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What a beautiful rifle! In my experience these produce 10.5-11.0 fpe with 8.64gr H&N FTT and 11.0-11.5 with 8.3gr RWS Super Domes. Maybe it'll come up a bit as you put some more shots through it.
@@marcmyers1465 Hey Marc, good to see you here as well. You know me, can't pass up on a HW50S/99 video 😁 I would expect a TP diameter of around 2.9mm on current production.
Hi Kevin, over this side of the pond a common drop in kit is the TBT which includes various power washers to go on the rear of the main spring guide, I have used these on my 30s and 50s and you can increase the power to the desired number, that said I only run my 50s at 10.3FPE, as for me I target shoot only and its an ideal speed, I'm surprised your kit didn't have any adjustment washers, but such a lovely looking gun, maybe you will do a part 3 update on the power level.? love your videos.👍👍
I change my barrel on my 2 year old HW50, went from a standard 177 to .22 K (Short with 1/2UNF) Original numbers 746fps 14Joule now it is 531fps and only 11,4Joule, i did not expect that🤔 At least yours is now operating smoothly and it looks great.
Thanks very much. I'm confident that I'll get this gun to between 13.5 and 15 joule. The new, tighter fitting piston seal may be all that's needed. Thanks for watching, my friend.
nice clean job, might be my old ears but it does sound like you are getting some spring rebound, whilst almost impossible to eliminate completely a well fitted piston liner and a delrin top hat can help, personally I would not be shy of applying some heavy tar to the first three or four spring coils [piston end] If your piston seal running too freely it will encourage rebound and drop power levels. Might also be worth running a good micrometer up and down the compression tube paying special attention to the first half inch behind the internal breech face. abused guns can suffer with belling imperceptible to the naked eye.?Never owned a fifty but from what I understand they are capable of much better power and consistency I think your feelings about the piston seal are quite correct. Correction I did own a fifty for a year or two no recollection of shooting it or serving it do remember selling it, it was scruffy as I recall purchased it in a job lot from an auction.
Great job smoothing out this rifle! Glad you were able to fix that galling and the breech lock up issues. It looked like you were giving very little effort through it all, so that was awesome to see. Still in awe of how you reassemble a rifle and make it look so easy. The power numbers are a little disappointing. I was almost certain you’d have this beauty humming after all the new parts you put in. Hopefully it’s just the piston seal you mentioned and you swap it out in the future if the power level eats away at you. It looks like a smooth, sweet shooting rifle in the mean time though. Definitely a success and bell ringing worthy!!!
Thanks very much. Yeah, it's a bitter sweet ending for sure. I'm confident that the gun can produce more power when everything's running properly. I'll get it sorted out. Thanks as always, my friend.
Perhaps it needs a new breach seal, or the new piston seal needs running in. I would definitely try putting a few more pellets through the rifle. Also try putting a little tissue over the beach to see if any air is escaping.
The breech seal is fine. It passes the tissue test with flying colors. I still think that the less than snug fitting piston seal may be the issue. I've got a tighter fitting seal to try next. Thanks as always, Steve.
20:49....great video as always. Mine seems to shoot the best from a power and accuracy perspective using H&N FTT. Keep up the good work, and maybe persevere by putting at least 200 pellets thru it before changing any thing else.
At this point I'd have likely changed the breech seal just to cross it off the list... But admittedly I'm REALLY anal about these things. I figure if the polymer of one seal is worn or dry the other may not be far behind. 🤷🏼♂️ I've had seals test well only for the replacement to sort it out... 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ A breech seal is $5.00 bucks, but an hour of shop time is 37.50 ! 😕 Many times on the Olde Diana's somebody lost the original shim under the seal and you either replace it or pack the seal out with a strand of copper wire. 😉
@@marcmyers1465 I was just working through what I would’ve done. I know that rifle can produce a lot more than 9 ft lb. He has a lot of experience. I’m sure he will try everything.
