warriors return to the Temple while Cyrax, Smoke and Kuai Liang fight their Cyberized counterparts, Bi Han fights Secktor and after a grueling battle the 4 Lin Kuei warriors defeat and kill Secktor and their cyberized counterparts and take over as the NEW LIN KUEI GRANDMASTERS. That's just the idea I had.
@Varaug Carsaib It suits my purpose
"This man deserves better, Ed!" Couldn't have said it better. As a Sub-Zero/Kuai Liang fan I have always hated how all the development or bond with his friends is either ignored, glossed over or get any resolution what so ever. Especially in Netherrealm era where they go their way to make Sub-Zero look apathetic and uncaring as possible which honestly angered me. There is lot of missed opportunities for him to have great character development and develop his bond with people he has connection with but we can't fucking have that, can we? Because Ed Boon has to make his fucking pet Scorpion look good in comparison which honestly is tiring. Scorpion gets all the development, but Sub-Zero gets barely anything or not given any attention. We don't ever see him react losing Smoke, he has no reaction over Hanzo's death and Cyrax is ignored completely. Ed Boon, people love Sub-Zero too! You really nailed it with this video, Snake. I was thinking the same. (Btw, I love Scorpion but I'm tired of Ed Boon pushing him too much)
It makes you wonder why they still replaced his brother with him in the new timeline.
I mean scorpion is the face of mk. He on the cover of the games an not the mc lui kang.
Scorpion may be the face of MK but Sub-Zero is at least as iconic as Scorpion and he has been on few covers.I personally find it insulting how he always gets short end of the stick because Ed Boon's obsession with Scorpion.
@@teriosshadow17 Mostly the Kuai Liang Sub Zero since Bi Han Sub Zero was only Sub Zero in the first.
Scorpion only became the face of Mk cause of Ed but he never was in the past was always liu kang I know I know my spelling sucks. Not only that far as I can remember growing up with these games sub zero was more popular by far at least where I’m from my boy even got his own game from how badass he is but sadly tobies left and Ed has his way with his poster boy and now bam scorpion is forced as their main face... smh I love scorpion too but I can’t help but feel that by Ed trying to make him more badass supposedly it just had the opposite effect at least to me.
Yes! Finally! You address Smokes absence and extreme lack of bond with Sub Zero. It annoys me that the writers complete ignore there friendship which was build up in MK9 and in the old timeline. The explaination for MK8 probably Sub Zero thought Smoke died in his mission to assassinate Shao Khan as a cyborg and didnt know he was captured and shutdown, found by Noob to serve him and never sees Smoke at the Lin Kuei temple attack.
MK8? That's MK3. The real MK8 isn't made for the time being.
@@the-point-bearer6689 true funny enough mk 2011 is really mk8
No MK vs DC is MK8 MK 2011 is MK9.
One thing that wasn't wasted with him is his voice update from MK9 to MK10+MK11.
Thank you Steve Blum for such an awesome voice for an awesome character.
Jim Miller would be proud.
Yeah, no.
It's funny how the Netherrealm Studios writing is so bad you can not think of any character that doesn't need a wasted potential episode
I think he said he thought Johnny Cage has been handled very well, but that's about it.
Motaro - Wasted Potential
At this point, Jason Voorhees is the best written character.
*john tobias’ legacy exists*
NRS: I’m about to do what’s called a pro gamer move.
*completely erases the timeline, and reboots it 2 games later*
@@josephtpg7329 such wasted potential
@@josephtpg7329 **reboots it twice**
Can we petition to get this man to be head writer on a reboot? I don't even know what to make of the current story it's so bad.
Reboot? He should be put in to fix the rebooted timeline.
I'd nominate TheFightersDen honestly.
@@sirnarwhal9911 co writers
Kye Dysarthria yeah...no
No because his ideas suck and he doesn't understand Kuai Liang.
NRS made it clear that Special Forces characters has a far more value to them then anyone else (with some exceptions of course). I mean, all of them has a chapters in mk11 story mode.
Cassie and Jacqui also never lose fights in 11.
@@The4thSnake As it seems Jacqui lost to dark Liu Kang just before he faced Cassie.
