This guy talking about endgame while me here still in act 1 of history, barely doing any (i only did until janxin story, hehe), just having fun exploring and doing random stuff.
Content creator is how this shit works you have to no-life these games to put out good informative videos about the game. No one is making anyone keep up with Mr. Pokke's pace in the game. Now if he was just a guy like Asmongold and played the game on occasion and didn't make videos about gacha games he could take his time.
In star rail bosses only require 30 energy and for farming 6 waves of enemies for mats is only 60 energy relic domains require 40 the energy in Hsr is the same as WW so my point is they should just do it like HSR where the energy cost is lower
I think that being able to burn your energy quickly and move on with your day is actually good thing. For now, we are all still on the honeymoon period, but I don't want to spend an hour on a gacha game every day, especially when there is no auto. And it's not like we run out of stuff to do as soon as we run out of stamina. Also, I have been able to get two half decent teams in one week, so... That's not too bad. My main corcern is whether the rewards will increase in proportion to the higher requirements on later levels. To put it another way... I don't mind only being able to do a boss 4 times a day instead of 4.5 like we do in Genshin (since we only get 180 stamina per day instead of 240) as long as it takes more or less the same number of days to build a new character.
@@darkcastle85 Lets look at their direct competitor Genshin, they can't even give us 30 waveplate discount for the weekly bosses just like Genshin weekly. Man I sometimes wonder if Kuro ran by idiots who can't at least copy the success from their direct competitors or at least match or build a better daily system that beats the competitor. And not rely on players to come with issues like a child begs for school needs to their parents. The dev incompetency is unreal. I hope they wake up because as the game usually goes 3 strikes and you are out. Like did the CBT do ANYTHING.
@@joaomarcoscosta4647 they either need to increase the reward’s drastically when you level or generally increase the rewards for the high energy cost because 10 tuners is not great… that is used instantly if you get 1 useable piece in your run. Same thing with the spare materials. Also I don’t think you personally not wanting to spend time on the game should be applied to the rest of the community. They can decrease the energy costs of things and if you don’t have time then just don’t play. There is no one forcing you to use your energy on time. Also you are acting like decreasing the cost will even make that big of a difference in terms of time consumption like 1-2 extra tacet field run takes more then 2 minute or so out of the day…. You need to realise the game isn’t like genshin or hsr. The max level cap is a whopping 80 and you need 3 whole teams compared to 2. You are gonna need more resources than both of those games so it doesn’t make sense for both of those games to have way lower energy costs
I appreciate you giving us content but you CCs finished fast, I genuinely hope you guys are enjoying the experience. my friends and I have had a blast going at our own pace and even laughing at simple stuff like parkouring over animals. feel free to go at whatever pace you want, always appreciate your stuff
@@christophermauro-barias7451i dont think so. I think he plays the game for content and he is "addicted" to the game. Even if you get paid but you dont like the game, i dont think you will ever grind as much as him like do you really want to put that much time into the game that you dont like?
honestly imo if you are playing WuWa and you don't enjoy the combat why are you even playing in the first place? I don't think anyone who plays this game doesn't like the combat
@@tashiamv it's an open world gacha game of course the grind will be there. you will have to login every day and spend your stamina like [in every gacha game]. how else are they gonna make you come back and encourage you to spend money if not with slow addiction and fomo?
I'm looking forward to Alloy Smelt. That wasn't in CBT2 and apparently it's like War Zone in PGR. For those that don't know, War Zone is a mode where you kill as many waves of enemies as possible until the timer runs out, which in PGR is technically 2 minutes (longer since most characters stop the timer during their ult). I think how good the combat events and rewards from the events are will determine the future and longevity of this game. It's hard to imagine a world where WW overtakes Genshin in terms of lore/world building. The parkour event in a couple days is.. who cares. But hopefully Allow Smelt is exciting and gives a lot of materials to help alleviate the grind. For echoes, I think it's fine to voice concerns but I think we better see how it feels at union 40 and 50, as well as to see how many materials we get from events. I think complaining about the lack or resources or shitty substats is fine, but complaining about farming overworld isn't. The 3 cost echo selector from illusory realm also is good because that means it exists and can be given out in future events. Hopefully it's more than just 2 per patch though. I hope they give like 5 at minimum.
If we compare this game to PGR, War Zone rotation + PPC and Simulated siege are just too good end game contents. It really feels like you need to open the game everyday cause theres always something to do, and with good rewards, I really hope they dont go with the Genshin route with dry end game in WuWa
I think this video is in an awkward state. yes tower of adversity is all that theres left to do but it isnt exactly designed to be beaten with lvl 60 characters on the first patch. a lvl 100 boss SHOULD 1 shot u if ur level 60 and u should deal no damage. Remember that all ur limited items such as echo xp and such will be raised once u get to end game levels just like in any other gacha. this is meerly just a review of end game as a low level account and I think due to that misunderstanding it unintentionally gives off allot of weird vibes
@@HugeConverse You talking about red mist enemies? Those enemies receive massive bonus damage from dodge attacks, counter and tag. This doesn't apply to the rest of the game.
@@bursky09 That’s a mechanic literally being taken advantage of to kill an extremely high level echo so doesn’t change my point of how progression is subjective to context and proof not opinions and ideas. Getting one shot in a game never forced fromsoftware to change how their games function because contextually they know dumbasses like you will still play the games.
@@HugeConversethe only mentally challenged here is you, cause you forgot a extremely important factor, "time". Tower fights are time gated, while fighting overworld enemies have no time gates
@@Zero-zr6xx My argument is the time you spend is individualized due to the functionality of the game proving it’s something to be fixed for the sake of non content creator logic you dolt.
It would be great if they added a way to 'dismantle' echos you don't want to get echo exp & tuning mats, instead of data merge being the only thing you can do with the 4/5 stars you'll get lots of and don't need.
@@immanuelsim8824 I think people being rewarded for putting so much time into getting their echos would make most happy, otherwise... What does it matter that you can grind the whole map & join other people's world for the same purpose if at the end of the day we're still held back by exp & tuning materials we can only get with stamina. It kind of undermines the purpose of "in this game we can farm 'artifacts' in the open world!", like... its just a facade because the substats matter so much and leveling/tuning is locked behind stamina. And at the end of the day, I think it would satisfy more people if they could simply turn the echos they don't want into some exp/tuning materials rather than just sacrifice 5 of them for 1/2 random ones that might not be what you need nor have good stats anyway. Idk, but I think it would incentivise players to grind echos in the open world even more and make it more fun & rewarding. I'm afraid that with so many limitations, it will stop being worth it farming so much in the open world and rather just get the echos from the tacet fields anyway, alongside the materials for some upgrades.
