The Forgotten Members of Seventeen
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.พ. 2024
- Seventeen was supposed to have a very different line-up originally! So what happened to the 4 members who ended up leaving the group prior to their debut?
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Minghao and Jeonghan were kinda the last one to joined SEVENTEEN so it's for the best because can you imagine SEVENTEEN without Jeonghan? I can't!
I can't imagine the group without any of them. so, they were destined to be this way with these members. ❤
Seventeen without Jeonghan feels so wrong 😭 They all love and depend on him A LOT in their daily life 😂
@@ZesaDone imagine cheol and shua as the parents 😭💀
can’t imagine seventeen without them
I can't imagine SEVENTEEN without any of them or with anyone else other than my 13 kings. Nope. No.
Samuel got me into kpop, it's so sad that he left, but i was more sadder that his father died after being killed by his friend, thank God that he's getting better and going to start singing again
i didnt know his father's friend killed him
@@cupcakeflower161 yeah both the father and his friend did car business together but the friend betrayed him and hired armed robbers to attack him
@@carolinadarwin9688WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK??? Thats actually crazy..
@@carolinadarwin9688and his parent are divorces his dad have another wife and a kid while his mom is already a single mom ...raising him.
@@Ppopsupporters wtf are you saying, his dad died, now he is living with his mum and sister
If Jang doyoon wouldn’t have left back then, he would’ve been the leader. Which is unimaginable for me. Scoups is a great leader, he loved the group so much that he didn’t leave even after such a long trainee period. I don’t want to criticise others it’s just that current Seventeen is beautiful.
Real plus do yoon seems like a real jerk. Saying svt would flop and whatnot.
@@Svtrighthere2019Really I didn't know that was he really a bad person?
omg I can't imagine scoups not being the leader
@@mintchoco-cx5syit's not true, it's false, lies, and stupid excuses to hate on him
@@Svtrighthere2019when did he say that, you can't prove anything
Kim Samuel's hair in that rap duo is WILD. Hope for the best for him, he's been through a lot.
How they got away with it 😂😂😂
Samuel is never forgotten, I feel bad that his mother didn’t allow him to debut with the rest of the boys but I get her he was very young at the time but at the same time she allowed him to be a trainee at that age. Samuel and the rest of seventeen are thankfully still friends, coups even went to see him during Produce 101 and they said that they are still in touch with each other. Samuel was doing great but he kinda shut off after what happened to his father. Hopefully he is happy and doing well
But it still threw me off because his mom suddenly let him debut in that duo? I thought he left because he is too young to debut in seventeen yet he still debut earlier than the boys. But of course his mom knows what's the best for him.
i can't imagine SEVENTEEN with other members or without the current members SEVENTEEN is SEVENTEEN ❤
true! only OT13
finding out one of my fav actor was supposed to debut in one of my fav groups is a whole new level of crazy
If doyoon is the actor you are talking abt since I didn’t watch this video let me tell you during predebut he was so popular among the members he thought svt will flop and he can be famous if he becomes an actor and then when he saw svt getting famous and his acting career flopped he auditioned to be idol and then failed and now hes behind bl dramas so he could get famous since bl is getting famous. If you are talking abt actor minkyu then its all good he was just training with svt members not a predebut member
samuel is an actor too
The happiness I saw Samuel have when Minghao and Jun reunited on that one chinese survival show was SO nice.
SVT was just destined to be OT13, i saw glimpses of the guys mentioned her in "The Green Room" but never got interested in any of them, and Samuel was just a fetus back then so its unthinkable he would've been allowed to debut so young
Shin Dongjin is currently a backup dancer for AB6IX. There are other rumours that he’s now a trainee under KQ Entertainment, the label that ATEEZ is under, apparently.
WOAH WHAT?!?! is this real??
Isn't he the one who had a relationship with a fan back then and gave personal infos about the members to that girl? or is it the other one?