@@The4thSnake they're shit characters
Jacquie has no reason to be in the game and she has no reason to fight the way she does
@@Kn1ghtborne jacqui who? oh you mean boring female jax? oh okay
@@The4thSnake do you have a wasted plotential for skarlet and lei mai . Kotal kahn . Tanya and rain .striker . Reptael. Kabal. Kinshie ?????? If you have for any of them then can you make a video about it ? Please
Where’s Shao Kahn’s wasted potential :(
:( potential wasted Kahn’s Shao Where’s
honestly they gave up on all the revenants on which they couldn't make money off of. like Smoke is my favorite character (fuck scorpion and sub-zero) if Smoke sold well, they would've MAGICALLY brought him back to life.
@@TheKarlyzz Sub zero is a great character but I want Smoke back too. Show how Sub zero and smoke interacted when they both were alive.
Ed has Scorpion on the brain so much he could care less about any other character.
Kuai Liang and Smoke, though not totally ruined like other characters, were generally useless and did nothing of note. This is especially egregious in MK9. I mean:
- If Cyrax runs away from the clan to escape being a robot, and Smoke does it, and Sub-Zero does it... then deserting stops being special, doesn't it? "No one escapes the Lin Kuei" suddenly seems like an empty threat if EVERYONE is doing it and none of them fear the consequences.
- Sub-Zero #2 is essentially made a copy of Scorpion, driven by revenge.
- So Raiden didn't save Sub-Zero from automation because he was afraid Kahn would stop him...but nobody stops Liu from walking right up to Kitana and freeing her from her chains? It was a poorly written plot twist only added in for shock value.
- When Kabal beats up Cyber-Sub, in the cutscene afterwards, we see Smoke, pretending to feel sad about Sub-Zero. I say "pretending" because the scene's only a few seconds long and his dialogue and acting still sound fake as hell. You know how in the old timeline, the way the Lin Kuei escape-and-capture plot was told was better than "ambush in the Outworld woods"? Well here we finally see the consequences of the capture and here's another thought: Automation is bad because it's meant to make you think about body horror, about being mutilated on an operating table and shit like that, right? Sure would've been nice if we got to SEE THAT HAPPEN. And remember how in MK3, "My best friend was taken and I couldn't save him and now he's being forced to hunt me and I feel guilty and don't want to fight him, I want to restore him somehow" was Sub-Zero's WHOLE STORY, and Cyber-Smoke's story was kinda about trying to resist the programming and hold onto his humanity through sheer force of will? Well, apparently that's too good for the new timeline, where we don't have time to animate drama or give people personal side-quests, because nobody was hunting Smoke, Cyber-Sub never fought Smoke, Smoke had no real role in saving Sub, he was merely a bystander with a scant few vaguely sad sounding, completely forgettable lines of dialogue while Kabal and Jax and Raiden did all the real work of bringing their new robot buddy into the fold.
- Sub-Zero gets to have a decently written scene where he finds out Noob is his brother and has a dramatic showdown with him...but he's NOT the one who actually finishes that fight? NIGHTWOLF, who has nothing to do with Noob, is the one who kills him? How is that appropriate?
- If the only reason to switch Smoke and Sub-Zero's fates was to do something different with them and give Human Smoke a chance to be a character for a while...why would you kill BOTH of them?
What the hell even was any of this?
NRS can make great fighting games, but regrettably, they can't write for shit. That being said, you totally missed the point of Sub-Zero's origin in 2011. His origin is the same as it had always been; kidnapped by his Lin Kuei father and made to join the clan, and leaving behind his mother and sister, because they neither had powers nor any particularly special skills. That's what the Lin Kuei does, they kidnap children with powers and make them work for the clan. This isn't a one-off example of a Lin Kuei making his son work for him, either. The Grandmaster does the same with his own son, Sektor.
Yep. Examples of poor writing skills ranked F.
clearly no one in NRS has played the past games nor care and just want their money, like literally how did any of them get jobs and or pass english in school? everyone lacks common sense except for john tobias which is probably why he fucking dipped before shit got mad ugly
I’d take Sub-Zero driven by Revenge over being pals with his brother’s killer any day.
nrs just needs to hire you to write for them
Kuai Liang Backwards is Liang Kuai (凉快 ) which means 'nice and cold' when I learned this is Mandarin I was like damn Sub Zero has a dumb name. It'd be like if Hanzo Hassashi Meant Nice and Warm or something.
