I don't think it was. 2570 had a grief, but the DAL flight was calm and in control and worked with ground bring to bring it back to a conversation instead of letting it become an argument
Hardly intense.....I recall the AA pilot who wanted a certain runway at JFK, so declared an emergency and told Tower to get everybody out of the way. That's my standard/bar level for Intense.....FYI
Tower let his words get away from him for a moment there but he pulled himself back pretty quickly. Tense job. Pilot didn't take it personally and stayed cool. No harm, no foul.
It's a tense job, but plenty of controllers at airports about as busy as ATL don't make this mistake. Controller deserves a talking to, he escalated what was a nonissue, and had no business returning to the issue again later. If he's that busy, he shouldn't have time to debate something that silly.
Agree. Anyone who has any training in aviation knows about the human factor. Humans have emotions, temper etc. you acknowledge it, you accept it, you train for it, when you get task saturated you know what is going on and you get out and then you move on. All these couch pilots think otherwise but this is the truth.
"Affirmative, confirm you are ready for departure?" would be more accurate since the controller wasn't sure if he could give them departure instructions.
@Falcon I would argue that in this case it helped them realize they should not be arguing on frequency with everyone there and listening at a busy airport. It took them out of the moment and allowed for recomposure
I agree, I think the "STOP" helped bring them both out of the feedback loop. There was a longish pause, and then tower came back all business-like and that was that, until he gave his explainer and everybody was happy.
Imagine if it did not defuse, and they'd get progressively louder, until they both got out met up at a gate, and had a full blown punching match. The first instance of taxirage.
NO Not Really!!. pilots do that "cool guy" cutting in; thing a lot when they do not have the complete picture of the concerns, of a pilot on the radio, It sometimes involves previous transmissions on previous frequencies. or special operational circumstances of that particular flight. Pilots seldom allow frustrations and disfunctions to come out on the radio so when they do it is normally worth paying attention. the controllers are busy and the flight crew are also. We recognize that ATC is the authority but that is not indicate that they could not be the fault in the process.
Hey buddy, there was a possible attempted highjacking that landed at KLGB on friday, i cant find any news about it but maybe you could find some clips? Really curious on what happened
Pilots call when to start, not controllers.. but, being no 12 - yikes, that’s a big fuel burn and changes things quite a bit. Glad they got it worked out. Tense for sure.
Interesting how to both pilot and controller calmed down after the random "STOP" from Mr. Frequency hero. They (especially tower) realized the argument was beyond petty and just a minor miscommunication along the line somewhere. Interesting exchange.
When 99% of ATC traffic at a major Bravo like this is "business as usual," this is relatively intense. True that it is not like some of the others on this channel - the Vegas Bravo incident comes to mind.
Glad TWR took a moment to cool off and explain. I think we've all been a snappy at times we shouldn't have - we're only human. No harm done. Obviously I'm just being an armchair pilot, but I figure DAL2570 should have gotten clearance for startup quite a bit earlier?
@@00BillyTorontoBill No need to listen again, I fully understand. Sequence isn’t a clearance when to start engines. It would have helped know when to start but they could have been started at ANY time between the gate and the runway.
Great job as usual VAS. I would imagine it takes some thick skin to be able to handle ATL on the pilot and controller’s part. I’ve seen that it does inside with the passengers for sure. All in all, some stressful conditions.
Nice job by both parties being able to detach which allowed for de-escalation of the conflict and cooler heads/understanding to prevail. Nice job by all.
Can someone give me a short explanation of what does mean "RNAV to XXX" in take-off clearance? Is it like a SID for Departure? or like a shortcut of departure SID?
RNAV to "xxx" means the pilot isn't required to follow a specific course/heading within the area navigation to that first waypoint. For instance, RNAV to Futbol... Futbol is the first radar fix on that particular SID.
@David Spaulding well for avoiding mistakes...maybe but as the crew already knows that from KATL they are departing via CUTTN 2 RNAV that contains SLAWW as 1st wp on SID. Why say: "RNAV to SLAWW" Yes, after departure the airplane will proceed to this waypoint as the SID already assigned and that's it. For EU user, not clear procedure.
It is the first fix on the departure procedure. Atlanta has multiple parallel runways, and each one has DPs that go different directions. Saying the first fix confirms that the pilots have the correct DP programmed in their flight management computer, and that plane will depart and turn the correct path, and that they won’t turn into traffic departing a parallel runway.
