From FUTURE STAR QB to BENCHED (What Went Wrong For Haynes King?)
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- Texas A&M has had plenty of good quarterbacks over the last few years, but Haynes King was seen as the guy who could bring the Aggies to the next level. Sadly, it has been nothing but disappointment and today, we will take a look at the rise and fall of Haynes King and what is next for him, enjoy!
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I misspoke. I meant Eli Stowers, not Eli Holstein
Do the rise then fall then rise again of DJ uagilaia
@@Hbdowntown After he played the best game of his career? Rise fall then rise again?
@@zeusdeuce7438 no this year he’s had a resurgent since he looks better
You should do another video on him now as he was just named O'Brien National QB of the week and playing much better in GT
Yeah. Whatever “went wrong” at A&M, it’s not relevant now. Had a great 2023.
7:17 Appreciate the video. As a life long fan of Georgia Tech, I’m super excited to see what a change of scenery will do for Haynes King in the ACC. He has tough competition with Zach pyron, but it’s gonna be fun seeing them battle it out.
U would never have believed what happened 10 months ago
1 year of Haynes king was the one of the most refreshing GT years I’ve seen ever
he has been a real benefit to Georgia Tech as he can put points on the board faster than our defense can give them up.
In my opinion I think it was decision making. He was quick and precise to make one but it wouldnt necessarily be a good one. He would stare down his receivers, and then ran instead of going through the progression. Maybe if he went the Tannehill route and learned how the receivers think he may be able to comeback and try again.
A&M fan here. Despite his struggles I root for him. He seems like a good guy and I hope he gets a shot somewhere else. The window at A&M was already small for him since Conner is in town. Hoping for the best for him.
I feel the same!
Same here.
Hey are y'all happy with y'all's coach? It seems like y'all should be a lot better with how good TX high school football looks from outside the state
@@stephengrahn9361 uhhh I like jimbo, but I think someone should call the offense over him. Jimbo brings a good culture to the program
@@ImMufasa17 right on I pull for y'all sometimes.I am a Vol fan being from east TN and all.
Named the starting QB at Georgia Tech today.
I'm from Longview, Kings hometown. Im rooting for him. Hes a great guy and has lots of talent. Its a bump in the road. Hang in there, Haynes.
I'm from Longview as well. Even though he chose A&M, he's one of ours. I hope he gets back on track.
I'm from White Oak. He has an opportunity to shock the world tomorrow!
@@FatChedda One thing to note is Haynes has really not played that much. He got hurt last year in the second game of the season and missed the entire year. Ive sort of gotten the impression that Jimbo Fisher doesnt like his quarterbacks to run. If that is true, that takes away one of Kings strong points. The other kid, Max Johnson, played the entire year last year at LSU. Nothing can replace experience and King has yet to put in a full year. King has a great football mind and I think he just needs playing time.
From the Longview area and an A&M grad as well, really hoping Haynes can turn it around even if it’s not for A&M. The fan base is in such a weird place, that if you aren’t automatically Johnny Manziel in your first year, you’re going to get a lot of hate, it stinks and I think it ruins some of our chances for developing players long term.
He battled it out with Zach calzada and Eli stowers which wasn’t a competition everyone knew king would win the job and Eli stowers was a true freshman (Eli Holstein is a senior in hs and committed to bama)
Thank you I heard that name and was like wait what
Love your videos.
So in depth.
Thanks a lot.
Also your soundtrack is second to none.
Thanks for that!
Hey Scott keep doing what ur doing I love the vids
I agree that Jimbo's play calling has definitely not helped Haynes on the field, but the biggest difference for me between King and Johnson is simply, Max has had 0 turnovers in his 2 starts against ranked opponents. As said in the video, Max definitely is not the playmaker that King is or was, but he is trustworthiness and decision making with the ball, is the simple reason for me why he got the nod.
He is a Jacket now and we hope he becomes a #1 draft pick
GO JACKETS!
Based on the comments in the video, it seems he has similar issues to our previous QB, Jeff Sims. Great arm, poor choices, can’t make third downs, and has been injured. Hope Wienke can work with him and overcome any residual issues, as he will definitely have a shot to start.