@@TheOturanArtist Honestly, whichever one is fine, but players that spend lots of time grinding echos in the open world should still feel accomplished/rewarded, you know? Cause anyway it's a grind to try to find the echo with the main stat (especially the 3 cost that you want to be 5 star & with the right attribute boost) and then the gamble for secondary stats comes into play... It would be nice if you weren't so capped by stamina. After all, the premise of this game and a thing that made a lot of people excited was "farming artifacts in the open world". I don't think it would make anyone sad if they made it so you could get those exp/tuning materials easier or sacrifice the echos you don't need into some mats, you know? I don't think anyone would complain, if anything, it would make people even more happy to grind the echos and try to get some good artifacts and roll for good stats. And it's not a pvp game, and the grind/luck factor would be there anyway... so I don't think it would be broken. But yeah, I think something needs to change, because at the moment it doesn't matter I can farm echos in the open world, I'm held back by exp/tuning materials. I wasted like so much just trying to get either CR or CD on a 4 star echo with no luck, now I can't even grind more because I used all of my mats... With 40 stamina, I can get enough exp to level up an echo from +10 to +12 and also get enough to tune an echo once. So at this point, the fun of grinding echos in the open world while there's no other content to do kind of lost its purpose for me.
I mean, more or less we still are in the mid game since our SOL phase (world level) is only at 4 out of 8, so that does affect our rewards (like echo exp) from dungeons / Tacet Fields. It's only been 6 days since release.
Yeh people talkin bout "endgame" and I'm like bro the game isn't even in its second week what are we doing here😂 Now I can definitely see some ways the echo system can be improved, in terms of getting the ones you want and xp but, There's not a single gacha game where you're at endgame the first or second week of playing. I think people are lost in the fact that they can farm alot of echos, So they think they should also be able to level every echo they see.
Personally I don't mind this system for echos. In HSR, you have access to leveling materials from normal gameplay, but for most of your relics you have to burn a lot of energy to farm to get good main stats. In WuWa, your access to the echos is free, but you have to burn resources to level them up. Which for me is nice, because I can play for hours, then look through and see if I have any potentially usable pieces. Obviously both have their pros and cons, but I find finding echos with good main stat/set combos is more interesting than relic levelimg materials.
The problem with that is you can't see substats before leveling your echoes up, which is the game changer between a good and a bad piece 99% of the time
@@zaboono Sure, but that's the same in HSR. You can't see the subs until you invest in it. At least to me it's a wash. I can get why people would get annoyed though
@@leaxl08 Yeah, that's fair. There are other ways to get that XP, which for me has supplemented it nicely. But that bonus xp will dry up, and after that it'll probably be rough
@@OldManInternet The leveling is the problem, just like in this video said. The exp for echo is scarce. In HSR, the leveling material is in abundance and don't cost stamina if you are dillegently farming SU. Not so much in Wuwa according to this video.
Bruh its been 5 days and ppl are talking about a bottleneck lol, Genshin took several months to optimally gear ONE CHARACTER and people infinitely complained about how its time gated, be happy you can fucking grind it as much as you want.
Nah, it doesn't take several months to optimally gear one character for Genshin. People just spend several months to gear one character cus they have nothing better to do. It also depends on your DPS, but generally 2-4 weeks will get you 80-90% of the character's maximum potential and anything beyond that is diminishing returns and the want to give your waifu/husbando the best there is. If I remember correctly, during the first Nilou banner, some CN madlad speedran 36 star abyss in 6 days completely F2P starting from scratch.
Also about the substats. I think perfecting them is not a good idea right now. It will cost you too much resources just to perfect a certain echo. Focusing on main stats and echo set effect is much cheaper for the current progression of the game.
People like this guy right here are a great example of a mentally challenged human. I hope you don’t actually believe there is even ten hours of content in this game as of right now unless you are mentally slow enough to think that dialogue is important to your actual life. There’s not even a handful of main missions and they had to force nonsense in your face just to keep you playing.
well you will reach there one time too. Please dont bring that genshin BS to this game, theres nothing wrong with asking for actually content, not talking about quests that most of us that like combat dont give a shi
@@rdr.erased Not just talking about Gacha games. I am just talking in general, CCs need to realise that blitzing a game in a few days or a week by putting 100+ hours in does not mean the game lacks content.
My only bone with what you have said is that you shouldn't pre farm ascension materials. I would largely agree with one exception; your number 1 dps. I think it's important for them to level straight away so that you're able to better handle the overworld bump in levels.
The echoes exp bottleneck is a weird one, because there's even a side quest that shows Kuro has a solution, which is having a simulation challenge to farm those echoes exp tubes. IDK why it is not there, so hopefully this is coming in the future.
This game really need improve in auto target system I stand 1cm near the mob it still hit the one super far away even disable target lock etc Unlike genshin only target the nearest target And need a way to feed those useless echo into echo exp For what merging echo while u can farm echo by urself alrd
i need more content, i even have 1 more sonance casket than it is needed for the thingy in the city :( i mean i still have my pioneer association to max but still!
Cc’s talking about end game while me raising all characters to 40 and ust enjoying the game skipping some puzzle lol just having fun. But I appreciate the info
"3 costs are hard to farm" Me looking at my perfect 5* echoes.... Aero dmg%+Atk Hoochief & Hooscamp + the Crit rate+atk Felil Bellial on my Jiyan "We might be based bro"
the game ain't even been out for a week and clearing the tower of adversity is supposed to be impossible and building that many characters being that hard to max their echoes justakes sense and feels right since you don't need them to clear any content besides the tower since it's called ENDGAME content. So I don't know what's thw problem here
Not using dodge/parry doesn't only cause survival issues, but on some fights (looking at you Thundering Mephits), if you don't parry, you may struggle to do enough damage unless you just overlevel the content of course, but you need to parry to create your dps windows.