At least Scorpions real name references ninja lore, being taken from Hattori Hanzo.
Actually "凉快" means cool, i.e. the refreshing sensation a cool breeze brings on a hot summer day. However the official Chinese translation of Sub's name Kuai Liang is "奎良", in which the first character “奎” can refer to four stars of the Big Dipper (α UMa~δ UMa) or just α UMa depending on your source, while the latter character "良" simply means "nice". Notably, the character “奎” is connected with knowledge and scholarship in traditional Chinese culture. You might recall Sub's costume in Injustice 2, which donned the big "奎" character on the belt.
Don’t you mean nice and....TOASTY?
Cryomancer names man
Right, Jerrod?
Lol!
SupportGaming 2019 Shit omg yes!
poor guy was killed by at least 3 people now, can't wait till netherrealm lets another guy kill him
Jerrod didn't kill himself.
Jøhnx3m just wait a few another reboots, and he will
@@toatakanuva4846 While Shao Kahn now represents Trump, Jerrod will be Epstein
Why is the fandom more creative than the actual company that creates the story
I'm pretty sure it's because the writing team is staffed largely by non fans who just want to make their own OCs and regard the legacy of the franchise with contempt or indifference.
@@GodOfOrphans Wow... that sounds pretty much spot on.
@@GodOfOrphans they shouldnt be employed there
Their ideas are all equally garbage and they cant write characters with good bravado anymore
@@fightingmedialounge519 no the fandom is more creative don't be delusional
What do you mean? This video is terrible.
Whole Mortal Kombat is a huge wasted potential.
9:27 I think I might have a suggestion for NetherRealm's story structure. Have dedicated stories for the main characters (not all the characters, just the ones with significance). They don't have to be long, maybe an hour or two. Doing this gives more time to flesh out individual character arcs and allows players to get accustomed to certain characters. I think it fixes a lot of problems if they went with this setup... But I don't see that happening any time soon.
I actually had a similar idea for the longest time. Street Fighter and Tekken did something similar to this. I call this idea: "Kharacter Towers" or "Story Towers". You could have a main story mode and arcade ladder with non-canon endings and special story towers for each character, fleshing out their backstories, personalities, and offering special rewards for each tower. These towers can take place before or after the main story, depending on the character. NRS definitely won't be able to have a story tower for every single character on the roster at launch but they can add more of them later on (for free, preferably). Hell, dlc characters can come with their own story tower, giving more incentive to buy them. In the wait for the next dlc character, NRS could drop story towers to give people a small reason to keep the game.
These are fantastic ideas! It would also gives us a chance to play as villains too since story mode doesn't provide that option. I just hope Nethrrealm doesn't fuck up the characters stories and backgrounds if they decided to do it....
Tekken 7 only had like 10 characters in their story mode and the rest have their own chapters
I think Hydro should be apart of Kuai Liang’s web of friends that is mentioned. I mostly want this so Sub-Zero, Hydro, and Smoke can be apart of a team called Solid, Liquid, and Gas.
Call that squad Triple Point
NRS don't give a shit about how good the story is, they would change anything they feel like changing at anytime.
I'm kinda sad Smoke won't have one of these, don't get me wrong Sub Zero is my favorite character and I love this episode, its just that Smoke has been done so wrong. Heck Cyrax stole the role that should've been his.
i’m so bored of cyrax story, his mk11 and mkx comic self is LITERALLY the same story, how ironic sub zero only cares about people wearing fucking yellow
“Why not? You fuckin’ don’t.” Lawl. Holy shit that was funny.
In my mind, Bi Han's grandfather took him and his brother. Perhaps their father, mother or both abandoned the clan. And grandpa took the kids to condition them for the clan.
And I don't see why people would have a problem with Bi Han getting a Redemption Arc but they were all for it with scorpion and yeah I get it scorpions back story is tragic but in all honesty he hunted down and murdered an innocent man and not only that Bi Han was shown to be a hero of the earth Realm a champion who defeated evil forces and Gods out to destroy and Conquer realms so his backstory is just as tragic if not more why the hate my ( )
Everytime i see a 4thSnake video roasting MK´s lore I know i´m in for a good time
Im 98% sure that one of the writers watches you and when sub zero says “such wasted potential” it’s a shot at you
I get so annoyed by all the people saying that the lore doesn’t matter in modern mk because “It plays better” now which is pretty debatable still
If the lore weren't important, there wouldn't BE lore, let alone a relatively good Story Mode for it.