Watching this video a year later and Haynes King is a star at Georgia Tech. Here's to hoping 2024 is something really special for him.
Collin Schlee looked fantastic against Georgia. A video about him would be pretty cool
He may be like Bo Nix who had an up and down career at Auburn but seems to find his stride playing Pac 12 talent at Oregon.
I have to admit, Haynes King at UTSA would look pretty nice. And a video on the current UTSA QB would also be a nice way to let the fans see, UTSA football is here to play.
Noted!
Eddie Lee Marburger is a baller for UTSA and redshirt freshman. King will most likely go somewhere else. Although, 3rd string UTSA QB is a junior right now.
same time there's no i in team, everyone has to contribute for the win
The A&M fan base's favorite quarterback is their next quarterback.
Mine was always Weigman before King and Mond
lol thinking the same thing, are kings of next year and next guy. it's been over 25 years of this since I follow them.
After the last 2 games and today's game, I truly believe he would play better elsewhere. Jimbo sucks as an OC and out offense is horrendous no matter who the QB is. Look at Max Johnson at aTm compared to LSU. Good at LSU, horrible at aTm. Please Jimbo fire yourself from the OC job and hire one.
He'll be at UTSA, Coach Traylor is from East Texas so they're probably the favorite
I honestly envisioned a season where King and Johnson could be swapped depending on the opponent and what play style would be required. Haynes is a skilled young man, but the poise and overall ability to make good decisions quickly is where he seemed to be lacking.
It is almost impossible for an athlete to overcome BAD COACHING. It is the coaches who call the plays and decide which players are going to be on the field. ALMOST all coaches have a playbook and tendencies and they ABSOLUTLEY REFUSE TO CHANGE THEIR PLAY CALLING TO USE THE PLAYERS IN THEIR BEST NATURAL ABILITIES. If these coaches were carpenters they would use putty knives as a screw driver.
He was touted as Manziel 2.0, and showed so much promise, with quick thinking and being great as a dual threat in general.
I just feel he got rattled after his season ending injury against Colorado.
Nah he just doesn’t have it. Pretty obvious
No he just didn't get rattled. Every time he was on the field before this year from spring games to mop up duty he was throwing INTs. People wanted to ignore that also it was pretty evident he wasn't athletic, looked like a baby giraffe running and had a weak arm.
welll haynes king had a hell of a season this year at tech
A&M fan: went to the bama game this past weekend and I like him a lot more after he definitely left it all on the field he just needs to work on finding the open man and getting the ball to him consistently.
The problem isn't King. It's the offensive line.
Being a player for Texas A & M is a hard job. The fans have unreasonable expectations and the coach blames the players for failures. Playing in the SEC west the deck is stacked against them as it is every team pursuing a national championship. We have entered into a time of parity in college football. I'm having a hard time imagining dynasty's going forward.
His biggest mistake was choosing A&M over Tennessee. Pruitt was the coach at the time but imagine this guy getting a shot in Heupel’s offense…
I would love to trade you King for Hooker. Hooker makes good decisions and hits open receivers.
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s Haha I respectfully decline that offer😂. But it would’ve been interesting to see King coached by Heupel for a couple years. Now I guess we’ll never know
@@ngroll2910 I think the injury has him rattled. He just didn’t look confident in his first two games and that probably played into his poor decisions and lack of being able to make a decision. I wish he hadn’t gotten hurt. If he can get his mind right he has all the natural talent. Confidence for a QB is everything. I always think that’s what made Tom Brady Tom Brady. A limited QB that was able to come in, game manage, and win a couple of Superbowls early gave him all the confidence in the world
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s Believe it or not King does not have the ability and intangibles to make a good SEC quarterback.
He should transfer to SMU
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s He wasn't good before the injury either. In that years spring game he kept throwing ducks and INTs. Then in the season opener he threw 3 INTs and A&M only was able to pull away because of a pick 6. Then in the game he got injured he wasn't doing anything either.
He was forcing passes into non-existent seams this year. I think he can grow out of that. Biggest problem I've seen in the early games this year was blocking (or lack thereof).
