Ehh I'm starting to get annoyed at this ngl I'm sure it's because TH-cam pays better in December which is why they're this proactive in making "content"
@@kuramauchiha153 yeah but it looks like here in this space this is a hot take, cus everyone is siding with Vars when both are wrong. I'm not happy when Saintontas talks about PGR cus he never played it, so he only knows surface level stuff. The same applies when Vars talk about WuWa to give constructive criticism on the team building without knowing anything beyond surface level.
The worst part though is that he didn't even bash wuwa, he made the point that the game lacks focus regarding teambuilding, and that it could become a problem in the long term, that's pretty much it, and it's not wrong.
@@nekonochesire6023Hot take: people with bad takes should get disagreed on. And CC' who misinform/omit facts when making a point should be held accountable, because they influence people.
Hot take: If a CC wants to criticize and address problems of a gacha game they should know deeper than surface level. I'm not happy when Saintontas talks about PGR cus he never played it, so he only knows surface level stuff. The same applies when Vars talk about WuWa to give constructive criticism on the team building without knowing anything beyond surface level.
It's so fucking wild, because they claim Vars has only surface knowledge of the game, but the points he made kinda show that he is at least decent at extrapolating at worst, and actually plays the game at best. The evidence they point to is using Deepen instead of Amplification, even though they literally refer to the same thing and that a bit of gameplay he showed to illustrate the difference in damage when there is elemental resistance is suboptimal gameplay. These points don't really affect the argument, but they are being heralded as critical to Vars' credibility.
It's funny right, because a sweaty Genshin shill watching his Genshin criticism videos and community posts dunking on Genshin (for valid reasons too) will probably react the same way like how Mr Saintontas reacted to this video lol
I remember in his herta video he suggested that she should do more spins if she triggers talent multiple times... which is exactly what she already does
Saintontas is not a Kuro fan but a wuwa fan. And a rly dedicated wuwa fan. He will call almost everyone who criticizes wuwa a hoyoshill. I mean that’s what happened in my case. Nah he’s not a wuwa fan he’s just a hoyo hater.
seriously i throw shade on pgr for adopting automata's premise without the twist that makes automata interesting but non-wuwa pgr fans are actually never present in the drama and ragebaiting, and for that, legit respect
@@joshbrosh6626 So basically they're having the Hi3 to Genshin community effect. WuWa community becoming the Genshin community of Kuro. I can see it. The exact same toxic positivity and "us vs. them" mentality that I've seen in Genshin community, I'm seeing it on WuWa community.
My problem with Saintontas, he is borderline between Kurobots/Wuwabots or just Hoyohaters in general. As casual player myself who play and love both games, it irritates me when everytime someone criticize or giving bad opinion about Wuwa, they're being called as Hoyoshill everytime. I mean as much as I love both games and company, everything has their own flaws and everyone has preferences. I even do criticize HSR and has stop playing for months, but it doesn't always means that I hate the game. But the way Saintontas react is like everyone's just hating on Wuwa. As I love PGR/Wuwa and HSR/HI3/Genshin, you might or could called me as both Kurobots and Hoyoshill. So it does puts me in weird situation, whenever he said all the Wuwa slander coming from the Hoyo community, I feel I'm being called out for something I didn't do and feel generelized. HSR and Genshin community even once hate and slander each other, so why does he feels like he need to say it from Hoyo community, the hate could be coming from PGR fans too, no? In fact, they way he reacted only makes him enemy to some people that never his enemy in the first place. I think Saintontas need to chill the fvck up, he don't need to defend every fvcking different opinion from others. Not everyone is as sweaty as him, some people might play for casual even some CC. If they have different understanding and preferences. So be it, gaming is passion, not technical. What he do, only brings more harm to the game and community, and makes him no different than the actual toxic content creator, haters, or even the so-called Hoyoshill itself.
The point vars made in the video was something I personally had with the game for a while now. It isn't even an indictment of the game if you actually got more than a single digit IQ but I guess this guy is lacking in that department.
Seriously, people can't take even the slightest criticism😭the game was never bashed nor did he ever claim another game was better, it's just pointing something out that could become a bigger problem.
Vars is posing wuwa's positives as "problems". Team building should be more restricted, making players to pull characters they don't like, just to be more like genshin?? That's a rtarded take if I've ever heard one - if you like the problems in genshin just play it, instead of trying to bring those problems to wuwa. That whole video is like the "stop having fun" meme
The more I see these fights the more I think "hoyobot/kurobot" is the literal truth. Every post filled with random collections of numbers and letters saying "keep coping" or something similarly pointless and antagonizing. TH-cam just desperately wants those engagement numbers.
zzz uses anomaly to get around the whole "no elemental combo" deal, so it is a bit different from wuwa in this regard, it also does have relevant team synergy skills.
I think what Vars said is absolutely right, one thing to keep in mind is ,he is not saying it's an issue now, it will be an issue in future as more characters are released, and also using other games like genshin,HSR etc as an "EXAMPLE" isn't something to get triggered.
edit: I should have said it'd be the death of "Wuwa content creation sphere", that is more correct of what I was trying to say. I honestly think content creators are gonna be the death of Wuwa. The people who pushed out 20 mins in-depth guides or interesting/funny get minimal views. All the serious CC I subbed to has like 5k subs at best. Iwin2lose does bare minimum wuwa guides like it's an obligation. TH-cam only pushes medium/big creators who only do drama all days. And CC who make serious stuff get shafted, so only drama CC are left.
If toxic CCs can be a death of a game then genshin would've died long ago, considering the month long drama we had involving almost all genshin CCs. Pretty sure it would just bring more exposure into the game, just not a good one
@@Panda-yw4us it is not right to think that CCs even matter,most of the playerbase doesn't even have any clue of what is going on in TH-cam anyways. But genshin has big chunk of CCs who never bothered with other game drama and just mind their business with game they are focusing. They were and still popular, getting healthy views without any dramas.
@@craigtrish2011Hmm, I type these comments on mobile and don't proof read much. I should have said it'd be the death of "Wuwa content creation sphere". My mistake. My brain is considered quite good though. The game itself won't die because of the drama farming. I'm still playing the game. But I said what I said from my own experience as I have mostly stopped searching for Wuwa content on youtube. The first search result is almost always drama/react. The rest are mostly the usual names with the CC pvp, or gacha pvp drama. If one is not a drama consumer, these content does nothing but discourage normal people looking for wuwa gameplay, fun, or actual info. Those people will just become disinterested.
I remember Saintontas was the man who prepetuated the rumors about hoyo trying to monopolize EN VA's back then when wuwa just released. He assumed that there was some sabotaging done by hoyo when wuwa first patch VA performance got criticised. When he got called out by the VA's themselves and other CC's, he backed out as if he didn't meant anything what he said.
Hey a wuwa enjoyer here, here’s the thing saintonats is using the wuwa hoyo controversy for subs and views, we don’t claim him to be wuwa representative, he’s manipulating hate to be on the algorithm. This is the truth. I used to play genshin, it’s story and lore is million times better than wuwa.every game has its pros and cons I just enjoy em.If anyone of you wants to watch kuro creator try KROW he’s good Edit: i stopped playing genshin at fontaine… arlechino banner. My account is so irretrievable as its new (2024 started) . Yes genshin abyss combat character upgrade scaling is terrible on contrary everything i mentioned is better in wuwa. But i still stand to fact that wuwa main story is good but lore wise genshin is so deep and superior
Speak for yourself hoyoshill I played genshin for 4years+ and currently still playing it but wuwa is better I never skip a story in wuwa and in genshin the last companion story I played was ayaka
As a WuWa player, I really don't like that Saintontas is the face of the community. He constantly has fits like these that leave a bad name for the players, I wish he would just talk about things normally like a regular person instead of getting weird all the time
WuWa is a good game, but i dont play it because if i want to play a game about dodging and parrying I'll just olay a souls game. And do you know whats good about souls games? They are not gacha gemes. And lets be honest, WuWa isn't even a hard game. Of course it is harder than genshin, which isn't saying much, but it is not hard at all.
Vars is one of the most chills guys and he delivers objective facts whereas saintontas is just a guy who blew up for nothing and is now going rogue to continue being in the limelight
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Genshills, Hoyoshills, Kurobot, Wuwabot, etc.... it doesn't matter... both are dumb. this is just a video game. it's not a big deal, really. they are all jpegs. why does that matter? seriously....
CCs reacting to Vars need to turn up his audio. We crank the volume to hear him whispering and then get blasted with 100 decibels reactions and youtube ads. Neutrally speaking, I don't want tinnitus.
My biggest problem with wuwa and it's community is that they don't have their own identity People also compared genshin to BOTW (genshin has definitely got some inspiration to be honest) but i'v never heard someone praise one of them by trashing the other But I've also never heard someone praise wuwa for the sake of praising wuwa, it's always : Wuwa is better than genshin, this aspect of wuwa is better than every single gatacha game, star rail is trash because wuwa is more generous it's annoying that the so called fans have just glued wuwa's identity to genshin and other similar gacha games This way it just feels like they are salty ex genshin players forcing themselves to like wuwa to spite genshin ans that's really unfortunate because i really like a lot of the aspects that wuwa has (Gives me the same wibe as when Fortnite CCs were quiting to valorant (and warzone) because they were disatefied with it's direction and thought it would fall off , only for Fortnite to get even more hype and set new peak records and it valorant that massively fell off)
this puts it well, but I can see why. if everyone else compares you to genshim, it's natural to want to defend your game against those comparisons. Everyone sees the two games as in competetition.