And I’m of the opinion that when we create things, we should try... always. Not give half-ass stories because they don’t matter; try to make something good.
@@BlackXSunlight
Or at least don't put so much budget into the story if you're going to make a half-assed one. If you're going to make a lame story, do what Mario does and make it a simplistic nonissue that's just an excuse for gameplay to happen.
@@espurrseyes42 tbt when MK stories were "do all the roster's combos" lmao and crying because the Mileena one was so gd hard. And Mario at least nails the tone with its stories, you play a Mario game and the story just fits right into that little universe of quirky characters.
Ironically “the line” comes from Sub-Zero
We're unfortunately at the point where NRS themselves don't care about the lore of MK as they're too busy chasing the esports meme. It also doesn't help that Scorpion is Boon's husband so naturally he gets more development than anyone else. At this point the MK franchise should just go to someone else, perhaps the makers of Killer Instinct.
Maybe, but we'll see whenever we get another Killer Instinct.
Stfu
Scorpion's development was literal shit in Mk11
It’s even worse that a part of community doesn’t care about these changes. I’ve seen arguments from people saying “oh it’s a fighting game it doesn’t matter” “if it plays well who cares” In a nutshell people will defend NRS and their SJW bad writing while not looking at why this is actually a big deal. Especially to us that have been playing the games forever now. It’s pretty much gotten to the point where I don’t even enjoy the game anymore and won’t touch it. Trust me I love MK I used to do local MK tournaments all the time won two of them actually but it’s just not fun anymore.
If it's just a fighting game why even add a story in the first place? Especially since MK was never one of those games to be at Evo until like freakin Mk9 but still had a story
I like a fun, competitive MK game with a full, luscious world and story.
But, too many simple folk seeing everything in either black or white
Very true. To the people who claim, “oh it’s a fighting game it doesn’t matter” “if it plays well who cares?" I have a question, if it doesn't matter then why did the developers spend time and money to include a cinematic story mode?
@@UnifiedEntity Stories help us connect with characters.
Cool designs and fighting moves will only get you so far.
Most people only like Scorpion because of his design.
@@Ineedgames I know that, I'm saying with the mindset ppl have of it "just being a fighting game" you would think they would have scrapped any kind of story long ago but this is not the case.
"Why not? YOU fuckin' don't"
😂😂😂😂 DAMN.
I’m up at 5:36 and I saw this. Had to watch lmaoo. Sleep? I don’t know her.
Heavenly Ken LMFAOOOOLoLoLoLoLoLoLoL!!!! 🤣
@DrTheKay he is saying that it was around 5:30am, but he still prioritized watching a new The4thSnake Mortal Kombat discussion video over sleep
At least Sub Zero now has the best voice out of all the characters
It’s 4 in the morning was watching your rage review on Mortal Kombat..and I refreshed and boom here we are.
Erin Johnson I go bacc to it from time to time
I want his kritique on Mk11 so bad
5:37 lol raiden getting bullied always make me happy “I MuSt cOnsULt WiTh thE ElDer GoDs”
Wait a minute, you’re absolutely right! 🤔🤭 Freaking Ed Boon and his yellow ninja-slave obsession, didn’t bother to do anything with the actual staple character of the series and has kept him stagnant since the last timeline. (Sub-zero, at least one version of the character, has been in every main series game, where scorpion wasn’t even in 3)...
But then again, this is the same writer/whatever who gave characters the exact same endings in like every game 🤔
Sub-zero really is cold dude 😭
To be fair: Kuai apparently DOES restore Smoke before the pyramid battle in MKA, given that Smoke is part of the good guy side in the intro
Raiden is too, but he's supposed to be working with the bad guys.
@@The4thSnake Considering he had just been beaten up by Taven, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume he went back to the good guys side to both keep up his facade with them and evade Kahn calling him out for his failure.
@@The4thSnake wasn't Dark Raiden more of an anti hero?