@@Riririririz I think it was the other one but I'm not sure. I would be surprised that carats allowed him to get even one foot in the door to this industry if he had.
never mind it was dongjin
@@Riririririz
@@Riririririzwhat type of infos? bad?
The members were meant to be, that is Seventeen is Seventeen, good luck to the others who didn't make it, success will come to you if you work hard, have the talent and with a little bit of luck you need to be successful
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Wtf
@@gabsterella4377 I think this was never meant to be offensive. I also think the 13 members that we have right now are meant to be the SEVENTEEN. I can never imagine not having Jeonghan and Minghao as they were recruited later or can't imagine having another person aside from the 13 of them in the group.
You are an armycarat right? I expect no less from you guys. You bring toxicity everywhere and ruin other fandoms too. The way you speak ill about other people is definitely not something a carat does. Learn about carats please and be like them and then join us otherwise just be an army and listen to svt song. Don't call yourself a carat. A literal shame you guys bring everywhere you are
The relationship between Seventeen and Samuel is nust wholesome ✨🤍
Predebut members* . The title makes it seems like they left seventeen
Ikr
Nah, even just watching his photos that Doyoon wouldn't be a good leader for SVT and surely wouldn't be able to become the General leader of SVT and Carats. I'm glad that we have SVT with our 13 members, they are perfect and that's just a match made in heaven
I still feel really sad for Kim Samuel. He is really talented but didn't debut with seventeen, which made him not to be as popular as them. I am happy he may come back again, but it feels sad that he doesn't get the attention he deserves
Fr its kinda sad
I don’t think he would’ve been able to debut in the same group as seventeen anyways due to the age difference, he was wayyy to young back then, even Dino’s age was young enough to join the next group
I was just watching kim Samuel videos with seventeen just before this video 🤣
Us who never forgot our cutie baby samuel
Man time flies.. I was 13 years old back when I was watching the seventeen diary’s and remember those members. Now I’m 23 lol damn. But it’s been fun to see seventeen grow!
Ikr.. I was yesterday binge watching svt Tv and I was like tf it has already been 10 years😅
@@Doyourlessoniamwatchingyou right 🥹🥹
It’s been 9 years. They are forgotten bc they never were part of svt🤷🏻♀️
Now the title is very wrong. how are they “forgotten members of seventeen” when they were never official members of svt? They were just trainees who left. not members at all. the svt members became official members when they were given their rings.
Who'd have MingMing's luck? Can't say he didn't try but his idol career seems doomed.
And Seventeen has the perfect mix and number of members, so however they were formed, they got it right.
he don't do well in china?
@@cupcakeflower161 Just the run up to what he's doing now, all the shows and groups disbanding seemed to go wrong for him. I wish him luck in whatever he's doing now, but it's not been an easy path
Those Samuel 1Punch photos had be shook 😂. Who approved those things...
seventeen is 13. always, meant to be
I still have a soft spot for the boys, but it's hard to imagine svt any other way than the official 13. Also pledis training system might also have played a part. I remember some of the members talking about how harsh it was and only the trainees who could withstand it and stayed ended up debuting.
Seeing the reasons or the rumours behind the 4 leaving SVT, I'm glad they left... Or else I don't believe that they'd stay in the group for long even if they debuted. We all know that SEVENTEEN really struggled in their early years. I don't think the other 4 would thrive... (I included Samuel cause even if he was willing to struggle together with the members, his mum won't let him because he was too young)
agree, i know a lot of people like samuel even wished him can be part of svt as additional member, but no. cuz i cant imagine if dino isn't seventeen's maknae, like even tho he's not my ult bias but for me dino is the best maknae svt could have
Im watching dk recent reel and laughing continuously 😭😂
Me too 😂
Omg 😅😅😅
He’s such a mood 😭
as a fan of them since predebut, im just really satisfied with the current lineup of seventeen. samuel and mingming are the one that makes me feel regretful by their departure, thats why until now i still check them out occasionally. also i do need svt to make more diss track like wally or sukyo but nowdays they prefer to make it about themselves (which i also like)
i am happy that the members we have now r the members cause i couldnt picture anyone else in seventeen it would be so weird to see someone else as the leader
but gd luck on the three guys and we all know samuel so yh that my take
what pisses me off is the fact that samuel's mother pulled him out of pledis cuz he was "too young to debut" yet she let him debut before svt even did
She a mother of course she was going to support her child and when she realized that the company is shiitty she decided to get him back
I don't blame her
Its not a thing to get piss about.. Ohk i get it that we all were wishing him to debut but again being a trainee at 11 is completely different from being an idol at 11
I am not pissed off about that but the statement is hypocrisy. Too young to debut in seventeen so lets debut him even before seventeen. Shouldn't have just used that reason.