True, being better than genshin your whole identity, makes it so genshin always doing something wrong and wuwa always right. But that ain't the truth lol.
Its a sad situation. No one can enjoy the game they like while also not being labeled as hoyoshill/kurobot. There's always this constant pointless war between them. Gacha community is already hated enough as it is, now there is hate among the gacha community itself. 💀
because that's just how Wuwa is designed, they are at best doing what genshin players have been wanting to be added into the game, and not much more. on top of that they copy majority of genshin base mechanic and simply built on top of it, ie I see people say how generous Wuwa is with giving free "stuff" and no RNG on weapon banner etc, but remember, paid currency on Wuwa is the exact copy of Genshin and hell man it is expensive to get a limited 5*, why the heck do they even need to copy the 160 Astrites and 80 pity thing? They didn't even reuse PGR's summon system, they decide to use Genshin's even here 😂. Are that not making most players recognize the glaring similarity on the first minutes of play? Things is designing a synergistic game system that players also easily accept take resources and it's very clear Wuthering Waves 1.0 is stretching the budget of Kurogames to their limit and they had to copy majority of Genshin's system just to get to any sort of starting point. Yes it make transition from Genshin easier but it just get them stuck with the bad rep for the whole lifetime of the game i bet. If they want to break out of it they have to simply make a vastly different content from Genshin and they have not managed to do that yet.
That’s your perspective and the funny thing is, from my perspective it’s the Genshin players who are so glued and fixated on WuWa and who are the most sensitive about any success WuWa has. Like, it’s really evident when Genshin fans hack other gacha’s website telling their players to go off themselves and play Genshin
Wuwa's team building isn't that deep due to being limited to just 3 characters. There's nothing really wrong with it cause the systems in place work with that setup. Adding a 4th team member would probably mess up what Kuro put in place system wise. Say Genshin has the same systems in place as WuWa, it may probably still work but it probably won't feel that optimal. However have WuWa's systems for HSR and it's impossible cause of the turn base nature of the game. Vars makes decent points but they aren't taking into account what the developers put in the games system wise to compliment the team building.
I point to you ZZZ which also has 3 character team, where character have passives that are activated depending on the other teammates, which forces you to actually think about the teams you make and where you can't just put the best of each role like wuwa. And the game has a very similar playstyle to wuwa with a heavy focus on dodging and parrying, without having the safety from a healer because there is none (so far but with how the game is made there most likely won't be or it'll be a very limited heal)
he literally said it's a fine game design, but knowing that this is a gacha game, it's is indeed counter intuitive, if every character slot literally competing with everybody, when people already found their playstyle and favorite character, then the only thing you can do to sell a new one is going to be powercreep, as there is nothing you can sell beside that. compare that to genshin, every team require different character and every character provide different benefit for the team, even char that literally work the same like yelan and xinq provide different benefit (more buff or damage reduction+stagger res) and depending on the teammate, these mechanic provide better benefit way more than the other. not to mention that making a new unique thing require a lot of thoughts hence why there is more theory chrafter in genshin here just a fun fact that TC found on team building, bloom core can be triggered by electro swirl damage, which mean that you can replace raiden and kuki with sucrose as hyperbloom trigger whil getting her huge EM and res shred buff on hyperbloom team, this character interaction is definitly not intentional by the developer is what wuwa lack, and they can still achieve without something as complex as elemental reaction
@@zard2341 thats because wuwa theroy crafting is based on how to play the characters instead cause every character kit is more nuanced. Where in genshin most of the fight is won om the menu before You enter it
@@iransilva5857 Ok but Jinhsi is an exception, not the rule. Also no wtf are you on ? Genshin fights aren't decided before just by picking a team, that's HSR that does that, Genshin is still an action game that needs a semblance of skill to be played, at least to not get killed against the hard hitting mobs.
i love how the Genshin Community is always blasted for your inability to be critical of the game. While the Wuwa community is now even scarier than the genshin community if you say anything about this game. Such hypocrisy.
@@owl_uwu1297 it's not really my opinion tho. u can see it through the video, the most minor criticism, is followed with how badly it's going to be received. I seen it with Captain Cabinetz and many others too. Not to mention my own experience.
@@anheld8726 Don't get me wrong I appreciate your own opinion and experience, but claiming anything is fact so simply is not my favorite. There is always nuance, and labeling things as one way or the other just adds fuel to the fire. I'd argue that both communities simply have outrageously vocal minorities. I don't think it is, nor should be framed as a competition for which one is worse. It's just two communities clashing, nothing new. It's simply exaggerated and exacerbated by the fact that everyone talks about it, probably because there isn't as much to talk about in the gacha space generally speaking.
Take this as a grain good stuff as this is only based on my opinion and experience There's a couple why wuwa team building is kinda problematic 1) The game isn't out long enough to have a flexible team to play with as wuwa pretty much only have each limited dps on each element 2) This is based on my experience, i've seen 2 side of my friends which 1 side was a genshin player and the other side is not, while my friend who plays genshin already comfy with genshin team building which he said himself is easier cuz theres way more character in the game, and elemental reaction made the game literally 0 difficulty, he was a whale and already stop spending as much and even clearing abyss with goofy teams, while my other friend who didn't played genshin before he just suck it up cuz he's not accustomed to how genshin team building and gameplay, so basicly its a "mental issue" in some way 3) People don't realize that not every characters works with eachother but that doesn't mean they doesn't work at all (well some are not meant to be in a team together but some are usable), and team building doesn't have to be perfect, there's a lot of team comp outside the yt space or any comps from creator that work just fine if u take ur time to read and test them out (do this only if u have free time)
I hope Saint going after every CC that talking about wuwa and made them quit wuwa The less CC talking about that game the better Saint is pushing everyone away from wuwa include CC and player
@@dalhaval283I think he made hoyo content which is why he hates it, it's crazy when people hate games so much they can't understand why people like it though
_Wuwa doing something slightly better among other gacha games_ Kurobot: "OMG it's our GOD. Best game of history no debate. Wuwa story >>>>>> Any stories out there because it has skip button"
Like we acting like the 20 free characters wasn't cause it has a bad start(ig oring that said standard banner units already kinda bad and there's barely been any new characters) it's crazy that someone is able to tunnel vision so hard just cause they disliked hoyo
@@thisusernameisamazing4184it defenetly was becouse the devs messed up badly and it was damage control What turned me off from the game tho was the playerbase acting like it wasnt and that the devs gave them away becouse of goodness
@thisusernameisamazing4184 Okay so here's the deal, you say damage control I can understand that, but what about the other two banners? The beginner banner? That was free, the second beginner banner? It's not just a free character that makes the game good, it's the generosity. Not to mention each patch gives more than enough pulls for a 5 star with better rate up in the banners and obviously 100% in weapon banners. It's understandable that some people wanna undermine Kuro for what they are doing but what they are doing is actually good. Can't you guys see that?
@he918 Saintontasfrom his arguments and the way he talks. It could be he is extremely disigenous or literally struggles to understand english language.
As much as I disagree with VARS on a ALOT of his previous takes, I kinda agree with him on this one. See, Pokke did give a good point that the game does emphasizes on player skill and that it *kinda* alleviates into horizontal investment since you basically can use anyone on anything, however, it can also be interpreted as "basically nobody matters, just their numbers". Zajeff (a Genshin Theorycrafter), also pointed that out back when Wuwa was released. Like, imagine how they would sell a new character that does a certain role that is already taken by another LIMITED banner unit. There is only one answer: POWERCREEP. And no, if you are coping that it will never happen, sorry but the truth is it's already happening, way back when Rover got their Havoc version. That said, Wuwa is treading a very fragile ground by using a basic typing system. Pray that they don't break the balance of the game too early.
Agree Vars didnt even say the gameplay is bad or heck he doesnt even critique it, he just saying wuwa can add more without ruinign the core experience, rn the element feels like an afterthought and team building feels very restrictive, you can disagree of course, but people like saintontas and the community are doing this mental gymnastic to feel superior about wuwa, I personally think this is why we are getting less and less CC covering the game with how gatekeeping/brigading the community is toward someone for voicing their opinion.
Well of course they must powercreep rover because it's free characters. imo, wuwa selling point is not just big number with new character that powercreep the old one, its also inculde characters playstyle, design, etc. i just hope that they didnt powercreep too much with their new characters and came up with new idea to selling their new characters, because i prefer wuwa to be one focused characters unlike genshin who is more focused on team based playstyle. but doesnt mean that i dislike genshin. i play them both
fym happen back then even on 1.0? for the last 6 month, there has been no significant powercrept for dps. just "this guy do something different than this guy". jinhsi, xly, camellya and jiyan all did around the same dps, its just playstyle that is different. you are right about "nobody matters, only numbers" IF this was genshin because genshin doesnt have the same combat like wuwa. wuwa could just make a new character with better moveset animation and it will still sell. look at carlotta leaks, we dont know numbers but the moveset are so good that it makes people want to pull, and this is gonna continue happen for the next years.