He had enough time in the App State game and still threw in the dirt or behind receivers
@@TylerEubank, I wasn't able to watch the whole game, but ok. I don't think it's lack of ability. Maybe it's a mental thing that he'll never be able to overcome, but I don't think so. Either way, I think it was right to bench him.
@@Ridingrules10000 All you need to watch is the last drive he literally missed three game winning throws.
I doubt he goes to SMU, Preston Stone is basically locked in to start as soon as Mordecai leaves similar to Weigman at A&M
Can you do an update on this video after the year he had with GA Tech?
Cedric Tillman, from 2 star recruit to one of the best WRs in college, good story there
I'd love to see a video on BYU QB Jaren Hall
To quote the good lord Tathan: "he's ass, my dude."
Man I was working in Longview, TX his junior year when he lead them to a state championship and I've went to 2 a&m games to watch him play but he was benched both times the game before 😒
Every year I get my hopes up for this team lol
Last I heard Baylor’s qb room is pretty loaded
rumor has it that his helmet size increases every game
He will make a good coach one day 🐘🎉🐘🎉🐘🎉🐘🎉RTR
He is out of there! Too much competition and the fans have turned on him! Go to Sam Houston! Eat ‘em up Bearkats!
He was botching handoffs during the App State game. That alone should be a fireable offense for a QB. Forget the struggles with his pass decision making.
Watching this video 3 hours before his first start at GT. C'mon kid. We're pulling for you in atl.
As an aggie, who watched his games last season, i dont think his injury messed with confidence. My only reason being that he wasnt a decisive runner before that injury. And as far as passing goes, i think he plays with a gunslinger mentality which obviously hasnt worked out at A&M
He's a gunslinger without the arm. Also he missed so many open guys
The coach makes the plays. The player listens and follow suit.
Gt fan here. We will gladly take him.
How about King ending up at Illinois with former UTSA OC Barry Lunney as his offensive coordinator
He has a weird looking throwing motion. Always been a little skeptical for that reason alone
Yes, he's made some bad decisions causing turnovers, but his overall stats are still better than Max Johnson's, both in passing completion, YPA, and rushing. With his elite speed, if he could figure out the RPO, he would be JFF-like. If he could clean up the turnovers, and could learn when to take off, he would be a world beater in my opinion. He looks like a great kid and I feel we will eventually see him in the NFL.
Max played against two top13 P5 schools.
King played against and FCS and SunBelt school while having 2 years in the system…
He is nothing like JFF and people need stop making that comparison
As an Aggie, I’d rather us have pro Tim Tebow vs Tampa Jameis. With talent waiting behind I want ugly qb play wins vs flashes of potential in losses. Texas and OU moving to the SEC scares me in that we need to get wins or risk poor recruiting at the wrong time
Literally no one thought he would do any of this outside of A&M folks
My sense is he's a bit too fragile at his current weight and muscle mass. In HS he could get away with his speed being far superior to defenders giving him time to scramble and hit open receivers or run for yardage - and rack up the stats. In the college game, his speed is not significantly greater than everyone else, and he's taken hits from top athletes he's never felt before. He can't easily run from defenders anymore and has become very wary of the next big hit on the way. Especially after his season ending injury. He's now got very jittery, thrown bad passes, and made poor decisions as a result. If he hit the weight room and nutrition program he could add some girth at the expense of a little speed, and become a more confident QB. He also has to develop quickness - a la Manziel - not just top end break away speed. If he's smart, he'll stick around and take advantage of the training and program at TAMU. It's a long season, and he's likely to see the field again and needs to make the most of it when that time comes. In the meantime, he needs to hit the gym and the cafeteria.
So far so good
Haynes King didn't really do anything wrong except for buying into Jimbo Fisher's QB blender of a program. You can't expect to be a successful QB if you're running the same offense from 2014
King would’ve still been atrocious
Agree 100 percent. Jimbo sucks at developing QBs (got luck woth Winstien) and sucks as an OC. Our offense is the worst I have ever seen as an aggie and I hope he hires an actual OC next year.