@@Steve-CrossKevin's been Repairing, Rebuilding, Kitting, and Tuning Airguns Allot longer than most folks understand. He's just Way more prudent than I am... 😉 I get pretty twitchy when a build throws me a curve. Normally I'm extremely analytical, and plan for any conceivable outcome so when things get weird... I get Weirder ! 🥴👍
Beautiful gun!! I know it's bugging ya it's not hitting the numbers you want but unless you need those couple extra foot pound, enjoy! She's a beauty!! 😎
Thanks, man. You're right, though...It's bothering me. 🤣 I'll try that other piston seal before I consider leaving well enough alone. Something's up, and I'd like to find out what it is. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Well its at least cocking and closing as should. I know you will be dissapointed with the power. And because youre also perfectionist , somehow you will make also that better. Youre a airrifle wizzard. Haha But seriously. Enjoyed the video as usual.
weihrauch says its should 245 meters sec (803,6 fps)in 177 with a standard weight pellet but that is the new models ,in the past it was 210 , there are hard and softer seals , the hard are for the 77 and higher
hello great video. if you look into the history of this air rifle they were designed to do around 9ft lbs of energy and were classified as junior /ladies rifle. i am no expert this is just what i looked up on the internet. thank you David
Good to see you have some of the problems sorted. To get the numbers you want may require a full cylinder hone. If out of round or it "runs out", those are more difficult issues to correct-(I am certain you know this already). Best wishes on this Kevin, but you may have to relegate this rifle to lower performance than the platform is normally capable.
Yes, I worry about an out of round cylinder on this rifle. I'll try the tighter fitting piston seal first and keep my fingers crossed 🤞. Thanks as always, my friend.
@@thelvadam8916Oddly enough I'll actually Stop to bore scope a rifle, but generally lack the patience to film a build ? 🤦🏼♂️ I should probably just put CCTV in the shop, but lacking the delicate interpersonal skills. to play Rugby, I'd likely run afoul of TH-cam the 1st. week. 😬
@@marcmyers1465 I don't create content because a spring piston powerplant is about as advanced as I get, technically speaking. I am not a Luddite, but not far from it. I do appreciate those who have the patience and knowledge to create content.
I’ve had two of these rifles with a constricted cylinder for the last 20mm or 5/8” ish at the transfer port end and both struggled to make power as the piston seal was sized to the tight end of the cylinder so was loose for 80% of its stroke on firing so you could check that bud.
@@marcmyers1465 it was the transfer port end and I come to the conclusion that when they welded around the cylinder for the breech jaws/end plug the heat made it shrink as the end plus must of had a slight bit of play.
I think the end of the cylinder where the holes are pressed are always a little out of round from the stamping but that has no negative effect once you get the seal passed it.
@@FrostiTheRoadmanThere were more than a few of the transitional HW50S/HW99's that suffered from this, and the only sure way is to Sunnen hone the cylinder, but that's a pretty expensive fix. 😣 There are a wealth off posts and discussions on this on the boards but very little if any productive resolutions that are actually helpful. 🤷🏼♂️ Mostly just spit balling, grousing and idle complaints echo'd by the usual Ambulance chasers... 😒
Hey Kevin, when I rebuilt mine with the Tinbum tuning kit, it came with 3 delrin washers to pack out the piston, instructions said to install these washers until power was what you wanted, obviously in the UK we have to be careful, from memory, I installed 1 washer and I'm getting 11.5 foot pounds, I can't remember the fps but mine is a .22 anyway.
@mickchaganis6607 One of my subscribers pointed out that a loose fitting seal can lead to piston bounce or rebound, which will rob the gun of power. Fingers crossed 🤞...
Folks frequently confuse power washers up inside the piston with the spacers in the rear of the spring... 🤦🏼♂️ Naturally this can cause issues with latch engagement or piston bounce and a lousy shot cycle. 😕 Yourself excluded naturally, but some guys just can't necessarily wrap their head around that. 🤷🏼♂️
Hello! Your videos are relaxing to watch, i like them I just got me a 50S and i got the front and back iron side off the rifle same like you do on yours. Just like the way it looks, will this give anny problems with the screw holes being open? Ot is it no problem. Kind regards from the Netherlands!