@@Gheniel_i don't watch him anymore but are you saying this because you actually think what he says is wrong or because you don't like his personality?? thats really important.. if his personality is not likable that wouldn't change he is in the right (IF he is) and viceversa. I don't know what is his take so i can't say if he is wrong or right but i just wanted to say this.
i mean every CC gacha need to keep intetesting otherwise everybody is just sitting around waiting for new update for every gacha they make content with.
@@sdsdsaasdsadasdasd I see "cope hard" from a man who glazes Wuwa literally under every video. You are the most important example of this garbage community
As a person who's played almost all famous gacha games, just enjoy the game you like, and don't hate the others. Hating doesn't make your fav game better, it worsen your own community.
At this rate, Kuro might as well add Saint as a playable character in Wuwa who is gonna scream "GENSHIN KI L L A" when casting his ultimate. Edit: Resonance liberation= Pope Tontas The Saint Has Spoken Energy requirement= 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
are we going to say this and forget every single hoyo community? i mean on GI you can't even say something bad or good about hoyo themselves or the game itself because you get hate either way.
@@yes12356I did not deny that the Hoyo community was also bad but the WuWa community was slowly going in that direction too despite being so chill at the beginning
basically vars made a hot take video saying some wuthering waves mechanics are "half-baked", and he pointed out how the elements literally dont do anything except to avoid dmg resistance, and the team building aspect serves no purpose when the character kits oriented for solo play. then comes in saintontas who shits on every frame of the video for his gameplay footage, editing, and every words vars uttered, almost had a meltdown from it to boot.
Tldr; enjoy what you enjoy. Idk about y'all but I'm having a hard time choosing which character to pull with my limited pulls in wuwa. Though, I'm not as pressuresed to pull for characters as much as in genshin and hsr. In hsr, I didn't know how life changing it was to have adventurine in my Acheron team. Same as genshin with zhongli.
I feel like people just don't understand Vars video, he's not shitting all over Wuwa, he's just pointing out an aspect of the game that he feels could be worked on. There is absolutely no reason to crash out over that video
Vars is the one that created the dogwater use 5 piece healing on sub dps nonsense in wuwa. And it was posted on pry with credit towards him. I can see why the jack in the box guy is mad at this guy. He should stick to genshin as that’s how he got big and what I watch him for but man his wuwa takes are so bad.
wuwa has a problem in gacha system i faced some days ago , i did not get any 4* character in 10 pulls for second time . mr pokke please help me. what shoud i do in this case.
Gonna be honest WuWa was my first gacha game I adored the FEEL of combat and mechanics however TEAM BUILDING and info within the game is AWFUL. It took till 1.3 to add descriptions in game for each character however even with that the descriptors without deep understanding and terms used make no sense without googling it. WHICH DEFEATS THE INFO BEING IN GAME. I have played HSR, ZZZ and Girls Frontline 2 after and ALL THE OTHERS are very clear on wtf everyone IS role wise. Which means I can start to grasp the VERY BASICS for team building as I go. It's embarrassing in 2024 and Vars is absolutely correct imo.
About that... That's only a problem if you don't read everything honestly... The game add every single details in game without needing guides. You can even find every resources in game menus by just click "Where to find it"
?? That’s why there’s a tutorial for every character, you see it at the very bottom right corner, just click the gray button and they will open a tutorial
Sometimes you need to complain so that that the problem is addressed. People think glazing is going to solve issues to this day. If there's something wrong, complain. Don't be a kurobot/hoyoshill whatever. Just call out your game's problems if you want it to improve.
Love how all these hoyo creators are going against one guy who says the truth about wuwa and other games which the hoyo creators themselves can't admit.
Pokke=hoyo creator 😂 Bro want so bad to made narration that their game getting attacked by hoyo creator. But in reality zero hoyo creator mentioning wuwa in their video 🤣🤣
I mean....... They're different games? Shit aint that deep, bro said team building have problem in Wuwa but he also said you can pick any character you want to and make it work. What? Where is the problem lmao. So by having no problem is the problem in itself? Bro is cooking
That video was spitting facts can't beleive it's getting hate. First the gacha cast now hating on a video that was spitting, santotas is never beating the kuro shill alligations
Tbh it's always better to have a nuanced take of your own and watch the actual community response to it, in this case it's not to run it by Saint or Pokke, watch Vars video and watch that video's comments. There you'll find most people respectfully disagree with proper reason and discussion, and not used for drama bait like every other cc trying to do right now.
vars being the one to neutrally deconstruct the illusion kurobots are selling that wuwa is some magical combat game and has character nuances that are leagues above competitors. everyone should know wuwa has leftovers from a scrapped elemental-reaction system similar to genshin's. hopefully they can work toward team mechanics more to add more interesting greater-scope feedback systems. i agree when vars says wuwa focused too much on how the individual characters play instead of the overall team archetypes
This is the most blatant drama instigation I've seen in the gacha space in recent times. I'm all for it, lots of Vars vids are filled with misinfo. What I'm not all for is pretending that you're neutral and not instigating drama.
a 4 years game like Genshin still living rent free in so many people is kinda insane, even we going to 2025, people still need new gacha to be called "Genshin Killer", why not "Wuwa Killer" i though they are the new Gacha King and the no 1 game in the world right now? AND why kurobot now acting way worse than Hoyoshill, bro Genshin fans in TGA Twitter are silent, but my god Kurobot just like begging everyone to play their game or even go to other games that not gacha on same catagory and say something bad to them, like why...
@@MiracleGamesGG overthrew genshin in what way? wuwa is a great game, better than genshin even. But it's popularity does not match their gameplay. i would say the game that's dominating the gacha sphere is probably hsr.
@@MiracleGamesGG overthrew in what? They are not coming in close in any metric possible. Genshin has 65 milion players monthly. Revenue is not even close, popularity is not even close, google trends are not even close, downloads per game are not even close. Overthrew in what? Maybe in hating online, thats absolutely true. Kuro glazers are everywhere now.
@@lumaw152 wouldn't even say hsr. I do think 3.0 would do better bit penacony last patches were ugh. Not to mention the powercreep getting out of hand (aventurine and acheron first rerun flopped in CN peaked at 22) I think gacha games in general are on a decline tbh. Esp in CN.
Personally i activelt try to Avoid Vars content. His videos always touch topics on surface level without deeper understanding of any of them. For example his take about combat - technically he is right. As long as unit parries and do enough damage it's good to go. But completely is ognorant how the same comabt system makes wuwa flexible. How often we were seeing characters jumping between roles, working perfectly in 2 if not all three, that sometimes solo characters are viable etc. And those surface understanding don't stop on wuwa, it is the same level in genshin, honkai or league videos.
@@randomNumber248 yeah he mentioned it. His videos are well put together and scripted in a long format so when people keep pausing every 20 seconds no wonder they will miss out on his points. I wont talk about Saint since he hardly even listened to the video and went on his own. But regarding Pokke like half of the video was vars making a point> Pokke pausing to make Saint joke > Pokke giving a bit of his piece regarding whats missing in the take> unpause > 2 seconds later Vars already adressing the missing point. While Pokke at least watched the video he could see his points while Saint was just about burning the man alive.
He's not really ignorant to those, he brings up how flexible the game's combat is and how it is not really tied down to 'optimal' teams. He directly mentions soloing with characters while including footage of Danjin soloing a boss, he distinguishes between hypercarry and quickswap play styles. He also acknowledges the variety of universal mechanics in WuWa that enable most (if not all ) characters and team comps to be viable. Again, even if he doesn't play the game, he knows enough to make the claims he is making.
Delete it, trust me you will be happier. I play League and genshin but wuwa Community is the worste have ever met. They are a creepy cult and the game is not that good anyway
If you like combat, you will stay longer. That's the only thing i will say since the other are objective for you. Don't listen this cc and this chat tho. Well most importantly any cc and chat. They are all braindead.
been playing gacha games for many years and many games and have never seen such a disgusting fanbase as the wuwa one. and i even liked the game, i spent money for yinlin, jinhsi, changli and their signatures, but the community just made me quit the game. for example i commented on insta on the reveal of xiangli yao that i personally dont like his design but i am open to see how he will look and play ingame (this were literally my words i didnt say he looks like shit or something) and got over a hundred hate comments, multiple hate dms with 2 including death threats and 3 saying i should k*ll myself. and this is just the tip of the iceberg. i think one fun part of these games is the communication in the community but this community consists to 90% of glazing the f out of the same things over and over or brigading people that dont glaze the same things and dare to critize their game
with all due respect, the HoYoverse games community is way worse. I have gotten people almost leaking my IP address just because i liked a certain character. I mean, how more low can we go from that? flaming on one community and then leaving the other one out when it has the same issues is just not okay.