Haynes Ga Tech needs and wants you
Yo guys, am I the only one who isn´t a fan when a family member is also directly involved in managing the team, especially the qb position? More so in this case, since his father, as the head coach, have a saying in every aspect.
Haynes is a beast on his own, and most likely would shine even if he didn´t play for his father, but I can´t but imagine his father doing everything possible to tailor the team so it would fit his son´s playstyle and all, while also giving his son more attention and leaving other talented kids to dry who had the bad luck to play qb and be in his sons time in HS.
I know that´s life, and life isn´t fair, so you gotta learn how to play the cards you are dealt with, but still leaves a bitter taste for me.
Longview has run pretty much the same offense since 2004 with slight variances. The school puts a good amount of players in the league.
The school won a chip during kings time on campus, had one of the best rushers in Texas and a guys go d1 from the secondary. Texas high school football is akin to p5 football, you don’t win you don’t work…you play your best players so you keep the 6 figure salary.
You dont know Lobo football
@@tamudawsonJohn King might be earning six figures since he also is the athletic director for the Longview I.S.D. Coach King likes to run up the score during the first half so he can play the JV team in the second half to get some experience playing good teams that are desperate to score. King says that allows them to see every offensive and defensive schemes known to mankind by the time they're seniors.
So glad he is a Jacket!
College Station is where QB careers go to die.
How many promising high school QBs have gone to A&M only to never be heard of again.
I think he doesn't have enough game time to call an end to his career. Last year was a wash after his leg was broken. Personally I think the issue is Fisher, his offense and his insistence on being the Head Coach and the play caller.
Jimbo isn’t great, but King just looked comfortable under the big lights this year. He consistently made bad decisions, missed open receivers, even struggled to decide to hold or handoff on rpo’s. You can blame coaching all day long, but the coach isn’t the one that was missing easy open throws or making bad decisions.
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s I agree with what you're saying, however, you can count on one hand the number of starts King has. I don't expect anyone to excel in a situation where they are the focus and have very little experience. I would say it's actually very rare for a brand new QB to excel. You'll get people like the Alabama QB that is a star right off the bat, but he's surrounded by 5 star talent and great coaching. You can't say that about King. I'm certainly not making excuses for King, I am thinking he should be a backup and run the opposing team offense in practice so that he can get experience under his belt. Maybe after a year of that and he'll mature and make better decisions. Unfortunately I actually think he's going to transfer before he does that.
@@gishjalmr5628 I disagree. King had a lot of talent around him. He was given his chance over two games against what should have been warm up games and failed to get the offense going. After the App state loss there was no other choice but to bench him. I could understand trying to stick with him if he was playing good and lost. But that wasn’t the case. I hope nothing but the best for the kid, but as of now he blew his shot at A&M. Anything can happen in the season, and he might get another chance. I think he will transfer as long as Weigman doesn’t transfer.
@@gishjalmr5628 Weigman is the real deal.
@@TylerEubank So they say until he isn't, then the next can't miss, real deal comes along 🤣
I don't understand why these good quarterbacks or any position player doesn't go to a school like Texas State or a smaller school so you get more playing time. The bigger the school the less likely of playing time because the competition is so fierce. Not that there won't be competition at a smaller school but you are less likely to get lost in the crowd. I guess the bright lights from the big schools is too much to pass up.. just my humble opinion!
Jimbo Fisher happened. He is going to wreck that program. Florida State still hasn’t recovered
He got AP poll best QB in TEXAS just like Kyler Murray. He's not out yet, omg
Nothin wrong with Haynes it's that catalog Jimbo calls a playbook. You look at every game A&M is on TV with and you see Jimbo over there sorting out 25 pages of plays where the rest of the play calling coaches have a placard with plays on the front and back. If he would change (bring in a OC with a modern concept of RPO and spread offense)and simplify that offense and bring it into the 21st century he'd be a successful coach .But he's not going to change he's hard-headed. This knot head is going to force A&M to buy out that 87 million remaining on that ridiculous unnecessary contract Ross bjork gave him. But the good news is hell after 700 million spent in The last 5 years on that program what's another 87 million rite?? They fired Summlin and he had a better record than Jimbo.