It’s probably a bit late to cross check the SID as you get your take off clearance. The SID is given in the departure clearance, and should be independently checked by both pilots, so there shouldn’t be confusion and no need for the last minute confirmation from ATC.
I can understand where the confusion would be. I've had tower controllers tell me, under special VFR, when I filed IFR, to start my engine back up when I was in line, because they said my IFR Release was ready and everyone else was Special VFR. So it seems like a nice favor the tower does when they can, becomes expectation.
Let's put this in perspective researchers have found that the average can handle seven things in memory at any one time. Controllers at ATL having to handle up to 30 aircraft in airspace 5 miles across at any one time when it is busy and this doesn't account for the ground situation as well at the time to put this into proper perspective in terms of the sequence of events leading up to this conversation was he coming off break? Or just starting his shift? It takes a few minutes to get the mental map of what's going on outside the tower set in your mind and it doesn't matter arrival, departure or ground positions
Ideally, Tower should have known he was really asking for sequence (which is the info the pilot needs to restart) and should have responded with sequence instructions. The conversation got a little off the rails, but both guys pulled back quickly and got back to business.
@@00BillyTorontoBill he said no ones given us a sequence. Then he says when we asked he said we were 12. So someone gave him a sequence. How are you not getting this??
For everyone hating on the tower, it also could have gone like this: Pilot: "could you tell us what position we are in the sequence? Thank you" Tower: "next in sequence" Done
@@erauprcwa Incorrect. If you've ever operated out of Atlanta, you'd know ground often gives you the sequence. e.g. 8R departures: ground will often give you a sequence to follow opposite direction traffic on E coming from Ramp 1 before switching you to tower.
@@notafanboy250 I have operated out of Atlanta, they sometimes will give a sequence, but not always. So if you're next in line for takeoff or literally on the hold short line, it'd be dumb to assume they're not gonna call you to go. Rule of thumb is if you're number two in your line, either start engines or ask for a sequence so you can be ready.
@@erauprcwa yep. I definitely agree with that. I will say though that sometimes you’ll be next in line on 27R-LC and you see a gaggle of wide-bodies launched from LB and LA. I definitely wouldn’t want to have the second engine shut down when next in line at the runway. That’s just asking for trouble.
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Things I hate - when they try to justify something that does not need justifying, thankfully the operator pulled himself together and manned up, explaining yourself like this, there is no need. Everyone just wants to get on with the day and fly safely.
It’s common to hear things like this from pilots at busy airports, especially when there are compounding circumstances like weather or ground stop delays. We can hear the pressure and stress in their voices and say things like “nice job” or “good work” because they don’t always get positive feedback.
Some towers issue your takeoff clearance with the first fix of the SID that you’re on. Also, RNAV SIDs are super common and done at every major airport (Class B), pretty much all minor (Class C) and some of the smaller (Class D) airports
All ATL departures are given either RNAV to their first waypoint or headings to fly. If it’s RNAV, it’s usually FUTBL/SLAWW off 27R, or MPASS/SNUFY off 26L. It’s another way for both controllers and pilots to ensure that the FMS has been programmed with the correct departure runway since ATL runs all 5 runways at once most of the time. Helps prevent collisions, separation issues, and delays of waiting for one runway to depart before the other can (they all just depart at the same time)
Seems to be more prevalent in the U.S.. I have heard it in other countries as well, but the U.S. (NEW YORK) is far more common.. Probably not a surprise..
It is the first fix on the departure procedure. Atlanta has multiple parallel runways, and each one has DPs that go different directions. Saying the first fix confirms that the pilots have the correct DP programmed in their flight management computer, and that plane will depart and turn the correct path, and that they won’t turn into traffic departing a parallel runway.
This controller seems like he was having a bad day and let it spill out on frequency. Usually they are ridiculously professional but to let it escalate to this point does nobody any good.
I don't see anything wrong with this exchange. I really hate when an exchange or clarification between two people is construed as a rude and a "pissing contest." I hear the "stop" a lot in the corporate world and I don't think it's professional.