This is why I really don't like WuWa, even though I play the game myself and am already at union level 80 now, but I really hate the community which is too much noisy in every social media, I even blocked that tontas guy...smh
From my understanding u hate the community, but the community is not a part of the game itself. Or at least the development of the game itself can do without the toxicity, so I’m not sure how it lines up
@@samhi2906 whether you like it or not community is a part of the game. It's part of the experience. that's why so many ppl are turn off by the likes of MHA.
@@lumaw152 yeah i agree, this is pretty much what i feel, when you want to see the update or news about this game, there will always be people who are always arguing with other community... this will only worsen the public's view of the wuwa
@@lumaw152 I quite frankly disagree. I can enjoy a game without interacting with the community, even though the enjoyment itself would likely draw me to a community that shares the same sentiment. But those r mutual exclusive events. As I have stated, the development of the game(or at least the current version) is likely not driven by the toxic community, therefore I treat them differently. If u regard the community as a necessity to experience a game, which is received by mostly subjective opinions, eventually u would hate every game simply because of the bad eggs. I am more interested to know how ppl would define a game, which was the reason why I made the previous comment
@@samhi2906 you can ignore the community but that doesn't mean it isn't a part of the game. just like you can ignore the microtransactions, non-existance end game but that doesn't mean they aren't real. the problems don't go away just because you choose to ignore them. if the community behave badly, that will leave a negative reaction on a normal player.
From all the content that I've watched on vars I can say this with 💯 : This guy is the definition of misinformation and he has done this not just in wuwa but even on genshin. Do yourself a favor and don't try to follow his content. I'm begging you 😂
@@sadcatto3 I keep seeing people claim that Vars spreads misinfo and when I ask for examples they point to certain statements taken out of context. The one that annoyed me the most are people claiming that Vars called Yangyang a healer, when what he really said was Yangyan has no specific universal buffs like healers or dedicated damage buffs like most sub-DPSs, which made her prone to be easily kicked out of the meta. It really feels off that people claim someone is spreading misinfo, then go on to spread misinfo about that person.
@@kport6219 yeah it's stupid when they're are the one's spreading misinfo. I would rather believe Vars take than random yt commenters online. He did a lot of this kind of video before this that covers other games too (heck he has three yt accounts)so it is safe to say he is well seasoned in this type of videos. But people blindly condemn him just because it's not 'praising wuwa'. Even if this video is not about wuwa or genshin, his points still stands. What he said is logical. I like vars since there are not many CCs that cover this kind of topic with others that come to mind is RedFlaim.
13:59 Is very normal for wuwa has mainstream build vertical investment because its still early games. its still 1.x version, so im sure not many people can collect all character. its still the phase when they only 1,2, or 3 main character that well built. is Genshin do the same? Yes, and its even worse. Im played genshin from 1.0 and that time mainstream build is vertical investment when 1 full build main dps and 2 support elemental to break shield or element apply, and 1 healer. that time even its fine that you only leveled 1 character. its normal for people cleared abyss with 1 dps lv >80 and other just lv
As much as I like Vars, dude's looking to fight wuwa fans for sure. bro refuses to to use wuwa footage as much as possible while talking about the game
i hate my chat
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thank you for hating us❤
Rank 1 hoyoshill in history clashing with the rank 1 hoyoshill of today
Strongest Hoyoshill in history, Vs strongest Hoyoshill of today.
@@justadude189 Imma steal yo shit
@noimageavailable2934not if i steal you first
@@Corteslatinodude people out here thinking they're yuta 💀
@@justadude189 Reverse steal, hollow aura.
As a dude who stays neutral with both playing wuwa and genshin, content creators are funny with their drama
Same I just started playing both recently and seeing people get super heated for no reason is wild
"recently"@@PenguinWithInternetAccess
Ehh I'm starting to get annoyed at this ngl I'm sure it's because TH-cam pays better in December which is why they're this proactive in making "content"
Ye i dont know anymore but its free content😂
Well they're entertainers, what a noble purpose they serve
a wise person once said "it ain't that deep"
idk this person but I agree
and hating on vars too. Vars is consider the genshin baby girl for a reason
Hot take: If a CC wants to criticize and address problems of a gacha game they should know deeper than surface level.
@@Gheniel_i don’t think that’s a hot take
@@kuramauchiha153 yeah but it looks like here in this space this is a hot take, cus everyone is siding with Vars when both are wrong.
I'm not happy when Saintontas talks about PGR cus he never played it, so he only knows surface level stuff. The same applies when Vars talk about WuWa to give constructive criticism on the team building without knowing anything beyond surface level.
@@Gheniel_this😢😢😢
I'm sadge seeing ppl talking about pgr without giving it a shot at all
As A PGR player, what is happening is bullshit, cant people play a game peacfully..critizise peacfully..you dont have to crash out, over some PIXELS.
The worst part though is that he didn't even bash wuwa, he made the point that the game lacks focus regarding teambuilding, and that it could become a problem in the long term, that's pretty much it, and it's not wrong.
@@nekonochesire6023 Vars wrongs lol , u have to watch saint full stream .
seems like average (reasonable) pgr gamer take, why is it that as soon as the game is open-world the fanbase rapidly turns to shit?
@@nekonochesire6023Hot take: people with bad takes should get disagreed on. And CC' who misinform/omit facts when making a point should be held accountable, because they influence people.
Hot take: If a CC wants to criticize and address problems of a gacha game they should know deeper than surface level.
I'm not happy when Saintontas talks about PGR cus he never played it, so he only knows surface level stuff. The same applies when Vars talk about WuWa to give constructive criticism on the team building without knowing anything beyond surface level.
If any of you are ever homeless, you can stay rent free in Saintontas' mind.
I'd rather not tbh I'd prefer the cold outside to Saintontas constant toxicity and verbal harassment lol
even the homeless dont wanna live rent free in his mind because its full of wuwa slop
@Indian_gae_boii better than hoyoslop mrpokke
@@GungftghDinmjnnhn-n4f yet here you are, in his comment section
Rent free absolutely rent free
@@GungftghDinmjnnhn-n4fno it’s not lmao. Pokke doesn’t base his entire channel off of hating a company and hating people who like that company
So no one gonna talk about how vars always make critical videos on all the games he play include genshin, honki Starbucks and zzz
It's so fucking wild, because they claim Vars has only surface knowledge of the game, but the points he made kinda show that he is at least decent at extrapolating at worst, and actually plays the game at best. The evidence they point to is using Deepen instead of Amplification, even though they literally refer to the same thing and that a bit of gameplay he showed to illustrate the difference in damage when there is elemental resistance is suboptimal gameplay. These points don't really affect the argument, but they are being heralded as critical to Vars' credibility.
As Vars' editor, that dude does not play ZZZ even though I've tried convincing him 💀
It's funny right, because a sweaty Genshin shill watching his Genshin criticism videos and community posts dunking on Genshin (for valid reasons too) will probably react the same way like how Mr Saintontas reacted to this video lol
I remember in his herta video he suggested that she should do more spins if she triggers talent multiple times... which is exactly what she already does
@@nabilhusainimohdkamalulabr3088 no actually. he does get hate for it but nowhere near this much.
Saintontas is not a Kuro fan but a wuwa fan. And a rly dedicated wuwa fan. He will call almost everyone who criticizes wuwa a hoyoshill. I mean that’s what happened in my case. Nah he’s not a wuwa fan he’s just a hoyo hater.
So basically an average Twitter convert into yt
I feel sorry for the real kuro fans
The ones that played pgr before wuwa
They got a huge stain on their name becouse of people like saintantos
seriously i throw shade on pgr for adopting automata's premise without the twist that makes automata interesting but non-wuwa pgr fans are actually never present in the drama and ragebaiting, and for that, legit respect
@@joshbrosh6626 yeah just anyone who’s playing wuwa rn.
@@joshbrosh6626 So basically they're having the Hi3 to Genshin community effect.
WuWa community becoming the Genshin community of Kuro.
I can see it. The exact same toxic positivity and "us vs. them" mentality that I've seen in Genshin community, I'm seeing it on WuWa community.
My problem with Saintontas, he is borderline between Kurobots/Wuwabots or just Hoyohaters in general. As casual player myself who play and love both games, it irritates me when everytime someone criticize or giving bad opinion about Wuwa, they're being called as Hoyoshill everytime.
I mean as much as I love both games and company, everything has their own flaws and everyone has preferences. I even do criticize HSR and has stop playing for months, but it doesn't always means that I hate the game. But the way Saintontas react is like everyone's just hating on Wuwa.
As I love PGR/Wuwa and HSR/HI3/Genshin, you might or could called me as both Kurobots and Hoyoshill. So it does puts me in weird situation, whenever he said all the Wuwa slander coming from the Hoyo community, I feel I'm being called out for something I didn't do and feel generelized.
HSR and Genshin community even once hate and slander each other, so why does he feels like he need to say it from Hoyo community, the hate could be coming from PGR fans too, no? In fact, they way he reacted only makes him enemy to some people that never his enemy in the first place.
I think Saintontas need to chill the fvck up, he don't need to defend every fvcking different opinion from others. Not everyone is as sweaty as him, some people might play for casual even some CC. If they have different understanding and preferences. So be it, gaming is passion, not technical.