Yeah, my biggest gripe so far (UL 31) is the energy cost of everything, which many here have pointed out. I haven't spent much time on farming echoes yet (yes I know, shame on me) outside of overworld mobs, since I'm mostly just.. exploring/questing still. But I also have skill issues and pushing harder stuff is already pretty challenging for me, not sure if good echoes will compensate my skill a little or not..
i mean its barely a week in and theres a 40 lvl diff between him and the stage boss...? we havent event had a real first event either so how're we talkng about being gated by exp?? i get the CBT exp is a thing, but cmon 😶🌫
It's extremely dumb that they make "level 5 echos to +20" a req to get the 100 data bank xp I'm missing from 14 to 15. It's forcing me to level up purples so I can progress.
@@jammed_yam Just level up 3 cost purple echoes that have the DMG% and correct set you want because you will only have access to 2 guarantee 3 cost DMG% on set gold echoes. Leveling purples also isn't the end of the world rn if you get good substats like crit rate because they roll very highly.
i have a skiiiilll issue and a physical hand isssue so its hard to do combos well for me! im hoping to pull easy to play meta units over time and grind them up a bit - obvs some stuff i probs wont succeed at but thats ok
Jiyan is pretty easy! He has a lot of heavy attacks and after using his ult you basically just hold down the attack button (you still have to dodge, but his attack is so fast that he'll hit any parry). Also, if you build a healer/shielder, it is less important to have good mechanics. You can also look into food buffs. I haven't looked at then too much yet myself but they can give nice buffs for completing some of the overworld content like bosses and holograms
@@lucidragon5260 Yeah jiyan is tempting for me but im really excited for upcoming characters. I think if jiyan is still strong on a rerun ill probably go for him :3 the hold down attack in his ult is really good for my hands im gonna get jianxin from the selector banner (80pulls) so i can use her as a shielder. shes really fun!
i mean. while character upgrade materials get more witth a highe sol phase, so do the echo exp and everyhing else, so it doesnt mattter where you use your stamina is always "wasted"
I wish we could sacrifice unused echo for echo exp material because the reward from instances is way too low. I know our level is still cap at phase 3 but still I rather sacrifice unwanted echo for material rather than fusion them for another random echo.
This right here is my biggest gripe I know we can feed an echo if another echo has been leveled up already but why make it to where we can't even get rid of the ones that we dont want for echo xp especially since we burn through our echo tubes so fast
I don't enjoy sweaty combat, I just want to have a chill half hour play and this game is not it. I wanted to check out the story and world building. While concept is nice with all the sound waves etc, story is lame so far. I lost it when the supreme general asked us for tactics who was virtualy born yesterday. Visuals aren't that appealing either. I might just drop the game in a few weeks.
30 to 40 is the best moment for those who dont buy Battlepass to farm money , char xp and weapon xp as they are the only thing that dont gain benefit at 40. Its stamina efficient.
4p eagle claps 4p messenger yea. Messenger 2p is only there for getting speed easier, otherwise 4p eagle is honestly great for any supports that can ult in 3 turn.
In-game Energy Regen's text states: "Increase the amount of Resonance Energy gained when using Basic Attacks, Resonance Skills, Combat Forte, and Resonance Energy." So, it is only for Resonance Energy, which is for Resonance Liberation (ult).
They should reduce waveplates costs across the board if you ask me. Raising 3 chars incl. their echoes is a pain with only 240 / day. Raising 9 chars at some point... oh boy. I really want to try out some other chars other than my 3 mains but investment fear really holds me back. I know you can swap echoes and shit, but still.
@@tetraavalon3664 I get you. But wanting to raise other chars (not min/maxing) is the opposite of speedrunning. That is how I prevent burnout in these games.
@@kopfgeist2717 And then if you build them all faster, you will burn out faster. When I said speedrunning, I wasn't referring to end game speedruns. I meant speedrunning your account progress. You can still use lower invested characters in the overworld, and they also work fine enough if you just swap echos, even if it's not the right set. To complain about this means that you want to build everything right away.
@@tetraavalon3664 nah. you and me are just on a different page on what long term enjoyment means. And that´s okay. I´m playing gacha games for more than 10 years and MMOs for 25 years, so trust me when I say what burns ME out and what doesn´t. Most ppl watching Pokke probably stated gaming with Genshin and think this should be the gold standard of time gating.
@@kopfgeist2717 Been playing those two types of games for the same amount of time. Gacha for probably a bit longer(DMM, if you know you know). I guess if it works for you, it works. I also get my enjoyment from playing multiple characters. I just don't mind waiting for them to be built.
Nobodys forcing u to minmax ur shit. Im getting by with the echoes i got which i never actively farmed either. Cleared experiment zone alrdy of ToA. Will go for hazard zone when i actually farm for my echoes and shit.
Just fought dif 4 birb and that thunder creature for 6 hours straight with my under level units and it drained my sanity. Well what can i say this game requires high level mechanic at least more than a certain game
that's only because you're underleveled fighting mobs intended for later in the game lol, once you're endgame it won't be nearly as difficult to do anything only tower will be the challenging content
Echo xp fodder is atrocious right now, if they don't change this, the game is gonna be insufferable to play long term. I'm also at union 34 and data bank 20 and rn i'm coming up with excuses to keep playing since the combat is so fun, but it's painful to have this struggle to just level up echoes compared to anything else.
On the topic of lacking Echo Exp: You essentially only need to build 5 sets at most in the beginning. 3 for your 3 main DPS, 1 for subdps and 1 healer. You got two DPS's of the same Element? Great, you only build 4 sets. Could actually be a planning issue? There's a reason you can swap echoes between floors.
I don't recall genshin ever having that issue. Even it was scarce you can still feed trash level 0 artifacts into other artifacts. But with WuWa you can't even feed trash echoes as fodder. Only ones that are leveled up with the capsules are feedable which is another massive problem. Another mistake by Kuro did the CBT even do anything.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601 And the worst is that you need to spend a lot of time to get the right set with the right main stats AND then spend stamina to get exp and tunner The echo system for me is worst than genshin (AT least in genshin you are done in 15 min)
I'll definitely agree with this video. I'd just say that after working on traces you first work on getting some decent echoes before spamming all your stamina on tacet fields. Your main DPS will need some good echoes to make farming the tacet fields a bit less painful and go a bit faster. Maybe if you want to get some good echoes from the Moonlit Clouds set. You'll only need one that every character can share in the tower after all.
This game baited me bad. During the echo hunter world quest, we "unlock" the ability to farm echo exp through Yhan. Then the quest ends. I went back to him and it's once again only char + weap exp or credits. Not cool Kuru, I truly hope it's a bug or something.