Yeah that seemed like 2 people who didn't have all the information working it out. I definitely wouldn't have been offended if I were in either of their shoes 🤷
Information is missing. Had 2570 been parked beside the take off line waiting for a sequence, and only became "next to take off" because they spoke up? Or were they flowing in line with traffic and were obviously next and just upset because no one told them they were next? If the former, ground screwed up and lost a plane. If the second, then the pilots screwed up and didn't start their engines in time to not hold up the line, tried to put the blame for that oversight on controllers.
@@lonesnark Well it's just they sound like they were enjoying their pre-flight coffee at the gate when asking. 😂 Looking at the airport diagram, holding short at LC does not seem like the best place for saving fuel.
I'm a little confused. How did they get to Lima Charlie without having their engines on? They had to taxi there. Would Ground tell a plane to shut down their engines while holding short that close to the runway?
@@thetalesofdaneandco thanks. That makes sense to me why they brought up the sequence. Would you need permission to restart out there holding short of the runway though? I would think you restart when you think it’s almost your time to depart.
@@22topshelf He never shut the engine down. At busy airports with long waits, planes will taxi with only one engine to save fuel. The amount of planned taxi fuel changes at each airport and the current conditions. When there is a single line of aircraft, it is easy to determine your takeoff sequence and plan when to start the second engine. Some airports have multiple taxiways going to the same runway. Sometimes they reshuffle planes if too many are going in the same direction, and allow others to take off because they are going a less congested direction. Normally ATC does a good job giving you an idea where you fall in the queue, but sometimes they don’t.
I might be influenced by having seen the title of the video before watching, but I immediately noted the typical know-it-all-I'm-the-man quick (sloppy) speech of the tower. My pet peeve.
You're next for take off, and you're asking if you should start your engine? I wonder how many pilots in that same spot asked that question that day. I'm willing to bet 0.
It’s like the other side of the coin compared to that joke about feuding academics: Why are academic fights so vicious? Because there’s so little a stake. Why are punches pulled so quickly with these ATC/pilot spats? Because there’s so much at stake.
That was intense!
I don't think it was. 2570 had a grief, but the DAL flight was calm and in control and worked with ground bring to bring it back to a conversation instead of letting it become an argument
@@k-peezy2723 I agree…
Intense…ish.
Hardly intense.....I recall the AA pilot who wanted a certain runway at JFK, so declared an emergency and told Tower to get everybody out of the way. That's my standard/bar level for Intense.....FYI
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Tower let his words get away from him for a moment there but he pulled himself back pretty quickly. Tense job. Pilot didn't take it personally and stayed cool. No harm, no foul.
It's a tense job, but plenty of controllers at airports about as busy as ATL don't make this mistake. Controller deserves a talking to, he escalated what was a nonissue, and had no business returning to the issue again later. If he's that busy, he shouldn't have time to debate something that silly.
@@mattw1829 very true. The "you guys need to get it together" remark set him off, but he went off unnecessarily so.
@@mattw1829 they were both as bad as each other tbh.
Agree. Anyone who has any training in aviation knows about the human factor. Humans have emotions, temper etc. you acknowledge it, you accept it, you train for it, when you get task saturated you know what is going on and you get out and then you move on. All these couch pilots think otherwise but this is the truth.
@@bando404 is it bad that I envy the “couch” pilots .. I haven’t been spending much time on mine lately.. it’s crazy out here!
DAL2570: “should we start them up?”
TWR: “affirmative”
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
All that extra shit could’ve been fixed by just saying Affirmative. Lord lol.
Seriously... these folks need some stress balls to grip!
"Affirmative, confirm you are ready for departure?" would be more accurate since the controller wasn't sure if he could give them departure instructions.
Agree. For a busy day, lost a lot of time debating.
"Are you ready to go ?" "No" "I'll resequence you .........."
Love the STAHP from a random dude, totally de-escelated the situation before it got too crazy
@Falcon idk you could hear a tone shift in their voices after it
@Falcon I would argue that in this case it helped them realize they should not be arguing on frequency with everyone there and listening at a busy airport. It took them out of the moment and allowed for recomposure
I agree, I think the "STOP" helped bring them both out of the feedback loop. There was a longish pause, and then tower came back all business-like and that was that, until he gave his explainer and everybody was happy.
@Falcon STAHP!!
@Falcon No.
Whew. Fused and defused quickly. Great job guys!
Imagine if it did not defuse, and they'd get progressively louder, until they both got out met up at a gate, and had a full blown punching match. The first instance of taxirage.