What he do, only brings more harm to the game and community, and makes him no different than the actual toxic content creator, haters, or even the so-called Hoyoshill itself.
The point vars made in the video was something I personally had with the game for a while now. It isn't even an indictment of the game if you actually got more than a single digit IQ but I guess this guy is lacking in that department.
Seriously, people can't take even the slightest criticism😭the game was never bashed nor did he ever claim another game was better, it's just pointing something out that could become a bigger problem.
@@enigmadungeon Exactly, the fact that other guy apparently made a 5 hours stream about it is why I can't never take people like him seriously.
Vars is posing wuwa's positives as "problems". Team building should be more restricted, making players to pull characters they don't like, just to be more like genshin??
That's a rtarded take if I've ever heard one - if you like the problems in genshin just play it, instead of trying to bring those problems to wuwa. That whole video is like the "stop having fun" meme
The more I see these fights the more I think "hoyobot/kurobot" is the literal truth.
Every post filled with random collections of numbers and letters saying "keep coping" or something similarly pointless and antagonizing.
TH-cam just desperately wants those engagement numbers.
Rexconnor1919: "Found the Hoyodog...or something"
They are all Chinese bot account lmao
zzz uses anomaly to get around the whole "no elemental combo" deal, so it is a bit different from wuwa in this regard, it also does have relevant team synergy skills.
Bro had the opportunity to make a good informative video breakdown why Vars is right or wrong and he instead made a brain rot video
We are like dogs that bark each other at the side of the gates.
I think what Vars said is absolutely right, one thing to keep in mind is ,he is not saying it's an issue now, it will be an issue in future as more characters are released, and also using other games like genshin,HSR etc as an "EXAMPLE" isn't something to get triggered.
edit: I should have said it'd be the death of "Wuwa content creation sphere", that is more correct of what I was trying to say.
I honestly think content creators are gonna be the death of Wuwa. The people who pushed out 20 mins in-depth guides or interesting/funny get minimal views. All the serious CC I subbed to has like 5k subs at best. Iwin2lose does bare minimum wuwa guides like it's an obligation. TH-cam only pushes medium/big creators who only do drama all days. And CC who make serious stuff get shafted, so only drama CC are left.
If toxic CCs can be a death of a game then genshin would've died long ago, considering the month long drama we had involving almost all genshin CCs. Pretty sure it would just bring more exposure into the game, just not a good one
@@Panda-yw4us it is not right to think that CCs even matter,most of the playerbase doesn't even have any clue of what is going on in TH-cam anyways.
But genshin has big chunk of CCs who never bothered with other game drama and just mind their business with game they are focusing.
They were and still popular, getting healthy views without any dramas.
Imagine thinking content creators make or break a game xD brain rot at it's finest.
@@craigtrish2011Hmm, I type these comments on mobile and don't proof read much. I should have said it'd be the death of "Wuwa content creation sphere". My mistake. My brain is considered quite good though.
The game itself won't die because of the drama farming. I'm still playing the game. But I said what I said from my own experience as I have mostly stopped searching for Wuwa content on youtube. The first search result is almost always drama/react. The rest are mostly the usual names with the CC pvp, or gacha pvp drama.
If one is not a drama consumer, these content does nothing but discourage normal people looking for wuwa gameplay, fun, or actual info. Those people will just become disinterested.
I remember Saintontas was the man who prepetuated the rumors about hoyo trying to monopolize EN VA's back then when wuwa just released. He assumed that there was some sabotaging done by hoyo when wuwa first patch VA performance got criticised. When he got called out by the VA's themselves and other CC's, he backed out as if he didn't meant anything what he said.
The bad thing is, it still gives him plenty of exposure.
why is Jack in the Box so mad
Hey a wuwa enjoyer here, here’s the thing saintonats is using the wuwa hoyo controversy for subs and views, we don’t claim him to be wuwa representative, he’s manipulating hate to be on the algorithm. This is the truth. I used to play genshin, it’s story and lore is million times better than wuwa.every game has its pros and cons I just enjoy em.If anyone of you wants to watch kuro creator try KROW he’s good
Edit: i stopped playing genshin at fontaine… arlechino banner. My account is so irretrievable as its new (2024 started) . Yes genshin abyss combat character upgrade scaling is terrible on contrary everything i mentioned is better in wuwa. But i still stand to fact that wuwa main story is good but lore wise genshin is so deep and superior
The voice of reason 🙏 each game is good at different things and the players stay winning cuz we get more content 🔥🔥🔥
He just using drama for views lol. Tectone type of CC 😂
Why are you using "we" in that "we dont claim him"
Speak for yourself hoyoshill I played genshin for 4years+ and currently still playing it but wuwa is better I never skip a story in wuwa and in genshin the last companion story I played was ayaka
@@ulqshadow1096 people having a different opinion than me? what!!!?? impossible.
As a WuWa player, I really don't like that Saintontas is the face of the community. He constantly has fits like these that leave a bad name for the players, I wish he would just talk about things normally like a regular person instead of getting weird all the time
Saintontas said in this stream that he's a saint at taunting people, i think he's proud of that title too
WuWa is a good game, but i dont play it because if i want to play a game about dodging and parrying I'll just olay a souls game. And do you know whats good about souls games? They are not gacha gemes.
And lets be honest, WuWa isn't even a hard game. Of course it is harder than genshin, which isn't saying much, but it is not hard at all.
Bro, Play MGR and Lies of P. It's great.
Bro, play mgr and lies of p. It's great.
What is MGR?
@@eduardogc1404i think he meant pgr
@@eduardogc1404 metal gear rising i think
Vars is one of the most chills guys and he delivers objective facts whereas saintontas is just a guy who blew up for nothing and is now going rogue to continue being in the limelight
Not complete facts but vars is actually chill while sudden increase in fame made saintontas go berserk.
wish he made better videos and gave better game advice, of yet to see a good one
@kyotheman69 I'm a casual and i can relate with most of his takes. So I'd say he's targeting a good chunk of the community
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I think both kuro and hoyo games are good. All games with playerbases are good games, that’s why people play them, no matter the number.
Completely agree. The players, especially the hoyoshills and wuwabots in this case, are the ones ruining reputation for both games...
I wouldn't consider Raid Shadow Legends a good game, but to each their own.
I challenge you to copypaste this to League of Legends playerbase.
Genshills, Hoyoshills, Kurobot, Wuwabot, etc.... it doesn't matter...
both are dumb. this is just a video game. it's not a big deal, really.
they are all jpegs. why does that matter? seriously....
It's like the console war of the gacha games, they'd suck off these companies' workes/devs if given the chance
It's 3d not jpegs
and after an year one stands still and another disappears, it's not the first time tho
CCs reacting to Vars need to turn up his audio. We crank the volume to hear him whispering and then get blasted with 100 decibels reactions and youtube ads. Neutrally speaking, I don't want tinnitus.
Gacha CCs try not to start shit with each other challenge. They failed.
My biggest problem with wuwa and it's community is that they don't have their own identity
People also compared genshin to BOTW (genshin has definitely got some inspiration to be honest) but i'v never heard someone praise one of them by trashing the other
But I've also never heard someone praise wuwa for the sake of praising wuwa, it's always :
Wuwa is better than genshin, this aspect of wuwa is better than every single gatacha game, star rail is trash because wuwa is more generous
it's annoying that the so called fans have just glued wuwa's identity to genshin and other similar gacha games
This way it just feels like they are salty ex genshin players forcing themselves to like wuwa to spite genshin ans that's really unfortunate because i really like a lot of the aspects that wuwa has
(Gives me the same wibe as when Fortnite CCs were quiting to valorant (and warzone) because they were disatefied with it's direction and thought it would fall off , only for Fortnite to get even more hype and set new peak records and it valorant that massively fell off)
this puts it well, but I can see why. if everyone else compares you to genshim, it's natural to want to defend your game against those comparisons. Everyone sees the two games as in competetition.
True, being better than genshin your whole identity, makes it so genshin always doing something wrong and wuwa always right.
But that ain't the truth lol.
Its a sad situation. No one can enjoy the game they like while also not being labeled as hoyoshill/kurobot. There's always this constant pointless war between them. Gacha community is already hated enough as it is, now there is hate among the gacha community itself. 💀
because that's just how Wuwa is designed, they are at best doing what genshin players have been wanting to be added into the game, and not much more. on top of that they copy majority of genshin base mechanic and simply built on top of it, ie I see people say how generous Wuwa is with giving free "stuff" and no RNG on weapon banner etc, but remember, paid currency on Wuwa is the exact copy of Genshin and hell man it is expensive to get a limited 5*, why the heck do they even need to copy the 160 Astrites and 80 pity thing? They didn't even reuse PGR's summon system, they decide to use Genshin's even here 😂.
Are that not making most players recognize the glaring similarity on the first minutes of play? Things is designing a synergistic game system that players also easily accept take resources and it's very clear Wuthering Waves 1.0 is stretching the budget of Kurogames to their limit and they had to copy majority of Genshin's system just to get to any sort of starting point.