@@jeangentry6656 kinda
Post-MK9 Sub Zero is basically just a satellite character for Scorpion. Guy used to have his own storylines, with meaningful changes and interactions but now he's just regulated to Scorpion's boyfriend or sidekick. Even when they fight he always loses now, in the old timeline he at least used to fucking win.
I enjoy the stories of these games, but god damn do I wish they were longer so we could have character arcs like this. Sub Zero and Scorpion being allies should be a phenomenal part of the story, but because of how chapters are set up, they don't really get time to shine. Not only that, but characters related to them (Smoke, Noob) also fall further. Great video.
I feel like a way to help solve some of the problems in mk11 story for sub zero is to have smoke be noobs partner instead of saibot, bi Han loves his new powers while smoke wants to escape but he is enslaved by bi Han to fight for him. Somewhere near the climax something happens that causes sub zero to have to make the choice to either save his best friend or his brother, he makes the desicion to save smoke from his enslavement and abandons noob leading to his death
If the writers could make Scorpion and Sub-Zero friends.
Why not the same for Mileena and Kitana?
Kinda like Kitana's ending in MK9.
One of my favorites.
Mileena had a happy ending ^_^
MegaNinten 007 because they never believed they were actually sisters in this timeline thus no love loss
That's basically what Mileena wanted in MK4, and why she was so adamantly against kitana in MK3 (she didn't just betray her realm, she betrayed her sister).
Too bad they retconned Mileena into being born in MK2 and thus Mileena and Kitana never had their 10,000-ish years of twin sisterly bonding to make the Kitana's ending in MK9 work... Ever again (well, at least until they retcon it again).
@@jaernihiltheus7817I just hope they make Mileena kinda like an anti-heroine for the next game.
Or maybe one of her clones became good.
@@meganinten0078 I'd rather them not, not with the current writers. It'd just end up like Sindel's retcon instead of something that was slowly building up over time.
Now, if they decided to scrap the timeline stuff altogether and just did a continuation of the original timeline (MK1-Armageddon), then I can see Mileena switching sides towards the end of that post-Armageddon game. But not at the start of said post-Armageddon game.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 Yeah.
You are right.
I don't trust the actual writers.
They ruIned Sindel.
I like your ideas.
Have a nice day :)
The funny thing is you’re more right about him than you think. NRS deadass wrote this man in a straight bromance with Hanzo but, he just stopped giving a fuck about his brother, two best friends and his student. Like they really just love fucking with their characters.
I wonder, perhaps, if Kuai Liang should die redeeming his brother. Like imagine if they spent several games showing it as a quest of his. He redeems Smoke and Cyrax, he makes peace with Scorpion, but he still feels empty because his brother is trapped. Cue one final battle around the Jinsei or something and Bi-Han wins. He mortally wounds Kuai Liang, who then pushes him into the Jinsei. He's healed, made human again and Kuai Liang and Bi-Han share one final moment together, where Kuai Liang forces his brother to promise to lead the Lin Kuei to a better future.
Imagine the stories going on, where Bi-Han has to keep the peace his brother made, but hates Scorpion for killing him, who has to befriend his brothers friends who both know Bi-Han killed Kuai Liang. And how about Frost, how would she grow up with Bi-Han being her mentor?
So much potential, so much interesting things that could've happened by removing Noob and redeeming Bi-Han.
And then imagine Kronika bringing Kuai Liang back as the new Noob Saibot.
Bi Han's name comes from the Chinese Word "Bì Hán". Which means "to escape the cold by going on a water holiday". While Kuai Liang is named after a Chinese Advisor who served to the Chinese Warlord named Liu Biao during the late eastern han dynasty of China. Whose first name Kuai, means family
Blame Ed Boon. After John Tobias left, Ed wanted to boost his favourite character, which was Scorpion. Sub Zero was John favourite character over all.
What about Sektor? They pretty much turned that guy into a jobber.
As most of the bad guys sadly.
8:10 holy shit Kuai Liang he just got slapped back into his cyber body, oh wait
I think even NRS and Ed Boon have forgotten about Smoke at this point since he never even appears in mk11.
as a sub-zero fan i agree......sub-zero needs better writers...or the whole of mk. he comes off as unreasonably cold in the story but his ending shows him wanting to help his brother?
seems a little odd.....like you said sub-zero should always try and free his brother from corruption, his friends and his student.