Well, congratulations on your acquisition of a very fine air rifle indeed! That rifle will provide years of enjoyment for you and the next generation. I typically don't worry about the screw holes. I could see an issue it the rifle had gotten wet and the water sat in those holes for a while. Check out this thread regarding filling Weihrauch screw holes. www.airgunnation.com/threads/sight-screw-plugs-after-removing-the-iron-sights.1249408/ I've also heard of folks using a black crayon to fill them. Thanks so much for the kind words, my friend.
That doesn't look like a full power spring its it looks like the weaker target spring. The top hat and rear delrin washer's cut the spring length down. The consistency of power seems its a well set up paper puncher. The German and Italian guns are rated at around 10 joules for legal reasons
I suppose that it's possible that I received the wrong spring. It's supposed to be a full power kit. If I can get the rifle to shoot between 10 & 11 fpe, I'll be happy. Thanks so much for your input and for your viewership, my friend.
Your tolerances seem different to mine. Getting the breach block and washer in on mine is super easy but fitting the large pivot bolt is an absolute nightmare. Maybe try fitting aome extra washers inside the piston. Atleast it cocks lovely and smooth and its more consistent fps.
Yes, getting everything lined up can be a chore. I find that those bearing washers can interfere with getting the pivot bolt back in. Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
Sometimes it's helpful to align everything with a 1/4" punch from the backside 1st. and then gently thread the pivot bolt in as it pushes the punch back out ? 🤔
@@marcmyers1465 my barrel is not aligned with the main cylinder. Scope maxed out and still shoots 1" off centre. The main pivot bolt isnt 90° to the main body. Somehing is manufactured wrong.
@@marcmyers1465 yes the pivot bolt isnt 90°to the main tube. I can pack one side out with a extra washer but then its not smooth to cock. My other 50s is perfect.
hi kevin...i bought a hw35e a month ago...the rifle is fantastic it is deadly accurate and looks beautiful with walnut stock but i have a little problem with the trigger adjustment screw...noticed after a few hundred pellets it turns to the left...i i put it back on the first position but it happens again after shooting...please help my friend
Hi Nikola. This is a common problem, and although some will undoubtedly disagree, I use a single drop of serviceable blue Loctite. Remove the screw with the trigger facing upward. Count the number of revolutions that are needed to remove the screw and keep that number handy for reassembly. Be careful not to lose the small spring, which is under the screw. Degrease and dry the screw and add a drop of the Loctite. Replace the screw and screw it in the same amount of turns that you used to remove it. Let the rifle sit for several hours. Overnight is ideal. The screw should stay put from there. Good luck, my friend.
Haven't tried too many different pellets yet. I will eventually. I'm more concerned with the lack of power. Once that's been rectified, I'll start looking for the right pellets. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Thanks, Peter. Maybe you're right. Retailers here advertise over 800 fps in .177, and I've got a tuned 50S in .22 that delivers 13.5 fpe, so that's why I'm expecting somewhere around 11 fpe. From this full power kitted .177 . Thanks as always, my friend.
@@razor1962 I think they are using alloy pellets to get 820FPS . I bet with a new spring and the Oversize seal you would gain the 55 FPS back to 755 FPS. Have a feeling it being an old gun of British stats .
Hello, Could you help me with a problem? The accuracy of my Crosman spring piston went south for some reason. I have done the usual cleaning, screw tightening, scope check, etc. Nothing helps. I went from tight groups to 3 inch vertical string at 15 yards. I changed the breech seal and put a piece of toilet paper over the breech, and there seems to be no air leak. Could this be the piston seal?
It could very well be the piston seal Bill. Have you got access to a chronograph? That would help with figuring out what's going on. Check for a broken spring. Vertical stringing would most likely be caused by a variation in the rifles velocity. Less likely, but possible is the scope, assuming that you're using one, may have let go. Perhaps Marc will chime in. His knowledge of airguns is extensive. He may think of something that I haven't considered.