Yes it make transition from Genshin easier but it just get them stuck with the bad rep for the whole lifetime of the game i bet. If they want to break out of it they have to simply make a vastly different content from Genshin and they have not managed to do that yet.
That’s your perspective and the funny thing is, from my perspective it’s the Genshin players who are so glued and fixated on WuWa and who are the most sensitive about any success WuWa has. Like, it’s really evident when Genshin fans hack other gacha’s website telling their players to go off themselves and play Genshin
Wuwa's team building isn't that deep due to being limited to just 3 characters. There's nothing really wrong with it cause the systems in place work with that setup. Adding a 4th team member would probably mess up what Kuro put in place system wise.
Say Genshin has the same systems in place as WuWa, it may probably still work but it probably won't feel that optimal. However have WuWa's systems for HSR and it's impossible cause of the turn base nature of the game.
Vars makes decent points but they aren't taking into account what the developers put in the games system wise to compliment the team building.
I point to you ZZZ which also has 3 character team, where character have passives that are activated depending on the other teammates, which forces you to actually think about the teams you make and where you can't just put the best of each role like wuwa. And the game has a very similar playstyle to wuwa with a heavy focus on dodging and parrying, without having the safety from a healer because there is none (so far but with how the game is made there most likely won't be or it'll be a very limited heal)
@@nekonochesire6023 yeah try to pair the best of each role with each other.
and you somehow end up with jinshi without coord support for her forte
he literally said it's a fine game design, but knowing that this is a gacha game, it's is indeed counter intuitive, if every character slot literally competing with everybody, when people already found their playstyle and favorite character, then the only thing you can do to sell a new one is going to be powercreep, as there is nothing you can sell beside that. compare that to genshin, every team require different character and every character provide different benefit for the team, even char that literally work the same like yelan and xinq provide different benefit (more buff or damage reduction+stagger res) and depending on the teammate, these mechanic provide better benefit way more than the other. not to mention that making a new unique thing require a lot of thoughts hence why there is more theory chrafter in genshin
here just a fun fact that TC found on team building, bloom core can be triggered by electro swirl damage, which mean that you can replace raiden and kuki with sucrose as hyperbloom trigger whil getting her huge EM and res shred buff on hyperbloom team, this character interaction is definitly not intentional by the developer is what wuwa lack, and they can still achieve without something as complex as elemental reaction
@@zard2341 thats because wuwa theroy crafting is based on how to play the characters instead cause every character kit is more nuanced.
Where in genshin most of the fight is won om the menu before You enter it
@@iransilva5857 Ok but Jinhsi is an exception, not the rule. Also no wtf are you on ? Genshin fights aren't decided before just by picking a team, that's HSR that does that, Genshin is still an action game that needs a semblance of skill to be played, at least to not get killed against the hard hitting mobs.
i love how the Genshin Community is always blasted for your inability to be critical of the game. While the Wuwa community is now even scarier than the genshin community if you say anything about this game. Such hypocrisy.
Let's not let one guy dictate the status of the wuwa community
@@owl_uwu1297 you have clearly never seen a kuro bot in your life.
@@owl_uwu1297 it's not really my opinion tho. u can see it through the video, the most minor criticism, is followed with how badly it's going to be received. I seen it with Captain Cabinetz and many others too. Not to mention my own experience.
@@anheld8726 Don't get me wrong I appreciate your own opinion and experience, but claiming anything is fact so simply is not my favorite. There is always nuance, and labeling things as one way or the other just adds fuel to the fire.
I'd argue that both communities simply have outrageously vocal minorities. I don't think it is, nor should be framed as a competition for which one is worse. It's just two communities clashing, nothing new.
It's simply exaggerated and exacerbated by the fact that everyone talks about it, probably because there isn't as much to talk about in the gacha space generally speaking.
The Wuwa community are like the last child.. They can do whatever they want and be shielded when they victimize themselves after being confronted
2 people trying to fill the void between updates. Very brave.
this shit is so funny bc vars doesn’t even use his own gameplay clips for his videos 💀
Take this as a grain good stuff as this is only based on my opinion and experience
There's a couple why wuwa team building is kinda problematic
1) The game isn't out long enough to have a flexible team to play with as wuwa pretty much only have each limited dps on each element
2) This is based on my experience, i've seen 2 side of my friends which 1 side was a genshin player and the other side is not, while my friend who plays genshin already comfy with genshin team building which he said himself is easier cuz theres way more character in the game, and elemental reaction made the game literally 0 difficulty, he was a whale and already stop spending as much and even clearing abyss with goofy teams, while my other friend who didn't played genshin before he just suck it up cuz he's not accustomed to how genshin team building and gameplay, so basicly its a "mental issue" in some way
3) People don't realize that not every characters works with eachother but that doesn't mean they doesn't work at all (well some are not meant to be in a team together but some are usable), and team building doesn't have to be perfect, there's a lot of team comp outside the yt space or any comps from creator that work just fine if u take ur time to read and test them out (do this only if u have free time)
and also yes, i agree element are dookie on wuwa 💀, like at least give us elemental effect ☹☹
I hope Saint going after every CC that talking about wuwa and made them quit wuwa
The less CC talking about that game the better
Saint is pushing everyone away from wuwa include CC and player
The fanbase already kinda did that anyway
Not really.
Who the heck is this sainttoetas dude?
no one if you only play hoyo games
i@@dalhaval283 if i play Team Fortress 2, is he still no one? 🙂
@@dalhaval283I think he made hoyo content which is why he hates it, it's crazy when people hate games so much they can't understand why people like it though
@@deskminigaming8056he's no one if you dont specifically play wuwa while hating hoyo games 😂
A guy that tried calling out hoyo VAs for not voicing in wuwa but got fact checked by everyone including kuro
The guy is a huge looser
cant wait for kuro games to address vars' concern abt the element system and see how saintontas gonna glaze that shit to the moon.
the guy in the video is not wrong when you think about logically wuwa is a no brainer hack and slash where other require strat
nice bait
Just play what game you like. CCs just love to yap, no exception.
_Wuwa doing something slightly better among other gacha games_
Kurobot: "OMG it's our GOD. Best game of history no debate. Wuwa story >>>>>> Any stories out there because it has skip button"
Like we acting like the 20 free characters wasn't cause it has a bad start(ig oring that said standard banner units already kinda bad and there's barely been any new characters) it's crazy that someone is able to tunnel vision so hard just cause they disliked hoyo
WuWa player: Skip button = Good story
@@thisusernameisamazing4184it defenetly was becouse the devs messed up badly and it was damage control
What turned me off from the game tho was the playerbase acting like it wasnt and that the devs gave them away becouse of goodness
@thisusernameisamazing4184 Okay so here's the deal, you say damage control I can understand that, but what about the other two banners? The beginner banner? That was free, the second beginner banner? It's not just a free character that makes the game good, it's the generosity. Not to mention each patch gives more than enough pulls for a 5 star with better rate up in the banners and obviously 100% in weapon banners.
It's understandable that some people wanna undermine Kuro for what they are doing but what they are doing is actually good. Can't you guys see that?
@@skyzell5029 hoyo players: 12 hours yapping = God teir story
Saintontas has be the in competition with box2 for stupidest CC and im afraid he is going tho dethrone him very soon
Explain
@he918 Saintontasfrom his arguments and the way he talks. It could be he is extremely disigenous or literally struggles to understand english language.
@@he918 both cc have content built 90% out of brainrot and screaming to keep the children watching while also having the worst possible takes
@@he918 he won't. It's like the usual chatters calling the streamer "wrong" but cannot develop an argument
@@Smilehp7TRUE
As much as I disagree with VARS on a ALOT of his previous takes, I kinda agree with him on this one.
See, Pokke did give a good point that the game does emphasizes on player skill and that it *kinda* alleviates into horizontal investment since you basically can use anyone on anything, however, it can also be interpreted as "basically nobody matters, just their numbers". Zajeff (a Genshin Theorycrafter), also pointed that out back when Wuwa was released.
Like, imagine how they would sell a new character that does a certain role that is already taken by another LIMITED banner unit. There is only one answer: POWERCREEP.
And no, if you are coping that it will never happen, sorry but the truth is it's already happening, way back when Rover got their Havoc version.
That said, Wuwa is treading a very fragile ground by using a basic typing system. Pray that they don't break the balance of the game too early.
Agree Vars didnt even say the gameplay is bad or heck he doesnt even critique it, he just saying wuwa can add more without ruinign the core experience, rn the element feels like an afterthought and team building feels very restrictive, you can disagree of course, but people like saintontas and the community are doing this mental gymnastic to feel superior about wuwa, I personally think this is why we are getting less and less CC covering the game with how gatekeeping/brigading the community is toward someone for voicing their opinion.
Well of course they must powercreep rover because it's free characters.
imo, wuwa selling point is not just big number with new character that powercreep the old one, its also inculde characters playstyle, design, etc.
i just hope that they didnt powercreep too much with their new characters and came up with new idea to selling their new characters, because i prefer wuwa to be one focused characters unlike genshin who is more focused on team based playstyle.
but doesnt mean that i dislike genshin. i play them both
fym happen back then even on 1.0? for the last 6 month, there has been no significant powercrept for dps. just "this guy do something different than this guy".
jinhsi, xly, camellya and jiyan all did around the same dps, its just playstyle that is different.
you are right about "nobody matters, only numbers" IF this was genshin because genshin doesnt have the same combat like wuwa. wuwa could just make a new character with better moveset animation and it will still sell. look at carlotta leaks, we dont know numbers but the moveset are so good that it makes people want to pull, and this is gonna continue happen for the next years.
