Thanks for the update. Only reason I'm in Subic is the water. I see the pool in your background, but it's not the same. We differ on many of opinions. Of course we're always free to move.
Thanks for watching and chiming in damncars. I appreciate it. Thats why I say to each their own. For me , I just don’t see the advancement here compared to Clark, and various places in Thailand and Vietnam. Even Siargao rebuilt so quick after being destroyed by Odette. I just don’t see it here. I agree about the pool not being the same but I like to swim so I need a pool for that but give me an ocean with cleaner water and I’m all over it. :)
Thanks for the actual situation George. To begin with, following Pinatubo - SBMA was miles ahead of Clark, mostly due to Richard Gordon's work on getting volunteers to look after the base (also the US Navy had done a lot to clean up following the eruption of Pinatubo where as the US Airforce had deserted Clark). Personally if I had the choice it would be Subic because it is by the sea despite the disadvantages (especially rainy season).
Thanks for the input and for watching Ray. Every time I leave for down south or go to Thailand or Vietnam and come back to subic bay I see the difference not in a good way here and I’m bored. It may just be me but not enough has been put into the subic area since the navy days and the base has gotten run down.
I currently live in Olongapo..but I really like AC overall. I definitely use Clark airport for all my travels, even long before the new terminal was completed. And like most, I love the beaches, but I do not need to live near them to enjoy them. My next jump will be to San Fernando area due to its centralized location. Short hop to Manila, VA, Embassy. Short commute to Clark Airport for travels and an hour from Subic/Olongapo if I ever feel I need to visit again. Plus, they have a new airport in the works in Lubao (Pradera Verde) next to a large events, racing and watersports park. Small aircraft though, but that's what I enjoy, general aviation and sports flying.
An old Barrio steamer myself (once upon a time). Living part-time in Samar now. If I had to choose between Subic and Clark... Subic hands down! #tropicshade
Samar is a pretty place but not sure how many expats are there. Maybe you could elaborate. I hope you’re enjoying. The barrio is not what it once was an traffic on national Hi-way is a mess until the ByPass is built around Barretto but sadly that’s probably 4-10 years away. Thanks for watching.
Interesting. Being by the water but only an hour from Clark is the big attraction of Subic. I think it depends on how much of your time you spend in the Philippines. If you are just on vacation for a few weeks but live in another country like I do in Japan, Subic is better. However I would imagine that if you live there full time it is limited and Clark Angeles is better. I think as a combination they are the best you will find in the Philippines, due to beach and infrastructure.
Try to visit in subic bay is better than clark because so many attraction 1. Holy land subic 2.Jest Camp 3. Magaul Bird Park 4. Networx Jestport 5.Funstatic Park 6.Zoobic Safari 7.Ocean Adventure 8.Adventure Beach Water Park 9.Subic Bay Yatch Club 10. El Kabayo Subic bay 11.Subic Bay Golf Course 12.All Hands Beach Resort 13. Kamana Sanctuary 14. Acea Subic 15.Inflatble Island 16.Camayan Beach Resort 17.White Rock Beach Resort 18.Moon Bay Marina Water Park 19.Pamuklaklakin Forest Trail 20.Triboa Majestic Bay 21.Grande Island 22. Subic Botanical 23. Nike Factory Outlet 24. Addidas Outlet 25. Pure Gold Duty Free 26. Harbor Point Mall 27. Sm Olongapo Central 28. Sm Olongapo Downtown
Yes there are a lot of activities in Subic Bay but compared to Angeles/Clark it’s not close. Let’s see some of what Clark has: 1. Better restaurants both Internationsl and local ) 2. Pampanga = Food Capitol of the Philippines 3. Better casinos such as Hann Casino Resort, Midori and Royce, Fontana and more 4. Better shopping places; 5. S&R, 6. Landers 7. SM City Clark, 8. Pure Gold x5 locations 8. Premium outlets, 10. Marquee Mall, 11. Nepo Mall, & Clark City Front Mall 12. Roobinson’s Angeles, 13. Newpoint Mall 14. Grab Car as cheap or cheaper than trikes 15. Aqua Planet 16. Dinosaur Island 17. A great functional airport - gateway to SE Asia and the world 18. Angeles Flying Club 19. Malolos-Clark Intl Airport train from Clark to Bulacan and is part of North-South Railway to Laguna is being constructed making travel to Manila only an hour and completion date is 2025. 29. Closer proximity to Sky Ranch Pampangai 21. Zoocobia fun zoo 22. Air Force City Golf Course, 23. Mimosa Plus Golf Course & many more in close proximity) 24. Clark Museum and 4D Theatre 25. Air Force City & Park 26. Clark Safari & Adventure Park 27. K-9 Cemetary 28. El Kabayo Horse Riding 29. Mount Pinatubo 30. Paradise Ranch 31. Holy Rosary Parish Church in Angeles And so much more located at Clark/Angeles such as better roads & overall more modern facilities than Subic Explore the Philippines / Near & Far :)