Seriously ? 😂 I have the very same ARH kit in my .22 HW50S and it's producing a full 12 FPE. How much experience do "You" personally have with this kit ? Are you speaking from your own actual personal experience or simply Paul Parroting some forum fan boy blather ? 🤨
I don't know Joe...I've had excellent results with both makes. I'm not partial to either. I'm at a loss to explain the less than ideal output numbers, but I haven't given up yet, my friend.
I suppose that it's possible, Andy. I did a visual inspection, and it looks perfect, but for the cost of a new breech seal, it's worth a try. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Try the tissue paper test. I've had some seals that look fine yet are "blowing off" and I've had new seals that have had issues and I've had to shim them from the rear. @@razor1962
Hey, Kevin... If the rifle is actually one of those intermediate production rifles... And only "IF" ? It may actually produce more power with an original Weihrauch seal in the short term, but that unfortunately might also confirm it IS a stinker. 🤬 You'll figure it out and hopefully document the process for others. 😊
@@razor1962Sounds reasonable. 😉 Even "if" you find that it's one of those crowned actions the right seal should still scavenge enough air to pull it off. 😊 Try the CP HP's and RWS Super Domes. 🤔
The original 25mm format can produce more that that with the right kit... but it's best firing characteristics are best around 9.5 to 10 FPE... 🤷🏼♂️ Just because a man "Can" do a thing does not necessarily mean they "Should"... 😉
I've got a .22 cal 50s that's been tuned. It delivers 13.5 fpe. I expect a .177 to run around 11 fpe. I could be wrong, but it seems like a reasonable expectation to me. Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
making the transferport bigger is a balance with the springpower and compression speed ,becaus a wide port wil not heat the air up ,that is a big factor in the air volume you get .hot air expands and flows faster@@razor1962
@calchedz Good to know. Thank you very much. I don't shoot that rifle much at all, so it'll probably never get broken in.🤣 Thanks for watching, my friend.
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Thanks very much, and thanks for watching, my friend
What a beautiful rifle!
In my experience these produce 10.5-11.0 fpe with 8.64gr H&N FTT and 11.0-11.5 with 8.3gr RWS Super Domes. Maybe it'll come up a bit as you put some more shots through it.
Those numbers that you mention are exactly what I'm expecting from the rifle. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
Thanks for watching, too, my friend.
Was yours an early rifle with a leather seal ?
@justso1823 No, it's got synthetic seals but good call. I still think that it's reasonable to expect somewhere between 10 and 11 fpe from this rifle.
Hey, Russ 👋, you don't happen to recall the breech port diameter on yours by chance ? 🤔 And good to see you here ! 😉👍
@@marcmyers1465 Hey Marc, good to see you here as well. You know me, can't pass up on a HW50S/99 video 😁
I would expect a TP diameter of around 2.9mm on current production.
Hi Kevin, over this side of the pond a common drop in kit is the TBT which includes various power washers to go on the rear of the main spring guide, I have used these on my 30s and 50s and you can increase the power to the desired number, that said I only run my 50s at 10.3FPE, as for me I target shoot only and its an ideal speed, I'm surprised your kit didn't have any adjustment washers, but such a lovely looking gun, maybe you will do a part 3 update on the power level.? love your videos.👍👍
Hi Peter. I'm hoping for something in the neighborhood of 10 - 10 fpe. If I can achieve this, I'll be quite satisfied.
Thanks as always, my friend.
I change my barrel on my 2 year old HW50, went from a standard 177 to .22 K (Short with 1/2UNF) Original numbers 746fps 14Joule now it is 531fps and only 11,4Joule, i did not expect that🤔 At least yours is now operating smoothly and it looks great.
Thanks very much. I'm confident that I'll get this gun to between 13.5 and 15 joule. The new, tighter fitting piston seal may be all that's needed.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
nice clean job, might be my old ears but it does sound like you are getting some spring rebound, whilst almost impossible to eliminate completely a well fitted piston liner and a delrin top hat can help, personally I would not be shy of applying some heavy tar to the first three or four spring coils [piston end] If your piston seal running too freely it will encourage rebound and drop power levels. Might also be worth running a good micrometer up and down the compression tube paying special attention to the first half inch behind the internal breech face. abused guns can suffer with belling imperceptible to the naked eye.?Never owned a fifty but from what I understand they are capable of much better power and consistency I think your feelings about the piston seal are quite correct. Correction I did own a fifty for a year or two no recollection of shooting it or serving it do remember selling it, it was scruffy as I recall purchased it in a job lot from an auction.