@@therflash would ve loved see the pilot jumping off the slide and go fight the atc lol
Both ending up being professional when they realized it’s not that big of a deal and life is great.
Safe skies to all the pilots out there!
The pilot who stepped in and said STOP, you're the MVP.
NO Not Really!!. pilots do that "cool guy" cutting in; thing a lot when they do not have the complete picture of the concerns, of a pilot on the radio, It sometimes involves previous transmissions on previous frequencies. or special operational circumstances of that particular flight. Pilots seldom allow frustrations and disfunctions to come out on the radio so when they do it is normally worth paying attention. the controllers are busy and the flight crew are also. We recognize that ATC is the authority but that is not indicate that they could not be the fault in the process.
@@TH-cam.TOM.A STOP!!
@@nocalsteve GOOD !! .
I Walked right into that one. .
This is why we don't let you out of the basement anymore.
@@TH-cam.TOM.A Okay, that got awkward..
@@ArdenTheSnep A little fun, i can't blame the guy for calling me out
“I hate you.” “No, I hate you.”
“I didn’t mean it.” “Yeah, me too. Friends?”
then both thinking: what a douche 👍
Yeah, that's about how it went.
You understood exactly what happened lol
@@JK-dv3qe I mean, that's what I'd think about that kind of interaction, so...
Besties for ever!
"The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli."
Is that a Titleist?
@@braedan51 A hole in one
No soup for you!
BAM! Comment of the day! Love it!
You want a piece of me??
Shoutout to the pilot who said “STOP!”
I think that was DAL1410
that STAHP had me giggling
Always interesting to hear what goes on in the seats from both ends. Thanks for the video!!
It's so impressive to see how seriously flight is taken. Kudos to the pilot and ATC for not escalating!
If the pilot hadn't made the "get it together" comment that probably wouldn't have been so tense
I guess the announcer who says 'Gentlemen, start your engines!' was on break that day.
Hey buddy, there was a possible attempted highjacking that landed at KLGB on friday, i cant find any news about it but maybe you could find some clips? Really curious on what happened
"STOP!" lol
DL2570: "Tower should we start them up?"
Tower: "Yes, start them up. you're the next one to go"
Would have saved some time.
Ground never gave us a sequence....He told us we were 12. Which is it??
@@winitforal I think you missed the point of Delta’s comment.
I'm only going to ask one question but then I'll follow it up with a lecture
A lecture is an unneeded explanation, this seemed like both parties knew it was needed.
I got here 10 mins ago, but im going give a lecture about the previous guy being awesome.
@@thetalesofdaneandco No one needed an explanation, they needed engines.
@@nocalsteve They needed an explanation of when engines should powered up and down and that's what they got.
Whoever said “stop” saved the day 😂😂😂
Pilots call when to start, not controllers.. but, being no 12 - yikes, that’s a big fuel burn and changes things quite a bit. Glad they got it worked out. Tense for sure.
Interesting how to both pilot and controller calmed down after the random "STOP" from Mr. Frequency hero. They (especially tower) realized the argument was beyond petty and just a minor miscommunication along the line somewhere. Interesting exchange.
This didn't seem intense to me at all, especially compared to most other arguments on frequency we've seen here on the channel. Pretty mundane.
ATC being told... its tame but unusual. Shift change miss.
When 99% of ATC traffic at a major Bravo like this is "business as usual," this is relatively intense. True that it is not like some of the others on this channel - the Vegas Bravo incident comes to mind.
Glad TWR took a moment to cool off and explain. I think we've all been a snappy at times we shouldn't have - we're only human. No harm done.
Obviously I'm just being an armchair pilot, but I figure DAL2570 should have gotten clearance for startup quite a bit earlier?
Nobody tells the flight crew when to start their engines. Clearance to start the engines is not a thing.
@@stemhead I mean it is 😂. Just depends at what point
@@Horizon301. Usually you get it when you want to push back from the gate right?
@@stemhead Listen again... clearly the last guy didnt give sequence and the new guy ASSUMED he did.
@@00BillyTorontoBill No need to listen again, I fully understand. Sequence isn’t a clearance when to start engines. It would have helped know when to start but they could have been started at ANY time between the gate and the runway.