@GeorgesAllaboutthePhilippines Some of attraction are not in clark like S&R,Landers,Marquee Mall,Nepo Mall,Robinson Angeles,Mount Pinatubo,Sky Ranch Pampanga
SM Central & SM downtown are in Olongapo not SBMA and White Rock is in Subic so I’m not sure of your point. Inflatable island is considered Olongapo. Those places make up part of greater Subic Bay, which is fine but then you can’t restrict things not in Clark as they’re in the greater Angeles area. My comparison was Clark/Angeles vs. Olongapo/SBMA. It’s a comparison of areas. It’s fine if you think Subic Bay is better and want to promote it - it’s your opinion. I promote both areas but wanted to do a true comparison. if you’re being honest, I think you’ll have to admit Clark is far more advanced and modern than SBMA. Just say’n !
I was same era, there, USN, back 85-87' in /out of Subic a lot, on the Knox, out of Yoko .. Back as a Merchant, then MSC late 90's - 2006 .. I haven't been back since 2011' .. I wasn't liking AC "lost it charm" (lol) .. Always went back & forth, between Barreto and AC .. Olongapo memories (nostalgia) kinda' felt like "home" ..
That’s why I came here (My Navy days) . I had looked at the Caribbean and Central America including Dominican Republic but SE Asia appealed more to me with the wife from the PI. Thanks for watching.
@@GeorgesAllaboutthePhilippines I wouldn't doubt' something comes out of the Duterte - Marcos feud .. I recall Duterte was Trump's "little Buddy" .. and "China friendly" .. and a guy name Marcos .. "Who want's to be a Dictator" lol ("doomsday laughter) .. Most "in GOV's" got left holding the Pandemic Inflation Bag and got kicked out worldwide .. I think Duterte was popular, right, and people remember the good ol' pre Pandem Inflation days ..
Olongapo seems to have advanced to a certain point then just stalled. I still have family there. I prefer the Subic area rather than Pampanga. I like being near the bay. Like you I wont swim there. Not only the dirty water, have you ever seen the sharks?
Good comments Dave but Subic Bay to include Olongapo and SBMA have not progressed enough in my opinion and the old base has declined further and further. Clark seems to have their shit together. I love looking at the water but I repeat there are so many better options even San Antonio and Bataan but if I really want the good water I go south to the Visayas area or Vietnam and Thailand. I’m spoiled from many days in the Caribbean. It would help the area if the Bypass would get done around Barretto but that is at a minimum 4 years out and 10 realistically. There seems to be no hurry while traffic gets worse in the area.
@ yes Clark has done great! Very well developed. SBMA just seems it hasn’t done well. It seemed to start well then just petered out. I thought when they were talking about opening Cubi to international flights that might help. But that seems to have faded too. The Visayas is nice.
As much as AC has it's problems i can go anywhere, get anything and if i want to go to a nice beach they are not too far away and nice air-con bus liner takes me into Manila or anywhere for a pocket full of coins if i feel like a change. Crime is a thing yes but use your common sense where you live and when and where and what time you go like any city. I'm in a nice condo with everything for a great price if it's too hot or raining whatever i have it all and if i don't there's 7/11's 24 hours or grab's anywhere for usually no more than 120p cheaper than trikes.
WiFi is not good and cell service by both major carriers are non existent. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Go to Vietnam and Thailand and you’ll see a major difference not just in the city but nation wide. You’re welcome. Olongapo is a pretty major city here. Just say’n !
Thanks for the update. Only reason I'm in Subic is the water. I see the pool in your background, but it's not the same. We differ on many of opinions. Of course we're always free to move.
Thanks for watching and chiming in damncars. I appreciate it. Thats why I say to each their own.