actually if you see the state of pledis at the time, its really reasonable if she pulled him out not to mention with that financial problem pledis insist to debut big group. like out of all the group with 10+ members that exist its only from big BIG company that success. its just she choosed bad agency that mistreat his own son :)
Even though they are no longer in Seventeen we can never forget them
girl who's we 💀
@@chanosaurus Me and my self and fellows😊
@@chanosauruslmao y’all are weird af, truly
@kai-ov6sb i'm the one who's weird or the people crying over so called 'members' who voluntarily left over 10 years ago. the 13 of them who did debut took a huge risk to be where they are today, faced so much by the company, spent years just waiting for the debut date in total uncertainty in a broke, mismanaged company. and the ones who didn't weren't forced to leave, no use crying over spilled milk.
no we don't
The things is at no time were there were 17 members. On left, one arrived, one left another arrived. It doesnt seem like there was ever going to be 17 members. Calling them forgotten members of seventeen is wrong then. Maybe "trainees that could have debut as seventeen".
Im glad we have the seventeen we see today. They started out rough but the hang tight and their hard works brought them to where they are now 🌹
Okay, let's take a moment to appreciate that these four individuals are not part of SVT. The dynamic among the 13 members is remarkable. Considering the hardships they endured during their trainee days, persevering through being relatively unknown or least popular idols for many years in S.Korea, yet consistently delivering hit songs and amazing choreos with each comeback, truly exemplifies their resilience.
This shows their unwavering dedication. If the other three (excl. Samuel) had debuted with Seventeen, they likely wouldn't have endured for long, and the group dynamic might not have been the same. As Shin PD mentioned, all 13 of them have worked tirelessly as idols, treating it not just as a fleeting step in the industry, but as a genuine career.
I can't imagine seventeen with more than my ot13
Seventeen was meant to be with 13 members, We cant imagine Seventeen without any 1 member..
Here's the thing, there was never a time in Seventeen's predebut history when they had 17 guys in the line up. They were called Seventeen since the moment they were announced and their show premiered as 17TV and at the time they were only 11 members. And since then, the line up changed 7-8 times and throughout all those changes there never was a single time when Seventeen actually had 17 members. In the end, they did have 4 guys who were part of the pre-debut line up at one point or another, making a total of 17 guys who were known to have been in consideration for the group, but again, never at the same time.
Honestly, people need to drop the whole "there used to be Seventeen but some left before debut" reasoning because it's not entirely true. Yes the 4 guys were part of their predebut history but they're not who made Seventeen who they are today. Seventeen debuted with 13 members, 3 units, as 1 team and to this day they are exactly that. The 13 members that we know ARE who made Seventeen. The fact that we're going in to the groups' 9th year and people are still bringing up the predebut members as if they are Seventeen, idk, it just feels unfair to the 13 guys who've worked hard to make a name out of Seventeen.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should erase Samuel, Mingming, Dongjin, and Doyoon from history or never talk about them, because they themselves deserve to do what they love and achieve their dreams too. Idk how to explain it, I just never seen people so fixated on a group's predebut line up and members the way they do with Seventeen. Like, people don't go around calling (G)Idle's Miyeon a "former BlackPink member" because she was part of the group predebut but ultimately didn't debut with them.