Great job as usual VAS. I would imagine it takes some thick skin to be able to handle ATL on the pilot and controller’s part. I’ve seen that it does inside with the passengers for sure. All in all, some stressful conditions.
Nice job by both parties being able to detach which allowed for de-escalation of the conflict and cooler heads/understanding to prevail. Nice job by all.
Seems pretty tame to me.
Compared to LAX or what airport it was that the controllers will bitch and cuss at anyone for merely existing at times, I gotta agree
@@Kalvinjj LAX? not surprising at all. I have to fly out of there at least a few times a month......such a freaking trash can airport.
I've heard way worse than that on here. Didn't sound that intense to me.
STAPP! Is the golden retriever that breaks up two cats fighting.
Can someone give me a short explanation of what does mean "RNAV to XXX" in take-off clearance?
Is it like a SID for Departure? or like a shortcut of departure SID?
RNAV to "xxx" means the pilot isn't required to follow a specific course/heading within the area navigation to that first waypoint. For instance, RNAV to Futbol... Futbol is the first radar fix on that particular SID.
@David Spaulding well for avoiding mistakes...maybe but as the crew already knows that from KATL they are departing via CUTTN 2 RNAV that contains SLAWW as 1st wp on SID. Why say: "RNAV to SLAWW" Yes, after departure the airplane will proceed to this waypoint as the SID already assigned and that's it.
For EU user, not clear procedure.
@David Spaulding ok) now understand, thanks!
It is the first fix on the departure procedure. Atlanta has multiple parallel runways, and each one has DPs that go different directions. Saying the first fix confirms that the pilots have the correct DP programmed in their flight management computer, and that plane will depart and turn the correct path, and that they won’t turn into traffic departing a parallel runway.
It’s probably a bit late to cross check the SID as you get your take off clearance.
The SID is given in the departure clearance, and should be independently checked by both pilots, so there shouldn’t be confusion and no need for the last minute confirmation from ATC.
My guy was at work for 10 mins and was already ready to go home. Haha
I can understand where the confusion would be. I've had tower controllers tell me, under special VFR, when I filed IFR, to start my engine back up when I was in line, because they said my IFR Release was ready and everyone else was Special VFR. So it seems like a nice favor the tower does when they can, becomes expectation.
I'm not lucky always i listen the SJU tower with my scanner the only i hear is "clear to land, runway 10, clear to take off, runway 8" this is boring.
The captions sure helped me understand their weird technical language.
10 minutes into his shift and he's that cranky? Wonder what he's like at the end of the workday.
Looks like he picked the wrong week to quit smoking
Caffeine hadn't worked its way through yet lol
@@pistonburner6448😂
Let's put this in perspective researchers have found that the average can handle seven things in memory at any one time. Controllers at ATL having to handle up to 30 aircraft in airspace 5 miles across at any one time when it is busy and this doesn't account for the ground situation as well at the time to put this into proper perspective in terms of the sequence of events leading up to this conversation was he coming off break? Or just starting his shift? It takes a few minutes to get the mental map of what's going on outside the tower set in your mind and it doesn't matter arrival, departure or ground positions
Better question from DAL would be “what’s our sequence?”
already asked the last guy... this was atc mess up on the shift change.
Ideally, Tower should have known he was really asking for sequence (which is the info the pilot needs to restart) and should have responded with sequence instructions. The conversation got a little off the rails, but both guys pulled back quickly and got back to business.
@@00BillyTorontoBill "when we asked him he said we were 12"...ground told him his sequence.
You don't comprehend what you're hearing.
@@winitforal yes that was a different controller on the last shift. Hand over was a failed exercise.
@@00BillyTorontoBill he said no ones given us a sequence. Then he says when we asked he said we were 12. So someone gave him a sequence. How are you not getting this??
kudos to both for keeping it professional!
Seth Rogen forgot his daily joint before going to his second job at the tower. Stress is no bueno.
For everyone hating on the tower, it also could have gone like this:
Pilot: "could you tell us what position we are in the sequence? Thank you"
Tower: "next in sequence"
Done
He had already asked ground and sequence multiple times per the convo so no
@@philnaegely Ground doesn't give command or know the sequence. Tower gives sequencing.
@@erauprcwa Incorrect. If you've ever operated out of Atlanta, you'd know ground often gives you the sequence. e.g. 8R departures: ground will often give you a sequence to follow opposite direction traffic on E coming from Ramp 1 before switching you to tower.