Basically it was a feature they removed in cbt2, and the quest is an oversight by the devs. They fused the domain together with the tacet fields. I don't think you get any less exp than in cbt2 they just combined them together because it was kind of redundant
@@Zackyan This is correct it's exactly the same. I think once we get higher in world levels it'll be fine. People keep forgetting that literally no one is at higher world levels
Yeah the echo exp drip feed is going to be a huge point of contention once players catch up and realize how real the problem actually is. Pokkes just happens to be the beeg deek vanguard here to let us know what’s up ahead. Kuro should have been made aware of this issue by now and if their track record is anything to go by, they will likely make adjustments. I mean they remove Scars dick zipper after getting asked to by a handful of people pretending it was a problem so.. if that’s a problem worth fixing this certainly is as well.
there is one error regarding the info about " we cannot use the low level echoes as material " which is wrong , I have tested this and you can use it , provided those echoes were enhanced before, they will return the tuners if you have used on those enhanced echoes
I think Wuwa is a great first gacha to play and potentially be the only gacha you play, BUT if you are playing other games like HSR, you realize how much of a chore Wuwa is once you finish with the story. I will say, both HSR and Wuwa have a horrible relic system, but at least in HSR I can do that on auto and be done with it in 5 minutes. Wuwa obviously is a manual only game and incentives you to run around the map and kill everything for more gear. Knowing what a miserable experience it is to farm gear in these games, I could really not play another game with a miserable gear farming system. I don't know which game first started this gear system, but it's time to stop. Make something better. Nobody enjoys farming gear for over a month to make their character strong.
It's extremely dumb that they make "level 5 echos to +20" a req to get the 100 data bank xp I'm missing from 14 to 15. It's forcing me to level up purples so I can progress
If you fight red enemies on the map (as long as they are level 60 or above) they will drop a gold echo which will give you databank experience. Also look at the guidebook missions and try to go through those. They give Databank exp for finishing a level of it. Depths of the Illusive realm you can buy 2 (really good) gold echos that you can level up. Don't worry about being the right level to complete the difficulty to unlock them because there are trial characters you can use
That was intentional. If you could use +0 echoes to upgrade other echoes, you would have nothing stoping you from getting perfect echoes in one week and finishing the game
Take a break, you are faster than people making Yinlin r34
This guy talking about endgame while me here still in act 1 of history, barely doing any (i only did until janxin story, hehe), just having fun exploring and doing random stuff.
@@Zergling. would it though? we still have to farm the tuning items, the exp seems like unnessisary 2nd time gated progression
Content creator is how this shit works you have to no-life these games to put out good informative videos about the game. No one is making anyone keep up with Mr. Pokke's pace in the game. Now if he was just a guy like Asmongold and played the game on occasion and didn't make videos about gacha games he could take his time.
He's a CC making guides bro. If he plays like a casual the channel would have no vids lmao.
If you watch his stream ud know he also has people play on his account when he isnt on lol
To me, all energy cost in wuwa is too high, 40/60 to this amount of content it's simply too much cost
Lmao thought the exact same thing
In star rail bosses only require 30 energy and for farming 6 waves of enemies for mats is only 60 energy relic domains require 40 the energy in Hsr is the same as WW so my point is they should just do it like HSR where the energy cost is lower
I think that being able to burn your energy quickly and move on with your day is actually good thing. For now, we are all still on the honeymoon period, but I don't want to spend an hour on a gacha game every day, especially when there is no auto.
And it's not like we run out of stuff to do as soon as we run out of stamina.
Also, I have been able to get two half decent teams in one week, so... That's not too bad.
My main corcern is whether the rewards will increase in proportion to the higher requirements on later levels.
To put it another way... I don't mind only being able to do a boss 4 times a day instead of 4.5 like we do in Genshin (since we only get 180 stamina per day instead of 240) as long as it takes more or less the same number of days to build a new character.
@@darkcastle85 Lets look at their direct competitor Genshin, they can't even give us 30 waveplate discount for the weekly bosses just like Genshin weekly. Man I sometimes wonder if Kuro ran by idiots who can't at least copy the success from their direct competitors or at least match or build a better daily system that beats the competitor. And not rely on players to come with issues like a child begs for school needs to their parents. The dev incompetency is unreal. I hope they wake up because as the game usually goes 3 strikes and you are out. Like did the CBT do ANYTHING.
@@joaomarcoscosta4647 they either need to increase the reward’s drastically when you level or generally increase the rewards for the high energy cost because 10 tuners is not great… that is used instantly if you get 1 useable piece in your run. Same thing with the spare materials.
Also I don’t think you personally not wanting to spend time on the game should be applied to the rest of the community. They can decrease the energy costs of things and if you don’t have time then just don’t play. There is no one forcing you to use your energy on time. Also you are acting like decreasing the cost will even make that big of a difference in terms of time consumption like 1-2 extra tacet field run takes more then 2 minute or so out of the day….
You need to realise the game isn’t like genshin or hsr. The max level cap is a whopping 80 and you need 3 whole teams compared to 2. You are gonna need more resources than both of those games so it doesn’t make sense for both of those games to have way lower energy costs
I appreciate you giving us content but you CCs finished fast, I genuinely hope you guys are enjoying the experience. my friends and I have had a blast going at our own pace and even laughing at simple stuff like parkouring over animals. feel free to go at whatever pace you want, always appreciate your stuff
he has no choice he gets paid
man has to do what he must, just saying I also hope he is enjoying the experience
@@christophermauro-barias7451i dont think so. I think he plays the game for content and he is "addicted" to the game. Even if you get paid but you dont like the game, i dont think you will ever grind as much as him like do you really want to put that much time into the game that you dont like?
@@Bronan2920 he does it genshin too. and other games he's a cc. he is paid to binge play games at this point
If you get a good enough angle and get to them fast enough, you can vault over birds, it's great
The editor did not cut that part out 😂😂😂
honestly imo if you are playing WuWa and you don't enjoy the combat why are you even playing in the first place? I don't think anyone who plays this game doesn't like the combat
Its FOMO for a better genshin game
Gacha gamers are playing for the free stuff
@@zulzineloso7531what this guy said.