Bro used Zajef as a good example💀
@@Gheniel_i don't watch him anymore but are you saying this because you actually think what he says is wrong or because you don't like his personality?? thats really important.. if his personality is not likable that wouldn't change he is in the right (IF he is) and viceversa.
I don't know what is his take so i can't say if he is wrong or right but i just wanted to say this.
Starting to lose respect for pokke. Dude is just farming, its lame
It ain't that deep
Always has been.
i mean every CC gacha need to keep intetesting otherwise everybody is just sitting around waiting for new update for every gacha they make content with.
this is the video that pissed them all off? why? vars had me convinced that i should play wuwa because his "problems" are major bonuses for me😂
Saintontass: Don’t bully my indie game backed by one of the wealthiest companies in the world! 🤓
The toxic Wuwa community at it again.. Sucks for the OG Kuro fans that had to adopt these clowns
yes the wuwa community is actually the genshit community in 1.x and now happening to 1.x wuwa holy shit
Nope. Cope ha4d
@@sdsdsaasdsadasdasd I see "cope hard" from a man who glazes Wuwa literally under every video. You are the most important example of this garbage community
@broccoli5176 go stand in the corner and cry about what I did to yomom clown
Hoyofandom coping hard 😂
@@sdsdsaasdsadasdasdyes it is just do more searching dude
As a person who's played almost all famous gacha games, just enjoy the game you like, and don't hate the others. Hating doesn't make your fav game better, it worsen your own community.
At this rate, Kuro might as well add Saint as a playable character in Wuwa who is gonna scream "GENSHIN KI L L A" when casting his ultimate.
Edit:
Resonance liberation= Pope Tontas The Saint Has Spoken
Energy requirement= 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
And hoyo should add you lil arthy the tear wiper 😂
@joemahoma You should be added as a Uranusworshipper.
@@arthurgeier2545 nah that should be you cause yours is over used by da Wei and Cai haoyu 🤣
@@joemahoma Whenever Kurobots try to be funny, it is not funny.
Your "joke" came out of Uranus.
@@joemahoma That "joke" came out of Uranus.
Like I said before...
Kurobots right now is in the insufferable phase, the exact same thing Mintpicker do 3 years ago.
They're becoming the very thing they hate lmao
Nothing beats hoyo toxicity. Keep coping
@@GungftghDinmjnnhn-n4fnice joke😂
@@lemmediepeacefullynice joke
@@lewsee5562hoyobot coping lol
the Wuwa comunity trying to take over Genshin fans' title of being the most toxic fanbase is hilarious lol.
Hoyo community will always be the most toxic. Hilarious how clowns think otherwise lol
Hoyocommunity is garbage. Relax kiddo
Not when Hoyo fans have sent death threats to the devs lol. Nothing worst than that.
@@redlove8861that normal when ur game take over the world
@@GungftghDinmjnnhn-n4f seems like rexconnor dog made another alt 😂😂😂 4 days ago 😂😂😂
If Saintontas is the representative of all Kurobots then it's understandable as to why Wuwa community is absolutely dogsht
are we going to say this and forget every single hoyo community? i mean on GI you can't even say something bad or good about hoyo themselves or the game itself because you get hate either way.
@@yes12356I did not deny that the Hoyo community was also bad but the WuWa community was slowly going in that direction too despite being so chill at the beginning
bruh thats like saying the twitter mobs are representative of Hoyoverse community
@@yes12356the problem is that it's becoming as bad while being 1/100 the size
@@muhammadkhairulhaziq2905I mean Twitter is a different breed of human, Twitter basically a parasite to every game in existence
Number 1 Hoyobots yellow man strike again?
MorePegasus ahh thumbnail 😭😭
16:35 I mean, IS HE WRONG????
I don't know what happening but can somebody explain what's going on 💀
basically vars made a hot take video saying some wuthering waves mechanics are "half-baked", and he pointed out how the elements literally dont do anything except to avoid dmg resistance, and the team building aspect serves no purpose when the character kits oriented for solo play. then comes in saintontas who shits on every frame of the video for his gameplay footage, editing, and every words vars uttered, almost had a meltdown from it to boot.
Average hoyoshill vs least agitated kurobot
Why i think Saintontass intonation and words is like Box2 , i that you Box2 ?
Tldr; enjoy what you enjoy. Idk about y'all but I'm having a hard time choosing which character to pull with my limited pulls in wuwa. Though, I'm not as pressuresed to pull for characters as much as in genshin and hsr.
In hsr, I didn't know how life changing it was to have adventurine in my Acheron team. Same as genshin with zhongli.
I feel like people just don't understand Vars video, he's not shitting all over Wuwa, he's just pointing out an aspect of the game that he feels could be worked on. There is absolutely no reason to crash out over that video
Wuthering waves is only 6 months but already at version 2.0. That's funny 😂
Grow up lol not every gatcha hazs to follow hoyos release cycle you know
Saint and his Minions needs to be stopped 😂
Vars is the one that created the dogwater use 5 piece healing on sub dps nonsense in wuwa. And it was posted on pry with credit towards him. I can see why the jack in the box guy is mad at this guy. He should stick to genshin as that’s how he got big and what I watch him for but man his wuwa takes are so bad.
So the drama is over in-game piece?
@ the drama is wild, but no I guess it’s one thing but generally speaking I think it’s overreacting.
wuwa has a problem in gacha system i faced some days ago , i did not get any 4* character in 10 pulls for second time . mr pokke please help me. what shoud i do in this case.
Gonna be honest WuWa was my first gacha game I adored the FEEL of combat and mechanics however TEAM BUILDING and info within the game is AWFUL. It took till 1.3 to add descriptions in game for each character however even with that the descriptors without deep understanding and terms used make no sense without googling it. WHICH DEFEATS THE INFO BEING IN GAME. I have played HSR, ZZZ and Girls Frontline 2 after and ALL THE OTHERS are very clear on wtf everyone IS role wise. Which means I can start to grasp the VERY BASICS for team building as I go. It's embarrassing in 2024 and Vars is absolutely correct imo.
da fuq were you looking at? i started like 3 days ago and its actually pretty easy to tell in the game menus
About that... That's only a problem if you don't read everything honestly...
The game add every single details in game without needing guides. You can even find every resources in game menus by just click "Where to find it"
?? That’s why there’s a tutorial for every character, you see it at the very bottom right corner, just click the gray button and they will open a tutorial
skill issue
@@TieflingUnshackled Instead of wuwa play PGR!! Although it’s not a well known game, it’s worth the try.
Sometimes you need to complain so that that the problem is addressed. People think glazing is going to solve issues to this day. If there's something wrong, complain. Don't be a kurobot/hoyoshill whatever. Just call out your game's problems if you want it to improve.
holy shit vars in drama???
We are at war currently. Anything and everything is drama
34:10 uum, azur lane? doesn't go that ham on the teambuilding? been way too long since i last played
26:55 slightly correction here, we compare fexiao's teams vs acheron's teams 😊
Love how all these hoyo creators are going against one guy who says the truth about wuwa and other games which the hoyo creators themselves can't admit.
They already did wdym
Pokke=hoyo creator 😂
Bro want so bad to made narration that their game getting attacked by hoyo creator.
But in reality zero hoyo creator mentioning wuwa in their video 🤣🤣
I mean....... They're different games?
Shit aint that deep, bro said team building have problem in Wuwa but he also said you can pick any character you want to and make it work. What? Where is the problem lmao. So by having no problem is the problem in itself? Bro is cooking
That video was spitting facts can't beleive it's getting hate. First the gacha cast now hating on a video that was spitting, santotas is never beating the kuro shill alligations
Hes not trying to beat the alegations, he is embracing them💀
@@ranger2325 oh shoot
Tbh it's always better to have a nuanced take of your own and watch the actual community response to it, in this case it's not to run it by Saint or Pokke, watch Vars video and watch that video's comments. There you'll find most people respectfully disagree with proper reason and discussion, and not used for drama bait like every other cc trying to do right now.
vars being the one to neutrally deconstruct the illusion kurobots are selling that wuwa is some magical combat game and has character nuances that are leagues above competitors.
everyone should know wuwa has leftovers from a scrapped elemental-reaction system similar to genshin's. hopefully they can work toward team mechanics more to add more interesting greater-scope feedback systems. i agree when vars says wuwa focused too much on how the individual characters play instead of the overall team archetypes
35:17 bro watching shorts chronically
The guy is becoming so unhinged on edge psychopath that we are almost forgetting how already unhinged bald cc and smacky is.