@@notafanboy250 I have operated out of Atlanta, they sometimes will give a sequence, but not always. So if you're next in line for takeoff or literally on the hold short line, it'd be dumb to assume they're not gonna call you to go. Rule of thumb is if you're number two in your line, either start engines or ask for a sequence so you can be ready.
@@erauprcwa yep. I definitely agree with that. I will say though that sometimes you’ll be next in line on 27R-LC and you see a gaggle of wide-bodies launched from LB and LA. I definitely wouldn’t want to have the second engine shut down when next in line at the runway. That’s just asking for trouble.
When there are long delays on taxiways, somebody (tower?) should advise re wait times, sequence….
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KATL Held on to this title since the 1996 Olympics.
"STAAAAHP!" XD
0:57 killed me :-)))
Things I hate - when they try to justify something that does not need justifying, thankfully the operator pulled himself together and manned up, explaining yourself like this, there is no need.
Everyone just wants to get on with the day and fly safely.
Start your engines.
Stop your attitude.
This has been a public service announcement from the tower.
"Not ready to copy, Too busy starting up"
"Should we start them up ?" ... TWR: "Rev up your engines !!!!"
Delta 2570, runway 27R, RNAV CLICA departure, cleared for takeoff.
Tower went full Scotty Kilmer
The "you guys gotta get it together" comment I think was out of line, the initiator, but fortunately neither reacted too poorly and they recovered.
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DAL 1410 “nice job guys” - is he referring to the deescalation? I can imagine the parties involved here are somewhat familiar with each other.
It’s common to hear things like this from pilots at busy airports, especially when there are compounding circumstances like weather or ground stop delays. We can hear the pressure and stress in their voices and say things like “nice job” or “good work” because they don’t always get positive feedback.
During that gap at the end of the video, who else thought Delta would pipe up, "How about now? Start 'em up?"
"Strong words were exchanged" is the key word sentence in ATC arguments lol
God... they talk fast! It is like a competition to find out who speaks the fastEST!
I didnt know there was RNAV procedure for departure.
They are flying a SID out of busy airports almost always.
Some towers issue your takeoff clearance with the first fix of the SID that you’re on. Also, RNAV SIDs are super common and done at every major airport (Class B), pretty much all minor (Class C) and some of the smaller (Class D) airports
SID (standard instrument departure).
What is FUTBL. ?
@@jcjammer1 It is a waypoint.
All ATL departures are given either RNAV to their first waypoint or headings to fly. If it’s RNAV, it’s usually FUTBL/SLAWW off 27R, or MPASS/SNUFY off 26L. It’s another way for both controllers and pilots to ensure that the FMS has been programmed with the correct departure runway since ATL runs all 5 runways at once most of the time. Helps prevent collisions, separation issues, and delays of waiting for one runway to depart before the other can (they all just depart at the same time)
so it's an rnav departure and futbl is the fix?
A beer to whoever shut those two down with a quick "STOP!"
Conserve fuel .they still get bonuses for that at Delta??
Yes very intense. ATC has a very stressful job. Hats off to Delta . I only fly delta.
I thought the only air rage was in the cabins . . .
"I don't know who told you not to start them up..."
The tower guy is so unprofessional! This communication should not be in the air.
It's on the ground. First time here?
@@winitforal haha very funny.
Seems to be more prevalent in the U.S.. I have heard it in other countries as well, but the U.S. (NEW YORK) is far more common.. Probably not a surprise..
VAS, You need to get out more !
How would the pilots know when they are close to next in line?
Atlanta always has the arguments lmao
👠 he should have been in a better mood, if he just got there (10 mins ago)?? What a bastard!
what does rnav futbol mean? is that a DP or something?
It is the first fix on the departure procedure. Atlanta has multiple parallel runways, and each one has DPs that go different directions. Saying the first fix confirms that the pilots have the correct DP programmed in their flight management computer, and that plane will depart and turn the correct path, and that they won’t turn into traffic departing a parallel runway.
Plane crash wings field KLOM blue bell pa just happened within the past hour
All he had to say was "Light 'em up" and none of that should have happened.
I just love my home Airport 🤣
Me too
Had to check the date... Dang it had a layover in Atlanta a day late. Woulda laughed if it was my flight out.