The energy requirement for resources (especially boss mats) is too damn high
60 cost feelsbad
costs more per claim but the overall price for ascension is comparable to similar games
Its about normal tbh in most games esp if your coming from genshin 160 resin rates. About 4 boss runs a day.
you buggin pls dont spread this i dont want the daily time on 180 energy spend to increase. I love the game but hope the daily grind doesnt increase
@@tashiamv it's an open world gacha game of course the grind will be there. you will have to login every day and spend your stamina like [in every gacha game]. how else are they gonna make you come back and encourage you to spend money if not with slow addiction and fomo?
Bruh, this dude is only 12 days ahead of f2p with max refreshes and complaining that his echos isn’t “ end game “ 😂
I'm looking forward to Alloy Smelt. That wasn't in CBT2 and apparently it's like War Zone in PGR. For those that don't know, War Zone is a mode where you kill as many waves of enemies as possible until the timer runs out, which in PGR is technically 2 minutes (longer since most characters stop the timer during their ult).
I think how good the combat events and rewards from the events are will determine the future and longevity of this game. It's hard to imagine a world where WW overtakes Genshin in terms of lore/world building. The parkour event in a couple days is.. who cares. But hopefully Allow Smelt is exciting and gives a lot of materials to help alleviate the grind.
For echoes, I think it's fine to voice concerns but I think we better see how it feels at union 40 and 50, as well as to see how many materials we get from events. I think complaining about the lack or resources or shitty substats is fine, but complaining about farming overworld isn't. The 3 cost echo selector from illusory realm also is good because that means it exists and can be given out in future events. Hopefully it's more than just 2 per patch though. I hope they give like 5 at minimum.
I hope they stop timers during ults in WW aswell. I really miss it from PGR.
If we compare this game to PGR, War Zone rotation + PPC and Simulated siege are just too good end game contents. It really feels like you need to open the game everyday cause theres always something to do, and with good rewards, I really hope they dont go with the Genshin route with dry end game in WuWa
I think this video is in an awkward state. yes tower of adversity is all that theres left to do but it isnt exactly designed to be beaten with lvl 60 characters on the first patch. a lvl 100 boss SHOULD 1 shot u if ur level 60 and u should deal no damage. Remember that all ur limited items such as echo xp and such will be raised once u get to end game levels just like in any other gacha. this is meerly just a review of end game as a low level account and I think due to that misunderstanding it unintentionally gives off allot of weird vibes
So if I can kill a level hundred and twenty boss at level forty because of tag in skills why would I believe your mentally challenged comment?
@@HugeConverse You talking about red mist enemies? Those enemies receive massive bonus damage from dodge attacks, counter and tag. This doesn't apply to the rest of the game.
@@bursky09 That’s a mechanic literally being taken advantage of to kill an extremely high level echo so doesn’t change my point of how progression is subjective to context and proof not opinions and ideas. Getting one shot in a game never forced fromsoftware to change how their games function because contextually they know dumbasses like you will still play the games.
@@HugeConversethe only mentally challenged here is you, cause you forgot a extremely important factor, "time".
Tower fights are time gated, while fighting overworld enemies have no time gates
@@Zero-zr6xx My argument is the time you spend is individualized due to the functionality of the game proving it’s something to be fixed for the sake of non content creator logic you dolt.
It would be great if they added a way to 'dismantle' echos you don't want to get echo exp & tuning mats, instead of data merge being the only thing you can do with the 4/5 stars you'll get lots of and don't need.
It would be kinda broken tho, since you can almost farm echoes infinitely
@@immanuelsim8824 I think people being rewarded for putting so much time into getting their echos would make most happy, otherwise... What does it matter that you can grind the whole map & join other people's world for the same purpose if at the end of the day we're still held back by exp & tuning materials we can only get with stamina. It kind of undermines the purpose of "in this game we can farm 'artifacts' in the open world!", like... its just a facade because the substats matter so much and leveling/tuning is locked behind stamina.
And at the end of the day, I think it would satisfy more people if they could simply turn the echos they don't want into some exp/tuning materials rather than just sacrifice 5 of them for 1/2 random ones that might not be what you need nor have good stats anyway. Idk, but I think it would incentivise players to grind echos in the open world even more and make it more fun & rewarding. I'm afraid that with so many limitations, it will stop being worth it farming so much in the open world and rather just get the echos from the tacet fields anyway, alongside the materials for some upgrades.
I think lower the cost for doing Tacet field is the better option
@@TheOturanArtist Honestly, whichever one is fine, but players that spend lots of time grinding echos in the open world should still feel accomplished/rewarded, you know? Cause anyway it's a grind to try to find the echo with the main stat (especially the 3 cost that you want to be 5 star & with the right attribute boost) and then the gamble for secondary stats comes into play... It would be nice if you weren't so capped by stamina. After all, the premise of this game and a thing that made a lot of people excited was "farming artifacts in the open world". I don't think it would make anyone sad if they made it so you could get those exp/tuning materials easier or sacrifice the echos you don't need into some mats, you know? I don't think anyone would complain, if anything, it would make people even more happy to grind the echos and try to get some good artifacts and roll for good stats. And it's not a pvp game, and the grind/luck factor would be there anyway... so I don't think it would be broken.
But yeah, I think something needs to change, because at the moment it doesn't matter I can farm echos in the open world, I'm held back by exp/tuning materials. I wasted like so much just trying to get either CR or CD on a 4 star echo with no luck, now I can't even grind more because I used all of my mats... With 40 stamina, I can get enough exp to level up an echo from +10 to +12 and also get enough to tune an echo once. So at this point, the fun of grinding echos in the open world while there's no other content to do kind of lost its purpose for me.
@@everlosthMintpicker mentality is crazy💀
Just had massive fun with friends suffering against lvl 120 enemies it was funny
I mean, more or less we still are in the mid game since our SOL phase (world level) is only at 4 out of 8, so that does affect our rewards (like echo exp) from dungeons / Tacet Fields. It's only been 6 days since release.
Yeh people talkin bout "endgame" and I'm like bro the game isn't even in its second week what are we doing here😂
Now I can definitely see some ways the echo system can be improved, in terms of getting the ones you want and xp but, There's not a single gacha game where you're at endgame the first or second week of playing.
I think people are lost in the fact that they can farm alot of echos,
So they think they should also be able to level every echo they see.
Personally I don't mind this system for echos. In HSR, you have access to leveling materials from normal gameplay, but for most of your relics you have to burn a lot of energy to farm to get good main stats.