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I really love Sub-Zero. Netherrealm is focuses too much on the new characters like the Cage Family, Kotal Kahn, or the new friendship Kuai Liang has with Hanzo.
I'll be damned. He listened to what I said about not using Sub-Zero's quote. Kudos to you sir.
Please do wasted potential Smoke. He's my favorite Character ☹💔
Dude same. He's crazy op, lore wise, yet they never do anything with him.
I love Smoke too. He and Sub Zero are my favorite characters.
@@deadlysword1000 my pfp says it all
Yeah, I always thought that Kuai Liang needed some compassion slapped into him. Call me crazy, but I feel like Frost would probably be the best at it.
Would love to see a Wasted Plotential video on Mortal Kombat as a franchise
Check his MKX and MK11 W.Ps
Can you just get hired by NRS already. You clearly have more writing talent and passion for these characters than some of the actual writers
🎶"With your heart so COLD.....SUB ZERO!!!"🎶
You could say that he keeps on giving his friends and family the "Kold Shoulder"...
... I'll see myself out 😔
Two bad puns for the price of one.
10:01 Tobias recently revealed that the original story had the two brothers taken from their *mother* by their *biological father* to be inducted into the clan, so they WOULD know who their biological grandfather is. The mother and sister would be left alone and not talked about.
I just want to say that Sub-Zero is a title from generation to generation for the best warriors in the family
Also the Family doesn't have to be just a random family, they could have been a long standing members of the Clan with the 2 Sub Zero's Parents escaping the Clan only for the 2 to be taken back after the Clan tracked their parents down.
Truth be told, I've been watching your MK videos for a while and I still don't understand what the hell's going on.
I guess it's high time for me to follow ABI's move and just stop trying to understand this franchise for good.
You guys hang in there, and keep doing what you're doing, Snake, and let's hope the story'll get fixed... somehow.
You're smart.
Yeah, despite them really putting a lot of money and effort into the narrative, the story is just as bad as most fighting games. It feels worse than a dumb as fuck Street Fighter story or Soul Calibur story because they seem to take this very serious.
Luckily I still very much enjoy the gameplay of this series so for me another fighter having a piss poor plot is not a big loss
@@tyrellesmith9265 Good for you to have at least _something_ to like about the franchise, seriously. As for myself, gameplay-wise, I like anime fighters--especially airdashers--better, with some SNK games like Garou and SamSho being an exception. So not only MK fails to grab my attention with its story, but from the gameplay aspects as well.
@@nellancaster For me Soul Calibur is my favorite series. Anything made by Arksys I will likely play and thoroughly enjoy. There is a lot I dislike about MK, stuff native to many WB published games like it's awful grind and monetization. I'm more of a casual player of NRS games. I'll pick them up on a big sale and enjoy them for what they are fully knowing it's not going to have a good plot or the best animation but will be fun enough to play with friends
Sub zero was still impactful before but YOU made it MORE IMPACTFUL in ways that mattered. I have some ideas of my own. I envision Sub zero AKA Kuai Liang, Human Cyrax, Smoke human of course and Bi Han AKA Dark Tundra leading the Lin Kuei and finally defeating Secktor and becoming the NEW grandmasters of the Lin Kuei. On top of this they would become fathers of many sons and daughters, a strong and prolific line of honorable but deadly line of warriors. Naturally their enemy would be Secktor and he himself world collect data on them and make cybernetic versions of themselves but they would be controlled by Secktor. Frost would be Sub zero's student and Sub zero world be more attentive towards Frost helping her to improve not only her powers but her flaws, he world also tutor his children and various new members of the Lin Kuei along side Cyrax, Smoke, and Dark Tundra. I still have other ideas but this is all for now.
A shame really because he’s my favourite.
Oh well, I’ll give him more screen time in my story
I cannot wait for MK11 Critique
Theory: It’s to draw parallel to scorpion. Scorpion’s dad didn’t want him in th shirai ryu, but he joined to support his family, or so I’ve heard in some adaptations. This implies that Original Subzero didn’t want his child to join the Lin Kuei & succeeded, but after he died the Lin Kuei recruited the brothers by force, so they could have a Cryomancer again.