For me , I just don’t see the advancement here compared to Clark, and various places in Thailand and Vietnam. Even Siargao rebuilt so quick after being destroyed by Odette. I just don’t see it here. I agree about the pool not being the same but I like to swim so I need a pool for that but give me an ocean with cleaner water and I’m all over it. :)
Lived in Subic Bay the last 12 years and 2 years in AC, I prefer the beach, and do agree AC is the better place to visit, and I do!
Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching Chief.
Thanks for the actual situation George. To begin with, following Pinatubo - SBMA was miles ahead of Clark, mostly due to Richard Gordon's work on getting volunteers to look after the base (also the US Navy had done a lot to clean up following the eruption of Pinatubo where as the US Airforce had deserted Clark). Personally if I had the choice it would be Subic because it is by the sea despite the disadvantages (especially rainy season).
Thanks for the input and for watching Ray. Every time I leave for down south or go to Thailand or Vietnam and come back to subic bay I see the difference not in a good way here and I’m bored. It may just be me but not enough has been put into the subic area since the navy days and the base has gotten run down.
I currently live in Olongapo..but I really like AC overall. I definitely use Clark airport for all my travels, even long before the new terminal was completed. And like most, I love the beaches, but I do not need to live near them to enjoy them. My next jump will be to San Fernando area due to its centralized location. Short hop to Manila, VA, Embassy. Short commute to Clark Airport for travels and an hour from Subic/Olongapo if I ever feel I need to visit again. Plus, they have a new airport in the works in Lubao (Pradera Verde) next to a large events, racing and watersports park. Small aircraft though, but that's what I enjoy, general aviation and sports flying.
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An old Barrio steamer myself (once upon a time). Living part-time in Samar now. If I had to choose between Subic and Clark... Subic hands down! #tropicshade
Samar is a pretty place but not sure how many expats are there. Maybe you could elaborate. I hope you’re enjoying. The barrio is not what it once was an traffic on national Hi-way is a mess until the ByPass is built around Barretto but sadly that’s probably 4-10 years away. Thanks for watching.
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Interesting. Being by the water but only an hour from Clark is the big attraction of Subic. I think it depends on how much of your time you spend in the Philippines. If you are just on vacation for a few weeks but live in another country like I do in Japan, Subic is better. However I would imagine that if you live there full time it is limited and Clark Angeles is better. I think as a combination they are the best you will find in the Philippines, due to beach and infrastructure.
True Trevor. Everyone just needs to look for what best suits them. Thanks for watching as always.
Try to visit in subic bay is better than clark because so many attraction
1. Holy land subic
2.Jest Camp
3. Magaul Bird Park
4. Networx Jestport
5.Funstatic Park
6.Zoobic Safari
7.Ocean Adventure
8.Adventure Beach Water Park
9.Subic Bay Yatch Club
10. El Kabayo Subic bay
11.Subic Bay Golf Course
12.All Hands Beach Resort
13. Kamana Sanctuary
14. Acea Subic
15.Inflatble Island
16.Camayan Beach Resort
17.White Rock Beach Resort
18.Moon Bay Marina Water Park
19.Pamuklaklakin Forest Trail
20.Triboa Majestic Bay
21.Grande Island
22. Subic Botanical
23. Nike Factory Outlet
24. Addidas Outlet
25. Pure Gold Duty Free
26. Harbor Point Mall
27. Sm Olongapo Central
28. Sm Olongapo Downtown
Yes there are a lot of activities in Subic Bay but compared to Angeles/Clark it’s not close. Let’s see some of what Clark has:
1. Better restaurants both Internationsl and local )
2. Pampanga = Food Capitol of the Philippines
3. Better casinos such as Hann Casino Resort, Midori and Royce, Fontana and more
4. Better shopping places;
5. S&R,
6. Landers
7. SM City Clark,
8. Pure Gold x5 locations
8. Premium outlets,
10. Marquee Mall,
11. Nepo Mall, & Clark City Front Mall
12. Roobinson’s Angeles,
13. Newpoint Mall
14. Grab Car as cheap or cheaper than trikes
15. Aqua Planet
16. Dinosaur Island
17. A great functional airport - gateway to SE Asia and the world
18. Angeles Flying Club
19. Malolos-Clark Intl Airport train from Clark to Bulacan and is part of North-South Railway to Laguna is being constructed making travel to Manila only an hour and completion date is 2025.