Thanks, David. I do have an oversized seal that I'm going to try in the rifle. Perhaps that's all that's wrong. Thanks as always, my friend.
Great review and a great way to show what can be done with a little work.
Thanks, Iwan. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Great video and a lovely job Kevin. I am sure you will manage to get the power up . That stock is beautiful.
Thanks, Paul. I hope you're right, my friend.
Great video again, glad to see your shoulder is getting better. Take care buddy.
Thanks, Norman. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Another great video. Ty Kevin
Thanks, John. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Great job smoothing out this rifle! Glad you were able to fix that galling and the breech lock up issues. It looked like you were giving very little effort through it all, so that was awesome to see.
Still in awe of how you reassemble a rifle and make it look so easy.
The power numbers are a little disappointing. I was almost certain you’d have this beauty humming after all the new parts you put in. Hopefully it’s just the piston seal you mentioned and you swap it out in the future if the power level eats away at you. It looks like a smooth, sweet shooting rifle in the mean time though. Definitely a success and bell ringing worthy!!!
Thanks very much. Yeah, it's a bitter sweet ending for sure. I'm confident that the gun can produce more power when everything's running properly. I'll get it sorted out.
Thanks as always, my friend.
Perhaps it needs a new breach seal, or the new piston seal needs running in. I would definitely try putting a few more pellets through the rifle. Also try putting a little tissue over the beach to see if any air is escaping.
The breech seal is fine. It passes the tissue test with flying colors. I still think that the less than snug fitting piston seal may be the issue. I've got a tighter fitting seal to try next.
Thanks as always, Steve.
20:49....great video as always. Mine seems to shoot the best from a power and accuracy perspective using H&N FTT.
Keep up the good work, and maybe persevere by putting at least 200 pellets thru it before changing any thing else.
At this point I'd have likely changed the breech seal just to cross it off the list... But admittedly I'm REALLY anal about these things. I figure if the polymer of one seal is worn or dry the other may not be far behind. 🤷🏼♂️ I've had seals test well only for the replacement to sort it out... 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
A breech seal is $5.00 bucks, but an hour of shop time is 37.50 ! 😕
Many times on the Olde Diana's somebody lost the original shim under the seal and you either replace it or pack the seal out with a strand of copper wire. 😉
@@marcmyers1465 I was just working through what I would’ve done. I know that rifle can produce a lot more than 9 ft lb. He has a lot of experience. I’m sure he will try everything.
@@Steve-CrossKevin's been Repairing, Rebuilding, Kitting, and Tuning Airguns Allot longer than most folks understand. He's just Way more prudent than I am... 😉 I get pretty twitchy when a build throws me a curve. Normally I'm extremely analytical, and plan for any conceivable outcome so when things get weird... I get Weirder ! 🥴👍
Great video!
Thanks, Joao.
👏Congratulations on 4000 Subscribers, Kevin !🎉
Thanks Marc!
Hi Kevin
Like all of your videos - I really enjoyed this episode...❤
Thanks so much. It's great to hear that you're enjoying the channel.
Beautiful gun!! I know it's bugging ya it's not hitting the numbers you want but unless you need those couple extra foot pound, enjoy! She's a beauty!! 😎
Thanks, man. You're right, though...It's bothering me. 🤣
I'll try that other piston seal before I consider leaving well enough alone.
Something's up, and I'd like to find out what it is.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
@@razor1962 lol, I'm the same way, this would keep me up at night.
Well its at least cocking and closing as should.
I know you will be dissapointed with the power. And because youre also perfectionist , somehow you will make also that better. Youre a airrifle wizzard. Haha
But seriously. Enjoyed the video as usual.