In WuWa, your access to the echos is free, but you have to burn resources to level them up. Which for me is nice, because I can play for hours, then look through and see if I have any potentially usable pieces.
Obviously both have their pros and cons, but I find finding echos with good main stat/set combos is more interesting than relic levelimg materials.
The problem with that is you can't see substats before leveling your echoes up, which is the game changer between a good and a bad piece 99% of the time
I think they need to tune the Echoes EXP drops though, spending 60 energy to get +2 or +3 is really bad. 60 energy is so much!
@@zaboono Sure, but that's the same in HSR. You can't see the subs until you invest in it. At least to me it's a wash. I can get why people would get annoyed though
@@leaxl08 Yeah, that's fair. There are other ways to get that XP, which for me has supplemented it nicely. But that bonus xp will dry up, and after that it'll probably be rough
@@OldManInternet The leveling is the problem, just like in this video said. The exp for echo is scarce. In HSR, the leveling material is in abundance and don't cost stamina if you are dillegently farming SU. Not so much in Wuwa according to this video.
Its a marathon not a sprint so yeah. Dont see this a problem
ppl expecting to get fully geared in gatcha game in less than a month without energy refreshes 💀
I have been spending all my currency on echo xp.
Bruh its been 5 days and ppl are talking about a bottleneck lol, Genshin took several months to optimally gear ONE CHARACTER and people infinitely complained about how its time gated, be happy you can fucking grind it as much as you want.
LOL,
IKR - weirdly
yeah its only been like 2 days since I reached endgame and I already have really good echoes for one main dps.
Nah, it doesn't take several months to optimally gear one character for Genshin. People just spend several months to gear one character cus they have nothing better to do.
It also depends on your DPS, but generally 2-4 weeks will get you 80-90% of the character's maximum potential and anything beyond that is diminishing returns and the want to give your waifu/husbando the best there is.
If I remember correctly, during the first Nilou banner, some CN madlad speedran 36 star abyss in 6 days completely F2P starting from scratch.
Also about the substats. I think perfecting them is not a good idea right now. It will cost you too much resources just to perfect a certain echo. Focusing on main stats and echo set effect is much cheaper for the current progression of the game.
Perfecting them now by going for 1-2 crit stats in first 2 slots is a lot more efficient though. The rates are actually good
Ahh now I want to play scarlet nexus again
ya i noticed the ost immediately
How tf did bro get that much Union Exp
Im at 34, its just how it is. Giga grinders will be giga grinders. Games fun.
All these CCs are going to complain there was not enough content but have already put 80+ hours in. God damn slow down
People like this guy right here are a great example of a mentally challenged human. I hope you don’t actually believe there is even ten hours of content in this game as of right now unless you are mentally slow enough to think that dialogue is important to your actual life. There’s not even a handful of main missions and they had to force nonsense in your face just to keep you playing.
well you will reach there one time too. Please dont bring that genshin BS to this game, theres nothing wrong with asking for actually content, not talking about quests that most of us that like combat dont give a shi
@@rdr.erased never played Genshin and I never will 👌. It’s the same in every game not just Genshin
@@JAJR44 No its not? Pgr has so much more end game than this since launch
@@rdr.erased Not just talking about Gacha games. I am just talking in general, CCs need to realise that blitzing a game in a few days or a week by putting 100+ hours in does not mean the game lacks content.
My only bone with what you have said is that you shouldn't pre farm ascension materials. I would largely agree with one exception; your number 1 dps. I think it's important for them to level straight away so that you're able to better handle the overworld bump in levels.
The echoes exp bottleneck is a weird one, because there's even a side quest that shows Kuro has a solution, which is having a simulation challenge to farm those echoes exp tubes. IDK why it is not there, so hopefully this is coming in the future.
This game really need improve in auto target system
I stand 1cm near the mob it still hit the one super far away even disable target lock etc
Unlike genshin only target the nearest target
And need a way to feed those useless echo into echo exp
For what merging echo while u can farm echo by urself alrd
My man doesnt catch any breaks damn
he's gotta collect pay checks
i need more content, i even have 1 more sonance casket than it is needed for the thingy in the city :(
i mean i still have my pioneer association to max but still!
Cc’s talking about end game while me raising all characters to 40 and ust enjoying the game skipping some puzzle lol just having fun. But I appreciate the info
nah i think you should wait for echo mats, they seem to be upgrading the amount you get from echo farm later
Good content but I had you on .75 speed and you still talk too damn fast.
dud I had to watch this in .75 speed you talk so fast lol but lots of good info
What I heard: ASDGZYWBZBHSAJ
ppl burn the whole game in 5 days kekw
They should just allow us to use our echos to level up echos.
HES TALKING AT 2X SPEED AGAIN ORDER IS RESTORED!!!! I apologize for ever suggesting you slow down, forgive me lord pokke
hi OTsenMid 8:30 in chat mhm
yo scarlet nexus hub music
"3 costs are hard to farm"
Me looking at my perfect 5* echoes.... Aero dmg%+Atk Hoochief & Hooscamp + the Crit rate+atk Felil Bellial on my Jiyan "We might be based bro"
the game ain't even been out for a week and clearing the tower of adversity is supposed to be impossible and building that many characters being that hard to max their echoes justakes sense and feels right since you don't need them to clear any content besides the tower since it's called ENDGAME content. So I don't know what's thw problem here
Not using dodge/parry doesn't only cause survival issues, but on some fights (looking at you Thundering Mephits), if you don't parry, you may struggle to do enough damage unless you just overlevel the content of course, but you need to parry to create your dps windows.
Yeah, my biggest gripe so far (UL 31) is the energy cost of everything, which many here have pointed out. I haven't spent much time on farming echoes yet (yes I know, shame on me) outside of overworld mobs, since I'm mostly just.. exploring/questing still. But I also have skill issues and pushing harder stuff is already pretty challenging for me, not sure if good echoes will compensate my skill a little or not..
My main issue is stamina. Everything costs WAY TOO MUCH. They need to lower everything by at least 20%
i mean its barely a week in and theres a 40 lvl diff between him and the stage boss...? we havent event had a real first event either so how're we talkng about being gated by exp?? i get the CBT exp is a thing, but cmon 😶🌫
you can't feed random echos as fodder but if you level up an echo you can feed it into other ones if you did level up some 4 star relics
It's extremely dumb that they make "level 5 echos to +20" a req to get the 100 data bank xp I'm missing from 14 to 15. It's forcing me to level up purples so I can progress.