Well to be honest at that time Samuel was way too young, he was either 10 or 11 yrs old which made his mother pull him out but I do wonder what could have happened if Samuel did Debut in Seventeen
I still think the real reason is because she didn't think the group would be successful. Because he ended debuting somewhere else even before SVT debuted.
My biggest question: would dino still be seventeen’s punching ball ? 😂
this! Because pledis was almost bankrupt at that time, most people would think SVt won't be able to debut or even if they do, without much opportunity will become just one of the group of 100. That's the most plausible cause or why she would pull samuel saying he is too young to debut and then let him debut even before svt. @@13plus3plus1
I've always wondered if there is an agency policy that prevents former trainees from reapplying. Samuel did not debut with the group, so is it impossible for Pledis to take him back? And since Pledis is now under Hybe, can Samuel audition under any subsidiary companies like Pledis? So many questions...
Yes
Ikrr..hes still so young...he can join a good boy group...it will be the best for group as well as him.
the only person I would have liked to see in svt from these is samuel because he didn‘t leave on his own, he was just too young and I understand his mother eitger way to get him out there. I think some familys were already close at that time so Idk if taking him out had to do with pledis financial situation.
The oldest I didn‘t have sympathy for even before this video. He left, probably setting them back and leaving them betrayed as someone who was going to be their leader.
I always thought it was 13 members, 3 units and 1 group. = 17
That's the explanation after debut
Yes but it wasn't supposed to be like that at the first time
It always hard when your part of something bit you did make to the end
Jang Doyoon was one of the male leads in the very popular korean BL sing my crush
He is also the one who said svt would flop and he went to acting and flopped then auditioned again snd flopped now hes looking for popularity by acting in bl
@@svt_luv5334 well it worked didn't it? 🤷♀️ Gotta respect the grind
@@chibi-chan2194 it didn’t work that well tho it worked merely because bl is popular and some will even check out the floppiest bl just for fun
@@svt_luv5334 I mean what he said in the past isn't ok. Like what he said to Seventeen was rude. But like Seventeen has moved on and he has too so in my opinion we shouldn't stay hung up on it. Like not making excuses for what he said but still y'know? I hope he has learned from it and I hope he has grown as a person but he did a good job in sing my crush and y'know what if he became famous because of bl that's good for him 🤷♀️
@@chibi-chan2194 sweetie he was their leader and supposed to guide them and bring them together but being popular among the members got into his head that he left them imagine how svt would have felt when he said they will flop anyway yah whatever let him gain his long lost predebut popularity with his bl drama
I am thankful of the current seventeen members.
I'm not
i cant believe THIS is how i find out samuel is finally gonna have a comeback 😭 i've liked him ever since produce 101 and was so mad when he was rigged out of the final lineup! i followed his solo career all the way to 'one' and 'teenager', watched that one chinese show he was on with jun and the8, watched his drama, and then suddenly all of the drama with brave happened, his dad was murdered and it's been more or less quiet around him ever since 😭i cant believe hes finally coming back from the basement 😭
I feel so proud that it was samuel that got me into kpop and kdrama
Wow that's actually so interesting, I think in life we all can see moments like that when one different choice would had change our lives, I love to know about the lore of big groups like Seventeen it's always fascinating to me.
I've finally gotten peace. I always wondered why SVT don't have 17 members
Samuel is the only “supposed” member i can accept.❤
Wow! I just learned something new today. 😮
Don't need to think about what could have been because the seventeen we got is the best group, best lineup and best team. We love our 13+3+1=17
Love the members now, hope they will be together forever❤
Oh I knew few things but not in such detail!~
Kinda curious tho, did they get the wrong picture of TEMPEST here? I feel like they used the 2022 TEMPEST pictures here. Also the way they were mentioning Seungcheol and Jihoon being part of TEMPEST felt like they are mentioning totally different people and not S.Coups and Woozi haha.
Also random fun fact, I recently got to know that apparently Actor Kim Mingue had trained for like a month or so with Seventeen before he realized he is more interested in perusing acting I think.