Thanks very much. Stay tuned. I'm not finished with this rifle just yet 🤔.
weihrauch says its should 245 meters sec (803,6 fps)in 177 with a standard weight pellet but that is the new models ,in the past it was 210 , there are hard and softer seals , the hard are for the 77 and higher
Good to know, Peter. Thanks so much for your valuable input.
hello great video. if you look into the history of this air rifle they were designed to do around 9ft lbs of energy and were classified as junior /ladies rifle. i am no expert this is just what i looked up on the internet. thank you David
Thanks, David. I appreciate your looking into it. Thanks for watching, too.
Its the hw30 designed as a junior rifle , the hw50/99 was designed for the sub 12ft/lb market
Shame the rebuild didn't up the numbers as predicted, loving the green laminate stock
Thanks, Keith. I sure is a looker. Hopefully, we can get it shooting as good as it looks. Thanks as always, my friend.
Good to see you have some of the problems sorted. To get the numbers you want may require a full cylinder hone. If out of round or it "runs out", those are more difficult issues to correct-(I am certain you know this already). Best wishes on this Kevin, but you may have to relegate this rifle to lower performance than the platform is normally capable.
Yes, I worry about an out of round cylinder on this rifle. I'll try the tighter fitting piston seal first and keep my fingers crossed 🤞.
Thanks as always, my friend.
Might be nice to run a USB bore scope up inside there, and mic. the reciever tube ? 🤔
@@marcmyers1465 Agreed. This may be a tougher nut to crack.
@@thelvadam8916Oddly enough I'll actually Stop to bore scope a rifle, but generally lack the patience to film a build ? 🤦🏼♂️ I should probably just put CCTV in the shop, but lacking the delicate interpersonal skills. to play Rugby, I'd likely run afoul of TH-cam the 1st. week. 😬
@@marcmyers1465 I don't create content because a spring piston powerplant is about as advanced as I get, technically speaking. I am not a Luddite, but not far from it. I do appreciate those who have the patience and knowledge to create content.
I’ve had two of these rifles with a constricted cylinder for the last 20mm or 5/8” ish at the transfer port end and both struggled to make power as the piston seal was sized to the tight end of the cylinder so was loose for 80% of its stroke on firing so you could check that bud.
@@marcmyers1465 it was the transfer port end and I come to the conclusion that when they welded around the cylinder for the breech jaws/end plug the heat made it shrink as the end plus must of had a slight bit of play.
I think the end of the cylinder where the holes are pressed are always a little out of round from the stamping but that has no negative effect once you get the seal passed it.
@@FrostiTheRoadmanThere were more than a few of the transitional HW50S/HW99's that suffered from this, and the only sure way is to Sunnen hone the cylinder, but that's a pretty expensive fix. 😣
There are a wealth off posts and discussions on this on the boards but very little if any productive resolutions that are actually helpful. 🤷🏼♂️ Mostly just spit balling, grousing and idle complaints echo'd by the usual Ambulance chasers... 😒
@@marcmyers1465 the ones I’ve had issues with were a 2021 model and 2022 so fairly new production to be honest?
Thanks very much. I sure hope that it's not a situation like yours. If so, I'll probably sell the gun.
Hey Kevin, when I rebuilt mine with the Tinbum tuning kit, it came with 3 delrin washers to pack out the piston, instructions said to install these washers until power was what you wanted, obviously in the UK we have to be careful, from memory, I installed 1 washer and I'm getting 11.5 foot pounds, I can't remember the fps but mine is a .22 anyway.
I'd love to get mine up around 11 fpe. I'm hoping that the tighter fitting piston seal will solve the issue. Thanks as always, Mick.
@@razor1962 just seems a lot of power loss for a seal that was making contact and a sucking noise?
@mickchaganis6607 One of my subscribers pointed out that a loose fitting seal can lead to piston bounce or rebound, which will rob the gun of power. Fingers crossed 🤞...