@@jammed_yam
Just level up 3 cost purple echoes that have the DMG% and correct set you want because you will only have access to 2 guarantee 3 cost DMG% on set gold echoes.
Leveling purples also isn't the end of the world rn if you get good substats like crit rate because they roll very highly.
so I'm not behind 😂 casually at lvl34, going 35 for at least 1week more 😆
i have a skiiiilll issue and a physical hand isssue so its hard to do combos well for me! im hoping to pull easy to play meta units over time and grind them up a bit - obvs some stuff i probs wont succeed at but thats ok
Jiyan is pretty easy! He has a lot of heavy attacks and after using his ult you basically just hold down the attack button (you still have to dodge, but his attack is so fast that he'll hit any parry). Also, if you build a healer/shielder, it is less important to have good mechanics.
You can also look into food buffs. I haven't looked at then too much yet myself but they can give nice buffs for completing some of the overworld content like bosses and holograms
@@lucidragon5260 Yeah jiyan is tempting for me but im really excited for upcoming characters. I think if jiyan is still strong on a rerun ill probably go for him :3 the hold down attack in his ult is really good for my hands
im gonna get jianxin from the selector banner (80pulls) so i can use her as a shielder. shes really fun!
@@wolfsign9168 Jianxin is a great character! She also has a long hold attack so hopefully she is comfortable to play as well. Good luck on your pulls!
Jesus Christ he’s already maxed out his account. The games barely been out for a week. Them executive account managers must’ve been working hard 😂😂
Nah Pokke is a sweaty gamer he NEEDS to do the grind himself so that he can yap at 2x speed and avoid bathing
We're still in mid game chill
i mean. while character upgrade materials get more witth a highe sol phase, so do the echo exp and everyhing else, so it doesnt mattter where you use your stamina is always "wasted"
He is yapping on 2x 😮😅
25:00 I laughed here because I finally figure out where is the outro skill located. 😂Thanks Pokke!
Scarlet nexus theme is a great background music for videos of this game
27:04 this is a gacha game in some mechanics but HOLE-EEE, the combat is something else.
Dude said 5 days around 10 hours a day and then follows by putting 100 hours in thumbnail… okay lmao insane mathsss
They have to restrict something it’s the same for every gacha game nothing new by now where have ppl been this is the end game lol
We need a system to convert useless echo to sealed tube for echo exp in WuWa, it will make things so easier
This is peak editing.
He's not even sleeping now GG
Everything rn is way too pricey, I don't even have enough money
Scarlet nexus ost!! my secret hideout one of my favs
hope kuro implement the same event systems from pgr to solve this issue
i find tuners to be a lot more bottleneck than the echo exp.
I wish we could sacrifice unused echo for echo exp material because the reward from instances is way too low.
I know our level is still cap at phase 3 but still I rather sacrifice unwanted echo for material rather than fusion them for another random echo.
This right here is my biggest gripe I know we can feed an echo if another echo has been leveled up already but why make it to where we can't even get rid of the ones that we dont want for echo xp especially since we burn through our echo tubes so fast
you're correct i realized im struggling to find more xp for echos endgame since it's tied to having waveplates also.
The editor really LOVES the abobas zoom lmao
Fck....I wasted some of the echoes exp material
As someone buy 500+ revives, I may need more money.
Very informative video, with nice presentation ! ( adding this bracket because the actual comment is too normal, I am not a bot )
Wait what did he say at the end of his video?! Lol
I like the farming echos gives you a purpose for free
I don't enjoy sweaty combat, I just want to have a chill half hour play and this game is not it. I wanted to check out the story and world building. While concept is nice with all the sound waves etc, story is lame so far. I lost it when the supreme general asked us for tactics who was virtualy born yesterday. Visuals aren't that appealing either. I might just drop the game in a few weeks.
are the 5 set is important? or right mine set first
This type of speed of word from you finally perfect. Not to fast not to slow 🎉
u can farm ores to trade in for trace materials so u dont waste energy on farming for them
ye we need week 1 to have everything maxed
30 to 40 is the best moment for those who dont buy Battlepass to farm money , char xp and weapon xp as they are the only thing that dont gain benefit at 40. Its stamina efficient.
Simulated Realm has the EXP
Imagine if they released zhongli level of shielder and bennett level support. Nuclear auto battle game.
I hope they never release a Zhongli level shielder. Cause that will defeat the whole point of the combat system.
Respectfully this will not happen
@@cynthiahembree3957 It would be a nuclear drama xD
Bro said Eagle set is more universal than messenger set
4p eagle claps 4p messenger yea. Messenger 2p is only there for getting speed easier, otherwise 4p eagle is honestly great for any supports that can ult in 3 turn.
Prob a dumb question, but does the energy regen echo also affect concerto? Or just ult
just ult
In-game Energy Regen's text states: "Increase the amount of Resonance Energy gained when using Basic Attacks, Resonance Skills, Combat Forte, and Resonance Energy."
So, it is only for Resonance Energy, which is for Resonance Liberation (ult).
They should reduce waveplates costs across the board if you ask me. Raising 3 chars incl. their echoes is a pain with only 240 / day. Raising 9 chars at some point... oh boy. I really want to try out some other chars other than my 3 mains but investment fear really holds me back. I know you can swap echoes and shit, but still.
To be fair, the game is in its second week. If your goal is to speedrun the game, burn out, and quit, then sure.
@@tetraavalon3664 I get you. But wanting to raise other chars (not min/maxing) is the opposite of speedrunning. That is how I prevent burnout in these games.
@@kopfgeist2717 And then if you build them all faster, you will burn out faster. When I said speedrunning, I wasn't referring to end game speedruns. I meant speedrunning your account progress. You can still use lower invested characters in the overworld, and they also work fine enough if you just swap echos, even if it's not the right set. To complain about this means that you want to build everything right away.
@@tetraavalon3664 nah. you and me are just on a different page on what long term enjoyment means. And that´s okay. I´m playing gacha games for more than 10 years and MMOs for 25 years, so trust me when I say what burns ME out and what doesn´t. Most ppl watching Pokke probably stated gaming with Genshin and think this should be the gold standard of time gating.
@@kopfgeist2717 Been playing those two types of games for the same amount of time. Gacha for probably a bit longer(DMM, if you know you know). I guess if it works for you, it works. I also get my enjoyment from playing multiple characters. I just don't mind waiting for them to be built.