Where the hell in this world can we consider this a tense argument?
This controller seems like he was having a bad day and let it spill out on frequency. Usually they are ridiculously professional but to let it escalate to this point does nobody any good.
I don't see anything wrong with this exchange. I really hate when an exchange or clarification between two people is construed as a rude and a "pissing contest." I hear the "stop" a lot in the corporate world and I don't think it's professional.
Yeah that seemed like 2 people who didn't have all the information working it out. I definitely wouldn't have been offended if I were in either of their shoes 🤷
Everyones so soft instead of being men
It wouldn't normally be wrong unless they're in a situation where time is an important factor, such as this case.
@@pvtred Spot on. The airwaves are absolutely not the place for petty quarrels no matter how brief. Phone in your grievances.
That was "tense"?! C'mon! Where is "captain happy"?!!?!? LOL
Information is missing. Had 2570 been parked beside the take off line waiting for a sequence, and only became "next to take off" because they spoke up? Or were they flowing in line with traffic and were obviously next and just upset because no one told them they were next? If the former, ground screwed up and lost a plane. If the second, then the pilots screwed up and didn't start their engines in time to not hold up the line, tried to put the blame for that oversight on controllers.
You can't enjoy much of flowing in line with other traffic with your engines shut down. 🤔
@@CocotusInterruptus you only need one engine running to taxi. But you need all of them for take off.
@@lonesnark Well it's just they sound like they were enjoying their pre-flight coffee at the gate when asking. 😂 Looking at the airport diagram, holding short at LC does not seem like the best place for saving fuel.
Trump did it
No words, no comments
Now imagine if this were a Hollywood movie...
Nice to see they hugged it out there at the end.
You forgot to include the argument...
No, it's there
I've heard much worse traffic. Everybody gathered their wits on this one.
STOP 😭
Stop! 😂
ATC is right, they have nothing to do with engine startup. All that's supposed to be ground ops.
I'm a little confused. How did they get to Lima Charlie without having their engines on? They had to taxi there. Would Ground tell a plane to shut down their engines while holding short that close to the runway?
Sounds like they had been waiting a while and voluntarily shut them down and then asked Ground and Tower back and forth if they should start up.
I'm assuming single engine taxi.
@@thetalesofdaneandco thanks. That makes sense to me why they brought up the sequence. Would you need permission to restart out there holding short of the runway though? I would think you restart when you think it’s almost your time to depart.
@@22topshelf You are correct, which is why Tower wasn't super happy with them for having to ask. It should have been assumed.
@@22topshelf He never shut the engine down. At busy airports with long waits, planes will taxi with only one engine to save fuel. The amount of planned taxi fuel changes at each airport and the current conditions. When there is a single line of aircraft, it is easy to determine your takeoff sequence and plan when to start the second engine. Some airports have multiple taxiways going to the same runway. Sometimes they reshuffle planes if too many are going in the same direction, and allow others to take off because they are going a less congested direction. Normally ATC does a good job giving you an idea where you fall in the queue, but sometimes they don’t.
Fuel…that’s what I thought from the get go
Happens every busy day. If that's the worst thing that happened that afternoon, life's good.
never been that early here :-o
Everything about flying to Atlanta SUCKS. Hate that miserable place
I'm not sure how much time actually elapsed here, but that was pretty quick engine starts for 2570, I heard 12th to go, I guess that's enough time.
6 minutes
That was a little silly although I didn’t think it was *that* tense lol
Where is the tense argument?
Atlanta been feisty lately, but those guys work hard
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
They made up in a very professional manner 🙊
TWR seemed kinda mad from the beginning
I might be influenced by having seen the title of the video before watching, but I immediately noted the typical know-it-all-I'm-the-man quick (sloppy) speech of the tower. My pet peeve.
Neither tense nor an argument.
You're next for take off, and you're asking if you should start your engine? I wonder how many pilots in that same spot asked that question that day. I'm willing to bet 0.
“That’s not in the Pilot-Controller Glossary…”
Is it safe to randomly shout STOP? Probably startled all the pilots on the frequency including some which may have been on their takeoff roll
It’s like the other side of the coin compared to that joke about feuding academics:
Why are academic fights so vicious? Because there’s so little a stake.
Why are punches pulled so quickly with these ATC/pilot spats? Because there’s so much at stake.