29. Closer proximity to Sky Ranch Pampangai
21. Zoocobia fun zoo
22. Air Force City Golf Course,
23. Mimosa Plus Golf Course & many more in close proximity)
24. Clark Museum and 4D Theatre
25. Air Force City & Park
26. Clark Safari & Adventure Park
27. K-9 Cemetary
28. El Kabayo Horse Riding
29. Mount Pinatubo
30. Paradise Ranch
31. Holy Rosary Parish Church in Angeles
And so much more located at Clark/Angeles such as better roads &
overall more modern facilities than Subic
Explore the Philippines / Near & Far :)
@GeorgesAllaboutthePhilippines Some of attraction are not in clark like S&R,Landers,Marquee Mall,Nepo Mall,Robinson Angeles,Mount Pinatubo,Sky Ranch Pampanga
SM Central & SM downtown are in Olongapo not SBMA and White Rock is in Subic so I’m not sure of your point. Inflatable island is considered Olongapo. Those places make up part of greater Subic Bay, which is fine but then you can’t restrict things not in Clark as they’re in the greater Angeles area. My comparison was Clark/Angeles vs. Olongapo/SBMA. It’s a comparison of areas. It’s fine if you think Subic Bay is better and want to promote it - it’s your opinion. I promote both areas but wanted to do a true comparison.
if you’re being honest, I think you’ll have to admit Clark is far more advanced and modern than SBMA. Just say’n !
I was same era, there, USN, back 85-87' in /out of Subic a lot, on the Knox, out of Yoko .. Back as a Merchant, then MSC late 90's - 2006 .. I haven't been back since 2011' .. I wasn't liking AC "lost it charm" (lol) .. Always went back & forth, between Barreto and AC .. Olongapo memories (nostalgia) kinda' felt like "home" ..
That’s why I came here (My Navy days) . I had looked at the Caribbean and Central America including Dominican Republic but SE Asia appealed more to me with the wife from the PI. Thanks for watching.
@@GeorgesAllaboutthePhilippines I wouldn't doubt' something comes out of the Duterte - Marcos feud .. I recall Duterte was Trump's "little Buddy" .. and "China friendly" .. and a guy name Marcos .. "Who want's to be a Dictator" lol ("doomsday laughter) .. Most "in GOV's" got left holding the Pandemic Inflation Bag and got kicked out worldwide .. I think Duterte was popular, right, and people remember the good ol' pre Pandem Inflation days ..
Olongapo seems to have advanced to a certain point then just stalled. I still have family there. I prefer the Subic area rather than Pampanga. I like being near the bay. Like you I wont swim there. Not only the dirty water, have you ever seen the sharks?
Good comments Dave but Subic Bay to include Olongapo and SBMA have not progressed enough in my opinion and the old base has declined further and further. Clark seems to have their shit together. I love looking at the water but I repeat there are so many better options even San Antonio and Bataan but if I really want the good water I go south to the Visayas area or Vietnam and Thailand. I’m spoiled from many days in the Caribbean. It would help the area if the Bypass would get done around Barretto but that is at a minimum 4 years out and 10 realistically. There seems to be no hurry while traffic gets worse in the area.
@ yes Clark has done great! Very well developed. SBMA just seems it hasn’t done well. It seemed to start well then just petered out. I thought when they were talking about opening Cubi to international flights that might help. But that seems to have faded too. The Visayas is nice.
As much as AC has it's problems i can go anywhere, get anything and if i want to go to a nice beach they are not too far away and nice air-con bus liner takes me into Manila or anywhere for a pocket full of coins if i feel like a change. Crime is a thing yes but use your common sense where you live and when and where and what time you go like any city. I'm in a nice condo with everything for a great price if it's too hot or raining whatever i have it all and if i don't there's 7/11's 24 hours or grab's anywhere for usually no more than 120p cheaper than trikes.
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Yes you spend enough time in Angeles
WiFi is from a house or business that broadcasts internet signals, more cellphone towers are for MOBILE Network signals in the wild, youre welcome
WiFi is not good and cell service by both major carriers are non existent. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Go to Vietnam and Thailand and you’ll see a major difference not just in the city but nation wide. You’re welcome. Olongapo is a pretty major city here. Just say’n !