I've recently came across and binged your videos and you mentioned something that would help so much with everything they do. NRS need a lore master, they need someone who understands their characters and relationships between different groups.
They apparently actually have someone hired as a lore verifier..., if you can believe that.
...don't ask me.. I can't explain it, lol
"This job's responsibilities include: napping, lying to the fans, letting the writers do whatever they want and still getting paid."
@@The4thSnake that has me imagining a substantial imbalance in labor and responsibilities among the workplace
I believe the common understanding in the old timeline was that both of the Sub Zeros were brothers and were taken away from their parents/their mom, while their dad rejoined the clan or the clan just took them back because they wanted cryomancers. It's evident with MK Deception that there was an active Sub Zero in Shujinko's early years... so it could actually be a callback to that. Nonetheless, it still is somewhat confusing and you made great points
Born in America, Sub-Zero was the oldest of three children, which included a brother and sister. Their mother wanted a normal life for her sons, who had already been chosen by the Lin Kuei to become warriors for the clan. She tried in vein to hide them from their father whose own life in America was only a cover for his true identity and purpose. Eventually they were found and their father returned with them to his homeland. Their mother and sister were never seen or heard from again.
Sub-Zero learned of his ability as a young adult. It was passed on to him by his father, a fourth generation Lin Kuei warrior himself. The ability to harness the element of cold is one that takes years of practice. It's full potential realized only by those who've mastered it at the latest stages of life. Sub-Zero's skills have the ability to develop much faster than those of the other Lin Kuei. This was realized by the Lin Kuei Grandmasters who picked the young warrior to take his deceased father's place as the next Sub-Zero.
Yeah, this is all on the MK Mythologies site via the Wayback Machine.
I completely agree. This chapter-by-character story system is flawed and needs to be replaced. Have the player use characters that are relevant in that point in the story, even letting us play with some of the villains if they do indeed win some battles. It would be more believable that way. If only the writers cared about their own characters..
Um, that is the point of the chapter story arc. You are controlling characters that are relevant in that part of the story. So, I am not sure what you are asking? Do you not realize that what you are asking is what they are already doing?
@@thetank9571 I think in some scenes it would make sense to swap in a character fight but because the chapter is tied to another character, it doesn't happen so it's a missed opportunity. I believe The4thSnake explained in one of his videos when one character should have won a fight, but they already had their chapter in the beginning, so they lost for the sake of this structure even though it made little sense to the overall story. I think it was a video around MK9.
This structure also forces us to play as one side, so we don't get a chapter for the revenants, for example.
Well, in MKX we play chapters as both Kotal Kahn arguably neutral, and D'Vorah, straight up evil. So we don't just play as one side all of the time.
@@thetank9571 But they were allies to the heroes. I don't think we got to play Mileena or Tanya and Rain wasn't even playable. Not only that, but sometimes we get "filler" fights just so that a character can have 3 opponents, when that spot could have been given to someone else.
BI-Han (Pre-Noob) SHOULD have been brought back in MK11 when the time merger happened. Imagine Bi-Han meeting Noob and the shock that would cause him. Destiny, fate, unchangeable future(?), all that good stuff. Not to mention HOPEFULLY making things right with his younger brother who cares more about Hanzo than anyone else. HELL, Bi-Han and Hanzo could really have some amazing character development there!
Most of us here are overqualified for world-building at Netherrealm lol
I suppose a clan of assassin's would have to have some levels of disconnect as they'd never know what mission could be their last. In the Midway era, by having Kuai Kiang try to redeem his brother by finishing his mission, that suggests trying to honour his memory.
But when MK9 occurred, they didn't show any disconnect as Smoke and Kuai Liang seemed pretty close, meaning his total lack of acknowledgement of Smoke in the later games would be inconsistent. The time skip might explain some lack of empathy but considering Smoke was still on the front lines in MKX, Sub-Zero could've at least mentioned him.
At this point I don’t know what to believe about mk lore but I only follow the midway era as I just play NRS for entertainment
Smoker's fate desperately needs to be changed.
It's so difficult to like fighting games with bad writing in stories. I wish one company would care about it's writing if they're going to create a fighting game.