This is the most blatant drama instigation I've seen in the gacha space in recent times. I'm all for it, lots of Vars vids are filled with misinfo. What I'm not all for is pretending that you're neutral and not instigating drama.
this dude is Iyo 2.0. He can't admit to his own mistakes and will shit on every chatter that doesn't grapefruit wuwa
a 4 years game like Genshin still living rent free in so many people is kinda insane, even we going to 2025, people still need new gacha to be called "Genshin Killer", why not "Wuwa Killer" i though they are the new Gacha King and the no 1 game in the world right now?
AND why kurobot now acting way worse than Hoyoshill, bro Genshin fans in TGA Twitter are silent, but my god Kurobot just like begging everyone to play their game or even go to other games that not gacha on same catagory and say something bad to them, like why...
@ but it just a disrespect to wuwa who overthrew genshin, like its just give genshin more exposure….
@@MiracleGamesGG overthrew genshin in what way? wuwa is a great game, better than genshin even. But it's popularity does not match their gameplay. i would say the game that's dominating the gacha sphere is probably hsr.
@@MiracleGamesGG overthrew in what? They are not coming in close in any metric possible. Genshin has 65 milion players monthly. Revenue is not even close, popularity is not even close, google trends are not even close, downloads per game are not even close. Overthrew in what? Maybe in hating online, thats absolutely true. Kuro glazers are everywhere now.
@@lumaw152 wouldn't even say hsr. I do think 3.0 would do better bit penacony last patches were ugh. Not to mention the powercreep getting out of hand (aventurine and acheron first rerun flopped in CN peaked at 22)
I think gacha games in general are on a decline tbh. Esp in CN.
Personally i activelt try to Avoid Vars content. His videos always touch topics on surface level without deeper understanding of any of them. For example his take about combat - technically he is right. As long as unit parries and do enough damage it's good to go. But completely is ognorant how the same comabt system makes wuwa flexible. How often we were seeing characters jumping between roles, working perfectly in 2 if not all three, that sometimes solo characters are viable etc. And those surface understanding don't stop on wuwa, it is the same level in genshin, honkai or league videos.
pretty sure he mentioned it makes characters flexible, and enables solo combat.
@@randomNumber248 yeah he mentioned it. His videos are well put together and scripted in a long format so when people keep pausing every 20 seconds no wonder they will miss out on his points. I wont talk about Saint since he hardly even listened to the video and went on his own.
But regarding Pokke like half of the video was vars making a point> Pokke pausing to make Saint joke > Pokke giving a bit of his piece regarding whats missing in the take> unpause > 2 seconds later Vars already adressing the missing point. While Pokke at least watched the video he could see his points while Saint was just about burning the man alive.
He's not really ignorant to those, he brings up how flexible the game's combat is and how it is not really tied down to 'optimal' teams. He directly mentions soloing with characters while including footage of Danjin soloing a boss, he distinguishes between hypercarry and quickswap play styles. He also acknowledges the variety of universal mechanics in WuWa that enable most (if not all ) characters and team comps to be viable. Again, even if he doesn't play the game, he knows enough to make the claims he is making.
Nah based on vars track records (past videos), I think his takes are good and more believable than most yt comments
@kingsimba9513 why are you chickening out?
Not a big fan of saint's screaming but this vars video was insanely bad and filled with contradictions and blatant misinformation
The impeccable timing of me downloading Wuwa just yesterday and this goes on the front of my feed
Delete it, trust me you will be happier. I play League and genshin but wuwa Community is the worste have ever met. They are a creepy cult and the game is not that good anyway
@@sakutaro3musik486The game is ight but the community is ass
@@sakutaro3musik486stay in ur lane filthybot of hoyotrashgames
@sakutaro3musik486 Hoyo games aren't good at all and they have a creepycult. Delete the games
If you like combat, you will stay longer. That's the only thing i will say since the other are objective for you. Don't listen this cc and this chat tho. Well most importantly any cc and chat. They are all braindead.
Vars voice is great but I can't stand how boring his videos are
been playing gacha games for many years and many games and have never seen such a disgusting fanbase as the wuwa one. and i even liked the game, i spent money for yinlin, jinhsi, changli and their signatures, but the community just made me quit the game. for example i commented on insta on the reveal of xiangli yao that i personally dont like his design but i am open to see how he will look and play ingame (this were literally my words i didnt say he looks like shit or something) and got over a hundred hate comments, multiple hate dms with 2 including death threats and 3 saying i should k*ll myself. and this is just the tip of the iceberg. i think one fun part of these games is the communication in the community but this community consists to 90% of glazing the f out of the same things over and over or brigading people that dont glaze the same things and dare to critize their game
with all due respect, the HoYoverse games community is way worse. I have gotten people almost leaking my IP address just because i liked a certain character. I mean, how more low can we go from that? flaming on one community and then leaving the other one out when it has the same issues is just not okay.
@@yes12356 because maybe he doesn't play the other games?
lol goodbye bozo.
Nice job lying, hoyo clown
was this character mayhaps a child @@yes12356
This is why I really don't like WuWa, even though I play the game myself and am already at union level 80 now, but I really hate the community which is too much noisy in every social media, I even blocked that tontas guy...smh
From my understanding u hate the community, but the community is not a part of the game itself. Or at least the development of the game itself can do without the toxicity, so I’m not sure how it lines up
@@samhi2906 whether you like it or not community is a part of the game. It's part of the experience. that's why so many ppl are turn off by the likes of MHA.
@@lumaw152 yeah i agree, this is pretty much what i feel, when you want to see the update or news about this game, there will always be people who are always arguing with other community... this will only worsen the public's view of the wuwa
@@lumaw152 I quite frankly disagree. I can enjoy a game without interacting with the community, even though the enjoyment itself would likely draw me to a community that shares the same sentiment. But those r mutual exclusive events. As I have stated, the development of the game(or at least the current version) is likely not driven by the toxic community, therefore I treat them differently. If u regard the community as a necessity to experience a game, which is received by mostly subjective opinions, eventually u would hate every game simply because of the bad eggs. I am more interested to know how ppl would define a game, which was the reason why I made the previous comment
@@samhi2906 you can ignore the community but that doesn't mean it isn't a part of the game. just like you can ignore the microtransactions, non-existance end game but that doesn't mean they aren't real. the problems don't go away just because you choose to ignore them. if the community behave badly, that will leave a negative reaction on a normal player.
Whats the joke behind Nahida being called Ksante?
Lesser Lord "Kusanali" > Lesser Lord Ksante (he had terminal league brainrot)
bro pls translate what he said at 23:17
Lets go baby pookie just posted something about wuwa drama is coming
Bro if they stuck at the game tough luck, don’t judge if they play like shit in your eyes they are enjoying the game
Just wait for mugan and nte fandom reach its glory 😂
Wuwa has the best story - because you can skip it lol.
WuWa players: Skip button = Good story
THAT"S THE GREAT THING
@@skyzell5029to be fair a skip button means even if the story is underwhelming at times you can ignore it
@@heatlybeats1186 Gacha player is struggling to read. Nothing new
@@heatlybeats1186Maybe you learn spelling correctly first before throwing a punch buddy
I summon the RANK 1 HOYOSHILL MRPOKKE
From all the content that I've watched on vars I can say this with 💯 :
This guy is the definition of misinformation and he has done this not just in wuwa but even on genshin.
Do yourself a favor and don't try to follow his content.
I'm begging you 😂
What is the misinfo I keep hearing about?
Idk most of his videos are great.
@@sadcatto3 I keep seeing people claim that Vars spreads misinfo and when I ask for examples they point to certain statements taken out of context. The one that annoyed me the most are people claiming that Vars called Yangyang a healer, when what he really said was Yangyan has no specific universal buffs like healers or dedicated damage buffs like most sub-DPSs, which made her prone to be easily kicked out of the meta. It really feels off that people claim someone is spreading misinfo, then go on to spread misinfo about that person.
@@kport6219 yeah it's stupid when they're are the one's spreading misinfo. I would rather believe Vars take than random yt commenters online. He did a lot of this kind of video before this that covers other games too (heck he has three yt accounts)so it is safe to say he is well seasoned in this type of videos. But people blindly condemn him just because it's not 'praising wuwa'.
Even if this video is not about wuwa or genshin, his points still stands. What he said is logical.
I like vars since there are not many CCs that cover this kind of topic with others that come to mind is RedFlaim.
Gacha games are so drained of contents nowadays that the gacha community is having another pvp lmao
13:59
Is very normal for wuwa has mainstream build vertical investment because its still early games.
its still 1.x version, so im sure not many people can collect all character. its still the phase when they only 1,2, or 3 main character that well built.
is Genshin do the same?
Yes, and its even worse.
Im played genshin from 1.0 and that time mainstream build is vertical investment when 1 full build main dps and 2 support elemental to break shield or element apply, and 1 healer.
that time even its fine that you only leveled 1 character. its normal for people cleared abyss with 1 dps lv >80 and other just lv
As much as I like Vars, dude's looking to fight wuwa fans for sure. bro refuses to to use wuwa footage as much as possible while talking about the game
Did bro just say elemental reactions are more complicated then wuwa combat?
35:24 Outro song 🔥
End game in pokemon--meaning pvp--is much more complex than these gacha games
I love wuwa but i pretty much don't know how to play the game. I'm just button mashing.