Folks frequently confuse power washers up inside the piston with the spacers in the rear of the spring... 🤦🏼♂️
Naturally this can cause issues with latch engagement or piston bounce and a lousy shot cycle. 😕
Yourself excluded naturally, but some guys just can't necessarily wrap their head around that. 🤷🏼♂️
@@marcmyers1465 I just followed the instructions from Tinbum and that is what they said to do.
Humidity can slow the velocity. Have you considered temps and humidity?🙏🔑✌️🇮🇱
Never really gave that any thought. However, I don't think that it could account for the numbers we're seeing. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hello!
Your videos are relaxing to watch, i like them
I just got me a 50S and i got the front and back iron side off the rifle same like you do on yours.
Just like the way it looks, will this give anny problems with the screw holes being open?
Ot is it no problem.
Kind regards from the Netherlands!
Well, congratulations on your acquisition of a very fine air rifle indeed! That rifle will provide years of enjoyment for you and the next generation. I typically don't worry about the screw holes. I could see an issue it the rifle had gotten wet and the water sat in those holes for a while. Check out this thread regarding filling Weihrauch screw holes.
www.airgunnation.com/threads/sight-screw-plugs-after-removing-the-iron-sights.1249408/
I've also heard of folks using a black crayon to fill them.
Thanks so much for the kind words, my friend.
That doesn't look like a full power spring its it looks like the weaker target spring. The top hat and rear delrin washer's cut the spring length down. The consistency of power seems its a well set up paper puncher. The German and Italian guns are rated at around 10 joules for legal reasons
I suppose that it's possible that I received the wrong spring. It's supposed to be a full power kit. If I can get the rifle to shoot between 10 & 11 fpe, I'll be happy.
Thanks so much for your input and for your viewership, my friend.
Your tolerances seem different to mine. Getting the breach block and washer in on mine is super easy but fitting the large pivot bolt is an absolute nightmare. Maybe try fitting aome extra washers inside the piston. Atleast it cocks lovely and smooth and its more consistent fps.
Yes, getting everything lined up can be a chore. I find that those bearing washers can interfere with getting the pivot bolt back in.
Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
Sometimes it's helpful to align everything with a 1/4" punch from the backside 1st. and then gently thread the pivot bolt in as it pushes the punch back out ? 🤔
@@marcmyers1465 my barrel is not aligned with the main cylinder. Scope maxed out and still shoots 1" off centre. The main pivot bolt isnt 90° to the main body. Somehing is manufactured wrong.
@@xWILZTAxHave you confirmed the barrel and breech block are true ? 🤔
You're saying the issue is in the lateral plane ? 🤔
@@marcmyers1465 yes the pivot bolt isnt 90°to the main tube. I can pack one side out with a extra washer but then its not smooth to cock. My other 50s is perfect.
A bit disappointing for you Kevin but still a lovely rifle thanks again for the video
Thanks David.
Maybe the button's are too tight, or the mainspring is too weak? Still very nice 🙂👍
Thank you. We'll figure it out...
howdy Kevin!
Hey Nibs!
hi kevin...i bought a hw35e a month ago...the rifle is fantastic it is deadly accurate and looks beautiful with walnut stock but i have a little problem with the trigger adjustment screw...noticed after a few hundred pellets it turns to the left...i i put it back on the first position but it happens again after shooting...please help my friend
Hi Nikola. This is a common problem, and although some will undoubtedly disagree, I use a single drop of serviceable blue Loctite. Remove the screw with the trigger facing upward. Count the number of revolutions that are needed to remove the screw and keep that number handy for reassembly. Be careful not to lose the small spring, which is under the screw. Degrease and dry the screw and add a drop of the Loctite. Replace the screw and screw it in the same amount of turns that you used to remove it. Let the rifle sit for several hours. Overnight is ideal. The screw should stay put from there.
Good luck, my friend.
@@razor1962thank you my friend 😊
Have you tried different pellets in it? It may not like those Normas, 🙂
Haven't tried too many different pellets yet. I will eventually. I'm more concerned with the lack of power. Once that's been rectified, I'll start looking for the right pellets.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
I think the stats for that model is are 700 fps stock . Ty Kevin
Thanks, Peter. Maybe you're right. Retailers here advertise over 800 fps in .177, and I've got a tuned 50S in .22 that delivers 13.5 fpe, so that's why I'm expecting somewhere around 11 fpe. From this full power kitted .177 .