Do a video on Jordan Travis
You should do Adrian Martinez.
Uuhhhh UPDATE. This kid is killing it at Georgia Tech right now and should be getting some Heisman mention right now.
Big time analyst here. It's simple, after watching King absolutely blow for the past 2 years, I have come to the simple conclusion. His oversized, dare I say MASSIVE helmet he's wearing is the reason for all his failures. I mean look at that thing! His helmet is bigger than Darth Helmet's, helmet in Space Balls, and that's gotta be a top two heaviest helmet of all time. Darth Helmet big time failure, Haynes King, big time failure. Common denominator? Big, big helmet. I think a helmet change might be vital to his future success.
Haynes at Tech though 😎
wow i'm going off the assumption that the high school highlights are taken from games with other power house programs with d1 caliber players, or else his 4.5 speed on paper does not transfer to play speed. alot of those rushing td's the defenders were closing the gap quickly once he was behind them. In most levels of high school play a true 4.5 player in open space will be widening the gap but again, i hope and want to believe these are nationally ranked programs with 4.3/4.4 safeties.
Jimbo went wrong with king. Hope he finds a better fit.
What went wrong? Poor system fit and coaching. Jimbo doesn’t have a #1 receiver, the OL is mediocre, and the offensive play calling is stale. Haynes is a scrambler and makes plays outside the pocket but Jimbo keeps him in with the exception of a few QB options. His talent was squandered at A&M much like Kylers and Kyle Allen.
In East Texas I watched a lot of his games at Longview and a lot of times it was the defense that made him look good because he did throw a lot of pics and they had to go bail him out quite a bit there are several opportunities against Lufkin and John Tyler where they could have turned the game around but long use defense shut them out in the game he once stayed in he almost blew that game the defense had to buckle down as he threw a few pics the thing that saved him to win state was the fact that the whole game the other quarterback on the other side had played perfect and threw his only interception and costs in the game giving Longview that State title he's very talented the problem is he makes cluster mistakes and some of their wins it took him a while to get going and they had a lot of three announce and a lot of interceptions the defense held up for him even when he put his Texas uniform and it started his first game last year and they had them blown out he did throw some terrible interceptions against the terrible team to be honest with you if he had remained the starter and not got hurt I don't think we would have beat Alabama I honestly think we should have dumped him and kept Zack calzana .
Are you okay?
I’m out of breath reading that to myself. Could use some punctuation .
You are clueless. He only threw 4 interceptions his entire Junior year--The year Longview won state (2018)
This dude smooth just lied😂 I played with Haynes back in 2017 at Longview and I promise you he didn’t throw a shit load of interceptions, in fact his 3 years on varsity he only threw 10 picks within that span. Defense never made him look good either, our offensive was a powerhouse. Tf was you watching bruh😂😂
5:12 King's helmet is 2 sizes too big. Looks like a peewee football player.
I don’t think king has gotten a fair I mean he’s only played 3 1/2 games, yes he missed some throws against app state, but literally everything went wrong that game not just his fault. I still think king should be starting.
It is an argument of what is better Higher roof but lower floor or higher floor with lower roof. For now Johnson is the better option as he is a proven commodity and stabilizes the team
He should definitely NOT be starting. My god
He lost to App St. A&M is 1-3 if king is starting.
@@JJ-zr6fu I don’t think even max Johnson would’ve won that game, that was a entire team problem.
I agree. And each time I say that King should still be the starter, I get blasted. His stats are still far superior to Max's, but Jimbo is fighting for his job, so he felt a lot of pressure to make the switch. His completion %, his YPA, he's got more TD's, his running....all his stats are better except for his INT's. Yes, he needs to stop turning the ball over, but at least he's stretching the field, which Max has not done yet.
I love the aggies and always will .I would love to go to aggieland but unfortunately I'm in razorback country I think arkansas is way over rated and the quarterback is way over rated could you do a viedo on K C Jackson
Where is Connor W. fitting into the rotation, is he QB3 right now or did he redshirt? I admittedly hadn’t followed it, but live not far from Bridgeland and did follow his HS career closely. It just seemed well understood that Fisher had tabbed him as “the guy” considering the recruiting class.