Yeah the echo exp is so painful
can we do a parry/ dodge guide?
Did the devs listen?
the echo grind is crazy imo. takes too much of my personal time. feelsbad
Take it slow. Its long term. Short term is irrelevant.
I really think people are trying to grind it too hard just take your time. I just got to Union Level 35 and I'm just starting looking into echoes
Nobodys forcing u to minmax ur shit. Im getting by with the echoes i got which i never actively farmed either. Cleared experiment zone alrdy of ToA. Will go for hazard zone when i actually farm for my echoes and shit.
Just fought dif 4 birb and that thunder creature for 6 hours straight with my under level units and it drained my sanity. Well what can i say this game requires high level mechanic at least more than a certain game
that's only because you're underleveled fighting mobs intended for later in the game lol, once you're endgame it won't be nearly as difficult to do anything only tower will be the challenging content
@@moober_say that again after u fight holo mephis D4
@@kreide6819 my whole point is that we aren't supposed to be fighting it now man what are you tryna say
Echo xp fodder is atrocious right now, if they don't change this, the game is gonna be insufferable to play long term. I'm also at union 34 and data bank 20 and rn i'm coming up with excuses to keep playing since the combat is so fun, but it's painful to have this struggle to just level up echoes compared to anything else.
Wait how are you already data bank level 20? I thought it will unlock at U40
@@Bronan2920They probably mean that they have the xp to get to 20 but obviously they can't unlock it. I'm in the same spot
@@jiyovfx oh ok
@@Bronan292040 is incredibly hard to get rn so people that are 32~ already have maxed data bank
Touch some grass and you will feel better.
On the topic of lacking Echo Exp: You essentially only need to build 5 sets at most in the beginning. 3 for your 3 main DPS, 1 for subdps and 1 healer. You got two DPS's of the same Element? Great, you only build 4 sets. Could actually be a planning issue? There's a reason you can swap echoes between floors.
skill issue
The problem comes from same element teams. Danjin hrover pair. Calcharo yinlin pair.
That's not an excuse nor is it a fun intended gameplay mechanic.
Great info ❤
echo exp is pain
They need to fix these echo grind issues. The moment someone feels a similar frustration in WuWa to Genshin they're probably gonna quit.
skill issue
I don't recall genshin ever having that issue. Even it was scarce you can still feed trash level 0 artifacts into other artifacts. But with WuWa you can't even feed trash echoes as fodder. Only ones that are leveled up with the capsules are feedable which is another massive problem. Another mistake by Kuro did the CBT even do anything.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601
And the worst is that you need to spend a lot of time to get the right set with the right main stats AND then spend stamina to get exp and tunner
The echo system for me is worst than genshin (AT least in genshin you are done in 15 min)
I'll definitely agree with this video. I'd just say that after working on traces you first work on getting some decent echoes before spamming all your stamina on tacet fields. Your main DPS will need some good echoes to make farming the tacet fields a bit less painful and go a bit faster. Maybe if you want to get some good echoes from the Moonlit Clouds set. You'll only need one that every character can share in the tower after all.
This game baited me bad. During the echo hunter world quest, we "unlock" the ability to farm echo exp through Yhan. Then the quest ends. I went back to him and it's once again only char + weap exp or credits. Not cool Kuru, I truly hope it's a bug or something.
Even worse is doing the echo fields for echo xp is terrible.
If only we could feed echos Into experience
Basically it was a feature they removed in cbt2, and the quest is an oversight by the devs.
They fused the domain together with the tacet fields. I don't think you get any less exp than in cbt2 they just combined them together because it was kind of redundant
@@OutboundFlight87you can now, just make sure theyre unequiped and not locked
@@Ophanim1000 No, you can only feed echoes that already leveled, and then you only get 80% of the xp fed into it.
@@Zackyan This is correct it's exactly the same. I think once we get higher in world levels it'll be fine. People keep forgetting that literally no one is at higher world levels
Yeah the echo exp drip feed is going to be a huge point of contention once players catch up and realize how real the problem actually is. Pokkes just happens to be the beeg deek vanguard here to let us know what’s up ahead.
Kuro should have been made aware of this issue by now and if their track record is anything to go by, they will likely make adjustments. I mean they remove Scars dick zipper after getting asked to by a handful of people pretending it was a problem so.. if that’s a problem worth fixing this certainly is as well.
there is one error regarding the info about " we cannot use the low level echoes as material " which is wrong , I have tested this and you can use it , provided those echoes were enhanced before, they will return the tuners if you have used on those enhanced echoes
yeah but that is not what he meant
I think Wuwa is a great first gacha to play and potentially be the only gacha you play, BUT if you are playing other games like HSR, you realize how much of a chore Wuwa is once you finish with the story. I will say, both HSR and Wuwa have a horrible relic system, but at least in HSR I can do that on auto and be done with it in 5 minutes. Wuwa obviously is a manual only game and incentives you to run around the map and kill everything for more gear. Knowing what a miserable experience it is to farm gear in these games, I could really not play another game with a miserable gear farming system. I don't know which game first started this gear system, but it's time to stop. Make something better. Nobody enjoys farming gear for over a month to make their character strong.
It's extremely dumb that they make "level 5 echos to +20" a req to get the 100 data bank xp I'm missing from 14 to 15. It's forcing me to level up purples so I can progress
If you fight red enemies on the map (as long as they are level 60 or above) they will drop a gold echo which will give you databank experience.
Also look at the guidebook missions and try to go through those. They give Databank exp for finishing a level of it.
Depths of the Illusive realm you can buy 2 (really good) gold echos that you can level up. Don't worry about being the right level to complete the difficulty to unlock them because there are trial characters you can use
Just wait till data bank level 15 that's what I did. I waited for my first gold echo
Challange: Try to exist without talking about minmaxing in a single player game (KEKW) for more then 30 seconds. Level Impossible
laughable. endgame? has the game ended already?
it really was a pretty massive oversight that we can’t feed +0 echoes to other echoes
That was intentional. If you could use +0 echoes to upgrade other echoes, you would have nothing stoping you from getting perfect echoes in one week and finishing the game
the echo system is worse than genshins relic system thats sad..
Nah thats just u
@soulk_11 nah that's majority of ppl
@@christophermauro-barias7451just you lil bro
@@christophermauro-barias7451 No it's quite literally just you
@@cynthiahembree3957 no its quite majority