Thanks as always, my friend.
@@razor1962 I think they are using alloy pellets to get 820FPS . I bet with a new spring and the Oversize seal you would gain the 55 FPS back to 755 FPS. Have a feeling it being an old gun of British stats .
@PeterAgostiniJdcap26 You could be right, Peter. I'll be disappointed if that's the case.
@@razor1962Just more work I know .
@@PeterAgostiniJdcap26Meh... 5 or 6 six minutes to take the rifle back down, but cleaning out all the lubes IS a bit of a P.I.T.A. 😒
Hello, Could you help me with a problem? The accuracy of my Crosman spring piston went south for some reason. I have done the usual cleaning, screw tightening, scope check, etc. Nothing helps. I went from tight groups to 3 inch vertical string at 15 yards. I changed the breech seal and put a piece of toilet paper over the breech, and there seems to be no air leak. Could this be the piston seal?
It could very well be the piston seal Bill. Have you got access to a chronograph? That would help with figuring out what's going on. Check for a broken spring. Vertical stringing would most likely be caused by a variation in the rifles velocity. Less likely, but possible is the scope, assuming that you're using one, may have let go.
Perhaps Marc will chime in. His knowledge of airguns is extensive. He may think of something that I haven't considered.
Should have stuck with Vortek kit like you usually do. Im sure you're thinking the same thing but dont want to say it.
Seriously ? 😂 I have the very same ARH kit in my .22 HW50S and it's producing a full 12 FPE. How much experience do "You" personally have with this kit ? Are you speaking from your own actual personal experience or simply Paul Parroting some forum fan boy blather ? 🤨
Kevin, I'll pay for the kit if you like ? 🤷🏼♂️
I don't know Joe...I've had excellent results with both makes. I'm not partial to either. I'm at a loss to explain the less than ideal output numbers, but I haven't given up yet, my friend.
I'm gutted for you 😢
We'll get it sorted out. Stay tuned, my friend.
breech seal?
I suppose that it's possible, Andy. I did a visual inspection, and it looks perfect, but for the cost of a new breech seal, it's worth a try.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Try the tissue paper test. I've had some seals that look fine yet are "blowing off" and I've had new seals that have had issues and I've had to shim them from the rear. @@razor1962
@@andycarruthers1 It can't hurt, Andy. I'll run the test.
Hey, Kevin... If the rifle is actually one of those intermediate production rifles... And only "IF" ?
It may actually produce more power with an original Weihrauch seal in the short term, but that unfortunately might also confirm it IS a stinker. 🤬
You'll figure it out and hopefully document the process for others. 😊
I'm looking for something over 10 fpe, preferably around 11.
I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.
@@razor1962Sounds reasonable. 😉 Even "if" you find that it's one of those crowned actions the right seal should still scavenge enough air to pull it off. 😊
Try the CP HP's and RWS Super Domes. 🤔
Was not made for power over 10 fps ! You will have to dill out T.p to get power up
The original 25mm format can produce more that that with the right kit... but it's best firing characteristics are best around 9.5 to 10 FPE... 🤷🏼♂️
Just because a man "Can" do a thing does not necessarily mean they
"Should"... 😉
I've got a .22 cal 50s that's been tuned. It delivers 13.5 fpe. I expect a .177 to run around 11 fpe. I could be wrong, but it seems like a reasonable expectation to me.
Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
making the transferport bigger is a balance with the springpower and compression speed ,becaus a wide port wil not heat the air up ,that is a big factor in the air volume you get .hot air expands and flows faster@@razor1962
Im in the uk mine was low 10s untill i put a few hundred pellets through now its low 11s with 8.65 grain 750fps
@calchedz Good to know. Thank you very much. I don't shoot that rifle much at all, so it'll probably never get broken in.🤣
Thanks for watching, my friend.