Ya they used the wrong TEMPEST picture xD the TEMPEST in the photo is a whole other group that is unrelated to Pledis Boys. The original PLEDIS TEMPEST was S.Coups, Woozi, Doyoon and 2 other boys (Yoosang & Youngwon who left before 17TV aired)
It’s so weird cause I used like watching Samuels dramas and I didn’t even know what kpop was at the time. And now years later I like seventeen and just found out his ass was gonna be in seventeen.
If you're bl fan you would know who is jang doyoon. he's from "sing my crush" bl drama oh god i just came to know today tht he was about to debut with seventeen
It would be cool if seventeen have 17 members. But I think ot13 would be betther. (no hate)
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I am sorry if there is enything wrong. (spelling and writeing)
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No ur Defo right. One of these members was an asshole with svt and said they were gonna flop, and the other two are definitely not strong enough to stay with svt. Minus Samuel but svt wouldn’t be svt without being 13 so ig it’s good.
they are just really not meant to be a SEVENTEEN members, that's it.
The green room is just-
I became Samuel’s fan after I watched Produce 101 season 2 and Sweet Revenge season 1 series!❤ But I think the reason for Samuel is that Samuel was too young to debut with Seventeen at that time!
BTW I'm actually fan of Kim Samuel, I even watched his kdrama Revenge note 2, he's just wow!
I even watch his video now, he sings Justin songs so nicely! He looks so good, don't know why he's not famous
Love you ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Samuel
Mingming actually didn't left , he was removed by pledis out of Xenophobia , nd Jun was in the verge of being removed at that time too .
from what basis? Im genuinely curious. because The8, the person they replaced him with is also chinese
That's not true. MingMing left by himself, most trainees thought they won't debut after some point, which is understandable since Pledis was not a big company and was not that great in managing trainees and idols. If they had Xenophobia why would they select a Chinese member again?
Ok then what about actor Kim mingyu from buisness proposal he also revealed that he was trained with seventeen too
Lol yes i almost forgot about that
he also said that mingyu (the 187cm one) is his dongsaeng
he’s just one of the hundreds probably and then left early, the boys said there were a ton of trainees but a ton left fast as well because of how hard the training was
I really really admire Samuel!!
I hope Sameul gets the hype he deserves
Samuel was one of my favorite biracial idols. When I first learned that he is half-Mexican, I was happy to see a half latino representing themselves in the Kpop industry because I am one too, despite how racist and colorist some Koreans are towards the Latino community. He could try to have a Spanish music career and star in telenovelas if he wanted to, so he can represent himself in both industry, it might also boost up his success further.
There's no denial that pledis is a shitty company . Very great at sabotaging their own idols and also extremely poor management and security but they did a great job in assembling these 13 beautiful people . Seventeen is what seventeen made themselves . But the extreme psychological , physical hurdles fhey went through to prove themselves is really heartbreaking . The fact that after school , nuest , pristin all were monster rookies but had to disband because of their management sends chills down my spine.
The only member that will always have a place in Seventeen and Carat's hearts is Samuel. For everyone else (esp Doyoon) we don't care.
Why did you deleted that new video about GOT7 ? :)
(FYI I'm IGOT7)
not to be offensive but the group is perfect the way it is
Not to be offensive but no it's not
6:32 I was pretty sure I'd seen Jang Doyoon somewhere before and I realised he was the lead in the korean BL drama I've watched recently called 'Sing My Crush'
One of the former members, Jang Doyoon went to the acting path a few years ago but I dont know what happened now to the guy 😢
I heard that's he's doing the Korean version OF Snl
After watching NaNa tour, I learned that learning Korean traditional dances made lot of trainees left pledis..
6:53 Who are these people though? 😅 I think you got the wrong Tempest group. 😅
Lol fr
Imagine dino not being the maknae
Uhh I think you used a picture of present Yuehua Tempest and not Pledis Tempest 😅
Jang doyoon is also lead from sing my crush bl
it was kinda hard not seeing samuel debut into Seventeen because of his young age but it was for the best
It's time for everyone to stop talking about it fr. Every year I see new video from the same channel on the same topic.. 17=13 that's it.