You might like Blazblue then the first 2 games at least have a pretty good character driven story, it's a bit of a convoluted mess but the characterization is very good and consistent which is the most important aspect of a Fighting Game's story IMO, just keep in mind the Story mode is more of a visual novel choose your own adventure book type affair with but with fights.
GodOfOrphans Oh, I've played Blazblue and Guilty Gear. So far those are the only fighting games that I'm interested in thanks to the creators caring about their plot and characters
My understanding on MK11 logic: If they don't have plot armor, they don't exist.
again, another reason why im happy mortal kombat will be (hopefully) rebooted after mk11. To finally give characters a fresh start so that netherrealm doesnt screw up the current story further
Given all of these Wasted Plotential videos I think it would be cool if you ever did a series about how you would have written the MK storyline if given the chance. Maybe set some guidelines like you can only use characters used in the series, you have to use the same games that were made, and you have to keep key defining events (invasion of Earthrealm, the Deadly Alliance, Armageddon, the time reset, etc). It would be fun to see what you come up with.
I'm hearing Artika's konquest song and I JUST CAN'T EVEN---!
I’d love to see Smoke do anything besides be under someone else’s control at this point.
It truly is a shame NRS care not for the potential to keep an consistent narrative and character development.
R. I. P. Mortal Kombat.
Now Sub-Zero has Edenian blood in him due to his ancestors
Strategy Seeker old timeline ,cryomancers are from outworld
@@thaliaortiz6327 Nah Sindel and Sub Zero's interaction confirmed Cryomancers were still banished from Edenia
Thank you for this video! Sub zero has been my favorite character since I was a kid, and I straight up despise what they've done to his character 🤬😠
You've been deceived again for you see...TWAS I WHO REALLY KILLED JERROD!!!!
YOU get to kill King Jerrod! YOU TOO get to kill King Jerrod! WE ALL get to kill King Jerrod!
WOAH YOU’RE RIGHT!! Sub Zero and Scorpion could have went with the special forces in the NetherRealm in MK11
Look at all those characters associated with Lin Kuei, such story potentials and what it come in the end, Sindel was always evil. Well played NRS.
MK ended with Armageddon.
Where there is smoke there is ire... Well played, well played.
“Arright”
-Kuai Liang, Mortal Kombat 4
I’m more into the idea of Noob being redeemed more so for a full circle element for Kuai Liang
In MK9 he loses his brother best friend clan humanity and even his life
In MKX he’s been able to through one circumstance or another regained these aspects of his life lost to him and then some he’s gained back allies rebuilt his clan gained a protege and even made peace with his clans life long enemy in your version and then later his best friend at the end of the game
MK11 I prefer the idea you proposed in the Bi-Han episode where the tournament era version shows up and reconnects with the man ironically now his older brother
I personally love sub zero qui Lang he’s one if my all time favorite character in mortal kombat universe in my opinion
Who do you think got the worst treatment in the NRS era of MK?
Sindel and Shao Kahn, probably.
Jalen Payton The female characters being modified to cater to the SJWS.
Sindel, DEFINITELY Sindel.
I agree with Jean. There are plenty of runner-ups, but Sindel takes the cake
Brandon Serralde Stfu.
Damn man, i feel like an idiot, Sub zero is my favorite character and in his really short appearances he doesn't deal with sektor, frost, Noob, or smoke, and doesn't have a satisfying resolution with cyrax and I barely notice. What a lazy story this guy has. I admit is cool seeing him teaming up with scorpion but NOOB IS RIGHT THERE.
you know maybe its just me, but after watching a ton of these videos i get the impression that maybe a big part of the writing problem is how many characters they have, and how much in depth they can go with said characters in the games, like sure there are comics but thats never the audience's focus, they wanna see the story that plays out in the games, and the writers only have like what, 4-5 hours of gametime to fit them in? like im trying to imagine a MK where all of the ideas of wasted potential are used at once and i can only imagine it as an incredibly long clusterfuck of way too many sideplots going on at once
Maybe thats why sub zero had no screentime in mk10, they wanted to put all their focus on the other characters with the time that they had
NRS Really needs to get there lore together IS THAT FUCK HEARD
Y'know with how he was the punching bag in most MK11 Trailers and how Skorpion is becoming their beloved mascot.
I'm starting to think they couldn't give less of a shit for The Sub Zeroes.