Can any Aggies speak to that?
You can play in 4 games and still redshirt under the current NCAA rules….so he will likely be redshirted unless something happens to both Max and King.
@@dcs6500 Weigman isn't playing 5 years of college he's too good.
@@JJ-zr6fu No doubt. Which is why I’m curious about where he fits in. Fisher LOVED him before he even got to campus, and if he’s not careful he could lose him to baseball as he has a bright future there as a prospect. A dual athlete at the SEC level is rare, he also comes from resources as Bridgeland is a very upper middle class community- he could have options if he wanted to.
Why does his helmet look so large? It's like a baby in a spacesuit
ive noticed that too lol
Make him a wide receiver. Ryan Tannehill played wide receiver pretty darn well for 2 1/2 years until he got his chance at quarterback beating out Jerrod Johnson.With Aggie receiver corps less than stellar we could use his speed and athleticism. Wouldn’t have to think much - just catch the damn ball.
Yea thinking is a problem for him
Ryan Tannehill was an outstanding athlete. King is not
3rd fastest guy on the team ; got to have some talent, just not QB material between the earholes.
@@at4dan201 He's not athletic look at how he runs and throws. He hardly looks like a D1 athlete.
Tannehill was a QB in high school. When Jerrod won the QB job, Tannehill wanted to be on the field, so the coaches suggested he play WR, but he was still in the QB room. When Jerrod got injured, he never came back the same, thus, Tannehill got his chance. The rest is history. Tannehill is a more decisive runner than King, which is what caused defenses problems. If King could work on decision making, he could still be very special. He's a great kid. I'm pulling for him.
Jimbo good qbs: Jameis Winston, ...
App State ended this man's career, he isn't the first or the last.
Honestly, I think this season so far has been on the O line and coaching. King isn’t the best decision maker and does have many flaws but he needs time in the pocket when passing
Maybe all the little mistakes made very often by King are not all his to blame. But fumbling the ball 5 times in the first quarter?? He gets sacked all the time because he won’t throw. Coaching and o-line has a lot to do with it but King rarely shows up as the King we recruited.
Transferred to Ga Tech. Go Jackets.
Georgia Tech thanks Jimbo for benching Haynes!
Career resurgence in gt
Connors team next year. Max is consistent
Welp now it’s up in the air if he’ll start again
And just like that, he's the starter again with Johnson's thumb injury. For every backup QB out there, don't be so quick to transfer. You're one injury away from starting.
What went wrong??? He went to Texas A&M to play for Bimbo the QB destroyer. What QB did has he ever developed OR put in the league???
Oh yeah Eli Holstein is presently a Senior in high school. Hard to take someone seriously that would goof up that.
Haynes is a Yellow Jacket and under the coaching of Chris Wienke who can flat out Coach QBs . Jimbo the hard head was the problem. Haynes will take off like a rocket on the launch pad in the ATLANTA. Three two one...........BOOM WE HAVE LIFTOFF
Big thing with King is that he stares down his receivers and early uses a secondary read.
He should transfer to UCF. Gus Malzahn knows how to use a guy like this.
He’s a star at Georgia Tech.
Get. Conner. Ready.
Connor Wegman is the next Johnny Manziel
I'm excited for Wiegman but he's not. Let Weigman be his own QB. He will probably look more like Mahomes because of their baseball backgrounds.
😂 “Back” to the promise land
He looked like a high school qb trying play college ball...
‘What Went Wrong For Haynes King?” He went aggy.
Post miss state Johnson may have broken his thumb. King will most likely start vs alabama
Now look at him now, A&M MADE A BIG MISTAKE. HE WILL MAKE ALL HEADS TURN NOW. A&M WAS MY TEAM FOR YEARS. NOT ANY MORE . THEY CREATED THIS MESS WITH THE QB CONTROVERSY. HE IS DOING VERY WELL AT G T. IM FROM LONGVIEW AND WE NEVER GAVE UP ON HAYNES.
Poor coaching I guess, he is a star at Georgia Tech...
Haynes is on a team that is too big headed, an coaches obviously don’t know what they are doin.