I really proud to be carat for along time 😊
OG KPop fans still remember when the news came out that Pledis plans to form a group that is similar to SJ.. SJ was a 13 member boy group then Henry and Zhou Mi came in and was part of the SJ sub-group SJ-M, thus making them 15-member boy group.. Pledis trying to make it as a 17 member boy group. But hey, SVT is now one of the hottest idol group..
My precious Samuel❤️
Seventeen member’s future was really blurry back then… these 13 boys were destined to be tgt. Aside from Samuel, I’ve only heard the other trainees during Nu’est debut and Happy Pledis but then why do I feel like those who didn’t make it was quite problematic??
I love svt so much
Me too
I said this and I was told I was wrong. I knew there was supposed to be 17 members lol
Baby Samuel left the group since he was too young 😢 watching their pre debut seventeen member babying him it hurts they could've been together but I understand the mother choice😢
Doyoon was actually in a BL last year (Sing My Crush) as one of the main roles. (Which if you haven't seen it I recommend it).
I would rather not support a loser who wished that svt would flop.
@@Svtrighthere2019 as someone who ults seventeen and didn’t know him until this show it wasn’t that big of a deal to me. I enjoyed the show, so I figured I’d recommend it 🤷🏻♀️ (also calling people “losers” is kind of childish we should be adults)
@@arcadeamber ahhh yes thank you for being an adult and I’ll stick to being childish and continue supporting svt while not supporting someone who shit on svt for absolutely no reason.
Kim would have been a perfect mix with them I hate he didn't proceed but it wasn't him he was definitely still under parents jurisdiction lol
Im eating steak right now
LMFAO, nice knowing this ily
It better not be well done
Im watching dk reel
@@NailujGAgreed 😂
I have no idea why i think such things But isn't 17 members To much and Then we have nct with 26 yeah i nearly lost my mind when i found out how many members nct has
omggg punch made that epic song for a kdrama
Samuel is back this 2024❤
AND now we know, 17 is supposed to be 13.
I thought Minghao and Mingming has met before that show because before they join 17TV members have training sessions so they have met at the moment . and Hao was the fan of 17TV, so he knew Mingming.
I know the 4 of them.. and i know that Carat just can accept Miming and Samuel as 17' brothers...
I kinda don't like the other 2 except for Samuel and Mingming. Those two got on my bad side when I heard about what they did/said. :/
But still, I can't imagine SEVENTEEN without the 13 members or with anyone else aside from the 13 of them. TT^TT It was meant to be. I wish the others well tho, especially Samuel and Mingming, and may they reach their dreams.
Don't believe in those stupid false rumors, they never said nor did anything, and also I can imagine, it's not meant to be
@@Miist3rDuce1 are you a carat or not. Because if you are, that’s sickening.
The title is so wrong lmao.They weren't even the members of the group to begin wtih and calling them "forgotten members" is just so funny.
IDK but it's just my take on Seventeen like it is made of people who stayed until the end. Even after knowing the fact that the company was on the verge of bankruptcy, they stayed for their dreams and worked hard together to achieve them without much help from company so I feel the OT13 members are the ones who were destined to be together.
P.S I cannot imagine Seventeen without Hao and Hannie, always OT13! Samuel has my heart and wish others too the best of luck.
Samuel ❤
And I always ask myself why is seventeen named seventeen but they have 13 members only
When I heard that boy group survival show Boys Planet is coming I expect Samuel will compete because I will spend all my votes to him.😔
OT13 ❤
Samuel was just a trainee.. Seventeen was destined to be just 13.. I Cant imagine Dino to be Hyung haha hes the only Maknae of Seventeen. No one else.
I think that if Samuel in this group how happy Dino are???😂😂😂
Where is samuel now?